Title: Coronavirus Facts
Post by: Anonymous on May 30, 2020, 02:00:28 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 30, 2020, 02:00:28 PM
If you were told that 43% of the COVID-19 deaths were from 0.6% of the population, would that surprise you? Those are the results from a recent study which indicates that 43% of coronavirus deaths in the U.S. are from the 0.6% of the population living in assisted living facilities.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Facts
Post by: Anonymous on May 30, 2020, 02:32:54 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 30, 2020, 02:32:54 PM
The average age of those that have died is eighty three....the average Albertan lives to be eighty two.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Facts
Post by: Anonymous on May 30, 2020, 03:04:41 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 30, 2020, 03:04:41 PM
No new infections in forty days and schools and businesses are open.
But there's one overlooked success story -- Vietnam. The country of 97 million people has not reported a single coronavirus-related death and on Saturday had just 328 confirmed cases, despite its long border with China and the millions of Chinese visitors it receives each year.
This is all the more remarkable considering Vietnam is a low-middle income country with a much less-advanced healthcare system than others in the region. It only has 8 doctors for every 10,000 people, a third of the ratio in South Korea, according to the World Bank.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Facts
Post by: Anonymous on May 30, 2020, 07:10:31 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 30, 2020, 07:10:31 PM
Title: Re: Coronavirus Facts
Post by: Anonymous on May 30, 2020, 07:42:15 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 30, 2020, 07:42:15 PM
We have no way of knowing the death rate from the coronavirus since we don't know how many people are infected.
I know you believe Ontario's infection numbers are much higher than what is reported.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Facts
Post by: Anonymous on May 30, 2020, 08:30:21 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 30, 2020, 08:30:21 PM
Title: Re: Coronavirus Facts
Post by: Anonymous on May 31, 2020, 01:32:50 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 31, 2020, 01:32:50 PM
About 1 in 100 young adults has been hospitalized as a result of catching the virus. The death rate for young adults in Alberta who tested positive is about .04 per cent. The death rate for young adults is lower than seasonal flu even before taking into account that many people have it and have not been tested because they're asymptomatic.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Facts
Post by: Anonymous on May 31, 2020, 03:37:12 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 31, 2020, 03:37:12 PM
Of the 7,000 cases of COVID in this province, 16 people between the ages of 10 and 30 were hospitalized. One died, as a result of complications from other causes.
About 1 in 100 young adults has been hospitalized as a result of catching the virus. The death rate for young adults in Alberta who tested positive is about .04 per cent. The death rate for young adults is lower than seasonal flu even before taking into account that many people have it and have not been tested because they're asymptomatic.
There is one case of Kawasaki disease they think is related to the coronavirus..
But, it's treatable.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Facts
Post by: Anonymous on May 31, 2020, 06:10:32 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 31, 2020, 06:10:32 PM
Of the 7,000 cases of COVID in this province, 16 people between the ages of 10 and 30 were hospitalized. One died, as a result of complications from other causes.
About 1 in 100 young adults has been hospitalized as a result of catching the virus. The death rate for young adults in Alberta who tested positive is about .04 per cent. The death rate for young adults is lower than seasonal flu even before taking into account that many people have it and have not been tested because they're asymptomatic.
I would imagine our numbers in Saskatchewan would be similar.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Facts
Post by: Anonymous on June 09, 2020, 07:08:56 PM
Post by: Anonymous on June 09, 2020, 07:08:56 PM
Title: Re: Coronavirus Facts
Post by: Anonymous on June 10, 2020, 11:12:55 PM
Post by: Anonymous on June 10, 2020, 11:12:55 PM
Title: Re: Coronavirus Facts
Post by: Anonymous on June 10, 2020, 11:39:18 PM
Post by: Anonymous on June 10, 2020, 11:39:18 PM
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Title: Re: Coronavirus Facts
Post by: Anonymous on June 11, 2020, 10:38:39 PM
Post by: Anonymous on June 11, 2020, 10:38:39 PM
Title: Re: Coronavirus Facts
Post by: cc on June 11, 2020, 10:56:30 PM
Post by: cc on June 11, 2020, 10:56:30 PM
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Title: Re: Coronavirus Facts
Post by: Anonymous on June 14, 2020, 11:43:29 AM
Post by: Anonymous on June 14, 2020, 11:43:29 AM
Title: Re: Coronavirus Facts
Post by: Anonymous on June 14, 2020, 01:19:38 PM
Post by: Anonymous on June 14, 2020, 01:19:38 PM
On June 4, Politico — not exactly a hotbed of right-wingers — noted the new emphasis, headlining its story, "Suddenly, Public Health Officials Say Social Justice Matters More Than Social Distance." As the article put it, the new party line is "confounding to many who spent the spring strictly isolated on the advice of health officials, only to hear that the need might not be so absolute after all."
And yes, that reminds me — as you might recall as well — that in between the preoccupation with the "r" word, racism, there was the preoccupation of the "l" word, lockdown. Yes, from February to late May, Big Public Health had a prescription for the rest of us: put the economy in a coma.
It took a while to figure out that shutting down the jobs of working people wasn't such a good idea, when few of them were jeopardized by the virus. At the same time, moving COVID-19 carriers out of hospitals and into nursing homes was a really bad idea — because the elderly were, and are, highly jeopardized. That's why 80% of COVID-19 deaths have been among those 65 and older.
Yet as we all know, the public-health authorities and the politicians who have listened to them chose to dig in their heels, sticking with an obviously catastrophic lockdown policy. Why? Perhaps because the "experts" were stubbornly attached to their mental paradigm. Or perhaps because they just don't care much about what happens to Middle America — and maybe they even take delight in sticking it to those who might be "racist."
In fact, lockdown was the public-health party-line until the May 25 death of George Floyd. Then, as protesters — joined, of course, by rioters and looters — filled the streets, the health "experts" cheered them on, lockdown be damned.
Osagie K. Obasogie, a bioethicist at the University of California at Berkeley, wrote that the real public-health problem is the "police violence pandemic."
For perspective on that claim, we might note that in 2019, 235 black Americans were shot to death by the police, as well as 769 of other races. Even those death totals, put together, do not qualify as a "pandemic." (For further perspective, we might note in 2018, the latest year for which data are available, 7,407 black people were murdered, as part of 14,123 Americans overall.)
Title: Re: Coronavirus Facts
Post by: Anonymous on June 15, 2020, 12:27:14 PM
Post by: Anonymous on June 15, 2020, 12:27:14 PM
Title: Re: Coronavirus Facts
Post by: Berry Sweet on June 15, 2020, 08:07:05 PM
Post by: Berry Sweet on June 15, 2020, 08:07:05 PM
If they still don't know scientifically much about this virus, what's the point? It seems like no one knows anything.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Facts
Post by: Anonymous on June 15, 2020, 10:14:54 PM
Post by: Anonymous on June 15, 2020, 10:14:54 PM
What's the point of a vaccine? I'm starting to question this. They have flu shots every year (I never get one and never get sick) there are people who get these flu shots and continuously get sick from it.
If they still don't know scientifically much about this virus, what's the point? It seems like no one knows anything.
There are different types of influenza. They can't vaccinate for all of them. There is one type of COVID. There are many vaccines being developed as I type.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Facts
Post by: Anonymous on June 16, 2020, 01:29:46 AM
Post by: Anonymous on June 16, 2020, 01:29:46 AM
What's the point of a vaccine?I'm starting to question this. They have flu shots every year (I never get one and never get sick) there are people who get these flu shots and continuously get sick from it.
If they still don't know scientifically much about this virus, what's the point? It seems like no one knows anything.
Immunity....you get that by vaccination or by catching it and recovering..
And there are many vaccine trials, some entering the third phase..
Still, a vaccine is unlikely before mid spring 2021.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Facts
Post by: Anonymous on June 17, 2020, 01:57:40 AM
Post by: Anonymous on June 17, 2020, 01:57:40 AM
The spike represents the most significant surge in China since February, coming after a 56 consecutive day stretch without a new locally reported transmitted case of the novel coronavirus. According to reports, 106 new cases have been reported in Beijing over the past five days.
Chinese state media took to the airwaves with a theory that Beijing's second wave is the result of a mutated version of the virus brought back to China from abroad. "It clearly indicates the virus strain is different from what it was two months ago," Wu Zunyou, chief epidemiologist at the Chinese Centre for Disease Control and Prevention, told state broadcaster CGTN 0n June 16. "The virus strain is the major epidemic strain in European countries. So it is from outside China brought to Beijing."
Title: Re: Coronavirus Facts
Post by: Anonymous on June 17, 2020, 04:43:08 AM
Post by: Anonymous on June 17, 2020, 04:43:08 AM
Title: Re: Coronavirus Facts
Post by: Anonymous on June 17, 2020, 10:06:41 AM
Post by: Anonymous on June 17, 2020, 10:06:41 AM
You cannot believe anything out of China.
I never did.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Facts
Post by: Anonymous on June 17, 2020, 01:07:27 PM
Post by: Anonymous on June 17, 2020, 01:07:27 PM
This is disheartening.This City Is Experiencing an "Extremely Severe" Second Wave of Coronavirus
The spike represents the most significant surge in China since February, coming after a 56 consecutive day stretch without a new locally reported transmitted case of the novel coronavirus. According to reports, 106 new cases have been reported in Beijing over the past five days.
Chinese state media took to the airwaves with a theory that Beijing's second wave is the result of a mutated version of the virus brought back to China from abroad. "It clearly indicates the virus strain is different from what it was two months ago," Wu Zunyou, chief epidemiologist at the Chinese Centre for Disease Control and Prevention, told state broadcaster CGTN 0n June 16. "The virus strain is the major epidemic strain in European countries. So it is from outside China brought to Beijing."https://bestlifeonline.com/beijing-second-wave-coronavirus/
It originated in China despite China's plea of not guilty.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Facts
Post by: Anonymous on June 17, 2020, 04:20:50 PM
Post by: Anonymous on June 17, 2020, 04:20:50 PM
People under the age of 20 are half as likely to contract COVID-19 than the rest of the population, according to new modeling released on Tuesday that suggests four out of five infected young people show no symptoms.
The team estimated that under-20s are at half the risk of COVID-19 infection than over-20s.
They also found a wide variation in symptomatic cases linked to age: only 21 percent of those aged 10 to 19 were likely to show symptoms compared with 69 percent of over-70s.
The researchers then simulated COVID-19 outbreaks in 146 capital cities around the world to see what effect school closures had on the spread of the disease.
Unlike with influenza outbreaks, where transmission was modeled to be sharply curtailed if schools were closed, the authors found the measure had little effect on stopping the novel coronavirus spreading.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Facts
Post by: Anonymous on June 17, 2020, 05:45:34 PM
Post by: Anonymous on June 17, 2020, 05:45:34 PM
This study seems to confirm what we've been told.Under-20s half as likely to contract coronavirus: study
People under the age of 20 are half as likely to contract COVID-19 than the rest of the population, according to new modeling released on Tuesday that suggests four out of five infected young people show no symptoms.
The team estimated that under-20s are at half the risk of COVID-19 infection than over-20s.
They also found a wide variation in symptomatic cases linked to age: only 21 percent of those aged 10 to 19 were likely to show symptoms compared with 69 percent of over-70s.
The researchers then simulated COVID-19 outbreaks in 146 capital cities around the world to see what effect school closures had on the spread of the disease.
Unlike with influenza outbreaks, where transmission was modeled to be sharply curtailed if schools were closed, the authors found the measure had little effect on stopping the novel coronavirus spreading.https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-06-under-20s-coronavirus.html
It's time to open the schools.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Facts
Post by: Anonymous on June 18, 2020, 02:07:02 AM
Post by: Anonymous on June 18, 2020, 02:07:02 AM
This study seems to confirm what we've been told.Under-20s half as likely to contract coronavirus: study
People under the age of 20 are half as likely to contract COVID-19 than the rest of the population, according to new modeling released on Tuesday that suggests four out of five infected young people show no symptoms.
The team estimated that under-20s are at half the risk of COVID-19 infection than over-20s.
They also found a wide variation in symptomatic cases linked to age: only 21 percent of those aged 10 to 19 were likely to show symptoms compared with 69 percent of over-70s.
The researchers then simulated COVID-19 outbreaks in 146 capital cities around the world to see what effect school closures had on the spread of the disease.
Unlike with influenza outbreaks, where transmission was modeled to be sharply curtailed if schools were closed, the authors found the measure had little effect on stopping the novel coronavirus spreading.https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-06-under-20s-coronavirus.html
The kids have to get back to school in the fall. That is important.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Facts
Post by: Oak on June 22, 2020, 06:42:34 PM
Post by: Oak on June 22, 2020, 06:42:34 PM
Uhm, fail. All those deaths for no real protection. Herd immunity is rare.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Facts
Post by: cc on June 22, 2020, 08:41:21 PM
Post by: cc on June 22, 2020, 08:41:21 PM
I have been baffled with the use of the "herd" term bandied about like as though it meant something ... always sounded real hokey to me .. what it really means is when "everyone" has had it ... which they are not even close to ... and if immunity is lasting, which has not been established
I've been charting Sweden and some states and provinces ... last week Sweden started to climb rapidly again and as of 4 days ago disappeared from the World Statistics completely .. the "today" numbers that is (new cases, new deaths, active cases etc) .. not a good sign
Note: That site empties today data around supper time here, and fills in next day as figures come in
Another item, science still has not established immunity strength & duration and a cpl of small studies didn't look like very long lasting (a catastrophe for the world if proven out). I just posted a small study on that today on another thread.
If they prove true, it's not good
Title: Re: Coronavirus Facts
Post by: Anonymous on June 22, 2020, 09:50:57 PM
Post by: Anonymous on June 22, 2020, 09:50:57 PM
"Just 6.1% of the population of Sweden had developed coronavirus antibodies by late May, a lower measure than some of its health agency's earlier models had predicted.
Uhm, fail. All those deaths for no real protection. Herd immunity is rare.https://www.yahoo.com/news/swedens-herd-immunity-hopes-fading-130220788.html
You're cherry picking data. Belarus has never had a lock down, has few if any restrictions and yet has just 351 deaths from COVID. The Chinese province of Taiwan took a different approach than Western countries and has just 7 deaths to coronavirus.
We do know that 53,000 surgeries and treatments were postponed indefinitely in our largest province, Ontario that we will never know how deaths it caused. That's just one province.
We also know that lock downs will cause hundreds of thousands of deaths around the world due to famine alone.
Sweden has the same problem as Canada. Both countries have disproportionate numbers of deaths in senior's care facilities. Both countries should have locked down it's senior's care facilities. Locking down healthy populations for a virus that 99% recover from is the definition of insane. The world is paying the price for such madness.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Facts
Post by: Anonymous on June 22, 2020, 09:50:57 PM
Post by: Anonymous on June 22, 2020, 09:50:57 PM
"Just 6.1% of the population of Sweden had developed coronavirus antibodies by late May, a lower measure than some of its health agency's earlier models had predicted.
Uhm, fail. All those deaths for no real protection. Herd immunity is rare.https://www.yahoo.com/news/swedens-herd-immunity-hopes-fading-130220788.html
You're cherry picking data. Belarus has never had a lock down, has few if any restrictions and yet has just 351 deaths from COVID. The Chinese province of Taiwan took a different approach than Western countries and has just 7 deaths to coronavirus.
We do know that 53,000 surgeries and treatments were postponed indefinitely in our largest province, Ontario that we will never know how deaths it caused. That's just one province.
We also know that lock downs will cause hundreds of thousands of deaths around the world due to famine alone.
Sweden has the same problem as Canada. Both countries have disproportionate numbers of deaths in senior's care facilities. Both countries should have locked down it's senior's care facilities. Locking down healthy populations for a virus that 99% recover from is the definition of insane. The world is paying the price for such madness.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Facts
Post by: Anonymous on June 22, 2020, 10:33:08 PM
Post by: Anonymous on June 22, 2020, 10:33:08 PM
In my province, we have experienced a bit of a spike in new coronavirus cases since we opened restaurants(100 per cent capacity), hair and nail salons, gyms, pools and so on..
But, we're finding that most people getting infected now are younger and don't require hospitalization..
Sweden like Canadian provinces, should've locked down elder care facilities instead of closing schools and important sectors of the economy as North America and most of Europe did.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Facts
Post by: Anonymous on June 23, 2020, 12:01:56 AM
Post by: Anonymous on June 23, 2020, 12:01:56 AM
Title: Re: Coronavirus Facts
Post by: Anonymous on June 23, 2020, 01:05:34 AM
Post by: Anonymous on June 23, 2020, 01:05:34 AM
UPMC doctor says COVID-19 has become 'less prevalent' and isn't making people as sickQuote
Fewer people are testing positive for COVID-19 and those who test positive don't seem to be getting as sick, a UPMC doctor said Thursday.
"All signs that we have available right now show that this virus is less prevalent than it was weeks ago," said Dr. Donald Yealy, the chair of emergency medicine at UPMC.
Yealy further said, among people who test positive, "the total amount of the virus the patient has is much less than in the earlier stages of the pandemic."
The proportion of people with COVID-19 getting so sick they need a breathing ventilator has fallen, according to Yealy.
"We see all of this as evidence that COVID-19 cases are less severe than when this first started," he said.
Yealy said those observations apply to western and central Pennsylvania along with communities in New York and Maryland served by UPMC.
Yealy said he doesn't know exactly why the prevalence and severity of COVID-19 seems to have fallen. He said it likely reflects an interplay of things including weather, possible genetic changes in the virus, people watching themselves more closely for symptoms, and better medical decisions and treatment.
He said UPMC has so far conducted about 30,000 coronavirus tests, with less than 4% showing positive. He further said UPMC has tested about 8,000 patients who had no symptoms, with those patients testing positive at a rate of about 1 in 400.https://www.pennlive.com/news/2020/06/upmc-doctor-says-covid-19-has-become-less-prevalent-and-less-severe.html
Title: Re: Coronavirus Facts
Post by: Anonymous on June 23, 2020, 09:00:23 AM
Post by: Anonymous on June 23, 2020, 09:00:23 AM
Any public health official who recommends a return to full lock downs or anything less than a speedier reopening should be boiled in oil.UPMC doctor says COVID-19 has become 'less prevalent' and isn't making people as sickQuote
Fewer people are testing positive for COVID-19 and those who test positive don't seem to be getting as sick, a UPMC doctor said Thursday.
"All signs that we have available right now show that this virus is less prevalent than it was weeks ago," said Dr. Donald Yealy, the chair of emergency medicine at UPMC.
Yealy further said, among people who test positive, "the total amount of the virus the patient has is much less than in the earlier stages of the pandemic."
The proportion of people with COVID-19 getting so sick they need a breathing ventilator has fallen, according to Yealy.
"We see all of this as evidence that COVID-19 cases are less severe than when this first started," he said.
Yealy said those observations apply to western and central Pennsylvania along with communities in New York and Maryland served by UPMC.
Yealy said he doesn't know exactly why the prevalence and severity of COVID-19 seems to have fallen. He said it likely reflects an interplay of things including weather, possible genetic changes in the virus, people watching themselves more closely for symptoms, and better medical decisions and treatment.
He said UPMC has so far conducted about 30,000 coronavirus tests, with less than 4% showing positive. He further said UPMC has tested about 8,000 patients who had no symptoms, with those patients testing positive at a rate of about 1 in 400.https://www.pennlive.com/news/2020/06/upmc-doctor-says-covid-19-has-become-less-prevalent-and-less-severe.html
cc posted something similar to this..
The severity rate is falling even as cases rise in Alberta probably because the people who are catching it are younger.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Facts
Post by: Anonymous on June 28, 2020, 06:29:13 PM
Post by: Anonymous on June 28, 2020, 06:29:13 PM
Title: Re: Coronavirus Facts
Post by: Anonymous on June 28, 2020, 08:13:17 PM
Post by: Anonymous on June 28, 2020, 08:13:17 PM
WASHINGTON -- U.S. officials estimate that 20 million Americans have been infected with the coronavirus since it first arrived in the United States, meaning that the vast majority of the population remains susceptible.
Thursday's estimate is roughly 10 times as many infections as the 2.3 million cases that have been confirmed. Officials have long known that millions of people were infected without knowing it and that many cases are being missed because of gaps in testing.
Twenty million infections means that about 6% of the nation's 331 million people have been infected.
"It's clear that many individuals in this nation are still susceptible," Dr. Robert Redfield, director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, said on a call with reporters Thursday. "Our best estimate right now is that for every case that was reported, there actually are 10 more infections."
Title: Re: Coronavirus Facts
Post by: Anonymous on June 28, 2020, 08:31:18 PM
Post by: Anonymous on June 28, 2020, 08:31:18 PM
I know far more Canadians and Americans have the coronavirus than officially reported.U.S. health officials estimate 20 million Americans have had coronavirus
WASHINGTON -- U.S. officials estimate that 20 million Americans have been infected with the coronavirus since it first arrived in the United States, meaning that the vast majority of the population remains susceptible.
Thursday's estimate is roughly 10 times as many infections as the 2.3 million cases that have been confirmed. Officials have long known that millions of people were infected without knowing it and that many cases are being missed because of gaps in testing.
Twenty million infections means that about 6% of the nation's 331 million people have been infected.
"It's clear that many individuals in this nation are still susceptible," Dr. Robert Redfield, director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, said on a call with reporters Thursday. "Our best estimate right now is that for every case that was reported, there actually are 10 more infections."https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/coronavirus/u-s-health-officials-estimate-20-million-americans-have-had-coronavirus-1.4999818
The actual number of infections is between 6 and 24 times higher than the official tally. By the time a vaccine is available, it might be too late.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Facts
Post by: Anonymous on June 28, 2020, 08:43:08 PM
Post by: Anonymous on June 28, 2020, 08:43:08 PM
I know far more Canadians and Americans have the coronavirus than officially reported.U.S. health officials estimate 20 million Americans have had coronavirus
WASHINGTON -- U.S. officials estimate that 20 million Americans have been infected with the coronavirus since it first arrived in the United States, meaning that the vast majority of the population remains susceptible.
Thursday's estimate is roughly 10 times as many infections as the 2.3 million cases that have been confirmed. Officials have long known that millions of people were infected without knowing it and that many cases are being missed because of gaps in testing.
Twenty million infections means that about 6% of the nation's 331 million people have been infected.
"It's clear that many individuals in this nation are still susceptible," Dr. Robert Redfield, director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, said on a call with reporters Thursday. "Our best estimate right now is that for every case that was reported, there actually are 10 more infections."https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/coronavirus/u-s-health-officials-estimate-20-million-americans-have-had-coronavirus-1.4999818
The actual number of infections is between 6 and 24 times higher than the official tally. By the time a vaccine is available, it might be too late.
The USA might get some form of herd immunity.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Facts
Post by: Anonymous on June 29, 2020, 06:03:07 AM
Post by: Anonymous on June 29, 2020, 06:03:07 AM
The actual death rate from COVID is similar to seasonal flu. In fact, since many people are asymptomatic, it's milder than the flu.
The average years of life lost from each COVID-19 death are significantly fewer than common causes of untimely death like accidents and suicides.Quote
The virus that causes COVID-19 is "very vulnerable to antibody neutralization" and has limited ability to mutate, which means it is very unlikely to take lives year after year.
If 240,000 COVID-19 deaths ultimately occur in the United States, the virus will rob about 2.9 million years of life from all Americans who were alive at the outset of 2020, while accidents will rob them of about 409 million years—or about 140 times more than COVID-19.
On the other hand, elderly people and those with chronic ailments are extremely vulnerable to COVID-19. Furthermore, the disease is highly transmissible, which means it could spread like wildfire and overwhelm hospitals without extraordinary measures to contain it. This would greatly increase its death toll.
However, such precautionary measures often have economic and other impacts that can cost lives, and overreacting can ultimately kill more people than are saved.https://www.fee.org/articles/crucial-facts-about-covid-19-transmissibility-death-rates-and-raw-numbers/
Title: Re: Coronavirus Facts
Post by: Anonymous on June 29, 2020, 07:18:07 AM
Post by: Anonymous on June 29, 2020, 07:18:07 AM
Title: Re: Coronavirus Facts
Post by: @realAzhyaAryola on June 29, 2020, 02:26:41 PM
Post by: @realAzhyaAryola on June 29, 2020, 02:26:41 PM
Title: Re: Coronavirus Facts
Post by: Anonymous on June 29, 2020, 02:28:41 PM
Post by: Anonymous on June 29, 2020, 02:28:41 PM
Has anyone else here received a test?
Have you had one Azhya?
My husband and I will get tested when they are available in pharmacies.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Facts
Post by: @realAzhyaAryola on June 29, 2020, 02:29:33 PM
Post by: @realAzhyaAryola on June 29, 2020, 02:29:33 PM
Has anyone else here received a test?
Have you had one Azhya?
My husband and I will get tested when they are available in pharmacies.
Not yet but I am considering getting tested.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Facts
Post by: Anonymous on June 29, 2020, 02:31:32 PM
Post by: Anonymous on June 29, 2020, 02:31:32 PM
Title: Re: Coronavirus Facts
Post by: Oak on June 29, 2020, 11:07:25 PM
Post by: Oak on June 29, 2020, 11:07:25 PM
"Just 6.1% of the population of Sweden had developed coronavirus antibodies by late May, a lower measure than some of its health agency's earlier models had predicted.
Uhm, fail. All those deaths for no real protection. Herd immunity is rare.https://www.yahoo.com/news/swedens-herd-immunity-hopes-fading-130220788.html
You're cherry picking data. Belarus has never had a lock down, has few if any restrictions and yet has just 351 deaths from COVID. The Chinese province of Taiwan took a different approach than Western countries and has just 7 deaths to coronavirus.
We do know that 53,000 surgeries and treatments were postponed indefinitely in our largest province, Ontario that we will never know how deaths it caused. That's just one province.
We also know that lock downs will cause hundreds of thousands of deaths around the world due to famine alone.
Sweden has the same problem as Canada. Both countries have disproportionate numbers of deaths in senior's care facilities. Both countries should have locked down it's senior's care facilities. Locking down healthy populations for a virus that 99% recover from is the definition of insane. The world is paying the price for such madness.
1%, maybe as high as 2-3%, are dying. That makes Covid-19 more deadly by a factor of 10, more deadly than the seasonal flu. I've seen you call it a simple flu before, That's hogwash quite frankly.
"By comparison, seasonal flu generally kills far fewer than 1 percent of those infected," Tedros said of the global flu caseload during the news briefing.
Anthony S. Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, has said that the mortality rate for seasonal flu is 0.1 percent."
Title: Re: Coronavirus Facts
Post by: cc on June 29, 2020, 11:31:10 PM
Post by: cc on June 29, 2020, 11:31:10 PM
I've done the
Canada (Entire) 0.0830 .. That's 8.3 deaths / 100 people virus-ed
US (Entire) 0.050 - 5 deaths / 100 people virus-ed
BC 0.0604 - 6 deaths / 100 people virus-ed
Washington State - 0.0404 - 4 deaths / 100 people virus-ed
Sweden 0.081 - 8.1 deaths / 100 people virus-ed
Georgia - 0.04 - 4 deaths / 100 people virus-ed
Germany 0.045 - 4.5 deaths / 100 people virus-ed
I remember seeing people , even Docs, saying less that one, some even said less that 0.1 for months .. It was all bullshit
Still think it's "just a flu"?
Go ahead. Check it for yourselves
Do the math
Title: Re: Coronavirus Facts
Post by: Anonymous on June 30, 2020, 12:04:46 AM
Post by: Anonymous on June 30, 2020, 12:04:46 AM
Until we get antibodies tests we won't know what the death rate is..
But, the death rate die to COVID will drop significantly when get those tests out.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Facts
Post by: cc on June 30, 2020, 12:08:53 AM
Post by: cc on June 30, 2020, 12:08:53 AM
Some science says antibodies are dwindling quite a bit each month, so we may never know. I think I posted on that last night?
If so, we are in a mess .. the scientists who said that are now doing a larger test of more people .. in fact, I think a lot of scientists are looking into that part of it
Title: Re: Coronavirus Facts
Post by: Anonymous on June 30, 2020, 12:12:36 AM
Post by: Anonymous on June 30, 2020, 12:12:36 AM
I'm expecting an antibody test soon myself
Some science says antibodies are dwindling quite a bit each month, so we may never know. I think I posted on that last night?
If so, we are in a mess .. the scientists who said that are now doing a larger test of more people
We need a bigger sample of antibody testing.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Facts
Post by: cc on June 30, 2020, 12:50:00 AM
Post by: cc on June 30, 2020, 12:50:00 AM
With this virus I'm finding science knows so little and to make it worse, everyone is making what confused info there is come out to their liking and putting it out as important fact
I just want the facts, not what I or anyone "wants" to hear. I'm getting very frustrated .. and leaning much toward an item "engineered to be difficult" to deal with and so easy to spread
I don't think antibodies is the whole answer, but I know BC started tests today. She said those who did the study over a month ago would be among the first, so I hope I get one soon. While odds are my February pneumonia was not virus, there is a chance it could have been and I'd just like to know if yes or no
Title: Re: Coronavirus Facts
Post by: Anonymous on June 30, 2020, 12:52:28 AM
Post by: Anonymous on June 30, 2020, 12:52:28 AM
Maybe. I'm not sure of anything about this virus anymore.
With this virus I'm finding science knows so little and to make it worse, everyone is making what confused info there is come out to their liking and putting it out as important fact
I just want the facts, not what I or anyone "wants" to hear.
I don't think antibodies is the whole answer, but I know BC started tests today. She said those who did the study over a month ago would be among the first, so I hope I get one soon. While odds are my February pneumonia was not virus, there is a chance it could have been . .and I'd just like to know if yes or no
True. I have seen some people spin this into the black plague for Christ sakes.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Facts
Post by: cc on June 30, 2020, 12:55:38 AM
Post by: cc on June 30, 2020, 12:55:38 AM
You want it to be mild so been spinning everything you look at to come out that way
That's what's been going on in BOTH directions ... professionals also are doing it ... making it impossible to know what to believe
The span of scientific info is so broad
Title: Re: Coronavirus Facts
Post by: Anonymous on June 30, 2020, 12:58:38 AM
Post by: Anonymous on June 30, 2020, 12:58:38 AM
See, you just did what I said
You want it to be mild so spin everything you look at to come out that way
That's what's been going on in BOTH directions ... professionals also are doing it ... making it impossible to know who to believe
Not at all. As I told you before, I am semi retired, and I can make that permanent.
I can tough this out a long time.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Facts
Post by: cc on June 30, 2020, 01:00:38 AM
Post by: cc on June 30, 2020, 01:00:38 AM
Having had pneumonia so recently and so severely I have to protect myself to the extreme
That's why I want good info so bad and seems it is all bullshit and conjecture out there .. today's flavor is antibodies .. what's for tomorrow?
FKNG China #$$%%^&
Title: Re: Coronavirus Facts
Post by: Anonymous on June 30, 2020, 01:06:43 AM
Post by: Anonymous on June 30, 2020, 01:06:43 AM
See, you just did what I said
You want it to be mild so spin everything you look at to come out that way
That's what's been going on in BOTH directions ... professionals also are doing it ... making it impossible to know who to believe
Not at all. As I told you before, I am semi retired, and I can make that permanent.
I can tough this out a long time.
We can't do that, nor should we have to..
I have an infection on my left arm that needs more than just antibiotics..
My doctor told me I'll be waiting a year to have it removed..
Think of people that have had cancer treatments postponed..
There should never have been lock downs of healthy people.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Facts
Post by: cc on June 30, 2020, 01:08:48 AM
Post by: cc on June 30, 2020, 01:08:48 AM
Are not docs and hospitals active again where you are? They are here, but I do know Alta has many times more cases of virus than we have had
Title: Re: Coronavirus Facts
Post by: Anonymous on June 30, 2020, 01:13:14 AM
Post by: Anonymous on June 30, 2020, 01:13:14 AM
Hope it works out for you Fash. That's terrible.
Are not docs and hospitals active again where you are? They are here, but I do know Alta has many times more cases of virus
They are, but minor procedures like I need are not priority..
We already had a backlog and this made it so much worse..
We've had people die who had stent surgery delayed, so hospitals could prioritize people coming to emergency with a cough..
Our reaction to this pandemic has been irrational and destructive.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Facts
Post by: cc on June 30, 2020, 01:22:24 AM
Post by: cc on June 30, 2020, 01:22:24 AM
Here, they did not hospitalize virus people unless it was well needed and we had several times fewer cases of virus that you guys had
I've copped out on an offer for a semi-minor Op a few weeks ago because I'm now gun shy about close contact with anyone .. especially hospitals
The pneumonia thing I had in February combined with virus arriving about same time has changed my life 180 .. I'm used to playing offense all my life and I'm now playing defense and going nuts
I sure hope you can get your issue dealt with
Title: Re: Coronavirus Facts
Post by: Anonymous on June 30, 2020, 01:25:51 AM
Post by: Anonymous on June 30, 2020, 01:25:51 AM
Title: Re: Coronavirus Facts
Post by: cc on June 30, 2020, 01:28:44 AM
Post by: cc on June 30, 2020, 01:28:44 AM
For example, today we have 18 in hospital for virus for the entire province
Past few months, at worse times most was 30 or 40 .. highest ever was 50 + at one time
Title: Re: Coronavirus Facts
Post by: Anonymous on June 30, 2020, 01:34:44 AM
Post by: Anonymous on June 30, 2020, 01:34:44 AM
I don't get that. Here, no people with virus were hospitalized unless they were in legit danger .. the "paranoid people with a dry cough" getting hospitalized didn't happen here
For example, today we have 18 in hospital for virus for the entire province
Past few months, at worse times most was 30 or 40
Not so much here in Saskatchewan, but Alberta and Manitoba had people going to emergency rooms if they got a cough. This is despite being told not to do that. But, for the most part, hospitals across the prairies were empty. Surgeries and treatments not getting done. Frickin crazy.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Facts
Post by: cc on June 30, 2020, 01:36:12 AM
Post by: cc on June 30, 2020, 01:36:12 AM
True that we were told call hot line or doc but do not come in unless serious .. i.e.only if hotline or doc said to or it was dire
Title: Re: Coronavirus Facts
Post by: Anonymous on June 30, 2020, 01:41:44 AM
Post by: Anonymous on June 30, 2020, 01:41:44 AM
Empty and no regular stuff was crazy
True that we were told call hot line or doc but do not come in unless serious .. i.e.only if hotline or doc said to or it was dire
The hospital priority thing was the worst of this. I am glad nobody I know needed surgery during this, because it would have been delayed or cancelled.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Facts
Post by: cc on June 30, 2020, 01:53:44 AM
Post by: cc on June 30, 2020, 01:53:44 AM
Title: Re: Coronavirus Facts
Post by: Anonymous on June 30, 2020, 06:22:53 AM
Post by: Anonymous on June 30, 2020, 06:22:53 AM
I'm feeling for Fash. She's one of the innocent victims
There are lots of stories like hers and worse.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Facts
Post by: Anonymous on June 30, 2020, 01:11:12 PM
Post by: Anonymous on June 30, 2020, 01:11:12 PM
I'm feeling for Fash. She's one of the innocent victims
There are lots of stories like hers and worse.
Much worse.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Facts
Post by: Anonymous on July 26, 2020, 11:38:19 AM
Post by: Anonymous on July 26, 2020, 11:38:19 AM
What was the evidence that sending kids to school, with some form of revised sanitation protocols in place, would put them "in harm's way"? In fact, around that very time studies were surfacing that showed there was very little harm to be had. "Growing evidence suggests children are less susceptible to infection, have milder infection, and are infrequently responsible for household transmission," said Alasdair Munro, a clinical research fellow in pediatric infectious diseases at University Hospital Southampton and coauthor of a major report on how COVID-19 affects kids.
That's the U.K., but the same is playing out in Canada.
The latest numbers from the Public Health Agency of Canada tell us that, as of Thursday, there have been 8,588 Canadians under the age of 20 who have tested positive for COVID-19. Only 125 of those have been hospitalized and only one of them has died. That's right. There has only ever been one COVID-19 death
Title: Re: Coronavirus Facts
Post by: Anonymous on August 05, 2020, 02:54:09 AM
Post by: Anonymous on August 05, 2020, 02:54:09 AM
Title: Re: Coronavirus Facts
Post by: Anonymous on August 05, 2020, 04:38:38 PM
Post by: Anonymous on August 05, 2020, 04:38:38 PM
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So, what you saying? No protective measures like mask wearing and hand sanitizer for you. You go ahead and catch the Chinese virus. I do not want it.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Facts
Post by: Anonymous on August 05, 2020, 06:02:05 PM
Post by: Anonymous on August 05, 2020, 06:02:05 PM
Title: Re: Coronavirus Facts
Post by: Anonymous on August 05, 2020, 07:11:14 PM
Post by: Anonymous on August 05, 2020, 07:11:14 PM
Shen Li is trying to downplay China's responsibility by implying it's no more serious than a seasonal flu.
I know what the China shill is doing.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Facts
Post by: Gaon on August 23, 2020, 12:43:55 PM
Post by: Gaon on August 23, 2020, 12:43:55 PM
Top Tel Aviv U prof says "There is a great interest for anyone who supported the draconian measures in saying Sweden's policy has failed."
Prof. Udi Qimron will soon head the Department of Clinical Microbiology and Immunology at Tel Aviv University.
In an interview with Yediot Ahronot, Qimron shed further light on the coronavirus. "There is a very great interest for anyone who has supported the draconian measures taken around the world to say that Sweden's policy has failed. Because if it succeeded, and trillions went down the drain for no reason, someone will have to answer for it."
"That is why all over the world they prefer to claim that [Sweden] was wrong. But in the end, the truth came to the surface. In a world where decision makers, their advisers and the media were able to admit their mistake and the initial panic that gripped them, we would have long since returned to routine. The ongoing destruction due to the inability to admit this mistake, despite the epidemic's small mortality numbers, is outrageous. History will judge the hysteria."
"If we had not been told that there was an epidemic in the country, you would not have known there was such an epidemic and you would not have done anything about it," he said emphatically. "The fact that this issue runs all day in the media inflates it beyond its natural dimensions. If black death had raged here, as in the 14th century, you would not have had to follow the situation in the news, the bodies would have piled up in the streets. We were not and we are not in this situation today."
Prof. Qimron noted that the total number of coronavirus deaths does not exceed 0.1% of the total population in any country, and the death rate from coronavirus is less than 0.01% of the total world population, meaning that 99.99% of the world's population so far has survived the epidemic and the virus is negligibly lethal.
He said smart behavior would be the opposite of what we do today; Populations not at risk should become infected and create chains of immunity, which will protect the sick and the elderly. We are currently working for sweeping social distancing, which prevents such differential immunity, he said.
He went on to explain that infection of children is a welcome thing, because it protects at-risk populations. "For the same reason, I would open up the whole education system, because the vast majority is made up of people who are not at risk. Of course a solution needs to be found for teachers suffering from diabetes or other background diseases, but I see no reason to prevent activities that encourage the economy. Not only because it allows parents to go to work, but also because it lowers mortality in the long run. I would also ask children and young people to take off their masks. Of course, it is impossible to force a child to take off a mask, but proper information will do the job."
"At the same time, I would call on at-risk populations, our parents and people with background illnesses, to avoid social gatherings in the coming months until we reach the appropriate immunity depth. It is possible and desirable to recommend at-risk populations to wear masks. I would also open the skies and abolish the isolation obligation for those returning from abroad. With the situation of carriers abroad compared to within Israel, there is no reason to isolate tourists, just as you and I are not isolated even though we have an even higher probability than that of a random tourist from abroad to be a carrier. These are things that got into our minds four months ago and we do not understand that their time has passed," he added.
This is what should have happened.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Facts
Post by: Anonymous on August 28, 2020, 03:51:00 PM
Post by: Anonymous on August 28, 2020, 03:51:00 PM
Second, 82% of the cases and 94% of the fatalities have occurred in Ontario and Quebec.
Third, 67% of all COVID-19 deaths in Ontario and Quebec have occurred in long-term care homes (over 80% at the height of the pandemic.)
Fourth, there has been one reported death for Canadians 0 to 19 years of age and 10 deaths for Canadians 0 to 29, or 0.1% of all deaths.
None of these statistics are meant to devalue the lives of those who have died.
But what they tell us going forward is that protecting the elderly and vulnerable are vital to minimizing fatalities caused by COVID-19 and future pandemics.
This is particularly true in group home settings, also a key lesson for this pandemic and any future ones.
By comparison, students returning to school next month will be at relatively low risk from COVID-19.
That doesn't mean there won't be any new cases. That's inevitable as more students return to classes.
But the advantage we have now, that we didn't have at the height of the pandemic, is that infection rates have dropped significantly.
Combined with our increased ability to test quickly for COVID-19, this has significantly increased our ability to respond to and contain isolated outbreaks quickly.
Of course, we must all continue to be vigilant, wear masks and observe basic hygiene procedures, plus be prepared for renewed lockdowns if that becomes necessary.
We are much better equipped to prevent that today than we were at the start of the outbreak.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Facts
Post by: Anonymous on August 28, 2020, 04:51:34 PM
Post by: Anonymous on August 28, 2020, 04:51:34 PM
Almost 90% of fatalities have been people over 70 years of age, 71.4% over 80 years of age.
Second, 82% of the cases and 94% of the fatalities have occurred in Ontario and Quebec.
Third, 67% of all COVID-19 deaths in Ontario and Quebec have occurred in long-term care homes (over 80% at the height of the pandemic.)
Fourth, there has been one reported death for Canadians 0 to 19 years of age and 10 deaths for Canadians 0 to 29, or 0.1% of all deaths.
None of these statistics are meant to devalue the lives of those who have died.
But what they tell us going forward is that protecting the elderly and vulnerable are vital to minimizing fatalities caused by COVID-19 and future pandemics.
This is particularly true in group home settings, also a key lesson for this pandemic and any future ones.
By comparison, students returning to school next month will be at relatively low risk from COVID-19.
That doesn't mean there won't be any new cases. That's inevitable as more students return to classes.
But the advantage we have now, that we didn't have at the height of the pandemic, is that infection rates have dropped significantly.
Combined with our increased ability to test quickly for COVID-19, this has significantly increased our ability to respond to and contain isolated outbreaks quickly.
Of course, we must all continue to be vigilant, wear masks and observe basic hygiene procedures, plus be prepared for renewed lockdowns if that becomes necessary.
We are much better equipped to prevent that today than we were at the start of the outbreak.
Ya, we could have handled this in a smarter way. The problem is that nobody knew anything about this frickin virus.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Facts
Post by: Anonymous on September 04, 2020, 11:22:45 PM
Post by: Anonymous on September 04, 2020, 11:22:45 PM
The world should have followed Sweden's example. That country never locked down and has even kept children under 16 in school the entire time. As Reuters reported on July 15, the number of Swedish children between 1 and 19 years of age who have died of COVID-19 is zero. And the percentage of children who contracted the illness was the exact same in Sweden as it was in Finland, which locked down its schools.Quote
As regards teachers, Sweden's Public Health Agency reported that "a comparison of the incidence of COVID-19 in different professions suggested no increased risk for teachers." Nevertheless, with few exceptions, teachers in Los Angeles and elsewhere refuse to enter a classroom that has students in it. Their disdain for their profession has been superseded only by that of the Los Angeles teachers union, which announced that teachers will not resume teaching until the police are defunded.
For more than a month, Sweden has had almost no deaths from COVID-19 while the entire society remains open and almost no one wears masks. (In Holland, too, almost no one wears masks.) For all intents and purposes, the virus is over in Sweden.