Title: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on June 13, 2020, 02:51:31 PM
Post by: Anonymous on June 13, 2020, 02:51:31 PM
On a global scale, the economic, social, and medical implications of the COVID pandemic are just beginning to take shape. The size of the mountain emerging out of the shadows is staggering.
At home, our Alberta public health authorities have done a fine job, minimizing the virus outbreak through group action.
But now we face the cost of the pandemic. Jobs are gone, many not to be recovered. Businesses are gone, life savings have been lost. Job opportunities will be a fraction of the past.
No mere mortal understands the financial wizardry of governments seeming to have endless credit. But, somehow, somewhere, the hundreds of billions borrowed to fight COVID have to be paid back.
The reality is simple. Debt servicing will skyrocket up to between 10 and 20 per cent of government spending, pushing education and health as the prime spenders of Canadian tax dollars.
Spending will be up; tax revenue will be down.
Higher taxation – European style for those still working – will be a reality. All of Trudeau's horses, all his financial tricks, cannot put this Humpty Dumpty back together again.
Western Canada faces the longterm slowdown of our natural resource income. Oil and gas prices remain in a six- year funk. Climate activists oppose fossil fuels, blind to their ever-improving environmental competitiveness.
Where is leadership in all this? Certainly not from our prime minister. Justin Trudeau seems devoid of substance. A leader supposedly of the whole country, yet seemingly indifferent to the fate of Canada's oil and gas industry during this pandemic. A leader who does not understand economics, and, worse still, does not care that he does not understand. A "leader" who seems more concerned wooing Chinese-influenced despots and dictators in a quest to secure a seat on the United Nations' Security Council.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on June 13, 2020, 03:09:27 PM
Post by: Anonymous on June 13, 2020, 03:09:27 PM
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on June 13, 2020, 03:20:14 PM
Post by: Anonymous on June 13, 2020, 03:20:14 PM
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on June 13, 2020, 04:04:48 PM
Post by: Anonymous on June 13, 2020, 04:04:48 PM
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Gaon on June 13, 2020, 05:22:29 PM
Post by: Gaon on June 13, 2020, 05:22:29 PM
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on June 13, 2020, 06:37:14 PM
Post by: Anonymous on June 13, 2020, 06:37:14 PM
Lock downs are a disproportionate response to COVID-19.
Quarantines for healthy people is a bit extreme.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on June 13, 2020, 07:43:08 PM
Post by: Anonymous on June 13, 2020, 07:43:08 PM
From Graham Hicks of Sun News Media
On a global scale, the economic, social, and medical implications of the COVID pandemic are just beginning to take shape. The size of the mountain emerging out of the shadows is staggering.
At home, our Alberta public health authorities have done a fine job, minimizing the virus outbreak through group action.
But now we face the cost of the pandemic. Jobs are gone, many not to be recovered. Businesses are gone, life savings have been lost. Job opportunities will be a fraction of the past.
No mere mortal understands the financial wizardry of governments seeming to have endless credit. But, somehow, somewhere, the hundreds of billions borrowed to fight COVID have to be paid back.
The reality is simple. Debt servicing will skyrocket up to between 10 and 20 per cent of government spending, pushing education and health as the prime spenders of Canadian tax dollars.
Spending will be up; tax revenue will be down.
Higher taxation – European style for those still working – will be a reality. All of Trudeau's horses, all his financial tricks, cannot put this Humpty Dumpty back together again.
Western Canada faces the longterm slowdown of our natural resource income. Oil and gas prices remain in a six- year funk. Climate activists oppose fossil fuels, blind to their ever-improving environmental competitiveness.
Where is leadership in all this? Certainly not from our prime minister. Justin Trudeau seems devoid of substance. A leader supposedly of the whole country, yet seemingly indifferent to the fate of Canada's oil and gas industry during this pandemic. A leader who does not understand economics, and, worse still, does not care that he does not understand. A "leader" who seems more concerned wooing Chinese-influenced despots and dictators in a quest to secure a seat on the United Nations' Security Council.
Canada is FUBAR. Immigrants can have it.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Berry Sweet on June 13, 2020, 10:22:10 PM
Post by: Berry Sweet on June 13, 2020, 10:22:10 PM
Canada is FUBAR. Immigrants can have it.
I agree.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on June 14, 2020, 11:22:56 AM
Post by: Anonymous on June 14, 2020, 11:22:56 AM
From Graham Hicks of Sun News Media
On a global scale, the economic, social, and medical implications of the COVID pandemic are just beginning to take shape. The size of the mountain emerging out of the shadows is staggering.
At home, our Alberta public health authorities have done a fine job, minimizing the virus outbreak through group action.
But now we face the cost of the pandemic. Jobs are gone, many not to be recovered. Businesses are gone, life savings have been lost. Job opportunities will be a fraction of the past.
No mere mortal understands the financial wizardry of governments seeming to have endless credit. But, somehow, somewhere, the hundreds of billions borrowed to fight COVID have to be paid back.
The reality is simple. Debt servicing will skyrocket up to between 10 and 20 per cent of government spending, pushing education and health as the prime spenders of Canadian tax dollars.
Spending will be up; tax revenue will be down.
Higher taxation – European style for those still working – will be a reality. All of Trudeau's horses, all his financial tricks, cannot put this Humpty Dumpty back together again.
Western Canada faces the longterm slowdown of our natural resource income. Oil and gas prices remain in a six- year funk. Climate activists oppose fossil fuels, blind to their ever-improving environmental competitiveness.
Where is leadership in all this? Certainly not from our prime minister. Justin Trudeau seems devoid of substance. A leader supposedly of the whole country, yet seemingly indifferent to the fate of Canada's oil and gas industry during this pandemic. A leader who does not understand economics, and, worse still, does not care that he does not understand. A "leader" who seems more concerned wooing Chinese-influenced despots and dictators in a quest to secure a seat on the United Nations' Security Council.
Canada is FUBAR. Immigrants can have it.
I'm not that pessimistic.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on June 15, 2020, 09:14:16 AM
Post by: Anonymous on June 15, 2020, 09:14:16 AM
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: cc on June 15, 2020, 02:04:44 PM
Post by: cc on June 15, 2020, 02:04:44 PM
Also keep Sweden daily .. It's strange ... the total keeps increasing rapidly but posted "new cases" is a small fraction of what posted "total cases" shows .. not sure what they are trying to prove
I also track Georgia - new cases numbers are climbing fairly quickly last cpl of weeks .. deaths low so far
Will let y'all know if things change in a big way as time goes on
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on June 15, 2020, 02:57:32 PM
Post by: Anonymous on June 15, 2020, 02:57:32 PM
There has been a spike in COVID cases in Texas. Are they going to reimpose restrictions kiebers?
What has old kiebers have to say about it. We just opened bars, restaurants and bottle returns. I have no desire to go back to having them closed.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on June 15, 2020, 04:02:17 PM
Post by: Anonymous on June 15, 2020, 04:02:17 PM
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on June 15, 2020, 04:15:45 PM
Post by: Anonymous on June 15, 2020, 04:15:45 PM
Where kiebers lives in Texas has the highest number of COVID-19 cases.
It is the biggest city in the state.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Berry Sweet on June 15, 2020, 08:00:23 PM
Post by: Berry Sweet on June 15, 2020, 08:00:23 PM
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on June 15, 2020, 10:11:24 PM
Post by: Anonymous on June 15, 2020, 10:11:24 PM
Imagine a second lockdown....
No thank you.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on June 16, 2020, 09:19:42 AM
Post by: Anonymous on June 16, 2020, 09:19:42 AM
Imagine a second lockdown....
That would be devastating.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on June 28, 2020, 06:40:22 PM
Post by: Anonymous on June 28, 2020, 06:40:22 PM
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on June 28, 2020, 06:58:09 PM
Post by: Anonymous on June 28, 2020, 06:58:09 PM
But, the part about the solution to the pandemic, isolation, inactivity are terrible recommendations.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on July 06, 2020, 04:28:36 PM
Post by: Anonymous on July 06, 2020, 04:28:36 PM
Personally, I take the view that the lockdown was a panicked over-reaction; it might have been better to have stuck with the original plan of learning to live with the virus, which if we had been better at testing, would have been perfectly feasible. This would not have saved the economy from a serious recession; behavioural changes alone would have ensured that. But it might not have been so deep.
Yet if virtually all other advanced economies, and many developing countries, are applying the lockdown strategy, it becomes politically very high risk to adopt alternative approaches, so from that perspective, the decision was almost inevitable. Once it became clear that the NHS could cope, however, the lockdown became less easy to justify. The longer it went on, the worse the economic costs. These ought to have been more properly weighed in the balance.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on July 18, 2020, 12:57:19 AM
Post by: Anonymous on July 18, 2020, 12:57:19 AM
Millions of young minds are going to waste
All around the world, children's minds are going to waste. As covid-19 surged in early April, more than 90% of pupils were shut out of school. Since then the number has fallen by one-third, as many classrooms in Europe and East Asia have reopened. But elsewhere progress is slow. Some American school districts, including Los Angeles and San Diego, plan to offer only remote learning when their new school year begins. Kenya's government has scrapped the whole year, leaving its children idle until January. In the Philippines President Rodrigo Duterte says he may not let any children return to the classroom until a vaccine is found. South Africa has reopened casinos, but only a fraction of classrooms.
The new coronavirus poses a low risk to children. Studies suggest that under-18s are a third to a half less likely to catch the disease. Those under ten, according to British figures, are a thousand times less likely to die than someone aged between 70 and 79. The evidence suggests they are not especially likely to infect others. In Sweden staff at nurseries and primary schools, which never closed, were no more likely to catch the virus than those in other jobs.
However, the costs of missing school are huge. Children learn less, and lose the habit of learning. Zoom is a lousy substitute for classrooms. Poor children, who are less likely to have good Wi-Fi and educated parents, fall further behind their better-off peers. Parents who have nowhere to drop their children struggle to return to work. Mothers bear the heavier burden, and so suffer a bigger career setback. Children out of school are more likely to suffer abuse, malnutrition and poor mental health.
School closures are bad enough in rich countries. The harm they do in poor ones is much worse (see article). Perhaps 465m children being offered online classes cannot easily make use of them because they lack an internet connection. In parts of Africa and South Asia, families are in such dire straits that many parents are urging their children to give up their studies and start work or get married. The longer school is shut, the more will make this woeful choice. Save the Children, a charity, guesses that nearly 10m could drop out. Most will be girls.
Education is the surest path out of poverty. Depriving children of it will doom them to poorer, shorter, less fulfilling lives. The World Bank estimates that five months of school closures would cut lifetime earnings for the children who are affected by $10trn in today's money, equivalent to 7% of current annual gdp.
With such catastrophic potential losses, governments should be working out how to reopen schools as soon as it is safe. This should not be a partisan issue, as it has sadly become in America, where some people assume it is a bad idea simply because President Donald Trump proposes it. In some countries teachers' unions have been obstructive, partly out of justified concern for public health as cases climb, but also because teachers' interests are not the same as children's—especially if they are being paid whether they work or not. The main union in Los Angeles urges that schools remain closed until a long wishlist of demands has been met, including the elusive dream of universal health care in America. Children cannot wait that long.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on July 18, 2020, 04:16:26 AM
Post by: Anonymous on July 18, 2020, 04:16:26 AM
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on July 18, 2020, 08:29:18 AM
Post by: Anonymous on July 18, 2020, 08:29:18 AM
Education is not an essential service, but alcohol and lottery tickets are. When progs are calling the shots nothing makes sense.
It's ridiculous.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Renee on July 18, 2020, 11:50:23 AM
Post by: Renee on July 18, 2020, 11:50:23 AM
Furthermore closing schools should by all rights lower taxes and hopefully force townships to deal with the exorbitant salaries paid to administrators, principles and superintendents.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on July 18, 2020, 02:40:55 PM
Post by: Anonymous on July 18, 2020, 02:40:55 PM
Schools are nothing but leftist indoctrination camps...Keep them closed. This keeps the bullshit curriculum right where parents can keep a close eye on it. For too long we have allowed our public schools to mold opinion and ideology in young minds. It's time to put a stop to it and remove some of the power teachers unions have over what can and cannot be taught to our kids.
Furthermore closing schools should by all rights lower taxes and hopefully force townships to deal with the exorbitant salaries paid to administrators, principles and superintendents.
Ah, but Renee, parents count on the schools remaining open. I never had kids myself, but I have friends that do. They want the schools open in September. As far as I know, my province is opening schools in September.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Gaon on July 18, 2020, 04:12:54 PM
Post by: Gaon on July 18, 2020, 04:12:54 PM
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on July 19, 2020, 12:21:20 AM
Post by: Anonymous on July 19, 2020, 12:21:20 AM
My daughter hopes school resumes in the fall. She misses her friends.
I hope she can return in the fall too.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on July 22, 2020, 11:58:31 AM
Post by: Anonymous on July 22, 2020, 11:58:31 AM
Tory is calling for mandatory masks for all staff and patrons, earlier closing hours, occupancy restrictions, and for all patrons to provide contact information that is to be kept for 30 days, to allow for tracing as needed.
Asking everyone for their contact information is not going to go over well. That's a bit of a safety issue. They might get a lot of false information. I know I won't be going out to sports lounges anymore if I have to give information.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on July 22, 2020, 09:35:57 PM
Post by: Anonymous on July 22, 2020, 09:35:57 PM
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on July 23, 2020, 12:33:03 PM
Post by: Anonymous on July 23, 2020, 12:33:03 PM
The Germans and Danes opened back up in May. First they reopened elementary schools, then junior and senior highs. In most cases, there were few consequences for students, staff or families.
There were infections, of course, but not many. Few grew seriously ill and there were few examples of community spread.
Last month, 1,500 members of the Royal College of Paediatrics and Child Health in the U.K. signed a letter urging the British government to reopen schools this fall or risk "scarring the life chances of a generation of young people."
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on July 26, 2020, 11:14:18 AM
Post by: Anonymous on July 26, 2020, 11:14:18 AM
Almost 40 countries have reported record single-day increases in coronavirus infections over the past week, around double the number that did so the previous week, according to a Reuters tally.
Germany may introduce compulsory coronavirus testing for holidaymakers returning from high-risk destinations after the number of new infections in the country hit a twomonth high, the health minister said.
British Prime Minister Boris Johnson, criticized for acting too slowly in the pandemic, said Friday there may have been things he could have done differently.
The United States recorded more than 1,000 COVID-19 deaths for the fourth straight day on Friday but a top White House adviser on the pandemic said she saw signs the worst could be over in southern and western states.
Mexico City's mayor warned of a possible resurgence of cases in the sprawling capital in the coming months, noting that hospitalizations have been on the rise in recent days.
South Korea reported 113 new cases on Saturday, the largest single-day increase in almost four months, and officials warned the upward trajectory could continue as people carrying the disease enter the country from abroad.
Three members of the South African women's cricket team were tested positive for the coronavirus ahead of assembling for a training camp to prepare a proposed tour of England.
A senior Lebanese official said he found out during a lunch with visiting French Foreign Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian that he had tested positive for COVID-19.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on August 06, 2020, 09:15:09 PM
Post by: Anonymous on August 06, 2020, 09:15:09 PM
Stress from the coronavirus pandemic may be breaking people's hearts.
Cardiologists in Ohio have found that the number of patients experiencing Takotsubo cardiomyopathy, or broken heart syndrome, increased four-to-five fold during the coronavirus pandemic compared with pre-pandemic levels, according to a small new study.
Broken heart syndrome is typically brought on by extreme physical or emotional distress, and can cause heart muscles to suddenly weaken, according to a Live Science report. The symptoms can be similar to those of a heart attack, including chest pain and shortness of breath, according to the report.
The causes of broken heart syndrome aren't known, but it's thought that physically or emotionally stressful events can cause the body to release stress hormones that temporarily reduce the heart's ability to pump normally, according to a statement.
The pandemic has led to "multiple levels of stress in people's lives across the country and world," study co-author Dr. Ankur Kalra, a Cleveland Clinic cardiologist in the Sections of Invasive and Interventional Cardiology and Regional Cardiovascular Medicine, said in the statement. "People are not only worried about themselves or their families becoming ill, they are dealing with economic and emotional issues, societal problems and potential loneliness and isolation."
In the new study, Kalra and his team analyzed data from 258 patients who came to the Cleveland Clinic and Cleveland Clinic Akron General with acute coronary syndrome (ACS) between March 1 and April 30, corresponding to the time period when the pandemic was first taking off in the U.S. They then compared these patients with four control groups of ACS patients who came to the clinics before the pandemic: from the beginning of March to the end of April of 2018, the beginning of January to the end of February of 2019, from the beginning of March to the end of April of 2019 and the beginning of January to the end of February of 2020.
The researchers found that 7.8% of ACS patients were diagnosed with broken heart syndrome during the pandemic, compared with 1.5% to 1.8% before the pandemic. What's more, they found that patients who had broken heart syndrome during the pandemic stayed at the hospital for longer than those in the pre-pandemic groups.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on August 13, 2020, 04:48:10 PM
Post by: Anonymous on August 13, 2020, 04:48:10 PM
Sweden's economy has fared better during the peak three months of the coronavirus pandemic than the European average, the country's statistics agency has reported, adding to growing evidence that the decision to avoid a full lockdown is paying economic dividends.
The country's gross domestic product (GDP) fell by 8.6 per cent in April and June, compared to the preceding three months, Statistics Sweden reported.
The average drop of the ten member states who have so far submitted flash estimates for the three months is 11.9 per cent, the EU's statistics agency reported last week. Spain, France and Italy did still worse, with their economies contracting by 18.5, 13.8, and 12.4 percent respectively.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on August 19, 2020, 10:32:56 PM
Post by: Anonymous on August 19, 2020, 10:32:56 PM
With the school year set to begin the first week of September, ATA president Jason Schilling says the government should postpone classes until at least Sept. 8. At that point, Schilling says individual schools should be left to decide if they're ready to reopen.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Gaon on August 23, 2020, 12:33:19 PM
Post by: Gaon on August 23, 2020, 12:33:19 PM
How are 10,000 monthly child deaths in developing world from starvation d/t illogical global #COVID19 lockdowns & 100,000,000 innocent people estimated to succumb to poverty & suffer/die in developing world due to the developed world's illogical lockdowns not a horrific genocide?
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Gaon on August 23, 2020, 12:58:40 PM
Post by: Gaon on August 23, 2020, 12:58:40 PM
Pandemic-related lockdowns in developing countries may reduce 100 million people to grinding poverty while causing suffering and death on a scale that may dwarf the human effects of the CCP virus that causes the disease COVID-19, sources say.
Experts say that in recent years, growing economic freedom has lifted huge segments of the world population out of destitution.
"Over the last 25 years, more than a billion people have lifted themselves out of extreme poverty, and the global poverty rate is now lower than it has ever been in recorded history," World Bank Group President Jim Yong Kim said in 2018. "This is one of the greatest human achievements of our time."
Steven J. Allen, distinguished senior fellow at the think tank Capital Research Center, told The Epoch Times that the effect of the spread of free markets "on the poorest people, has been to raise them out of poverty, and then, this comes along and just knocks them right back down."
The lockdowns "don't appear to have had any positive effect in terms of stopping the virus," added Allen, who earned a doctorate in biodefense from George Mason University.
"Progressives [who have supported the lockdowns more strongly than conservatives] never really think about the impact their policies have on those who can't afford them. It's going to take years to recover from this."
The outlook for the economy is grim, according to Kenneth Rogoff, the Thomas D. Cabot professor of public policy and professor of economics at Harvard University. The "economic catastrophe" caused by the pandemic is "likely to rival or exceed that of any recession in the last 150 years," he wrote in April.
Extreme Poverty
Poverty shortens lifespans, experts say. COVID-19 and the tough governmental responses to the pandemic appear poised to set back the struggle against acute poverty by years, as the world braces for what could be the first increase in extreme poverty in 22 years, according to an Associated Press report underwritten by the Pulitzer Center on Crisis Reporting.
The global extreme poverty rate plunged to 10 percent in 2015 from 36 percent in 1990 as the pool of very poor people shrank to 736 million from about 2 billion, according to World Bank data. This means that around 736 million people–half of whom are concentrated in Bangladesh, Congo, Ethiopia, India, and Nigeria—were scraping by on under $1.90 a day, the so-called international poverty line, as of 2015.
Policy experts worry that the pandemic and the accompanying restrictions aimed at mitigating it could drag 100 million people around the world back below the international poverty line, according to the World Bank.
"For well-off people in wealthy countries, the lockdowns are an annoyance and a bore. The lockdowns are a disaster for poor people in poor countries," said Myron Ebell, director of the Center for Energy and Environment at the Competitive Enterprise Institute, a think tank.
"Decades of progress in lessening hunger and raising living standards are being wiped out by these criminally insane lockdowns," he told The Epoch Times.
"In the short term, I wouldn't be surprised if there is widespread hunger and even starvation in some poor countries. And it could take a decade or longer to overcome the economic devastation caused by the Wuhan virus panic."
Some of the economic problems in countries outside the United States can be traced to weakness in the U.S. economy, said economist Christos A. Makridis, a research assistant professor at the W.P. Carey School of Business at Arizona State University.
"Supply chains across the world are so linked, so a decline in demand in the U.S. leads to even sharper declines in other countries because of their dependence on the U.S. market for their own economic activity," he told The Epoch Times.
"Declines in their economic activity imply a deterioration in their health care infrastructures, too."
History will not judge lock downs of healthy people favorably.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on August 24, 2020, 10:11:05 PM
Post by: Anonymous on August 24, 2020, 10:11:05 PM
'We all know that the prolonged lockdown is severely harmful,' White House adviser tells 'The Story'
Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden has promised to lock down the U.S. if scientists advise it, but Special Adviser to the President Dr. Scott Atlas told "The Story" Monday that prolonging lockdowns is only leading to more deaths.
"I think we all know that the prolonged lockdown is severely harmful to our country," Atlas told host Martha MacCallum. "In fact, it's killing people. We don't just talk even about the medical care that's been missed. We're not just talking about the unemployment-related suicides and other harms. We have the latest data from the CDC that showed that there's a massive increase in people with psychiatric illness and depressive and anxiety disorders."
According to CDC data, more than 25% of Americans between the ages of 18 and 25 have contemplated suicide in the last 30 days. Atlas said President Trump is carrying out policy that is "strategic and appropriate" to protect the vulnerable since this has "really got to end."
"It's not about all the cases that's the most important metric," he said. "It's about saving lives by protecting the vulnerable, by preventing hospital overcrowding ... and by opening the economy, opening the schools. Because American lives are being destroyed."
Atlas noted that nations like the U.K. are already realizing that keeping people locked down is an inappropriate use of policy and stated that the fatality rate in the U.S. from the coronavirus has dropped by 90% percent since the peak of the pandemic in April.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on August 26, 2020, 02:50:49 PM
Post by: Anonymous on August 26, 2020, 02:50:49 PM
A basket of worries—spurred by anxieties related to job security, financial instability, grief from death, or loneliness—are plaguing an increasing number of Americans living amid the COVID-19 pandemic and its shutdown measures.
Among 5,412 Americans surveyed at the end of June, 41 percent reported at least one adverse mental or behavioral health condition, according to an Aug. 14 Morbidity and Mortality report by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC). The number is higher among younger adults between the ages of 18 and 24, with 75 percent of respondents reporting experiencing at least one condition.
Dr. Carla Marie Manly, a clinical psychologist who specializes in stress and anxiety, has noticed "a huge surge in depression, suicidality, and anxiety during the pandemic," she told The Epoch Times. Manly has participated in a number of programs to help those affected, including virtual group sessions, free mental health videos, and individual therapy work.
Just over 10 percent of adults reported seriously considering suicide in the previous 30 days before June, the CDC said, approximately twice the number reported in 2018.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on September 04, 2020, 02:52:32 PM
Post by: Anonymous on September 04, 2020, 02:52:32 PM
How has COVID-19 impacted global food supplies?
The media are beginning to report on the possibility of a global famine because of COVID-19.
To help us understand this issue, let's break it down into three parts:
1. What are the signs this might happen in Canada?
2. What are the worstcase scenarios?
3. How would it end and what could we have done differently?
The warning signs are not new.
Because of the financial hardship imposed on them by the COVID-19 recession, many farmers have been compelled to either not plant crops or throw them away.
In Canada, agricultural organizations have been railing against the federal government for a lack of financial support.
Our governments have been pushing nationalist economic policies such as "Buy Canadian" and "we can make anything in Ontario".
This implies we don't want to have to trade for these goods anymore.
Meanwhile, the conditions for panic among the population are increasing.
Grocery prices for consumers are up significantly.
Another sign is that food costs for restaurants, for those who have survived so far during the pandemic, are also rapidly increasing.
For some restaurants in the GTA, these costs have nearly doubled.
Trust in government is low, making a coordinated societal response to a crisis like a food shortage harder to implement.
Finally, many people are psychologically drained and frustrated from having to deal with so many different problems at once during the pandemic, from the loss of employment, to social isolation, to keeping their family safe, to the rising cost of food, and more.
When concern about the food supply becomes a political issue, even if the perception doesn't match the reality, governments typically respond by saying they have everything under control.
What else can they say, really?
Even if there isn't an actual food shortage, the perception that there is one can prompt similar behaviours, some far more extreme than hoarding.
Some people will say, "I don't believe you" when the government says it has everything under control and will decide instead to take matters into their own hands, often exhibiting erratic behaviour.
So what would happen in a climate of fear about a famine, real or perceived? For some context here, in my field of emergency planning, the fundamental principle is to "hope for the best, plan for the worst".
In this scenario, some people will start growing their own food.
But the problem for families and individuals in urban or suburban communities is that there is not enough land and technology available for families to become self-sustaining.
In a genuine food crisis, many people will become desperate and do anything to help themselves and their families survive.
If people are worried about how much food they will have to get through the next few days, the consequences of their actions over the next few years become irrelevant to them.
There will be calls for draconian measures to control the food supply and ration it to the public until the supply chain recovers.
But measures like that could have secondary consequences that would disrupt the supply chain even more.
Plus, in the current volatile political climate, imposing food rationing on Canadians would be a less than ideal initiative.
The reality is that even if we have a famine, or a perceived one, the country and the agricultural industry as a whole will eventually recover.
It might not be the same farmers or the same types of farms that survive, but demand for food will always be there and will increase over time, making farms more profitable.
People in my industry recommend that governments and companies need to consider serious resiliency and contingency planning before there's a crisis.
But the vast majority of them do not take it seriously, and we have seen the results.
Almost six months since the start of the pandemic, school boards are still scrambling on issues such as whether they will have enough school buses to safely open this fall.
We're still debating the obvious importance of mask wearing during a pandemic.
And we all know about the horrific tragedies in many long-term-care homes.
Let's hope we learn how to plan ahead before we run out of food.
Vezina is the CEO of Prepared Canada Corp. and has a graduate degree in disaster and emergency management
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on September 15, 2020, 08:22:42 PM
Post by: Anonymous on September 15, 2020, 08:22:42 PM
On Monday, more than a few Ontarians reacted with alarm to the news that their province was reporting over 300 new COVID-19 cases that day.
Throughout most of the summer, the cases hovered in the 100s or 200s. For a week, they were even under 100. That's why, psychologically speaking, crossing the 300 threshold might frighten some.
It clearly troubled Premier Doug Ford, who mused at a press conference that he would not shy away from a return to some form of lockdown.
A similar conversation is playing out across the country, as the national case count has begun to rise again. British Columbia has gone so far as to roll back the re-opening of nightclubs and banquet halls.
Prime Minister Justin Trudeau likewise threatened Canadians with a second halting of their liberties.
"We are not out of the woods," Trudeau said. "The last thing anyone wants is to go into this fall in a lockdown similar to this spring. The way we can prevent that is by remaining vigilant."
We agree that vigilance is key, but the notion of a second wave of lockdowns is unacceptable, on a number of fronts.
For starters, the public will not accept it. Protests are already flaring up across the world against over-reaching restrictions imposed on the public by their governments.
Also, the situation in Canada just doesn't warrant it.
While cases are rising again, they are nowhere near what they were during the peak in April and May.
Also, that peak was never as high as government modelling projected.
We were told the original motivation for the lockdowns was to take a few weeks to grab our bearings and make sure we don't overwhelm the health-care system and better learn how to grapple with COVID-19.
That was a wise plan of action, which we supported at the time. Things are very different now though.
Government needs to do a better job finding out exactly what type of gatherings are causing the virus to spread and then communicating that effectively to the public. Right now, they are doing a poor job of that.
Let's keep wearing our masks, washing our hands and practising social distancing. But let's put the brakes on this talk of lockdowns.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on September 20, 2020, 01:37:41 PM
Post by: Anonymous on September 20, 2020, 01:37:41 PM
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: cc on September 20, 2020, 01:50:50 PM
Post by: cc on September 20, 2020, 01:50:50 PM
No surprise as opening up more and more takes place
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on September 20, 2020, 01:55:04 PM
Post by: Anonymous on September 20, 2020, 01:55:04 PM
By former federal PC cabinet minister, Perrin Beatty who is now president and CEO of the Canadian Chamber of Commerce
Winter is coming and without help from Ottawa it will be particularly bleak for restaurants across Canada.
Simply put, the situation is dire, with a majority of restaurants risking having to close permanently this fall.
Right now, there is a trifecta of bad news: patios are closing, there is no prospect of office or holiday parties coming in, and government programs are not designed for the unique, long-term situation facing restaurants.
According to an analysis by the Canadian Chamber of Commerce of data collected by Statistics Canada, 60% of restaurants could be forced to close by November. Moreover, Restaurants Canada data show that in March 10% of all Canadian restaurants were already permanently shuttered, with thousands more reported to be out of business since then. Those findings suggest a further 50% expect to operate at unsustainable losses for at least a year.
The food service industry in Canada typically employs 1.2 million Canadians, generates approximately $93 billion in gross revenue and pays about $30 billion in wages and benefits to Canadians. According to Labour Force Survey data from Statistics Canada, the industry remains 260,000 employees below normal for full service restaurants alone, which is far worse than other sectors of the Canadian economy.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: cc on September 20, 2020, 02:08:19 PM
Post by: cc on September 20, 2020, 02:08:19 PM
What is a total surprise to me as our infection numbers rise is that hospitalization and ICU rate is increasing much faster than the infection rate
That defies my logic as most bar & restaurant patrons now are the young .. older people tending to avoid groups of people
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on September 20, 2020, 02:13:41 PM
Post by: Anonymous on September 20, 2020, 02:13:41 PM
There seems no answer for restaurants and / or bars this winter.
What is a total surprise to me as our infection numbers rise is that hospitalization and ICU rate is increasing much faster than the infection rate
That defies my logic as most bar & restaurant patrons now are the young .. older people tending to avoid groups of people
It seems your province is an outlier. We are leading Canada in the number of daily new infections, but I heard on talk radio our hospitalization rate is down.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on September 23, 2020, 09:36:44 PM
Post by: Anonymous on September 23, 2020, 09:36:44 PM
WASHINGTON—The U.S. economy has bounced back strongly from the pandemic-induced plunge, supported by unprecedented monetary and fiscal responses. The faster-than-expected rebound has helped markets recover in a remarkably short period of time.
U.S. indices posted their best August performance in decades. Investors, however, have turned nervous this month, with Europe starting to see a sharp increase in CCP virus cases. Uncertainty surrounding the next stimulus package and the political battle to replace the late Supreme Court Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg have also brought additional worries.
COVID-19 cases and possible shutdowns pose the biggest risk to markets, according to Sameer Samana, a senior global market strategist at Wells Fargo Investment Institute.
"But it seems like the threshold for broad shutdowns like last spring remains fairly low," he told The Epoch Times in an email.
In Europe, the number of new cases has started to rise again, especially in the UK, France, and Spain. The UK government has started to impose new restrictions, such as forcing pubs, bars, and restaurants to close at 10 p.m. Germany's top virologist last week warned that the country could also implement restrictions.
Analysts are confident that the virus is growing less deadly, in part due to advances in COVID-19 treatments that reduce its severity. They, therefore, believe that another round of broad shutdowns in the United States remains unlikely.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: cc on September 23, 2020, 10:00:38 PM
Post by: cc on September 23, 2020, 10:00:38 PM
Checking my daily spreadsheet, numbers in south I have been tracking past cpl of months are down a lot- a good thing
It took just over 2 months and is still producing cases and deaths - not sure if or how much they tightened up during that time frame
Total US, Florida & Georgia are coming down fairly fast - Texas coming down not so fast
With the country's coronavirus epicenter now hovering over the Midwest, the number of states "at a tipping point" for COVID-19 infections has jumped from one to six in the past week.
Americans who live in 33 states — two-thirds of the country — should not be traveling right now, according to the risk-assessment map run by the Harvard Global Health Institute and Brown School of Public Health. The color-coded map provides a simple way for Americans to assess that risk. Each state has a rating of green, yellow, orange or red, based upon the number of new daily cases of Covid-19 per 100,000 people over a seven-day rolling average. States colored red or orange are over the threshold for allowing non-essential travel, according to the scientists.
Based on the tracker's latest data, six states — North Dakota, Wisconsin, South Dakota, Arkansas, Missouri and Oklahoma — are now colored red, which means they have 25 or more new positive Covid-19 cases every day per 100,000 people. Those states are "at a tipping point" and should be under stay-at-home orders, according to the Harvard and Brown researchers.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Frood on September 23, 2020, 10:11:59 PM
Post by: Frood on September 23, 2020, 10:11:59 PM
There are so many costs to this covid bullshit being foisted on us by incompetent micro dicked dictators and their pigs in blue...
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on September 23, 2020, 10:24:49 PM
Post by: Anonymous on September 23, 2020, 10:24:49 PM
Something I've been noticing are the huge number of vehicle breakdowns due to the mechanics and service centre closures... late model cars on the sides of roads, freight trucks too.... all with their bonnets up... people are driving their vehicles till they seize up. My wife had a coolant leak last week and overheated her motor. That wouldn't have happened it our dictator allowed general servicing. She was 10k over the specified interval. It's going to need a reconditioned swap out now.
There are so many costs to this covid bullshit being foisted on us by incompetent micro dicked dictators and their pigs in blue...
Your lock down is way too harsh. It is totally unreasonable.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Frood on September 23, 2020, 10:47:48 PM
Post by: Frood on September 23, 2020, 10:47:48 PM
Something I've been noticing are the huge number of vehicle breakdowns due to the mechanics and service centre closures... late model cars on the sides of roads, freight trucks too.... all with their bonnets up... people are driving their vehicles till they seize up. My wife had a coolant leak last week and overheated her motor. That wouldn't have happened it our dictator allowed general servicing. She was 10k over the specified interval. It's going to need a reconditioned swap out now.
There are so many costs to this covid bullshit being foisted on us by incompetent micro dicked dictators and their pigs in blue...
Your lock down is way too harsh. It is totally unreasonable.
It's a weekly thing now:
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on September 24, 2020, 06:53:37 AM
Post by: Anonymous on September 24, 2020, 06:53:37 AM
Something I've been noticing are the huge number of vehicle breakdowns due to the mechanics and service centre closures... late model cars on the sides of roads, freight trucks too.... all with their bonnets up... people are driving their vehicles till they seize up. My wife had a coolant leak last week and overheated her motor. That wouldn't have happened it our dictator allowed general servicing. She was 10k over the specified interval. It's going to need a reconditioned swap out now.
There are so many costs to this covid bullshit being foisted on us by incompetent micro dicked dictators and their pigs in blue...
Your lock down is way too harsh. It is totally unreasonable.
It's a weekly thing now:https://youtu.be/IP4k1aJpIcM
They took him down like he was armed.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Frood on September 24, 2020, 07:20:59 AM
Post by: Frood on September 24, 2020, 07:20:59 AM
Something I've been noticing are the huge number of vehicle breakdowns due to the mechanics and service centre closures... late model cars on the sides of roads, freight trucks too.... all with their bonnets up... people are driving their vehicles till they seize up. My wife had a coolant leak last week and overheated her motor. That wouldn't have happened it our dictator allowed general servicing. She was 10k over the specified interval. It's going to need a reconditioned swap out now.
There are so many costs to this covid bullshit being foisted on us by incompetent micro dicked dictators and their pigs in blue...
Your lock down is way too harsh. It is totally unreasonable.
It's a weekly thing now:https://youtu.be/IP4k1aJpIcM
They took him down like he was armed.
They took him down because he wasn't an Australian mainstream presenter and has reported unfavourably on the situation.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on September 24, 2020, 09:47:06 AM
Post by: Anonymous on September 24, 2020, 09:47:06 AM
Something I've been noticing are the huge number of vehicle breakdowns due to the mechanics and service centre closures... late model cars on the sides of roads, freight trucks too.... all with their bonnets up... people are driving their vehicles till they seize up. My wife had a coolant leak last week and overheated her motor. That wouldn't have happened it our dictator allowed general servicing. She was 10k over the specified interval. It's going to need a reconditioned swap out now.
There are so many costs to this covid bullshit being foisted on us by incompetent micro dicked dictators and their pigs in blue...
Your lock down is way too harsh. It is totally unreasonable.
It's a weekly thing now:https://youtu.be/IP4k1aJpIcM
They took him down like he was armed.
They took him down because he wasn't an Australian mainstream presenter and has reported unfavourably on the situation.
Prog money and power hates when average people exercise their basic human rights.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on September 27, 2020, 09:25:10 PM
Post by: Anonymous on September 27, 2020, 09:25:10 PM
BUENOS AIRES — Argentina´s novel coronavirus infections were poised to top 700,000 on Saturday as new daily infections and deaths hit the top five globally, Reuters data showed, despite seven months of quarantine that have ravaged the frail economy.
Argentina reported a rolling seven-day average of 11,082 new cases daily, behind only India, the United States, France and Brazil, all countries with far larger populations than the South American nation. Argentina's average daily death toll this week hit 365.
Carlos Landa, a 45-yearold archaeologist from Buenos Aires who contracted coronavirus said the virus had exposed once again the perils of the ailing economy and health care systems, he said.
"Everything is uncertain," he said.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on September 27, 2020, 09:27:36 PM
Post by: Anonymous on September 27, 2020, 09:27:36 PM
Crowds demand PM's resignation after Israel tightens restrictions
JERUSALEM — Crowds protested outside Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's home on Saturday demanding he quit over his handling of COVID-19 - many angered by what they said were government attempts to use lockdown measures to stifle demonstrations.
Long lines of cars drove along the main highway to Jerusalem in a protest convoy and groups gathered on bridges and junctions in other cities, also demonstrating about corruption charges against Netanyahu — charges he denies.
The protests came a day after the government tightened COVID-19 lockdown restrictions, though parliament failed to pass one measure to restrict citizens' protests to within one km of their homes.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on October 01, 2020, 03:17:26 PM
Post by: Anonymous on October 01, 2020, 03:17:26 PM
As the number of confirmed cases of COVID-19 continues to inch up across Canada, so do the number of voices calling for a return to some form of lockdown.
Every province has their own unique concerns, with some jurisdictions harder hit than others.
Three parts of Quebec have now been placed under what's called a "red-zone alert", where restrictions have been tightened and residents are barred from having visitors at their homes.
There are calls for Ontario to plunge itself into lockdown again, after the province has seen several days of high case numbers.
Not everyone believes lockdowns are the right way forward. And not just laypersons. Medical experts are also stepping forward to question the value of lockdowns.
On Tuesday,
The letter contains many words of wisdom that are worth repeating.
"A full accounting of the implications on health and well-being must be included in the models, and be brought forward for public debate. Hard data now exist showing the significant negative health effects shutting down society has caused."
These experts bring up the need to protect the most vulnerable, make sure our kids can still go to school and address the growing health crises brought on by the lockdowns, which ranges from increased opioid deaths to cancelled medical procedures.
They also note that Canada's COVID-19 conversation should be an open debate: "All have the right to feel their voices have been heard, and moreover to ensure factual credible data is openly debated, in contrast to the personal and political slants that have had apparent significant impacts on the management of the virus to date."
They close in noting: "Our society has borne enormous pain over the past six months. It's time to do something different."
It's refreshing to hear such a holistic perspective that strives to factor in all the societal elements of COVID-19.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: cc on October 01, 2020, 04:40:16 PM
Post by: cc on October 01, 2020, 04:40:16 PM
If Ontario does endure another lockdown, the sad truth is it very much might be welcomed by the public, according to government polling obtained by theToronto Sun.
A total of 85% across Ontario support "moving back to Stage 2 and closing some businesses and services should COVID-19 cases continue to rise in the province." That breaks down as 50% strongly supporting and 35% somewhat supporting.
The support for closing down businesses extends across men and women, all age groups and across voters in urban, suburban and rural ridings. Bottom line, the people want to shut things down again if case numbers don't stop rising.
Those findings make this week's numbers all the more problematic for those of us who think it's the wrong way to go. The public has been fed a steady diet of case numbers without context, hitting 700 new cases on Monday and 554 new cases on Tuesday.
These kinds of numbers, as well as facts like 79% of new cases reported on Tuesday were in the three hotspots of Toronto, Peel and Ottawa, should make people feel better about how things are going. The sad truth is most will never hear that.
What they will hear is that cases are up and they will want to close down.
The poll, which focuses heavily on what kind of activities people are willing to take part in, shows a reluctance to do much of anything outside of the home.
Ford has said he doesn't want to go back into a lockdown or return to Stage 2 unless he has to. He shouldn't want to because the impact will be massive and the data doesn't support such a move.
With overwhelming pressure, though, and a public that seems to welcome the idea, I'd say it is only a matter of time.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: cc on October 01, 2020, 06:24:32 PM
Post by: cc on October 01, 2020, 06:24:32 PM
The biggest fear in the next few months ought to be an overreaction that further restricts personal freedoms and economic activity without the facts to justify it
Ontario Premier Doug Ford has cast himself as the province's COVID-19 frightener-in-chief. That's not useful, not well-supported by the facts, and it undermines everything his government has been trying to do.
On Monday, Ford said the 700 new cases announced that day were "deeply disturbing," and that the province was now in a second wave that "will be more complicated, more complex. It will be worse than the first wave we faced earlier this year." Then he topped that by saying the wave could turn into a "tsunami" if people didn't follow proper COVID safety procedures.
Ford offered nothing to back up his dire predictions, but the thought was that Wednesday's release of the province's latest COVID modelling projection would do that for him. It did not. Instead, the presentation by provincial health experts was a balanced and detailed analysis of a potential problem.
The daily case count is always the number that makes headlines in this pandemic. It means a lot less than one might think. Daily numbers that are about as high as last spring's peak suggest that we're right back where we started, but we're not. Testing volume now is four times as great as it was back then. More tests equal more cases. More important is the percentage of tests that yield a positive result. In the spring it was 7.5 per cent. Now, it's 1.5 per cent. If Ontario had the testing capacity in the spring that it has now, the first wave's numbers would easily have dwarfed those we are seeing this week.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on October 01, 2020, 08:15:29 PM
Post by: Anonymous on October 01, 2020, 08:15:29 PM
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Gaon on October 01, 2020, 11:53:51 PM
Post by: Gaon on October 01, 2020, 11:53:51 PM
Israel's infection rate is one the highest in the world on a per capita basis.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on October 02, 2020, 04:53:13 PM
Post by: Anonymous on October 02, 2020, 04:53:13 PM
Do we really need to return to pandemic lockdowns?
Quebec has basically reintroduced a form of lockdowns in its largest cities.
In Montreal and Quebec City, it is now illegal to have people from another address in your home, unless they are a caregiver or tradesperson.
And if they are a plumber or electrician or furnace tech, there may only be one in your home at a time.
I guess any leak or short circuit that is a two-person job will have to wait until the second wave has passed.
Bars in those cities are closed for a month and restaurants are limited to takeout only.
The Ontario government is also talking about stepping back from its third-stage reopenings to something approaching its first, limited relaunch from last spring.
Yet remember, while infections have risen noticeably in the past two weeks, on a per capita basis neither province has outbreaks even half as bad as in March and April.
When leaders talk about "following the science," they also have to heed their own advice when the science shows the situation is much better — so far — than during the first wave.
For one thing, we know a lot more about the virus than we did six months ago. We're better at treating it, isolating those who have it and tracing people they've been in contact with.
Deaths are mainly among the very old, the institutionalized and those who are extremely sick.
But even among those patients, the pandemic is now only about one-third as deadly as it once was.
That's not to say we can write off our most vulnerable citizens. However, it means we maybe don't need to adopt drastic, society- wide and economy-wide measures if most of the people with new infections are younger and unlikely to get really sick.
Alberta's numbers, while higher than in June, are stable — in the mid-100s most days. And increases since June are consistent with the increased personal movement since lockdowns ended. Schools are open, more people are working in offices, some people are taking short vacations inside Alberta and most are no longer going out only once a week to shop for groceries.
Hospitalizations are stable, ICU admissions are low — and those are more significant numbers than the raw numbers of active cases.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on October 06, 2020, 10:52:09 PM
Post by: Anonymous on October 06, 2020, 10:52:09 PM
Singapore will offer a one-time payment to aspiring parents during the coronavirus pandemic.
The country's deputy prime minister said the incentive would help reassure people who face financial pressure and are worried about their jobs.
"We have received feedback that COVID-19 has caused some aspiring parents to postpone their parenthood plans," Heng Swee Keat told lawmakers on Monday.
"This is fully understandable, especially when they face uncertainty with their income," he added.
Heng said the payment would help parents with expenses, but he did not confirm how much would be paid out.
Despite a largely successful public health response to the pandemic, Singapore's economy has been thrown into a deep recession.
GDP likely shrank 12.6% in the second quarter compared to the same time the previous year, marking "the steepest drop on record," according to economists.
Singapore has one of the lowest birth rates in the world, a statistic that successive governments have attempted unsuccessfully to reverse.
The fertility rate now stands at just 1.14 births per woman, according to its national statistics body.
That places it level with Hong Kong, according to the World Bank. Only South Korea and the U.S. territory of Puerto Rico have lower rates.
Singapore has struggled to reverse the trend since the 1980s, with public campaigns encouraging childbirth and a host of financial and tax incentives unable to stop its slump.
"Like many developed countries, Singapore's key population challenges are our low fertility and an ageing population," the government wrote in a 2011 report. "Our aim is to achieve a sustainable population that supports both economic growth and social cohesion, so that Singapore remains vibrant and liveable."
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on October 09, 2020, 07:53:56 AM
Post by: Anonymous on October 09, 2020, 07:53:56 AM
More than 14,000 scientists and medical practitioners have signed a petition against lockdown measures put in place to curb the spread of COVID-19, the disease caused by the CCP (Chinese Communist Party) virus, saying that they are causing "irreparable damage."
As of Oct. 8, more than 9,400 medical practitioners and 4,900 medical and public health scientists have joined more than 120,000 members of the general public in signing the petition, which was created on Oct. 4 and co-authored by Harvard professor of medicine Dr. Martin Kulldorff, Oxford professor Dr. Sunetra Gupta, and Stanford Medical School professor Dr. Jay Bhattacharya.
"As infectious disease epidemiologists and public health scientists we have grave concerns about the damaging physical and mental health impacts of the prevailing COVID-19 policies, and recommend an approach we call Focused Protection," reads the petition, which is titled the Great Barrington Declaration, after the Massachusetts town where it was signed.
The petition calls for an end to current lockdown policies, saying that they are producing "devastating effects" on short- and long-term public health.
Some of these devastating effects, the doctors wrote, include lower childhood vaccination rates, worsening cardiovascular disease outcomes, fewer cancer screenings, and deteriorating mental health. They argue that this will, in the future, lead to greater excess mortality, with the working class and younger generation "carrying the heaviest burden."
"Keeping students out of school is a grave injustice," the petition continues. "Keeping these measures in place until a vaccine is available will cause irreparable damage, with the underprivileged disproportionately harmed."
They instead insist on an approach that instead focuses on protecting the most vulnerable, while working toward achieving so-called herd immunity, which they describe as "Focused Protection."
"The most compassionate approach that balances the risks and benefits of reaching herd immunity is to allow those who are at minimal risk of death to live their lives normally to build up immunity to the virus through natural infection, while better protecting those who are at highest risk," the doctors state.
"Those who are not vulnerable should immediately be allowed to resume life as normal," the petition adds.
Hygiene measures including staying at home when unwell and frequent hand washing can help achieve the goal of herd immunity, the petition states. Young "low-risk" adults meanwhile return to the office rather than working from home, it adds.
"Restaurants and other businesses should open. Arts, music, sport, and other cultural activities should resume," the doctors advise. "People who are more at risk may participate if they wish, while society as a whole enjoys the protection conferred upon the vulnerable by those who have built up herd immunity."
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on October 09, 2020, 08:37:14 AM
Post by: Anonymous on October 09, 2020, 08:37:14 AM
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on October 14, 2020, 01:12:29 PM
Post by: Anonymous on October 14, 2020, 01:12:29 PM
Former U.S. Treasury Secretary Lawrence Summers and fellow Harvard University economist David Cutler argued in an essay on Oct. 12 that the pandemic will end up costing the United States $16 trillion, around four times the toll exacted by the 2007–2009 Great Recession.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Gaon on October 28, 2020, 07:57:16 PM
Post by: Gaon on October 28, 2020, 07:57:16 PM
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on October 28, 2020, 08:32:19 PM
Post by: Anonymous on October 28, 2020, 08:32:19 PM
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on October 28, 2020, 10:34:32 PM
Post by: Anonymous on October 28, 2020, 10:34:32 PM
I read old Freud's state, Victoria is lifting the lock down.
I just read that Melbourne was in lock down for one hundred and eleven days.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Frood on October 28, 2020, 11:13:46 PM
Post by: Frood on October 28, 2020, 11:13:46 PM
I read old Freud's state, Victoria is lifting the lock down.
Not really... Kim Jong Dan keeps reneging and walking back or halving his promises should the numbers become small... we have between 0-4 cases per day in a state of roughly 6 million and yet we still can't leave the metro area, we can travel 25k instead of 5k, and restaurants are now allowed to open with limited seating so the restaurants can run at a loss... thanks dickfaced Dan!
November 8th is the next relaxation of rules but I'm not holding my breath...this is going to go on for another year....flash lockdowns.
Just like France, Germany, the UK, et cetera... government is addicted to power.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on October 28, 2020, 11:42:23 PM
Post by: Anonymous on October 28, 2020, 11:42:23 PM
I read old Freud's state, Victoria is lifting the lock down.
Not really... Kim Jong Dan keeps reneging and walking back or halving his promises should the numbers become small... we have between 0-4 cases per day in a state of roughly 6 million and yet we still can't leave the metro area, we can travel 25k instead of 5k, andrestaurants are now allowed to open with limited seating so the restaurants can run at a loss... thanks dickfaced Dan!
November 8th is the next relaxation of rules but I'm not holding my breath...this is going to go on for another year....flash lockdowns.
Just like France, Germany, the UK, et cetera... government is addicted to power.
That's most of Canada and the US.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on October 29, 2020, 09:01:43 AM
Post by: Anonymous on October 29, 2020, 09:01:43 AM
I read old Freud's state, Victoria is lifting the lock down.
Not really... Kim Jong Dan keeps reneging and walking back or halving his promises should the numbers become small... we have between 0-4 cases per day in a state of roughly 6 million and yet we still can't leave the metro area, we can travel 25k instead of 5k, andrestaurants are now allowed to open with limited seating so the restaurants can run at a loss... thanks dickfaced Dan!
November 8th is the next relaxation of rules but I'm not holding my breath...this is going to go on for another year....flash lockdowns.
Just like France, Germany, the UK, et cetera... government is addicted to power.
That's most of Canada and the US.
Quebec and Ontario have new lock downs in a few cities I believe.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on October 31, 2020, 09:37:53 PM
Post by: Anonymous on October 31, 2020, 09:37:53 PM
From Thursday, all non-essential shops and hospitality will have to close for a month, though schools, colleges, and universities will remain open, Johnson said at a press conference in Downing Street on Saturday evening.
The new national restrictions will come into effect on Thursday, lasting until the beginning of December.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on October 31, 2020, 09:43:05 PM
Post by: Anonymous on October 31, 2020, 09:43:05 PM
Prime Minister Boris Johnson has announced a second national lockdown for England in an attempt to stem the spread of the CCP (Chinese Communist Party) virus.
From Thursday, all non-essential shops and hospitality will have to close for a month, though schools, colleges, and universities will remain open, Johnson said at a press conference in Downing Street on Saturday evening.
The new national restrictions will come into effect on Thursday, lasting until the beginning of December.
I hope there is no second lock down anywhere in Canada.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on October 31, 2020, 09:56:12 PM
Post by: Anonymous on October 31, 2020, 09:56:12 PM
Prime Minister Boris Johnson has announced a second national lockdown for England in an attempt to stem the spread of the CCP (Chinese Communist Party) virus.
From Thursday, all non-essential shops and hospitality will have to close for a month, though schools, colleges, and universities will remain open, Johnson said at a press conference in Downing Street on Saturday evening.
The new national restrictions will come into effect on Thursday, lasting until the beginning of December.
I aint surprised.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Frood on November 01, 2020, 01:33:22 AM
Post by: Frood on November 01, 2020, 01:33:22 AM
The US might escape it if Trump wins again.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on November 01, 2020, 09:12:39 AM
Post by: Anonymous on November 01, 2020, 09:12:39 AM
Dark Winter...the Great Reset is coming...
The US might escape it if Trump wins again.
Biden has said it will be dark days ahead when he wins.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Thiel on November 01, 2020, 10:06:37 AM
Post by: Thiel on November 01, 2020, 10:06:37 AM
Dark Winter...the Great Reset is coming...
The US might escape it if Trump wins again.
Biden has said it will be dark days ahead when he wins.
It will be dark clouds. His party wants a slow growth agenda.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on November 01, 2020, 05:42:27 PM
Post by: Anonymous on November 01, 2020, 05:42:27 PM
Dark Winter...the Great Reset is coming...
The US might escape it if Trump wins again.
Biden has said it will be dark days ahead when he wins.
It will be dark clouds. His party wants a slow growth agenda.
So does our prime minister.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on November 01, 2020, 07:44:16 PM
Post by: Anonymous on November 01, 2020, 07:44:16 PM
A new paper by the Committee for a Responsible Budget shows the sharp contrast between the costs of proposals from Trump and his Democratic opponent Biden.
Trump proposes additional spending and tax relief to address the pandemic and its economic effects. Trump's proposal would cost between $530 billion and $870 billion, with a central estimate of $650 billion, according to the paper.
Meanwhile, Biden's proposal to address COVID-19 requires additional spending of $2 trillion to $4.2 trillion, with a central estimate of $3.1 trillion, nearly six times more than the cost of Trump's plan.
The analysis is based on "proposals specifically put forward by the candidates" and doesn't include the amounts expressed in recent negotiations between Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin and House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.). It also doesn't include the original $3.4 trillion HEROES Act passed by House Democrats and backed by Biden.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on November 01, 2020, 08:02:23 PM
Post by: Anonymous on November 01, 2020, 08:02:23 PM
Biden's COVID-19 Response Costs 6 Times More Than Trump's Plan
A new paper by the Committee for a Responsible Budget shows the sharp contrast between the costs of proposals from Trump and his Democratic opponent Biden.
Trump proposes additional spending and tax relief to address the pandemic and its economic effects. Trump's proposal would cost between $530 billion and $870 billion, with a central estimate of $650 billion, according to the paper.
Meanwhile, Biden's proposal to address COVID-19 requires additional spending of $2 trillion to $4.2 trillion, with a central estimate of $3.1 trillion, nearly six times more than the cost of Trump's plan.
The analysis is based on "proposals specifically put forward by the candidates" and doesn't include the amounts expressed in recent negotiations between Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin and House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.). It also doesn't include the original $3.4 trillion HEROES Act passed by House Democrats and backed by Biden.https://www.theepochtimes.com/bidens-covid-response-costs-six-times-higher-than-trumps-plan_3560625.html?utm_source=hardwall&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=breaking-2020-11-01-3
Our federal spending is unsustainable too.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: sasquatch on November 02, 2020, 03:24:17 PM
Post by: sasquatch on November 02, 2020, 03:24:17 PM
Biden's COVID-19 Response Costs 6 Times More Than Trump's Plan
A new paper by the Committee for a Responsible Budget shows the sharp contrast between the costs of proposals from Trump and his Democratic opponent Biden.
Trump proposes additional spending and tax relief to address the pandemic and its economic effects. Trump's proposal would cost between $530 billion and $870 billion, with a central estimate of $650 billion, according to the paper.
Meanwhile, Biden's proposal to address COVID-19 requires additional spending of $2 trillion to $4.2 trillion, with a central estimate of $3.1 trillion, nearly six times more than the cost of Trump's plan.
The analysis is based on "proposals specifically put forward by the candidates" and doesn't include the amounts expressed in recent negotiations between Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin and House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.). It also doesn't include the original $3.4 trillion HEROES Act passed by House Democrats and backed by Biden.https://www.theepochtimes.com/bidens-covid-response-costs-six-times-higher-than-trumps-plan_3560625.html?utm_source=hardwall&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=breaking-2020-11-01-3
Our federal spending is unsustainable too.
Oh that is about right. high unemployment, spending spree, and the BoC printing money like a bastard. So, our dollar is going to be worthless after this is all said and done.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on November 03, 2020, 02:42:11 AM
Post by: Anonymous on November 03, 2020, 02:42:11 AM
Biden's COVID-19 Response Costs 6 Times More Than Trump's Plan
A new paper by the Committee for a Responsible Budget shows the sharp contrast between the costs of proposals from Trump and his Democratic opponent Biden.
Trump proposes additional spending and tax relief to address the pandemic and its economic effects. Trump's proposal would cost between $530 billion and $870 billion, with a central estimate of $650 billion, according to the paper.
Meanwhile, Biden's proposal to address COVID-19 requires additional spending of $2 trillion to $4.2 trillion, with a central estimate of $3.1 trillion, nearly six times more than the cost of Trump's plan.
The analysis is based on "proposals specifically put forward by the candidates" and doesn't include the amounts expressed in recent negotiations between Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin and House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.). It also doesn't include the original $3.4 trillion HEROES Act passed by House Democrats and backed by Biden.https://www.theepochtimes.com/bidens-covid-response-costs-six-times-higher-than-trumps-plan_3560625.html?utm_source=hardwall&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=breaking-2020-11-01-3
Our federal spending is unsustainable too.https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/entry/budget-deficit-canada_ca_5f89a94fc5b62dbe71c23326 https://spencerfernando.com/2020/09/16/canada-has-highest-unemployment-rate-in-the-g7/ https://spencerfernando.com/2020/10/07/the-bank-of-canada-is-printing-money-like-crazy/
Oh that is about right. high unemployment, spending spree, and the BoC printing money like a bastard. So, our dollar is going to be worthless after this is all said and done.
If interest rates start to rise, we're soooooo screwed.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on November 03, 2020, 09:09:36 AM
Post by: Anonymous on November 03, 2020, 09:09:36 AM
Biden's COVID-19 Response Costs 6 Times More Than Trump's Plan
A new paper by the Committee for a Responsible Budget shows the sharp contrast between the costs of proposals from Trump and his Democratic opponent Biden.
Trump proposes additional spending and tax relief to address the pandemic and its economic effects. Trump's proposal would cost between $530 billion and $870 billion, with a central estimate of $650 billion, according to the paper.
Meanwhile, Biden's proposal to address COVID-19 requires additional spending of $2 trillion to $4.2 trillion, with a central estimate of $3.1 trillion, nearly six times more than the cost of Trump's plan.
The analysis is based on "proposals specifically put forward by the candidates" and doesn't include the amounts expressed in recent negotiations between Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin and House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.). It also doesn't include the original $3.4 trillion HEROES Act passed by House Democrats and backed by Biden.https://www.theepochtimes.com/bidens-covid-response-costs-six-times-higher-than-trumps-plan_3560625.html?utm_source=hardwall&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=breaking-2020-11-01-3
Our federal spending is unsustainable too.https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/entry/budget-deficit-canada_ca_5f89a94fc5b62dbe71c23326 https://spencerfernando.com/2020/09/16/canada-has-highest-unemployment-rate-in-the-g7/ https://spencerfernando.com/2020/10/07/the-bank-of-canada-is-printing-money-like-crazy/
Oh that is about right. high unemployment, spending spree, and the BoC printing money like a bastard. So, our dollar is going to be worthless after this is all said and done.
I didn't know the BoC was printing money sasquatch....thanks for posting that..
Our future prospects keep getting worse.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on November 03, 2020, 09:46:14 AM
Post by: Anonymous on November 03, 2020, 09:46:14 AM
Biden's COVID-19 Response Costs 6 Times More Than Trump's Plan
A new paper by the Committee for a Responsible Budget shows the sharp contrast between the costs of proposals from Trump and his Democratic opponent Biden.
Trump proposes additional spending and tax relief to address the pandemic and its economic effects. Trump's proposal would cost between $530 billion and $870 billion, with a central estimate of $650 billion, according to the paper.
Meanwhile, Biden's proposal to address COVID-19 requires additional spending of $2 trillion to $4.2 trillion, with a central estimate of $3.1 trillion, nearly six times more than the cost of Trump's plan.
The analysis is based on "proposals specifically put forward by the candidates" and doesn't include the amounts expressed in recent negotiations between Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin and House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.). It also doesn't include the original $3.4 trillion HEROES Act passed by House Democrats and backed by Biden.https://www.theepochtimes.com/bidens-covid-response-costs-six-times-higher-than-trumps-plan_3560625.html?utm_source=hardwall&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=breaking-2020-11-01-3
Our federal spending is unsustainable too.https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/entry/budget-deficit-canada_ca_5f89a94fc5b62dbe71c23326 https://spencerfernando.com/2020/09/16/canada-has-highest-unemployment-rate-in-the-g7/ https://spencerfernando.com/2020/10/07/the-bank-of-canada-is-printing-money-like-crazy/
Oh that is about right. high unemployment, spending spree, and the BoC printing money like a bastard. So, our dollar is going to be worthless after this is all said and done.
I didn't know the BoC was printing money sasquatch....thanks for posting that..
:smiley_thumbs_up_yellow_ani:
Our future prospects keep getting worse.
Printing money leads to inflation, which is an implicit tax on savings.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: cc on November 13, 2020, 12:37:25 PM
Post by: cc on November 13, 2020, 12:37:25 PM
Mississippi Gov. Tate Reeves said on Thursday that his state would not participate in a national lockdown should one be issued.
Reeves comments come after an adviser to Democratic presidential candidate Joe Biden called for a national lockdown to combat the spread of the coronavirus. The Republican governor asserted he would fight any national lockdown mandate issued by a President Biden during a Facebook live session updating Mississippians on the state's coronavirus numbers, according to Mississippi's Clarion Ledger.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on November 13, 2020, 12:44:38 PM
Post by: Anonymous on November 13, 2020, 12:44:38 PM
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Mississippi Gov. Tate Reeves said on Thursday that his state would not participate in a national lockdown should one be issued.
Reeves comments come after an adviser to Democratic presidential candidate Joe Biden called for a national lockdown to combat the spread of the coronavirus. The Republican governor asserted he would fight any national lockdown mandate issued by a President Biden during a Facebook live session updating Mississippians on the state's coronavirus numbers, according to Mississippi's Clarion Ledger.
Lock downs were supposed to be a one time only thing to buy us time to find treatments and protect vulnerable populations.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on November 13, 2020, 01:12:15 PM
Post by: Anonymous on November 13, 2020, 01:12:15 PM
Alito, 70, told a Federalist Society virtual convention that "we have never before seen restrictions as severe, extensive and prolonged as those experienced, for most of 2020."
"Think of all the live events that would otherwise be protected by the right to freedom of speech: live speeches, conferences, lectures, meetings. Think of worship services, churches closed on Easter Sunday, synagogues closed for Passover on Yom Kippur. Think about access to the courts, or the constitutional right to a speedy trial. Trials in federal courts have virtually disappeared in many places. Who could have imagined that?" he said.
"Laws giving an official so much discretion, can of course, be abused," the justice said.
"And whatever one may think about the COVID restrictions, we surely don't want them to become a recurring feature after the pandemic has passed. All sorts of things can be called an emergency or disaster of major proportions. Simply slapping on that label cannot provide the ground for abrogating our most fundamental rights. And whenever fundamental rights are restricted, the Supreme Court and other courts cannot close their eyes."
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: cc on November 19, 2020, 01:35:53 PM
Post by: cc on November 19, 2020, 01:35:53 PM
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on November 19, 2020, 08:28:43 PM
Post by: Anonymous on November 19, 2020, 08:28:43 PM
https://twitter.com/RichardGrenell/status/1327702189532332032
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on November 19, 2020, 11:05:41 PM
Post by: Anonymous on November 19, 2020, 11:05:41 PM
"What they should do is, if they want to continue the trials, instead of 40,000 people why don't we make them 4 million, so at least another 3.5 million could be enrolled in the trials," he said.
"I don't see why you can't have people who voluntarily want to take it, and I think there are millions who want to take it," he added. "Let them get started and that way we can head towards immunity, combining natural immunity, and vaccinated immunity, to get to what we want to much quicker but I think waiting another four months is foolish."
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on November 19, 2020, 11:23:08 PM
Post by: Anonymous on November 19, 2020, 11:23:08 PM
Senator Rand Paul says anyone who wants to participate in the vaccine trials should be allowed to. I agree with them.
"What they should do is, if they want to continue the trials, instead of 40,000 people why don't we make them 4 million, so at least another 3.5 million could be enrolled in the trials," he said.
"I don't see why you can't have people who voluntarily want to take it, and I think there are millions who want to take it," he added. "Let them get started and that way we can head towards immunity, combining natural immunity, and vaccinated immunity, to get to what we want to much quicker but I think waiting another four months is foolish."
I'm sure millions of Canadians and Americans would volunteer to participate in stage three vaccine testing if they could.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on December 08, 2020, 11:52:20 AM
Post by: Anonymous on December 08, 2020, 11:52:20 AM
there is so much more going on in terms of widespread societal damage that our politicians are recklessly ignoring whenever they announce new restrictions on Canadians' lives.
This includes a sharp rise in thoughts of suicide across the country, according to a new release from the Canadian Mental Health Association (CMHA).
The numbers have climbed to "1 in 10 Canadians (10%) experiencing recent thoughts or feelings of suicide, up from 6% in the spring and 2.5% throughout pre-pandemic 2016."
The spring numbers come from a poll conducted in the middle of May, during the first wave. The newly released poll was conducted in the middle of September, before the second wave lockdowns began.
This means suicidal thoughts have more than doubled from a baseline number of 2.5% of Canadians in pre-pandemic times to 6% during the first wave. But now we're seeing those numbers almost double again from May to September, from 6% to 10%.
Given how tough the past few months have been – with restrictions increasing and the cold weather setting in – it stands to reason that those numbers are even higher now and will only go up.
"Cold weather, uncertainty, eroded social networks and restrictions on holiday gatherings are hitting at a time when people are already anxious, hopeless and fearful that things are going to get worse," says CMHA's National CEO, Margaret Eaton. "I am afraid that many people are in such despair that they can't see past it."
The other troubling part of the CMHA report is that while 10% of respondents have had suicidal thoughts, 4% have engaged in some form of "deliberate self-harm" in response to these thoughts.
A report published in May in the journal Psychiatry Research used modelling to project that the number of excess suicides in Canada caused by the pandemic will range from between 418 to 2,114.
While public health officials and politicians occasionally admit the broader societal toll when pressed, they mostly sidestep the issue to focus more on rising case numbers and hospitalizations, as if these are the only truly important metrics. There are really only a few outliers.
Alberta Premier Jason Kenney, to his credit, has given equal weight to the societal trauma happening all around us. For example, when he announced new restrictions for Alberta, he referenced a woman who "spoke of her husband, who had taken his own life as he faced the extreme stress, uncertainty and loss of the impacts of the restrictions we saw this past spring."
And last month, Dr. Vera Etches – Ottawa's chief medical officer – called for "a more balanced approach" citing "really signification harms from the closures and the impact on people's businesses and employment and people's mental health."
The undeniable facts now tell us that the majority of Canadians who are dying of COVID-19 are elderly persons with multiple underlying conditions who live in congregate care settings.
But it is also a fact that incidences of suicide are almost evenly spread across adult age brackets in Canada.
If you take just the projections of added suicides and cross-reference it with the number of COVID-19 deaths by age bracket, it appears that more people in their 20s, 30s and 40s will have died from lockdown-related suicide than from the virus itself.
And this is just suicides. Experts have already sounded the alarm on lockdowns causing a rise in opioid deaths as well as persons missing life-saving hospital treatments, to name just two more death tolls to be added into the mix.
A total tally of lockdown-related deaths is beyond the scope of this column but hopefully academic researchers are already taking up this important question.
The permanent closure of small businesses in our communities is indeed awful. But it may just be the tip of the iceberg when it comes to the human suffering that restrictions are causing.
It's time for politicians and health officials to stop dodging these facts.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on December 10, 2020, 12:27:23 PM
Post by: Anonymous on December 10, 2020, 12:27:23 PM
Jobs, Economy and Innovation Minister Doug Schweitzer said Tuesday that previous health restrictions in the spring led to 300,000 job losses across Alberta, of which up to 250,000 jobs have been recovered.Quote
Schweitzer said the new restrictions mean up to 40 per cent of small businesses in Alberta might not be able to turn the lights back on without government support.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on December 10, 2020, 02:22:48 PM
Post by: Anonymous on December 10, 2020, 02:22:48 PM
This is from Alberta, but Ontario's small enterprises are in the same boat.Jobs, Economy and Innovation Minister Doug Schweitzer said Tuesday that previous health restrictions in the spring led to 300,000 job losses across Alberta, of which up to 250,000 jobs have been recovered.Quote
Schweitzer said the new restrictions mean up to 40 per cent of small businesses in Alberta might not be able to turn the lights back on without government support.
Same in Manitoba.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Thiel on December 10, 2020, 10:06:57 PM
Post by: Thiel on December 10, 2020, 10:06:57 PM
And Manitiba has had over 250 deaths since the government suspended liberties and invoked a code red.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on December 10, 2020, 10:46:11 PM
Post by: Anonymous on December 10, 2020, 10:46:11 PM
The virus is too widespread in North America for even 8 week lock downs to be as effective as 4 week lock downs down under. No matter what we do, zero cases is impossible unless we unleash a continent wide COVID-19 final solution. I'm sure libtards haven't ruled that out.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on December 11, 2020, 12:17:55 AM
Post by: Anonymous on December 11, 2020, 12:17:55 AM
Stephen Duckett, who used to head Alberta Health Services gave an interview praising his Australian state's(Victoria) response and belittling Alberta and other North American jurisdictions. It's a ridiculous apples to oranges comparison. There are nearly 400 million people between our 2 countries. Australia has 25 million people and no borders and has much better control over who enters their country than Canada and the US.
The virus is too widespread in North America for even 8 week lock downs to be as effective as 4 week lock downs down under. No matter what we do, zero cases is impossible unless we unleash a continent wide COVID-19 final solution. I'm sure libtards haven't ruled that out.
Lock downs without masks worked well in March..
Lock downs with masks are not as effective in the second wave..
The virus has spread so much now.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on December 14, 2020, 05:14:28 PM
Post by: Anonymous on December 14, 2020, 05:14:28 PM
If you don't like the law, fight to change it. That includes the evershifting hodge-podge of restrictions placed on individuals and businesses in jurisdictions across this country.
Some restrictions make sense. Others, not so much. Some are just downright absurd.
Manitoba Premier Brian Pallister thinks he can beat back the scourge of COVID-19 by making retailers rope off certain shelves in their stores to limit access to what's been deemed "non-essential" products.
These are images reminiscent of former Soviet states and they have no place in Canada, even during a pandemic.
The evidence just isn't there to justify the closure of many establishments, let alone specific shelves.
Yet governments have still closed down stores in various parts of the country. They do this despite the pleas of stores to be allowed to stay open with tight restrictions, such as only allowing three customers at a time.
It's this unfair and fact-free scenario that has caused some business owners to take a stand.
One of the most famous cases of pushback in Canada to date has been that of Adamsons BBQ, which saw a disproportionate over-reaction as police on horseback stormed in to shut the place down.
But there are many other examples of retailers big and small pushing back.
Some have proudly announced their defiant re-openings, only to be shut down by the law. Others have simply skirted the rules on the sly when a customer comes knocking.
In the case of our nation's oldest company — The Hudson's Bay Company — they're taking their fight to the Ontario Superior Court.
They want the right to re-open immediately for the Christmas shopping season.
As reported by Brian Lilley, in an application filed with the court on Thursday The Bay calls the lockdown measures that shut them down "unreasonable, inconsistent with the statutory purpose, irrational, arbitrary, and leads to results incompatible with the legislative scheme." That sounds about right.
Quite a few of the restrictions across Canada aren't fair, they aren't evenly applied, they cause damage and turmoil and — here's the kicker — they likely don't even reduce the spread of the virus.
Legal challenges like The Bay's have merit.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on December 14, 2020, 05:17:03 PM
Post by: Anonymous on December 14, 2020, 05:17:03 PM
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on December 19, 2020, 05:56:31 PM
Post by: Anonymous on December 19, 2020, 05:56:31 PM
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on January 04, 2021, 03:50:53 PM
Post by: Anonymous on January 04, 2021, 03:50:53 PM
I am writing this column upon returning home to California after five days in Florida. For the first time since my first trip to Los Angeles in 1974 and moving there two years later, I dreaded going to California.
That first trip, as a 25-yearold New Yorker, I experienced the palpable excitement looking at the American Airlines flight board at JFK airport and seeing "Los Angeles." For most Americans, the very name "California" elicited excitement, wonder, even envy of Californians, and most of all ... freedom. While America always represented freedom, within America, California exemplified freedom most of all.
Yet, here I am, sitting in a state where corruption reigns (one of the leading Democrats of the last half- century told me years ago that politicians in California are window dressing; the real power in California is wielded by unions) and where, for nine months, normal life has been shut down, schools have been closed and small businesses have been destroyed in unprecedented numbers.
During these last five days in Florida, a state governed by the pro-freedom party, I went anywhere I wanted. First and foremost, I could eat both inside and outside restaurants. At one of them, when I stood up to take photos of people dining, a patron who recognized me walked over and said, "I assume you're just taking pictures of people eating in a restaurant." That's exactly what I was doing. I even took my two grandchildren to a bowling alley, which was filled with people enjoying themselves playing myriad arcade games as well as bowling.
None of that is allowed almost anywhere in California. It is becoming a police state, rooted in deception and irrationality.
Restaurants have been shut down ( except for takeout orders), even for outdoor dining, for no scientific reason. After ordering Los Angeles county restaurants closed, the health authorities of Los Angeles county acknowledged in court that they had no evidence that outdoor dining was dangerous; they ordered restaurants closed, even to outdoor dining, solely in order to keep people home.
The left's claim to "follow the science" is a lie. The left does not follow science; it follows scientists it agrees with and dismisses all other scientists as "anti-science."
Science does not say that eating inside a restaurant at least six feet from other diners, let alone outside a restaurant, is potentially fatal, but eating inside an airplane inches from strangers is safe.
Science does not say mass protests during a pandemic (when people are constantly told to social distance) are a health benefit, but left-wing scientists say they are — when directed against racism. In June, Jennifer Nuzzo, a Johns Hopkins epidemiologist, tweeted: "In this moment the public health risks of not protesting to demand an end to systemic racism greatly exceed the harms of the virus."
She cited the former head of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, Tom Frieden: "The threat to Covid control from protesting outside is tiny compared to the threat to Covid control created when governments act in ways that lose community trust. People can protest peacefully AND work together to stop Covid. Violence harms public health."
Even The New York Times, in July, acknowledged the double standard: "Public health experts decried the anti- lockdown protests as dangerous gatherings in a pandemic. Health experts seem less comfortable doing so now that the marches are against racism."
Science does not say, "Men give birth" or, "Men menstruate." But the left routinely argues that "science says" such things and that "science says" there are more than two sexes, many more.
The last time I felt I was leaving a free society and entering an unfree one was when I visited the communist countries of Eastern Europe. As a graduate student majoring in communism, during the Cold War, I would travel through the countries known as Soviet satellites: Poland, Czechoslovakia, East Germany, Hungary, Romania and Bulgaria. In the middle of my trips, I would stop in Austria to breathe free air.
Never did I imagine I would ever experience anything analogous in America, the
Land of the Free, the land of the Statue of Liberty and of the Liberty Bell. But I did yesterday, when leaving Florida and returning to California.
There is no question that America is becoming, if it hasn't already become, two countries: one that values liberty, from small businesses being allowed to operate to people being allowed to say what they believe, and one that has contempt for liberty, from eating in restaurants to free speech.
I am asked almost daily by friends around the country and by callers to my national radio show whether I intend to stay in California. Were it not for all the close friends who live here and the synagogue I and a few friends founded, the answer would be no. But at a given point, I am sure that I will leave this Soviet satellite for a free state. The bigger and far more important question is: How long will the Soviet states of America and the free states of America remain the United States of America?
After ordering Los Angeles county restaurants closed, the health authorities of Los Angeles county acknowledged in court that they had no evidence that outdoor dining was dangerous; they ordered restaurants closed, even to outdoor dining, solely in order to keep people home.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on January 05, 2021, 04:50:38 PM
Post by: Anonymous on January 05, 2021, 04:50:38 PM
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on January 05, 2021, 07:41:09 PM
Post by: Anonymous on January 05, 2021, 07:41:09 PM
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on January 05, 2021, 08:16:14 PM
Post by: Anonymous on January 05, 2021, 08:16:14 PM
Lockdown measures have been catastrophic for recovering addicts, and mental health.
There is nothing good that came out of lockdowns. Overall death rates in Manitoba are about the same in January 2021 as they were in January 2020. All that has changed is that the cause of death is now listed as Covid instead of cancer, pneumonia, coronary heart disease etc.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Thiel on January 05, 2021, 09:52:36 PM
Post by: Thiel on January 05, 2021, 09:52:36 PM
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Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on January 05, 2021, 10:00:42 PM
Post by: Anonymous on January 05, 2021, 10:00:42 PM
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This should be shared elsewhere.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on January 06, 2021, 11:51:15 AM
Post by: Anonymous on January 06, 2021, 11:51:15 AM
Restrictions imposed by B.C. to fight the spread of COVID-19 infections after the holiday break have disrupted work at construction sites of a Rio Tinto hydropower project and BC Hydro's Site C dam.
A total of five major industrial projects in remote northwestern Canada have been affected as the provincial government last week ordered them to stagger the return of their workers after the Christmas holiday break. BC Hydro's Site C dam, Rio Tinto's Kemano T2 hydropower project, the Trans Mountain pipeline expansion, TC Energy's Coastal GasLink pipeline and the Royal Dutch Shell-led LNG Canada project are named in the order. The companies did not say how the slow return of workers would impact ultimate completion dates for their projects. Across the five projects the number of workers will ramp up from a baseline of 1,460 to 4,080 by mid- February. B. C. health officer Dr. Bonnie Henry said a rapid return to full operating capacity after Christmas would likely "fuel and accelerate" the spread of COVID-19.
"While these changes will have a further impact on our overall project schedule and cost, we understand the rationale for the order," said David Conway, spokesman for the Site C project, which is already over budget.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on January 06, 2021, 12:59:54 PM
Post by: Anonymous on January 06, 2021, 12:59:54 PM
B.C.'s COVID-19 curbs slow industrial projects
Restrictions imposed by B.C. to fight the spread of COVID-19 infections after the holiday break have disrupted work at construction sites of a Rio Tinto hydropower project and BC Hydro's Site C dam.
A total of five major industrial projects in remote northwestern Canada have been affected as the provincial government last week ordered them to stagger the return of their workers after the Christmas holiday break. BC Hydro's Site C dam, Rio Tinto's Kemano T2 hydropower project, the Trans Mountain pipeline expansion, TC Energy's Coastal GasLink pipeline and the Royal Dutch Shell-led LNG Canada project are named in the order. The companies did not say how the slow return of workers would impact ultimate completion dates for their projects. Across the five projects the number of workers will ramp up from a baseline of 1,460 to 4,080 by mid- February. B. C. health officer Dr. Bonnie Henry said a rapid return to full operating capacity after Christmas would likely "fuel and accelerate" the spread of COVID-19.
"While these changes will have a further impact on our overall project schedule and cost, we understand the rationale for the order," said David Conway, spokesman for the Site C project, which is already over budget.
I would imagine most of the workers on those projects live in temporary camps, which are not conducive to social distancing.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on January 07, 2021, 02:39:05 PM
Post by: Anonymous on January 07, 2021, 02:39:05 PM
One Little Problem With The "All-Electric" Auto Fleet: What Do We Do With All The "Waste" Gasoline?
The answer is a barrel of oil produces a variety of products. While there is some "wiggle room" to produce more diesel and less gasoline, etc., it isn't possible to turn a barrel of oil into only one product.
Those demanding an all-electric auto-truck fleet as a "green" alternative will re-create the dilemma of what to do with the "waste" gasoline. The world will still want fuel for all those container ships bringing all the goodies of a consumerist society, all those cruise ships visiting ports of call, jet fuel for all those exotic vacations enabled by 550 mile-per-hour aircraft, and oil-based lubricants, plastics and petro-chemicals, and so oil will still be pumped and refined, and almost half of it will be gasoline.
Let's start with the most basic dynamics in the cost of producing oil, refining it and selling the products at a profit.
1. As a general rule, a barrel of oil (42 gallons, 196 liters) yields a range of heavier and lighter products.
The price the producers can charge for each product--gasoline, diesel fuel, heating oil, jet fuel, propane, etc.-- depends on demand for each product.
If the price for one product falls drastically, the oil producer can't increase the price of some other product to compensate for the loss of income unless demand for the other products will support higher prices.
Consider the huge decline in demand for jet fuel as a result of global air travel dropping in the pandemic. Oil producers can't just raise the price of gasoline to compensate for the drop in the price of jet fuel.
If gasoline demand continues declining (due to fewer commutes, etc.) then producers can't charge more for diesel to make up the drop in the price of gasoline.
In other words, there has to be strong demand for all the products in a barrel of oil for producers to get enough money to extract, refine and transport the products globally.
Unlike the old days when producers could afford to throw away some petroleum products because their costs of extraction and refining were so low, now producers need more than $45/barrel just to break even.
This is what I'm calling Oil Paradox #1: if demand for any of the primary products is weak, producers can't afford to continue extracting and refining oil, even if there is strong demand for some products.
2. Transportation is the primary use of oil: 68% of all petroleum products are consumed by transport, 26% by industrial and 6% residential/commercial. (These are U.S. statistics, but the global demand is roughly the same.)
If demand for gasoline, diesel and jet fuel remains weak, the value of each barrel of oil will remain below break-even, even if the industrial need for some products (lubricants, etc.) is strong because these industrial products are essential to the world's industrial economy.
3. Much of the consumption of the past 20 years was funded by debt, which is now $277 trillion globally and accelerating. Humanity has borrowed and spent trillions on consumption, and what remains is the interest due on the debt.
This interest constrains future borrowing. The "solution" to interest is inflation, which devalues the interest due. But it also devalues the purchasing power of the currencies being inflated, and so everyone's money buys fewer goods and services.
This is the Debt-Inflation Paradox: the more interest you owe, the greater your need to inflate away the burden of interest. But inflation destroys the purchasing power of money, impoverishing everyone who needs the money to live.
There is no way out of this paradox: either the global economy defaults on its debts, destroying trillions in phantom wealth, or its currencies lose value, impoverishing everyone.
Since so much consumption is funded by debt, any reduction in borrowing, no matter how modest, will destroy demand for petroleum, triggering the Oil Paradox (producers can't charge enough to justify pumping and refining oil).
4. The pandemic has accelerated consumption trends that reduce demand for fuels. Remote work is here to stay, regardless of what you may read. Corporations can no longer afford to staff centralized offices in costly cities. Making everyone commute to offices is no longer financially viable.
Corporate travel is also no longer financially viable. As profit margins fall, the luxury of jetting to physical meetings is no longer justifiable except for senior management-- a few dozen people, not hundreds or thousands.
Tourism thrived in an economy of easy, low-cost credit and secure incomes. Lenders can no longer afford to lend to those with poor credit--notice how credit card limits have been drastically reduced--and incomes are no longer secure.
If the pandemic were the only issue, it would be possible to see a return to 2019-level consumption. But unsustainable debt loads will only get more unsustainable, so much of the consumption that was funded by debt will go away and not come back: the interest on all the existing debt remains to be paid, one way or another.
This decline in consumption has lowered the price of oil far below break-even for most producers. As the article below explains, there are two break-even prices for petroleum: one to get it out of the ground, refine it and deliver it to market, and the second for the social costs the oil pays for.
This is the famous Oil Curse: nations with oil reserves end up depending on selling oil for virtually all their revenues because it doesn't make sense to invest in less reliable, less profitable sectors.
As a result, Saudi Arabia can pump the oil for $45/barrel, but it needs a price of $85/barrel to pay all the social welfare costs it has promised its people.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on January 07, 2021, 10:39:16 PM
Post by: Anonymous on January 07, 2021, 10:39:16 PM
Disarming you.
Stopping you from playing sports, telling you who can and cannot visit your home and telling you where you can and cannot travel.
Bankrupting you.
Boosting profits of major corporations by destroying your small business.
Guaranteeing tax slavery through crushing debt.
Things government is currently doing:
Disarming you.
Stopping you from playing sports, telling you who can and cannot visit your home and telling you where you can and cannot travel.
Bankrupting you.
Boosting profits of major corporations by destroying your small business.
Guaranteeing tax slavery through crushing debt.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Frood on January 07, 2021, 11:29:06 PM
Post by: Frood on January 07, 2021, 11:29:06 PM
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on January 07, 2021, 11:50:28 PM
Post by: Anonymous on January 07, 2021, 11:50:28 PM
Things government should never be engaged in:
Disarming you.
Stopping you from playing sports, telling you who can and cannot visit your home and telling you where you can and cannot travel.
Bankrupting you.
Boosting profits of major corporations by destroying your small business.
Guaranteeing tax slavery through crushing debt.
Things government is currently doing:
Disarming you.
Stopping you from playing sports, telling you who can and cannot visit your home and telling you where you can and cannot travel.
Bankrupting you.
Boosting profits of major corporations by destroying your small business.
Guaranteeing tax slavery through crushing debt.
I know globalist governments want total control over us, but even I never thought they would go this far.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on January 08, 2021, 08:57:12 AM
Post by: Anonymous on January 08, 2021, 08:57:12 AM
via bitslide https://www.bitchute.com/video/mAiGLiQLq4UB/
What was that about?
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Frood on January 08, 2021, 10:45:29 AM
Post by: Frood on January 08, 2021, 10:45:29 AM
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on January 08, 2021, 11:10:56 AM
Post by: Anonymous on January 08, 2021, 11:10:56 AM
They thought the family had visitors in the home.
Visitors or assault rifles.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Frood on January 08, 2021, 01:43:50 PM
Post by: Frood on January 08, 2021, 01:43:50 PM
They thought the family had visitors in the home.
Visitors or assault rifles.
No....it was covid related. The cops didn't like being told to get the hell out of their house.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on January 08, 2021, 02:24:00 PM
Post by: Anonymous on January 08, 2021, 02:24:00 PM
They thought the family had visitors in the home.
Visitors or assault rifles.
No....it was covid related. The cops didn't like being told to get the hell out of their house.
I think the Seoul brother was being sarcastic.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on January 09, 2021, 04:40:56 PM
Post by: Anonymous on January 09, 2021, 04:40:56 PM
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on January 09, 2021, 09:46:51 PM
Post by: Anonymous on January 09, 2021, 09:46:51 PM
Many experts already have serious doubts that doing things like closing gyms is actually having any benefit at all. No cost-benefit analysis of lockdowns has actually been done by governments..
But even those who support these closures must concede that once the demographic who are tragically dying of COVID-19 are vaccinated, there really isn't a reason to keep these closures in place any longer..
Vaccinate high-risk persons pronto and then lift the damaging restrictions on Canadians' lives.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on January 09, 2021, 09:46:51 PM
Post by: Anonymous on January 09, 2021, 09:46:51 PM
Many experts already have serious doubts that doing things like closing gyms is actually having any benefit at all. No cost-benefit analysis of lockdowns has actually been done by governments..
But even those who support these closures must concede that once the demographic who are tragically dying of COVID-19 are vaccinated, there really isn't a reason to keep these closures in place any longer..
Vaccinate high-risk persons pronto and then lift the damaging restrictions on Canadians' lives.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on January 12, 2021, 02:01:55 PM
Post by: Anonymous on January 12, 2021, 02:01:55 PM
Now, one of the prime offenders, the disastrously ineffective governor of New York, Andrew Cuomo, is even sounding the alarm that adhering to this goalpost will mean the total destruction of the American economy.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on January 12, 2021, 05:39:44 PM
Post by: Anonymous on January 12, 2021, 05:39:44 PM
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Frood on January 13, 2021, 01:42:27 AM
Post by: Frood on January 13, 2021, 01:42:27 AM
Democratic politicians have been studiously pushing back the goalposts for reopening businesses in their jurisdictions ever since the American people were told last March that a two- or four-week shutdown was necessary to keep hospitals from being overwhelmed. Lately, the stated goalpost has been moved all the way back to "until a vaccine is widely available."
Now, one of the prime offenders, the disastrously ineffective governor of New York, Andrew Cuomo, is even sounding the alarm that adhering to this goalpost will mean the total destruction of the American economy.https://twitter.com/NYGovCuomo/status/1348673192609591296?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1348673192609591296%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.theblaze.com%2Fnews%2Fandrew-cuomo-admits-cannot-stay-closed
Everything that comes out of the mouth of that guy is shit...
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on January 13, 2021, 02:56:32 AM
Post by: Anonymous on January 13, 2021, 02:56:32 AM
Democratic politicians have been studiously pushing back the goalposts for reopening businesses in their jurisdictions ever since the American people were told last March that a two- or four-week shutdown was necessary to keep hospitals from being overwhelmed. Lately, the stated goalpost has been moved all the way back to "until a vaccine is widely available."
Now, one of the prime offenders, the disastrously ineffective governor of New York, Andrew Cuomo, is even sounding the alarm that adhering to this goalpost will mean the total destruction of the American economy.https://twitter.com/NYGovCuomo/status/1348673192609591296?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1348673192609591296%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.theblaze.com%2Fnews%2Fandrew-cuomo-admits-cannot-stay-closed
Yes.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on January 14, 2021, 05:58:13 PM
Post by: Anonymous on January 14, 2021, 05:58:13 PM
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on January 15, 2021, 06:11:31 PM
Post by: Anonymous on January 15, 2021, 06:11:31 PM
A new international study examining the effectiveness of state-mandated coronavirus lockdowns compared to other voluntary pandemic safety measures found that the lockdowns were no better at stopping the spread of coronavirus than less restrictive measures, like social distancing or reducing travel.
The peer-reviewed study, which Newsweek reported was published on Jan. 5 in the Wiley Online Library, examined how the virus spread in 10 countries in early 2020.
The study examined virus cases in countries that used "non-pharmaceutical interventions" — the academic term for lockdown policies — to those that did not. Researchers examined cases from England, France, Germany, Iran, Italy, the Netherlands, Spain, and the United States, which all imposed lockdowns in early 2020, to two countries that decided to use less intrusive, voluntary social-distancing measures — South Korea and Sweden. The aim of the study was to examine whether policies that closed businesses and forced people to stay in their homes were as effective as less restrictive policies to contain the spread of the virus.
To calculate this, the authors of the study used a mathematical model that subtracted "the sum of non-pharmaceutical intervention (NPI) effects and epidemic dynamics in countries that did not enact more restrictive non-pharmaceutical interventions (mrNPIs) from the sum of NPI effects and epidemic dynamics in countries that did."
According to their analysis, "there is no evidence that more restrictive non-pharmaceutical interventions ('lockdowns') contributed substantially to bending the curve of new cases" in countries that imposed lockdowns.
While lockdown policies may provide some benefits that voluntary measures do not, the study found that these benefits are not significantly better, and the harms imposed by lockdowns, "including hunger, opioid-related overdoses, missed vaccinations, increase in non-COVID diseases from missed health services, domestic abuse, mental health and suicidality, as well as a host of economic consequences with health implications."
While the study found "no evidence of large anti-contagion effects from mandatory stay-at-home and business closure policies," the researchers did note some important limitations to the underlying data and methods used in their research. The authors acknowledged that cross-country comparisons are difficult because nations have different rules, cultures, and relationships between the government and the citizenry. Additionally, some countries are better at providing coronavirus data than others. The study also relied on confirmed case counts for its analysis, which can be "a noisy measure of disease transmission."
Given these limitations, the researchers could not conclusively declare that lock down policies had no benefits whatsoever. "However, even if they exist, these benefits may not match the numerous harms of these aggressive measures. More targeted public health interventions that more effectively reduce transmission may be important for future epidemic control without the harms of highly restrictive measures," the study concluded.
Lockdown policies in the United States are highly controversial, with advocates pointing to studies that claim they have saved millions of lives and detractors arguing experience shows places with less restrictive policies fared no worse than areas that were locked down.
Last June, Reuters reported a study published by researchers at Imperial College London that compared estimated coronavirus deaths in several European countries to the actual number of deaths recorded, claiming that some 3.1 million deaths were averted because of the imposition of lockdowns.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on January 15, 2021, 06:22:03 PM
Post by: Anonymous on January 15, 2021, 06:22:03 PM
Across Europe and North America, we see the virus has spread too much for shutting down restuarants to have much affect.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on January 19, 2021, 03:00:58 PM
Post by: Anonymous on January 19, 2021, 03:00:58 PM
Many businesses already weakened by the first bout of the crisis will find it harder to survive the second wave," said Ksenia Bushmeneva, economist at TD.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on January 21, 2021, 10:40:40 PM
Post by: Anonymous on January 21, 2021, 10:40:40 PM
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on January 21, 2021, 11:55:34 PM
Post by: Anonymous on January 21, 2021, 11:55:34 PM
Will small independent businesses be gone. Will only chains remain.
More than 200,000 Canadian small businesses could shut their doors permanently due to the novel coronavirus pandemic, jeopardizing close to three million private-sector jobs in the worst-case scenario, according to a recent survey by the Canadian Federation of Independent Business (CFIB).
The organization estimates 181,000 small entrepreneurs are seriously considering closing down their businesses after a spike in case counts prompted a new wave of government lockdowns and restrictions.
The figure is based on responses from the CFIB's latest survey of its members, which was conducted between Jan. 12 and 16, and comes on top of Statistics Canada data showing the country lost nearly 58,000 active businesses in 2020.
"The more businesses that disappear, the more jobs we will lose and the harder it will be for the economy to recover," said Simon Gaudreault, CFIB's senior director of national research.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on January 22, 2021, 04:28:01 PM
Post by: Anonymous on January 22, 2021, 04:28:01 PM
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They don't matter.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on January 22, 2021, 04:31:57 PM
Post by: Anonymous on January 22, 2021, 04:31:57 PM
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They don't matter.
The response to this pandemic in Western countries is causing as much pain and possibly death as the virus itself.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Gaon on January 22, 2021, 08:53:31 PM
Post by: Gaon on January 22, 2021, 08:53:31 PM
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They might never flatten.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on January 23, 2021, 10:57:45 PM
Post by: Anonymous on January 23, 2021, 10:57:45 PM
Yet Another Study Shows—Yet Again—That Lockdowns Don't WorkQuote
Although advocates for covid-19 lockdowns continue to insist that they save lives, actual experience keeps suggesting otherwise.
On a national level, just eyeballing the data makes this clear. Countries that have implemented harsh lockdowns shouldn't expect to have comparatively lower numbers of covid-19 deaths per million.
In Italy and the United Kingdom, for example, where lockdowns have been repeatedly imposed, death totals per million remain among the worst in the world. Meanwhile, in the United States, states with with the most harsh lockdown rules—such as New York, New Jersey, and Massachusetts are among the states with the worst total deaths.
Lockdown advocates, of course, are likely to argue that if researchers control for a variety of other variables, then we're sure to see that lockdowns have saved millions of lives. Yet research keeps showing us this simply isn't the case.
The latest study to show the weakness of the prolockdown position appeared this month in the European Journal of Clinical Investigation, authored by Eran Bendavid, Christopher Oh, Jay Bhattacharya, and John P.A. Ioannidis. Titled "Assessing Mandatory Stay-at-Home and Business Closure Effects on the Spread of COVID-19," the authors compare "more restrictive non-pharmaceutical interventions" (mrNPI) and "less restrictive non-pharmaceutical interventions" (lrNPI). More restrictive interventions include mandatory stay-at-home orders and forced business closures. Less restrictive measures include "social distancing guidelines, discouraging of international and domestic travel, and a ban on large gatherings." The researchers compare outcomes at the subnational level in a number of countries, including England, France, Germany, Iran, Italy, the Netherlands, Spain, and the United States. This is then compared against countries with less restrictive measures, primarily Sweden and South Korea, where stay-at-home orders and business closures were not widely implemented.
The conclusion:
We find no clear, significant beneficial effect of mrNPIs on case growth in any country....In none of the 8 countries and in none out of the 16 comparisons (against Sweden or South Korea) were the effects of mrNPIs significantly negative (beneficial). The point estimates were positive (point in the direction of mrNPIs resulting in increased daily growth in cases).
That is, the more restrictive lockdown measures pointed to worse outcomes.https://mises.org/wire/yet-another-study-shows-yet-again-lockdowns-dont-work
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on January 23, 2021, 11:19:48 PM
Post by: Anonymous on January 23, 2021, 11:19:48 PM
Governor says South Dakota has 'perhaps the strongest economy' in US after refusing lockdown measures
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Gaon on January 25, 2021, 01:15:02 AM
Post by: Gaon on January 25, 2021, 01:15:02 AM
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on January 25, 2021, 12:58:18 PM
Post by: Anonymous on January 25, 2021, 12:58:18 PM
Clark County School District in Nevada, the nation's fifth-largest school district, wants to reopen as "quickly as possible" following a rash of student suicides, according to a new report.
There were 18 suicides in the nine months that the schools were closed due to the coronavirus lockdown, which is double the amount of suicides in all of the previous year, according to the New York Times.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on January 26, 2021, 06:27:13 PM
Post by: Anonymous on January 26, 2021, 06:27:13 PM
The economic effects of COVID-19 could prove deadlier than the disease itself.
So says just-released research, which concludes that the total lives lost to the virus in the U.S. may "far exceed those immediately related to the acute COVID-19 critical illness...The recession caused by the pandemic can jeopardize population health for the next two decades."
The new working paper, by authors at Duke University, Harvard Medical School, and the Johns Hopkins University business school, focuses on the almost instantaneous unemployment of millions of workers in March and April. The unemployment rate jumped from nearly the lowest in 50 years to the highest since the current measurement system began in 1948. While it has come down, it's still at its highest rate since the recovery from the 2008–09 financial crisis.
The authors wondered how unemployment affects mortality and life expectancy years later. Little research on that question existed, so they conducted their own analysis using 67 years of data about unemployment, life expectancy, and death rates from the Bureau of Labor Statistics and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. They were able to separate the effects of the unprecedented 2020 unemployment spike from other factors that affect mortality and life expectancy.
Their main finding: Over the next 20 years, 1.37 million more people will die than would have died without the unemployment shock the pandemic caused, a number the researchers call "staggering." They find also that "excess deaths will disproportionately affect African-Americans." The implied increases in deaths per 100,000 individuals over the next 20 years are 32.6 for African-Americans versus 24.6 for white Americans. In all, about 3.2% more people would die in the U.S. over that span than would have died without the spike in joblessness.
These new findings further complicate the excruciating quandary facing policymakers. Lockdowns and other restrictions impose economic suffering but save lives. If it turns out that the economic suffering, while saving lives in the near term, also costs lives in later years, then what is the right policy response? The researchers emphasize that "we do not want to suggest that policymakers should refrain from ordering lockdowns as necessary lifesaving measures"; rather, policy should also provide "enhanced health and economic support for the most vulnerable portions of the population."
In the U.S., that support has been provided, at least partially, through stimulus checks, extra unemployment insurance, and other measures enacted last spring and in December. So could the new paper's predictions of excess deaths be overblown? Maybe, but other factors suggest they could be underestimated.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on January 26, 2021, 08:48:47 PM
Post by: Anonymous on January 26, 2021, 08:48:47 PM
I am getting tired of the coronavirus measures. But, BC's restrictions are not as severe as in other parts of North America.
Without vaccines, we will not get back to normal.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on January 27, 2021, 12:01:04 AM
Post by: Anonymous on January 27, 2021, 12:01:04 AM
I am getting tired of the coronavirus measures. But, BC's restrictions are not as severe as in other parts of North America.
Without vaccines, we will not get back to normal.
Our current restrictions in Alberta will last longer than last spring.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Frood on January 27, 2021, 12:15:53 AM
Post by: Frood on January 27, 2021, 12:15:53 AM
I am getting tired of the coronavirus measures. But, BC's restrictions are not as severe as in other parts of North America.
Without vaccines, we will not get back to normal.
Or the human genome will suffer because of these vaccines...
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on January 27, 2021, 12:36:18 AM
Post by: Anonymous on January 27, 2021, 12:36:18 AM
I am getting tired of the coronavirus measures. But, BC's restrictions are not as severe as in other parts of North America.
Without vaccines, we will not get back to normal.
Or the human genome will suffer because of these vaccines...
I get a flu vaccine every fall.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Frood on January 27, 2021, 12:59:33 AM
Post by: Frood on January 27, 2021, 12:59:33 AM
I am getting tired of the coronavirus measures. But, BC's restrictions are not as severe as in other parts of North America.
Without vaccines, we will not get back to normal.
Or the human genome will suffer because of these vaccines...
I get a flu vaccine every fall.
I got it one time in 2009, which caused me to get swine flu and infect a whole region that was otherwise swine flu free.
I literally infected everyone in my business and then it spread from them onto their families and friends.
But that wasn't a mRNA vax... it was still much more safer and tested...
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on January 27, 2021, 07:58:03 AM
Post by: Anonymous on January 27, 2021, 07:58:03 AM
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on January 28, 2021, 06:50:36 PM
Post by: Anonymous on January 28, 2021, 06:50:36 PM
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on February 05, 2021, 02:06:37 PM
Post by: Anonymous on February 05, 2021, 02:06:37 PM
tatistics Canada reported Friday that the jobless rate ticked up 0.6 percentage points to 9.4 per cent. That's the highest level since August. Overall employment also fell to its lowest level since that month.
January's drop means that overall, Canada now has 858,000 fewer jobs than it did in February of last year, before COVID-19 began. Another 529,000 people have managed to keep their job but are working less than they would normally because of the pandemic.
Almost all of the job losses came from Ontario and Quebec, which lost a combined 251,000 jobs — mostly in retail, accommodation and food services. That plunge was offset by slight job gains in Alberta, Manitoba, Nova Scotia and Prince Edward Island, while the jobs number held steady in British Columbia, Saskatchewan and New Brunswick.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on February 06, 2021, 01:11:24 AM
Post by: Anonymous on February 06, 2021, 01:11:24 AM
Canada's economy lost 213,000 jobs in January, about five times more than what economists were expecting, as retail lockdowns forced more businesses to close their doors across the country.
tatistics Canada reported Friday that the jobless rate ticked up 0.6 percentage points to 9.4 per cent. That's the highest level since August. Overall employment also fell to its lowest level since that month.
January's drop means that overall, Canada now has 858,000 fewer jobs than it did in February of last year, before COVID-19 began. Another 529,000 people have managed to keep their job but are working less than they would normally because of the pandemic.
Almost all of the job losses came from Ontario and Quebec, which lost a combined 251,000 jobs — mostly in retail, accommodation and food services. That plunge was offset by slight job gains in Alberta, Manitoba, Nova Scotia and Prince Edward Island, while the jobs number held steady in British Columbia, Saskatchewan and New Brunswick.
Canada, how do you like your trial run of Socialism?
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on February 06, 2021, 01:13:14 AM
Post by: Anonymous on February 06, 2021, 01:13:14 AM
Canada's economy lost 213,000 jobs in January, about five times more than what economists were expecting, as retail lockdowns forced more businesses to close their doors across the country.
tatistics Canada reported Friday that the jobless rate ticked up 0.6 percentage points to 9.4 per cent. That's the highest level since August. Overall employment also fell to its lowest level since that month.
January's drop means that overall, Canada now has 858,000 fewer jobs than it did in February of last year, before COVID-19 began. Another 529,000 people have managed to keep their job but are working less than they would normally because of the pandemic.
Almost all of the job losses came from Ontario and Quebec, which lost a combined 251,000 jobs — mostly in retail, accommodation and food services. That plunge was offset by slight job gains in Alberta, Manitoba, Nova Scotia and Prince Edward Island, while the jobs number held steady in British Columbia, Saskatchewan and New Brunswick.
Canada, how do you like your trial run of Socialism?
Our country is collapsing and people keep voting for the cause.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on February 06, 2021, 01:57:26 AM
Post by: Anonymous on February 06, 2021, 01:57:26 AM
Canada's economy lost 213,000 jobs in January, about five times more than what economists were expecting, as retail lockdowns forced more businesses to close their doors across the country.
tatistics Canada reported Friday that the jobless rate ticked up 0.6 percentage points to 9.4 per cent. That's the highest level since August. Overall employment also fell to its lowest level since that month.
January's drop means that overall, Canada now has 858,000 fewer jobs than it did in February of last year, before COVID-19 began. Another 529,000 people have managed to keep their job but are working less than they would normally because of the pandemic.
Almost all of the job losses came from Ontario and Quebec, which lost a combined 251,000 jobs — mostly in retail, accommodation and food services. That plunge was offset by slight job gains in Alberta, Manitoba, Nova Scotia and Prince Edward Island, while the jobs number held steady in British Columbia, Saskatchewan and New Brunswick.
Canada, how do you like your trial run of Socialism?
Our country is collapsing and people keep voting for the cause.
I don't understand what they like about his government.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on February 07, 2021, 02:50:08 PM
Post by: Anonymous on February 07, 2021, 02:50:08 PM
New Study Indicates Lockdowns Didn't Slow the Spread of Covid-19Quote
team of Stanford University researchers recently published a study in the European Journal of Clinical Investigation concluding that harsh lockdown policies have had minimal impact on preventing the spread of Covid-19 compared to lighter policies.
I'm willing to admit I supported lockdowns in the beginning because they seemed to be good in theory. Sacrifice some freedom now to preserve long-term aggregate freedom and prosperity. Eventually, every intellectually honest and reasonable person needs to ask, where's the real evidence? After two weeks to flatten the curve turned into ten months and counting with a world undone, people are understandably skeptical of whether harsh lockdown policies had any benefit. Some studies such as this one published in Nature by a large team of epidemiologists state that lockdowns have drastically reduced the potential damage of Covid-19. However, such studies are unreliable as they rely on assumptions about what they think could have happened. They take the cases and deaths today and then make up a potential outcome for what would have happened without lockdowns, then claim that lockdowns worked.
Key Takeaways
lockdown policies around the world have failed to produce the results that we were told they would. Countries that locked down the hardest like Belgium and the United Kingdom also have some of the worst statistics per capita, even worse than the United States, the punching bag for lockdown supporters.https://www.aier.org/article/new-study-indicates-lockdowns-didnt-slow-the-spread-of-covid-19/
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on February 07, 2021, 03:18:50 PM
Post by: Anonymous on February 07, 2021, 03:18:50 PM
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Gaon on February 07, 2021, 07:54:07 PM
Post by: Gaon on February 07, 2021, 07:54:07 PM
Keeping these measures in place until a vaccine is available will cause irreparable damage, with the underprivileged disproportionately harmed.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on February 14, 2021, 08:53:28 PM
Post by: Anonymous on February 14, 2021, 08:53:28 PM
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on February 14, 2021, 09:34:54 PM
Post by: Anonymous on February 14, 2021, 09:34:54 PM
Nepal gave up on lockdown in July as they are too poor to do it anymore. And guess what? Virus disappeared, they are doing far better than any lockdown country.
Developing countries don't have the option of long term lock downs..
They kill a lot more people in developing countries than they save.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on February 16, 2021, 02:28:21 PM
Post by: Anonymous on February 16, 2021, 02:28:21 PM
Olymel's pork processing plant in Red Deer is temporarily closing after an outbreak of cases..
There are 1850 employees working there.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on February 16, 2021, 06:39:17 PM
Post by: Anonymous on February 16, 2021, 06:39:17 PM
It's bigger than the one in Red Deer..
The Manitoba facility has 1850 employees.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on February 16, 2021, 06:51:14 PM
Post by: Anonymous on February 16, 2021, 06:51:14 PM
I made a mistake, the Olymel plant in Brandon, Manitoba also closed..
It's bigger than the one in Red Deer..
The Manitoba facility has 1850 employees.
Thank GAWD you clarified that. I couldn't sleep not knowing if it was the Red Deer or Brandon pork processor.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on February 19, 2021, 03:10:52 PM
Post by: Anonymous on February 19, 2021, 03:10:52 PM
Biden COVID adviser can't explain why despite lockdowns, California's virus numbers are the same as Florida's
'That's just a little bit beyond our explanation'
White House senior adviser for COVID response Andy Slavitt had a hard time coming up with an answer this week when he was asked why California hasn't fared better against the coronavirus than Florida, despite the Golden State's lockdown policies.
What happened?
"I want to start with what we just saw," MSNBC host Stephanie Ruhle said at the outset of the Wednesday interview. "Contrast states like Florida and California. California [is] basically in a lockdown and their numbers aren't that different from Florida."
New numbers coming out of both states have suggested, to the surprise of many public health experts, that states with harsh lockdown policies have not been more successful at combating the virus than states that adopted more open approaches.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on February 22, 2021, 10:26:29 PM
Post by: Anonymous on February 22, 2021, 10:26:29 PM
"We didn't even have a lockdown, and the impact of Covid is very minimal compared to other countries ... but still we see this big increase in the number of suicides," said Michiko Ueda, an associate professor at Waseda University in Tokyo, and an expert on suicides.
"That suggests other countries might see a similar or even bigger increase in the number of suicides in the future."
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on February 23, 2021, 04:48:50 PM
Post by: Anonymous on February 23, 2021, 04:48:50 PM
Former Democratic adviser Naomi Wolf, who aided former President Clinton during his second reelection bid, told Fox News on Monday night that the nation is "moving into a coup situation, a police state" as a result of lockdowns.
"That is not a partisan thing," Wolf told the network. "That transcends everything that you and I might disagree or agree on. That should bring together left and right to protect our Constitution."
In recent months, Wolf has used her Twitter account to warn about governors' lockdown orders as well President Joe Biden's willingness to implement additional shutdowns due to the pandemic.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on February 27, 2021, 07:16:43 PM
Post by: Anonymous on February 27, 2021, 07:16:43 PM
Noem said that Anthony Fauci, one of the lead members of Trump's White House Coronavirus Task Force, told her that South Dakota's hospitals would be treating 10,000 patients at the worst point of the pandemic. She said the number was actually 600 patients at the worst point.
"I don't know if you agree with me, but Dr. Fauci is wrong a lot," Noem said, drawing raucous cheers from the crowd.
"Even in a pandemic, public health policy needs to take into account people's economic and social well-being," she added. "People need to keep a roof over their heads, they need to feed their families, and they need their dignity."
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on February 27, 2021, 07:56:29 PM
Post by: Anonymous on February 27, 2021, 07:56:29 PM
South Dakota Gov. Kristi Noem (R) told the audience at an annual conservative conference on Feb. 27 that lockdowns and other restrictions imposed by state and local governments were to blame for the economic crash in 2020, not the pandemic which they were intended to snuff out.
Noem said that Anthony Fauci, one of the lead members of Trump's White House Coronavirus Task Force, told her that South Dakota's hospitals would be treating 10,000 patients at the worst point of the pandemic. She said the number was actually 600 patients at the worst point.
"I don't know if you agree with me, but Dr. Fauci is wrong a lot," Noem said, drawing raucous cheers from the crowd.
"Even in a pandemic, public health policy needs to take into account people's economic and social well-being," she added. "People need to keep a roof over their heads, they need to feed their families, and they need their dignity."
There's no proof that long term lock downs saved lives.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on February 27, 2021, 08:42:40 PM
Post by: Anonymous on February 27, 2021, 08:42:40 PM
South Dakota Gov. Kristi Noem (R) told the audience at an annual conservative conference on Feb. 27 that lockdowns and other restrictions imposed by state and local governments were to blame for the economic crash in 2020, not the pandemic which they were intended to snuff out.
Noem said that Anthony Fauci, one of the lead members of Trump's White House Coronavirus Task Force, told her that South Dakota's hospitals would be treating 10,000 patients at the worst point of the pandemic. She said the number was actually 600 patients at the worst point.
"I don't know if you agree with me, but Dr. Fauci is wrong a lot," Noem said, drawing raucous cheers from the crowd.
"Even in a pandemic, public health policy needs to take into account people's economic and social well-being," she added. "People need to keep a roof over their heads, they need to feed their families, and they need their dignity."
There's no proof that long term lock downs saved lives.
They can't continue until 80 percent of the population is vaccinated. That could be another 18 months.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on February 28, 2021, 08:09:53 AM
Post by: Anonymous on February 28, 2021, 08:09:53 AM
South Dakota Gov. Kristi Noem (R) told the audience at an annual conservative conference on Feb. 27 that lockdowns and other restrictions imposed by state and local governments were to blame for the economic crash in 2020, not the pandemic which they were intended to snuff out.
Noem said that Anthony Fauci, one of the lead members of Trump's White House Coronavirus Task Force, told her that South Dakota's hospitals would be treating 10,000 patients at the worst point of the pandemic. She said the number was actually 600 patients at the worst point.
"I don't know if you agree with me, but Dr. Fauci is wrong a lot," Noem said, drawing raucous cheers from the crowd.
"Even in a pandemic, public health policy needs to take into account people's economic and social well-being," she added. "People need to keep a roof over their heads, they need to feed their families, and they need their dignity."
There's no proof that long term lock downs saved lives.
They can't continue until 80 percent of the population is vaccinated. That could be another 18 months.
I hope we have a normal Canada Day weekend with fireworks.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Odinson on February 28, 2021, 05:16:54 PM
Post by: Odinson on February 28, 2021, 05:16:54 PM
And its winter holiday season, so the southern folks are gonna bring the coronies to where I live when they come skiing.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on February 28, 2021, 05:22:00 PM
Post by: Anonymous on February 28, 2021, 05:22:00 PM
Coronavirus infection rate is spiking in here.
And its winter holiday season, so the southern folks are gonna bring the coronies to where I live when they come skiing.
How is the vaccination rollout going in Finland?
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on February 28, 2021, 05:35:25 PM
Post by: Anonymous on February 28, 2021, 05:35:25 PM
A champion of "environmental justice" and the "Great Reset" of capitalism, the WEF on Friday posted on Twitter a video featuring quiet, depopulated urban life and stalled industrial activities, noting that air pollution and carbon emissions have dipped to historical lows as governments around the world enforced lockdowns to curb the spread of the CCP (Chinese Commuunist Party) virus.
Twitter users across the political spectrum criticized the elitist group for the out-of-touch post, citing millions of lives lost to the pandemic and businesses didn't survive the lockdowns.
On Saturday, the organization deleted the post, admitting that the pandemic lockdowns were not actually "quietly improving cities," but offered no apology.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Odinson on February 28, 2021, 05:43:41 PM
Post by: Odinson on February 28, 2021, 05:43:41 PM
Coronavirus infection rate is spiking in here.
And its winter holiday season, so the southern folks are gonna bring the coronies to where I live when they come skiing.
How is the vaccination rollout going in Finland?
The objective is to vaccinate 2 million people by 1st of may.
At least 300k have been vaccinated.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on February 28, 2021, 05:48:35 PM
Post by: Anonymous on February 28, 2021, 05:48:35 PM
Coronavirus infection rate is spiking in here.
And its winter holiday season, so the southern folks are gonna bring the coronies to where I live when they come skiing.
How is the vaccination rollout going in Finland?
The objective is to vaccinate 2 million people by 1st of may.
At least 300k have been vaccinated.
Finland is doing better than we are.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on March 01, 2021, 01:07:56 AM
Post by: Anonymous on March 01, 2021, 01:07:56 AM
Coronavirus infection rate is spiking in here.
And its winter holiday season, so the southern folks are gonna bring the coronies to where I live when they come skiing.
How is the vaccination rollout going in Finland?
The objective is to vaccinate 2 million people by 1st of may.
At least 300k have been vaccinated.
Finland is doing better than we are.
They don't have Trudeau.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on March 01, 2021, 03:35:21 PM
Post by: Anonymous on March 01, 2021, 03:35:21 PM
Increasing skepticism and even anger about the long-standing COVID-19 advisory role of Dr. Anthony Fauci have filled social media in recent days.
Sure, some of us have been pointing out the need to rid the White House and the nation of his presence for nearly a year now, but it turns out Fauci's latest calls for double masking and remaining locked down even after getting vaccinated have pushed a new segment of Americans over the edge.
And to that I say, "Amen."
More and more people simply want their damn country back and resent that the so-called "experts" seem to be addicted to either doubling down on failure or mandating increasingly hysterical and obtuse remedies that would make Rube Goldberg machines blush.
It's a lot more than mere resentment, though. So many people have been hurt in mind, body, and soul by Fauci's arrogant and inconsistent medical meanderings. Among the costs: Their ability to provide for themselves and their family. Their ability to worship and speak freely. Their ability to receive an education. Their ability to flourish in athletics and the arts. And perhaps most of all, their ability to trust one another as fellow citizens.
It might be years before we realize how busted we truly are, as both individuals and a community, because of Fauci's perverse Frankenstein act. The claim that he is a healer is a farce that grows day by day. Instead, he has specialized in growing hopeless zombies and goose-stepping minions in his lab of nonsense.
There needs to be accountability after a year of such needless overreach and arrogance. Somebody has to pay. Because this all could have been different if we had learned the right lessons nearly a year ago when people like Idaho's Sara Brady were among the first to fall victim to Fauci's paranoia-inducing spell.
She's the mom who was arrested in April o2020 for the high crime of playing on a playground with her kids and now continues to wait in limbo for a trial to address her trespassing charge as she amasses growing attorney fees.
Brady had been at the park for barely five minutes before police arrived at the behest of a Karen Supreme who simply couldn't tolerate the freedom being enjoyed right in front of her as she cowered in her car eating lunch. And so it was that two young children saw their mother handcuffed right in front of them by the inheritor of Barney Fife's limp pistol and tin-can badge.
"Unfortunately for the officer and the state of Idaho, they arrested a woman who will fight until she has no breath left in her," said Tim Brady, Sara's husband. "What a lot of people don't know, especially those that have taken time out of their lives to criticize, threaten, harass and stalk her and our family is that she is the wife of a police officer. To add insult to injury, I have worked with the officer that arrested my wife several times throughout my 19-year law enforcement career."
Yeah, you heard that right. A cop is so fed up by the abuses of power destroying our nation that he is now speaking up without apology. Because this is about far more than just his wife. Fauci isn't supposed to be our model or our muse for how government works, nor how America's citizens are to be respected and served.
"I have to hope that law enforcement's role with the tyrannical orders and edicts over the past year are the minority," Tim said. "I fear that the profession I love will someday in the future force me to leave because I won't participate in destroying my nation. The next time you hear or see a story about the abuse of law enforcement power, please remember there are those of who are still out there fighting for what is right. Vowing to uphold the oaths we have taken."
This is the chaos and purposelessness Fauci and company have wrought, as whatever oaths they once took, Hippocratic or otherwise, have been forgotten or perverted. Where a cop's faith in his noble profession as well as his own respect for authority are hanging by a thread as he saw roughly 400 inmates released from his local prison due to COVID, making room behind bars for the likes of his wife for daring to get some fresh air.
Enough. That's what we should have said then. And that's what we must say now.
Anyone who thinks otherwise is a traitor to the cause of freedom, whether they understand that or not. So wake up. Fauci isn't your friend. He's a fiend. His time as the diabolical moral and medical compass of our nation is a permanent scar on the land.
For God's sake, enough.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on March 01, 2021, 07:11:54 PM
Post by: Anonymous on March 01, 2021, 07:11:54 PM
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on March 02, 2021, 03:56:34 AM
Post by: Anonymous on March 02, 2021, 03:56:34 AM
They keep doubling down on lock downs when there's mounting evidence they do more harm than good.
Yes, Tam and Fauci.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on March 04, 2021, 11:45:13 AM
Post by: Anonymous on March 04, 2021, 11:45:13 AM
More than 83,500 people died from an overdose in the 12-month period ending July 2020—an average of 228 deaths per day.
It's the highest number of overdose deaths ever recorded, and the final number, which is up 24 percent over the same period in the year prior, is expected to be even higher.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on March 05, 2021, 11:04:27 PM
Post by: Anonymous on March 05, 2021, 11:04:27 PM
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on March 06, 2021, 01:36:34 PM
Post by: Anonymous on March 06, 2021, 01:36:34 PM
Gov. Jim Justice, a Republican, signed an order increasing the capacity limit for the stores to 100 percent, up from 75 percent.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on March 06, 2021, 04:56:57 PM
Post by: Anonymous on March 06, 2021, 04:56:57 PM
West Virginia's governor on Friday announced he is allowing bars, restaurants, and small businesses to reopen fully by eliminating capacity restrictions.
Gov. Jim Justice, a Republican, signed an order increasing the capacity limit for the stores to 100 percent, up from 75 percent.
The states should be opening up fully. They have adequate vaccine supplies.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on March 07, 2021, 09:56:37 PM
Post by: Anonymous on March 07, 2021, 09:56:37 PM
Then again, we don't need to tell most Canadians to believe that. Regular folks know this already.
They're talking to friends and family. They're seeing what's happening on the street. It's the so-called leaders up in their ivory towers, the ones who haven't taken a single hit from their pay cheques, who need to have this message thrust in front of them — ideally by a giant neon billboard parked directly in front of their office or bedroom window so they can't look away.
"With a whopping 51% reporting they did not know how long they could continue to operate at their current level of revenue and expenditures before considering closure or bankruptcy, the coping ability of businesses to weather the pandemic is quickly dwindling," notes Dr. Trevin Stratton, the Chamber's Chief Economist, in a news release.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on March 07, 2021, 10:08:52 PM
Post by: Anonymous on March 07, 2021, 10:08:52 PM
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on March 07, 2021, 11:46:59 PM
Post by: Anonymous on March 07, 2021, 11:46:59 PM
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: @realAzhyaAryola on March 08, 2021, 06:43:15 PM
Post by: @realAzhyaAryola on March 08, 2021, 06:43:15 PM
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on March 08, 2021, 07:45:43 PM
Post by: Anonymous on March 08, 2021, 07:45:43 PM
The latest state to lift lockdowns and the mask mandate is Wyoming.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on March 08, 2021, 08:54:08 PM
Post by: Anonymous on March 08, 2021, 08:54:08 PM
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on March 09, 2021, 06:59:21 AM
Post by: Anonymous on March 09, 2021, 06:59:21 AM
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It's evolved.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on March 09, 2021, 12:40:25 PM
Post by: Anonymous on March 09, 2021, 12:40:25 PM
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It's evolved.
The curve has flattened.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on March 09, 2021, 10:47:12 PM
Post by: Anonymous on March 09, 2021, 10:47:12 PM
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on March 09, 2021, 10:48:25 PM
Post by: Anonymous on March 09, 2021, 10:48:25 PM
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Thiel on March 09, 2021, 10:50:35 PM
Post by: Thiel on March 09, 2021, 10:50:35 PM
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There are people that have a bigger problem with disobedience than potentially spreading the virus.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on March 11, 2021, 06:55:43 PM
Post by: Anonymous on March 11, 2021, 06:55:43 PM
The House passed President Joe Biden's American Rescue Plan Wednesday afternoon, raising the price tag for federal government spending on coronavirus relief to $5.5 trillion.
The $1.9 trillion bill is just the latest that Congress has passed in the past year, adding to the unprecedented amount of money that is greater than the United States has spent on any previous national emergency in its history. The $5.5 trillion price tag is higher than the 2019 GDP of every country in the world except for the United States and China, and is more than the $4.1 trillion the U.S. spent on World War II if adjusted to today's dollars.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on March 11, 2021, 07:51:45 PM
Post by: Anonymous on March 11, 2021, 07:51:45 PM
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on March 13, 2021, 09:38:02 PM
Post by: Anonymous on March 13, 2021, 09:38:02 PM
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on March 13, 2021, 10:14:00 PM
Post by: Anonymous on March 13, 2021, 10:14:00 PM
Treating healthy people as a threat to public health for a whole year is not just a scam; it's a crime against humanity.
It has gone on far too long..
The West is the only place in the world that continues with quarantining healthy people that I'm aware of.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: cc on March 13, 2021, 11:02:14 PM
Post by: cc on March 13, 2021, 11:02:14 PM
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Speak for yourself - DO NOT try to speak for me
I wear it as a personal decision to not get infected and to not get sick and / to not infect others
I would wear it even if Big Brother & public opinion said "Do not wear masks"
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Frood on March 14, 2021, 04:48:33 AM
Post by: Frood on March 14, 2021, 04:48:33 AM
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on March 14, 2021, 06:31:56 AM
Post by: Anonymous on March 14, 2021, 06:31:56 AM
"To even contemplate doing any type of lockdown, honestly it's insane," said the Republican governor.
DeSantis vowed to protect his state from possible Washington mandates.
"That's not gonna happen in the state of Florida," DeSantis said, referring to lockdowns. "We're gonna continue doing what works, but under no circumstances would we entertain anything of the sort."
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on March 14, 2021, 10:17:11 AM
Post by: Anonymous on March 14, 2021, 10:17:11 AM
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I don't mind the mask mandate. It's a minor inconvenience compared to lockdown restrictions.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Gaon on March 14, 2021, 11:53:53 AM
Post by: Gaon on March 14, 2021, 11:53:53 AM
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on March 14, 2021, 10:35:24 PM
Post by: Anonymous on March 14, 2021, 10:35:24 PM
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on March 17, 2021, 11:20:18 PM
Post by: Anonymous on March 17, 2021, 11:20:18 PM
Crisis brewing as COVID-19 derails life-saving surgeries at Canadian hospitals
TORONTO -- Many cancer patients have been stuck waiting for life-saving surgeries, according to a new study using Ontario data, confirming worries about the impact of the enormous and growing backlog of procedures caused by the COVID-19 pandemic.
And it's not just cancer patients. Doctors are warning that the health care system has yet to return to pre-pandemic surgical rates, let alone clearing the backlog, with over a quarter of a million people in Ontario alone on standby for life saving operations.
The study, published in JAMA, showed a dramatic 60 per cent drop in cancer surgeries when the pandemic began a year ago, as hospitals reallocated resources like beds, ventilators, and medical staff to ensure they were prepared for a sudden influx of COVID-19 cases.
The result? Over 36,000 Ontario cancer patients had their surgeries delayed last spring.
"That's a staggering number there and that's in Ontario alone in a very short period of time," said Dr. Antoine Eskander, a surgical oncologist at Sunnybrook Health Sciences Centre in Toronto.
"It's almost impossible to recover from this type of a backlog ... Even if we were to operate on Saturdays and Sundays and into the evenings every day, which we don't have the capacity for, we could not do that even if we wanted to."
Eskander says surgeries have only increased by small increments -- about 6 per cent per week. To increase surgical capacity, it would require not just hospital capacity, but nursing and physician capacity as well. And even then, it would be hard to recover, he says.
"So we're stuck in a situation now where I think it's becoming clear we're going to have to make decisions about surgery and about prioritization of certain types of procedures ... And I'm worried that there will be some patients who won't get surgery for a very long time."
For one single mother, who asked not to be identified, the backlog has meant having her thyroid cancer surgery, originally booked for January after a diagnosis in November, postponed until March.
"Every time I clear my throat -- is it COVID or is that cancer spreading? And that's hard every day," she told CTV National News.
"I often feel my neck, and it's like, oh, there's a lump there. Is that something that's growing or is cancer growing faster than the doctors thought?"
The mental health impact of these delays adds another layer of stress for patients. When her surgery was cancelled, her son was heartbroken, she said, adding that the worry and the delays, combined with the pandemic has affected him in other ways too.
"I know everyday my life's on hold," she said.
Patients advocates say timely surgery for cancer isn't optional -- it's essential.
"When you have a cancer diagnosis, cancer literally cannot wait. It's progressive, it does not sit there and say, OK, we'll wait till COVID is gone and then we'll ramp up. it continues in the body," said Diane Van Keulen, who was diagnosed in March of 2019.
She is at stage four lung cancer, and considers herself "one of the lucky ones", pointing to the other lung cancer patients she knows who are at stage one or two and have had their surgeries cancelled.
"If you're that patient being told your surgery is cancelled, knowing that you could be cured at that stage -- that's not okay. And the psychological stress that incurred on some of my friends was just unbelievable."
A 'TSUNAMI' OF COMPLEX CANCER PATIENTS
Compounding the looming crisis are those who have put off medical attention over fears of catching the virus, and those who have faced delays with routine screenings and biopsies as well. Without a solution to expand capacity, this confluence of circumstances could create a deluge of cases, doctors warn.
"I think the major [issue] is what's called diagnostic delay. So it's delays between when someone has the first symptoms suggesting cancer and when they are diagnosed, or from the time that they would have normally been screened to the time they were diagnosed," said Dr. Tim Hanna, an oncologist with Queen's University's School of Medicine.
"I'm worried that we're missing our chance to catch cancer early, and to treat it early when really, that's the best chance to cure the disease ... If they feel unsafe to visit a practitioner or doctor in person, they should pick up the phone to start. We need to catch up on cancer screening."
He and other doctors are anecdotally seeing more cases of advanced cancer, and more cases that require more complex management.
"It looks like a veritable tsunami of very complex cancer patients heading our way in a very dramatic fashion," said Dr. Gerald Batist, director of the Segal Cancer Centre at the Jewish General Hospital in Montreal.
These are major red flags for oncologists who are urging strong public messaging for people to see a doctor if they have health concerns or if they are past due for a standard breast, colorectal, or cervical cancer screening.
"It's very important that the ... population understand that we have learned very well how to make the hospital environment very COVID safe ... and so everyone should be coming for all of their scheduled screening tests," said Batist.
"This is global, this is not Ontario, this is not Quebec, this is not Canada. This is happening all over the world ... we knew this was coming. Everywhere in the world we're seeing a very dramatic decrease in the number of cases that were diagnosed."
There are no official plans to ramp up surgeries for cancer -- or other conditions -- that doctors are aware of. With cases mounting across the country, doctors are demanding a cancer recovery plan.
"It's very alarming to us and we've all been working our hearts out the whole pandemic to just keep our cancer patients safe and keep treating them as best we could," said Batist.
"This is a catastrophe for cancer care because this will have an impact on their survival."
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on March 21, 2021, 11:25:09 PM
Post by: Anonymous on March 21, 2021, 11:25:09 PM
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on March 22, 2021, 08:56:05 PM
Post by: Anonymous on March 22, 2021, 08:56:05 PM
The Donald Trump-worshipping governor defied the national trend of statewide lockdowns and mask-wearing ordinances. He barred counties from fining people for COVID-19 safety violations. He opened restaurants, bars, beaches and schools.
"Even by Florida Standards, Gov. Ron DeSantis is a COVID-19 Catastrophe," cried a Washington Post headline. On the streets of the Sunshine State, some Democrats wore masks emblazoned with the words "My Governor is an Idiot." Critics predicted that disaster loomed.
Until it never happened. The reputedly reckless approach of Mr. DeSantis is proving to be far less than foolhardy. Florida's per-capita COVID-19 infection and death rates are far down the list of states – not even in the top half – while its economy, which the maverick Governor kept open, is faring far better than that of most states.
Florida's unemployment rate is 5.1 per cent, several points below that of other big states such as California and New York. Floridians have been able to live relatively normal lives, and students have been able to get normal educations.
The country heard President Joe Biden last week saying that he hoped to see all American families reunited by July 4. Mr. DeSantis's rejoinder? "We've been doing that for over a year in Florida."
He was called "DeathSantis" a few months ago. Now he's the toast of the Republican Party. At its big national convention last month in Orlando, where the Governor had home-field advantage, he trounced all comers in a straw poll for who should be the party's 2024 nominee.
In terms of pedigree for a contender, the party could do much worse than this raw-boned righty. At Yale, he was a baseball star like George H.W. Bush. He is a decorated war veteran for his service in Iraq. He's young, 42, and burly in build and temperament. He has experience as a Congressman, he has Mr. Trump in his corner, and unlike the former president, his natural habitat is not a knowledge-free zone.
Even the once highly-critical New York Times ran an article on the weekend putting the Governor and his state in a rather good light. While pointing out that Florida isn't exactly booming – tourism was bound to take a huge hit from the pandemic, and did – the report added that "in a country just coming out of the morose grip of coronavirus lockdowns, Florida feels unmistakably hot."
Not everybody is happy, certainly not the liberally inclined. More than 32,000 Floridians dying from the virus is nothing to boast about. And the Governor has had a big advantage, they say, with the state's climate allowing the population to spend time outdoors, where the virus is more easily dispersed and diluted.
Likely helping his cause was the fact that many Floridians ignored his advice and took precautions anyway. Had Mr. DeSantis not flouted public health measures, far fewer might have died.
What he did, detractors say, was sociopathic, and inspired others. One couple reportedly went to a funeral home to pay their last respects whereupon the barefaced funeral parlour director, following the Governor's lead, chided them for wearing masks.
But Florida is doing better than several other warm-weather states. California has a slightly lower death rate, but the proportion of that state's total population that is senior-aged isn't as high as Florida's.
Unlike New York, where the per-capita death rate is one of the worst in the country, Florida didn't permit hospitals to send COVID-19 patients back to nursing homes. That likely saved a lot of lives.
While in Washington, Mr. DeSantis co-founded the conservative Freedom Caucus. He has come out in favour of allowing people to carry firearms openly. He supported Mr. Trump's bid to overturn last fall's election results. Much of his popularity, he maintains, comes from his quicktongued Trumpian aptitude at what has become one of America's favourite sports: harpooning media elites.
Although the Governor is confident that vaccines will solve the remaining problems, his state isn't out of the woods yet. COVID19 infection numbers have ratcheted up in recent weeks. A dangerous variant is reportedly more prevalent in Florida than it is elsewhere.
But Mr. DeSantis is riding high in the meantime. With his science-defying apostasy in the handling of the pandemic, he's done something that will endear him to Republicans for a long time: He's made the liberal establishment eat crow.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: cc on March 22, 2021, 10:27:36 PM
Post by: cc on March 22, 2021, 10:27:36 PM
Obviously a concern here & mainly UK B117
Ontario is the only province or state that has more than us
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on March 22, 2021, 10:34:33 PM
Post by: Anonymous on March 22, 2021, 10:34:33 PM
Strange here is that while Florida has the most UK variants in the entire US (a concern), our 5 million people province has 25% more of them than Florida which has 21 Million people
Obviously a concern here & mainly UK B117
Ontario is the only province or state that has more than us
Varients have really spread in Canada.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: cc on March 22, 2021, 10:38:27 PM
Post by: cc on March 22, 2021, 10:38:27 PM
I believe you guys have several also
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on March 23, 2021, 06:49:38 AM
Post by: Anonymous on March 23, 2021, 06:49:38 AM
Yes, and replicating rapidly .. We had well over 100 new B117 today & 1300 total
I believe you guys have several also
Two days ago, variants were almost twenty five per cent of the daily total.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on March 26, 2021, 06:52:34 AM
Post by: Anonymous on March 26, 2021, 06:52:34 AM
WASHINGTON—U.S. small businesses have faced an unprecedented economic disruption due to the pandemic and the subsequent government shutdowns. With the economy reopening, many business owners are now hit by another crisis, as they have trouble filling jobs.
Many entrepreneurs can't compete with the unemployment benefits offered by the federal government. Mark Owens, owner of USA Insulation and a trucking company in Indiana, is one of them.
The inability to hire people "has put a burden on our business," Owens said during a virtual roundtable hosted by Rep. Jackie Walorski (R-Ind.) on March 24. "Because nobody wants to come and work."
His business ran 150 job advertisements from December 2020 through Feb. 15 but only three people showed up for an interview during that time. And their objective, he said, was to provide proof of a job search needed to receive benefits rather than to actually get the job.
Candidates say they want the job but they never show up, Owens said, "because we couldn't compete with the unemployment [benefits.]"
According to him, the inability to hire people has been an "emotional rollercoaster" for many small-business owners.
Recent business surveys show that the majority of small-business owners who are hiring have difficulties finding qualified workers. According to a monthly survey by the National Federation of Independent Business (NFIB), job openings in February reached an all-time record high, with 40 percent of companies saying that they can't fill job openings.
"This is a huge departure from what we saw in the last recession in 2009, where it was roughly 7 percent," Holly Wade, executive director at the NFIB Research Center, said at the roundtable meeting.
The CARES Act enacted in March 2020 provided a $600 weekly benefit on top of regular unemployment insurance benefits. Following the expiration of the supplemental benefit in July 2020, the Trump administration via executive order authorized an extra $300 per week federal payment.
The Biden administration's new $1.9 trillion stimulus plan extended the weekly unemployment benefit at $300 through Sept. 6. In addition, the bill included a provision that made the first $10,200 in unemployment benefits received in 2020 nontaxable for households earning $150,000 or less.
Some economists have argued that the supplemental benefit has discouraged workers from returning to work. According to American Action Forum, a center-right policy institute, 37 percent of workers could make more on unemployment at the $300 level than they would earn by returning to work.
Advocates of the supplemental benefit, however, argue that continued relief is critical, especially for Americans experiencing long-term job losses in the hardest-hit service industries, such as restaurants.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on March 26, 2021, 04:51:35 PM
Post by: Anonymous on March 26, 2021, 04:51:35 PM
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on March 27, 2021, 06:44:53 AM
Post by: Anonymous on March 27, 2021, 06:44:53 AM
The Department of Justice announced it has charged nearly 500 people with engaging in COVID-19 scams worth hundreds of millions of dollars.
"The Department of Justice (DOJ) has led a historic enforcement initiative to detect and disrupt COVID-19 related fraud schemes," Attorney General Merrick Garland said in a news release on Friday, referring to the disease caused by the CCP (Chinese Communist Party) virus. "The impact of the department's work to date sends a clear and unmistakable message to those who would exploit a national emergency to steal taxpayer-funded resources from vulnerable individuals and small businesses."
The agency charged 474 defendants with engaging in criminally fraudulent schemes and attempted to obtain over $569 million from the federal government as well as unsuspecting victims.
"We are committed to protecting the American people and the integrity of the critical lifelines provided for them by Congress, and we will continue to respond to this challenge," said Garland.
Since Congress passed the $2 trillion CARES Act last year, the agency has investigated claims related to COVID-19-related scams, including ones that bilked the Paycheck Protection Program, the Economic Injury Disaster Loans, and unemployment insurance out of money. Then-Attorney General William Barr instructed federal prosecutors investigate and prosecute fraud claims.
"We will not allow American citizens or the critical benefits programs that have been created to assist them to be preyed upon by those seeking to take advantage of this national emergency," said Acting Assistant Attorney General Brian M. Boynton of the Justice Department's Civil Division in the release. "We are proud to work with our law enforcement partners to hold wrongdoers accountable and to safeguard taxpayer funds."
The DOJ focused on one case in Texas involving an alleged fraudster, Dinesh Sah, who applied for 15 Payment Protection Program loans using 11 different companies before receiving more than $17 million in government loans, which were used to buy property, jewelry, a Bentley convertible, and other items. Sah has since pleaded guilty.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on March 27, 2021, 10:45:57 AM
Post by: Anonymous on March 27, 2021, 10:45:57 AM
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on March 30, 2021, 11:57:01 AM
Post by: Anonymous on March 30, 2021, 11:57:01 AM
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on April 01, 2021, 11:45:54 PM
Post by: Anonymous on April 01, 2021, 11:45:54 PM
Why Is Everyone in Texas Not Dying?
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on April 06, 2021, 04:43:35 PM
Post by: Anonymous on April 06, 2021, 04:43:35 PM
A year later
Originally, we were told that governments can assume unprecedented control over our lives, businesses, and even our own faces for the goal of not overrunning hospitals. A year later, as we come increasingly close to herd immunity, not only are hospitals in no danger of being overrun, but it turns out that people have likely contracted the virus at a rate that would have occurred without any of these restrictions – and their calamitous damage to society. Twelve months later, it's all pain and no gain.
We've always known that the number of confirmed COVID cases in a given region is only a fraction of the likely infection rate. Now, according to Great Britain's Office for National Statistics (ONS), 54.7% of people in England in a random sample of 30,000 have SARS-CoV-2 antibodies, which includes people who have had been infected or have been vaccinated. Those are the sort of numbers we were promised would happen only if we just "let the virus rip" without any non-pharmaceutical interventions, aka lockdowns and mask-wearing. But it turns out that the virus was always gonna virus, regardless of what hocus-pocus was thrown in front of it.
This data demonstrates that the entire 12-month premise of lockdowns and masks to slow the spread was a lie (after the original lie of flatten the curve), and even more so, any continuation of these policies after most people have immunity is built upon a dastardly lie. Even if the new goal has changed illogically from decreasing the burden on the hospitals to slowing the growth of cases, it's quite evident that these measures don't work. We have now achieved well over 50% immunity between infection and vaccines in most Western countries, built on 12 months of masochist public policy designed to preclude that immunity.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on April 15, 2021, 06:41:23 PM
Post by: Anonymous on April 15, 2021, 06:41:23 PM
The largest increases happened in April and May 2020, when government-mandated lockdowns were the strictest.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on April 15, 2021, 11:44:19 PM
Post by: Anonymous on April 15, 2021, 11:44:19 PM
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on April 16, 2021, 09:12:24 AM
Post by: Anonymous on April 16, 2021, 09:12:24 AM
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on April 16, 2021, 11:44:04 AM
Post by: Anonymous on April 16, 2021, 11:44:04 AM
Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis issued a statewide stay-at-home order on April 1 last year locking down the Sunshine State for 30 days amid a global panic about the CCP (Chinese Communist Party) virus outbreak. Sitting in his office exactly a year later, he told The Epoch Times that the lockdowns were a "huge mistake," including in his own state.
The governor nonetheless now regrets issuing the order at all and is convinced that states that have carried on with lockdowns are perpetuating a destructive blunder.
The governor fully reopened Florida on Sept. 25 last year. When cases began to rise as part of the winter surge he did not reimpose any restrictions. Lockdown proponents forecast doom and gloom. DeSantis stood his ground.
Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis gives a thumbs up as he leaves a press conference where he spoke about the cruise industry at Port Miami on April 08, 2021 in Miami, Florida. (Joe Raedle/Getty Images)
The governor's persistence wasn't a leap of faith. Less than two weeks after Florida's full reopening in late September, scientists from Stanford, Harvard, and Oxford went public with the Great Barrington Declaration, which disavowed lockdowns as a destructive and futile mitigation measure. The declaration, which has since been signed by 13,985 medical and public health scientists, calls on public officials to adopt the focused protection approach—the exact strategy employed by DeSantis.
Despite dire predictions about the pandemic in Florida, DeSantis has been vindicated. On April 1, 2021, Florida ranked 27th among all states in deaths per capita from the CCP virus, commonly known as the coronavirus.
The ranking's significance is amplified because the Sunshine State's population is the sixth oldest in the United States by median age. California—the lockdown state often compared to Florida due to its lower per-capita death rate—is the sixth youngest. The risk of dying from the CCP virus is highest for people over 55, with the group accounting for 93 percent of the deaths nationwide.
While Florida is doing either better or relatively the same as the strict lockdown states in terms of CCP virus mortalities, the state's economy is booming compared to the crippled economies in California and New York. Though less quantifiable, the human suffering from the lockdown-related rise in suicides, mental health issues, postponed medical treatments, and opioid deaths is undeniably immense.
"It's been a huge, huge mistake in terms of policy," DeSantis said.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on April 28, 2021, 06:58:41 PM
Post by: Anonymous on April 28, 2021, 06:58:41 PM
Some non-urgent surgeries and ambulatory appointments will be postponed in Calgary, Edmonton and the North zone starting Tuesday to create more capacity for COVID-19 hospitalizations.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on April 28, 2021, 10:24:19 PM
Post by: Anonymous on April 28, 2021, 10:24:19 PM
Lockdowns are accomplishing little benefit, but colossal damage. That's the conclusion of a research paper by Simon Fraser University Economics Professor Douglas W. Allen, who concludes "it is possible that lockdown will go down as one of the greatest peacetime policy failures in Canada's history."
Professor Allen's paper is an examination of over 80 research papers from around the world that studied lockdowns. He found that many of them employed false assumptions, greatly overestimated the benefits of lockdowns and underestimated their harms.
Perhaps the greatest error in the reports and modelling, according to Allen, is the assumption that places without lockdowns would involve people taking zero precautions.
"Lockdown jurisdictions were not able to prevent non-compliance, and non-lockdown jurisdictions benefited from voluntary changes in behavior that mimicked lockdowns," Allen observes.
Any Canadian who has snowbird friends reporting back from the front lines in Florida — the first U.S. state to end its lockdown and mask mandate — knows that there are still many people choosing to follow precautions, it's just that those who don't are not fined or arrested like they are in many parts of Canada.
Allen breaks down one report that shows "the variation in stay-at-home orders across the U.S. and found that lockdowns had only modest effects on Covid-19 transmission rates."
Among the 20 studies that did acknowledge the difference between mandatory and voluntary measures, "all of them find that mandated lockdowns have only marginal effects and that voluntary changes in behavior explain large parts of the changes in cases, transmissions, and deaths."
So not only are the benefits of lockdowns negligible at best, but their harms are overwhelming. Not that Canadian officials bothered to check.
"Over the course of the Covid-19 pandemic, there has been no public evidence that either the federal or provincial governments of Canada have considered both the benefit and cost sides of their policy decisions," the report notes. "To my knowledge, no government has provided any formal cost/benefit analysis of their actions."
(Ontario medical officers confirmed to me when I asked them during a press conference earlier this year that the province has not undertaken a formal cost/benefit analysis.)
While there have been various standalone reports on lockdown harms such as job losses and mental health challenges, comprehensive studies are hard to come by.
"Many of the costs will not be known for years as they work out in reduced graduation rates, reduced future earnings, and reduced long run health status," notes Allen.
Allen's own cost/benefit analysis uses an elaborate calculation to determine how many years of lost life will have been caused by the various harms of lockdowns versus how many years of lost life were saved by lockdowns.
"The benefit of lockdown, therefore, was the avoidance of this extra 22,333 years of lost life. However, the cost of lockdown... was 6,300,000 years of lost life."
Based on this calculation, the big picture long-term societal harms of lockdowns are 282 times worse than their benefits. It's a staggering finding.
While Canadians won't be used to hearing about lockdowns discussed in this regard, Allen is far from the first to use this sort of calculation.
Last spring, the New Zealand Productivity Commission — a Crown agency similar to Canada's Parliamentary Budget Officer — did a study using a metric known as Quality Adjusted Life Years to weigh the advantages of extending one of their lockdowns, and found the long-term harms were almost 100 times greater than the benefits.
The numbers will vary study by study, the conclusions will no doubt be debated — but what's important is that more people start taking the topic of lockdown harms seriously. Kudos to Professor Douglas W. Allen for his great efforts in advancing the conversation.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on April 28, 2021, 11:03:15 PM
Post by: Anonymous on April 28, 2021, 11:03:15 PM
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on April 28, 2021, 11:22:18 PM
Post by: Anonymous on April 28, 2021, 11:22:18 PM
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on April 30, 2021, 01:12:37 PM
Post by: Anonymous on April 30, 2021, 01:12:37 PM
Police said a murder suspect called the victim he allegedly stabbed to death an "anti-masker" soon after last weekend's incident outside a Bothell, Washington, apartment building, the Seattle Times reported.
What are the details?
Charging documents say John Huynh and two friends exited the Villas at Beardslee apartments just before 7:30 p.m. Sunday and headed to a car parked nearby where Huynh's wife was waiting, the paper said.
With that a man — a stranger and fellow resident of the apartment building — flashed his middle finger, and Huynh stopped to ask him if he had flipped him off or waved to him, the Times said, citing charging papers.
The pair faced each other about four or five feet apart when the man lunged forward, stabbed Huynh in the chest, and then ran back into the building, the paper said, citing the charges.
A friend of Huynh ran over and put pressure on the wound, and witnesses called 911 and got the attention of a Bothell police officer who was across the street, the Times said, citing the charging papers.
Soon a woman approached a police officer and said her son had been involved and needed medical attention for a cut on his hand, after which she gave the officer a key to her third-floor unit, and police entered the apartment and arrested 25-year-old Ian Williams in a bedroom, the paper said, citing the charges.
'Anti-masker'
Williams' mother told police her son ran into their apartment yelling for her and "told her that an anti-masker had attacked him," a Bothell detective wrote in charging papers, the Times said, adding that "she told him to show her where he was hurt, and he initially said he was not hurt, but he thought he hurt the other guy."
Police later obtained a warrant to search the apartment and found a folding knife with blood on the blade in the bathroom, the paper said, citing the charges, adding that Williams' mother told police her son normally carries a knife for protection and to open boxes.
The detective wrote in the charging documents that in reviewing video of the incident, Huynh and his friends exited the apartment building lobby doors three minutes after Williams, and as Huynh walked by Williams, something drew his attention, and the pair faced each other, the Times said.
"Their arms are not raised and they do not make physical contact," the detective added, according to the paper. "Suddenly, Ian Williams makes a thrusting motion toward Huynh, and Huynh stumbles backward."
When Williams ran back inside the lobby, video showed him still holding a knife in his right hand, the Times reported, citing the charges.
Huynh — whose stab wound was to his heart — died at the scene, the paper said. He was 29 and a newlywed. The paper, citing an online wedding website, said Huynh and his wife were married in Renton in November. A GoFundMe campaign has raised over $72,000 as of Friday morning to provide financial support to Huynh's wife and parents, the Times said.
What happened to the suspect?
Williams — who hadn't had previous disputes with Huynh — was charged Wednesday with second-degree murder with a deadly weapon and jailed in lieu of $2 million bail, the paper said, citing court and jail records. Prosecutors told the Times that Williams — who does not appear to have any criminal history — is scheduled for a May 12 arraignment.
Williams also is a college senior studying computer science, KIRO-TV reported.
"I know there have been a lot of questions regarding motive, and this investigation is just in its beginning process," Bothell police Capt. Bryan Keller told the station.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Frood on April 30, 2021, 01:21:23 PM
Post by: Frood on April 30, 2021, 01:21:23 PM
I didn't watch the whole video..
But, the part about the solution to the pandemic, isolation, inactivity are terrible recommendations.
Maybe to the cage loving sorts...
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on April 30, 2021, 01:22:32 PM
Post by: Anonymous on April 30, 2021, 01:22:32 PM
This is insane.Murder suspect called victim he allegedly stabbed to death an 'anti-masker' just after incident, police sayhttps://www.theblaze.com/news/murder-suspect-victim-anti-masker?utm_source=theblaze-breaking&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=20210430Trending-ProfessorCopHero&utm_term=ACTIVE%20LIST%20-%20TheBlaze%20Breaking%20News
Police said a murder suspect called the victim he allegedly stabbed to death an "anti-masker" soon after last weekend's incident outside a Bothell, Washington, apartment building, the Seattle Times reported.
What are the details?
Charging documents say John Huynh and two friends exited the Villas at Beardslee apartments just before 7:30 p.m. Sunday and headed to a car parked nearby where Huynh's wife was waiting, the paper said.
With that a man — a stranger and fellow resident of the apartment building — flashed his middle finger, and Huynh stopped to ask him if he had flipped him off or waved to him, the Times said, citing charging papers.
The pair faced each other about four or five feet apart when the man lunged forward, stabbed Huynh in the chest, and then ran back into the building, the paper said, citing the charges.
A friend of Huynh ran over and put pressure on the wound, and witnesses called 911 and got the attention of a Bothell police officer who was across the street, the Times said, citing the charging papers.
Soon a woman approached a police officer and said her son had been involved and needed medical attention for a cut on his hand, after which she gave the officer a key to her third-floor unit, and police entered the apartment and arrested 25-year-old Ian Williams in a bedroom, the paper said, citing the charges.
'Anti-masker'
Williams' mother told police her son ran into their apartment yelling for her and "told her that an anti-masker had attacked him," a Bothell detective wrote in charging papers, the Times said, adding that "she told him to show her where he was hurt, and he initially said he was not hurt, but he thought he hurt the other guy."
Police later obtained a warrant to search the apartment and found a folding knife with blood on the blade in the bathroom, the paper said, citing the charges, adding that Williams' mother told police her son normally carries a knife for protection and to open boxes.
The detective wrote in the charging documents that in reviewing video of the incident, Huynh and his friends exited the apartment building lobby doors three minutes after Williams, and as Huynh walked by Williams, something drew his attention, and the pair faced each other, the Times said.
"Their arms are not raised and they do not make physical contact," the detective added, according to the paper. "Suddenly, Ian Williams makes a thrusting motion toward Huynh, and Huynh stumbles backward."
When Williams ran back inside the lobby, video showed him still holding a knife in his right hand, the Times reported, citing the charges.
Huynh — whose stab wound was to his heart — died at the scene, the paper said. He was 29 and a newlywed. The paper, citing an online wedding website, said Huynh and his wife were married in Renton in November. A GoFundMe campaign has raised over $72,000 as of Friday morning to provide financial support to Huynh's wife and parents, the Times said.
What happened to the suspect?
Williams — who hadn't had previous disputes with Huynh — was charged Wednesday with second-degree murder with a deadly weapon and jailed in lieu of $2 million bail, the paper said, citing court and jail records. Prosecutors told the Times that Williams — who does not appear to have any criminal history — is scheduled for a May 12 arraignment.
Williams also is a college senior studying computer science, KIRO-TV reported.
"I know there have been a lot of questions regarding motive, and this investigation is just in its beginning process," Bothell police Capt. Bryan Keller told the station.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on May 05, 2021, 04:08:07 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 05, 2021, 04:08:07 PM
As more and more states start easing pandemic restrictions, restaurants large and small are grappling with a widespread problem: hiring employees.
Owners and managers from New York, California, Washington, and Chicago told The Epoch Times hiring woes have become a nightmare amid a litany of other challenges like indoor occupancy rules. They say the federal unemployment bonuses handed out during the CCP (Chinese Communist Party) virus pandemic incentivized people to stay home instead of working.
Now, restaurants are starting the long, hard, and costly climb back to profitability. The lockdowns imposed across the country a year ago have since put out of business over 110,000 eateries, some of them permanently.
It's become so dire that one McDonald's location in Florida started paying $50 to anyone who would show up for a job interview. Other franchises like Taco Bell, which needs at least 5,000 new employees, are holding hiring events in parking lots.
Hiring difficulties have long existed in the service industry, even before the pandemic. But Hudson Riehle, the senior vice president for research at the National Restaurant Association said it's reaching unprecedented levels.
"When it comes to recruiting workforce, in January, 7 percent of restaurant operators rated recruitment and retention of workforce as their top challenge; by April that number had risen to 57 percent," Riehle told The Epoch Times.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on May 06, 2021, 02:08:04 AM
Post by: Anonymous on May 06, 2021, 02:08:04 AM
Restaurants Ready to Hire, but Government Payments Keep Workers Home
As more and more states start easing pandemic restrictions, restaurants large and small are grappling with a widespread problem: hiring employees.
Owners and managers from New York, California, Washington, and Chicago told The Epoch Times hiring woes have become a nightmare amid a litany of other challenges like indoor occupancy rules. They say the federal unemployment bonuses handed out during the CCP (Chinese Communist Party) virus pandemic incentivized people to stay home instead of working.
Now, restaurants are starting the long, hard, and costly climb back to profitability. The lockdowns imposed across the country a year ago have since put out of business over 110,000 eateries, some of them permanently.
It's become so dire that one McDonald's location in Florida started paying $50 to anyone who would show up for a job interview. Other franchises like Taco Bell, which needs at least 5,000 new employees, are holding hiring events in parking lots.
Hiring difficulties have long existed in the service industry, even before the pandemic. But Hudson Riehle, the senior vice president for research at the National Restaurant Association said it's reaching unprecedented levels.
"When it comes to recruiting workforce, in January, 7 percent of restaurant operators rated recruitment and retention of workforce as their top challenge; by April that number had risen to 57 percent," Riehle told The Epoch Times.https://www.theepochtimes.com/mkt_morningbrief/restaurants-ready-to-hire-but-government-payments-keep-workers-home_3796054.html?utm_source=morningbriefnoe&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=mb-2021-05-05&mktids=f6ece512e0ef5607dfbf464097ef2c3e&est=a1NB%2FI9%2FiwZ4Ifz41wbXVfa9LQfLzu0DeWmAhgxnhUbCS07jFyiNHHQGMTBimgXtHg%3D%3D
I want a decent social safety net. But, paying people not to work and as a result shut down businesses is not a way to provide long term security for anybody.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on May 07, 2021, 04:00:04 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 07, 2021, 04:00:04 PM
Employment levels had been slowly increasing as businesses began to reopen from the worst months of the pandemic, with 536,000 new jobs added in February and 770,000 added in March. April's anemic figure came as a surprise to many Wall Street analysts, who predicted that the rate of jobs added would continue to increase.
There seems, however, to be one major roadblock to continued job growth: Companies are reporting that they are simply not able to find anyone to fill certain jobs for a variety of reasons, including the relative attractiveness of expanded federal unemployment benefits, and the inability of some parents to resume full time work because schools in many parts of the country have not fully reopened for full-time in-person learning. Bloomberg reports that the number of available jobs is reaching record levels, in spite of the high unemployment numbers.
This tension is causing some states to react. The Republican governors of South Carolina and Montana announced Thursday that they are ending enhanced federal unemployment benefits for all residents in their states beginning next month, saying that the benefits are unnecessarily discouraging people from returning to work and causing labor shortages in critical industries.
Montana Gov. Greg Gianforte (R) said, in explaining the move, that "Incentives matter, and the vast expansion of federal unemployment benefits is now doing more harm than good. We need to incentivize Montanans to reenter the workforce."
Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis (R) also announced Thursday that Florida residents will be required to show proof that they are looking for work in order to continue to receive unemployment benefits beginning on May 29. Florida's requirement for weekly "work search" reports had previously been suspended by a DeSantis executive order, but DeSantis indicated that he would not renew the order when it expires later this month.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on May 11, 2021, 12:26:57 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 11, 2021, 12:26:57 PM
Economics professor Doug Allen wanted to know why so many early models used to create COVID-19 lockdown policies turned out to be highly incorrect. What he found was that a great majority were based on false assumptions and "tended to over-estimate the benefits and under-estimate the costs." He found it troubling that policies such as total lockdowns were based on those models.
In a paper he published in April, in which he compiled his findings based on a review of over 80 papers on the effects of lockdowns around the world, Allen concluded that lockdowns may be one of "the greatest peacetime policy failures in Canada's history."
He says many of the studies early in the pandemic assumed that human behaviour changes only as a result of state-mandated intervention, such as the closing of schools and non-essential businesses, mask and social distancing orders, and restrictions on private social gatherings.
Furthermore, "The limited effectiveness of lockdowns explains why, after one year, the unconditional cumulative deaths per million, and the pattern of daily deaths per million, is not negatively correlated with the stringency of lockdown across countries," writes Allen. In other words, in his assessment, heavy lockdowns do not meaningfully reduce the number of deaths in the areas where they are implemented, when compared to areas where lockdowns were not implemented or as stringent.
He says that politicians often take credit for having achieved a reduction in case numbers through their lockdown measures.
Allen laments that media for the most part have carried only one side of the debate on COVID-19 restrictions and haven't examined the other side. Adding to the concern, he says, is that views contrary to the official government response are often pulled from social media platforms.
He says he has heard that even his own published study has been censored by some social media sites.
"In some sense these are private platforms. They can do what they want. But on the other hand, I feel kind of sad that we live in the kind of a world where posing opposing opinions is either dismissed, ignored, or ... name-called, [and] in some ways cancelled," Allen said.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on May 14, 2021, 11:33:54 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 14, 2021, 11:33:54 PM
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on May 18, 2021, 06:47:58 AM
Post by: Anonymous on May 18, 2021, 06:47:58 AM
Americans gained nearly 2 pounds per month under COVID-19 shelter-in-place orders in 2020, according to a new study published Monday in JAMA Network Open.
Those who kept the same lockdown habits could have gained 20 pounds during the past year, the study authors said.
"We know that weight gain is a public health problem in the U.S. already, so anything making it worse is definitely concerning, and shelter-in-place orders are so ubiquitous that the sheer number of people affected by this makes it extremely relevant," Gregory Marcus, MD, the senior author and a cardiologist at the University of California, San Francisco, told The New York Times.
Marcus and colleagues analyzed more than 7,000 weight measurements from 269 people in 37 states who used Bluetooth-connected scales from Feb. 1 through June 1, 2020. Among the participants, about 52% were women, 77% were white, and they had an average age of 52.
The research team found that participants had a steady weight gain of more than half a pound every 10 days. That equals about 1.5 to 2 pounds per month.
Many of the participants were losing weight before the shelter-in-place orders went into effect, Marcus told TheTimes. The lockdown effects could be even greater for those who weren't losing weight before.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on May 19, 2021, 04:54:35 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 19, 2021, 04:54:35 PM
So many people on the liberal side see the mask as a sign that you're part of 'the party,' and when you're not wearing a mask, you're a problem.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on May 21, 2021, 04:25:27 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 21, 2021, 04:25:27 PM
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on May 21, 2021, 05:52:21 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 21, 2021, 05:52:21 PM
OTTAWA – The COVID-19 pandemic has eroded Canadians trust in their governments, public health officials, science and even neighbours, according to a new poll commissioned by Postmedia.
When people were asked if the pandemic had permanently eroded their trust in provincial or federal governments more than 60 per cent said it had eroded their trust, either a little or a lot, in both the federal government (63%) or their provincial government (62%).
The poll also looked at trust erosion for Dr. Theresa Tam, Canada's chief public health officer, which has eroded either a little or a lot among 46 per cent of Canadians.
But provincial public health institutions, led by the chief medical officers, also took a hit with almost half of Canadians (49%) saying they had lost trust in them.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on May 21, 2021, 05:55:36 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 21, 2021, 05:55:36 PM
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on June 01, 2021, 02:41:12 AM
Post by: Anonymous on June 01, 2021, 02:41:12 AM
Australian Court Upholds Ban on Most International Travel
An Australian court has rejected a challenge to the federal government's draconian power to prevent most citizens from leaving the country so they don't bring COVID-19 home.
Australia is alone among developed democracies in preventing its citizens and permanent residents from leaving the country except in "exceptional circumstances" where they can demonstrate a "compelling reason."
Most Australians have been stranded in their island nation since March 2020 under a government emergency order made under the powerful Biosecurity Act.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Frood on June 01, 2021, 03:06:11 AM
Post by: Frood on June 01, 2021, 03:06:11 AM
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Frood on June 01, 2021, 04:54:13 AM
Post by: Frood on June 01, 2021, 04:54:13 AM
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on June 01, 2021, 08:28:54 AM
Post by: Anonymous on June 01, 2021, 08:28:54 AM
Pretty extreme.
Australian Court Upholds Ban on Most International Travel
An Australian court has rejected a challenge to the federal government's draconian power to prevent most citizens from leaving the country so they don't bring COVID-19 home.. https://www.usnews.com/news/world/articles/2021-05-31/australian-court-upholds-ban-on-most-international-travel#:~:text=CANBERRA%2C%20Australia%20(AP)%20%E2%80%94,t%20bring%20COVID%2D19%20home
Australia is alone among developed democracies in preventing its citizens and permanent residents from leaving the country except in "exceptional circumstances" where they can demonstrate a "compelling reason."
Most Australians have been stranded in their island nation since March 2020 under a government emergency order made under the powerful Biosecurity Act.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: cc on June 01, 2021, 11:06:56 AM
Post by: cc on June 01, 2021, 11:06:56 AM
Something is not right in this picture ... why are flights in and out allowed??
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on June 01, 2021, 03:03:12 PM
Post by: Anonymous on June 01, 2021, 03:03:12 PM
Why does my country allow people to fly places and return bringing god knows what with them ... while I can almost see my daughter's city from my window .. yet cannot drive across the border to see her??
Something is not right in this picture ... why are flights in and out allowed??
Restricting outbound movement.......wow.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on June 13, 2021, 01:14:57 PM
Post by: Anonymous on June 13, 2021, 01:14:57 PM
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on June 13, 2021, 10:44:37 PM
Post by: Anonymous on June 13, 2021, 10:44:37 PM
A record 5.6% of restaurant workers quit their jobs in April.
Analysts say this indicates that workers are confident they can find other jobs easily.
The restaurant industry has a record 1.34 million job openings.
Restaurant workers quit at record levels in April, and it's another sign that employers are going to have to work harder to attract and retain workers.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on June 14, 2021, 05:23:11 PM
Post by: Anonymous on June 14, 2021, 05:23:11 PM
"Lockdowns are not a tool to eradicate the disease," Bhattacharya said on Fox News. "At best what they do is push the cases into the future."
In early 2020, the first wave of lockdowns cost Americans 22 million jobs. In March of 2021, even after many lockdowns were lifted, monthly job losses were still more than 6.2 million, exemplifying the long-lasting effects of the pandemic.
Around 200,000 businesses, especially many small businesses, were closed permanently due to COVID restrictions, according to estimations by Federal Reserve economists.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on June 15, 2021, 04:03:53 PM
Post by: Anonymous on June 15, 2021, 04:03:53 PM
About 200,000 U.S. establishments permanently closed in 2020, according to a study released in April by the Federal Reserve. Barbershops, nail salons, and other personal service providers were hit the hardest, according to the study.
Americans who have real jobs sacrificed a lot. Out of touch White House advisors, not so much.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on June 16, 2021, 08:48:31 AM
Post by: Anonymous on June 16, 2021, 08:48:31 AM
A former COVID-19 advisor for President Joe Biden's administration said Americans will need to sacrifice more in the event of another pandemic. Andy Slavitt, a former White House COVID-19 response advisor, said on "CBS This Morning."
About 200,000 U.S. establishments permanently closed in 2020, according to a study released in April by the Federal Reserve. Barbershops, nail salons, and other personal service providers were hit the hardest, according to the study.
Americans who have real jobs sacrificed a lot. Out of touch White House advisors, not so much.
Average people haven't sacrificed enough.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Renee on June 16, 2021, 12:41:38 PM
Post by: Renee on June 16, 2021, 12:41:38 PM
A former COVID-19 advisor for President Joe Biden's administration said Americans will need to sacrifice more in the event of another pandemic. Andy Slavitt, a former White House COVID-19 response advisor, said on "CBS This Morning."
About 200,000 U.S. establishments permanently closed in 2020, according to a study released in April by the Federal Reserve. Barbershops, nail salons, and other personal service providers were hit the hardest, according to the study.
Americans who have real jobs sacrificed a lot. Out of touch White House advisors, not so much.
This is how the beltway elites think...They are the new royalty and actually believe there own bullshit...This is why they are so hard to combat...They actually think they know what's best for you and they think that they have a righteous purpose in telling the plebiscite masses how to live, think and behave...
Now you may ask, "how did it get this way in this once proud constitutional republic?...One and only one reason...The overwhelming stupidity of the average American voter. 81 million of them voted in the last presidential election and that is why we have a Botox stuffed, influence peddling, money laundering, career criminal turned vegetable in the oval office. We traded a man who worked 16hrs a day for the betterment of this country for a turnip that sleeps 16hrs a day and is only interested in tapioca and sniffing the hair of little girls.
Now tell me and make me believe that we are not the dumbest nation on the planet.... Good luck.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on June 16, 2021, 08:38:39 PM
Post by: Anonymous on June 16, 2021, 08:38:39 PM
A former COVID-19 advisor for President Joe Biden's administration said Americans will need to sacrifice more in the event of another pandemic. Andy Slavitt, a former White House COVID-19 response advisor, said on "CBS This Morning."
About 200,000 U.S. establishments permanently closed in 2020, according to a study released in April by the Federal Reserve. Barbershops, nail salons, and other personal service providers were hit the hardest, according to the study.
Americans who have real jobs sacrificed a lot. Out of touch White House advisors, not so much.
This is how the beltway elites think...They are the new royalty and actually believe there own bullshit...This is why they are so hard to combat...They actually think they know what's best for you and they think that they have a righteous purpose in telling the plebiscite masses how to live, think and behave...
Now you may ask, "how did it get this way in this once proud constitutional republic?...One and only one reason...The overwhelming stupidity of the average American voter. 81 million of them voted in the last presidential election and that is why we have a Botox stuffed, influence peddling, money laundering, career criminal turned vegetable in the oval office. We traded a man who worked 16hrs a day for the betterment of this country for a turnip that sleeps 16hrs a day and is only interested in tapioca and sniffing the hair of little girls.
Now tell me and make me believe that we are not the dumbest nation on the planet.... Good luck.
Biden has been part of Washington longer than the dirt under the Capitol building. Yet, few Americans know much about him.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Renee on June 17, 2021, 11:31:55 AM
Post by: Renee on June 17, 2021, 11:31:55 AM
A former COVID-19 advisor for President Joe Biden's administration said Americans will need to sacrifice more in the event of another pandemic. Andy Slavitt, a former White House COVID-19 response advisor, said on "CBS This Morning."
About 200,000 U.S. establishments permanently closed in 2020, according to a study released in April by the Federal Reserve. Barbershops, nail salons, and other personal service providers were hit the hardest, according to the study.
Americans who have real jobs sacrificed a lot. Out of touch White House advisors, not so much.
This is how the beltway elites think...They are the new royalty and actually believe there own bullshit...This is why they are so hard to combat...They actually think they know what's best for you and they think that they have a righteous purpose in telling the plebiscite masses how to live, think and behave...
Now you may ask, "how did it get this way in this once proud constitutional republic?...One and only one reason...The overwhelming stupidity of the average American voter. 81 million of them voted in the last presidential election and that is why we have a Botox stuffed, influence peddling, money laundering, career criminal turned vegetable in the oval office. We traded a man who worked 16hrs a day for the betterment of this country for a turnip that sleeps 16hrs a day and is only interested in tapioca and sniffing the hair of little girls.
Now tell me and make me believe that we are not the dumbest nation on the planet.... Good luck.
Biden has been part of Washington longer than the dirt under the Capitol building. Yet, few Americans know much about him.
The Americans that voted for that old political barnacle don't know much about anything...Why?...Because they are willfully ignorant, TDS infected and thus mentally impaired....and that's a fact...Oh many of them may attempt to claim the intellectual high ground and the media mob falls all over itself in promoting that myth but that's an act of willful ignorance as well. Most liberal scum don't have the guts to performed a single ounce of honest introspective examination. Deep down they fear, and rightfully so that there are huge gapping holes in their bubble of intellectual arogance.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on June 18, 2021, 01:30:30 AM
Post by: Anonymous on June 18, 2021, 01:30:30 AM
A former COVID-19 advisor for President Joe Biden's administration said Americans will need to sacrifice more in the event of another pandemic. Andy Slavitt, a former White House COVID-19 response advisor, said on "CBS This Morning."
About 200,000 U.S. establishments permanently closed in 2020, according to a study released in April by the Federal Reserve. Barbershops, nail salons, and other personal service providers were hit the hardest, according to the study.
Americans who have real jobs sacrificed a lot. Out of touch White House advisors, not so much.
This is how the beltway elites think...They are the new royalty and actually believe there own bullshit...This is why they are so hard to combat...They actually think they know what's best for you and they think that they have a righteous purpose in telling the plebiscite masses how to live, think and behave...
Now you may ask, "how did it get this way in this once proud constitutional republic?...One and only one reason...The overwhelming stupidity of the average American voter. 81 million of them voted in the last presidential election and that is why we have a Botox stuffed, influence peddling, money laundering, career criminal turned vegetable in the oval office. We traded a man who worked 16hrs a day for the betterment of this country for a turnip that sleeps 16hrs a day and is only interested in tapioca and sniffing the hair of little girls.
Now tell me and make me believe that we are not the dumbest nation on the planet.... Good luck.
Biden has been part of Washington longer than the dirt under the Capitol building. Yet, few Americans know much about him.
The Americans that voted for that old political barnacle don't know much about anything...Why?...Because they are willfully ignorant, TDS infected and thus mentally impaired....and that's a fact...Oh many of them may attempt to claim the intellectual high ground and the media mob falls all over itself in promoting that myth but that's an act of willful ignorance as well. Most liberal scum don't have the guts to performed a single ounce of honest introspective examination. Deep down they fear, and rightfully so that there are huge gapping holes in their bubble of intellectual arogance.
It's easy to claim the intellectual high ground when all you have to do to earn it is label everyone who disagrees with you a racist, denier or worst of all, a Trump supporter.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Renee on June 21, 2021, 07:35:27 PM
Post by: Renee on June 21, 2021, 07:35:27 PM
A former COVID-19 advisor for President Joe Biden's administration said Americans will need to sacrifice more in the event of another pandemic. Andy Slavitt, a former White House COVID-19 response advisor, said on "CBS This Morning."
About 200,000 U.S. establishments permanently closed in 2020, according to a study released in April by the Federal Reserve. Barbershops, nail salons, and other personal service providers were hit the hardest, according to the study.
Americans who have real jobs sacrificed a lot. Out of touch White House advisors, not so much.
This is how the beltway elites think...They are the new royalty and actually believe there own bullshit...This is why they are so hard to combat...They actually think they know what's best for you and they think that they have a righteous purpose in telling the plebiscite masses how to live, think and behave...
Now you may ask, "how did it get this way in this once proud constitutional republic?...One and only one reason...The overwhelming stupidity of the average American voter. 81 million of them voted in the last presidential election and that is why we have a Botox stuffed, influence peddling, money laundering, career criminal turned vegetable in the oval office. We traded a man who worked 16hrs a day for the betterment of this country for a turnip that sleeps 16hrs a day and is only interested in tapioca and sniffing the hair of little girls.
Now tell me and make me believe that we are not the dumbest nation on the planet.... Good luck.
Biden has been part of Washington longer than the dirt under the Capitol building. Yet, few Americans know much about him.
The Americans that voted for that old political barnacle don't know much about anything...Why?...Because they are willfully ignorant, TDS infected and thus mentally impaired....and that's a fact...Oh many of them may attempt to claim the intellectual high ground and the media mob falls all over itself in promoting that myth but that's an act of willful ignorance as well. Most liberal scum don't have the guts to performed a single ounce of honest introspective examination. Deep down they fear, and rightfully so that there are huge gapping holes in their bubble of intellectual arogance.
It's easy to claim the intellectual high ground when all you have to do to earn it is label everyone who disagrees with you a racist, denier or worst of all, a Trump supporter.
Well when you are dumb as dirt, that's really all you got.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on July 14, 2021, 04:06:18 PM
Post by: Anonymous on July 14, 2021, 04:06:18 PM
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on July 14, 2021, 05:33:40 PM
Post by: Anonymous on July 14, 2021, 05:33:40 PM
A coalition of frustrated legislators from across the U.S. Midwest is formally asking the White House and Canada's federal government to reopen the border to fully vaccinated travellers.
Ottawa and Washington will decide on July 21 to open the border or keep it closed.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on July 15, 2021, 01:25:59 AM
Post by: Anonymous on July 15, 2021, 01:25:59 AM
But the downtrend after scaling to unprecedented highs should be expected, said Troy Merkel, partner and senior real estate analyst at Chicago-based consulting firm RSM. He said he expects the price of the commodity to moderate, especially as supply chains normalize and recover after the last year of the pandemic.
By the end of August and into early September, he told Insider the price of lumber may settle between $350-$450 per thousand board feet due to a confluence of factors, including sawmills slowly reopening and vaccination rates rising.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on July 15, 2021, 01:50:37 PM
Post by: Anonymous on July 15, 2021, 01:50:37 PM
The price of lumber is trading at $642 per thousand board feet, roughly 62% lower from its May 7 peak of $1,670 per thousand board feet.
But the downtrend after scaling to unprecedented highs should be expected, said Troy Merkel, partner and senior real estate analyst at Chicago-based consulting firm RSM. He said he expects the price of the commodity to moderate, especially as supply chains normalize and recover after the last year of the pandemic.
By the end of August and into early September, he told Insider the price of lumber may settle between $350-$450 per thousand board feet due to a confluence of factors, including sawmills slowly reopening and vaccination rates rising.
The price of lumber has gotten out of hand.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on July 18, 2021, 01:09:57 AM
Post by: Anonymous on July 18, 2021, 01:09:57 AM
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on July 25, 2021, 01:23:46 PM
Post by: Anonymous on July 25, 2021, 01:23:46 PM
MSNBC contributor: 'There's an idiot percentage of this population that just needs to be told what to do'
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on July 25, 2021, 05:22:44 PM
Post by: Anonymous on July 25, 2021, 05:22:44 PM
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on July 25, 2021, 05:34:07 PM
Post by: Anonymous on July 25, 2021, 05:34:07 PM
White libtards once held up Australia as a model for pandemic reaponse. No fucking more as they continue to impose even more draconian measures while places like Alberta do the opposite.
I believed in lockdowns too once....and then it became the go to option.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on July 25, 2021, 05:42:56 PM
Post by: Anonymous on July 25, 2021, 05:42:56 PM
White libtards once held up Australia as a model for pandemic reaponse. No fucking more as they continue to impose even more draconian measures while places like Alberta do the opposite.
Lucky country no more.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on July 25, 2021, 05:57:41 PM
Post by: Anonymous on July 25, 2021, 05:57:41 PM
White libtards once held up Australia as a model for pandemic reaponse. No fucking more as they continue to impose even more draconian measures while places like Alberta do the opposite.
They don't have vaccines?
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: cc on July 25, 2021, 07:00:28 PM
Post by: cc on July 25, 2021, 07:00:28 PM
11 million total doses so far - We are at 45 million doses
Allowing population, we are almost 3 times their number of doses per person
Not sure why
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on July 25, 2021, 07:05:12 PM
Post by: Anonymous on July 25, 2021, 07:05:12 PM
Vaccinations are very low and slow there
11 million total doses so far - We are at 35 million doses
Allowing population, we are well over double their number of doses per person
The fascist Australian response to the pandemic has failed miserably.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: cc on July 25, 2021, 07:07:53 PM
Post by: cc on July 25, 2021, 07:07:53 PM
Make that 45 million total doses for us
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on July 25, 2021, 08:00:37 PM
Post by: Anonymous on July 25, 2021, 08:00:37 PM
Yes it has
Make that 45 million total doses for us
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: cc on July 25, 2021, 10:26:04 PM
Post by: cc on July 25, 2021, 10:26:04 PM
Total doses administered
47,416,485
First doses
26,746,362
Second doses
20,670,123
Received from manufacturer
56,130,538
Received doses administered
84.48%
(So we have another 8,700,000 million doses in the chamber)
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on July 26, 2021, 04:51:34 AM
Post by: Anonymous on July 26, 2021, 04:51:34 AM
Here's the official totals as of today
Total doses administered
47,416,485
First doses
26,746,362
Second doses
20,670,123
Received from manufacturer
56,130,538
Received doses administered
84.48%
(So we have another 8,700,000 million doses in the chamber)
They'll go for second doses. We've plateaued for first doses.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on July 26, 2021, 11:22:18 AM
Post by: Anonymous on July 26, 2021, 11:22:18 AM
Here's the official totals as of today
Total doses administered
47,416,485
First doses
26,746,362
Second doses
20,670,123
Received from manufacturer
56,130,538
Received doses administered
84.48%
(So we have another 8,700,000 million doses in the chamber)
They'll go for second doses. We've plateaued for first doses.
Most of the country is 80 percent first doses. Better than the States.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on July 27, 2021, 07:43:42 AM
Post by: Anonymous on July 27, 2021, 07:43:42 AM
Here's the official totals as of today
Total doses administered
47,416,485
First doses
26,746,362
Second doses
20,670,123
Received from manufacturer
56,130,538
Received doses administered
84.48%
(So we have another 8,700,000 million doses in the chamber)
They'll go for second doses. We've plateaued for first doses.
Most of the country is 80 percent first doses. Better than the States.
We're around seventy six per cent.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on July 30, 2021, 05:50:17 PM
Post by: Anonymous on July 30, 2021, 05:50:17 PM
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on July 30, 2021, 05:57:56 PM
Post by: Anonymous on July 30, 2021, 05:57:56 PM
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on August 02, 2021, 11:06:41 AM
Post by: Anonymous on August 02, 2021, 11:06:41 AM
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on August 02, 2021, 11:12:20 AM
Post by: Anonymous on August 02, 2021, 11:12:20 AM
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on August 02, 2021, 11:17:20 AM
Post by: Anonymous on August 02, 2021, 11:17:20 AM
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on August 03, 2021, 07:49:54 PM
Post by: Anonymous on August 03, 2021, 07:49:54 PM
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on August 26, 2021, 04:42:09 PM
Post by: Anonymous on August 26, 2021, 04:42:09 PM
The new COVID-19 quarantine facility is expected to have 500 beds available by the end of the year and a total of 1,000 beds by the end of the first quarter of 2022. Construction has already started at the site near the Wellcamp Airport. The COVID-19 quarantine facility will be built by property development firm Wagner Corporation, which owns the land. Queensland government will operate the regional facility once it is operational.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on September 10, 2021, 04:17:33 PM
Post by: Anonymous on September 10, 2021, 04:17:33 PM
A number of U.S. businesses facing supply-crunch-driven inflation in input costs say they expect to pass on higher prices to consumers, according to the Federal Reserve.
Producer price inflation and its potential spillover onto store shelves is one the themes from the Fed's most recent version of the "Beige Book," released on Sept. 8, which provides an economic snapshot of the United States from early July through August, based on reporting from the central bank's 12 districts.
Resource shortages were "pervasive" and input price pressures "widespread," with many businesses reporting difficulty sourcing key inputs, even at greatly increased prices, the report says.
"Firms have continued to report exceptionally widespread increases in input prices—particularly in the construction, manufacturing, wholesale trade, and transportation and warehousing industries," the report's authors wrote, adding that contacts in all sectors expect widespread input price increases for the rest of the year.
Half of the districts described input price inflation as "strong," while the other half characterized it as "moderate."
In many cases, higher input costs are likely to translate into higher prices for consumers.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on September 15, 2021, 12:04:58 PM
Post by: Anonymous on September 15, 2021, 12:04:58 PM
A leaked Zoom conference reveals a doctor questioning how to increase the count of COVID-19 patient numbers on the hospital's dashboard report.
The media outlet National File said it obtained the recording from an "internal source" at the Novant Health System that includes New Hanover Regional Medical Center in Wilmington, North Carolina.
National File posted the video on its Twitter feed on Sept. 10.
National File and other local media outlets that reported on the leak identified the people in the video as Mary Kathryn Rudyk, a physician at the medical center, who is asking Carolyn Fisher, the hospital's director of marketing, how to inflate the number of people classified as COVID-19 patients for the purpose of generating fear in the unvaccinated.
"I think we have to be more blunt, we have to be more forceful—we have to say something coming out—if you don't get vaccinated, you know you are going to die," Rudyk said in the video. "Let's just be really blunt to these people."
The video begins with Fisher explaining how her department is communicating "meaningful numbers"—the percentage of the unvaccinated, vaccinated, and percentage of deaths in the Intensive Care Unit (ICU)—to the public.
Rudyk then asked how post-COVID cases can be included in the number of people hospitalized for COVID-19.
"My feeling at this point in time is that maybe we need to be completely a little bit more scary for the public," Rudyk said. "There are many people still hospitalized that we're considering post-COVID, but we are not counting in those numbers, so how do we include those post-COVID people in the numbers of patients we have in the hospital?"
Fisher asked if she meant every patient who has been in the hospital "since the beginning of COVID?"
Rudyk answered, "Well, that are still in, and that's something I can take to someone else, but I think those are important numbers: the patients that are still in the hospital, that are off the COVID floor, but still are occupying the hospital for a variety of reasons."
Also on the Zoom conference call was Shelbourn Stevens, president of New Hanover Regional Medical Center, who said those patients are classified as "recovered."
"But I do think, from our standpoint, we would still consider them a COVID patient because they're still healing," Stevens said.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on September 16, 2021, 12:36:06 PM
Post by: Anonymous on September 16, 2021, 12:36:06 PM
If the mandate goes through, Brownfield Regional Medical Center CEO Jerry Jasper said that "20 percent of my, probably 20 to 25 percent of my staff will have to go away if that's the case," reported KCBD. Losing those workers, he said, would likely cause his hospital to shut down, and losing Medicare and Medicaid money isn't an option either.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on September 17, 2021, 11:25:38 PM
Post by: Anonymous on September 17, 2021, 11:25:38 PM
The coronavirus pandemic didn't hurt the market of the superrich. Indeed, a new record was reached in April 2021, with 493 new billionaires worldwide. At least 40 of them made it because of COVID-19-related products.
The pandemic multiplied net worths from millions to billions of dollars as MASKS, OXIMETERS, VIALS, HAND SANITIZERS, VACCINES and stocks in Big Pharma.
COVID-19 RICHES
Though the pandemic led to high unemployment rates across the world, it also helped increase the number of billionaires. According to Forbes, at least 40 people became billionaires because they worked with some product related to COVID-19.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on September 23, 2021, 09:27:34 AM
Post by: Anonymous on September 23, 2021, 09:27:34 AM
Researchers with the university said that a drop in emergency referrals from general practitioners in 2020 across the United Kingdom resulted in some 40,000 late diagnoses of cancer. The delays, combined with longer National Health Service (NHS) treatment due to the pandemic, mean that thousands will die "significantly earlier" from cancer, the report found.
It caused a lot of non COVID deaths in Canada too.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on September 23, 2021, 11:44:31 PM
Post by: Anonymous on September 23, 2021, 11:44:31 PM
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on September 28, 2021, 10:05:33 PM
Post by: Anonymous on September 28, 2021, 10:05:33 PM
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on September 29, 2021, 11:00:41 PM
Post by: Anonymous on September 29, 2021, 11:00:41 PM
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on September 30, 2021, 11:55:07 AM
Post by: Anonymous on September 30, 2021, 11:55:07 AM
Several industry groups have warned world leaders of a worldwide supply-chain "system collapse" due to pandemic restrictions, coming as Federal Reserve Chairman Jerome Powell suggested that the current period of higher inflation will last until 2022.
The International Chamber of Shipping, a coalition of truck drivers, seafarers, and airline workers, has warned in a letter to heads of state attending the United Nations General Assembly that governments need to restore freedom of movement to transportation workers amid persistent COVID-19 restrictions and quarantines.
If nothing is done, they warned of a "global transport system collapse" and suggested that "global supply chains are beginning to buckle as two years' worth of strain on transport workers take their toll," according to the letter. It was signed by the International Air Transport Association (IATA), the International Road Transport Union (IRU), and the International Transport Workers' Federation (ITF), which represent some 65 million transport workers around the world.
"All transport sectors are also seeing a shortage of workers, and expect more to leave as a result of the poor treatment millions have faced during the pandemic, putting the supply chain under greater threat," the letter said. "We also ask that WHO and the ILO raise this at the U.N. General Assembly and call on heads of government to take meaningful and swift action to resolve this crisis now," they wrote.
Meanwhile, retailer Costco said it's chartering its own container ships between Asia and North America amid supply chain issues worldwide, Chief Financial Officer Richard Galanti said in a recent conference call.
Costco, he said, is dealing with "port delays, container shortages, COVID disruptions, shortages on various components, raw materials and ingredients, labor cost pressures" along with "trucks and driver shortages," Fox News reported.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on October 07, 2021, 09:32:16 AM
Post by: Anonymous on October 07, 2021, 09:32:16 AM
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on October 10, 2021, 09:25:01 AM
Post by: Anonymous on October 10, 2021, 09:25:01 AM
A senior police officer in Australia is being investigated after she sensationally resigned from the Victoria Police force during a live interview. The cop, who said her law enforcement employment was "the best job" she ever had, revealed that a "vast majority" of her former officers don't believe in and don't want to enforce the strict COVID-19 orders enacted in Australia.
Former Acting Senior Sergeant Krystle Mitchell made a splash by publicly resigning during a revealing interview on Friday. On her way out, Mitchell said government orders to enforce COVID-19 orders troubled her "greatly" after seeing "the damage it is causing the community."
"There was a big thought process and battle of morals and integrity within me about what I wanted to do and how I see my organization being used during this pandemic and it troubled me greatly," Mitchell told Discernable host and founder Matthew Wong.
"The consequences of me being here today is that I will be resigning from Victoria Police, effective at the end of this interview, because the consequences of me coming out publicly would be dismissal," she said. "So I'm choosing to quit, and I'm quitting because I can't remedy in my soul anymore the way in which my organization that I love to work for is being used and the damage it's causing in the reputation of Victoria Police and the damage it's causing to the community."
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on October 28, 2021, 11:25:01 AM
Post by: Anonymous on October 28, 2021, 11:25:01 AM
"The policy recommendations of Dr. Birx as Coordinator of the White House Task Force were implemented by governors throughout nearly the entire nation during 2020. Those policies failed to stop the dying, failed to stop the infection from spreading, and inflicted massive health damage and destruction, particularly on working class and lower-income families and on our children," he said.
"History's biggest failure of public health policy lies directly at the hands of those who recommended the lockdowns and those who implemented them, not on those who advised otherwise. Period," he concluded.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on October 30, 2021, 12:03:07 AM
Post by: Anonymous on October 30, 2021, 12:03:07 AM
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Frood on October 30, 2021, 12:36:20 AM
Post by: Frood on October 30, 2021, 12:36:20 AM
There was a big pet boom last year when the first lockdown happened. A lot of people got pets. Now that people are going back to work and school our humane society is being swamped with cats, dogs, bunnies, biirds and reptiles.
Free groceries?
Mammalian Yum Cha!
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on October 30, 2021, 01:16:26 AM
Post by: Anonymous on October 30, 2021, 01:16:26 AM
There was a big pet boom last year when the first lockdown happened. A lot of people got pets. Now that people are going back to work and school our humane society is being swamped with cats, dogs, bunnies, biirds and reptiles.
Free groceries?
Mammalian Yum Cha!ac_biggrin
They were a little too scrawny.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on October 30, 2021, 01:38:16 AM
Post by: Anonymous on October 30, 2021, 01:38:16 AM
There was a big pet boom last year when the first lockdown happened. A lot of people got pets. Now that people are going back to work and school our humane society is being swamped with cats, dogs, bunnies, birds and reptiles.
That aint the end of the world.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on November 01, 2021, 04:15:25 PM
Post by: Anonymous on November 01, 2021, 04:15:25 PM
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on November 02, 2021, 07:41:51 PM
Post by: Anonymous on November 02, 2021, 07:41:51 PM
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on November 06, 2021, 06:56:50 AM
Post by: Anonymous on November 06, 2021, 06:56:50 AM
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on November 18, 2021, 06:47:42 AM
Post by: Anonymous on November 18, 2021, 06:47:42 AM
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on November 18, 2021, 07:35:12 AM
Post by: Anonymous on November 18, 2021, 07:35:12 AM
More than 100,000 Americans have died of drug overdoses in the 12-month period ending in April, marking the highest number ever, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) reported on Thursday.
I'm not surprised.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on November 21, 2021, 06:25:37 AM
Post by: Anonymous on November 21, 2021, 06:25:37 AM
Rotterdam Mayor Ahmed Aboutaleb called the riot an "orgy of violence."
The protests continued in the Netherlands on Saturday, when rioters set fires in Hague.
In Austria's capital of Vienna, tens of thousands marched against the draconian COVID-19 restrictions.
In Croatia, thousands gathered in the capital of Zagreb to demonstrate against the government possibly introducing a COVID-19 vaccine pass that would be needed to enter stores, restaurants, gyms, and cinemas.
In Denmark, the government is considering reinstituting COVID-19 restrictions that they just lifted in September. Protesters railed against the potential COVID-19 orders.
Lockdowns/restrictions remain the default position of Western governments.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on November 24, 2021, 08:50:08 PM
Post by: Anonymous on November 24, 2021, 08:50:08 PM
Jabless Jobs is committed to connecting non-discriminatory employers with like-minded job seekers and aims to give people hope by empowering them to obtain financial security regardless of their personal health choices.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on November 25, 2021, 09:06:03 AM
Post by: Anonymous on November 25, 2021, 09:06:03 AM
A job board website has been created to assist Canadians with finding jobs that do not require them to disclose their COVID-19 vaccine status.
Jabless Jobs is committed to connecting non-discriminatory employers with like-minded job seekers and aims to give people hope by empowering them to obtain financial security regardless of their personal health choices.
There can't be many jobs listed.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on November 28, 2021, 12:10:53 PM
Post by: Anonymous on November 28, 2021, 12:10:53 PM
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on December 05, 2021, 11:36:02 AM
Post by: Anonymous on December 05, 2021, 11:36:02 AM
Sen. Ted Cruz (R-TX) slammed the Biden administration on Thursday for its vaccine mandates, despite his own support for vaccines, noting that the mandates pose a threats to people's jobs which in some cases pose a risk to U.S. national security.
Cruz's remarks come after the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Fifth Circuit halted Democrat President Joe Biden's mandate last month, citing potential "grave statutory and constitutional issues with the Mandate."
"The Biden White House mandates have been struck down repeatedly by the courts," Cruz told reporters on Thursday. "They are blatantly lawless. Joe Biden knows they're lawless. His lawyers have told him that the vaccine mandates are contrary to law. And Democrats don't care. They don't care about medical privacy. They don't care about individual autonomy. Instead, we have seen in the course of this pandemic, Democrats, being very comfortable with being petty tyrants and decreeing that you must obey their medical mandates."
Cruz noted he supports vaccines and that both he and his family have been vaccinated against the coronavirus but he "also support
"It ought to be your choice as a responsible adult to decide whether to get the COVID vaccine," Cruz continued. "And you ought to make that discussion, that decision in consultation with your doctor. And no pissant politician — whether a local mayor, or a governor or the President of the United States — has the right or legal authority to force you to make that decision."
"And the cynicism of the Biden White House was really underscored when their illegal vaccine mandate was enjoined by the Federal Court of Appeals and the next day, the White House press secretary's office stood up and told Americans obey the order anyway, never mind those pesky little courts," Cruz said. "Never mind the rule of law, never mind following a judicial order, you should obey our decree anyway. I think that is lawless. I think it's wrong. It's an abuse of power. It is threatening the jobs of millions of Americans from active-duty military soldiers and sailors and airmen and Marines to federal civilian workers, to Border Patrol agents, to federal law enforcement to airline pilots and flight attendants to air traffic control."
"If the executive branch is allowed to usurp the power of the legislative branch to make laws, two of the three powers conferred by our Constitution would be in the same hands," he added. "If human nature and history teach anything, it is that civil liberties face grave risks when governments proclaim indefinite states of emergency."
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on December 05, 2021, 03:03:39 PM
Post by: Anonymous on December 05, 2021, 03:03:39 PM
New York Gov. Kathy Hochul declares 'disaster emergency' in New York until mid-January over omicron despite no cases of new variant in the US yet.:crazy:
We don't need this kind of panic....not yet anyway.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on December 10, 2021, 12:10:38 AM
Post by: Anonymous on December 10, 2021, 12:10:38 AM
The outlook for the fourth quarter, normally a popular time for southerners to head north for winter breaks and northerners to head south for warmer weather, is dimming due to COVID-19 related disruptions at a time when international traffic is negligible.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on December 11, 2021, 11:04:30 AM
Post by: Anonymous on December 11, 2021, 11:04:30 AM
Supermarkets in the Australian state of Queensland will have the option to exclude unvaccinated people from entering under new vaccine rules.
Starting on Dec. 17, anyone who enters a café, restaurant, bar, theater, museum, library, stadium, or similar venues will have to show proof they are fully vaccinated for COVID-19. The rules, however, are not mandatory for supermarkets and grocery stores, although Australian officials said every business—including supermarkets, groceries, and other essential businesses—has the option to impose a mandate.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Bricktop on December 11, 2021, 06:52:26 PM
Post by: Bricktop on December 11, 2021, 06:52:26 PM
Interstate travel has opened up, and the inevitable spotfires of infected people have emerged after returning from other States.
They returned positive tests at the airport. They have been quarantined AT THEIR EXPENSE ($6K) for 14 days, despite the fact that they have been immunised.
As I and many others have declared since this huge impetus to vaccinate people began with the promise of stopping the spread, this was all a lie. Vaccinations benefit the individual, especially the vulnerable, but it does NOT stop infections between people. Thus, the entire strategy of apartheid and mandatory passports is based on a falsehood.
If you are vaccinated, you're fine. You may contract the virus and spread it to others, but of they are vaccinated they are fine. If someone unvaccinated contracts the virus and becomes critically ill, its the choice they made. Just like every other choice we make as humans.
People are not stupid. They know the risk. Those in the high risk groups are vaccinated. Those in low risk groups can afford to ignore it.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Frood on December 11, 2021, 07:04:10 PM
Post by: Frood on December 11, 2021, 07:04:10 PM
It's getting worse here.
Interstate travel has opened up, and the inevitable spotfires of infected people have emerged after returning from other States.
They returned positive tests at the airport. They have been quarantined AT THEIR EXPENSE ($6K) for 14 days, despite the fact that they have been immunised.
As I and many others have declared since this huge impetus to vaccinate people began with the promise of stopping the spread, this was all a lie. Vaccinations benefit the individual, especially the vulnerable, but it does NOT stop infections between people. Thus, the entire strategy of apartheid and mandatory passports is based on a falsehood.
If you are vaccinated, you're fine. You may contract the virus and spread it to others, but of they are vaccinated they are fine. If someone unvaccinated contracts the virus and becomes critically ill, its the choice they made. Just like every other choice we make as humans.
People are not stupid. They know the risk. Those in the high risk groups are vaccinated. Those in low risk groups can afford to ignore it.
Agreed....
....and if it's found out or later agreed that these jabs were a really bad idea for the species, the jabbed will have to wear it for going along with it. The pure bloods never tried to mandate or coerce anybody. We won't be the scapegoats like we've been painted now.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: cc on December 11, 2021, 07:28:03 PM
Post by: cc on December 11, 2021, 07:28:03 PM
..... stopping the spread, this was all a lie. Vaccinations benefit the individual, especially the vulnerable,
but it does NOT stop infections between people.
Thus, the entire strategy of apartheid and mandatory passports is based on a falsehood.
You keep blabbering
Now prove it does not stop some or even most infection
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Frood on December 11, 2021, 07:29:20 PM
Post by: Frood on December 11, 2021, 07:29:20 PM
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: cc on December 11, 2021, 07:31:17 PM
Post by: cc on December 11, 2021, 07:31:17 PM
Sounds like it
However it was for Brick, not a smartass know nothing who can prove nothing whatsoever
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Frood on December 11, 2021, 07:31:28 PM
Post by: Frood on December 11, 2021, 07:31:28 PM
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Frood on December 11, 2021, 07:31:56 PM
Post by: Frood on December 11, 2021, 07:31:56 PM
An admission that you cannot ?
Sounds like it
However it was for Brick, not the smartass know nothing
Prove it!
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: cc on December 11, 2021, 07:36:17 PM
Post by: cc on December 11, 2021, 07:36:17 PM
Issue is
..... stopping the spread, this was all a lie. Vaccinations benefit the individual, especially the vulnerable,but it does NOT stop infections between people.
Thus, the entire strategy of apartheid and mandatory passports is based on a falsehood.
Prove it does not stop many or most
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Frood on December 11, 2021, 07:40:05 PM
Post by: Frood on December 11, 2021, 07:40:05 PM
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Bricktop on December 11, 2021, 08:12:57 PM
Post by: Bricktop on December 11, 2021, 08:12:57 PM
Fail!! - try a meme or video
Issue is
..... stopping the spread, this was all a lie. Vaccinations benefit the individual, especially the vulnerable,but it does NOT stop infections between people.
Thus, the entire strategy of apartheid and mandatory passports is based on a falsehood.
Prove it does not stop many or most
I can't. I am not qualified.
But...how about this?
"Although preventing severe disease and deaths remains the primary public health goal in the acute phase of the pandemic, and is still being achieved by available COVID-19 vaccines despite the emergence of the delta variant, addressing SARS-CoV-2 transmission is a crucial additional consideration. Reducing transmission is necessary to reduce virus circulation, reach herd immunity and end this tragic pandemic. This study confirms that COVID-19 vaccination reduces the risk of delta variant infection and also accelerates viral clearance in the context of the delta variant.
From some radical rag called The Lancet. Apparently it's used as an authoritative resource for doctors.
Will that be all?
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Frood on December 11, 2021, 08:27:16 PM
Post by: Frood on December 11, 2021, 08:27:16 PM
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: cc on December 11, 2021, 09:42:20 PM
Post by: cc on December 11, 2021, 09:42:20 PM
- it does however, as clearly stated in your quote, "This study confirms that COVID-19 vaccination reduces the risk of delta variant infection and also accelerates viral clearance in the context of the delta variant." ... thus it clearly does stop (often & most often) infections to a vaccinated person ... thereby greatly reducing the number of infected people around .. thus does reduce spread (The less who are infected, the less who will become infected)
You words were misleading, although not intentionally as they can be taken 2 ways.
Now, based on your own submission, would you please stop saying vaccines do NOT stop infections between people because they so often do. ( "reduces the risk of delta variant infection" )
The lancet (having had to retract many items on this virus already) needs to re-think "However, this study unfortunately also highlights that the vaccine effect on reducing transmission is minimal in the context of delta variant circulation.""
This makes no sense / is ludicrous especially while acknowledging vaccine "reduces the risk of delta variant infection" and the great majority are vaccinated ffs. (They are trying to have it both ways on the very same issue)
Our country is over 90% in fact , so "reduces the risk of delta variant infection" plays a large role in the number getting infected.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Bricktop on December 11, 2021, 10:05:30 PM
Post by: Bricktop on December 11, 2021, 10:05:30 PM
They aren't my words. They are words copied verbatim from the medical professions pre-eminent professional journal.
And they are FAR from confusing. They are very clear. The vaccine mitigates symptoms, but is less efficacious in preventing transmission.
This "Now, based on your own submission, would you please stop saying it does NOT stop infections between people because it often does" is absurd. They don't know if it "often" does or not because there is no way of assessing and observing whether it does or not. That is like saying muslims often don't blow up musical concerts.
Some do, some don't. And there is no way of distinguishing which of them will.
So, we don't ostracise all muslims because that would be discriminatory and unjust. But we are going to ostracise people who choose not to be vaccinated.
That is STILL discriminatory and unjust.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: cc on December 11, 2021, 10:15:20 PM
Post by: cc on December 11, 2021, 10:15:20 PM
Even that article says otherwise > "This study confirms that COVID-19 vaccination reduces the risk of delta variant infection"
"For the umpteenth time - My right to be clear of the unwashed is absolute ... and to have my risk increase because of their stubbornness and selfishness would be unjust to myself and so many others
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Bricktop on December 11, 2021, 10:30:31 PM
Post by: Bricktop on December 11, 2021, 10:30:31 PM
My right to be clear of the unwashed is absolute ...
So, if you're vaccinated, you're clear of the "unwashed"???
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: cc on December 11, 2021, 10:36:58 PM
Post by: cc on December 11, 2021, 10:36:58 PM
My right to be clear of the unwashed is absolute ...
So, if you're vaccinated, you're clear of the "unwashed"???
No. Vaccines are not 100 so I stay as far from the selfish as possible. Dink can watch me drink a good dry red through the window .. or he can go drink with one of his own .. I'm not totally heartless
Further, I don't like our economy and society shut down or even slowed down because of the selfish .. that affects myself, you and everyone .. and they are who doing it now in the main ... did I mention vital operations cancelled because of the selfish?
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Bricktop on December 11, 2021, 11:02:26 PM
Post by: Bricktop on December 11, 2021, 11:02:26 PM
Everybody has to be vaccinated for us to be safe?
But you admit that they are not 100%??
Thus you will, by that logic, never be safe because there will always be unvaccinated AND vaccinated carriers out there.
So, where is the social and community benefit in treating unvaccinated people as lepers, while vaccinated people equally infectious are given a pass?
This thing isn't going away. Treating people like Jews in Germany, 1939, will not end well.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Frood on December 11, 2021, 11:52:47 PM
Post by: Frood on December 11, 2021, 11:52:47 PM
It's a circular argument with cc.
We should all just do what she says and not question the ridiculousness of it all.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: cc on December 11, 2021, 11:54:35 PM
Post by: cc on December 11, 2021, 11:54:35 PM
....... Treating people like Jews in Germany, 1939, will not end well.
Drama Queening or what?
No sympathy for the selfish whatsoever. It's not a rights issue (not even at the very bottom of the rights list).
It's a wrongs issue
I'll leave you 2 to make out alone. I don't wanna see it
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Bricktop on December 12, 2021, 12:08:54 AM
Post by: Bricktop on December 12, 2021, 12:08:54 AM
Treating non-vaxxed worse than we treat any other citizens would seem to be disproportionate to the risk they pose.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Frood on December 12, 2021, 01:28:17 AM
Post by: Frood on December 12, 2021, 01:28:17 AM
It used to be that your type of kid (cc) pointed fingers on the playground and screamed "ewww...they have cooties!" not "ewww, they don't have the cooties treatment!!".
...what broke your mind?
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on December 12, 2021, 12:52:54 PM
Post by: Anonymous on December 12, 2021, 12:52:54 PM
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on December 15, 2021, 11:32:28 AM
Post by: Anonymous on December 15, 2021, 11:32:28 AM
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on December 15, 2021, 11:50:07 AM
Post by: Anonymous on December 15, 2021, 11:50:07 AM
Fash, Trudeau is expected to announce new travel restrictions by the end of this week. This will affect people with two doses. You might have some inconveniences when you return from your trip in January.
I know Seoul....we're nervous about what federal government will do..
We might have to quarantine for fourteen days when we return.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on December 15, 2021, 12:12:09 PM
Post by: Anonymous on December 15, 2021, 12:12:09 PM
By Lorrie Goldstein of Sun News Media
Pandemic leads to record medical wait times for Canucks
The COVID-19 pandemic increased waiting times for Canadians seeking medical treatment this year to the longest they have ever been, according to a new study by the Fraser Institute.
A survey of 1,100 doctors across the country found the median wait time for medically necessary elective treatment in Canada in 2021 was 25.6 weeks.
This means the waiting period from the time of a referral by a general practitioner to the start of treatment by a specialist.
That's up from 22.6 weeks from the first year of the pandemic in 2020, the previous record, and 175% higher than the 9.3-week median wait recorded in 1993, the first year the Fraser Institute began tracking waiting times across the country.
"The results of this year's survey suggest that COVID-19 and related hospital closures have exacerbated, but are not the cause of Canada's historic wait time challenges," said Bacchus Barua, co-author of the study.
"Results from the same survey in 2019 revealed that patients waited an estimated 20.9 weeks for medically necessary elective care — long before the pandemic started."
According to a study by the Fraser Institute released last year, Canada has the longest medical waiting times of 10 industrialized countries with universal health-care systems that are members of the Organization for Economic Co-operation and Development and track comparable data.
Median waits were 41.6 weeks in Prince Edward Island, 41.5 weeks in New Brunswick, 32.1 weeks in Alberta, 31.5 weeks in Manitoba, 30.9 weeks in Saskatchewan, 29.1 weeks in Quebec, 26.2 weeks in British Columbia and 21.1 weeks in Newfoundland and Labrador.
Nationally, among the 12 medical specialties surveyed, median waits were longest between a referral by a general practitioner and neurosurgical (brain) procedures at 49.2 weeks and shortest for radiation treatments at 3.7 weeks.
Canadians also experienced median waits for diagnostic procedures of 10.2 weeks for MRIs,
5.2 weeks for CT scans and 3.6 weeks for ultrasounds.
In many cases, treatment of a patient cannot begin until these diagnostic procedures are completed, lengthening the overall time it takes from a referral by a general practitioner to treatment by a specialist.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on December 15, 2021, 12:27:05 PM
Post by: Anonymous on December 15, 2021, 12:27:05 PM
Fash, Trudeau is expected to announce new travel restrictions by the end of this week. This will affect people with two doses. You might have some inconveniences when you return from your trip in January.
I know Seoul....we're nervous about what federal government will do..
We might have to quarantine for fourteen days when we return.
:sad:
This could cancel my plans to go to Florida next month. If I do, should I fly or drive.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: cc on December 15, 2021, 01:48:07 PM
Post by: cc on December 15, 2021, 01:48:07 PM
I'm not even sure I will be able to visit daughter 30 miles away by the time my passport arrives (got caught not knowing they had cancelled the "enhanced" driver's licenses & waiting forever for passport)
(Every time the Govt. does something right, they screw it up by cancelling it)
They were so slow getting to it, my ID had expired by the time they did, so had to update that further delaying it #$%%^^
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on December 15, 2021, 01:53:55 PM
Post by: Anonymous on December 15, 2021, 01:53:55 PM
It could be worse. We really don't know where things are heading at this point in time
I'm not even sure I will be able to visit daughter 30 miles away by the time my passport arrives (got caught not knowing they had cancelled the "enhanced" driver's licenses & waiting forever for passport)
(Every time the Govt. does something right, they screw it up by cancelling it)
They were so slow getting to it, my ID had expired by the time they did, so had to update that further delaying it #$%%^^
It's unfortunate Omicron couldn't have been delayed two months.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on December 15, 2021, 03:48:11 PM
Post by: Anonymous on December 15, 2021, 03:48:11 PM
Fash, Trudeau is expected to announce new travel restrictions by the end of this week. This will affect people with two doses. You might have some inconveniences when you return from your trip in January.
So far it's only an advisory not to travel internationally for the next four weeks. We still want to go to Panama for the month of February.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on December 16, 2021, 11:12:44 AM
Post by: Anonymous on December 16, 2021, 11:12:44 AM
During the pandemic, nationwide stay-at-home orders handed gaming companies a golden opportunity.
Under restrictive nationwide COVID-19 lockdowns, for many people, gaming was one of the few active recreations, social activities, and creative outlets available.
From 2020 to 2021, revenue for gaming companies skyrocketed.
Video game maker Activision Blizzard saw revenues on the first-person shooter game Call of Duty rise by 72 percent, the massive multiplayer online role-playing game (MMORG) World of Warcraft by 7 percent, and apps by its King subsidiary rise by 22 percent.
Chinese gaming company Tencent saw its total revenue rise by 25 percent in the same time frame. It owns first-person shooters Fortnite and Rainbow Six Siege, online battle game League of Legends, multiplayer base builder app Clash of Clans, battle royale game Player Unknown's Battlegrounds, and more games.
In dollar terms, Activision Blizzard's revenue rose to $2.275 billion from $1.79 billion, and Tencent's revenue rose to $20.6 billion from $15.252 billion.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on December 18, 2021, 01:51:44 PM
Post by: Anonymous on December 18, 2021, 01:51:44 PM
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: cc on December 18, 2021, 05:53:24 PM
Post by: cc on December 18, 2021, 05:53:24 PM
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on December 18, 2021, 06:57:46 PM
Post by: Anonymous on December 18, 2021, 06:57:46 PM
The Netherlands just began another lockdown today.....what a time to travel.
Like almost everybody when you were planning your trip you assumed lockdowns would be history by now.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on December 18, 2021, 08:49:00 PM
Post by: Anonymous on December 18, 2021, 08:49:00 PM
The lockdown terms also rein in private holiday celebrations. Residents only will be permitted two visitors except for Christmas and New Year's, when four will be allowed.....our big get together plans are gone.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Frood on December 18, 2021, 09:02:44 PM
Post by: Frood on December 18, 2021, 09:02:44 PM
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on December 18, 2021, 09:11:37 PM
Post by: Anonymous on December 18, 2021, 09:11:37 PM
Do whatever you want to do and ignore the idiotic bureaucrats.
To get around the restrictions we will be allowed to visit my husband's relatives when only two people are there.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Frood on December 18, 2021, 09:13:27 PM
Post by: Frood on December 18, 2021, 09:13:27 PM
Do whatever you want to do and ignore the idiotic bureaucrats.
To get around the restrictions we will be allowed to visit my husband's relatives when only two people are there.
You have no moral obligation to follow such directives.
Do what you want and be happy.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on December 18, 2021, 09:26:09 PM
Post by: Anonymous on December 18, 2021, 09:26:09 PM
Do whatever you want to do and ignore the idiotic bureaucrats.
To get around the restrictions we will be allowed to visit my husband's relatives when only two people are there.
You have no moral obligation to follow such directives.
Do what you want and be happy.
That's easy for you to say. There are no consequences for you if Fash and her husband don't comply with Dutch restrictions.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Frood on December 18, 2021, 09:41:41 PM
Post by: Frood on December 18, 2021, 09:41:41 PM
Do whatever you want to do and ignore the idiotic bureaucrats.
To get around the restrictions we will be allowed to visit my husband's relatives when only two people are there.
You have no moral obligation to follow such directives.
Do what you want and be happy.
That's easy for you to say. There are no consequences for you if Fash and her husband don't comply with Dutch restrictions.
There's consequences if I get caught doing the same here....
Sometimes it's necessary to go full Rosa Parks.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on December 18, 2021, 09:45:49 PM
Post by: Anonymous on December 18, 2021, 09:45:49 PM
Do whatever you want to do and ignore the idiotic bureaucrats.
To get around the restrictions we will be allowed to visit my husband's relatives when only two people are there.
You have no moral obligation to follow such directives.
Do what you want and be happy.
That's easy for you to say. There are no consequences for you if Fash and her husband don't comply with Dutch restrictions.
There's consequences if I get caught doing the same here....
Sometimes it's necessary to go full Rosa Parks.
Thank you for the suggestion DD, but we won't be doing that.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: cc on December 18, 2021, 09:51:38 PM
Post by: cc on December 18, 2021, 09:51:38 PM
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Frood on December 18, 2021, 09:52:42 PM
Post by: Frood on December 18, 2021, 09:52:42 PM
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on December 20, 2021, 02:37:31 PM
Post by: Anonymous on December 20, 2021, 02:37:31 PM
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: cc on December 20, 2021, 03:46:37 PM
Post by: cc on December 20, 2021, 03:46:37 PM
I'm expecting more on it all after last 3 day results come in later today.
I guess BC Health already has them
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on December 20, 2021, 05:50:57 PM
Post by: Anonymous on December 20, 2021, 05:50:57 PM
I heard on the radio in my car that Quebec is bring back restrictions and closing schools.
I just checked.....Quebec had nearly 4600 cases yeasterday.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on January 02, 2022, 05:46:41 AM
Post by: Anonymous on January 02, 2022, 05:46:41 AM
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on January 02, 2022, 09:25:10 AM
Post by: Anonymous on January 02, 2022, 09:25:10 AM
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on January 04, 2022, 10:47:21 PM
Post by: Anonymous on January 04, 2022, 10:47:21 PM
When Trudeau can't believe any normal decent person could possibly disagree with him.
First Reading newsletter:
"Over the holidays, a September video clip of Prime Minister Justin Trudeau purporting to refer to the unvaccinated as "racists" suddenly began to make the rounds of the more right-wing corners of the internet. Largely unnoticed during the federal election campaign, the Sep. 16 clip is from Trudeau's appearance on the Quebec talk show La semaine des 4 Julie. Anyways, here's the transcript from the part where he defends his government's decision to pursue a federal vaccine mandate ...
"We all know people who are a little hesitant (about vaccination), and we're going to try and convince them, but there are also people who are fiercely opposed to vaccination; who don't believe in science, who are often misogynists, who are often racist as well...There, one must make a choice as a national leader, do we tolerate these people?"
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Frood on January 05, 2022, 06:40:27 AM
Post by: Frood on January 05, 2022, 06:40:27 AM
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Frood on January 05, 2022, 06:46:36 AM
Post by: Frood on January 05, 2022, 06:46:36 AM
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Frood on January 05, 2022, 06:54:12 AM
Post by: Frood on January 05, 2022, 06:54:12 AM
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Frood on January 05, 2022, 06:59:19 AM
Post by: Frood on January 05, 2022, 06:59:19 AM
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Frood on January 05, 2022, 07:08:56 AM
Post by: Frood on January 05, 2022, 07:08:56 AM
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Frood on January 05, 2022, 07:15:20 AM
Post by: Frood on January 05, 2022, 07:15:20 AM
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on January 05, 2022, 08:55:34 AM
Post by: Anonymous on January 05, 2022, 08:55:34 AM
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Frood on January 05, 2022, 08:56:40 AM
Post by: Frood on January 05, 2022, 08:56:40 AM
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on January 05, 2022, 09:17:27 AM
Post by: Anonymous on January 05, 2022, 09:17:27 AM
Not much... less than if nothing was done at all from the start...
There were things that could have been done that would not have cost a fortune, destroyed global supply chains, and crushed civil liberties. Isolating vulnerable groups instead of the healthy would have been a good start.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on January 05, 2022, 09:35:12 AM
Post by: Anonymous on January 05, 2022, 09:35:12 AM
The most notable Canadian lockdown of the Omicron wave is Quebec's reintroduction of a curfew. Starting on New Year's Eve, anyone found outside their home after 10 p.m. without a reasonable explanation faces fines of up to $6,000.
Quebec also appears to be set to shut off government liquor stores to the unvaccinated. Under a proposed policy, anyone without a vaccine card will be barred entry to locations of Société des Alcools du Québec – the Quebec equivalent of B.C. Liquor Stores or Ontario's LCBO.
On Tuesday, Ontario announced that it is once again closing indoor dining, and closing schools for at least the next two weeks. This is in addition to blanket closures on theatres and gyms.
While prior Canadian lockdowns were relatively uncontroversial measures opposed mostly by the anti-vaxxer fringe, these latest ones are spawning some pretty mainstream public anger ...
All three Quebec opposition parties have opposed the province's most recent curfew. The policy has also attracted an open letter signed by public health experts deeming it "a punishment on individuals to mask the negligence and systemic inaction in managing the pandemic."
Dan Kelly of the Canadian Federation of Independent Business recently told The Evan Solomon Show that Ontario's new lockdowns would lead to the "financial ruin of thousands and thousands of people." "At this point, I'm more afraid of the government than Omicron," Johnny Bonney, a restaurant manager in Ottawa's ByWard Market, told CTV.
Ontario's decision to close schools, in particular, has attracted criticism by everyone from parent's groups to teachers unions to social justice organizations to public health experts. "It is almost impossible to enumerate the harms associated with closing schools, and many will only be discovered years from now in economic and social harms that will take generations to recover," infectious diseases physician Jennifer Grant wrote in an op-ed for the Ottawa Citizen.
As gyms, bars, resaurants, movie theatres, casinos and schools close again, that people are finally reaching their tolerance limits. I too fear the government more than COVID.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Frood on January 05, 2022, 10:16:25 AM
Post by: Frood on January 05, 2022, 10:16:25 AM
Not much... less than if nothing was done at all from the start...
There were things that could have been done that would not have cost a fortune, destroyed global supply chains, and crushed civil liberties. Isolating vulnerable groups instead of the healthy would have been a good start.
So it seems it was intentional to me.
Right from the start, JIT shipping collapsed because of panic buying. It is still collapsing 2 years later because of short term covid tested lay-offs and permanent firings because of the 5-45% of people who said "go fuck yourself"...which filtered down to the oil and gas industry then back up in EVERY industry.
I spent 10 years working for a TPS provider.
This was nuts from the start of 2020. All the 2pl and 3pl providers are fucked, but supermarkets and DC's urge calm again now in 2022.
The trucking association (union) here reckons that upwards of 50% of workers are either in quarantine or could be in quarantine in the next days. Coles Supermarket has reinstituted a two pack limit on beef mince, sausages, and other cheap cuts/blends. Brisbane supermarkets are getting photos uploaded of empty produce shelves.
People are rushing out to buy RAT'S from retail desks and there is a similar parallel to the toilet paper squeeze in that.
Last week I went up to the main counter which sells cigarettes and phone cards, only to witness a very chubby man pleading to the cashier to sell him 20 RAT test boxes. She explained that she could only sell two to each customer, but she rang up three.... at a cost of 90 bucks, because I was watching the screen.
The panic here is stupid....yet the number of people not wearing masks is crazy too... but they're in work digs, so they got the 1st and 2nd jabs....and somehow show defiance by not wearing mask.
We, our family, never got a single jab but we mostly wear a mask at our local supermarkets so they don't get in the shit for not posting people on the doors to check us in.
We have never downloaded a single check in app and make up crazy names and 1 800 numbers if we have to write in a ledger. If we don't need something bad enough, we say no thanks and walk out.... and if it's a bitchy millennial demanding it, I usually instruct them to go fuck themselves with their soy based genitals then walk out.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on January 05, 2022, 10:24:16 AM
Post by: Anonymous on January 05, 2022, 10:24:16 AM
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Frood on January 05, 2022, 10:48:36 AM
Post by: Frood on January 05, 2022, 10:48:36 AM
They'll do it for the big ticket items and car components in SE Asia, but the days of getting 40 cent cans of tomatoes or baked beans from Asia, or even pickles from Asia Minor is coming to a quick end.
JIT, TPS, and Min/Max through WPS like SAP or the lessers don't work well unless economies and seas are free.
The future is regionally sourced shit and foreign luxury goods if you can afford them.
A lot of people are going to curse the fact that their mothers or grandmothers never showed them how to can vegetables, meats, or fish.... or that they never showed an interest in it when it was happening.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on January 09, 2022, 06:56:48 AM
Post by: Anonymous on January 09, 2022, 06:56:48 AM
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on January 09, 2022, 07:07:05 AM
Post by: Anonymous on January 09, 2022, 07:07:05 AM
COVID school policies set me adrift from my tribe.
I kept hoping that someone in our all-Democratic political leadership would take a stand on behalf of Cleveland's 37,000 public-school children or seem to care about what was happening. Weren't Democrats supposed to stick up for low-income kids? Instead, our veteran Democratic mayor avoided remarking on the crisis facing the city's public-school families. Our all-Democratic city council was similarly disengaged. The same thing was happening in other blue cities and blue states across the country, as the needs of children were simply swept aside. Cleveland went so far as to close playgrounds for an entire year. That felt almost mean-spirited, given the research suggesting the negligible risk of outdoor transmission—an additional slap in the face.
Things got worse for us in December 2020, when my whole family contracted COVID-19. The coronavirus was no big deal for my 3- and 5-year-olds, but I was left with lingering long-COVID symptoms, which made the daily remote-schooling nightmare even more grueling. I say this not to hold myself up for pity. I understand that other people had a far worse 2020. I'm just trying to explain why my worldview has shifted and why I'm not the same person I was.
By the spring semester, the data showed quite clearly that schools were not big coronavirus spreaders and that, conversely, the costs of closures to children, both academically and emotionally, were very high. The American Academy of Pediatrics first urged a return to school in June 2020. In February 2021, when The New York Times surveyed 175 pediatric-disease experts, 86 percent recommended in-person school even if no one had been vaccinated.
But when the Cleveland schools finally reopened, in March 2021—under pressure from Republican Governor Mike DeWine—they chose a hybrid model that meant my son could enter the building only two days a week.
My husband and I had had enough: With about two months left in the academic year, we found a charter school that was open for full-time in-person instruction. It was difficult to give up on our public school. We were invested. But our trust was broken.
Compounding my fury was a complete lack of sympathy or outright hostility from my own "team." Throughout the pandemic, Democrats have been eager to style themselves as the ones that "take the virus seriously," which is shorthand, at least in the bluest states and cities, for endorsing the most extreme interventions. By questioning the wisdom of school closures—and taking our child out of public school—I found myself going against the party line. And when I tried to speak out on social media, I was shouted down and abused, accused of being a Trumper who didn't care if teachers died. On Twitter, mothers who had been enlisted as unpaid essential workers were mocked, often in highly misogynistic terms. I saw multiple versions of "they're just mad they're missing yoga and brunch."
Twitter is a cesspool full of unreasonable people. But the kind of moralizing and self-righteousness that I saw there came to characterize lefty COVID discourse to a harmful degree. As reported in this magazine, the parents in deep-blue Somerville, Massachusetts, who advocated for faster school reopening last spring were derided as "fucking white parents" in a virtual public meeting. The interests of children and the health of public education were both treated as minor concerns, if these subjects were broached at all.
Obviously, Republicans have been guilty of politicizing the pandemic with horrible consequences, fomenting mistrust in vaccines that will result in untold numbers of unnecessary deaths. I'm not excusing that.
But I've been disappointed by how often the Democratic response has exacerbated that mistrust by, for example, exaggerating the risks of COVID-19 to children. A low point for me was when Virginia Democratic gubernatorial candidate Terry McAuliffe inflated child COVID-hospitalization numbers on the campaign trail. It was almost Trumplike. (If I lived in Virginia, I admit I probably would have had to sit out the recent gubernatorial election, in which the Republican candidate beat McAuliffe.)
Less extreme, but perhaps just as harmful to social cohesion, was the widespread refusal among rank-and-file Democrats to seriously wrestle with the costs of pandemic-mitigation efforts. Beyond the infuriating nonresponse to school closures—"kids are resilient"—the discussion regarding masks has also been oblivious at times. Research shows that good masks worn correctly can slow the spread of the coronavirus, but it's silly to suggest that they have no drawbacks. They are uncomfortable and a barrier to communication—and that's just for adults.
Because masks took on symbolic importance, however, simply attempting to add nuance to the debate—cloth masks versus KN95s, masking adults versus masking toddlers—was treated like vaccine skepticism: beyond the pale.
Generally speaking, the left-leaning rhetorical response to the pandemic seems out of line with stated Democratic values. Even when my kids returned to school, for example, I had no option for paid sick leave to care for them when they got sick. Why did I hear so little about that immense social problem and so much shaming of the women who dared to complain about having their kids stuck at home? All in all, the party that supposedly focused on "systemic" issues was obsessed with demanding personal sacrifice. And the burden fell most heavily on mothers of young children, essential workers, and low-income children. (Conversely, they fell lightly on one very vocal, core Democratic constituency: college-educated office workers.)
Many liberals and institutional leaders thought that no one could fault them for being too cautious, especially when it came to children. But I can, and I do. The University of Oxford medical ethicist Euzebiusz Jamrozik said recently on a podcast that ethical public-health responses must rely on a few key principles. One of those is "proportionality," meaning that the intervention must be proportionate to the risk. A Bloomberg article noted in March that children in the U.S. were about 10 times as likely to be killed in a car crash as by COVID-19. Closing school for more than a year was disproportionate the same way that forbidding parents to drive would have been.
Jamrozik also said that reciprocity and equity and fairness are supposed to guide public-health strategies. Policy makers must identify not just the benefits and harms of particular strategies, but also the distribution of those benefits and harms.
Read: COVID parenting is reaching a breaking point
None of this has shaken my support for the Democratic agenda, which I still endorse wholesale. What I've lost is my trust that the party is truly motivated to act in the interests of those they claim to serve. How can I get excited about universal pre-K proposals, for example, when K–12 is in shambles?
I keep hoping that Democrats will wake up to the full range of health and social needs Americans are trying to balance right now, but that doesn't seem likely. A friend now refers to herself as "politically homeless," and more and more, that's how I feel as well.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Frood on January 09, 2022, 07:20:30 AM
Post by: Frood on January 09, 2022, 07:20:30 AM
This was a letter that appeared in the Atlantic. It was written by a Democrat who opposes her party's unscientific support for school closures.Why I Soured on the Democrats
COVID school policies set me adrift from my tribe.
I kept hoping that someone in our all-Democratic political leadership would take a stand on behalf of Cleveland's 37,000 public-school children or seem to care about what was happening. Weren't Democrats supposed to stick up for low-income kids? Instead, our veteran Democratic mayor avoided remarking on the crisis facing the city's public-school families. Our all-Democratic city council was similarly disengaged. The same thing was happening in other blue cities and blue states across the country, as the needs of children were simply swept aside. Cleveland went so far as to close playgrounds for an entire year. That felt almost mean-spirited, given the research suggesting the negligible risk of outdoor transmission—an additional slap in the face.
Things got worse for us in December 2020, when my whole family contracted COVID-19. The coronavirus was no big deal for my 3- and 5-year-olds, but I was left with lingering long-COVID symptoms, which made the daily remote-schooling nightmare even more grueling. I say this not to hold myself up for pity. I understand that other people had a far worse 2020. I'm just trying to explain why my worldview has shifted and why I'm not the same person I was.
By the spring semester, the data showed quite clearly that schools were not big coronavirus spreaders and that, conversely, the costs of closures to children, both academically and emotionally, were very high. The American Academy of Pediatrics first urged a return to school in June 2020. In February 2021, when The New York Times surveyed 175 pediatric-disease experts, 86 percent recommended in-person school even if no one had been vaccinated.
But when the Cleveland schools finally reopened, in March 2021—under pressure from Republican Governor Mike DeWine—they chose a hybrid model that meant my son could enter the building only two days a week.
My husband and I had had enough: With about two months left in the academic year, we found a charter school that was open for full-time in-person instruction. It was difficult to give up on our public school. We were invested. But our trust was broken.
Compounding my fury was a complete lack of sympathy or outright hostility from my own "team." Throughout the pandemic, Democrats have been eager to style themselves as the ones that "take the virus seriously," which is shorthand, at least in the bluest states and cities, for endorsing the most extreme interventions. By questioning the wisdom of school closures—and taking our child out of public school—I found myself going against the party line. And when I tried to speak out on social media, I was shouted down and abused, accused of being a Trumper who didn't care if teachers died. On Twitter, mothers who had been enlisted as unpaid essential workers were mocked, often in highly misogynistic terms. I saw multiple versions of "they're just mad they're missing yoga and brunch."
Twitter is a cesspool full of unreasonable people. But the kind of moralizing and self-righteousness that I saw there came to characterize lefty COVID discourse to a harmful degree. As reported in this magazine, the parents in deep-blue Somerville, Massachusetts, who advocated for faster school reopening last spring were derided as "fucking white parents" in a virtual public meeting. The interests of children and the health of public education were both treated as minor concerns, if these subjects were broached at all.
Obviously, Republicans have been guilty of politicizing the pandemic with horrible consequences, fomenting mistrust in vaccines that will result in untold numbers of unnecessary deaths. I'm not excusing that.
But I've been disappointed by how often the Democratic response has exacerbated that mistrust by, for example, exaggerating the risks of COVID-19 to children. A low point for me was when Virginia Democratic gubernatorial candidate Terry McAuliffe inflated child COVID-hospitalization numbers on the campaign trail. It was almost Trumplike. (If I lived in Virginia, I admit I probably would have had to sit out the recent gubernatorial election, in which the Republican candidate beat McAuliffe.)
Read: The CDC's flawed case for wearing masks in school
Less extreme, but perhaps just as harmful to social cohesion, was the widespread refusal among rank-and-file Democrats to seriously wrestle with the costs of pandemic-mitigation efforts. Beyond the infuriating nonresponse to school closures—"kids are resilient"—the discussion regarding masks has also been oblivious at times. Research shows that good masks worn correctly can slow the spread of the coronavirus, but it's silly to suggest that they have no drawbacks. They are uncomfortable and a barrier to communication—and that's just for adults.
Because masks took on symbolic importance, however, simply attempting to add nuance to the debate—cloth masks versus KN95s, masking adults versus masking toddlers—was treated like vaccine skepticism: beyond the pale.
Generally speaking, the left-leaning rhetorical response to the pandemic seems out of line with stated Democratic values. Even when my kids returned to school, for example, I had no option for paid sick leave to care for them when they got sick. Why did I hear so little about that immense social problem and so much shaming of the women who dared to complain about having their kids stuck at home? All in all, the party that supposedly focused on "systemic" issues was obsessed with demanding personal sacrifice. And the burden fell most heavily on mothers of young children, essential workers, and low-income children. (Conversely, they fell lightly on one very vocal, core Democratic constituency: college-educated office workers.)
Many liberals and institutional leaders thought that no one could fault them for being too cautious, especially when it came to children. But I can, and I do. The University of Oxford medical ethicist Euzebiusz Jamrozik said recently on a podcast that ethical public-health responses must rely on a few key principles. One of those is "proportionality," meaning that the intervention must be proportionate to the risk. A Bloomberg article noted in March that children in the U.S. were about 10 times as likely to be killed in a car crash as by COVID-19. Closing school for more than a year was disproportionate the same way that forbidding parents to drive would have been.
Jamrozik also said that reciprocity and equity and fairness are supposed to guide public-health strategies. Policy makers must identify not just the benefits and harms of particular strategies, but also the distribution of those benefits and harms.
Read: COVID parenting is reaching a breaking point
None of this has shaken my support for the Democratic agenda, which I still endorse wholesale. What I've lost is my trust that the party is truly motivated to act in the interests of those they claim to serve. How can I get excited about universal pre-K proposals, for example, when K–12 is in shambles?
I keep hoping that Democrats will wake up to the full range of health and social needs Americans are trying to balance right now, but that doesn't seem likely. A friend now refers to herself as "politically homeless," and more and more, that's how I feel as well.https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/01/democrats-botched-public-school-covid-policy/621183/
So in a nutshell... she's angry at the party actions enough to speak out about, but she's not ever changing parties...
Ok, die Karen...
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on January 09, 2022, 07:24:32 AM
Post by: Anonymous on January 09, 2022, 07:24:32 AM
This was a letter that appeared in the Atlantic. It was written by a Democrat who opposes her party's unscientific support for school closures.Why I Soured on the Democrats
COVID school policies set me adrift from my tribe.
I kept hoping that someone in our all-Democratic political leadership would take a stand on behalf of Cleveland's 37,000 public-school children or seem to care about what was happening. Weren't Democrats supposed to stick up for low-income kids? Instead, our veteran Democratic mayor avoided remarking on the crisis facing the city's public-school families. Our all-Democratic city council was similarly disengaged. The same thing was happening in other blue cities and blue states across the country, as the needs of children were simply swept aside. Cleveland went so far as to close playgrounds for an entire year. That felt almost mean-spirited, given the research suggesting the negligible risk of outdoor transmission—an additional slap in the face.
Things got worse for us in December 2020, when my whole family contracted COVID-19. The coronavirus was no big deal for my 3- and 5-year-olds, but I was left with lingering long-COVID symptoms, which made the daily remote-schooling nightmare even more grueling. I say this not to hold myself up for pity. I understand that other people had a far worse 2020. I'm just trying to explain why my worldview has shifted and why I'm not the same person I was.
By the spring semester, the data showed quite clearly that schools were not big coronavirus spreaders and that, conversely, the costs of closures to children, both academically and emotionally, were very high. The American Academy of Pediatrics first urged a return to school in June 2020. In February 2021, when The New York Times surveyed 175 pediatric-disease experts, 86 percent recommended in-person school even if no one had been vaccinated.
But when the Cleveland schools finally reopened, in March 2021—under pressure from Republican Governor Mike DeWine—they chose a hybrid model that meant my son could enter the building only two days a week.
My husband and I had had enough: With about two months left in the academic year, we found a charter school that was open for full-time in-person instruction. It was difficult to give up on our public school. We were invested. But our trust was broken.
Compounding my fury was a complete lack of sympathy or outright hostility from my own "team." Throughout the pandemic, Democrats have been eager to style themselves as the ones that "take the virus seriously," which is shorthand, at least in the bluest states and cities, for endorsing the most extreme interventions. By questioning the wisdom of school closures—and taking our child out of public school—I found myself going against the party line. And when I tried to speak out on social media, I was shouted down and abused, accused of being a Trumper who didn't care if teachers died. On Twitter, mothers who had been enlisted as unpaid essential workers were mocked, often in highly misogynistic terms. I saw multiple versions of "they're just mad they're missing yoga and brunch."
Twitter is a cesspool full of unreasonable people. But the kind of moralizing and self-righteousness that I saw there came to characterize lefty COVID discourse to a harmful degree. As reported in this magazine, the parents in deep-blue Somerville, Massachusetts, who advocated for faster school reopening last spring were derided as "fucking white parents" in a virtual public meeting. The interests of children and the health of public education were both treated as minor concerns, if these subjects were broached at all.
Obviously, Republicans have been guilty of politicizing the pandemic with horrible consequences, fomenting mistrust in vaccines that will result in untold numbers of unnecessary deaths. I'm not excusing that.
But I've been disappointed by how often the Democratic response has exacerbated that mistrust by, for example, exaggerating the risks of COVID-19 to children. A low point for me was when Virginia Democratic gubernatorial candidate Terry McAuliffe inflated child COVID-hospitalization numbers on the campaign trail. It was almost Trumplike. (If I lived in Virginia, I admit I probably would have had to sit out the recent gubernatorial election, in which the Republican candidate beat McAuliffe.)
Read: The CDC's flawed case for wearing masks in school
Less extreme, but perhaps just as harmful to social cohesion, was the widespread refusal among rank-and-file Democrats to seriously wrestle with the costs of pandemic-mitigation efforts. Beyond the infuriating nonresponse to school closures—"kids are resilient"—the discussion regarding masks has also been oblivious at times. Research shows that good masks worn correctly can slow the spread of the coronavirus, but it's silly to suggest that they have no drawbacks. They are uncomfortable and a barrier to communication—and that's just for adults.
Because masks took on symbolic importance, however, simply attempting to add nuance to the debate—cloth masks versus KN95s, masking adults versus masking toddlers—was treated like vaccine skepticism: beyond the pale.
Generally speaking, the left-leaning rhetorical response to the pandemic seems out of line with stated Democratic values. Even when my kids returned to school, for example, I had no option for paid sick leave to care for them when they got sick. Why did I hear so little about that immense social problem and so much shaming of the women who dared to complain about having their kids stuck at home? All in all, the party that supposedly focused on "systemic" issues was obsessed with demanding personal sacrifice. And the burden fell most heavily on mothers of young children, essential workers, and low-income children. (Conversely, they fell lightly on one very vocal, core Democratic constituency: college-educated office workers.)
Many liberals and institutional leaders thought that no one could fault them for being too cautious, especially when it came to children. But I can, and I do. The University of Oxford medical ethicist Euzebiusz Jamrozik said recently on a podcast that ethical public-health responses must rely on a few key principles. One of those is "proportionality," meaning that the intervention must be proportionate to the risk. A Bloomberg article noted in March that children in the U.S. were about 10 times as likely to be killed in a car crash as by COVID-19. Closing school for more than a year was disproportionate the same way that forbidding parents to drive would have been.
Jamrozik also said that reciprocity and equity and fairness are supposed to guide public-health strategies. Policy makers must identify not just the benefits and harms of particular strategies, but also the distribution of those benefits and harms.
Read: COVID parenting is reaching a breaking point
None of this has shaken my support for the Democratic agenda, which I still endorse wholesale. What I've lost is my trust that the party is truly motivated to act in the interests of those they claim to serve. How can I get excited about universal pre-K proposals, for example, when K–12 is in shambles?
I keep hoping that Democrats will wake up to the full range of health and social needs Americans are trying to balance right now, but that doesn't seem likely. A friend now refers to herself as "politically homeless," and more and more, that's how I feel as well.https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/01/democrats-botched-public-school-covid-policy/621183/
So in a nutshell... she's angry at the party actions enough to speak out about, but she's not ever changing parties...
Ok, die Karen...
The good news is that she might not vote in the Novermber elections. So, I hope her disillusionment with the Dems lasts at least ten more months.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Frood on January 09, 2022, 07:28:33 AM
Post by: Frood on January 09, 2022, 07:28:33 AM
Neither party gives a shit about her personal issues. They both want to win further terms and do jack shit for their constituencies.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on January 09, 2022, 07:35:29 AM
Post by: Anonymous on January 09, 2022, 07:35:29 AM
I hope that she gets a better clue about the Democrats and the Republicans.
Neither party gives a shit about her personal issues. They both want to win further terms and do jack shit for their constituencies.
I want the Dems gone this year and in 24. They have beccome dangerously extreme.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on January 09, 2022, 07:37:15 AM
Post by: Anonymous on January 09, 2022, 07:37:15 AM
This was a letter that appeared in the Atlantic. It was written by a Democrat who opposes her party's unscientific support for school closures.Why I Soured on the Democrats
COVID school policies set me adrift from my tribe.
I kept hoping that someone in our all-Democratic political leadership would take a stand on behalf of Cleveland's 37,000 public-school children or seem to care about what was happening. Weren't Democrats supposed to stick up for low-income kids? Instead, our veteran Democratic mayor avoided remarking on the crisis facing the city's public-school families. Our all-Democratic city council was similarly disengaged. The same thing was happening in other blue cities and blue states across the country, as the needs of children were simply swept aside. Cleveland went so far as to close playgrounds for an entire year. That felt almost mean-spirited, given the research suggesting the negligible risk of outdoor transmission—an additional slap in the face.
Things got worse for us in December 2020, when my whole family contracted COVID-19. The coronavirus was no big deal for my 3- and 5-year-olds, but I was left with lingering long-COVID symptoms, which made the daily remote-schooling nightmare even more grueling. I say this not to hold myself up for pity. I understand that other people had a far worse 2020. I'm just trying to explain why my worldview has shifted and why I'm not the same person I was.
By the spring semester, the data showed quite clearly that schools were not big coronavirus spreaders and that, conversely, the costs of closures to children, both academically and emotionally, were very high. The American Academy of Pediatrics first urged a return to school in June 2020. In February 2021, when The New York Times surveyed 175 pediatric-disease experts, 86 percent recommended in-person school even if no one had been vaccinated.
But when the Cleveland schools finally reopened, in March 2021—under pressure from Republican Governor Mike DeWine—they chose a hybrid model that meant my son could enter the building only two days a week.
My husband and I had had enough: With about two months left in the academic year, we found a charter school that was open for full-time in-person instruction. It was difficult to give up on our public school. We were invested. But our trust was broken.
Compounding my fury was a complete lack of sympathy or outright hostility from my own "team." Throughout the pandemic, Democrats have been eager to style themselves as the ones that "take the virus seriously," which is shorthand, at least in the bluest states and cities, for endorsing the most extreme interventions. By questioning the wisdom of school closures—and taking our child out of public school—I found myself going against the party line. And when I tried to speak out on social media, I was shouted down and abused, accused of being a Trumper who didn't care if teachers died. On Twitter, mothers who had been enlisted as unpaid essential workers were mocked, often in highly misogynistic terms. I saw multiple versions of "they're just mad they're missing yoga and brunch."
Twitter is a cesspool full of unreasonable people. But the kind of moralizing and self-righteousness that I saw there came to characterize lefty COVID discourse to a harmful degree. As reported in this magazine, the parents in deep-blue Somerville, Massachusetts, who advocated for faster school reopening last spring were derided as "fucking white parents" in a virtual public meeting. The interests of children and the health of public education were both treated as minor concerns, if these subjects were broached at all.
Obviously, Republicans have been guilty of politicizing the pandemic with horrible consequences, fomenting mistrust in vaccines that will result in untold numbers of unnecessary deaths. I'm not excusing that.
But I've been disappointed by how often the Democratic response has exacerbated that mistrust by, for example, exaggerating the risks of COVID-19 to children. A low point for me was when Virginia Democratic gubernatorial candidate Terry McAuliffe inflated child COVID-hospitalization numbers on the campaign trail. It was almost Trumplike. (If I lived in Virginia, I admit I probably would have had to sit out the recent gubernatorial election, in which the Republican candidate beat McAuliffe.)
Less extreme, but perhaps just as harmful to social cohesion, was the widespread refusal among rank-and-file Democrats to seriously wrestle with the costs of pandemic-mitigation efforts. Beyond the infuriating nonresponse to school closures—"kids are resilient"—the discussion regarding masks has also been oblivious at times. Research shows that good masks worn correctly can slow the spread of the coronavirus, but it's silly to suggest that they have no drawbacks. They are uncomfortable and a barrier to communication—and that's just for adults.
Because masks took on symbolic importance, however, simply attempting to add nuance to the debate—cloth masks versus KN95s, masking adults versus masking toddlers—was treated like vaccine skepticism: beyond the pale.
Generally speaking, the left-leaning rhetorical response to the pandemic seems out of line with stated Democratic values. Even when my kids returned to school, for example, I had no option for paid sick leave to care for them when they got sick. Why did I hear so little about that immense social problem and so much shaming of the women who dared to complain about having their kids stuck at home? All in all, the party that supposedly focused on "systemic" issues was obsessed with demanding personal sacrifice. And the burden fell most heavily on mothers of young children, essential workers, and low-income children. (Conversely, they fell lightly on one very vocal, core Democratic constituency: college-educated office workers.)
Many liberals and institutional leaders thought that no one could fault them for being too cautious, especially when it came to children. But I can, and I do. The University of Oxford medical ethicist Euzebiusz Jamrozik said recently on a podcast that ethical public-health responses must rely on a few key principles. One of those is "proportionality," meaning that the intervention must be proportionate to the risk. A Bloomberg article noted in March that children in the U.S. were about 10 times as likely to be killed in a car crash as by COVID-19. Closing school for more than a year was disproportionate the same way that forbidding parents to drive would have been.
Jamrozik also said that reciprocity and equity and fairness are supposed to guide public-health strategies. Policy makers must identify not just the benefits and harms of particular strategies, but also the distribution of those benefits and harms.
Read: COVID parenting is reaching a breaking point
None of this has shaken my support for the Democratic agenda, which I still endorse wholesale. What I've lost is my trust that the party is truly motivated to act in the interests of those they claim to serve. How can I get excited about universal pre-K proposals, for example, when K–12 is in shambles?
I keep hoping that Democrats will wake up to the full range of health and social needs Americans are trying to balance right now, but that doesn't seem likely. A friend now refers to herself as "politically homeless," and more and more, that's how I feel as well.https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/01/democrats-botched-public-school-covid-policy/621183/
Everything I've read from pediatricians in the USA and Canada is that school closures have a negative affect on children.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Frood on January 09, 2022, 08:00:52 AM
Post by: Frood on January 09, 2022, 08:00:52 AM
I hope that she gets a better clue about the Democrats and the Republicans.
Neither party gives a shit about her personal issues. They both want to win further terms and do jack shit for their constituencies.
I want the Dems gone this year and in 24. They have beccome dangerously extreme.
I want society to collapse.
I'm tired of these double standard rules. Drop the fucking veil and get on with life...
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on January 12, 2022, 12:44:45 AM
Post by: Anonymous on January 12, 2022, 12:44:45 AM
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Bricktop on January 12, 2022, 12:47:13 AM
Post by: Bricktop on January 12, 2022, 12:47:13 AM
It is an obscenity.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on January 12, 2022, 11:31:08 AM
Post by: Anonymous on January 12, 2022, 11:31:08 AM
This was mentioned elsewhere.
It is an obscenity.
I just got home last night..
My husband remarked, taxation is a very Canadian approach.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: cc on January 12, 2022, 12:29:40 PM
Post by: cc on January 12, 2022, 12:29:40 PM
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: cc on January 12, 2022, 01:10:20 PM
Post by: cc on January 12, 2022, 01:10:20 PM
Technically, the Feds have the power to override Provinces, but are not likely to risk such a venture
much as Trudy has wet dreams of doing so
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on January 12, 2022, 06:09:07 PM
Post by: Anonymous on January 12, 2022, 06:09:07 PM
In reply to question Re: Quebec's action, BC officially not imposing tax on the unwashed
Technically, the Feds have the power to override Provinces, but are not likely to risk such a venture
much as Trudy has wet dreams of doing so
The Liberals would never override Quebec.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: cc on January 12, 2022, 06:23:52 PM
Post by: cc on January 12, 2022, 06:23:52 PM
In reply to question Re: Quebec's action, BC officially not imposing tax on the unwashed
Technically, the Feds have the power to override Provinces, but are not likely to risk such a venture
much as Trudy has wet dreams of doing so
The Liberals would never override Quebec.
Right they won't ever do that
They do have the power to override our not taxing these silly twatwhaffles
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Bricktop on January 12, 2022, 06:30:53 PM
Post by: Bricktop on January 12, 2022, 06:30:53 PM
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on January 16, 2022, 10:39:15 PM
Post by: Anonymous on January 16, 2022, 10:39:15 PM
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Frood on January 16, 2022, 11:09:02 PM
Post by: Frood on January 16, 2022, 11:09:02 PM
Classic!
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on January 21, 2022, 11:28:26 AM
Post by: Anonymous on January 21, 2022, 11:28:26 AM
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on January 21, 2022, 11:32:02 AM
Post by: Anonymous on January 21, 2022, 11:32:02 AM
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Frood on January 21, 2022, 11:44:12 AM
Post by: Frood on January 21, 2022, 11:44:12 AM
Austria's parliament on Thursday voted to impose a COVID-19 vaccine mandate requiring people ages 18 and older to get vaccinated or face fines.
I'm not at all religious but when I here of such things, I recall mentions of scriptures about fleeing to the wilderness.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Bricktop on January 21, 2022, 05:07:33 PM
Post by: Bricktop on January 21, 2022, 05:07:33 PM
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on January 21, 2022, 05:45:51 PM
Post by: Anonymous on January 21, 2022, 05:45:51 PM
In my view, these tyrannical measures are crimes against humanity.
It's lasted too long too.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on January 22, 2022, 11:51:22 AM
Post by: Anonymous on January 22, 2022, 11:51:22 AM
Biden does not have the authority to impose such a mandate, U.S. District Judge Jeffrey Brown wrote in a 20-page ruling.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on January 22, 2022, 11:52:29 AM
Post by: Anonymous on January 22, 2022, 11:52:29 AM
Almost all coronavirus restrictions in Ireland will end on Saturday, including domestic COVID-19 Certificates, curfews, social distancing, and capacity limits.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on January 24, 2022, 04:23:31 PM
Post by: Anonymous on January 24, 2022, 04:23:31 PM
As I understand it they only drive, they don't handle freight, which means they don't have contact with warehouse employees..
This is hitting most Canadians hard. A poll released by Angus Reid Institute on Friday showed 57 per cent of Canadians were having difficulty feeding their families, up from 36 per cent in March 2019.
On Thursday, Premier Jason Kenney pleaded with the federal government to extend exemptions for truckers.
"We need to apply these policies with a heavy dose of common sense," he said in his press conference. "Common sense tells us we are at the peak of supply chain constraints across North America, around the world, huge inflation, and we can't afford to lose potentially thousands of truckers on our roads bringing groceries up from the U.S. and, who knows, maybe rapid test kits as well."
The industry was struggling to find drivers pre-pandemic but the issue has been exacerbated over the last two years with an estimated 1,000 drivers retiring or letting their Class 1 licence expire. Nationwide, Nash said Canada is short about 20,000-25,000 truck drivers.
With truckers at a premium, they can pick and choose what routes they want to drive and loads they want to deliver and charge accordingly.
Ken Kobly, president and CEO of the Alberta Chamber of Commerce, said this is helping to fuel inflation that already hit 30-year highs in December.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on January 25, 2022, 12:35:42 PM
Post by: Anonymous on January 25, 2022, 12:35:42 PM
Gottlieb said that "a lot of the acrimony" in the United States stems from a lack of "clear goalposts" about when some of the measures will end.
The former FDA commissioner also cited the Connecticut government's recent decision to rescind vaccine mandates for state workers as a policy that other policymakers should adopt in the near future as COVID-19 cases decline nationwide.
"The only way to get compliance from people and get accommodation [is] if we demonstrate the ability to withdraw these [mandates] in the same manner in which we put them in," Gottlieb added.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on January 26, 2022, 10:04:33 PM
Post by: Anonymous on January 26, 2022, 10:04:33 PM
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on January 27, 2022, 12:08:14 AM
Post by: Anonymous on January 27, 2022, 12:08:14 AM
Ex NHLer Mike Fisher on the freedom convoy heading to Ottawa.https://twitter.com/lostoutwest01/status/1486197324447719424?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1486197324447719424%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.houseofhockey.net%2FFormer-NHLer-Mike-Fisher-commented-on-Canada-Freedom-Convoy-81753s%3D29%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR3iquDeyyEWxvZqjPUsT3phFMGaqi6gevtSzXGOMBqgTYC9MQH2HbI3gII
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on February 02, 2022, 09:22:45 PM
Post by: Anonymous on February 02, 2022, 09:22:45 PM
A new study out of Johns Hopkins University is claiming that worldwide pandemic lockdowns only prevented 0.2 per cent of COVID-19 deaths and were "not an effective way of reducing mortality rates during a pandemic."
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Bricktop on February 02, 2022, 09:27:24 PM
Post by: Bricktop on February 02, 2022, 09:27:24 PM
The lockdowns were to cover for government failure to prepare and act appropriately.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on February 02, 2022, 09:36:18 PM
Post by: Anonymous on February 02, 2022, 09:36:18 PM
We already knew that.
The lockdowns were to cover for government failure to prepare and act appropriately.
Now we have something to point to. Lockdowns failed and we repeated the mistake.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Bricktop on February 02, 2022, 11:11:19 PM
Post by: Bricktop on February 02, 2022, 11:11:19 PM
They took away our rights and freedoms because they were inept, negligent, ill-prepared, prevaricating and procrastinating.
They lied to us to protect themselves and their bureaucracies. They followed the easy path that treads on our basic rights in lieu of the hard road that required them to get off their bloated arses and act proportionally and sensibly.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on February 02, 2022, 11:20:15 PM
Post by: Anonymous on February 02, 2022, 11:20:15 PM
The GOVERNMENTS repeated the mistake, knowingly and willingly. Their response to this pandemic will damage the acceptance and respect of the people for their governments, perhaps indelibly.
They took away our rights and freedoms because they were inept, negligent, ill-prepared, prevaricating and procrastinating.
They lied to us to protect themselves and their bureaucracies. They followed the easy path that treads on our basic rights in lieu of the hard road that required them to get off their bloated arses and act proportionally and sensibly.
They could be forgiven for the first lockdown. It was their first pandemic. The second, third, and fourth lockdowns, hey what are you doing.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on February 03, 2022, 10:22:14 AM
Post by: Anonymous on February 03, 2022, 10:22:14 AM
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on February 03, 2022, 02:35:07 PM
Post by: Anonymous on February 03, 2022, 02:35:07 PM
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: cc on February 03, 2022, 03:30:03 PM
Post by: cc on February 03, 2022, 03:30:03 PM
They could be forgiven for the first lockdown. It was their first pandemic. The second, third, and fourth lockdowns, hey what are you doing.
That statement on it's own is moot. How many is not the issue.
It really comes down to "all things considered", are lockdowns needed .. or not ... especially in light of the fact that this was the largest of all as are greatly increased hospitalizations (the actual driver of lockdowns & regs)
I don't know the answer to what is best, but the above is the facts of it all
With this round where because of sheer numbers, cases likely a factor, with hospitalizations beingthe main driver.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Bricktop on February 03, 2022, 04:35:07 PM
Post by: Bricktop on February 03, 2022, 04:35:07 PM
And I repeat; how is that different from bad drivers, drug and alcohol abusers, clumsy old people (I fell in the pool last year whilst cleaning and have had two operations and a third is likely) and during winter those who've failed to have their flu shots.
If you are going to apply qualifications as to who can and cannot receive treatment based on their poor or misguided decisions, then you will be saving the health system a whole lot of money and they can close half the hospitals down.
The right of people to choose if and when a chemical is injected into theirs and their childrens bodies is inalienable.
This plague will pass, but if history is any guide, the rights taken from us by incompetent politicians out of panic and ignorance may never be restored.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on February 03, 2022, 07:02:56 PM
Post by: Anonymous on February 03, 2022, 07:02:56 PM
The incredibly high cost of lockdowns was all for nothing.
A new study out of Johns Hopkins University is claiming that worldwide pandemic lockdowns only prevented 0.2 per cent of COVID-19 deaths and were "not an effective way of reducing mortality rates during a pandemic."https://nationalpost.com/news/world/johns-hopkins-university-study-covid-19-lockdowns?__vfz=medium%3Dstandalone_content_recirculation_with_ads
I will have to read the whole study before I can point to it and say aha, here's the smoking gun.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on February 03, 2022, 10:27:34 PM
Post by: Anonymous on February 03, 2022, 10:27:34 PM
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: cc on February 03, 2022, 10:46:57 PM
Post by: cc on February 03, 2022, 10:46:57 PM
Once again you decry a category of society as being the "the very cause" of people seeking medical treatment in hospitals.
"That category" are the great majority of hospital cases when our hospitals are filling up - Every district everywhere shows that.
There is nothing to argue about on that issue ... unless you have some data from somewhere I'm, not familiar with
If you are going to apply qualifications as to who can and cannot receive treatment ......
Not my position at all
Please step down off the high horse & come down to earth with the rest of us mere humans
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on February 03, 2022, 11:02:05 PM
Post by: Anonymous on February 03, 2022, 11:02:05 PM
Since this started I predicted lockdowns would do a lot of harm and protect very few. A study from Johns Hopkins confirmed that.
It has gone on too long. It is destroying the world. Time we learned how to live with it. We have vaccines and treatments. No more lockdowns and restrictions.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on February 04, 2022, 10:28:33 AM
Post by: Anonymous on February 04, 2022, 10:28:33 AM
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on February 04, 2022, 10:38:58 AM
Post by: Anonymous on February 04, 2022, 10:38:58 AM
The data agency reported Friday that the decline pushed the unemployment rate up half a per cent, to 6.5 per cent.
Most of the job losses were concentrated in Ontario and Quebec, two provinces that saw some of the hardest and earliest surges of the Omicron-driven wave, and which both moved to lock down in reaction.
On top of those who lost jobs entirely, the number of people who reported they worked less than half of their normal hours also skyrocketed, up by 620,000 people during the month.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on February 06, 2022, 12:36:15 AM
Post by: Anonymous on February 06, 2022, 12:36:15 AM
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on February 08, 2022, 02:02:18 PM
Post by: Anonymous on February 08, 2022, 02:02:18 PM
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on February 08, 2022, 03:00:46 PM
Post by: Anonymous on February 08, 2022, 03:00:46 PM
Australia said on Monday it will reopen its borders to vaccinated travellers this month, ending two years of misery for the tourism sector, reviving migration and injecting billions of dollars into the world No. 13 economy.
During these past two years, nobody was allowed in or out?
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on February 08, 2022, 07:10:40 PM
Post by: Anonymous on February 08, 2022, 07:10:40 PM
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on February 14, 2022, 09:25:12 PM
Post by: Anonymous on February 14, 2022, 09:25:12 PM
This was sent to me.
The Alberta Federation of Labour is in court today seeking an order to force all kids to wear masks in schools.
They believe kids should wear masks indefinitely and are opposed to Jason Kenney's plan to return to normal.
And guess what, they're backed by Rachel Notley.
In fact, the AFL helps run the Alberta NDP and hold seats on their governing council. It's in their constitution.
Children have carried an unfair share of the burden during COVID.
Jason Kenney and our team believe it's time to let kids be kids.
England, Scotland, Ireland, Denmark, Sweden, Norway, South Africa, Finland, Saskatchewan, Ontario, PEI and many U.S. States are returning to normal just like Alberta. We believe it is time to shift to a balanced approach where we are able to live with COVID and get on with our lives.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Bricktop on February 14, 2022, 09:29:20 PM
Post by: Bricktop on February 14, 2022, 09:29:20 PM
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During these past two years, nobody was allowed in or out?
Nope.
Not even Australians holidaying or living abroad who wanted to get home.
In effect, banning citizens from entering their own country, contrary to our Constitution and indeed the conditions upon which a passport is issued. Passport holders are entitled to free passage into their own country.
Memories wont fade.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on February 14, 2022, 09:55:18 PM
Post by: Anonymous on February 14, 2022, 09:55:18 PM
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During these past two years, nobody was allowed in or out?
Nope.
Not even Australians holidaying or living abroad who wanted to get home.
In effect, banning citizens from entering their own country, contrary to our Constitution and indeed the conditions upon which a passport is issued. Passport holders are entitled to free passage into their own country.
Memories wont fade.
I don't mind old Morrison, especially when compared to Justine or that stunned cunt in New Zealand. But, man that was pretty frickin extreme.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on February 16, 2022, 07:18:41 PM
Post by: Anonymous on February 16, 2022, 07:18:41 PM
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on February 28, 2022, 12:27:04 PM
Post by: Anonymous on February 28, 2022, 12:27:04 PM
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Thiel on March 01, 2022, 09:54:24 PM
Post by: Thiel on March 01, 2022, 09:54:24 PM
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on March 02, 2022, 03:39:57 PM
Post by: Anonymous on March 02, 2022, 03:39:57 PM
In approximately one month, the United States will have recorded one million coronavirus deaths.
So, that is what two COVID deaths on Biden's watch for every one death on Trump's watch. Remember Biden saying Trump shouldn't be president because too many people died of COVID.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on March 07, 2022, 11:42:01 AM
Post by: Anonymous on March 07, 2022, 11:42:01 AM
The city of Boston has also dropped its mask mandate for most indoor places, with the exception of public transportation, health care facilities, and public schools. The city health board has scheduled a meeting for March 9th to discuss whether masks will continue to be required in Boston public schools. Los Angeles also lifted their mask mandate last week, ending potential sources of embarrassment for mayor Eric Garcetti, who has repeatedly been photographed violating his own mask mandate. Minneapolis and St. Paul, Minnesota, along with numerous other large cities, are also following suit.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on March 08, 2022, 07:15:12 PM
Post by: Anonymous on March 08, 2022, 07:15:12 PM
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on March 14, 2022, 07:10:12 PM
Post by: Anonymous on March 14, 2022, 07:10:12 PM
The New York Times reported that two of China's largest cities, Shenzhen and Shanghai, initiated stringent COVID protocols on Sunday that restrict the movements of city residents.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on March 14, 2022, 07:24:47 PM
Post by: Anonymous on March 14, 2022, 07:24:47 PM
As Omicron and Delta variant case numbers rise, China is reimposing COVID-19 lockdowns and travel restrictions in parts of the country.
The New York Times reported that two of China's largest cities, Shenzhen and Shanghai, initiated stringent COVID protocols on Sunday that restrict the movements of city residents.
I read about this.....cases are exploding in East Asia.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Gaon on March 14, 2022, 09:03:51 PM
Post by: Gaon on March 14, 2022, 09:03:51 PM
As Omicron and Delta variant case numbers rise, China is reimposing COVID-19 lockdowns and travel restrictions in parts of the country.
The New York Times reported that two of China's largest cities, Shenzhen and Shanghai, initiated stringent COVID protocols on Sunday that restrict the movements of city residents.
They had one day that was it's worse since 2020.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on March 14, 2022, 09:23:49 PM
Post by: Anonymous on March 14, 2022, 09:23:49 PM
As Omicron and Delta variant case numbers rise, China is reimposing COVID-19 lockdowns and travel restrictions in parts of the country.
The New York Times reported that two of China's largest cities, Shenzhen and Shanghai, initiated stringent COVID protocols on Sunday that restrict the movements of city residents.
They had one day that was it's worse since 2020.
China has never been honest with it's reporting.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on March 15, 2022, 08:49:03 PM
Post by: Anonymous on March 15, 2022, 08:49:03 PM
The controversial vote came Tuesday at a HELP committee hearing, during which lawmakers assessed a Department of Health and Human Services' rule requiring masks for all Head Start program participants — even for children as young as 2 years old.
Head Start is a federal program with chapters in all 50 states that aims to "promote the school readiness of children ages birth to 5 from low-income families."
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Thiel on March 20, 2022, 05:09:20 AM
Post by: Thiel on March 20, 2022, 05:09:20 AM
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on March 20, 2022, 10:48:19 AM
Post by: Anonymous on March 20, 2022, 10:48:19 AM
New York City plans to indefinitely continue the city's vaccine mandate for private-sector employees who work on-site and will continue to enforce an in-school mask mandate for children aged 5 and under.
I thought Adams was reasonable, but I might be wrong.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on March 24, 2022, 08:46:37 PM
Post by: Anonymous on March 24, 2022, 08:46:37 PM
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on March 24, 2022, 08:49:21 PM
Post by: Anonymous on March 24, 2022, 08:49:21 PM
Canada is the only country in the developed world that restricts domestic air travel on the basis of vaccination status.
Australia requires it, don't they?
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on April 04, 2022, 08:05:49 AM
Post by: Anonymous on April 04, 2022, 08:05:49 AM
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Frood on April 04, 2022, 10:48:24 AM
Post by: Frood on April 04, 2022, 10:48:24 AM
Canada is the only country in the developed world that restricts domestic air travel on the basis of vaccination status.
Australia requires it, don't they?
Pretty much... unless you're thrown out of the nation...
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on April 04, 2022, 05:17:59 PM
Post by: Anonymous on April 04, 2022, 05:17:59 PM
Canada is the only country in the developed world that restricts domestic air travel on the basis of vaccination status.
Australia requires it, don't they?
Pretty much... unless you're thrown out of the nation...
Australia wasn't letting people out.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Frood on April 04, 2022, 08:44:45 PM
Post by: Frood on April 04, 2022, 08:44:45 PM
Canada is the only country in the developed world that restricts domestic air travel on the basis of vaccination status.
Australia requires it, don't they?
Pretty much... unless you're thrown out of the nation...
Australia wasn't letting people out.
Australia deports people they find irksome at the drop of a hat.... jab or no jab...
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on April 04, 2022, 09:17:41 PM
Post by: Anonymous on April 04, 2022, 09:17:41 PM
Canada is the only country in the developed world that restricts domestic air travel on the basis of vaccination status.
Australia requires it, don't they?
Pretty much... unless you're thrown out of the nation...
Australia wasn't letting people out.
Australia deports people they find irksome at the drop of a hat.... jab or no jab...
I feel IHJ means Australia banned it's citizens from travelling abroad.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on April 12, 2022, 07:49:02 AM
Post by: Anonymous on April 12, 2022, 07:49:02 AM
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on April 12, 2022, 10:42:37 AM
Post by: Anonymous on April 12, 2022, 10:42:37 AM
An extension on the federal mask mandate on airplanes and in airports is being considered, White House COVID-19 coordinator Ashish Jha said on April 11, even as cases and hospitalizations around the United States have dropped significantly in recent months.
Masks are still mandatory on American flights?
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on April 12, 2022, 01:10:00 PM
Post by: Anonymous on April 12, 2022, 01:10:00 PM
An extension on the federal mask mandate on airplanes and in airports is being considered, White House COVID-19 coordinator Ashish Jha said on April 11, even as cases and hospitalizations around the United States have dropped significantly in recent months.
Masks are still mandatory on American flights?
I didn't know this either.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: cw_ on April 13, 2022, 01:25:17 PM
Post by: cw_ on April 13, 2022, 01:25:17 PM
An extension on the federal mask mandate on airplanes and in airports is being considered, White House COVID-19 coordinator Ashish Jha said on April 11, even as cases and hospitalizations around the United States have dropped significantly in recent months.
Federal mask mandate in US extended by CDC through May 3 for planes, public transit, hubs and terminals.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on April 13, 2022, 02:27:01 PM
Post by: Anonymous on April 13, 2022, 02:27:01 PM
An extension on the federal mask mandate on airplanes and in airports is being considered, White House COVID-19 coordinator Ashish Jha said on April 11, even as cases and hospitalizations around the United States have dropped significantly in recent months.
Federal mask mandate in US extended by CDC through May 3 for planes, public transit, hubs and terminals.
And they might extend it beyond that date I assume.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: cw_ on April 13, 2022, 02:34:37 PM
Post by: cw_ on April 13, 2022, 02:34:37 PM
And they might extend it beyond that date I assume.
It's the bureaucratic way...
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on April 13, 2022, 03:28:38 PM
Post by: Anonymous on April 13, 2022, 03:28:38 PM
And they might extend it beyond that date I assume.
It's the bureaucratic way...
The Washington way.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on April 13, 2022, 04:16:54 PM
Post by: Anonymous on April 13, 2022, 04:16:54 PM
An extension on the federal mask mandate on airplanes and in airports is being considered, White House COVID-19 coordinator Ashish Jha said on April 11, even as cases and hospitalizations around the United States have dropped significantly in recent months.
Federal mask mandate in US extended by CDC through May 3 for planes, public transit, hubs and terminals.
Thank you cw_.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on April 18, 2022, 11:43:10 AM
Post by: Anonymous on April 18, 2022, 11:43:10 AM
In Nevada, the state of emergency has been declared in perpetuity, even as state lawmakers have unsuccessfully tried to pass measures limiting the authority of Democratic Gov. Steve Sisolak.
In Kansas, the emergency authority of Gov. Laura Kelly, also a Democrat, extends to January 2023. She has clung to the order even as the state's director of public health—a now-estranged former political ally—questioned the need for a continued state of emergency.
And in North Carolina, Democratic Gov. Roy Cooper in November vetoed legislation that would require wider input from elected leaders if he wished to continue his ability to issue restrictions under a declared emergency. The Republican-controlled legislature got around the veto by attaching provisions to the state's budget bill, which prevent Cooper from again declaring a state emergency and exercising singular authority for longer than 30 days. Yet Cooper last week extended the emergency due to expire in April even as cases waned.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on April 18, 2022, 03:41:52 PM
Post by: Anonymous on April 18, 2022, 03:41:52 PM
U.S. District Judge Kathryn Kimball Mizelle, who was appointed by former President Donald Trump, ruled that the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention exceeded its statutory authority by imposing masking requirements on airplanes, airports, and other forms of public transportation and transportation hubs. Mizelle wrote in a 59-page opinion that the agency did not follow proper procedure in issuing the masking order and failed to adequately explain its decisions.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Oliver Clotheshoffe on April 18, 2022, 10:05:39 PM
Post by: Oliver Clotheshoffe on April 18, 2022, 10:05:39 PM
A federal judge in Florida on Monday declared the Biden administration's mask mandate for public transportation unlawful.
U.S. District Judge Kathryn Kimball Mizelle, who was appointed by former President Donald Trump, ruled that the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention exceeded its statutory authority by imposing masking requirements on airplanes, airports, and other forms of public transportation and transportation hubs. Mizelle wrote in a 59-page opinion that the agency did not follow proper procedure in issuing the masking order and failed to adequately explain its decisions.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on April 18, 2022, 10:12:26 PM
Post by: Anonymous on April 18, 2022, 10:12:26 PM
A federal judge in Florida on Monday declared the Biden administration's mask mandate for public transportation unlawful.
U.S. District Judge Kathryn Kimball Mizelle, who was appointed by former President Donald Trump, ruled that the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention exceeded its statutory authority by imposing masking requirements on airplanes, airports, and other forms of public transportation and transportation hubs. Mizelle wrote in a 59-page opinion that the agency did not follow proper procedure in issuing the masking order and failed to adequately explain its decisions.
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Brother, old Herman is done with all this COVID shit.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on April 19, 2022, 03:15:08 PM
Post by: Anonymous on April 19, 2022, 03:15:08 PM
For example, in Ontario there is a considerable lobbying effort to get the province to reintroduce a mask mandate. The Doug Ford government isn't budging. Good for them.
When school boards have attempted to force masks back onto all students, the province has waded in to tell them to back off.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on April 19, 2022, 06:43:21 PM
Post by: Anonymous on April 19, 2022, 06:43:21 PM
As Canada grapples with a sixth wave of COVID-19, there are some voices calling from the sidelines to enact aggressive pandemic protocol rules once again. Thankfully, officials across the country are for the most part not giving in to those demands.
For example, in Ontario there is a considerable lobbying effort to get the province to reintroduce a mask mandate. The Doug Ford government isn't budging. Good for them.
When school boards have attempted to force masks back onto all students, the province has waded in to tell them to back off.
No more restrictions or mask mandates.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Thiel on April 19, 2022, 09:49:26 PM
Post by: Thiel on April 19, 2022, 09:49:26 PM
As Canada grapples with a sixth wave of COVID-19, there are some voices calling from the sidelines to enact aggressive pandemic protocol rules once again. Thankfully, officials across the country are for the most part not giving in to those demands.
For example, in Ontario there is a considerable lobbying effort to get the province to reintroduce a mask mandate. The Doug Ford government isn't budging. Good for them.
When school boards have attempted to force masks back onto all students, the province has waded in to tell them to back off.
No more restrictions or mask mandates.
Never again.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on April 20, 2022, 08:07:52 PM
Post by: Anonymous on April 20, 2022, 08:07:52 PM
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on April 20, 2022, 08:18:17 PM
Post by: Anonymous on April 20, 2022, 08:18:17 PM
Shanghai is easing the lockdown. about 4 million people are allowed to leave their homes.
That was a very harsh lockdown..
But, Melbourne, Australia had a very harsh lockdown too.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on April 24, 2022, 01:31:29 PM
Post by: Anonymous on April 24, 2022, 01:31:29 PM
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on May 23, 2022, 01:23:12 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 23, 2022, 01:23:12 PM
Belgium has become the first country to introduce a compulsory quarantine for people diagnosed with monkeypox, as the disease continues to spread seemingly randomly across the globe.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on May 23, 2022, 01:57:37 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 23, 2022, 01:57:37 PM
Here we go again.
Belgium has become the first country to introduce a compulsory quarantine for people diagnosed with monkeypox, as the disease continues to spread seemingly randomly across the globe.
Oh no.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: cc on May 23, 2022, 02:32:41 PM
Post by: cc on May 23, 2022, 02:32:41 PM
Isolating is not new nor is it rocket science, it's simple logic proven over the past century. Society has isolated infectious people for over a century for many spreadable and potentially deadly diseases
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on May 23, 2022, 03:53:31 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 23, 2022, 03:53:31 PM
Every potential spreader of any potentially deadly disease should be under kept separate from the general population.
Isolating is not new nor is it rocket science, it's simple logic proven over the past century. Society has isolated infectious people for over a century for many spreadable and potentially deadly diseases
We created a lot of collateral damage with COVID measures. Was it worth it? Hell no.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: cc on May 23, 2022, 04:06:15 PM
Post by: cc on May 23, 2022, 04:06:15 PM
Every potential spreader of any potentially deadly disease should be under kept separate from the general population.
Isolating is not new nor is it rocket science, it's simple logic proven over the past century. Society has isolated infectious people for over a century for many spreadable and potentially deadly diseases
We created a lot of collateral damage with COVID measures. Was it worth it? Hell no.
I don't get it. That's irrelevant to the issue of isolating the infected
Seems everyone is convoluting "isolation of infected" into "the unpopular rules for the masses"
Can't believe you guys are doing that with 2 such distinctly (night vs day) different & totally unrelated animals
Further, isolation of the infected (carrying a spreadable disease)to prevent spread has proven to be a no-brainer for over a century
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on May 24, 2022, 10:47:08 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 24, 2022, 10:47:08 PM
Every potential spreader of any potentially deadly disease should be under kept separate from the general population.
Isolating is not new nor is it rocket science, it's simple logic proven over the past century. Society has isolated infectious people for over a century for many spreadable and potentially deadly diseases
We created a lot of collateral damage with COVID measures. Was it worth it? Hell no.
I don't get it. That's irrelevant to the issue of isolating the infected
Seems everyone is convoluting "isolation of infected" into "the unpopular rules for the masses"
Can't believe you guys are doing that with 2 such distinctly (night vs day) different & totally unrelated animals
Further, isolation of the infected (carrying a spreadable disease)to prevent spread has proven to be a no-brainer for over a century
I aint talking about isolating infected folks or the elederly. Though most people who are catching omicron are only getting sick for about three days, so isolation should be a lot shorter.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on May 24, 2022, 11:30:18 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 24, 2022, 11:30:18 PM
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on May 24, 2022, 11:44:03 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 24, 2022, 11:44:03 PM
Locking down healthy people was a big mistake.
We will be paying for that for years to come.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on May 25, 2022, 01:33:07 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 25, 2022, 01:33:07 PM
Locking down healthy people was a big mistake.
We will be paying for that for years to come.
The worst decision of the 21st century so far.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on May 25, 2022, 10:43:47 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 25, 2022, 10:43:47 PM
Locking down healthy people was a big mistake.
We will be paying for that for years to come.
The worst decision of the 21st century so far.
It should've been a one time only emergency response.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Breakfall on June 02, 2022, 08:29:46 AM
Post by: Breakfall on June 02, 2022, 08:29:46 AM
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on June 02, 2022, 09:58:03 AM
Post by: Anonymous on June 02, 2022, 09:58:03 AM
What it did accomplish though for the most part, is the realisation that we're governed by a world of complete imbeciles that don't deserve the inflated salaries and retirements that they tax from us.(//%3C/s%3E%20%3CURL%20url=%22https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQXEKAuMWCFhbM9BTfc7C_dZ3f9vUPSPFvBfg&usqp=CAU%22%3E%3CLINK_TEXT%20text=%22https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/imag%20...%20g&usqp=CAU%22%3Ehttps://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQXEKAuMWCFhbM9BTfc7C_dZ3f9vUPSPFvBfg&usqp=CAU%3C/LINK_TEXT%3E%3C/URL%3E%3Ce%3E)
Lockdowns can't happen again.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Breakfall on June 03, 2022, 02:47:01 AM
Post by: Breakfall on June 03, 2022, 02:47:01 AM
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on June 03, 2022, 10:15:42 AM
Post by: Anonymous on June 03, 2022, 10:15:42 AM
:smiley_thumbs_up_yellow_ani: Agreed 100%
No matter what, we can't quarantine healthy people again.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Breakfall on June 03, 2022, 06:59:21 PM
Post by: Breakfall on June 03, 2022, 06:59:21 PM
:smiley_thumbs_up_yellow_ani: Agreed 100%
No matter what, we can't quarantine healthy people again.
I can't see it happening again given both the vaccinated and natural immunisations over the past two and a half years. Nobody wants a mindless vicious circle that's for sure.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Gaon on June 03, 2022, 11:14:44 PM
Post by: Gaon on June 03, 2022, 11:14:44 PM
:smiley_thumbs_up_yellow_ani: Agreed 100%
No matter what, we can't quarantine healthy people again.
I can't see it happening again given both the vaccinated and natural immunisations over the past two and a half years. Nobody wants a mindless vicious circle that's for sure.
:crazy:
Quarantining healthy people will cost us for years to come.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Breakfall on June 04, 2022, 12:17:53 AM
Post by: Breakfall on June 04, 2022, 12:17:53 AM
:smiley_thumbs_up_yellow_ani: Agreed 100%
No matter what, we can't quarantine healthy people again.
I can't see it happening again given both the vaccinated and natural immunisations over the past two and a half years. Nobody wants a mindless vicious circle that's for sure.
:crazy:
Quarantining healthy people will cost us for years to come.
It cost me over $300K and forced a career change. Some people can roll with the punches a little better. Mind you, it opened our eyes to the stupidity of the people that assume to govern us. The lower income earners will always be the sacrificial lambs unfortunately.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Rancidmilko on June 04, 2022, 11:17:58 AM
Post by: Rancidmilko on June 04, 2022, 11:17:58 AM
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on June 04, 2022, 11:30:34 AM
Post by: Anonymous on June 04, 2022, 11:30:34 AM
:smiley_thumbs_up_yellow_ani: Agreed 100%
No matter what, we can't quarantine healthy people again.
I can't see it happening again given both the vaccinated and natural immunisations over the past two and a half years. Nobody wants a mindless vicious circle that's for sure.
:crazy:
Quarantining healthy people will cost us for years to come.
It cost me over $300K and forced a career change. Some people can roll with the punches a little better. Mind you, it opened our eyes to the stupidity of the people that assume to govern us. The lower income earners will always be the sacrificial lambs unfortunately.
You should be able to sue to recover your losses. But that won't happen.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Dove on June 04, 2022, 12:04:24 PM
Post by: Dove on June 04, 2022, 12:04:24 PM
:smiley_thumbs_up_yellow_ani: Agreed 100%
No matter what, we can't quarantine healthy people again.
I can't see it happening again given both the vaccinated and natural immunisations over the past two and a half years. Nobody wants a mindless vicious circle that's for sure.
:crazy:
Quarantining healthy people will cost us for years to come.
It cost me over $300K and forced a career change. Some people can roll with the punches a little better. Mind you, it opened our eyes to the stupidity of the people that assume to govern us. The lower income earners will always be the sacrificial lambs unfortunately.
It destroyed a lot of lives here in the states. We lost so many small businesses.
Imagine the business you spent your whole life building and taking care of your family with being lost forever. Destroyed over politics.
Trump made a mistake going along with the lockdowns. Two weeks was reasonable but to go on like that as long as we did costs so much. And thousands of children starved too death in third world countries.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Rancidmilko on June 04, 2022, 12:10:25 PM
Post by: Rancidmilko on June 04, 2022, 12:10:25 PM
It's pretty obvious that the plan is going just fine. For the evil ones, of course.
They got rich and now that AI and robotics have made a lot of people "obsolete", they simply need to get rid of the "excess of slaves" and the world is completely theirs for the take.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on June 04, 2022, 12:13:19 PM
Post by: Anonymous on June 04, 2022, 12:13:19 PM
No matter what, we can't quarantine healthy people again.
I can't see it happening again given both the vaccinated and natural immunisations over the past two and a half years. Nobody wants a mindless vicious circle that's for sure.
:crazy:
Quarantining healthy people will cost us for years to come.
It cost me over $300K and forced a career change. Some people can roll with the punches a little better. Mind you, it opened our eyes to the stupidity of the people that assume to govern us. The lower income earners will always be the sacrificial lambs unfortunately.
It destroyed a lot of lives here in the states. We lost so many small businesses.
Imagine the business you spent your whole life building and taking care of your family with being lost forever. Destroyed over politics.
Trump made a mistake going along with the lockdowns. Two weeks was reasonable but to go on like that as long as we did costs so much. And thousands of children starved too death in third world countries.
I agree, a one time, 2-4 week lockdown perhaps. But, it became the de facto position. Freedom supporting politicians went along with it because they didn't know what to do. This was the first scamdemic, I mean pandemic in a century.
The collateral damage of lockdowns will last a long time. Bonkerfist is just one of millions of victims of lockdown insanity. Anyone retiring in the next three years will be poorer than they planned through no fault of their own.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Dove on June 04, 2022, 12:17:33 PM
Post by: Dove on June 04, 2022, 12:17:33 PM
I can't see it happening again given both the vaccinated and natural immunisations over the past two and a half years. Nobody wants a mindless vicious circle that's for sure.
:crazy:
Quarantining healthy people will cost us for years to come.
It cost me over $300K and forced a career change. Some people can roll with the punches a little better. Mind you, it opened our eyes to the stupidity of the people that assume to govern us. The lower income earners will always be the sacrificial lambs unfortunately.
It destroyed a lot of lives here in the states. We lost so many small businesses.
Imagine the business you spent your whole life building and taking care of your family with being lost forever. Destroyed over politics.
Trump made a mistake going along with the lockdowns. Two weeks was reasonable but to go on like that as long as we did costs so much. And thousands of children starved too death in third world countries.
I agree, a one time, 2-4 week lockdown perhaps. But, it became the de facto position. Freedom supporting politicians went along with it because they didn't know what to do. This was the first scamdemic, I mean pandemic in a century.
The collateral damage of lockdowns will last a long time. Bonkerfist is just one of millions of victims of lockdown insanity. Anyone retiring in the next three years will be poorer than they planned through no fault of their own.
We had a swine flu pandemic during the Obama administration.
Covid was met with nothing but politcs and partisan fueled hysteria. I think its completely horrifying that this was made so politcal....putting politcs over human life. And people have shown how uncaring they really are.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Rancidmilko on June 04, 2022, 12:22:40 PM
Post by: Rancidmilko on June 04, 2022, 12:22:40 PM
We had a swine flu pandemic during the Obama administration.
Covid was met with nothing but politcs and partisan fueled hysteria. I think its completely horrifying that this was made so politcal....putting politcs over human life. And people have shown how uncaring they really are.
I saw so many reports of people here saying that someone they knew went to the hospital having a heart attack, a stroke or something else and yet, it said "covid" as cause of their death in certificates.
Usually, humble, poor people. We have "socialized" healthcare here, so many public hospitals were rolling in cash.
So many suspicious deals with companies that had nothing to with the health industry. Because it was an emergency, they went thru purchases without public offerings being made
I personally knew only one person who really died of covid, a friend's father, he was 80
And I had one friend who went to the ICU and he has had a bad immune system since he was a kid.
They talk about 650k deaths because of covid here, but it's impossible to accept that figure if you're not retarded
And for some reason, you can't find stats on the causes of death during the pandemic. It's like they don't wanna people finding out that for some "miracle", people stopped dying of the common causes and were dying only of covid.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on June 04, 2022, 12:25:23 PM
Post by: Anonymous on June 04, 2022, 12:25:23 PM
Quarantining healthy people will cost us for years to come.
It cost me over $300K and forced a career change. Some people can roll with the punches a little better. Mind you, it opened our eyes to the stupidity of the people that assume to govern us. The lower income earners will always be the sacrificial lambs unfortunately.
It destroyed a lot of lives here in the states. We lost so many small businesses.
Imagine the business you spent your whole life building and taking care of your family with being lost forever. Destroyed over politics.
Trump made a mistake going along with the lockdowns. Two weeks was reasonable but to go on like that as long as we did costs so much. And thousands of children starved too death in third world countries.
I agree, a one time, 2-4 week lockdown perhaps. But, it became the de facto position. Freedom supporting politicians went along with it because they didn't know what to do. This was the first scamdemic, I mean pandemic in a century.
The collateral damage of lockdowns will last a long time. Bonkerfist is just one of millions of victims of lockdown insanity. Anyone retiring in the next three years will be poorer than they planned through no fault of their own.
We had a swine flu pandemic during the Obama administration.
That was not declared a global pandemic.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on June 04, 2022, 12:26:36 PM
Post by: Anonymous on June 04, 2022, 12:26:36 PM
We had a swine flu pandemic during the Obama administration.
Covid was met with nothing but politcs and partisan fueled hysteria. I think its completely horrifying that this was made so politcal....putting politcs over human life. And people have shown how uncaring they really are.
I saw so many reports of people here saying that someone they knew went to the hospital having a heart attack, a stroke or something else and yet, it said "covid" as cause of their death in certificates.
Usually, humble, poor people. We have "socialized" healthcare here, so many public hospitals were rolling in cash.
So many suspicious deals with companies that had nothing to with the health industry. Because it was an emergency, they went thru purchases without public offerings being made
I personally knew only one person who really died of covid, a friend's father, he was 80
And I had one friend who went to the ICU and he has had a bad immune system since he was a kid.
They talk about 650k deaths because of covid here, but it's impossible to accept that figure if you're not retarded
And for some reason, you can't find stats on the causes of death during the pandemic. It's like they don't wanna people finding out that for some "miracle", people stopped dying of the common causes and were dying only of covid.
The death toll in the US from COVID is hyper-inflated.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Dove on June 04, 2022, 12:32:52 PM
Post by: Dove on June 04, 2022, 12:32:52 PM
It cost me over $300K and forced a career change. Some people can roll with the punches a little better. Mind you, it opened our eyes to the stupidity of the people that assume to govern us. The lower income earners will always be the sacrificial lambs unfortunately.
It destroyed a lot of lives here in the states. We lost so many small businesses.
Imagine the business you spent your whole life building and taking care of your family with being lost forever. Destroyed over politics.
Trump made a mistake going along with the lockdowns. Two weeks was reasonable but to go on like that as long as we did costs so much. And thousands of children starved too death in third world countries.
I agree, a one time, 2-4 week lockdown perhaps. But, it became the de facto position. Freedom supporting politicians went along with it because they didn't know what to do. This was the first scamdemic, I mean pandemic in a century.
The collateral damage of lockdowns will last a long time. Bonkerfist is just one of millions of victims of lockdown insanity. Anyone retiring in the next three years will be poorer than they planned through no fault of their own.
We had a swine flu pandemic during the Obama administration.
That was not declared a global pandemic.
No? I remember people saying "swine flu pandemic".
I didnt pay very much attention to it lol
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on June 04, 2022, 12:50:09 PM
Post by: Anonymous on June 04, 2022, 12:50:09 PM
It destroyed a lot of lives here in the states. We lost so many small businesses.
Imagine the business you spent your whole life building and taking care of your family with being lost forever. Destroyed over politics.
Trump made a mistake going along with the lockdowns. Two weeks was reasonable but to go on like that as long as we did costs so much. And thousands of children starved too death in third world countries.
I agree, a one time, 2-4 week lockdown perhaps. But, it became the de facto position. Freedom supporting politicians went along with it because they didn't know what to do. This was the first scamdemic, I mean pandemic in a century.
The collateral damage of lockdowns will last a long time. Bonkerfist is just one of millions of victims of lockdown insanity. Anyone retiring in the next three years will be poorer than they planned through no fault of their own.
We had a swine flu pandemic during the Obama administration.
That was not declared a global pandemic.
No? I remember people saying "swine flu pandemic".
I didnt pay very much attention to it lol
I thought COVID was the first declared global pandemic since the Spanish Flu. But, a cursory search didn't provide me with any links to support that.
I'll put a bookmark here and come back to it. It's Saturday, it's not raining, which means golf. TTYL.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Breakfall on June 04, 2022, 07:50:32 PM
Post by: Breakfall on June 04, 2022, 07:50:32 PM
No matter what, we can't quarantine healthy people again.
I can't see it happening again given both the vaccinated and natural immunisations over the past two and a half years. Nobody wants a mindless vicious circle that's for sure.
:crazy:
Quarantining healthy people will cost us for years to come.
It cost me over $300K and forced a career change. Some people can roll with the punches a little better. Mind you, it opened our eyes to the stupidity of the people that assume to govern us. The lower income earners will always be the sacrificial lambs unfortunately.
It destroyed a lot of lives here in the states. We lost so many small businesses.
Imagine the business you spent your whole life building and taking care of your family with being lost forever. Destroyed over politics.
Trump made a mistake going along with the lockdowns. Two weeks was reasonable but to go on like that as long as we did costs so much. And thousands of children starved too death in third world countries.
The world didn't know how to handle the outbreak. Many countries didn't know what to do. If they didn't enforce lockdowns and the virus decimated their country, those people in government would've been held responsible and deemed incompetent. They would have been ridiculed and gone down in the history books as having gross negligence and held responsible for their nations death toll and demise.
Children however are always starving to death in developing countries. That's the harsh reality in countries where education is low and a polygamous mindset seems a normality.
Save The Children, is a great charity to be involved in if you would like to make a difference during these trying times. Your money would go to food, medicines, clothing, education and infrastructure.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Dove on June 04, 2022, 09:23:27 PM
Post by: Dove on June 04, 2022, 09:23:27 PM
I can't see it happening again given both the vaccinated and natural immunisations over the past two and a half years. Nobody wants a mindless vicious circle that's for sure.
:crazy:
Quarantining healthy people will cost us for years to come.
It cost me over $300K and forced a career change. Some people can roll with the punches a little better. Mind you, it opened our eyes to the stupidity of the people that assume to govern us. The lower income earners will always be the sacrificial lambs unfortunately.
It destroyed a lot of lives here in the states. We lost so many small businesses.
Imagine the business you spent your whole life building and taking care of your family with being lost forever. Destroyed over politics.
Trump made a mistake going along with the lockdowns. Two weeks was reasonable but to go on like that as long as we did costs so much. And thousands of children starved too death in third world countries.
The world didn't know how to handle the outbreak. Many countries didn't know what to do. If they didn't enforce lockdowns and the virus decimated their country, those people in government would've been held responsible and deemed incompetent. They would have been ridiculed and gone down in the history books as having gross negligence and held responsible for their nations death toll and demise.
Children however are always starving to death in developing countries. That's the harsh reality in countries where education is low and a polygamous mindset seems a normality.
Save The Children, is a great charity to be involved in if you would like to make a difference during these trying times. Your money would go to food, medicines, clothing, education and infrastructure.(//%3C/s%3E%20%3CURL%20url=%22https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcST3DXXc_X19jO5xd4lXKUZHNF5gqRzQk3OYw&usqp=CAU%22%3E%3CLINK_TEXT%20text=%22https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/imag%20...%20w&usqp=CAU%22%3Ehttps://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcST3DXXc_X19jO5xd4lXKUZHNF5gqRzQk3OYw&usqp=CAU%3C/LINK_TEXT%3E%3C/URL%3E%3Ce%3E)
The federal government should have provided aid to states and made sure objective and factual info was available.
And that's it. Have the states run their states and give people the most updated information possible and allow people to deal with it the way they decide.
The American government exists to protect and preserve the rights of the people. Them locking people down was a major over reach. They should have served the people while making sure they had the right info and resources to navigate the virus.
There is absolutely no evidence the lockdowns did a single thing to help. The cost of doing it was way too high for no actual benefit whatsoever.
And yes I know children starve in the third world all the time. But the lockdowns resulted in the starvation of thousands more. We already donate towards outreach for third world families. Most of our donation money is spent helping Americans, though. We have a lot of issues here. But thanks for the recommendation
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Breakfall on June 04, 2022, 09:39:07 PM
Post by: Breakfall on June 04, 2022, 09:39:07 PM
Quarantining healthy people will cost us for years to come.
It cost me over $300K and forced a career change. Some people can roll with the punches a little better. Mind you, it opened our eyes to the stupidity of the people that assume to govern us. The lower income earners will always be the sacrificial lambs unfortunately.
It destroyed a lot of lives here in the states. We lost so many small businesses.
Imagine the business you spent your whole life building and taking care of your family with being lost forever. Destroyed over politics.
Trump made a mistake going along with the lockdowns. Two weeks was reasonable but to go on like that as long as we did costs so much. And thousands of children starved too death in third world countries.
The world didn't know how to handle the outbreak. Many countries didn't know what to do. If they didn't enforce lockdowns and the virus decimated their country, those people in government would've been held responsible and deemed incompetent. They would have been ridiculed and gone down in the history books as having gross negligence and held responsible for their nations death toll and demise.
Children however are always starving to death in developing countries. That's the harsh reality in countries where education is low and a polygamous mindset seems a normality.
Save The Children, is a great charity to be involved in if you would like to make a difference during these trying times. Your money would go to food, medicines, clothing, education and infrastructure.(//%3C/s%3E%20%3CURL%20url=%22https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcST3DXXc_X19jO5xd4lXKUZHNF5gqRzQk3OYw&usqp=CAU%22%3E%3CLINK_TEXT%20text=%22https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/imag%20...%20w&usqp=CAU%22%3Ehttps://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcST3DXXc_X19jO5xd4lXKUZHNF5gqRzQk3OYw&usqp=CAU%3C/LINK_TEXT%3E%3C/URL%3E%3Ce%3E)
The federal government should have provided aid to states and made sure objective and factual info was available.
And that's it. Have the states run their states and give people the most updated information possible and allow people to deal with it the way they decide.
The American government exists to protect and preserve the rights of the people. Them locking people down was a major over reach. They should have served the people while making sure they had the right info and resources to navigate the virus.
There is absolutely no evidence the lockdowns did a single thing to help. The cost of doing it was way too high for no actual benefit whatsoever.
And yes I know children starve in the third world all the time. But the lockdowns resulted in the starvation of thousands more. We already donate towards outreach for third world families. Most of our donation money is spent helping Americans, though. We have a lot of issues here. But thanks for the recommendation:thumbup:
In South Africa, foreign aid is often misappropriated and used as a means to secure the ANC vote, the current terrorist government (Mandela's legacy) that is responsible for driving the entire country into the mud. Foreign aid is used and redistributed to those loyal to the terrorist regime.
During the lockdowns, looting by both the impoverished and the police force probably helped feed the starving children.
Now in Australia, the government did provide monetary aid during the lockdowns. And while it did help the legitimately poor, so many well-off people took advantage of the aid and kept working. Even various businesses going so far as to defraud the government. The taxation audits this year are going to be eye-opening.
Greed is as ugly as it comes...
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on June 08, 2022, 07:48:58 AM
Post by: Anonymous on June 08, 2022, 07:48:58 AM
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on June 08, 2022, 08:40:00 AM
Post by: Anonymous on June 08, 2022, 08:40:00 AM
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) on Monday raised its alert level for monkeypox to level 2 and recommended that people wear masks when traveling, before appearing to make a U-turn on the advice.
Monkeypox isn't airborne, is it?
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Breakfall on June 09, 2022, 12:41:42 AM
Post by: Breakfall on June 09, 2022, 12:41:42 AM
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) on Monday raised its alert level for monkeypox to level 2 and recommended that people wear masks when traveling, before appearing to make a U-turn on the advice.
Monkeypox isn't airborne, is it?
Not at all, although it can be spread from respiratory droplets like a sneeze. It's supposedly spread by rough and ready sex. I heard that's it's rife in the ghey community. Ordinarily it's spread from animals to humans via open wounds and lesions.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on June 09, 2022, 06:46:15 AM
Post by: Anonymous on June 09, 2022, 06:46:15 AM
Monkeypox isn't airborne, is it?
Not at all, although it can be spread from respiratory droplets like a sneeze. It's supposedly spread by rough and ready sex. I heard that's it's rife in the ghey community. Ordinarily it's spread from animals to humans via open wounds and lesions.
:beurk:
There's no need for lockdowns.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on June 09, 2022, 10:37:43 AM
Post by: Anonymous on June 09, 2022, 10:37:43 AM
Not at all, although it can be spread from respiratory droplets like a sneeze. It's supposedly spread by rough and ready sex. I heard that's it's rife in the ghey community. Ordinarily it's spread from animals to humans via open wounds and lesions.
:beurk:
There's no need for lockdowns.
Not for the pox.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Rancidmilko on June 09, 2022, 11:34:03 AM
Post by: Rancidmilko on June 09, 2022, 11:34:03 AM
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on June 09, 2022, 01:30:09 PM
Post by: Anonymous on June 09, 2022, 01:30:09 PM
At the same time that I admire China for keeping their culture and morals intact, they scare the living fuck out of me sometimeshttps://nextshark.com/shanghai-lockdown-residents-screaming-viral-video/
China destroyed it's own culture after 1949..
It's said if you want to know true Chinese history and culture, go to Taiwan.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Breakfall on June 09, 2022, 11:33:03 PM
Post by: Breakfall on June 09, 2022, 11:33:03 PM
Not at all, although it can be spread from respiratory droplets like a sneeze. It's supposedly spread by rough and ready sex. I heard that's it's rife in the ghey community. Ordinarily it's spread from animals to humans via open wounds and lesions.
:beurk:
There's no need for lockdowns.
Lockdowns would increase the prevalence of monkey pox in certain circles!
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on June 10, 2022, 07:36:48 AM
Post by: Anonymous on June 10, 2022, 07:36:48 AM
There's no need for lockdowns.
Lockdowns would increase the prevalence of monkey pox in certain circles!
It's the wrong reation to monkeypox.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Breakfall on June 10, 2022, 06:43:31 PM
Post by: Breakfall on June 10, 2022, 06:43:31 PM
Lockdowns would increase the prevalence of monkey pox in certain circles!
It's the wrong reation to monkeypox.
Canadians aren't suggesting lockdowns surely?
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on June 11, 2022, 07:13:37 AM
Post by: Anonymous on June 11, 2022, 07:13:37 AM
It's the wrong reation to monkeypox.
Canadians aren't suggesting lockdowns surely?
Not yet Bonkerfist, but our prime minister continues to ignore the science and refuses to lift mask, and vaccine mandates for international travel to and from this country.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Breakfall on June 12, 2022, 05:08:37 AM
Post by: Breakfall on June 12, 2022, 05:08:37 AM
Canadians aren't suggesting lockdowns surely?
Not yet Bonkerfist, but our prime minister continues to ignore the science and refuses to lift mask, and vaccine mandates for international travel to and from this country.
He's just a child really! Daddy's little cupcake. This is one of the sides of politics that really sucks!
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on June 12, 2022, 08:16:16 AM
Post by: Anonymous on June 12, 2022, 08:16:16 AM
There is no remorse at the CDC. Far from it. The model of virus control deployed over the last 27 months is now part of normal operations. It wants it institutionalized.
The bureaucracy has now codified this into a new online tool that instructs cities and states precisely of what they are supposed to do given a certain level of community spread. The new tool doesn't say lockdowns as such but the entire model of containment via masks and distancing is baked in, and it can be easily expanded at will.
To understand how absurd this is, consider that as of this writing, major parts of Southern Florida are supposed to be masked up, according to the map provided by the CDC, because COVID testing reveals high community spread.
Hardly anyone in Florida has worn a mask since 2020. The very notion is a joke there. However, what happens to the other states and what happens when or if political control of Florida changes to a pro-lockdown party?
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on June 20, 2022, 09:51:37 PM
Post by: Anonymous on June 20, 2022, 09:51:37 PM
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on June 20, 2022, 09:57:29 PM
Post by: Anonymous on June 20, 2022, 09:57:29 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aXHqnHzas00&t=9s
Canadians will not accept lockdowns again.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on June 20, 2022, 10:08:45 PM
Post by: Anonymous on June 20, 2022, 10:08:45 PM
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on June 27, 2022, 08:00:47 AM
Post by: Anonymous on June 27, 2022, 08:00:47 AM
Canada's public health agency made a "tragic error" by grounding its COVID-19 response policies on coercion rather than persuasion, which was a key medical principle that had been thrown away during the pandemic, according to Dr. Richard Schabas, a former Ontario chief medical officer of health.
Schabas, who served as Ontario's top doctor from 1987 to 1997, said on June 24 that the public health principle that he practiced for decades was "based on persuasion, not coercion," and would hardly resort to legal powers in medical interventions.
He said that governments' COVID-19 vaccination mandates have backfired, as instead of meeting the intention of getting more people vaccinated, they have resulted in more people being turned away in the long run.
"By polarizing the issue, by making it a question of coercion, they've taken a group of people—many people who would have been persuaded to take the vaccine—and lock them down as being opposed to vaccines because they don't want to be forced," he said.
"I think that's a tragic error."
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on July 06, 2022, 07:53:16 AM
Post by: Anonymous on July 06, 2022, 07:53:16 AM
Malone is also a specialist in clinical research, medical affairs, regulatory affairs, project management proposal management, vaccines, and biodefense.
He said that prior to the Chinese Communist Party virus outbreak, the standard procedure would have been for the CDC (Center for Disease Control and Prevention), a federal agency, to give advice to state public health authorities in order to regulate medical practices.
"Up until the present, that's always been acknowledged. The role of the federal government is in consultation and support and advice. This approach has not been implemented during the COVID crisis ... during SARS-Cov2 COVID-19 outbreak, new policies and practices have been implemented," Malone testified in the hearing.
Malone has been involved with previous outbreak responses, including AIDS, anthrax, smallpox, and has worked on the smallpox vaccine, influenza vaccine, Ebola, Zika, and now SARS-Cov2.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on July 14, 2022, 09:48:59 PM
Post by: Anonymous on July 14, 2022, 09:48:59 PM
OTTAWA - The federal government is bringing back mandatory random COVID-19 testing for air travellers coming into Canada, starting July 19.
A little more than a month after pausing the measure, the Public Health Agency of Canada (PHAC) announced Thursday it will be re-implementing random testing for fully vaccinated air travellers arriving into the country at four major Canadian airports: Vancouver, Calgary, Montreal and Toronto.
The testing will be conducted offsite, either at in-person appointments at "select testing provider locations and pharmacies," or using virtual appointments and self-swab tests. The ArriveCAN app will make the random selections, and travellers will receive an email within 15 minutes of filling out their customs declaration, detailing how they can arrange their tests.
Travellers will then have to organize how and where to complete their test with a designated test provider at no cost, whether that be making an in-person testing appointment or picking up a test to self swab during a virtual appointment.
The mandatory random testing only applies to fully-vaccinated travellers. Unless exempt, unvaccinated travellers will still have to test on days one and eight of their mandatory 14-day quarantine. If a fully-vaccinated traveller tests positive, a 10-day isolation is required, regardless of the province or territory in which the traveller resides.
Mandatory random testing continues at land border points of entry, the government added.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Thiel on July 14, 2022, 10:37:02 PM
Post by: Thiel on July 14, 2022, 10:37:02 PM
Here we go again.Canada resuming mandatory random COVID-19 testing for air travellers
OTTAWA - The federal government is bringing back mandatory random COVID-19 testing for air travellers coming into Canada, starting July 19.
A little more than a month after pausing the measure, the Public Health Agency of Canada (PHAC) announced Thursday it will be re-implementing random testing for fully vaccinated air travellers arriving into the country at four major Canadian airports: Vancouver, Calgary, Montreal and Toronto.
The testing will be conducted offsite, either at in-person appointments at "select testing provider locations and pharmacies," or using virtual appointments and self-swab tests. The ArriveCAN app will make the random selections, and travellers will receive an email within 15 minutes of filling out their customs declaration, detailing how they can arrange their tests.
Travellers will then have to organize how and where to complete their test with a designated test provider at no cost, whether that be making an in-person testing appointment or picking up a test to self swab during a virtual appointment.
The mandatory random testing only applies to fully-vaccinated travellers. Unless exempt, unvaccinated travellers will still have to test on days one and eight of their mandatory 14-day quarantine. If a fully-vaccinated traveller tests positive, a 10-day isolation is required, regardless of the province or territory in which the traveller resides.
Mandatory random testing continues at land border points of entry, the government added.https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/canada-resuming-mandatory-random-covid-19-testing-for-air-travellers-1.5987380
I heard. Cases are rising around the world again. We will never drop the ArriveCan app as long as Trudeau's Liberals are the government.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Thiel on July 25, 2022, 10:24:05 PM
Post by: Thiel on July 25, 2022, 10:24:05 PM
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Frood on July 27, 2022, 08:38:43 AM
Post by: Frood on July 27, 2022, 08:38:43 AM
The Canadian military is going to end vaccine mandates.
Too little, too late... their majority are already poisoned and nobody wants to join anyway. Why sign up with all the propaganda about Russia, Russia, Russia.... and then the mandates from earlier?
Fuck government and fuck government jobs.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Anonymous on July 28, 2022, 07:01:08 PM
Post by: Anonymous on July 28, 2022, 07:01:08 PM
White House medical adviser Anthony Fauci claimed Monday that he never recommended "locking anything down" when pressed about what he would do differently regarding the COVID-19 pandemic.
"First of all, I didn't recommend locking anything down," Fauci replied during an interview published by The Hill's "Rising" program on Monday, suggesting it had been a recommendation from the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC).
"Go back and look at my statements," he added, "that we need to do everything we can to keep the schools open and safe."
Although it's unclear exactly what Fauci meant by lockdowns, in October 2020, Fauci had publicly recommended that former President Donald Trump "shut the whole country down," although it's not clear what he meant as presidents don't have the authority to hand down sweeping lockdowns.
"When it became clear that we had community spread in the country ... I recommended to the president that we shut the country down," he said in an event with students at the College of the Holy Cross in October 2020.
If the United States didn't "shut down completely the way China did," then the spread of COVID-19 wouldn't be stopped, Fauci continued to say at the time. The Chinese Communist Party (CCP) since early 2020 has pursued a "zero COVID" strategy that some analysts say is tantamount to economic suicide.
Closing Schools and Bars
In August 2020, Fauci said that public schools should remain closed across the country to prevent the spread of COVID-19. Fauci also publicly suggested multiple times in 2020 that bars and restaurants should remain closed, then arguing that there was a binary choice between opening schools or bars.
"You have a choice—either close the bars or close the schools. Because, if you have people congregating in bars, it's likely you're going to stay red," the longtime head of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases said in November 2020.
Also during the interview with The Hill, Fauci said there should have been "much more stringent restrictions" imposed on asymptomatic people in 2020.
"We know now, two and a half years later, that anywhere from 50 to 60 percent of the transmission occur from someone without symptoms, either someone who never will get symptoms or someone who is in the pre-symptomatic stage," he said.
It's not clear how Fauci came to this conclusion about asymptomatic spread. Physician Aaron Kheriaty wrote for the Brownstone Institute that "no respiratory virus in history" has been known to spread asymptomatically.
"Had we known that then, the insidious nature of spread in the community would have been much more of an alarm and there would have been much, much more stringent restrictions in the sense of very, very heavy, encouraging people to wear masks, physical distancing or what have you," added Fauci, who again called for mask-wearing in schools, workplaces, and "anything that brings people together in a closed environment" in some areas.
Title: Re: The long term cost of lock downs
Post by: Herman on February 25, 2025, 08:42:12 PM
Post by: Herman on February 25, 2025, 08:42:12 PM
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