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Quote from: "Obvious Li"Fast Food Workers want more $...looking for $15/hr.





I was reading a few headlines and there have been comments in the press these past couple of years about fast food workers wages here are a few thoughts...agree or disagree ??



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Demand $15-per-hour minimum wage...

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Yes they need to be paid more and not just so they can make ends meet in this economy, BUT enough with the corporate welfare crap!! We taxpayers pay the extra in social assistance and welfare etc so these huge fast food corporations can make more profit.



Higher wages for low income workers will not result in them being laid off en-mass because number of employees equals number of sales. McDonald's etc are about profit (which they should be but not at taxpayers expense) and they will continue to hire just as many employees as they need to sell as many burgers as they can, same thing as they do today.



Nor will it make burgers etc to expensive for the those with decent paying jobs, labor wages are just one factor in the cost of burgers and there have been lots of price increases in the last 10 years and sales continue to climb.



Lastly anyone who eats one of these fast food burgers should have their head examined imo ...what crap. There is plenty of food available at the same or better price point and if you really want a good burger buy some hamburger and cook it yourself.



I know the usual suspects will say "we can't let low income workers get more it will will ruin the economy and cause inflation" "fast food will be forced to lay people off" "corps will go broke" and " they are all young people anyways" .......i call BS



When I consider what many do  and get many times $15/hr. to not do, it further reinforces for me those at the bottom of the wage scale need to be paid more than they are even asking for.



Minimum wage should be a minimum $15/hour for any job...we just need to be willing to pay for the increase in cost in goods and services that will result......very minimum, i suggest.

comments....

Quote from: "Obvious Li"good points Fash,.....However....rarely do fast food workers get tips.



In the case of restaurants and tips i am open to suggestions regarding those...i agree paying a guaranteed $15 /hour may act as a disincentive to work hard but there is a simple way to level the playing field by having the owners apportion tips to the workers who deserve it as a bonus......

Quote from: "Romero"I believe it's a different situation in the US. In Canada the lowest minimum wage is $9.95/hour but in the US it's only $7.25/hour. Minimum wage in the US shouldn't be lower than what it was in 1968(adjusted into today's dollars). The big fast food companies are raking in billions while their workers are forced to go on food stamps and other assistance. It costs American taxpayers billions every year. Corporate welfare.



I don't think it should be raised to $15/hour though. It should be raised to at least $10/hour for now.

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Quote from: "Romero"I believe it's a different situation in the US. In Canada the lowest minimum wage is $9.95/hour but in the US it's only $7.25/hour. Minimum wage in the US shouldn't be lower than what it was in 1968(adjusted into today's dollars). The big fast food companies are raking in billions while their workers are forced to go on food stamps and other assistance. It costs American taxpayers billions every year. Corporate welfare.



I don't think it should be raised to $15/hour though. It should be raised to at least $10/hour for now.

get with with program homy....$15/hr = approximately $2500 per mo........almost pushes you into survival if you watch your pennies.......who can survive at $10 per hr. these days.....

Quote from: "Obvious Li"get with with program homy....$15/hr = approximately $2500 per mo........almost pushes you into survival if you watch your pennies.......who can survive at $10 per hr. these days.....

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Quote from: "Obvious Li"get with with program homy....$15/hr = approximately $2500 per mo........almost pushes you into survival if you watch your pennies.......who can survive at $10 per hr. these days.....

Wait, you're arguing for a $15/hr minimum and I'm arguing for a $10/hr minimum wage?



What the heck is going on? Who are you?  :lol:

Quote from: "Romero"Though I might like them to be a little higher, I think minimum wages in Canada are okay. The real problem is in the US where they're much lower and it's forcing Americans to really struggle.



It's more about the US fast food industry than any local restaurant. Fast food workers there get so little yet their owners are raking in billions. It's just as profitable in Canada, but at least all our fast food and restaurant workers get a living wage.



American minimum wagers receive $2-3 less per hour than most developed countries. It's way too low and it certainly hasn't helped things there much.

Quote from: "Romero"The wealthiest, most highly developed countries in the world have minimum wages of at least $10/hour. The poorest countries have the lowest minimum wages.



It's not just kids in their first job working in the fast food industry. Fast food workers deserve a living wage. It helps them and their families, it helps them advance to other careers, it stimulates the economy, and it saves taxpayers money by keeping workers off government assistance.



It works well in Canada, Europe, Japan and Oceania, and it can work in the US too. Companies can continue their high profits, it would lower government spending and stimulate the economy, and it bring millions out of poverty and suffering.



How could millions of Americans living in poverty and needing food stamps be a good thing? And all so a handful of corporations can make a few extra bucks they don't need. The economy would be doing a lot better if people had a little more money.

Quote from: "Romero"Singapore is a city-state where one third of the population is cheap foreign labour. No thanks.



Going back to the days of the Industrial Revolution is definitely not the answer. The wealthiest countries with the highest standard of living pay their citizens well.

Quote from: "Romero"Minimum wage starts at $10/hour in Canada and other wealthy countries, but it's not forcing small businesses into bankruptcy. People here are doing much better than people in the US! It gets even worse every single year they don't raise the minimum wage.

Quote from: "Romero"Why are you comparing Calgary to Nevada? Millions of American minimum wagers work in cities more expensive than Calgary.



A higher minimum wage might add pennies to a burger, but certainly not dollars. We're all better off in Canada so there's no reason it wouldn't work out well in the US!

Quote from: "Renee"Romero thinks working at McDonalds should be a career.

Quote from: "Renee"He thinks that people should be paid 10 dollars and hour to start for flipping a burger or scooping up fries.

Quote from: "Renee"He and everyone like him are out of their loony liberal minds.

Quote from: "Romero"

Quote from: "Renee"Romero thinks working at McDonalds should be a career.

No, but for millions of Americans a minimum wage job is all they can get.

Quote from: "Renee"He thinks that people should be paid 10 dollars and hour to start for flipping a burger or scooping up fries.

They are paid $10/hour to start for flipping a burger or scooping up fries - in Canada and other countries with better economies and standards of living. You already lost the argument years ago. Your economy sucks and millions have been sent into poverty. Fifty million Americans can't even afford to feed themselves and their families.



If the cost of living keeps going up and wages don't, how are people going to be able to afford housing, food, clothes, transportation and education? The US is becoming more like a Third World country every day.



Two thirds of American minimum wagers are adults and one third are adults with at least one child. There aren't any decent jobs any more, thanks to the same people who thought a crappy minimum wage was a good idea.



What's with the Obamacare conspiracy theory? The left has been arguing for a higher minimum wage years and years before Obamacare. There have been some hiccups, but don't believe the lies you're being fed. Obamacare is going to finally provide health care for millions of Americans. Something else enjoyed in Canada and other more developed nations.

Quote from: "Renee"He and everyone like him are out of their loony liberal minds.

Obvious Li thinks it should be $15/hour!

Quote from: "Renee"Romero thinks working at McDonalds should be a career. He thinks that people should be paid 10 dollars and hour to start for flipping a burger or scooping up fries. He and everyone like him are out of their loony liberal minds. Fast food workers in the US need to be paid what their jobs are worth not what other countries THINK they are worth.  Markets set wages and pushing wages beyond what the market will bear will have a direct impact on consumers AND low income workers. Business forced to pay too much for what they get in return from employees will either need to pass the increased costs on to consumer or cut staff. That means less jobs and higher prices. The higher prices will also have a direct impact on the poor because in many situations fast food is used as a main source of food supply for low income families.



Also what people like Romero fail to realize is that low income wage earners are not on average the family breadwinners. Their paychecks are generally not the primary income used to survive. So saying that minimum wage employees need higher pay so that they can survive and pay the household bills is for the most part bullshit. As I stated at the outset of this post, fast food jobs are NOT meant to be careers. They are starter jobs or stop gap measure jobs meant to be performed by teens, young adults and people looking for part time employment.



http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/mar/18/raising-minimum-wage-hurts-those-it-claims-to-help/

http://www.fee.org/the_freeman/detail/the-minimum-wage-good-intentions-bad-results#axzz2j9EgKkQ1

http://www.ncpa.org/sub/dpd/index.php?Article_ID=13974

http://www.policymic.com/articles/26956/obama-s-9-minimum-wage-increase-would-seriously-harm-poor-people-s-chances-of-getting-a-job



In reality this whole minimum wage flap in the US is just another smoke screen created by the left to distract the voting public from the calculated and planned fuck-up that is the Obama Presidency. The Obamacare rollout is an unmitigated disaster. We are 29 days into open enrollment and to date the enrollment website is so technologically screwed that it can't even be accessed in most states. If this Obamacare turd ever gets off the ground 10 million of the estimated 14 million Americans who are self-insured are expected to lose their current affordable healthcare benefits and it is all because their current policies do not meet the Obamascare requirements. An estimated 1 million have already received cancelation notices ending their current "affordable" healthcare programs.  In contrast the corresponding Obamascare plan will cost many policy holders 2 and in some case 3 times what they are or were currently paying in premiums.  So much for the claimed affordability and so much for the bald faced LIE that Odumbo told the American people about being able to KEEP their existing healthcare if they so wished. This whole Obamacare thing is a travesty, a fraud perpetrated on the American people by a Marxist ideologue so that the far left radicals can seize complete control of the healthcare industry in the US. It is just another far left redistribution of wealth scheme that radical leftwing politicians have hung their hats upon for 100 years.  Unfortunately this is probably the biggest and by far the most onerous and destructive far left scam since the expansion of welfare in the 1960s.



http://www.newser.com/story/176653/under-obamacare-millions-must-change-policies.html

Quote from: "Romero"

Quote from: "Renee"Romero thinks working at McDonalds should be a career.

No, but for millions of Americans a minimum wage job is all they can get.

Quote from: "Renee"He thinks that people should be paid 10 dollars and hour to start for flipping a burger or scooping up fries.

They are paid $10/hour to start for flipping a burger or scooping up fries - in Canada and other countries with better economies and standards of living. You already lost the argument years ago. Your economy sucks and millions have been sent into poverty. Fifty million Americans can't even afford to feed themselves and their families.



If the cost of living keeps going up and wages don't, how are people going to be able to afford housing, food, clothes, transportation and education? The US is becoming more like a Third World country every day.



Two thirds of American minimum wagers are adults and one third are adults with at least one child. There aren't any decent jobs any more, thanks to the same people who thought a crappy minimum wage was a good idea.



What's with the Obamacare conspiracy theory? The left has been arguing for a higher minimum wage years and years before Obamacare. There have been some hiccups, but don't believe the lies you're being fed. Obamacare is going to finally provide health care for millions of Americans. Something else enjoyed in Canada and other more developed nations.

Quote from: "Renee"He and everyone like him are out of their loony liberal minds.

Obvious Li thinks it should be $15/hour!

Quote from: "Shen Li"You are not a US citizen so I do not understand why you give a flying fuck how much kiddy jobs pay South of the border. If grown men and women choose to stay in loser jobs permanently it is none of our business. What a bizarre thing to concern yourself with.

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Quote from: "Shen Li"You are not a US citizen so I do not understand why you give a flying fuck how much kiddy jobs pay South of the border. If grown men and women choose to stay in loser jobs permanently it is none of our business. What a bizarre thing to concern yourself with.

Obvious Li started this thread. Is he a US citizen? You've discussed this issue. Are you a US citizen?



Renee has also said that I'm somehow not allowed to be concerned. Unfortunately I forgot to care and had a nice chuckle instead.



I'm concerned because millions of Americans are struggling and going hungry.



Is there any good reason why I'm not allowed to be concerned but everyone else is?

Quote from: "Romero"

Quote from: "Renee"Romero thinks working at McDonalds should be a career.

No, but for millions of Americans a minimum wage job is all they can get.

Quote from: "Renee"He thinks that people should be paid 10 dollars and hour to start for flipping a burger or scooping up fries.

They are paid $10/hour to start for flipping a burger or scooping up fries - in Canada and other countries with better economies and standards of living. You already lost the argument years ago. Your economy sucks and millions have been sent into poverty. Fifty million Americans can't even afford to feed themselves and their families.



If the cost of living keeps going up and wages don't, how are people going to be able to afford housing, food, clothes, transportation and education? The US is becoming more like a Third World country every day.



Two thirds of American minimum wagers are adults and one third are adults with at least one child. There aren't any decent jobs any more, thanks to the same people who thought a crappy minimum wage was a good idea.



What's with the Obamacare conspiracy theory? The left has been arguing for a higher minimum wage years and years before Obamacare. There have been some hiccups, but don't believe the lies you're being fed. Obamacare is going to finally provide health care for millions of Americans. Something else enjoyed in Canada and other more developed nations.

Quote from: "Renee"He and everyone like him are out of their loony liberal minds.

Obvious Li thinks it should be $15/hour!

Quote from: "Shen Li"Obvious Li lived in the USA and I am only responding to it.

Quote from: "Romero"

Quote from: "Shen Li"Obvious Li lived in the USA and I am only responding to it.

So am I!

Quote from: "Shen Li"

Quote from: "Renee"Romero thinks working at McDonalds should be a career. He thinks that people should be paid 10 dollars and hour to start for flipping a burger or scooping up fries. He and everyone like him are out of their loony liberal minds. Fast food workers in the US need to be paid what their jobs are worth not what other countries THINK they are worth.  Markets set wages and pushing wages beyond what the market will bear will have a direct impact on consumers AND low income workers. Business forced to pay too much for what they get in return from employees will either need to pass the increased costs on to consumer or cut staff. That means less jobs and higher prices. The higher prices will also have a direct impact on the poor because in many situations fast food is used as a main source of food supply for low income families.



Also what people like Romero fail to realize is that low income wage earners are not on average the family breadwinners. Their paychecks are generally not the primary income used to survive. So saying that minimum wage employees need higher pay so that they can survive and pay the household bills is for the most part bullshit. As I stated at the outset of this post, fast food jobs are NOT meant to be careers. They are starter jobs or stop gap measure jobs meant to be performed by teens, young adults and people looking for part time employment.



http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/mar/18/raising-minimum-wage-hurts-those-it-claims-to-help/

http://www.fee.org/the_freeman/detail/the-minimum-wage-good-intentions-bad-results#axzz2j9EgKkQ1

http://www.ncpa.org/sub/dpd/index.php?Article_ID=13974

http://www.policymic.com/articles/26956/obama-s-9-minimum-wage-increase-would-seriously-harm-poor-people-s-chances-of-getting-a-job



In reality this whole minimum wage flap in the US is just another smoke screen created by the left to distract the voting public from the calculated and planned fuck-up that is the Obama Presidency. The Obamacare rollout is an unmitigated disaster. We are 29 days into open enrollment and to date the enrollment website is so technologically screwed that it can't even be accessed in most states. If this Obamacare turd ever gets off the ground 10 million of the estimated 14 million Americans who are self-insured are expected to lose their current affordable healthcare benefits and it is all because their current policies do not meet the Obamascare requirements. An estimated 1 million have already received cancelation notices ending their current "affordable" healthcare programs.  In contrast the corresponding Obamascare plan will cost many policy holders 2 and in some case 3 times what they are or were currently paying in premiums.  So much for the claimed affordability and so much for the bald faced LIE that Odumbo told the American people about being able to KEEP their existing healthcare if they so wished. This whole Obamacare thing is a travesty, a fraud perpetrated on the American people by a Marxist ideologue so that the far left radicals can seize complete control of the healthcare industry in the US. It is just another far left redistribution of wealth scheme that radical leftwing politicians have hung their hats upon for 100 years.  Unfortunately this is probably the biggest and by far the most onerous and destructive far left scam since the expansion of welfare in the 1960s.



http://www.newser.com/story/176653/under-obamacare-millions-must-change-policies.html

Parts in bold are spot on Renee. Higher minimum wages in the end really help nobody.

Quote from: "Renee"

Quote from: "Shen Li"

Quote from: "Renee"Romero thinks working at McDonalds should be a career. He thinks that people should be paid 10 dollars and hour to start for flipping a burger or scooping up fries. He and everyone like him are out of their loony liberal minds. Fast food workers in the US need to be paid what their jobs are worth not what other countries THINK they are worth.  Markets set wages and pushing wages beyond what the market will bear will have a direct impact on consumers AND low income workers. Business forced to pay too much for what they get in return from employees will either need to pass the increased costs on to consumer or cut staff. That means less jobs and higher prices. The higher prices will also have a direct impact on the poor because in many situations fast food is used as a main source of food supply for low income families.



Also what people like Romero fail to realize is that low income wage earners are not on average the family breadwinners. Their paychecks are generally not the primary income used to survive. So saying that minimum wage employees need higher pay so that they can survive and pay the household bills is for the most part bullshit. As I stated at the outset of this post, fast food jobs are NOT meant to be careers. They are starter jobs or stop gap measure jobs meant to be performed by teens, young adults and people looking for part time employment.



http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/mar/18/raising-minimum-wage-hurts-those-it-claims-to-help/

http://www.fee.org/the_freeman/detail/the-minimum-wage-good-intentions-bad-results#axzz2j9EgKkQ1

http://www.ncpa.org/sub/dpd/index.php?Article_ID=13974

http://www.policymic.com/articles/26956/obama-s-9-minimum-wage-increase-would-seriously-harm-poor-people-s-chances-of-getting-a-job



In reality this whole minimum wage flap in the US is just another smoke screen created by the left to distract the voting public from the calculated and planned fuck-up that is the Obama Presidency. The Obamacare rollout is an unmitigated disaster. We are 29 days into open enrollment and to date the enrollment website is so technologically screwed that it can't even be accessed in most states. If this Obamacare turd ever gets off the ground 10 million of the estimated 14 million Americans who are self-insured are expected to lose their current affordable healthcare benefits and it is all because their current policies do not meet the Obamascare requirements. An estimated 1 million have already received cancelation notices ending their current "affordable" healthcare programs.  In contrast the corresponding Obamascare plan will cost many policy holders 2 and in some case 3 times what they are or were currently paying in premiums.  So much for the claimed affordability and so much for the bald faced LIE that Odumbo told the American people about being able to KEEP their existing healthcare if they so wished. This whole Obamacare thing is a travesty, a fraud perpetrated on the American people by a Marxist ideologue so that the far left radicals can seize complete control of the healthcare industry in the US. It is just another far left redistribution of wealth scheme that radical leftwing politicians have hung their hats upon for 100 years.  Unfortunately this is probably the biggest and by far the most onerous and destructive far left scam since the expansion of welfare in the 1960s.



http://www.newser.com/story/176653/under-obamacare-millions-must-change-policies.html

Parts in bold are spot on Renee. Higher minimum wages in the end really help nobody.

Of course it helps no one and if you take government mandated wages to their logical conclusion you end up with a collapsed economy. To the liberals it is more compassionate and fairer to raise the minimum wage to unrealistically high levels. Their way of thinking is thus; IF $9.50 an hour is good then $12 or $15 or even $20 dollars an hour is even better. Better of the unskilled entry level worker but most of all better for the government by way of increased payroll taxes paid by both employee and employer. In the end it's all about how much they can glom on to and what schemes they can come up with to make it happen. Liberal politicians aren't as ignorant of how the economy works as we think they are; they are just as scheming, conniving and manipulating as corporate conservatives are; they just do it differently because their political ideology is different.

Quote from: "Shen Li"

Quote from: "Renee"

Quote from: "Shen Li"
Parts in bold are spot on Renee. Higher minimum wages in the end really help nobody.

Of course it helps no one and if you take government mandated wages to their logical conclusion you end up with a collapsed economy. To the liberals it is more compassionate and fairer to raise the minimum wage to unrealistically high levels. Their way of thinking is thus; IF $9.50 an hour is good then $12 or $15 or even $20 dollars an hour is even better. Better of the unskilled entry level worker but most of all better for the government by way of increased payroll taxes paid by both employee and employer. In the end it's all about how much they can glom on to and what schemes they can come up with to make it happen. Liberal politicians aren't as ignorant of how the economy works as we think they are; they are just as scheming, conniving and manipulating as corporate conservatives are; they just do it differently because their political ideology is different.

No they are much, much worse. Big companies pay wages, taxes and are philanthropic. Big greedy government, big greedy labour and big greedy NGO's take, take, take and give fuck all in return.

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Quote from: "Shen Li"

Quote from: "Renee"


Of course it helps no one and if you take government mandated wages to their logical conclusion you end up with a collapsed economy. To the liberals it is more compassionate and fairer to raise the minimum wage to unrealistically high levels. Their way of thinking is thus; IF $9.50 an hour is good then $12 or $15 or even $20 dollars an hour is even better. Better of the unskilled entry level worker but most of all better for the government by way of increased payroll taxes paid by both employee and employer. In the end it's all about how much they can glom on to and what schemes they can come up with to make it happen. Liberal politicians aren't as ignorant of how the economy works as we think they are; they are just as scheming, conniving and manipulating as corporate conservatives are; they just do it differently because their political ideology is different.

No they are much, much worse. Big companies pay wages, taxes and are philanthropic. Big greedy government, big greedy labour and big greedy NGO's take, take, take and give fuck all in return.

You are right they are much worse because they lie directly to your face and make false claims that they are looking out for those who can't look out for themselves. The greater good and fairness for all and all that horseshit. Fucking two bit con men and thieves is all they really are.

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Quote from: "Shen Li"Obvious Li lived in the USA and I am only responding to it.

So am I!

You are the one NOT OL that is harping on and on and on about something nobody gives a shit about...restaurant wages in a foreign country.

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Quote from: "Shen Li"

Quote from: "Romero"
So am I!

You are the one NOT OL that is harping on and on and on about something nobody gives a shit about...restaurant wages in a foreign country.

Shen, they are not even "restaurant wages" they are burger flipper wages, shopping cart collector wages, dog walker and migrant lettuce picker wages. My oldest daughter who is a senior in HS this year works part time for a major big box store and even she makes more than the minimum wage. Romero is talking out of his ass as usual.  



Who the fuck is he kidding? It's a known fact from the US dept. of commerce that less than 4% of low income workers making minimum wage are actually primary breadwinners.

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Quote from: "Renee"

Quote from: "Shen Li"
You are the one NOT OL that is harping on and on and on about something nobody gives a shit about...restaurant wages in a foreign country.

Shen, they are not even "restaurant wages" they are burger flipper wages, shopping cart collector wages, dog walker and migrant lettuce picker wages. My oldest daughter who is a senior in HS this year works part time for a major big box store and even she makes more than the minimum wage. Romero is talking out of his ass as usual.  



Who the fuck is he kidding? It's a known fact from the US dept. of commerce that less than 4% of low income workers making minimum wage are actually primary breadwinners.

I was just using that as a talking point. I know first hand you are right Renee. I had a minimum wage job at a Dairy Queen when I was 16. There were NO primary breadwinners working there other than the franchisee.

QuoteYou've got to feel for McDonald's. Every time the misunderstood corporation tries to offer its low-wage employees a hand, it backfires. First the fast food giant was ridiculed this past summer for dispensing helpful budgetary advice to its struggling workers (get another job). Now the company is in hot water again after a recorded call to its McResource helpline, in which an employee who reported not being able to make ends meet was advised to sign up for food stamps and other government assistance programs, went viral online. Strangely though, the very people who ought to be most upset about this state of affairs – small government loving Republicans who don't want anyone relying on federal assistance for anything – have raised little or no objection.



It seems to me that when Republicans are so vocal about how much they hate government programs like food stamps and Medicaid and indeed anything that makes life a little more feasible for low-income or no-income Americans, they should surely be able to work up a small sweat at such a blatant example of the system being gamed. Just last month congressional Republicans voted unanimously to cut $39bn from the food stamp program, and I surely don't have to waste words here outlining their opposition to any form of government subsidized healthcare. Why then, when they have made their objection to welfare programs abundantly clear are they seemingly okay with hugely profitable corporations exploiting these programs while they underpay their workers?



McDonald's 2012 annual report was a glowing affair – in which the company enthusiastically announced a 3.1% growth in global sales, a 5% earnings per share growth, worldwide expansion plans and billions in profit. Does a company this healthy really need federally funded public assistance programs to stay in business?



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