Edmonton city council is more concerned about offending a few extremists than misogyny and murder of women in the name of Allah. I wonder of they would take the same action about ads about extremists who shoot abortion doctors. :?
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The ad, paid for by the American Freedom Defense Initiative and Stop Islam of America, asks Muslim women: "Is your family threatening you? Is there a Fatwa on Your Head?"
A smaller line above the questions and below a photo of seven young women, some wearing hijabs, says: "Muslim Girls Honor (sp.) Killed by Their Families."
Complaints about the ads — there were a total of five, each worth $500 — prompted Coun. Amarjeet Sohi to order officials to take down the signs, immediately.
Sohi said he was "deeply disappointed" when he first found out about the signs "that don't belong on city property."
"These ad targeted one particular group," said Sohi.
"Honour killings is a very serious concern in every community and we need to speak up against it, but targeting one particular group, and singling out one particular group, does not help resolve it.
"The organizations behind these ads are known for anti-Islamic rhetoric. They always look for opportunities to demean and degrade people of Islamic faith."
Cheryl Oxford, a city spokeswoman, says workers took down the five bus ads Tuesday morning "immediately" after receiving a "handful of complaints" on Monday.
"(The complaints) warranted us to pull the ads and request further review by the Advertising Standards Canada," said Oxford.
The city signed a contract with Pattison Outdoor, which is responsible for approving and selling advertising on city buses and LRT, added Oxford.
Scott Gibb, an Edmonton sales director with Pattison Outdoor, says each ad needs the identities of "those who are paying for the ads," along with having a "point of contact" for people identified on the ad.
A "process" in how ads are reviewed is underway, said Gibb, adding that the U.S.-based groups paid $500 for each sign. That review will also determine whether or not a refund will be made, he said.
"In light of this incident we are going to re-evaluate," said Gibb.
Zeb Qureshi, a 32-year-old transit user, was relieved after hearing city staff pulled the ads. He was one of those who filed a complaint with the city. "I was really surprised to see the ads here," said Qureshi, adding such hateful anti-Islamic messages are usually found in the United States.
"I was shocked — that was my initial reaction. It's nice to know city officials have your back and that they are willing to take down ads that are hateful."
Sohi says "mistakes were made" when the "unacceptable" ads were first posted.
"I would speak out against any discriminatory message against any particular group," said Sohi.
"Targeting one particular group is unacceptable."
http://www.edmontonsun.com/2013/10/29/anti-islamic-ads-yanked-from-city-of-edmonton-buses
That's right, the council also wouldn't allow ads targeting any other religious group.
"Paid for by Stop Islam of America". So it's not about honour killings. It's about attacking Muslims. Imagine if the organization was called "Stop Christianity" or "Stop Judaism".
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"Paid for by Stop Islam of America". So it's not about honour killings. It's about attacking Muslims. Imagine if the organization was called "Stop Christianity" or "Stop Judaism".
When Jews, Xtians or Buddhists start slaughtering young girls in the name of Allah, [size=200]I[/size] will decorate bus stops with ads attacking such barbaric practices.
There are honour killings among other religions.
Quran- 4:15 states that a "lewd" woman is to be put under house arrest till death, if she's caught committing a "lewd" act by 4 witnesses.
Islam is a violent, mysogynistic, homophobic ideology on par with Nazism. Followers of such that hateful drivel should be denied entry into Canada.
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Quran (2:216) - "Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not." Not only does this verse establish that violence can be virtuous, but it also contradicts the myth that fighting is intended only in self-defense, since the audience was obviously not under attack at the time. From the Hadith, we know that this verse was narrated at a time that Muhammad was actually trying to motivate his people into raiding merchant caravans for loot.
Quran (3:56) - "As to those who reject faith, I will punish them with terrible agony in this world and in the Hereafter, nor will they have anyone to help."
Quran (3:151) - "Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority". This speaks directly of polytheists, yet it also includes Christians, since they believe in the Trinity (ie. what Muhammad incorrectly believed to be 'joining companions to Allah').
Quran (4:74) - "Let those fight in the way of Allah who sell the life of this world for the other. Whoso fighteth in the way of Allah, be he slain or be he victorious, on him We shall bestow a vast reward." The martyrs of Islam are unlike the early Christians, led meekly to the slaughter. These Muslims are killed in battle, as they attempt to inflict death and destruction for the cause of Allah. Here is the theological basis for today's suicide bombers.
Quran (4:76) - "Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah..."
Quran (4:89) - "They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks."
Quran (4:95) - "Not equal are those believers who sit (at home) and receive no hurt, and those who strive and fight in the cause of Allah with their goods and their persons. Allah hath granted a grade higher to those who strive and fight with their goods and persons than to those who sit (at home). Unto all (in Faith) Hath Allah promised good: But those who strive and fight Hath He distinguished above those who sit (at home) by a special reward,-" This passage criticizes "peaceful" Muslims who do not join in the violence, letting them know that they are less worthy in Allah's eyes. It also demolishes the modern myth that "Jihad" doesn't mean holy war in the Quran, but rather a spiritual struggle. Not only is the Arabic word used in this passage, but it is clearly not referring to anything spiritual, since the physically disabled are given exemption. (The Hadith reveals the context of the passage to be in response to a blind man's protest that he is unable to engage in Jihad and this is reflected in other translations of the verse).
Quran (4:104) - "And be not weak hearted in pursuit of the enemy; if you suffer pain, then surely they (too) suffer pain as you suffer pain..." Is pursuing an injured and retreating enemy really an act of self-defense?
Quran (5:33) - "The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement"
Quran (8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them" No reasonable person would interpret this to mean a spiritual struggle.
Quran (8:15) - "O ye who believe! When ye meet those who disbelieve in battle, turn not your backs to them. (16)Whoso on that day turneth his back to them, unless maneuvering for battle or intent to join a company, he truly hath incurred wrath from Allah, and his habitation will be hell, a hapless journey's end."
Quran (8:39) - "And fight with them until there is no more fitna (disorder, unbelief) and religion should be only for Allah" Some translations interpret "fitna" as "persecution", but the traditional understanding of this word is not supported by the historical context (See notes for 2:293, also). The Meccans were simply refusing Muhammad access to their city during Haj. Other Muslims were allowed to travel there - just not as an armed group, since Muhammad had declared war on Mecca prior to his eviction. The Meccans were also acting in defense of their religion, since it was Muhammad's intention to destroy their idols and establish Islam by force (which he later did). Hence the critical part of this verse is to fight until "religion is only for Allah", meaning that the true justification of violence was the unbelief of the opposition. According to the Sira (Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 324) Muhammad further explains that "Allah must have no rivals."
Quran (8:57) - "If thou comest on them in the war, deal with them so as to strike fear in those who are behind them, that haply they may remember."
Quran (8:59-60) - "And let not those who disbelieve suppose that they can outstrip (Allah's Purpose). Lo! they cannot escape. Make ready for them all thou canst of (armed) force and of horses tethered, that thereby ye may dismay the enemy of Allah and your enemy."
Quran (8:65) - "O Prophet, exhort the believers to fight..."
Quran (9:5) - "So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captive and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them." According to this verse, the best way of staying safe from Muslim violence is to convert to Islam (prayer (salat) and the poor tax (zakat) are among the religion's Five Pillars). This popular claim that the Quran only inspires violence within the context of self-defense is seriously challenged by this passage as well, since the Muslims to whom it was written were obviously not under attack. Had they been, then there would have been no waiting period (earlier verses make it a duty for Muslims to fight in self-defense, even during the sacred months). The historical context is Mecca after the idolaters were subjugated by Muhammad and posed no threat. Once the Muslims had the power, they violently evicted those unbelievers who would not convert.
Quran (9:14) - "Fight them, Allah will punish them by your hands and bring them to disgrace..."
Quran (9:20) - "Those who believe, and have left their homes and striven with their wealth and their lives in Allah's way are of much greater worth in Allah's sight. These are they who are triumphant." The Arabic word interpreted as "striving" in this verse is the same root as "Jihad". The context is obviously holy war.
Quran (9:29) - "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued." "People of the Book" refers to Christians and Jews. According to this verse, they are to be violently subjugated, with the sole justification being their religious status. This was one of the final "revelations" from Allah and it set in motion the tenacious military expansion, in which Muhammad's companions managed to conquer two-thirds of the Christian world in the next 100 years. Islam is intended to dominate all other people and faiths.
Quran (9:30) - "And the Jews say: Ezra is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away!"
Quran (9:38-39) - "O ye who believe! what is the matter with you, that, when ye are asked to go forth in the cause of Allah, ye cling heavily to the earth? Do ye prefer the life of this world to the Hereafter? But little is the comfort of this life, as compared with the Hereafter. Unless ye go forth, He will punish you with a grievous penalty, and put others in your place." This is a warning to those who refuse to fight, that they will be punished with Hell.
Quran (9:41) - "Go forth, light-armed and heavy-armed, and strive with your wealth and your lives in the way of Allah! That is best for you if ye but knew." See also the verse that follows (9:42) - "If there had been immediate gain (in sight), and the journey easy, they would (all) without doubt have followed thee, but the distance was long, (and weighed) on them" This contradicts the myth that Muslims are to fight only in self-defense, since the wording implies that battle will be waged a long distance from home (in another country and on Christian soil, in this case, according to the historians).
Quran (9:73) - "O Prophet! strive hard against the unbelievers and the hypocrites and be unyielding to them; and their abode is hell, and evil is the destination." Dehumanizing those who reject Islam, by reminding Muslims that they are merely firewood for Hell, makes it easier to justify slaughter. It also explains why today's devout Muslims have little regard for those outside the faith.
Quran (9:88) - "But the Messenger, and those who believe with him, strive and fight with their wealth and their persons: for them are (all) good things: and it is they who will prosper."
Quran (9:111) - "Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain: a promise binding on Him in truth, through the Law, the Gospel, and the Quran: and who is more faithful to his covenant than Allah? then rejoice in the bargain which ye have concluded: that is the achievement supreme."
Quran (9:123) - "O you who believe! fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness."
Quran (17:16) - "And when We wish to destroy a town, We send Our commandment to the people of it who lead easy lives, but they transgress therein; thus the word proves true against it, so We destroy it with utter destruction." Note that the crime is moral transgression, and the punishment is "utter destruction." (Before ordering the 9/11 attacks, Osama bin Laden first issued Americans an invitation to Islam).
Quran (18:65-81) - This parable lays the theological groundwork for honor killings, in which a family member is murdered because they brought shame to the family, either through apostasy or perceived moral indiscretion. The story (which is not found in any Jewish or Christian source) tells of Moses encountering a man with "special knowledge" who does things which don't seem to make sense on the surface, but are then justified according to later explanation. One such action is to murder a youth for no apparent reason (74). However, the wise man later explains that it was feared that the boy would "grieve" his parents by "disobedience and ingratitude." He was killed so that Allah could provide them a 'better' son. (Note: This is one reason why honor killing is sanctioned by Sharia. Reliance of the Traveler (Umdat al-Saliq) says that punishment for murder is not applicable when a parent or grandparent kills their offspring (o.1.1-2).)
Quran (21:44) - "We gave the good things of this life to these men and their fathers until the period grew long for them; See they not that We gradually reduce the land (in their control) from its outlying borders? Is it then they who will win?"
Quran (25:52) - "Therefore listen not to the Unbelievers, but strive against them with the utmost strenuousness..." "Strive against" is Jihad - obviously not in the personal context. It's also significant to point out that this is a Meccan verse.
Quran (33:60-62) - "If the hypocrites, and those in whose hearts is a disease, and the alarmists in the city do not cease, We verily shall urge thee on against them, then they will be your neighbors in it but a little while. Accursed, they will be seized wherever found and slain with a (fierce) slaughter." This passage sanctions the slaughter (rendered "merciless" and "horrible murder" in other translations) against three groups: Hypocrites (Muslims who refuse to "fight in the way of Allah" (3:167) and hence don't act as Muslims should), those with "diseased hearts" (which include Jews and Christians 5:51-52), and "alarmists" or "agitators who include those who merely speak out against Islam, according to Muhammad's biographers. It is worth noting that the victims are to be sought out by Muslims, which is what today's terrorists do. If this passage is meant merely to apply to the city of Medina, then it is unclear why it is included in Allah's eternal word to Muslim generations.
Quran (47:3-4) - "Those who reject Allah follow vanities, while those who believe follow the truth from their lord. Thus does Allah set forth form men their lessons by similitude. Therefore when you meet in battle those who disbelieve, then smite the necks until when you have overcome them, then make (them) prisoners," Those who reject Allah are to be subdued in battle. The verse goes on to say the only reason Allah doesn't do the dirty work himself is in order to to test the faithfulness of Muslims. Those who kill pass the test. "But if it had been Allah's Will, He could certainly have exacted retribution from them (Himself); but (He lets you fight) in order to test you, some with others. But those who are slain in the Way of Allah,- He will never let their deeds be lost."
Quran (47:35) - "Be not weary and faint-hearted, crying for peace, when ye should be uppermost (Shakir: "have the upper hand") for Allah is with you,"
Quran (48:17) - "There is no blame for the blind, nor is there blame for the lame, nor is there blame for the sick (that they go not forth to war). And whoso obeyeth Allah and His messenger, He will make him enter Gardens underneath which rivers flow; and whoso turneth back, him will He punish with a painful doom." Contemporary apologists sometimes claim that Jihad means 'spiritual struggle.' Is so, then why are the blind, lame and sick exempted? This verse also says that those who do not fight will suffer torment in hell.
Quran (48:29) - "Muhammad is the messenger of Allah. And those with him are hard (ruthless) against the disbelievers and merciful among themselves" Islam is not about treating everyone equally. There are two very distinct standards that are applied based on religious status. Also the word used for 'hard' or 'ruthless' in this verse shares the same root as the word translated as 'painful' or severe' in verse 16.
Quran (61:4) - "Surely Allah loves those who fight in His way" Religion of Peace, indeed! The verse explicitly refers to "battle array" meaning that it is speaking of physical conflict. This is followed by (61:9): "He it is who has sent His Messenger (Mohammed) with guidance and the religion of truth (Islam) to make it victorious over all religions even though the infidels may resist." (See next verse, below). Infidels who resist Islamic rule are to be fought.
Quran (61:10-12) - "O You who believe! Shall I guide you to a commerce that will save you from a painful torment. That you believe in Allah and His Messenger (Muhammad ), and that you strive hard and fight in the Cause of Allah with your wealth and your lives, that will be better for you, if you but know! (If you do so) He will forgive you your sins, and admit you into Gardens under which rivers flow, and pleasant dwelling in Gardens of 'Adn - Eternity ['Adn (Edn) Paradise], that is indeed the great success." This verse refers to physical battle in order to make Islam victorious over other religions (see above). It uses the Arabic word, Jihad.
Quran (66:9) - "O Prophet! Strive against the disbelievers and the hypocrites, and be stern with them. Hell will be their home, a hapless journey's end." The root word of "Jihad" is used again here. The context is clearly holy war, and the scope of violence is broadened to include "hypocrites" - those who call themselves Muslims but do not act as such.
From the Hadith:
Bukhari (52:177) - Allah's Apostle said, "The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. "O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him."
Bukhari (52:256) - The Prophet... was asked whether it was permissible to attack the pagan warriors at night with the probability of exposing their women and children to danger. The Prophet replied, "They (i.e. women and children) are from them (i.e. pagans)." In this command, Muhammad establishes that it is permissible to kill non-combatants in the process of killing a perceived enemy. This provides justification for the many Islamic terror bombings.
Bukhari (52:65) - The Prophet said, 'He who fights that Allah's Word, Islam, should be superior, fights in Allah's Cause. Muhammad's words are the basis for offensive Jihad - spreading Islam by force. This is how it was understood by his companions, and by the terrorists of today.
Bukhari (52:220) - Allah's Apostle said... 'I have been made victorious with terror'
Abu Dawud (14:2526) - The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: Three things are the roots of faith: to refrain from (killing) a person who utters, "There is no god but Allah" and not to declare him unbeliever whatever sin he commits, and not to excommunicate him from Islam for his any action; and jihad will be performed continuously since the day Allah sent me as a prophet until the day the last member of my community will fight with the Dajjal (Antichrist)
Abu Dawud (14:2527) - The Prophet said: Striving in the path of Allah (jihad) is incumbent on you along with every ruler, whether he is pious or impious
Muslim (1:33) - the Messenger of Allah said: I have been commanded to fight against people till they testify that there is no god but Allah, that Muhammad is the messenger of Allah
Bukhari (8:387) - Allah's Apostle said, "I have been ordered to fight the people till they say: 'None has the right to be worshipped but Allah'. And if they say so, pray like our prayers, face our Qibla and slaughter as we slaughter, then their blood and property will be sacred to us and we will not interfere with them except legally."
Muslim (1:30) - "The Messenger of Allah said: I have been commanded to fight against people so long as they do not declare that there is no god but Allah."
Bukhari (11:626) - [Muhammad said:] "I decided to order a man to lead the prayer and then take a flame to burn all those, who had not left their houses for the prayer, burning them alive inside their homes."
Muslim (1:149) - "Abu Dharr reported: I said: Messenger of Allah, which of the deeds is the best? He (the Holy Prophet) replied: Belief in Allah and Jihad in His cause..."
Muslim (20:4645) - "...He (the Messenger of Allah) did that and said: There is another act which elevates the position of a man in Paradise to a grade one hundred (higher), and the elevation between one grade and the other is equal to the height of the heaven from the earth. He (Abu Sa'id) said: What is that act? He replied: Jihad in the way of Allah! Jihad in the way of Allah!"
Muslim (20:4696) - "the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said: 'One who died but did not fight in the way of Allah nor did he express any desire (or determination) for Jihad died the death of a hypocrite.'"
Muslim (19:4321-4323) - Three separate hadith in which Muhammad shrugs over the news that innocent children were killed in a raid by his men against unbelievers. His response: "They are of them (meaning the enemy)."
Muslim (19:4294) - "When the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) appointed anyone as leader of an army or detachment he would especially exhort him... He would say: Fight in the name of Allah and in the way of Allah. Fight against those who disbelieve in Allah. Make a holy war... When you meet your enemies who are polytheists, invite them to three courses of action. If they respond to any one of these, you also accept it and withhold yourself from doing them any harm. Invite them to (accept) Islam; if they respond to you, accept it from them and desist from fighting against them... If they refuse to accept Islam, demand from them the Jizya. If they agree to pay, accept it from them and hold off your hands. If they refuse to pay the tax, seek Allah's help and fight them.
Tabari 7:97 The morning after the murder of Ashraf, the Prophet declared, "Kill any Jew who falls under your power." Ashraf was a poet, killed by Muhammad's men because he insulted Islam. Here, Muhammad widens the scope of his orders to kill. An innocent Jewish businessman was then slain by his Muslim partner, merely for being non-Muslim.
Tabari 9:69 "Killing Unbelievers is a small matter to us" The words of Muhammad, prophet of Islam.
Tabari 17:187 "'By God, our religion (din) from which we have departed is better and more correct than that which these people follow. Their religion does not stop them from shedding blood, terrifying the roads, and seizing properties.' And they returned to their former religion." The words of a group of Christians who had converted to Islam, but realized their error after being shocked by the violence and looting committed in the name of Allah. The price of their decision to return to a religion of peace was that the men were beheaded and the woman and children enslaved by the caliph Ali.
Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 327: - "Allah said, 'A prophet must slaughter before collecting captives. A slaughtered enemy is driven from the land. Muhammad, you craved the desires of this world, its goods and the ransom captives would bring. But Allah desires killing them to manifest the religion.'"
Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 990: - Lest anyone think that cutting off someone's head while screaming 'Allah Akbar!' is a modern creation, here is an account of that very practice under Muhammad, who seems to approve.
Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 992: - "Fight everyone in the way of Allah and kill those who disbelieve in Allah." Muhammad's instructions to his men prior to a military raid.
Wiki is not my favorite source, but others including Middle East Organizations provide similar results
Statistics on honor related violence and honor killing are difficult to obtain and are inaccurate due to the under-reporting of such incidents from victims and family members. The statistics provided below are based on available data:
Worldwide:
** Many women's groups in the Middle East and South-west Asia suspect the victims are at least four times the United Nations' latest world figure of around 5,000 deaths a year.[1] **
Although Sikhs and Hindus do sometimes commit such murders, honor killings, both worldwide and in the West, are mainly Muslim-on-Muslim crimes.
In this [2010] study,
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Statistics on honor related violence and honor killing are difficult to obtain and are inaccurate due to the under-reporting of such incidents from victims and family members. The statistics provided below are based on available data:
Worldwide:
** Many women's groups in the Middle East and South-west Asia suspect the victims are at least four times the United Nations' latest world figure of around 5,000 deaths a year.[1] **
Although Sikhs and Hindus do sometimes commit such murders, honor killings, both worldwide and in the West, are mainly Muslim-on-Muslim crimes.
In this [2010] study,
What a barbaric practice by a hideous hateful ideology.
Quite a challenge for those defending the Religion of Misogyny, ain't it?
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How could anyone seriously defend something so violent, homophobic and mysogynistic? Might as well defend Nazism too? Both those bigoted ideologies belong in the dumpster of history.
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Statistics on honor related violence and honor killing are difficult to obtain and are inaccurate due to the under-reporting of such incidents from victims and family members. The statistics provided below are based on available data:
Worldwide:
** Many women's groups in the Middle East and South-west Asia suspect the victims are at least four times the United Nations' latest world figure of around 5,000 deaths a year.[1] **
Although Sikhs and Hindus do sometimes commit such murders, honor killings, both worldwide and in the West, are mainly Muslim-on-Muslim crimes.
In this [2010] study,
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How could anyone seriously defend something
Querky - Over to you
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Muslims are good people.
YAWN!!!
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YUP!!!!
Where's our resident Dumpster Diver when they need him?
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worldwide, 91 percent of perpetrators were Muslims.
in Europe, Muslims comprised an even larger majority at 96 percent
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How could anyone seriously defend something so violent, homophobic and mysogynistic? Might as well defend Nazism too? Both those bigoted ideologies belong in the dumpster of history.
Not to make light of this but at least if a woman has a Nazi for a husband or a father, she can still drive a car without worrying about being buried up to her neck and stoned to death.
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How could anyone seriously defend something so violent, homophobic and mysogynistic? Might as well defend Nazism too? Both those bigoted ideologies belong in the dumpster of history.
Not to make light of this but at least if a woman has a Nazi for a husband or a father, she can still drive a car without worrying about being buried up to her neck and stoned to death.
They both hate Jews.
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I've always said that islam is a hideous ideology that far surpasses Nazism in many hideous ways ... and in overall terms
Say! Where is our Dumpster Diver to save islam?
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Say! Where is our Dumpster Diver to save islam?
They are both so unspeakably vile it is like saying where would you rather be shot, the head or the heart.
Anyway, Romero told me to tell all of you that
Leaving individual people out of it a moment, the supremacist misogynist ideology of islam surpasses the ideology of Nazism for hideous
The Q'omic Book and the other 2 they follow surpass Mein Kampf for violence and hate .... islam promotes hate of ALL non islamics and even of black islamics
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Yep, when it comes to women and homos. Nazi Germany had gays in high positions.
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worldwide, 91 percent of perpetrators were Muslims.
in Europe, Muslims comprised an even larger majority at 96 percent
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How could anyone seriously defend something so violent, homophobic and mysogynistic? Might as well defend Nazism too? Both those bigoted ideologies
Where's our Dumpster Diver ?
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worldwide, 91 percent of perpetrators were Muslims.
in Europe, Muslims comprised an even larger majority at 96 percent
Where's our Dumpster Diver ?
Don't worry he'll be here defending a vile ideology that commands he be killed. Just be patient cc.
Here he is now.
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Say! Where is our Dumpster Diver to save islam?
They are both so unspeakably vile it is like saying where would you rather be shot, the head or the heart.
Anyway, Romero told me to tell all of you that
That's right, most people are good people. I know Muslims are good people from cc herself.
Did you know that her head employee is a Muslim? She says he's a "good person, brilliant, very nice and highly ethical".
Isn't that right, cc? Your head employee is Islamic, isn't he?
lol
He just got a new name for me to use
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Dumpster Diver ...... also Dumpster Diver(ter) See its last post ... lol ^
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Say! Where is our Dumpster Diver to save islam?
They are both so unspeakably vile it is like saying where would you rather be shot, the head or the heart.
Anyway, Romero told me to tell all of you that
That's right, most people are good people. I know Muslims are good people from cc herself.
Did you know that her head employee is a Muslim? She says he's a "good person, brilliant, very nice and highly ethical".
Isn't that right, cc? Your head employee is Islamic, isn't he?
I don't think if it is possible to be a good person and be a fundamentalist Muslim anymore than I believe one can be both a good person and a Nazi.
cc says her head employee is Islamic. She wouldn't hire someone who's a misogynist honour killer, would she?
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That's right, most people are good people. I know Muslims are good people from cc herself.
Did you know that her head employee is a Muslim? She says he's a "good person, brilliant, very nice and highly ethical".
Isn't that right, cc? Your head employee is Islamic, isn't he?
I don't think if it is possible to be a good person and be a fundamentalist Muslim anymore than I believe one can be both a good person and a Nazi.
cc says her head employee is Islamic. She wouldn't hire someone who's a misogynist honour killer, would she?
Then he must not be a fundy. I know lots of Muslims too and they are fine, but they are SECULAR.
Yes. And according to the ideology itself, NOT islamics
Dumpster Diver(ter)
Hillarious
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worldwide,
in Europe, Muslims comprised an even larger majority at
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There's no such thing as a secular Muslim. They're all religious.
cc's head employee is Islamic. A Muslim who follows Islam and the Quran. Isn't that right, cc?
Nice of you to make cc look good / tolerant - thanks. Maybe you don't realize what you are actually achieving?
but
Address this of the ideology of hate, misogyny, & violence, Dumpster Diver(ter) Quote from: "(Dis)honor Killers"
worldwide,
in Europe, Muslims comprised an even larger majority at
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wassamatter Dumpster Diver? ....... arrow quiver empty now? Making cc look good all you have left?
Woman and girl killers not easy to defend, eh?
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cc's head employee is Islamic. A Muslim who follows Islam and the Quran. Isn't that right, cc?
Incorrect, author Salman Rushdie describes himself as a secular Muslim.
From wiki:
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Address this, Dumpster Diver(ter) Quote from: "(Dis)honor Killers"
worldwide,
in Europe, Muslims comprised an even larger majority at
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wassamatter laddy?
What about this employee of yours cc? Is he a fundy, nominal, what is he?
She's a little busy right now wishing she didn't tell everyone that her most trusted employee is Islamic.
Dumpster Diver(ter) / Wannabe Mind Reader - Actually you make me look very good. Thank you, whatever your misguided motive
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worldwide,
in Europe, Muslims comprised an even larger majority at
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wassamatter Dumpster Diver? ....... arrow quiver empty now? Making cc look good all you have left?
Woman and girl killers not easy to defend, eh?
I don't accept hate sites as sources. Honour killings are a problem worldwide and are performed by individuals, not religions.
Shen Li would like to hear more about your trusted Islamic head employee. Surely if Muslims were bad people, you wouldn't have hired one.
Yes you do. You quote from loaded hate sites all the time
Go ahead - Challenge this definitely NOT hate site on this - I'm awaiting counter data
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wassamatter Dumpster Diver? ....... arrow quiver empty now? Making cc look good all you have left?
Woman and girl killers not easy to defend, eh?
Relax; no doubt he is frantically searching the archives of the Huff and Puff for some grossly bias opinion piece that he will try to pass off as fact. This should be good, just let it unfold :lol:
I know. That's why I'm pressing him. It will be great fun watching him try to dig his way out of this hole ... using his loaded hate sires for .. err .. **material**, smirk
Comon Dumpster Diver(ter) - attempt to prove it wrong
We need more comedy here
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Comon Dumpster Diver(ter) - attempt to prove it wrong
We need more comedy here
If Muslims were more likely to be misogynist honour killers, you wouldn't have hired one as your head employee.
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worldwide, 91 percent of perpetrators were Muslims.
in Europe, Muslims comprised an even larger majority at 96 percent
You are not looking good avoiding it, Dumpster Diver(ter) -
Comon!! Save islam from itself for all of us to see
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Go ahead - Challenge this definitely NOT hate site on this - I'm awaiting counter data
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I believe that the vast majority of honour killings are done in the name of Islam. I guess you could say I was born a Buddhist, but I haven't heard of many girls slaughtered in the name of Buddha.
BTW, can you tell me about this Muslim employee of yours?
Not a lot to tell actually. May pm you - Will not let Dumpster Diver(ter) attempt to divert away from the horror of vile islam
worldwide, 91 percent of perpetrators were Muslims.
in Europe, Muslims comprised an even larger majority at 96 percent
I've got a good point. If Muslims were misogynist honour killers, why would you hire one on as your head employee?
You have no point. I never spoke those words. I usual speak of "islam" .. the most vile
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worldwide, 91 percent of perpetrators were Muslims.
in Europe, Muslims comprised an even larger majority at 96 percent
Care to dispute it beyond trying to use me as reference in your convoluted ways? No?
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No you don't. Your point is off the mark, as usual.
Try just answering and defending the actual point of discussion; we are all waiting.
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I said ... No, .... Stats say that islam the entity has produced the following Quote
worldwide, 91 percent of perpetrators were Muslims.
in Europe, Muslims comprised an even larger majority at 96 percent
Care to dispute it beyond trying to use me as reference in your convoluted ways? No?
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//http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honor_killing#Extent
There are no accurate statistics. We only know it's a big problem worldwide.
What a shame you would exploit honour killing victims to incite hatred against others. You do realize that Muslim honour killing victims are Muslim, don't you?
islamics kill islamics like there is no tomorrow. They always have. Look around the world today for today's examples
Not only do islamics kill islamics like there is no tomorrow ... many kill their own wives and daughters as far understated stats show
"The incidence of honor killings is very difficult to determine " means that many many more islamic family members than known die because most are not reported .... in Europe and around the world.
We have had several cases here in Canada even though few islamics live here ..... that van with 4 family members in it into the Trent Canal was one of vile islam's greatest works
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Have you been killed yet?
Not YET, lol ..... you are reduced to schoolyard level statements I see
That's it? That's all you got to save violence-teaching murderous islam?
It's a tough one to save from itself, obviously. I sympathize with your plight
I hate honour killers. I don't hate Muslims.
you are reduced to BELOW schoolyard level statements I see
The murderous ideology of islam cannot be saved. You are progressively demonstrating that, more with every schoolyard level .... now BELOW schoolyard level post
What's wrong with that? I hate honour killers but I don't hate Muslims.
Am I wrong for not hating Muslims?
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worldwide, 91 percent of perpetrators were Muslims.
in Europe, Muslims comprised an even larger majority at 96 percent
Okie dokie cc. I can tell you that I would NOT discriminate against a fundy muzzie. However, it would be impossible for me to be friends with someone who follows a hateful murderous ideology like Islam. We have nominally Muslim friends. You know, the kind that like a good drink, a good joke and a good shagging.
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Whoa. So after all this, you have Muslim friends. I thought it was a "hateful murderous ideology"?
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Am I wrong for not hating Muslims?
You are a schoolyard level ass for saying the obvious
Most of us to not hate any general group - WTF are you looking for, a fucking medal?? .... merely for doing what most of us do?
Do yourself a favor - Look up "people" - Then, look up "ideology / entity" - You will find they bear no similarity in meaning
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Am I wrong for not hating Muslims?
You are a schoolyard level ass for saying the obvious
Most of us to not hate any general group - WTF are you looking for, a fucking medal?? .... merely for doing what most of us do?
It would seem that you, Renee and Shen Li have a problem with the fact that I don't hate Muslims. You guys argue with me just for saying Muslims are good people.
None of us does so WTF are you blabbering about
No medal for you for merely being like the rest of us
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Do yourself a favor - Look up "people" - Then, look up "ideology" and "entity" - You will find they bear no similarity in meaning
FFS do it. Clue in. You are looking really silly here
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Alright, so none of us hate Muslims!
finally he gets the OBVIOUS
I just saved the last few posts and filed them under "Dumpster Diver"
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Whoa. So after all this, you have Muslim friends. I thought it was a "hateful murderous ideology"?
It is a hateful murderous ideology and my secular Muslim friends agree. Just go back and look at all those verses that COMMAND infidels like you and I be killed. It's at least as inhuman as Nazism.
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Alright, so none of us hate Muslims!
I hate Islamic ideology though. Every civilized person should too. It should remain in the 8th century where it belongs.
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Your Muslim friends agree that they follow a hateful murderous ideology? I find that hard to believe.
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Your problem. Work on it
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Am I wrong for not hating Muslims?
You are a schoolyard level ass for saying the obvious
Most of us to not hate any general group - WTF are you looking for, a fucking medal?? .... merely for doing what most of us do?
It would seem that you, Renee and Shen Li have a problem with the fact that I don't hate Muslims. You guys argue with me just for saying Muslims are good people.
Whoa, there worm eater. I don't have a problem with you NOT hating Muslims. I have a problem with your mealy-mouthed semantic argument tactics. I could care less how you feel about Muslims in general. Just be honest for once and stop trying to dance around the subject.
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Your Muslim friends agree that
They don't follow Islam at all. As I already wrote they are secular and like a good drink, a good joke(including ones about Mo) and a good shagging. All things that hateful ideology says are naughty. Hell, those sinners even eat bacon. :lol:
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I'm always honest. What would you like to know?
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If they don't follow Islam then they wouldn't be Muslim. That's like saying a Christian doesn't follow Christianity.
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Your Muslim friends agree that they follow a hateful murderous ideology? I find that hard to believe.
Who is being hateful here now? Looks like you believe that ALL Muslims condone Islamic fundimentalism.
You really are a shithead, aren't you? :lol:
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No. You are EXTREMELY dishonest.
You try to dance around the fact that islam is vile. That is dishonest
You try to equate people with an innate entity to save vile islam. That is dishonest
You make tolerance statements that fit most people merely to get medals. That is dishonest
You are prolly the most dishonest person I have encountered on the net
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How can anyone be a good person and blindly follow an ideology that COMMANDS infidels like you and I be killed?
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You really are a shithead, aren't you? :lol:
I've never said anything like that.
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If they don't follow Islam then they wouldn't be Muslim. That's like saying a Christian doesn't follow Christianity.
So, a person that does not tithe cannot be saved by Jesus? Who doesn't know people who call themselves Christian, but do not follow xtian dogma?
I agree with Renee, your myopic, intolerant view that you either follow the hateful bigotry of the Quomic book or you are not a true Muzzy is ridiculous. Salman Rushdie and Tarek Fatah are not real Muslims because they are too liberal in your opinion? That sounds like the kind of extremism Bin Laden would have said.
I simply don't hate Muslims.
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You do hate the hate of Islamic ideology though correct?
Pinned down or what!!!
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You really are a shithead, aren't you? :lol:
I've never said anything like that.
Uhm yeah, you did.
You're just too butt fucking stupid to realize it. :lol:
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You do hate the hate of Islamic ideology though correct?
I hate any hateful ideology.
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You really are a shithead, aren't you? :lol:
I've never said anything like that.
Uhm yeah, you did.
You're just too butt fucking stupid to realize it. :lol:
Yes, he said my Muslim friends are not real Muslims because they don't follow the Quomic book. A pretty narrow, intolerant Jerry Falwell view of religion in my opinion.
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So you are technically a so-called "hater" then? :?
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You really are a shithead, aren't you? :lol:
I've never said anything like that.
Uhm yeah, you did.
You're just too butt fucking stupid to realize it. :lol:
You're lying yet again. I've never said anything like that.
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I've never said anything like that.
Uhm yeah, you did.
You're just too butt fucking stupid to realize it. :lol:
Yes, he said my Muslim friends are not real Muslims because they don't follow the Quomic book. A pretty narrow, intolerant Jerry Falwell view of religion in my opinion.
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You agree that Islam is a hateful ideology that you hate. Welcome to the 21st century. :D
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I've never said anything like that.
Uhm yeah, you did.
You're just too butt fucking stupid to realize it. :lol:
You're lying yet again. I've never said anything like that.
No you are lying. Everyone here saw what you wrote.
You only look foolish at this point...... :o What am I saying; you've looked a fool throughout this entire discussion. :lol:
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LMAO. Dishonest Dumpster Diver can't bring himself to say the topic, islam, is a hateful ideology
He is hilarious to watch
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You only look foolish at this point...... :o What am I saying; you've looked a fool throughout this entire discussion. :lol:
Show the quote. I never said it.
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LMAO. Dishonest Dumpster Diver can't bring himself to say the topic, islam, is a hateful ideology
He is hilarious to watch
Yeah I know, but what really got me is extremist view that liberal Muslims that don't follow the Quran are not real Muslims. I would expect that from some ultra-conservative cleric, but not Romero.
To be technically correct, according to text unless one believes
Seems he thinks like an islamic literalist. "ultra-conservative fundy" works
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Seems he thinks like an islamic literalist. "ultra-conservative fundy" works
So the Islamic head employee you hired believes every single word of the three books.
It is not your place to ask what he believes or not. As I choose to not respond to that to a totally dishonest person is my business. What he believes or not is none of YOUR fucking business
You have a longstanding reputation of making even good things into bad things .. using / twisting whatever you think it takes to achieve your ends. So, What he believes or not is none of YOUR fucking business ^
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You really are making a total fool of yourself in this thread.
islam is the vilest ideology ever on the face of the earth and there is nothing you can do to save it or to deflect from that fact ... but wanting to / wishing to save it's pure evil from being exposed to the cold light of day has frustrated you to the point where you are now regularly showing your true colors
and those colors are all
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Seems he thinks like an islamic literalist. "ultra-conservative fundy" works
Yeah a friend of my husband told us about some of the extremist clerics that say he isn't Muslim enough because he disagrees with their myopic view of the religion. Who would have thought Romero would be siding with the Islamic far right??
I never said anything like that and I never said your Muslim friends are not real Muslims. I simply said Muslims follow Islam, which would be pretty obvious.
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You wrote,
At least you acknowledge the Quran is a hate book.
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"Some" follow only what they choose to follow of islam. Whether they are islamic, or not, as a result is not for you or I to decide.
allah will decide, eh?
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At least you acknowledge the Quran is a hate book.
The definition of Muslim is one who follows Islam. Saying a Muslim doesn't follow Islam is like saying a Christian doesn't follow Christianity.
I never said your Muslim friends aren't real Muslims. You're the one who called them "nominal" Muslims. I doubt they would consider themselves nominal.
I never said the Quran is a hate book.
Of course not. And, your saying it has ZERO meaning. You have never seen one let alone read it .... and never will in order to maintain your hokey "ignorance is bliss" status
You know less about islam than my dog ... then, to be fair, he ate a lot of one of my a Krannies ... prolly digested several verses
I guess it was the smell of my bacon strip bookmark that started him on it
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At least you acknowledge the Quran is a hate book.
The definition of Muslim is one who follows Islam. Saying a Muslim doesn't follow Islam is like saying a Christian doesn't follow Christianity.
I never said your Muslim friends aren't real Muslims. You're the one who called them "nominal" Muslims. I doubt they would consider themselves nominal.
I never said the Quran is a hate book.
Actually, some of my friends do in fact call themselves non-observant Muslims. Do you have a problem with that too or is are they not Muslim enough for you because they don't follow verses like this;
You are making the case though that the Quomic book/Hadith are hate literature.
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You know less about islam than my dog ... then, to be fair, he ate a lot of one of my a Krannies ... prolly digested several verses
I guess it was the smell of my bacon strip bookmark that started him on it
Romero says if you don't follow the hatred of the Quran/Hadith you just aren't Muslim enough for him. Too bad for Rushdie and Fatah.
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I never said that.
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You are making the case though that the Quomic book/Hadith are hate literature.
I never said your Muslim friends aren't Muslim enough. I said Muslims follow Islam and the Quran.
Don't your Muslim friends follow Islam, read the Quran and believe in Allah?
And what her friends do or don't do are now your business??? just like you actually thought what our friend believes or does not believe was your business ... and all the time you know the square root of fuck all about the ideology (ignorance is bliss) . hmmm
pathetically transparent ploys to avoid addressing the vileness of the cruel supremacist ideology called islam and its Satan ...
I mean allah .... the devil made me type that
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I never said they're my business. Shen Li brought them up. I'm just asking a few questions as we're having a discussion.
lol ... to continue avoiding addressing the meat of the issue ... the vileness of the cruel supremacist ideology called islam
and its books of raw hate, violence, cruelty etc. etc.
You won't address that ever
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Who's "our friend"? I don't know who you're talking about.
Now you infer our friend as your friend. .. .fkkkkk
You ask who? WTF? It's you who keeps bringing up our friend FFS ... just to make me look tolerant I guess
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You ask who? WTF? It's you who keeps bringing up our friend FFS ... just to make me look tolerant I guess
I never claimed your friend was my friend, especially since I have no idea who you're talking about.
I'm simply asking who "our friend"(your words, not mine) is.
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The ad, paid for by the American Freedom Defense Initiative and Stop Islam of America, asks Muslim women: "Is your family threatening you? Is there a Fatwa on Your Head?"
A smaller line above the questions and below a photo of seven young women, some wearing hijabs, says: "Muslim Girls Honor (sp.) Killed by Their Families."
Complaints about the ads — there were a total of five, each worth $500 — prompted Coun. Amarjeet Sohi to order officials to take down the signs, immediately.
Sohi said he was "deeply disappointed" when he first found out about the signs "that don't belong on city property."
"These ad targeted one particular group," said Sohi.
"Honour killings is a very serious concern in every community and we need to speak up against it, but targeting one particular group, and singling out one particular group, does not help resolve it.
"The organizations behind these ads are known for anti-Islamic rhetoric. They always look for opportunities to demean and degrade people of Islamic faith."
Cheryl Oxford, a city spokeswoman, says workers took down the five bus ads Tuesday morning "immediately" after receiving a "handful of complaints" on Monday.
"(The complaints) warranted us to pull the ads and request further review by the Advertising Standards Canada," said Oxford.
The city signed a contract with Pattison Outdoor, which is responsible for approving and selling advertising on city buses and LRT, added Oxford.
Scott Gibb, an Edmonton sales director with Pattison Outdoor, says each ad needs the identities of "those who are paying for the ads," along with having a "point of contact" for people identified on the ad.
A "process" in how ads are reviewed is underway, said Gibb, adding that the U.S.-based groups paid $500 for each sign. That review will also determine whether or not a refund will be made, he said.
"In light of this incident we are going to re-evaluate," said Gibb.
Zeb Qureshi, a 32-year-old transit user, was relieved after hearing city staff pulled the ads. He was one of those who filed a complaint with the city. "I was really surprised to see the ads here," said Qureshi, adding such hateful anti-Islamic messages are usually found in the United States.
"I was shocked — that was my initial reaction. It's nice to know city officials have your back and that they are willing to take down ads that are hateful."
Sohi says "mistakes were made" when the "unacceptable" ads were first posted.
"I would speak out against any discriminatory message against any particular group," said Sohi.
"Targeting one particular group is unacceptable."
http://www.edmontonsun.com/2013/10/29/anti-islamic-ads-yanked-from-city-of-edmonton-buses
I have to disagree with you Shen Li..
These ads are deliberately provocative..
You may be right about the Quran having many verses that incite hatred..
That is not enough reason to antagonize that religion and use public property to do it though..
I am a Christian and I would like to see more dialogue between Muslims and non Muslims.
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You ask who? WTF? It's you who keeps bringing up our friend FFS ... just to make me look tolerant I guess
I never claimed your friend was my friend, especially since I have no idea who you're talking about.
I'm simply asking who "our friend"(your words, not mine) is.
Oh, are you talking about your Islamic employee? I didn't know he was also your friend.
I never said anything about what he believes or doesn't believe. I just knew he was Islamic because you said he was Islamic.
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These ads are deliberately provocative..
You may be right about the Quran having many verses that incite hatred though..
That is not enough reason to antagonize that religion and use public property to do it though..
I am a Christian and I would like to see more dialogue between Muslims and non Muslims.
Good evening, Fash! :)
I concur. There should always be dialogue rather than provocation.
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These ads are deliberately provocative..
You may be right about the Quran having many verses that incite hatred though..
That is not enough reason to antagonize that religion and use public property to do it though..
I am a Christian and I would like to see more dialogue between Muslims and non Muslims.
Good evening, Fash! :)
I concur. There should always be dialogue rather than provocation.
Hello Romero, how nice to see you here..
:)
I believe Shen Li and Ms. CC mean well, but people don't usually listen to you when you call their deepest held beliefs "barbaric".
"barbaric" is "barbaric". Devout islamics listen to no one, so nothing is lost there. Tip toeing around that gets everyone nowhere
Dumpster Diver(ters) are the result of islamic propaganda combined with those who know vile islam not speaking out
Same as 1938 ... Ostriches with their heads in the sand got killed
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Ms. CC Li Tarte, if I saw advertisements mocking the Islamic religion at bus stops I too would report it to city council..
I don't see using public property to criticize a religion as being constructive at all..
It is nothing personal against you or Shen Li though.
Hi Fash ... and I know you mean well. But on the topic of islam ....
Extremist islamic organizations started using that venue to sell its wolf in sheep clothing propaganda some time ago .... others countered it .. .that's how it came to be .. not my way to counter islam but I was very aware of the entire process developing some time ago
Anyhow, I had not commented on that issue at all as it is not a biggy for me. The vile cruel ideology called islam "creeping" its vile ways into our society ... pushed by the more extreme islamics ... is an issue for me as all its organizations are lead by the more extreme people .. and good people islamics are powerless to stop the more extreme leaders ... all of whom are supremacist infidel & jew haters who care nothing for Canada ... They care only about pushing Islam's vile ways into all societies on the face of the earth
Too many of our citizens bow to the 24/7/365 pressures of the extremists leaders of islam ...
Bad people are bad people. No point in blaming a whole religion or group of people for it.
The organization that placed these ads just so happens to be an anti-Muslim organization. It's no coincidence that they don't seem to care about honour killings among other religions and cultures.
We've all seen this kind of propaganda being used against Christians, Jews etc. It's never for good reason.
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Anyhow,
I can see how a Muslim would be offended that property their taxes are paying for are covered with advertisements mocking their religion..
They have every right to object to that and even though I am a Christian, I too would complain if I ever saw something like that..
More extremist elements within that religion could even use those ads as a tool to incite more extremism.
but but but ... islamist organizations have been doing it for some time ... they started it happening. .. .and ads are revenue, not taxpayer expense
Anyhow, a sideshow to the real issue of islamic hardball creep
Speaking of hardball, those Sox are leading bigtime @ the moment **smile** ... Hope they hold it together till the end
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Anyhow, a sideshow to the real issue of islamic hardball creep
Speaking of hardball, those Sox are leading bigtime @ the moment **smile** ... Hope they hold it together till the end
Do you mean Islamist organizations are posting provocative ads about non-Muslims on public property?
I do realize ads are revenue Ms. CC, but they posted them on property that Muslims also pay for..
I can see why Muslims would object.
It was not my issue before. But now you have me thinking. The more I think about it, the more I am in favor of publicizing
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I like you very much Ms. CC Li Tarte and I feel bad how EU constantly posts mean, childish insults about you on Vancouver Forum..
But those ads on public property are inflammatory...dialogue is more effective..
I think it is time for me to bow out of this thread and we will have to respectfully agree to disagree.
If only our press / TV had the guts to do REAL exposes on the societal killing of women and girls , others would not have to do it for them
I'm getting very angry watching about our limp society protecting Islam's HORRID cruelty ... worrying more about feelings than the mega cruel deaths of innocents .. I was against the ads before but the more appeasing I see the more I realize the need to expose these perps for the killers they are ... I'm out too
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I'm getting very angry watching about our limp society protecting Islam's HORRID cruelty ... I'm out too
Ms. CC, this topic obviously brings out passionate feelings..
A little forum like this one and this topic gets 117 posts and 530 posts so far in one day..
I don`t want you or Shen Li to feel you have to silence your opinions at all..
Your input is more than welcome.
:)
Thank you Fash!! yes Fash. Societal death of girls does that. It should bring out passion. Anyhow, I understand that you mean well. It is a harsh area .. too harsh for many to even contemplate what goes on
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I guess in the end I just don't do heavy topics nearly as well as Romero, Shen Li or yourself..
I do admire you for your steadfastness.
Everything is OK with you and me. I admire your apparent infinite courtesy. Good night Fash
Hey!! Sox won big time .. nice
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Hey!! Sox won big time .. nice
Thank you Ms. CC, it is always a pleasure to see you here..
Sleep well.
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You know less about islam than my dog ... then, to be fair, he ate a lot of one of my a Krannies ... prolly digested several verses
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I have to disagree with you Shen Li..
These ads are deliberately provocative..
You may be right about the Quran having many verses that incite hatred..
That is not enough reason to antagonize that religion and use public property to do it though..
I am a Christian and I would like to see more dialogue between Muslims and non Muslims.
Oh no, we wouldn't want to offend an ideology that commands X-tians like you be slaughtered. Grow a fucking backbone FFS! The Quran/Hadith are HATE literature. They incite violence against gays, women and infidels like you and I.
Fashionista isn't going to be slaughtered. You have Muslim friends and you're not going to be slaughtered. cc has an Islamic employee and she's not going to be slaughtered.
Muslims aren't evil people who want to slaughter everyone.
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Muslims aren't evil people who want to slaughter everyone.
Islamic ideology commands that Fash be slaughtered.
Believers! Make war on the infidels who dwell around you. Let them find harshness in you. (another source: ) Ye who believe! Murder those of the disbelievers....
Thankfully I have Muslim friends who told me about the evil hatred that exists in the Quran/Hadith.
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Muslims aren't evil people who want to slaughter everyone.
Islamic ideology commands that Fash be slaughtered.
Believers! Make war on the infidels who dwell around you. Let them find harshness in you. (another source: ) Ye who believe! Murder those of the disbelievers....
But Romero seriously doubts that they are actual Muslims???? :lol: I guess to him you have to be a literal follower of the teachings of the Quran in order to call yourself a Muslim.
I guess he thinks Christians who don't attend church every Sunday or don't read the bible all that often aren't real Christians either. I guess the concept of a practicing and non-practicing Christian or Muslim escapes him. Truthfully I think a lot of simple societal, social and economic concepts escape him. :lol:
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Muslims aren't evil people who want to slaughter everyone.
Islamic ideology commands that Fash be slaughtered.
Believers! Make war on the infidels who dwell around you. Let them find harshness in you. (another source: ) Ye who believe! Murder those of the disbelievers....
But Romero seriously doubts that they are actual Muslims???? :lol: I guess to him you have to be a literal follower of the teachings of the Quran in order to call yourself a Muslim.
If you are not oppressing women, gays and killing us infidels you just don't get Romero's official stamp that you are indeed a good Muslim. :lol:
Not a bad article by Lorne Gunter. I disagree with the last part, but he is spot on that denying that their is NOT a problem with honour killings in the Islamic ideology is moving away from a solution rather than towards one.
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Frankly, it's surprising the ads were put up in buses in the first place. Singling out an identifiable group was bound to be controversial. Might as well have framed each of the $500 ads with flashing neon lights that exclaimed, "Look here! Look here!"
Transit officials and the company that places the ads for them backed into this one butts-first.
The ads were paid for by the Stop Islam of America campaign of the American Freedom Defense Initiative, a New York based organization run by anti-Sharia law activist and author Pamela Geller.
Each ad shows the photos of seven young Muslim women. The text reads "Muslim Girls Honor Killed by Their Families," then asks "Is your family threatening you? Is there a Fatwa on Your Head?" Finally, contact information where help can be found is given.
Predictably, the opposition to the ads – led by Coun. Amarjeet Sohi and a handful of local Muslims – has attempted to deny there is a particular problem with honour killing among Muslims.
Sohi professed to be "deeply disappointed" when he learned about the ads. He complained "These ads targeted one particular group. Honour killings is a very serious concern in every community and we need to speak up against it, but ... singling out one particular group, does not help resolve it."
That's where the argument against the ads goes off the rails.
To be sure, there are honour killings in communities other than the Muslim community. In Canada, there have been several high-profile honour killings by Indo-Canadians. But "in every community?" I don't recall a problem among Dutch-Canadians, for instance, or Presbyterian Canadians.
By insisting a problem is more widespread than it really is – that it is not a result of certain beliefs or cultural practices – we are actually moving away from a solution, not towards one.
The federal Tories also saw fit to condemn honour killings in the citizenship guide it gives to all new Canadians.
It would have been much smarter if the American sponsors of the ads had not singled out Muslim women. While internationally the percentage of honour killings committed by Muslims is over 90%, in Canada it's closer to two-thirds.
By concentrating solely on Muslim victims, the sponsors show they aren't truly horrified by honour killings, just the ones committed by Muslims.
The city would have no right to order the same ads taken down from private property. But the buses are city property.
http://www.edmontonsun.com/2013/10/30/bus-ad-controversy-is-outrageous-political-correctness
I have no problem criticizing or even making fun of Islam or any other religion. You chose to believe it, so don't be surprised if someone that chooses not to believe does not share your enthusiasm for your particular brand of religion. After all, we still have free speech in Canada.
I don't know about posters on city property though. Post it on private property and it's nobody's business. Everyone is happy except for the zealots.