I heard about this today and I felt it deserved discussion..
Do you feel racism is behind increasing numbers of visible minorities in federal prisons in Canada?
http://news.nationalpost.com/2013/11/26/covert-racism-behind-increased-numbers-of-aboriginals-and-other-visible-minorities-in-prisons-watchdog-says/
OTTAWA — The increased numbers of Aboriginals and visible minorities in federal prisons is evidence of covert racism, discrimination and cultural bias in Canada's justice system, says Canada's prison watchdog.
In his annual report tabled in Parliament on Tuesday, Canada's correctional investigator, Howard Sapers, said the number of visible minority inmates is partly reflective of the overall demographic change in Canadian society, but also shows that disproportionate representation of minorities in comparison to their share of the general population is a persistent and growing problem.
According to Sapers' report, Canada's prison population has grown by 2,100 inmates — a 16.5% increase — in the last 10 years.
In that time, the overall Aboriginal population in the prisons grew by 46%, while the number of Aboriginal women increased by 80% and now accounts for one in three women under federal sentence.
The prison population of other visible minorities including black, Hispanic, Asian and Indian increased by almost 75%, Sapers found. One in four inmates is foreign-born.
Meanwhile the population of Caucasian inmates fell by 3%.
"Recent population growth is almost exclusively driven by an increasing number of Aboriginal and visible minority groups behind bars," Sapers said.
"Today, 40% of the federal inmate population is composed of non-Caucasian offenders."
The numbers are particularly striking when compared to the general population. Aboriginals account for nearly one-quarter of all prisoners but comprise four per cent of the Canadian population. African-Canadians comprise nearly 10 per cent of the prison population but less than three per cent of Canadian society. The black inmate population in federal institutions has grown by nearly 90 per cent since 2003, the report says.
"I think it raises some very significant questions about our commitment to inclusion, social justice, equity, equality," said Sapers of the findings.
"Our justice system is held up as a model around the world and I think we need to do everything necessary to ensure it deserves the international reputation that it has."
Our justice system is held up as a model around the world and I think we need to do everything necessary to ensure it deserves the international reputation that it has
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Sapers said Canada's prison system must address this cultural shift by introducing more culturally relevant programs, increasing staff who speak languages other than English and French, and recommended ethnicity liaison officers be placed in Canadian institutions.
Sapers said the findings of his report support longstanding claims of a systemic bias in Canada's justice system that results in more minorities behind bars.
Once minorities get to prison, covert and subtle racism is often commonplace, he said.
A case study of the experiences of black prisoners found they were over-represented in segregation placement compared to their population in prison, incurred a disproportionate number of charges while behind bars — especially charges that were up to the discretion of staff — and were more likely to be subject to use of force.
Black inmates are also over-represented in maximum-security prisons, despite generally posing a lower risk to re-offend, Sapers said "They are also released later in their sentence and are less likely to be granted day or full parole."
Additonally, interviews with black prisoners consistently raised experiences of prejudicial attitudes by some corrections staff, Sapers said.
Many black men felt they were stereotyped as gang members by corrections staff, no matter their behaviour, Sapers said, while one institution forced black members of a literacy group to read aloud passages from The Adventures of Hucklberry Finn, a book "riddled" with racist and demeaning terminology in its description of black characters. The experience led some black members to quit attending the group.
"I think we all know when we're being treated differently," Sapers said. "We all know when we're being dismissed."
Yet despite their experience in prison, Sapers' investigation found visible minorities tend to fare better upon release than the general prison population. Black inmates specifically show a lower rate of recidivism once released.
"The positive difference in release outcomes raises questions beyond the scope of our investigation," Sapers said. "In particular, questions about the appropriateness of a sentence to federal custody in the first place."
While Canada's prisons have made strides in addressing needs along gender lines, more must be done to combat prejudice against minorities behind bars, Sapers concluded.
Canada is an increasingly pluralistic and multicultural country. There is no room or excuse for differential treatment based on creed, colour or culture
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"Canada is an increasingly pluralistic and multicultural country. There is no room or excuse for differential treatment based on creed, colour or culture."
Public Safety Minister Steven Blaney rejected the report's findings in Question Period Tuesday. "I do not believe that convicted criminals are entitled to their own private accommodation," Blaney said. "The suggestions of racial bias in prison are totally inaccurate. The only group that our system of justice is targeting are criminals."
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It´s not racism. The damn meatheads are acting all uncivilized in civilized world.
They are just being given more harsh sentences so that they will learn by example.
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It´s racism. The damn meatheads are acting all uncivilized in civilized world.
They are just being given more harsh sentences so that they will learn by example.
You are saying it's racism and that judges are deliberately giving harsher to minority prisoners?
I have to say, how surprised and deeply disappointed I was to learn about this trend.
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I meant to say it´s NOT racism.
Kinda like when USA dropped the A-bombs... The japanese learned the pecking order in this world.
Innocents had to suffer greatly because of the actions of few.
The aboriginals and the FOB scum need to learn their place. In the west, we do things the western way.
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Kinda like when USA dropped the A-bombs... The japanese learned the pecking order in this world.
Innocents had to suffer greatly because of the actions of few.
The aboriginals and the FOB scum need to learn their place. In the west, we do things the western way.
This is a very disturbing trend and we need to as a country figure out why it is happening, so we can reverse it..
My brother is a policeman and I don't want to think he is part of the problem.
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Kinda like when USA dropped the A-bombs... The japanese learned the pecking order in this world.
Innocents had to suffer greatly because of the actions of few.
The aboriginals and the FOB scum need to learn their place. In the west, we do things the western way.
This is a very disturbing trend and we need to as a country figure out why it is happening, so we can reverse it..
My brother is a policeman and I don't want to think he is part of the problem.
Makes them think twice before they stray from the law.
It is the solution to the problem. You have to think long term.
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Kinda like when USA dropped the A-bombs... The japanese learned the pecking order in this world.
Innocents had to suffer greatly because of the actions of few.
The aboriginals and the FOB scum need to learn their place. In the west, we do things the western way.
This is a very disturbing trend and we need to as a country figure out why it is happening, so we can reverse it..
My brother is a policeman and I don't want to think he is part of the problem.
Makes them think twice before they stray from the law.
It is the solution to the problem. You have to think long term.
But are they being treated fairly by the police, courts and once incarcerated?
From this article the answer seems to be no.
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Kinda like when USA dropped the A-bombs... The japanese learned the pecking order in this world.
Innocents had to suffer greatly because of the actions of few.
The aboriginals and the FOB scum need to learn their place. In the west, we do things the western way.
This is a very disturbing trend and we need to as a country figure out why it is happening, so we can reverse it..
My brother is a policeman and I don't want to think he is part of the problem.
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Fash...for gods sake......it is happening because blacks and natives engage proportionally in more crime than any other race.....plain and simple...the jails aren't full of chinese or east asians....just blacks and injuns........drugs, alcohol, sloth, FAS, abuse, laziness and a host of other societal issues plague these two communities resulting in a disproportionate number of young males landing in jail......where criminals should be
Minority populations are rising, Caucasians as a % of the population are declining. It's simple demographics. Violent offenders are ending up in prison where they belong. Their race/ethnicity is not important as long as violent criminals are separated from society. End of story.
We have moslims and black/moslims flooding our prisons. They have their prisons because they are getting killed by the whites.
The sami are drunks but not criminals.
Some vietnamese in there because they are killing their wives frequently.
The situation in the states is fucked up. Caucasians still are the 290mill., yet the AA-males are the kings of incarceration.
There is one other thing too at least about immigrant and first generation minorities who are arrested and sent off to jail. I will bet anything if you look at their backgrounds you will see the troublemakers did not come here as skilled immigrants. Either they or their families are here as refugees or family reunification.
You think that immigration should only be work-based? Why didn´t I think of that...
I´ll say no skills, no education, FUCK OFF! No family reunifications unless you are going to pay for them yourself.
Same goes for other whites, asians and africans.
It´s like these asshole greenie politicians do not know how to use wealth. They are like Paris Hiltons with daddys credit card. "Daddy pays, I dont have to worry about shit. I´m a Hilton".
The refugees are damaged goods. They are scarred for life... A man whom has seen nothing but conflict and took part to it all his life is a broken down wreck in a peaceful environment like Nordic countries.
I think social standards count for a lot of the people in jail, maybe have a single, or no parents raising them.
I would guess you look at the demographics that most people in jail being of what ever color has less than a normal home life.
A lot are raising themselves, and or by friends who should be parented.
Also the social groups trying to emulate their now a day heroes like cRap artist, and your usual thugs on tv filth.
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I would guess you look at the demographics that most people in jail being of what ever color has less than a normal home life.
A lot are raising themselves, and or by friends who should be parented.
Also the social groups trying to emulate their now a day heroes like cRap artist, and your usual thugs on tv filth.
Yep as well as the offspring of refugees and family reunification, people that grow up in single parent homes would be high on the list of those in jail.
I see it all the time where kids are raising themselves. A poor woman has to work, do chores, and no time to raise them.
She or he even will be at work, the kids come home to an empty house just to run out with friends.
It's sad, they may get street smart, but not raised properly.
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She or he even will be at work, the kids come home to an empty house just to run out with friends.
It's sad, they may get street smart, but not raised properly.
They are in training for their future occupation...prisoner!!
Pretty much, they are not learning how to be proper people in public.
Most don't even know what to do when it's time to get a job, and they have a kid.
The Army don't even want them anymore.
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Most don't even know what to do when it's time to get a job, and they have a kid.
The Army don't even want them anymore.
I would like to see Canada employ it's population of violent inmates to look for live mines in Afghanistan. ;)
At least on work farms to pay for their upkeep, why should the public pay anymore for them.
If they don't work let them starve, or move into a bleeding heart liberals house.
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That is right.
Yeah, why should we pay for their crimes, and upkeep, they need to work for their upkeep, and court cost.
Criminals don't pay being locked up, we do from start to finish .
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Criminals don't pay being locked up, we do from start to finish .
That is the good way of thinking...
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Most don't even know what to do when it's time to get a job, and they have a kid.
The Army don't even want them anymore.
I would like to see Canada employ it's population of violent inmates to look for live mines in Afghanistan. ;)
That is vile Shen Li..
They have been unfairly incarcerated because of their race and then you want to have victims of racial injustice be used as human shields
Canada is a very racist country against the Chinese starting with taxes on our heads and exclusionary.
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Most don't even know what to do when it's time to get a job, and they have a kid.
The Army don't even want them anymore.
I would like to see Canada employ it's
That is vile Shen Li..
They have been unfairly incarcerated because of their race and then you want to use victims of racial injustice be used as human shields :!:
She said to the population of violent inmates, violent ones really should be locked away no matter what color, and background.
It might seem cruel to some, but China had it right taking organs from murders to save others in my opinion.
From the average criminal maybe not.
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I would like to see Canada employ it's
That is vile Shen Li..
They have been unfairly incarcerated because of their race and then you want to use victims of racial injustice be used as human shields :!:
She said to the population of violent inmates, violent ones really should be locked away no matter what color, and background.
It might seem cruel to some, but China had it right taking organs from murders to save others in my opinion.
From the average criminal maybe not.
On second thought Mr. Blue Frost, you are right..
I don't want Canada to ever copy China's example about anything.
Well if they are right no matter the country it's not wrong, even Islam has a few good laws, and I detest it.
China goes overboard on it even though they relaxed some, but that's maybe from pressure from the international community, and the Chines communities around China.
What gets me though about here, Canada, and many other pleases is the lack of Criminals paying for their crime, or upkeep.
We pay from their violence, and keeping them up with them living it up a lot of times in comfy prisons.
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China goes overboard on it even though they relaxed some, but that's maybe from pressure from the international community, and the Chines communities around China.
What gets me though about here, Canada, and many other pleases is the lack of Criminals paying for their crime, or upkeep.
We pay from their violence, and keeping them up with them living it up a lot of times in comfy prisons.
I am not opposed to punishing criminals Mr. Blue Frost..
My hope would be they also be rehabilitated too..
What concerns me the most when I started this thread is someone's race may determine whether they go to prison or not.
Yeah race should not be the issue when determining guilt, justice is suppose to be blind of race, religion, origin, and wealth.
Usually wealth plays a big roll in it, if you can pay you go free a lot of time, that's the most prevalent injustice in my opinion, and part of why the ones you mentioned go to prison.
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Usually wealth plays a big roll in it, if you can pay you go free a lot of time, that's the most prevalent injustice in my opinion, and part of why the ones you mentioned go to prison.
It would seem that is not the case anymore in Canada..
Maybe it never was either, but I had no idea the situation was this bad.
It's a lot to do with how much you pay, the appointed lawyers don't have the same clout, and know how of most trial attorneys.
I think there is often some racism, but it's mainly demographics. Which can also be racist. Hmm.
Many visible minorities, often First Nations in Canada and blacks in the US, may happen to be poorer, unemployed etc. compared to the average. Their situations will always lead to more crime, arrests and jail time no matter what they are. It's circumstantial, but there is at least an element of racism in the fact that certain people have a tougher life than others.
Racism sometimes. I know that blacks and Latinos in the US are more likely to be stopped, arrested, and spend more jail time than whites. New York City has recently courted controversy with its 'stop-and-frisk' program, in which it has been found that police were stopping and searching a high majority of blacks and Latinos even though they were no more likely of committing crime.
An incredible story I recently posted in another forum:
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Why is this man still out on the street? What is wrong with the justice system?
Earl Sampson works at that store.
The store owner installed 15 video cameras. Not for protection against robbers, but for protection from the police. Now with the help of the ACLU
they are taking the police department to federal court.
Source: //http://www.commondreams.org/further/2013/11/22-2
A good article regarding First Nations here in Canada:
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In the report Howard Sapers, Canada's correctional investigator, notes that incarceration rates of First Nations, Metis and Inuit people in federal prisons have jumped over 43 per cent in the last five years.
While the Aboriginal population makes up four per cent of Canada's population, 23.2 per cent of those in prison are Aboriginal.
The numbers are even more staggering for women, where more than one-third of the prison population is Aboriginal.
The report comes just weeks after Superior Justice Frank Iacobucci's report on the lack of First Nations on jury rolls in Ontario. Iacobucci also cited systematic racism and the history of colonialism as effects on First Nations' perception of the legal system.
In a press release, the Assembly of First Nations said that the best way to deal with the rising prison rates for First Nations people is to invest in education.
"It costs about 10 times more to incarcerate a person for one year than it does to educate them for single year of high school," said AFN Justice Portfolio holder, Alberta Regional Chief Cameron Alexis.
"An investment in nurturing the self-esteem, ambition and dreams of our children and youth will pay the greatest dividends and cost significantly less than having them end-up in the justice system. A holistic approach is required to address quality of life issues - lifelong learning, child welfare, housing, clean drinking water, infrastructure, environment, and jurisdiction."
The AFN noted that funding caps on education for First Nations have resulted in students on-reserve getting substantially less money for education than their off-reserve peers.
//http://www.wawataynews.ca/archive/all/2013/3/14/first-nation-prison-rates-mount-blame-pointed-feds_24234
But don't you worry about your bro, Fash! I'm sure he's a great guy. There are problems anywhere, but most police are top-notch professionals.
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Many visible minorities, often First Nations in Canada and blacks in the US, may happen to be poorer, unemployed etc. compared to the average. Their situations will always lead to more crime, arrests and jail time no matter what they are. It's circumstantial, but there is at least an element of racism in the fact that certain people have a tougher life than others.
Racism sometimes. I know that blacks and Latinos in the US are more likely to be stopped, arrested, and spend more jail time than whites. New York City has recently courted controversy with its 'stop-and-frisk' program, in which it has been found that police were stopping and searching a high majority of blacks and Latinos even though they were no more likely of committing crime.
An incredible story I recently posted in another forum:
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Why is this man still out on the street? What is wrong with the justice system?
Earl Sampson works at that store.
The store owner installed 15 video cameras. Not for protection against robbers, but for protection from the police. Now with the help of the ACLU
they are taking the police department to federal court.
Source: //http://www.commondreams.org/further/2013/11/22-2
A good article regarding First Nations here in Canada:
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In the report Howard Sapers, Canada's correctional investigator, notes that incarceration rates of First Nations, Metis and Inuit people in federal prisons have jumped over 43 per cent in the last five years.
While the Aboriginal population makes up four per cent of Canada's population, 23.2 per cent of those in prison are Aboriginal.
The numbers are even more staggering for women, where more than one-third of the prison population is Aboriginal.
The report comes just weeks after Superior Justice Frank Iacobucci's report on the lack of First Nations on jury rolls in Ontario. Iacobucci also cited systematic racism and the history of colonialism as effects on First Nations' perception of the legal system.
In a press release, the AFN said that the best way to deal with the rising prison rates for First Nations people is to invest in education.
"It costs about 10 times more to incarcerate a person for one year than it does to educate them for single year of high school," said AFN Justice Portfolio holder, Alberta Regional Chief Cameron Alexis.
"An investment in nurturing the self-esteem, ambition and dreams of our children and youth will pay the greatest dividends and cost significantly less than having them end-up in the justice system. A holistic approach is required to address quality of life issues - lifelong learning, child welfare, housing, clean drinking water, infrastructure, environment, and jurisdiction."
The AFN noted that funding caps on education for First Nations have resulted in students on-reserve getting substantially less money for education than their off-reserve peers.
//http://www.wawataynews.ca/archive/all/2013/3/14/first-nation-prison-rates-mount-blame-pointed-feds_24234
Don't you worry about your bro, Fash! I'm sure he's a great guy. There are problems anywhere, but most police are top-notch professionals.
Thanks Romero..
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My brother speaks in broad terms, but he does not like to mention specific cases..
What I can tell you is that he works in an area with a high percentage of Native Canadians..
He is active in the greater community including being a scout leader in a multi racial environment which I would hope helps bridge the chasm between the police and young Aboriginals.
^^Ah fuck that guilt BS. A cop's job is to arrest criminals who would cause harm to people and property. It is not their responsibility to be a substitute daddy, social worker, addictions counsellor or any other role besides keeping violent criminals off the fucking streets.
Canadian taxpayers spend a shit load of money on corrupt Native chiefs/band councils, greedy bureaucrats in the Indian industry and yet heaps of Aboriginals are not living in two parent families. Is that your brother's fault? Fuck no, but it is cops, judges, corrections officers and so on who will be labeled "racist" because of Canada's rapidly changing demographics. There's a real lack of accountability on too many reserves, but to their credit, the feds are try to bring some transparency to Aboriginal funding
I would like to see some changes too, but focusing on the thug's skin colour is not the answer.
its funny to hear different comments from the big city dwellers that rarely if ever interact with natives.....here, in indian country, where we live, eat and work with natives every day there is a little different perspective...if you asked 100 white people here what they thought about the native jail population 100 of them would say they don't put enough of them in jail....we would all relate stories of crimes committed by natives on a daily basis that the cops no longer even show up for as they know the courts will simply throw out the charges....it would be a rare occurrence for a native to be charged with crimes like break and enter, simple assault, drunkeness, theft etc. etc....the cops are too busy charging them with murder, drug dealing, assault, rape, robbery and other serious shit to worry about the petty stuff..in a lot of cases the whites have to take matters into their own hands and deal with it......
when some old person wakes up and there are a couple of braves standing in their living room loading up the TV and the cops are busy on the reserve breaking up one of the many early morning family knife fights....the oldsters are kinda on their own
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when some old person wakes up and there are a couple of braves standing in their living room loading up the TV and the cops are busy on the reserve breaking up one of the many early morning family knife fights....the oldsters are kinda on their own
Mr. Obvious Li, you are very right, I do see situations through urban eyes because that is all I know..
I do not see or have ever seen what you have, so I will reserve my comments..
PS you are a very early riser.
:)
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when some old person wakes up and there are a couple of braves standing in their living room loading up the TV and the cops are busy on the reserve breaking up one of the many early morning family knife fights....the oldsters are kinda on their own
I have never lived in places like Wabasca, Fort McKay or Lac La Biche, but I have spent enough time in all of them to know what is going on. All of these mostly Aboriginal communities had serious problems with domestic violence/sexual abuse. There was revenue from government and of course resources, but it was not trickling through to everyone it seemed. The chiefs/band councillors and their friends were doing quite well, but the rest not so much. Some impressive buildings on some of them though.
I have no doubt that being non-Aboriginal in one of those communities requires some vast adjustments. Things don't follow the same pattern off reserve as they do on. It's hard for city dwellers to take off their urban blinders and accept that reality. Reserves are an antiquated idea and the time has come to bring true equality to people of all colours and get rid of the racism of "Aboriginal rights"(special rights based on race). It's not working for Aboriginals anyway.
Right here.
and here
Black inmates are also over-represented in maximum-security prisons, despite generally posing a lower risk to re-offend, Sapers said "They are also released later in their sentence and are less likely to be granted day or full parole."
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when some old person wakes up and there are a couple of braves standing in their living room loading up the TV and the cops are busy on the reserve breaking up one of the many early morning family knife fights....the oldsters are kinda on their own
Mr. Obvious Li, you are very right, I do see situations through urban eyes because that is all I know..
I do not see or have ever seen what you have, so I will reserve my comments..
:)
lol...true dat.....i rarely sleep more than 3 or 4 hours at a stretch....too much to accomplish and not enough hours in a day............
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when some old person wakes up and there are a couple of braves standing in their living room loading up the TV and the cops are busy on the reserve breaking up one of the many early morning family knife fights....the oldsters are kinda on their own
Mr. Obvious Li, you are very right, I do see situations through urban eyes because that is all I know..
I do not see or have ever seen what you have, so I will reserve my comments..
:)
lol...true dat.....i rarely sleep more than 3 or 4 hours at a stretch....too much to accomplish and not enough hours in a day............
You seem like a very driven man Mr. Obvious Li..
That is why you have had such a successful career.
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Mr. Obvious Li, you are very right, I do see situations through urban eyes because that is all I know..
I do not see or have ever seen what you have, so I will reserve my comments..
:)
lol...true dat.....i rarely sleep more than 3 or 4 hours at a stretch....too much to accomplish and not enough hours in a day............
That is why you have had such a successful career.
You're fucking right he is. As well as an ambitious, determined, competitive, achievement-oriented type A personality. A type A and a 1 percenter. Like me he has little time for crybabies like Mel Gibson, Soon and the rest of the whiner "men" on Vancouver Forum. They are lazy, lack focus and when they fuck up it is always someone else or some thing's fault. If girlmen like them were non-white they would be the first ones milking the race card for their own many inadequacies.
Again.. This shit is happening everywhere.
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I can't believe it, but I actually agree with you. Violent criminals going to jail is not a bad thing in my mind. Who cares about their fucking skin colour.
Canada is so racist a country
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Still can't get laid eh hornung? ;)
Is this kind of thinking leading to the result that the justice-system should somehow fear condemning coloured prisoners?
The prison-guards are the meanest aholes known to man. They are selected to be like that so that they can break the prisoners spirit. The guards are far outnumbered in the facilities. The prisoners need to feel like they are maggots compared to the almighty guards
The natives were totally decimated by the colonials so the crimerate is most likely very high.
It doesn´t matter how oppressed your people are... If you commit crime, you get punished.
When you hear some asshole complaining about a long sentence for a petty crime, take a look at his/her record. The sentence grows when you continue doing crimes.
And when they divide the different groups in prison... Do you really want to put the nazis/hellsangels/white supremacists in a same room with hispanic/black/asian prisoners? FUCK NO! They´ll start a riot.
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Howard Sapers, the Correctional Investigator for Canada, is the latest example. Sapers, a former Alberta Liberal MLA who was appointed to the National Parole Board and then to his current position by former Liberal governments, filed his annual report to Parliament last week. In it he blames covert racism for the dramatic rise of minorities in our prison system.
Sapers also questions why the federal prison population has increased by 16.5% in the past decade even as crime has been falling.
In a speech at a Toronto church last weekend, Sapers was even more scathing, blaming the government of Tory Prime Minister Stephen Harper for "mass incarceration," "arbitrary and abusive conditions of detention" and for moving away from the progressive model of rehabilitation-over-punishment brought in by the Trudeau Liberals in 1971.
"You cannot reasonably claim to have a just society with incarceration rates" such as Canada now has, Sapers insisted.
But are our incarceration rates unfair and unjust?
Let's deal first with Sapers' claim (repeated often by other hug-a-thug theorists) that we don't need to lock up more crooks because the national crime rate is falling. Has it never occurred to these alleged experts that the crime rate is falling precisely because so many more crooks have been locked up?
We know that a relatively small number of criminals commit the vast majority of crime. So by taking more of these repeat offenders off the streets, it is entirely possible that less crime is being committed as a result of higher incarceration rates and longer sentences.
It is also possible that crime isn't falling as much or as fast as stats indicate. The big drop is only in the amount of crime being reported. An international phenomenon detected in surveys of crime victims shows clearly victims are less inclined to report crimes because they are losing faith in the police, courts and prisons to punish the perpetrators.
Some of the drop in crime is an illusion.
But back to Sapers' charge that aboriginals and blacks are overrepresented in our prison system.
In the past decade, there has been a 46% increase in the number of aboriginal men incarcerated in federal prisons and an 80% increase in the number of aboriginal women. Aboriginals make up just 4% of the Canadian population, but account for 23% of federal prisoners.
Blacks, who make up just 3% of our population account for 10% of our prisoners and have seen a 90% spike in their numbers in jail over the last 10 years.
Similarly, Hispanics, Asians and Indo-Canadians have seen their prison levels rise by 75% since 2003. One quarter of inmates are foreign-born.
By contrast, the Caucasian population behind bars has fallen 3%.
Sapers chalks all this up to systemic racism in the justice system and growing cultural insensitivity.
He wants ethnic liaison officers in prisons to handle prisoner demands for special food and cultural traditions.
In his mind, the statistics "raise some very significant questions about our commitment to inclusion, social justice, equity, equality."
Really? Because the percentage of aboriginals and visible minorities in our prisons mirrors almost exactly the percentages of aboriginals and visible minorities arrested for and convicted of crimes.
On the latter, Canada's prison system has it just about right.
http://www.edmontonsun.com/2013/11/29/canadian-prison-system-not-flawed
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Howard Sapers, the Correctional Investigator for Canada, is the latest example. Sapers, a former Alberta Liberal MLA who was appointed to the National Parole Board and then to his current position by former Liberal governments, filed his annual report to Parliament last week. In it he blames covert racism for the dramatic rise of minorities in our prison system.
Sapers also questions why the federal prison population has increased by 16.5% in the past decade even as crime has been falling.
In a speech at a Toronto church last weekend, Sapers was even more scathing, blaming the government of Tory Prime Minister Stephen Harper for "mass incarceration," "arbitrary and abusive conditions of detention" and for moving away from the progressive model of rehabilitation-over-punishment brought in by the Trudeau Liberals in 1971.
"You cannot reasonably claim to have a just society with incarceration rates" such as Canada now has, Sapers insisted.
But are our incarceration rates unfair and unjust?
Let's deal first with Sapers' claim (repeated often by other hug-a-thug theorists) that we don't need to lock up more crooks because the national crime rate is falling. Has it never occurred to these alleged experts that the crime rate is falling precisely because so many more crooks have been locked up?
We know that a relatively small number of criminals commit the vast majority of crime. So by taking more of these repeat offenders off the streets, it is entirely possible that less crime is being committed as a result of higher incarceration rates and longer sentences.
It is also possible that crime isn't falling as much or as fast as stats indicate. The big drop is only in the amount of crime being reported. An international phenomenon detected in surveys of crime victims shows clearly victims are less inclined to report crimes because they are losing faith in the police, courts and prisons to punish the perpetrators.
Some of the drop in crime is an illusion.
But back to Sapers' charge that aboriginals and blacks are overrepresented in our prison system.
In the past decade, there has been a 46% increase in the number of aboriginal men incarcerated in federal prisons and an 80% increase in the number of aboriginal women. Aboriginals make up just 4% of the Canadian population, but account for 23% of federal prisoners.
Blacks, who make up just 3% of our population account for 10% of our prisoners and have seen a 90% spike in their numbers in jail over the last 10 years.
Similarly, Hispanics, Asians and Indo-Canadians have seen their prison levels rise by 75% since 2003. One quarter of inmates are foreign-born.
By contrast, the Caucasian population behind bars has fallen 3%.
Sapers chalks all this up to systemic racism in the justice system and growing cultural insensitivity.
He wants ethnic liaison officers in prisons to handle prisoner demands for special food and cultural traditions.
In his mind, the statistics "raise some very significant questions about our commitment to inclusion, social justice, equity, equality."
Really? Because the percentage of aboriginals and visible minorities in our prisons mirrors almost exactly the percentages of aboriginals and visible minorities arrested for and convicted of crimes.
On the latter, Canada's prison system has it just about right.
http://www.edmontonsun.com/2013/11/29/canadian-prison-system-not-flawed
When Native Canadians are only 4% of the overall population and yet 23% of those in federal prisons there is something very wrong with the system.
Yea, or maybe they just do more crime.
Don´t go all hippie on us fash.
All the peoples in the world are not as docile as you.
Damn idiots just think every1 is the same and get themselves killed.
OK =...for the bleeding hearts like Fash..i simply say open up any newspaper in Regina, Saskatoon, Winnipeg or any other indian town, on any particular day and you will see the following story: repeated over and over again......six months house arrest for killing someone.....unbelievable
Truth be told, probably 85% of adult male natives should be locked up until they are 50 plus to protect the rest of society.....and the other 15% need to be monitored...however, i guess the bleeding hearts don't care as long as natives are killing each other and not them..... :mrgreen:
By: James Turner
Posted: 12/1/2013 3:15 PM |
Conditions on Shamattawa First Nation were taken into account when a 19-year-old man was sentenced to six months additional custody for a killing he committed as a youth.
A young man who fatally stabbed a violent party guest on a northern Manitoba reserve has been handed a six-month jail sentence.
In a case that shines a grim light on social issues that plague the remote northern community of Shamattawa, provincial court Judge Murray Thompson ruled against a request from provincial prosecutors to keep the offender in jail for a longer period.
A young offender's manslaughter case surrounding the death of Charles Beardy in Shamattawa exposed problems when different social systems — like justice, education and child welfare — interact.
While in custody prior to his sentencing hearing, the youth was found to be mature, respectful and co-operative by correctional staff.
But after he was released on bail to live in Winnipeg, he was denied entry to school because of the manslaughter charge that he eventually pleaded guilty to.
Awasis CFS appealed the Winnipeg School Division ban to the Children's Advocate but was turned down, Thompson said.
The offender returned to custody in October after missing curfew one night.
Compounding problems is how a CFS supervisor's "administrative mix-up" led to a missed extension of care deadline, court heard.
That has left him ineligible for further CFS intervention. He's no longer a ward of the state, and CFS cannot help him plan his future.
"Regardless as to how it happened, the Awasis Agency is no longer involved in planning for his life and regrettably it seems, (he) has fallen through the cracks of the child-welfare system," the judge said.
He plans to return to Shamattawa to live with his parents, who are both very ill.
"The actions of the accused fell short of murder due to a combination of factors where the Crown could not prove beyond a reasonable doubt he had the requisite intent to kill," Thompson said in a recent written decision made public Friday.
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OK =...for the bleeding hearts like Fash..i simply say open up any newspaper in Regina, Saskatoon, Winnipeg or any other indian town, on any particular day and you will see the following story: repeated over and over again......six months house arrest for killing someone.....unbelievable
Truth be told, probably 85% of adult male natives should be locked up until they are 50 plus to protect the rest of society.....and the other 15% need to be monitored...however, i guess the bleeding hearts don't care as long as natives are killing each other and not them..... :mrgreen:
By: James Turner
Posted: 12/1/2013 3:15 PM |
Conditions on Shamattawa First Nation were taken into account when a 19-year-old man was sentenced to six months additional custody for a killing he committed as a youth.
A young man who fatally stabbed a violent party guest on a northern Manitoba reserve has been handed a six-month jail sentence.
In a case that shines a grim light on social issues that plague the remote northern community of Shamattawa, provincial court Judge Murray Thompson ruled against a request from provincial prosecutors to keep the offender in jail for a longer period.
A young offender's manslaughter case surrounding the death of Charles Beardy in Shamattawa exposed problems when different social systems — like justice, education and child welfare — interact.
While in custody prior to his sentencing hearing, the youth was found to be mature, respectful and co-operative by correctional staff.
But after he was released on bail to live in Winnipeg, he was denied entry to school because of the manslaughter charge that he eventually pleaded guilty to.
Awasis CFS appealed the Winnipeg School Division ban to the Children's Advocate but was turned down, Thompson said.
The offender returned to custody in October after missing curfew one night.
Compounding problems is how a CFS supervisor's "administrative mix-up" led to a missed extension of care deadline, court heard.
That has left him ineligible for further CFS intervention. He's no longer a ward of the state, and CFS cannot help him plan his future.
"Regardless as to how it happened, the Awasis Agency is no longer involved in planning for his life and regrettably it seems, (he) has fallen through the cracks of the child-welfare system," the judge said.
He plans to return to Shamattawa to live with his parents, who are both very ill.
"The actions of the accused fell short of murder due to a combination of factors where the Crown could not prove beyond a reasonable doubt he had the requisite intent to kill," Thompson said in a recent written decision made public Friday.
Thank you for posting that Mr. Obvious Li..
I don't think sentences like that are common though, but I could be wrong..
That doesn't change that Native Canadians are over represented in the penal system.
^^Fash, why the fuck are you so hung up on the race of offenders? People in federal pens are not nice people that need a hug. They are there because they deserve to be there.
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when your daily life and family interaction is full of drugs, alcohol and violence, as is the case on ALL reserves, is it any wonder there are so many of these people in jail..they know no other way to solve problems beside "might is right"...the strongest survive and the weak are discarded....that's life on a reserve.
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when your daily life and family interaction is full of drugs, alcohol and violence, as is the case on ALL reserves, is it any wonder there are so many of these people in jail..they know no other way to solve problems beside "might is right"...the strongest survive and the weak are discarded....that's life on a reserve.
That brings up another issue. I would like to see all reserves dismantled, the Indian Act scrapped and one citizenship for all Canadians regardless of their race/ethnicity. There will be a lot of resistance from corrupt chiefs/band councils and whites who make a living off the "Indian industry, but I say fuck em all. What we have is clearly not working for the majority of Aboriginals or Canadian taxpayers who are funding it.
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when your daily life and family interaction is full of drugs, alcohol and violence, as is the case on ALL reserves, is it any wonder there are so many of these people in jail..they know no other way to solve problems beside "might is right"...the strongest survive and the weak are discarded....that's life on a reserve.
That brings up another issue. I would like to see all reserves dismantled, the Indian Act scrapped and one citizenship for all Canadians regardless of their race/ethnicity. There will be a lot of resistance from corrupt chiefs/band councils and whites who make a living off the "Indian industry, but I say fuck em all. What we have is clearly not working for the majority of Aboriginals or Canadian taxpayers who are funding it.
then you better come up with a solution to those idiots on the supreme court....it is those assholes that perpetuate this native myth of we owe them a living.....get somebody on there with balls and the rest will take care of itself
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when your daily life and family interaction is full of drugs, alcohol and violence, as is the case on ALL reserves, is it any wonder there are so many of these people in jail..they know no other way to solve problems beside "might is right"...the strongest survive and the weak are discarded....that's life on a reserve.
That brings up another issue. I would like to see all reserves dismantled, the Indian Act scrapped and one citizenship for all Canadians regardless of their race/ethnicity. There will be a lot of resistance from corrupt chiefs/band councils and whites who make a living off the "Indian industry, but I say fuck em all. What we have is clearly not working for the majority of Aboriginals or Canadian taxpayers who are funding it.
then you better come up with a solution to those idiots on the supreme court....it is those assholes that perpetuate this native myth of we owe them a living.....get somebody on there with balls and the rest will take care of itself
Oh I have no faith in anyone appointed by a politician to tear down the antiquated Indian Act. That would require real guts and that is in short supply in Ottawa. The closest we came was in 1969 under Indian and Northern Affairs Minister Jean Chretien's white paper. I bet they regret that now. Harper has done some piecemeal stuff like making elected reserve leaders salaries more transparent, but it is nowhere near enough.
Chugaboos all sexually molest their sisters, daughters, nieces or any woman they can get their hands on. They don't care, if they want it they take it. They are just like wild animals.
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Gary, that is a horribly racist stereotype of Native Canadian men.
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sorry it is not......talk to any public health nurse that works on a reserve and they will all tell you and confirm that there is not a virgin to be found anywhere past the age of 9/10......they do not exist on a reserve......considering everyone on a reserve is related it means a fair bit of incest occurs.....fairly common knowledge in indian country.......get out more and ask questions
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sorry it is not......talk to any public health nurse that works on a reserve and they will all tell you and confirm that there is not a virgin to be found anywhere past the age of 9/10......they do not exist on a reserve......considering everyone on a reserve is related it means a fair bit of incest occurs.....fairly common knowledge in indian country.......get out more and ask questions
Mr. Obvious Li, my husband has worked on a lot of Native reserves and directly with a lot Native Canadians..
He has told me that there are horrible social conditions on reserves including violence, child neglect and much worse..
It breaks my heart to think about it..
I wish there was something that could be done to immediately turn that situation around.
Good discussion on the growing number of minorities in prison @ 4:40:
//http://www.cbc.ca/player/News/TV+Shows/The+National/ID/2421741244/
"Are we becoming more like the United States?"
"The aboriginal population in prison has grown by nearly half, and the number of black inmates has gone up by 90%."
"There's no question that our criminal justice system, not just the prison system, treats people from minority backgrounds differently than other Canadians."
"If Rob Ford were aboriginal, people wouldn't be telling him to get help. We'd be throwing him in jail."
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//http://www.cbc.ca/player/News/TV+Shows/The+National/ID/2421741244/
"Are we becoming more like the United States?"
"The aboriginal population in prison has grown by nearly half, and the number of black inmates has gone up by 90%."
"If Rob Ford were aboriginal, people wouldn't be telling him to get help. We'd be throwing him in jail."
Thank you so much for posting that Romero, I will be sure to click on it a little later..
Something is terribly wrong when Native Canadians are incarcerated at rates six times higher than their overall population.
Indeed it is. For even if there is no prejudice and some minorities are more likely to commit crime, we are still failing them.
We see this anywhere all over the world. It's always the impoverished and minorities getting the short end of the stick.
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//http://www.cbc.ca/player/News/TV+Shows/The+National/ID/2421741244/
"Are we becoming more like the United States?"
"The aboriginal population in prison has grown by nearly half, and the number of black inmates has gone up by 90%."
"There's no question that our criminal justice system, not just the prison system, treats people from minority backgrounds differently than other Canadians."
You mean the way Aboriginal MP Romeo Saganash was thrown in jail for fucking up on a plane?
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We see this anywhere all over the world. It's always the impoverished and minorities getting the short end of the stick.
Bullshit, most of them probably did not grow up in a house with both parents. OL is correct, sexual abuse is rampant on reserves. Irresponsible parents, corrupt chiefs/band councilors and slimey politicians that pander to such corruption are the real culprits.
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We see this anywhere all over the world. It's always the impoverished and minorities getting the short end of the stick.
why or how are "we" by which of course you mean white folks failing them....they get free health care, free education, welfare galore, free housing, free food, free travel, free lawyers, free free free....isn't it about time to consider maybe they are failing themselves....just sayin :ugeek:
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We see this anywhere all over the world. It's always the impoverished and minorities getting the short end of the stick.
why or how are "we" by which of course you mean white folks failing them....they get free health care, free education, welfare galore, free housing, free food, free travel, free lawyers, free free free....isn't it about time to consider maybe they are failing themselves....just sayin :ugeek:
That's exactly how we are failing them. Handouts are not designed to make people independent. On the contrary, it makes them dependent and a reliable voting block for slimebag politicians.
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We see this anywhere all over the world. It's always the impoverished and minorities getting the short end of the stick.
why or how are "we" by which of course you mean white folks failing them....they get free health care, free education, welfare galore, free housing, free food, free travel, free lawyers, free free free....isn't it about time to consider maybe they are failing themselves....just sayin :ugeek:
I don't know what the solution is Mr. Obvious Li..
A very sad situation, money is spent trying to lift them out of poverty and more money is spent again on courts and incarceration..
Probably money set aside to help Native Canadians is not being spent the way it is supposed to either..
Since you live in a Native Canadian area, what would you suggest be done to improve the lot for Native Canadians in isolated places?
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We see this anywhere all over the world. It's always the impoverished and minorities getting the short end of the stick.
why or how are "we" by which of course you mean white folks failing them....they get free health care, free education, welfare galore, free housing, free food, free travel, free lawyers, free free free....isn't it about time to consider maybe they are failing themselves....just sayin :ugeek:
I don't know what the solution is Mr. Obvious Li..
A very sad situation, money is spent trying to lift them out of poverty and more money is spent again on courts and incarceration..
Probably money set aside to help Native Canadians is not being spent the way it is supposed to either..
Since you live in a Native Canadian area, what would you suggest be done to improve the lot for Native Canadians in isolated places?
sorry Fash...i know this is a serious topic.....i wrote out a full page in reply to your question but as is common using firefox i pushed the wrong key and poof it is gone...i am too pissed off to write it again as curling is coming on in about 10 minutes and NOTHING and i mean NOTHING is more important than curling, the only true sport...i will respond later..
in general my comments are....until natives are fully integrated into canadian society and the reserve system is completely dismantled things will not change...on reserves close to civilization, with a few thousand souls there is a chance.....but remote northern reserves with a few hundred, or less than one hundred people in some cases...it is ridiculous to demand hospital and school services equivalent to a major canadian city...just the kind of fucking stupid nonsense sold to natives by an activist liberal supreme court these past 50 years...this needs to change dramatically and some sense of reality injected into the system...gotta go bye
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sorry Fash...i know this is a serious topic.....i wrote out a full page in reply to your question but as is common using firefox i pushed the wrong key and poof it is gone...i am too pissed off to write it again as curling is coming on in about 10 minutes and NOTHING and i mean NOTHING is more important than curling, the only true sport...i will respond later..
in general my comments are....
[size=200]BULLSEYE!![/size]it's time to get rid of reserves and the Indian Act. The antiquated system does NOT work. Makes a few people affluent and even less 1 percenters, but it is failing Aboriginals and Canadian taxpayers. Full integration is the ONLY solution that works in the 21st century. It'd almost 2014 and rights are conferred or denied based on ethnicity...un fucking believable. :x
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We see this anywhere all over the world. It's always the impoverished and minorities getting the short end of the stick.
why or how are "we" by which of course you mean white folks failing them....they get free health care, free education, welfare galore, free housing, free food, free travel, free lawyers, free free free....
Now there is a novel thought. I wonder why it is that people who work for a living and don't depend on handouts can come up with and express thoughts like that? :lol:
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We see this anywhere all over the world. It's always the impoverished and minorities getting the short end of the stick.
why or how are "we" by which of course you mean white folks failing them....they get free health care, free education, welfare galore, free housing, free food, free travel, free lawyers, free free free....
Now there is a novel thought. I wonder why it is that people who work for a living and don't depend on handouts can come up with and express thoughts like that? :lol:
I don't expect much to change. A lot of very vocal Aboriginal leaders make a tidy living off the status quo even though it means selling out their fellow Aboriginals. There are some white people in the Dept of Indian and Northern Affairs that have a vested interest in keeping this 19 century system going too. This is the part of Western democracy that really, really sux...pandering.
Blacks, Aboriginals and Hispanics are known to be one of the most crime infested societies.
^^Hey pal, how's it going? Are you waiting for Santa? I have been exceptionally good this year, so my list is longer than normal. ;)
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Myth. First Nations may receive government assistance just as many other Canadians such as yourself have, but they do not get everything for free.
Blacks and their brothers the towelheads suck everywhere... Not just in Canada...
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Myth. First Nations may receive government assistance just as many other Canadians such as yourself have, but they do not get everything for free.
I don't know how it is in Canada but in the US native people on reservations pay no taxes until they conduct business, work or purchase goods outside of the reservation. So unless and Indian is working off the reservation he or she pays no income or payroll taxes. Unless he or she buys something outside federally recognized Indian Lands they pay no sales tax. In that case anything and everything they receive in the form of federal or state government assistance is indeed "free".
I suspect it is similar here.
No damned wonder most stay "on the reservation"
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Myth. First Nations may receive government assistance just as many other Canadians such as yourself have, but they do not get everything for free.
I don't know how it is in Canada but in the US native people on reservations pay no taxes until they conduct business, work or purchase goods outside of the reservation. So unless and Indian is working off the reservation he or she pays no income or payroll taxes. Unless he or she buys something outside federally recognized Indian Lands they pay no sales tax. In that case anything and everything they receive in the form of federal or state government assistance is indeed "free".
It's like that here too Renee. In addition to NO taxes whatsoever(why aren't the occutards whining about Aboriginals not paying their fair share) the following benefits are available to people based on their RACE/ETHNICITY.
http://www.canadabenefits.gc.ca/f.1.2cl.3st@.jsp?geo=5&catid=32
Makes me fucking sick this is still happening in 2013.
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Status Indians may be exempt from some taxes, but not all. Still, they do not get free health care, education, welfare, housing, food, travel and lawyers. They do not get everything for free.
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Myth. First Nations may receive government assistance just as many other Canadians such as yourself have, but they do not get everything for free.
I don't know how it is in Canada but in the US native people on reservations pay no taxes until they conduct business, work or purchase goods outside of the reservation. So unless and Indian is working off the reservation he or she pays no income or payroll taxes. Unless he or she buys something outside federally recognized Indian Lands they pay no sales tax. In that case anything and everything they receive in the form of federal or state government assistance is indeed "free".
It's like that here too Renee. In addition to NO taxes whatsoever(why aren't the occutards whining about Aboriginals not paying their fair share) the following benefits are available to people based on their RACE/ETHNICITY.
http://www.canadabenefits.gc.ca/f.1.2cl.3st@.jsp?geo=5&catid=32
Makes me fucking sick this is still happening in 2013.
Because the "occutards" are all dumbass leftard bleeding hearts who are only resentful of those people who worked hard or were lucky enough to achieved more than they. Somehow these ignorant leftward twats have it in their heads that the rich pay fewer taxes than they do. The ironic part of the whole occupy movement is that almost no one in society pays less taxes that they do. Most occupiers are students, bums and the poor who pay the least amount of taxes in society. Furthermore you will also find that very few of them actually own any property so they don't even pay real-estate taxes. But yet they are the victims and the successful are the enemy.
IMHO most of them are a bunch of out of control spoiled children who would probably shit twice and die at the very thought of having to work and pay their own way.
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Myth. First Nations may receive government assistance just as many other Canadians such as yourself have, but they do not get everything for free.
I don't know how it is in Canada but in the US native people on reservations pay no taxes until they conduct business, work or purchase goods outside of the reservation. So unless and Indian is working off the reservation he or she pays no income or payroll taxes. Unless he or she buys something outside federally recognized Indian Lands they pay no sales tax. In that case anything and everything they receive in the form of federal or state government assistance is indeed "free".
It's like that here too Renee. In addition to NO taxes whatsoever(why aren't the occutards whining about Aboriginals not paying their fair share) the following benefits are available to people based on their RACE/ETHNICITY.
http://www.canadabenefits.gc.ca/f.1.2cl.3st@.jsp?geo=5&catid=32
Makes me fucking sick this is still happening in 2013.
Don´t go with the white girl... Especially older than an egysptian mummy white girls.
You told me that the white women are the most racist people of all... They think you are inferior...
Status Indians in Canada are eligible for a whole host of benefits based on their status and of course their RACE/ETHNICTY. These include housing, prescription drugs, over-the-counter medication, medical supplies and equipment, short-term crisis counselling, dental care, vision care, and medical transportation, tax exempt status, education, fishing and hunting, reduced travel on Via Rail.
http://www.hc-sc.gc.ca/fniah-spnia/nihb-ssna/benefit-prestation/index-eng.php
http://www.aadnc-aandc.gc.ca/eng/1100100028564/1100100028566
http://resources.lss.bc.ca/pdfs/pubs/Benefits-Services-and-Resources-for-Aboriginal-Peoples-eng.pdf
Whatever Aboriginals get, Han Chinese should be eligible for as well.
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Myth. First Nations may receive government assistance just as many other Canadians such as yourself have, but they do not get everything for free.
Homy...for most subjects you barely know fuck all about what you post....when it comes to this issue you know less than fuck all......when you don't work or contribute anything and still get every advantage possible in this country....IT IS BY DEFINITION.....FREE....
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Myth. First Nations may receive government assistance just as many other Canadians such as yourself have, but they do not get everything for free.
Homy...for most subjects you barely know fuck all about what you post....when it comes to this issue you know less than fuck all......when you don't work or contribute anything and still get every advantage possible in this country....IT IS BY DEFINITION.....FREE....
It just pisses me off to the umpteenth degree that eligibility for some benefits is restricted to those of a certain ethnicity. :x
White guilt in action
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Yep and it pisses me off that I have to pay for it. :x
You have to pay for it???
Come to the nordiclands... We have big dicks and big taxes.
I get 4500e per month as base salary. Over half of it goes into taxes. I would like to keep enough to even buy a fucking TV and food afterwards.
No wonder the finnish always do well in america... No1 likes the EU.. Something is making us weak.
The right wing is the only option.
I wish I was born into 19th century so that I can live and fuck my asian or african queen in peace.
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Myth. First Nations may receive government assistance just as many other Canadians such as yourself have, but they do not get everything for free.
Homy...for most subjects you barely know fuck all about what you post....when it comes to this issue you know less than fuck all......when you don't work or contribute anything and still get every advantage possible in this country....IT IS BY DEFINITION.....FREE....
It just pisses me off to the umpteenth degree that eligibility for some benefits is restricted to those of a certain ethnicity. :x
It would seem Native Canadians are in dire need of help Shen Li..
But I can certainly understand why yourself or Mr. Obvious Li would oppose it.
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Homy...for most subjects you barely know fuck all about what you post....when it comes to this issue you know less than fuck all......when you don't work or contribute anything and still get every advantage possible in this country....IT IS BY DEFINITION.....FREE....
It just pisses me off to the umpteenth degree that eligibility for some benefits is restricted to those of a certain ethnicity. :x
It would seem Native Canadians are in dire need of help Shen Li..
But I can certainly understand why yourself or Mr. Obvious Li would oppose it.
you misunderstand.....we both agree they need help......but giving them more money and free shit will not help
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It just pisses me off to the umpteenth degree that eligibility for some benefits is restricted to those of a certain ethnicity. :x
It would seem Native Canadians are in dire need of help Shen Li..
But I can certainly understand why yourself or Mr. Obvious Li would oppose it.
you misunderstand.....we both agree they need help......but giving them more money and free shit will not help
Long term dependency is not a real solution to any problem, so on that I would agree with you and Shen Li.
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It just pisses me off to the umpteenth degree that eligibility for some benefits is restricted to those of a certain ethnicity. :x
It would seem Native Canadians are in dire need of help Shen Li..
But I can certainly understand why yourself or Mr. Obvious Li would oppose it.
you misunderstand.....we both agree they need help......but giving them more money and free shit will not help
We are in agreement on that. That so called "free shit" comes at a steep price though doesn't it? Shorter lifespans, higher rates of depression and suicide. Then there are all those stats the articles quoted about incarceration.
I would never suggest an affected community bears no responsibility for their own lot, don't misunderstand me about that. The first question that should be asked is what any community is doing to help themselves. On the other hand, it would be a bold faced lie to say that there isn't even subtle discrimination in every step of the judicial system.