Title: Trump supporters were mischaracterized by the media-what else is new
Post by: Anonymous on January 08, 2021, 11:36:58 AM
Post by: Anonymous on January 08, 2021, 11:36:58 AM
Marine veteran Tony Good traveled from Florida and walked to the Ellipse to hear President Donald Trump speak in the morning. He said Trump didn't incite violence in his speech.
"No, absolutely not. There's a line between inciting to riot and standing on convictions," Good told The Epoch Times. "He wasn't telling anybody to riot, he was just telling them it's our right to protest. That's a right we have in America."
Good became separated from his group and returned to his hotel to regroup after the speech. He didn't go to the Capitol, but said he wishes he had.
"I call yesterday the first day in the 10-year war," he said. "It's going to be 10 years before this gets turned around. It's going to take that long. War in the sense of ... getting things to where they should be in America, as far as fair and free elections, election integrity.
"We just got to regroup. We're fighting an evil system. When you have all the mainstream media against you and you have all the money going against you, it's not going to be that easy," he said.
'Stand Up for This Country'
Elizabeth Rowell flew alone from Fort Lauderdale, Florida, to join the protests. She found Trump's speech to be "passionate," but not to the point of incitement to riot.
"I never once felt unsafe. I met a lot of great patriots on the way. The entire time we were there, we chanted 'U-S-A' and sang the national anthem," she said.
'Very Disillusioned'
Martha Todd, a retiree from Lynchburg, Virginia, said she felt good about the Jan. 6 protest rally, but didn't hear about the fatal shooting of Ashli Babbitt or the storming of the building until after she left.
"I feel bad about the way things worked out, and I really feel bad the way the media is portraying everything. Of course they're making it all sound terrible ... we're mobsters and mobs and violent. That's not true," she said.
"I'm very disillusioned. But I do not support Biden. His family is a crime family. I just feel like we're screwed. I don't feel like I've lost hope—there's always hope. There's so many people out there that are so against Trump. They lie and cheat and steal—how are you going to fight against that—when they cheat? And they all support each other."
Today, however, Rowell said she's feeling "kind of bummed, because I don't like the way we were portrayed."
"I feel like the media makes it look like the ... people that went inside have now made the rest of us outside look like we're a bunch of hoodlums. But we didn't do anything. We were all there just to be patriotic and support our president," she said.
Title: Re: Trump supporters were mischaracterized by the media-what else is new
Post by: Anonymous on January 08, 2021, 11:44:57 AM
Post by: Anonymous on January 08, 2021, 11:44:57 AM
Self-described conservative Carol Logreco traveled from New Orleans and was at both the Ellipse and the Capitol. She said she wanted to be there to support freedom and the ability to have free and fair elections.
"[We] feel like we're losing a lot of our rights, and that we're on the verge of becoming more of a socialist or Marxist society," she said. "You can see the indoctrination of our children and students and in our communities, and I really felt like this was the last real stance to speak up before we don't have a chance to do that anymore."
She said yesterday felt festive in general, but
"People can go to Portland and Seattle and burn buildings down and take over police stations and everything else, and it's called Summer of Love."
'This Is a Bad Situation'
Mike Morejon, a self-employed Floridian, said he feels "broken" today.
"Because of what my parents lived, I understand the gravity of this—this is a bad situation," he said.
Morejon said his parents lived in Cuba as Fidel Castro took power and lived a difficult life until their escape in the early 1970s.
"They made [my mother] work in agriculture and work her way out of Cuba for four years. She had to go cut sugar cane and pick fruit and vegetables for 14 hours a day as a 17-year-old woman ... away from her family. They would put maggots in their food and rats in their water supply," he said.
Morejon said he fears a similar future is possible in the United States under the control of the globalist elites and the Chinese communist regime. He said Trump has stood up to the Chinese regime, after it got a pass for decades under previous U.S. presidents.
Title: Re: Trump supporters were mischaracterized by the media-what else is new
Post by: Anonymous on January 08, 2021, 11:56:52 AM
Post by: Anonymous on January 08, 2021, 11:56:52 AM
The date of this demonstration was known. This looks more and more like the work of leftist rent a thugs, ie Antifa/BLM.
I don't have concrete evidence—although a lot is floating around—but my instincts tell me what transpired in Washington Wednesday was almost entirely a "false flag" operation and, if I am correct, among the most successful in history.
If Antifa, Black Lives Matter, or whoever else did this, they, and especially whoever controls them, because they are pawns in a much larger game, are to be congratulated.
They managed to change American politics literally in minutes, encouraging many of President Trump's supporters, in and out of Congress, to flee like a flock of panicked birds when a shotgun ratchets, and in the process destroying any possibility of even investigating what transpired in election 2020.
Now I have to admit I wasn't there to witness this. I was on the road between Atlanta and Nashville, listening to the events transpire over satellite radio, but I have attended nearly two dozen Trump rallies over the years and not once—repeat, not once—have I seen any violence initiated by the president's supporters towards persons or material.
I have seen a bit, once or twice, directed towards the MAGA people, with attendant brief scuffles breaking out.
But Trump rallies, as anyone who has attended them knows, are extraordinarily peaceful assemblies of tens of thousands of people, quite remarkable in that sense.
Everything that happened in the Capitol, all the destruction, is characteristic of BLM and Antifa (see Portland, Seattle, Minneapolis, New York, Los Angeles, Washington and on and on), not, until now apparently, Trump supporters.
Something fishy?
More than that. The timing of how and when this transpired is notable, similar, in an odd way, to when Roger Stone was indicted and CNN miraculously appeared at the crack of dawn with full television crew to record the arrest of the "dangerous right-wing criminal" for posterity.
When the "Trump supporters" stormed the Capitol, the media was again Johnny-on-the-spot to cover it with alacrity even before much had happened, immediately branding what was occurring as MAGA people running amuck and finally revealing who they really are.
The rapid, almost instantaneous, nature of this conclusion was clear to me over the radio while driving, although it didn't surprise me, given this is the same media that repeatedly excused or ignored violence by left-wing activists.
I was just as quickly thinking—not taking special credit here, it seemed obvious—that a "false flag" operation could be in progress.
If I was speculating about that, I would assume President Donald J. Trump and some of those around him were too. (Others were clearly ready to jump ship at the slightest prompting.)
This may account for some of the delay in Trump's response for which he is being so heavily criticized.
What actually seems to have occurred we could call a combination of Antifa and Antifa-envy. Led on by disguised leftists, some—not many, considering the immense size of the demonstration—Trump supporters followed the provocateurs into the Capitol almost as if along for a joy ride.
This was foolish, but in some sense understandable. The leftists shouldn't get to have all the teenage fun.
Of course, this wasn't teenage and the leftists are enemies of the state. Meanwhile, the vast majority of the Trump supporters were urging against the entry to the Capitol.
The role of the police in all this, Capitol and D.C., was peculiar to say the least. How were any of these people able to penetrate the corridors of power so easily in the first place?
In some photographs, the Capitol Police seem to be waving the demonstrators into the building. But which demonstrators and why? In other shots they appear to be joking with BLM-types inside the building.
Everything had the whiff of a Banana Republic, only a Banana Republic like no other with 330 million citizens.
So who is behind all this?
It's difficult to know, although we could make some guesses. But facts are necessary and who will investigate? The Department of Justice? The FBI? Not likely these days and even less likely in the coming days.
Perhaps an independent investigation team will do it, if the funding can be found.
Meanwhile, speaking of the "when" of all this, a fascinating article by political scientist Claes Ryn just was published that includes this tidbit:
"In Sweden of all places, an expert on American elections published a series of articles showing that Biden's win in the swing states simply could not be explained without assuming major fraud. Since Donald Trump is even more disdained by the media in Europe than he is here, I was surprised to hear a few European commentators refer to the presidential election as if its fraudulence should be obvious to all."
Perhaps an independent investigation team will do it, if the funding can be found.
Meanwhile, speaking of the "when" of all this, a fascinating article by political scientist Claes Ryn just was published that includes this tidbit:
"In Sweden of all places, an expert on American elections published a series of articles showing that Biden's win in the swing states simply could not be explained without assuming major fraud. Since Donald Trump is even more disdained by the media in Europe than he is here, I was surprised to hear a few European commentators refer to the presidential election as if its fraudulence should be obvious to all."
Perhaps an independent investigation team will do it, if the funding can be found.
Meanwhile, speaking of the "when" of all this, a fascinating article by political scientist Claes Ryn just was published that includes this tidbit:
"In Sweden of all places, an expert on American elections published a series of articles showing that Biden's win in the swing states simply could not be explained without assuming major fraud. Since Donald Trump is even more disdained by the media in Europe than he is here, I was surprised to hear a few European commentators refer to the presidential election as if its fraudulence should be obvious to all."
Title: Re: Trump supporters were mischaracterized by the media-what else is new
Post by: Anonymous on January 08, 2021, 12:03:22 PM
Post by: Anonymous on January 08, 2021, 12:03:22 PM
Title: Re: Trump supporters were mischaracterized by the media-what else is new
Post by: Blazor on January 08, 2021, 12:28:06 PM
Post by: Blazor on January 08, 2021, 12:28:06 PM
You bring up very valid points Seoul, and covered a lot.
My eyes have been fixed on this since lunch time on Wednesday. Its been a tiring couple days. I did all my reporting on BF.
It was Antifa, they were bused in, with a police escort. Video of this. They were dressed as Trump supporters. Fliers were going around prior to the event, saying "we will look like you, act like you, and smell like you". Several have been identified, even as early as Wednesday night. These were the instigators that were riling people up to go into the building. Most did not want to do that. Video even of Trumpers condemning any of the destruction, like the guy trying to break the front window, they took him down. The pic of the guy making off with Pelosi's podium was antifa.
I saved some pics.
I also agree man, that the SUMMER OF LOVE was nothing but, and was praised, encouraged. But not this, not when they got so close to them. Even when the place wasnt looted or burned to the ground.
There is a pic of some of the congress wives receiving envelopes, with looks of surprise prior to the event. We dont know what was in them.
There is video of a guy admitting he was paid to do this, to "fake protest" and instigate.
Even though this happened, I think it went really well for the most part. And shows these politicians that wont listen to us, what to expect. Same thing happened when the South succeeded, they were not being listened to.
I really liked seeing my flag of the South there lolol. LOVED it!
Title: Re: Trump supporters were mischaracterized by the media-what else is new
Post by: Blazor on January 08, 2021, 12:30:10 PM
Post by: Blazor on January 08, 2021, 12:30:10 PM
Title: Re: Trump supporters were mischaracterized by the media-what else is new
Post by: Anonymous on January 08, 2021, 12:49:27 PM
Post by: Anonymous on January 08, 2021, 12:49:27 PM
I also thought it was funny as hell they got into Pelosi's office lol, sat down and put his feet up on her desk lolol. Her computer was on too lol. I heard some hard drives were nabbed.
Pelosi took a knee for rioters this past summer even though they broke into and damaged other people's offices..
When people break into her office, they are not peaceful protesters, but dangerous rioters.
Title: Re: Trump supporters were mischaracterized by the media-what else is new
Post by: Oliver Clotheshoffe on January 08, 2021, 01:21:30 PM
Post by: Oliver Clotheshoffe on January 08, 2021, 01:21:30 PM
Title: Re: Trump supporters were mischaracterized by the media-what else is new
Post by: Anonymous on January 08, 2021, 01:27:36 PM
Post by: Anonymous on January 08, 2021, 01:27:36 PM
Okay it gets a bit into conspiracy theories but I still think this guy is spot on.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UK2f2HlMa6o
Oliver
Title: Re: Trump supporters were mischaracterized by the media-what else is new
Post by: Blazor on January 08, 2021, 01:47:53 PM
Post by: Blazor on January 08, 2021, 01:47:53 PM
Title: Re: Trump supporters were mischaracterized by the media-what else is new
Post by: Anonymous on January 08, 2021, 02:13:38 PM
Post by: Anonymous on January 08, 2021, 02:13:38 PM
Okay it gets a bit into conspiracy theories but I still think this guy is spot on.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UK2f2HlMa6o
Some of it made sense.
Title: Re: Trump supporters were mischaracterized by the media-what else is new
Post by: Anonymous on January 08, 2021, 02:21:27 PM
Post by: Anonymous on January 08, 2021, 02:21:27 PM
Title: Re: Trump supporters were mischaracterized by the media-what else is new
Post by: @realAzhyaAryola on January 08, 2021, 04:37:17 PM
Post by: @realAzhyaAryola on January 08, 2021, 04:37:17 PM
Congress wants to impeach Trump with less than rwo weeks left in his presidency because some people, possibly his supporters, possibly Antifa stormed the capitol building. I find it ironic they don't hold the president-elect and VP-elect responsible for their supporters burning down cities, attacking police and taking over cities.Trump Supporters Take Stock of Jan. 6, Feel Mischaracterized by Media
Marine veteran Tony Good traveled from Florida and walked to the Ellipse to hear President Donald Trump speak in the morning. He said Trump didn't incite violence in his speech.
"No, absolutely not. There's a line between inciting to riot and standing on convictions," Good told The Epoch Times. "He wasn't telling anybody to riot, he was just telling them it's our right to protest. That's a right we have in America."
Good became separated from his group and returned to his hotel to regroup after the speech. He didn't go to the Capitol, but said he wishes he had.
"I call yesterday the first day in the 10-year war," he said. "It's going to be 10 years before this gets turned around. It's going to take that long. War in the sense of ... getting things to where they should be in America, as far as fair and free elections, election integrity.
"We just got to regroup. We're fighting an evil system. When you have all the mainstream media against you and you have all the money going against you, it's not going to be that easy," he said.
'Stand Up for This Country'
Elizabeth Rowell flew alone from Fort Lauderdale, Florida, to join the protests. She found Trump's speech to be "passionate," but not to the point of incitement to riot.
"I never once felt unsafe. I met a lot of great patriots on the way. The entire time we were there, we chanted 'U-S-A' and sang the national anthem," she said.
'Very Disillusioned'
Martha Todd, a retiree from Lynchburg, Virginia, said she felt good about the Jan. 6 protest rally, but didn't hear about the fatal shooting of Ashli Babbitt or the storming of the building until after she left.
"I feel bad about the way things worked out, and I really feel bad the way the media is portraying everything. Of course they're making it all sound terrible ... we're mobsters and mobs and violent. That's not true," she said.
"I'm very disillusioned. But I do not support Biden. His family is a crime family. I just feel like we're screwed. I don't feel like I've lost hope—there's always hope. There's so many people out there that are so against Trump. They lie and cheat and steal—how are you going to fight against that—when they cheat? And they all support each other."
Today, however, Rowell said she's feeling "kind of bummed, because I don't like the way we were portrayed."
"I feel like the media makes it look like the ... people that went inside have now made the rest of us outside look like we're a bunch of hoodlums. But we didn't do anything. We were all there just to be patriotic and support our president," she said.https://www.theepochtimes.com/trump-supporters-take-stock-of-jan-6-feel-mischaracterized-by-media_3648416.html?utm_source=morningbriefnoe&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=mb-2021-01-08
Title: Re: Trump supporters were mischaracterized by the media-what else is new
Post by: @realAzhyaAryola on January 08, 2021, 04:39:03 PM
Post by: @realAzhyaAryola on January 08, 2021, 04:39:03 PM
Im surprised this is one of the only threads on what has transpired Wednesday lol.
You bring up very valid points Seoul, and covered a lot.
My eyes have been fixed on this since lunch time on Wednesday. Its been a tiring couple days. I did all my reporting on BF.
It was Antifa, they were bused in, with a police escort. Video of this. They were dressed as Trump supporters. Fliers were going around prior to the event, saying "we will look like you, act like you, and smell like you". Several have been identified, even as early as Wednesday night. These were the instigators that were riling people up to go into the building. Most did not want to do that. Video even of Trumpers condemning any of the destruction, like the guy trying to break the front window, they took him down. The pic of the guy making off with Pelosi's podium was antifa.
I saved some pics.
I also agree man, that the SUMMER OF LOVE was nothing but, and was praised, encouraged. But not this, not when they got so close to them. Even when the place wasnt looted or burned to the ground.
There is a pic of some of the congress wives receiving envelopes, with looks of surprise prior to the event. We dont know what was in them.
There is video of a guy admitting he was paid to do this, to "fake protest" and instigate.
Even though this happened, I think it went really well for the most part. And shows these politicians that wont listen to us, what to expect. Same thing happened when the South succeeded, they were not being listened to.
I really liked seeing my flag of the South there lolol. LOVED it!
I posted this yesterday. It's my observation.
"For 8 years of Obama, there were enough angry conservatives but they did not riot and pillage the capitol like they supposedly did yesterday. Since the Spring, BLM and ANTIFA have ruined cities looting, rioting and pillaging. Around the time the USA is bracing for a possible retaliation from Iran over the assassination of one of their revered leaders and the Capitol was supposed to be a target, you tell me that the Capitol police and reinforcements allowed an angry mob to get in without a wall of police preventing them from going further in? Conservatives align themselves with the police that is why we do not approve of "DEFUND THE POLICE" but yesterday they all of a sudden decide to fight with the police? Something here smells very fishy to me."
I'd like to add that I assume the Capitol police did not think this kind of chaos would erupt from Trump supporters because that is not the blueprint of Trump supporters that is why they were ill-prepared.
Title: Re: Trump supporters were mischaracterized by the media-what else is new
Post by: @realAzhyaAryola on January 08, 2021, 04:41:01 PM
Post by: @realAzhyaAryola on January 08, 2021, 04:41:01 PM
Okay it gets a bit into conspiracy theories but I still think this guy is spot on.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UK2f2HlMa6o
As a citizen who would like to treat others the way I would like to be treated, I gave his video the benefit of the doubt. I listened to him. However, I refuse to be schooled by him. Like the others, I agree that some of it made sense but I will leave it at that.
Title: Re: Trump supporters were mischaracterized by the media-what else is new
Post by: @realAzhyaAryola on January 08, 2021, 04:43:30 PM
Post by: @realAzhyaAryola on January 08, 2021, 04:43:30 PM
Title: Re: Trump supporters were mischaracterized by the media-what else is new
Post by: Anonymous on January 08, 2021, 05:08:47 PM
Post by: Anonymous on January 08, 2021, 05:08:47 PM
Does anyone here believe that Trump incited the crowd?
I sure as hell don't.
Title: Re: Trump supporters were mischaracterized by the media-what else is new
Post by: Anonymous on January 08, 2021, 05:11:42 PM
Post by: Anonymous on January 08, 2021, 05:11:42 PM
I assume the Capitol police did not think this kind of chaos would erupt from Trump supporters because that is not the blueprint of Trump supporters that is why they were ill-prepared.Quote
Many Trump supporters are former Tea Partiers. They were the epitome of peaceful responsible protests.
Title: Re: Trump supporters were mischaracterized by the media-what else is new
Post by: Anonymous on January 08, 2021, 05:18:33 PM
Post by: Anonymous on January 08, 2021, 05:18:33 PM
There's hypocrisy on both sides.
There's been a lot of misinformation surrounding this riot; a lot of accusations, a lot of assumptions, and way too much hate-filled social media warfare.
First things first: how did this riot begin in the first place?
The media would like you to believe that Trump sent out a video to all his supporters, commanding them to form an army on his behalf.
That's not the case. The reason so many people were upset this Wednesday was because an election was being certified that still had a lot of unanswered questions.
There have been so many reports of voter-fraud, so many videos of ballots being torn or removed, and quite honestly a lot of talk from Trump himself about fraud that has had many Americans scratching their heads.
How much of this is true? I doubt anyone is entirely sure. Trump certainly hasn't reported the facts.
The likely truth is that even if there was fraud, there's no way it was widespread enough to cause a difference of 7 million votes, and 74 electoral college votes.
But although Biden has been declared the winner, and the media has tried to move on (faster than what they should have), Trump and his supporters have not. They have wanted a recount, and the Trump team has challenged numerous states in court.
Because of the general unrest this election stirred up, there was a message on the minds of many Americans on Wednesday morning: this election has been rigged. Some of those Americans made the decision to head to Capitol Hill and try to fight the results.
Before proceeding, it's important to identify that yes, there is cause for concern. Although I believe Biden is the winner of this election, the amount of uncertainty about the voting machines, the accuracy of the counting, and the potential votes from deceased citizens does stir up some feelings of distrust.
People don't trust the electoral process right now. Plain and simple. Democrats didn't trust it when Trump won, Republicans didn't trust it when Obama won and they certainly don't trust it now.
The process needs to be refined; there has to be less room for error in the most important decision a country can make.
Due to all the questions in the air, Trump and his supporters felt as if Biden had cheated his way into power. And this led to Trump saying Wednesday morning, "We're going to walk down to the Capitol, and cheer on our brave congressmen and women...and we probably won't be cheering so much for some of them".
So yes, Trump did tell supporters to go to the Capitol, not to start a riot, but to try to protest illegal ballots. Was this the best decision? Probably not.
I'm not going to defend Trump here. He thinks he won, he's refused to concede, he's made his supporters angry with the left, and now he's told them to head to Capitol Hill to protest.
The way that protests have trended within the past year, the term "peaceful" has not been applicable. This riot was no different. Enraged Republicans (and presumably many troublemakers who saw a crowd form) stormed Capitol Hill.
People literally begin to scale the walls and broke into the building to stop the ballot counting
A woman was shot by Capitol Police within the building, another officer died during the action, and 3 others were fatally injured.
This violence was absolutely senseless. The entire riot was senseless. There was nothing that was going to be accomplished by raiding the building, and Republicans need to face that truth.
Antifa's involvement has not been proven, there's no evidence that meddling Democrats joined the mob to make Republicans look bad.
Republicans need to condemn the violence that occurred Wednesday. It doesn't matter how much distrust there was in the results, lives should not have been taken because of them.
Many Republicans were against the BLM riots that occurred this summer, where dozens died across the USA. There's no need for a double standard here, the riots that took place this week and in May/June are equally destructive to the unity of the nation.
Do the deaths caused in the summer represent the agenda of all Democrats? Absolutely not. Similarly, the deaths caused this week are not representative of the greater Republican party.
Extremists should never be identified as the 'norm'. What has happened in America is that each party has identified the other as completely evil, when instead there are many closer to the middle ground.
Political commentator Matt Walsh put it wonderfully on his Twitter, "If you defended the BLM riots but are condemning the riot today, you're a ridiculous hypocrite. If you condemned the BLM riots but are defending the riot today, you're a ridiculous hypocrite. It is better not to be a ridiculous hypocrite".
Speaking of Twitter, another item that must be addressed is the deactivation of Trump's social media accounts.
As already established, Trump did not tell his supporters to break into a building and start attacking people.
However, Facebook and Twitter both suspended Trump's accounts for 24 hours and threatened to permanently deactivate them.
Trump explicitly said on his social media accounts that he does not condone the violence, and he told supporters to go home. He also said, "we love you all".
The media interpreted this to mean that Trump loves the protestors and is therefore encouraging violence. Trump was merely saying that he loves his supporters, and made it very clear in a series of Tweets in videos that he does not condone any violence.
It's a dangerous world we live in when voices can be silenced with the click of a button. While Trump should not have spread so much fear, he is also not solely to blame for the large amounts of rhetoric that was spewed from many others.
He told those supporting him to back down, he condemned the violence, and yet the left has interpreted this to be a complete embrace of the riots.
Just as the right needs to be honest about the reality of what happened yesterday, the left similarly needs to understand that this chaos is not an exclusively Republican issue. This is the culmination of months of hate from both parties.
America needs to unify during these trying times, or this will be the end of the United States.
"A house divided against itself cannot stand"- Abraham Lincoln.
Title: Re: Trump supporters were mischaracterized by the media-what else is new
Post by: Anonymous on January 08, 2021, 06:04:31 PM
Post by: Anonymous on January 08, 2021, 06:04:31 PM
Title: Re: Trump supporters were mischaracterized by the media-what else is new
Post by: Anonymous on January 08, 2021, 09:26:19 PM
Post by: Anonymous on January 08, 2021, 09:26:19 PM
There's been much controversy over who exactly forcefully entered the Capitol building during Wednesday's protest. They've been labeled solely as Trump supporters by most legacy media. But video footage appears to show a different picture.
Title: Re: Trump supporters were mischaracterized by the media-what else is new
Post by: Anonymous on January 08, 2021, 10:07:15 PM
Post by: Anonymous on January 08, 2021, 10:07:15 PM
They have falsely claimed US President Donald J. Trump incited violence yesterday. He didn't. He publicly called for "peace" and "law and order". Repeatedly.
They have also falsely claimed that a lawful protest from which a small percentage of protesters began a riot was an "insurrection" and a "coup" attempt. It wasn't. It was a mob vandalising and illegally entering the US Congress, not a coup or an insurrection.
The Left and the fake news media have a long track record of talking down violent protests, until one is caused by Trump supporters.
Here's but a smattering of their hypocrisy when it comes to Black Lives Matters protests vs what went down at Congress:
Interestingly, none of these comments in blatant support, defence or apology of violent protests earned any of these people bans on social media. The tech tyrants who run Facebook and Twitter are thus also hypocrites and a disgrace for silencing Trump and his supporters.
And the Left and fake news media have curiously never called any left-wing protest or riot in any congress an "insurrection" or "coup" before when plenty have occurred.
Take these examples:
None of this was labelled insurrection or terrorist. Instead we had several Democratic Senators join the occupation of the Hart Building and it was declared that "this is what democracy looks like".
As I said, the Left and the fake news media are both hypocrites and a disgrace. As are the tech tyrants who run the social media platforms.
Title: Re: Trump supporters were mischaracterized by the media-what else is new
Post by: Anonymous on January 08, 2021, 10:09:51 PM
Post by: Anonymous on January 08, 2021, 10:09:51 PM
Title: Re: Trump supporters were mischaracterized by the media-what else is new
Post by: Anonymous on January 08, 2021, 10:19:59 PM
Post by: Anonymous on January 08, 2021, 10:19:59 PM
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The hypocrisy from American politicians about the vandalism and illegal entry into the Capitol building makes me..
All through the summer the same politicians who accuse Donald Trump of inciting violence and try to remove him with about ten days left in his presidency called people who illegally and violently occupied government builders
Title: Re: Trump supporters were mischaracterized by the media-what else is new
Post by: Anonymous on January 08, 2021, 10:30:13 PM
Post by: Anonymous on January 08, 2021, 10:30:13 PM
In 1996, Leftists rioted, assaulted police and broke into the Australian Parliament and vandalised it, after attending a nearby peaceful protest which the labour movement organised and at which the then Labor leader spoke. No media outlet called it an "insurrection" or a "coup" attempt, nor did they blame the then Labor leader for it. Yet the Australian media have blamed Trump with the situation in the US.Quote
I remember that. The CBC didn't blame the leader of the Labour party for inciting violence.
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Post by: Anonymous on January 08, 2021, 11:02:30 PM
Post by: Anonymous on January 08, 2021, 11:02:30 PM
Have fun people and try not to think about the fact our continent is ran by an authortarian globalist cartel.
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Post by: Anonymous on January 08, 2021, 11:26:20 PM
Post by: Anonymous on January 08, 2021, 11:26:20 PM
North America's media makes the People's Daily look impartial, but what can we do. The US now has a federal government that will destroy livelihoods/jobs, raise taxes, encroach on state jurisdiction, let anybody cross it's border and give the proceeds from green tax levies to billionaires to spend on dubious things like True Dope does. Again, what can we do.
Have fun people and try not to think about the fact our continent is ran by an authortarian globalist cartel.
Fun will be in limited supply.
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Post by: Anonymous on January 08, 2021, 11:56:19 PM
Post by: Anonymous on January 08, 2021, 11:56:19 PM
A Black Lives Matter activist was part of the group that entered the U.S. Capitol on Wednesday.
John Earle Sullivan, who has advocated for an armed revolution on social media, was arrested in July 2020 for making a threat of violence and criminal mischief. He organized a protest with Black Lives Matter activists and members of the far-left Antifa network. According to the Deseret News, Sullivan damaged vehicles and urged people to block roadways. Video footage captured him threatening to beat a woman.
Photographs showed Sullivan inside the Capitol in Washington on Jan. 6. Sullivan has since given interviews claiming he took part in the illegal breach of the building as part of an effort to understand supporters of President Donald Trump.
"For me, it's important from the group and the people around me to see that side of things, to see the truth," Sullivan told KSL-TV. "I don't care, like what side you're on, you should just see it raw."
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Post by: Thiel on January 09, 2021, 12:15:48 AM
Post by: Thiel on January 09, 2021, 12:15:48 AM
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Post by: Anonymous on January 09, 2021, 03:41:25 PM
Post by: Anonymous on January 09, 2021, 03:41:25 PM
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Post by: Anonymous on January 09, 2021, 04:19:33 PM
Post by: Anonymous on January 09, 2021, 04:19:33 PM
-Kamala Harris said "protesters should not let up," as cities burned public buildings were ransacked far more than the the Capitol building and people lost their lives.
-Maxine Waters, D-Calif., is quoted as saying: "If you see anybody from that Cabinet in a restaurant, in a department store, at a gasoline station, you get out and create a crowd and you push back on them, and you tell them they're not welcome anymore, anywhere."
-Nancy Pelosi downplaying the violence rocking U.S. cities, ignorantly saying, "People will do what they do."
-Nancy Pelosi downplaying the violence rocking U.S. cities, ignorantly saying, "People will do what they do."
-President Biden himself while half-heartedly denouncing violent mobs that did far worse than what a few vandals and ANTIFA/BLM gatecrashers caused in DC, cannot bring himself to denounce the movement that is causing the violence. You have to denounce the people who are associated with the violence.
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Post by: cc on January 09, 2021, 04:46:26 PM
Post by: cc on January 09, 2021, 04:46:26 PM
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Post by: cc on January 09, 2021, 04:46:55 PM
Post by: cc on January 09, 2021, 04:46:55 PM
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Post by: Anonymous on January 09, 2021, 05:12:09 PM
Post by: Anonymous on January 09, 2021, 05:12:09 PM
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Post by: cc on January 09, 2021, 05:18:55 PM
Post by: cc on January 09, 2021, 05:18:55 PM
Twitter's decision to permanently ban President Donald Trump is "un-American" and parallels censorship under communist China, Secretary of State Mike Pompeo said on Jan. 9.
"Silencing speech is dangerous. It's un-American. Sadly, this isn't a new tactic of the Left. They've worked to silence opposing voices for years," he wrote in a tweet.
"We cannot let them silence 75M Americans.
As I said earlier today, it now is the CCP
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Post by: Anonymous on January 09, 2021, 06:02:51 PM
Post by: Anonymous on January 09, 2021, 06:02:51 PM
Must be hotlinking protection - funny though, I always see em even with VPN onPompeo Calls Twitter's Ban on Trump 'Un-American,' Compares It to Chinese Communist Censorship(//pompeo-calls-twitters-ban-on-trump-un-american-compares-it-to-chinese-communist-censorship_3650324.html)
Twitter's decision to permanently ban President Donald Trump is "un-American" and parallels censorship under communist China, Secretary of State Mike Pompeo said on Jan. 9.
"Silencing speech is dangerous. It's un-American. Sadly, this isn't a new tactic of the Left. They've worked to silence opposing voices for years," he wrote in a tweet.
"We cannot let them silence 75M Americans.This isn't the CCP," he added, referring to the Chinese Communist Party's weaponization of technology and social media to monitor and suppress dissent.
As I said earlier today, it now is the CCP
Large social media are the biggest and most dangerous corporations in North America.
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Post by: cc on January 09, 2021, 07:17:14 PM
Post by: cc on January 09, 2021, 07:17:14 PM
1984 is not an unfair analogy to apply to them
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Post by: Anonymous on January 09, 2021, 07:30:21 PM
Post by: Anonymous on January 09, 2021, 07:30:21 PM
The other one, would be the democratic alternative. It would have opportunity for all, an education system instead of a doctrination system, liberty for all instead of just the rich and connected, an impartial justice sytem and free and fair elections. The party of Trump would dominate, but this republic, unlike the Big Technica Republic would welcome a marketplace of ideas.
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Post by: Anonymous on January 09, 2021, 07:36:59 PM
Post by: Anonymous on January 09, 2021, 07:36:59 PM
An Arizona man seen in photos wearing a viking helmet, face paint and wielding a spear inside the U.S. Capitol this week was arrested on Saturday on federal charges, prosecutors announced.
Jacob Anthony Chansley, known as Jake Angeli, was charged with knowingly entering or remaining in any restricted building or grounds without lawful authority, and with violent entry and disorderly conduct on Capitol grounds.
He was taken into custody on Saturday, according to the U.S. attorney's office in Washington, D.C.
Shirtless, covered in tattoos and body paint, Chansley was seen wearing a Viking helmet and carrying a spear through the Capitol building. He posed for photos in a chair inside the Senate chamber which Vice President Mike Pence had occupied hours earlier as part of the process to verify the results of the Electoral College.
Members of the mob had splintered off from a rally at which President Donald Trump had called on his supporters to protest the vote to certify the results of the Electoral College.
"It is alleged that Chansley was identified as the man seen in media coverage who entered the Capitol building dressed in horns, a bearskin headdress, red, white and blue face paint, shirtless, and tan pants. This individual carried a spear, approximately 6 feet in length, with an American flag tied just below the blade," reads an affidavit from a special agent with the U.S. Capitol Police.
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Post by: Anonymous on January 10, 2021, 02:10:24 AM
Post by: Anonymous on January 10, 2021, 02:10:24 AM
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Post by: Anonymous on January 10, 2021, 12:34:08 PM
Post by: Anonymous on January 10, 2021, 12:34:08 PM
John Sullivan, videographer and founder of "a group for racial justice and police reform," posted a video on YouTube on Jan. 7 that shows him entering the Capitol building in Washington with a group of Trump supporters and possibly others on the previous day. He's heard on video encouraging others and convincing Capitol police to let the trespassers through at several impasses. The video also reveals further details about the situation that led to the death of Ashley Babbitt, an Air Force veteran shot inside the building by Capitol Police.
Sullivan is known for taking part in protests and riots connected with the Black Lives Matter movement, which was founded by Marxist organizers.
In July, he was arrested in Utah for alleged rioting, making a threat of violence, and criminal mischief due to his part in a protest that resulted in the shooting of a motorist.
"As a protest organizer, John Sullivan is heard talking about seeing the shooting, looking at the gun, and seeing smoke coming from it. John did not condemn the attempted murder nor attempt to stop it nor aide in its investigation by police," the police affidavit said, Desert News reported.
"An armed revolution is the only way to bring about change effectively," he said in a Dec. 28 tweet.
On Jan. 2, Sullivan wrote in a tweet: "[Expletive] The System – Time To Burn It All Down. #blm #antifa #burn #[expletive]thesystem #abolishcapitalism #abolishthepolice #acab #[expletive]trump."
Sullivan also uses the moniker "Jayden X" online and is the founder of "Insurgence USA," which describes itself as started "in 2020 in response to the George Floyd tragedy," referring to the Minnesota man who died after ingesting a potentially lethal amount of Fentanyl and was then pinned down during an arrest with a police officer kneeling on his neck.
In his graphic video from the Jan. 6 storming of the Capitol, Sullivan can be heard saying "let's burn this [expletive] down," before entering the building.
In response to criticism on Twitter, Sullivan responded by saying he was there only to report and his actions were "part of blending in, so I don't get beat up."
But the video shows he was actively helping convince Capitol police officers to let the trespassers through as well as encouraging the trespassers to continue pushing forward.
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Post by: Anonymous on January 10, 2021, 01:11:07 PM
Post by: Anonymous on January 10, 2021, 01:11:07 PM
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Post by: Anonymous on January 10, 2021, 07:09:59 PM
Post by: Anonymous on January 10, 2021, 07:09:59 PM
The left has decided this is an opportunity to destroy the right, so if you ever voted for Donald Trump, if you ever supported anything he did, you are just as guilty as the people who went into that Capitol," he said.
Rubio insisted the Democrats are using the riot to advance their political agenda and to discuss another impeachment campaign that will never happen.
"So it's unfortunate that instead of unifying us right now, Biden [and] the Democrats have chosen to use this an opportunity to talk about ridiculous things like 'let's impeach a president,' who isn't even going to be in office in about nine days
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Post by: Anonymous on January 10, 2021, 11:07:10 PM
Post by: Anonymous on January 10, 2021, 11:07:10 PM
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Post by: Anonymous on January 10, 2021, 11:22:27 PM
Post by: Anonymous on January 10, 2021, 11:22:27 PM
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Post by: cc on January 11, 2021, 12:23:36 AM
Post by: cc on January 11, 2021, 12:23:36 AM
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Post by: Anonymous on January 11, 2021, 12:28:57 AM
Post by: Anonymous on January 11, 2021, 12:28:57 AM
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Nancy Pelosi didn't seem to object when ANTIFA entered property that wasn't theirs all summer long..
She suddenly cares about obeying the law when her office was entered.
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Post by: Anonymous on January 11, 2021, 01:07:45 AM
Post by: Anonymous on January 11, 2021, 01:07:45 AM
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Post by: Odinson on January 11, 2021, 01:24:56 AM
Post by: Odinson on January 11, 2021, 01:24:56 AM
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Post by: Anonymous on January 11, 2021, 01:27:52 AM
Post by: Anonymous on January 11, 2021, 01:27:52 AM
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Post by: Odinson on January 11, 2021, 01:32:02 AM
Post by: Odinson on January 11, 2021, 01:32:02 AM
Whether it was antifa or the trump-supporters who invaded the capitol, it served those senators right.
You reap what you sow and the democrats didnt condemn antifa/blm riots.
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Post by: Anonymous on January 11, 2021, 01:43:31 AM
Post by: Anonymous on January 11, 2021, 01:43:31 AM
Not to mention the more recent event of "Chaz".Whether it was antifa or the trump-supporters who invaded the capitol, it served those senators right.
You reap what you sow and the democrats didnt condemn antifa/blm riots.
BULLSEYE!! That's all I've got to say about the Dems' blatant hypocrisy and bullying all opposition into submission or extinction. God bless the United Socialist States of America. They're going to need divine intervention.
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Post by: Anonymous on January 11, 2021, 01:44:00 AM
Post by: Anonymous on January 11, 2021, 01:44:00 AM
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Post by: Anonymous on January 11, 2021, 01:55:56 AM
Post by: Anonymous on January 11, 2021, 01:55:56 AM
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Post by: Odinson on January 11, 2021, 01:57:19 AM
Post by: Odinson on January 11, 2021, 01:57:19 AM
It should be cut into pieces like Standard Oil.
Big part of capitalism is to ensure competition... Prevent monopolies and cartels.
Certain peeps wont like it but its necessary.
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Post by: Anonymous on January 11, 2021, 11:55:54 AM
Post by: Anonymous on January 11, 2021, 11:55:54 AM
Google is too big...
It should be cut into pieces like Standard Oil.
Big part of capitalism is to ensure competition... Prevent monopolies and cartels.
Certain peeps wont like it but its necessary.
Monopolies are very bad..
The only thing I agreed with generalissimo Chiang Kai Shek about was his opposition to monopolies..
Which is why Taiwan never followed the massive conglomerate development model that Japan and South Korea did.
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Post by: Anonymous on January 11, 2021, 02:36:35 PM
Post by: Anonymous on January 11, 2021, 02:36:35 PM
Trump told the crowd beforehand that their protest suggests "the kind of pride and boldness that they need to take back our country" and "let us walk down Pennsylvania Avenue." The president did not tell the protesters to breach the Capitol or commit acts of violence and later condemned the violence that did occur. Trump told the protesters to "peacefully and patriotically make your voices be heard."
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Post by: Anonymous on January 11, 2021, 02:46:04 PM
Post by: Anonymous on January 11, 2021, 02:46:04 PM
The George Washington University Law School explained in an essay for The Hill:
The author Franz Kafka once wrote, "My guiding principle is this. Guilt is never to be doubted." Democrats suddenly appear close to adopting that standard into the Constitution as they prepare for a second impeachment of President Trump. With seeking his removal for incitement, Democrats would gut not only the impeachment standard but also free speech, all in a mad rush to remove Trump just days before his term ends.
Democrats are seeking to remove Trump on the basis of his remarks to supporters before the rioting at the Capitol. Like others, I condemned those remarks as he gave them, calling them reckless and wrong. I also opposed the challenges to electoral votes in Congress. But his address does not meet the definition for incitement under the criminal code. It would be viewed as protected speech by the Supreme Court.
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Post by: Anonymous on January 11, 2021, 08:56:30 PM
Post by: Anonymous on January 11, 2021, 08:56:30 PM
Remember in 2018 during the Kavanaugh hearings when a mob of Democrats stormed the U.S. Supreme Court building in Washington, DC, and pounded their fists in rage on the door. We were told, "It's understandable."
Remember this summer's riots in major cities across the country when groups of Democrats marched in the streets, set buildings on fire, looted businesses, assaulted and even killed bystanders and police? We were told, "These are mostly peaceful protests."
Remember when Democrats seized several blocks of the Capitol Hill neighborhood in downtown Seattle, declaring it an autonomous zone? Remember the guns and deaths and utter destruction? We were told, "It's a block party atmosphere."
Remember when a crazed mob gathered after the Republican National Convention and attacked Rand Paul, a sitting U.S. Senator? We were told, "No justice, no peace."
Remember how police were told to stand down, governors refused to call in the national guard, and Democrats paid bail for violent protesters who were arrested? We were told, "This is the only way oppressed people can be heard."
I have condemned violent protests and lawlessness every single time they've been reported. I condemn the actions of those who stormed the Capitol yesterday. But I refuse to condemn hundreds of thousands of peaceful protestors because a handful (52 arrested) chose to be lawless and to defy everything the vast majority of the crowd stood for. Conservatives are defenders of the Constitution, the police, and the rule of law. Because a relative few people decided to do something stupid doesn't nullify the concerns of the many.
The real culprit here? The mainstream media has been telling us for years that violence is the only way people who feel oppressed can be heard, it's the only way to get justice, and this is what democracy looks like. Apparently, a few who were in the crowd on Wednesday listened to them.
The inflammatory rhetoric of the Left caused this, and it's about time Democrats and the mainstream media took responsibility for dividing Americans and attempting to humiliate those who support the President or any conservative ideals. They have pushed people to the brink, even while claiming, "It's time for unity." It's time for careful reflection and change on all sides. God help us!
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Post by: Thiel on January 11, 2021, 11:42:12 PM
Post by: Thiel on January 11, 2021, 11:42:12 PM
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Post by: Odinson on January 12, 2021, 01:48:44 AM
Post by: Odinson on January 12, 2021, 01:48:44 AM
Google is too big...
It should be cut into pieces like Standard Oil.
Big part of capitalism is to ensure competition... Prevent monopolies and cartels.
Certain peeps wont like it but its necessary.
Monopolies are very bad..
The only thing I agreed with generalissimo Chiang Kai Shek about was his opposition to monopolies..
Which is why Taiwan never followed the massive conglomerate development model that Japan and South Korea did.
Monopolies have always been a bad thing in the west.
The basis of capitalism is competition and ensuring competition.
Thats why the USA broke Rockefellers Standard Oil into smaller companies... That was over a hundred years ago.
These modern big companies have cartel-like cohesion.
They do the same things even though they are supposed to be rivals.
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Post by: Anonymous on January 12, 2021, 01:54:40 AM
Post by: Anonymous on January 12, 2021, 01:54:40 AM
Google is too big...
It should be cut into pieces like Standard Oil.
Big part of capitalism is to ensure competition... Prevent monopolies and cartels.
Certain peeps wont like it but its necessary.
Monopolies are very bad..
The only thing I agreed with generalissimo Chiang Kai Shek about was his opposition to monopolies..
Which is why Taiwan never followed the massive conglomerate development model that Japan and South Korea did.
Monopolies have always been a bad thing in the west.
The basis of capitalism is competition and ensuring competition.
Thats why the USA broke Rockefellers Standard Oil into smaller companies... That was over a hundred years ago.
These modern big companies have cartel-like cohesion.
They do the same things even though they are supposed to be rivals.
Monoploies and corrupt governments go hand in hand too..
Taiwan has been able to avoid the type of collusion seen between conglomerates and the government that has plagued South Korea because it has encouraged a more competitive marketplace.
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Post by: Anonymous on January 14, 2021, 06:11:06 PM
Post by: Anonymous on January 14, 2021, 06:11:06 PM
Rep McClintock: 'If We Had Prosecuted BLM And Antifa ... With The Same Determination,' Capitol Riot Might Not Have Happened
Republican California Rep. Tom McClintock said Wednesday that there might not have been any Capitol riot if the Black Lives Matter (BLM) and antifa rioters had been prosecuted "with the same determination" as impeachment.
"If we had prosecuted BLM and antifa rioters across the country with the same determination these last six months, this incident may not have happened at all," McClintock said in a speech on the floor of the House of Representatives, which is considering whether to impeach President Donald Trump.
McClintock called impeachment "the most solemn and consequential act that Congress can take" next to declaring war but suggested it was not being used with discretion.
"To use it in this manner, in the heat of the moment, with no hearings, no due process, many members phoning in their votes after a hastily called debate, exactly one week before a new president is to take office, trivializes this power to the point of caricature."
He noted that the Democratic Party now controls the House, Senate and presidency: "in a republic that calls for magnanimity by the victors, only in a banana republic does it call for vengeance."
McClintock said making "intemperate" speech into a high crime and misdemeanor is a dangerous step. "The moment any member of this body gives an impassioned speech and a lunatic fringe of their movement takes license from it, be prepared to answer to this new precedent that we established today."
He suggested he could find plenty of evidence of "provocative speeches made by Democrats that directly preceded violence this summer" as rioters and looters ransacked American cities.
"I cannot think of a more petty, vindictive and gratuitous act than to impeach an already defeated president a week before he is to leave office," the congressman said, adding that this "unconstitutional act" makes a "mockery" out of President-elect Joe Biden's pledge to restore national unity.
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Post by: Anonymous on January 14, 2021, 06:37:17 PM
Post by: Anonymous on January 14, 2021, 06:37:17 PM
The Black Lives Matter activist who was seen storming the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6 was arrested and charged, the Department of Justice said Thursday.
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Post by: Anonymous on January 14, 2021, 08:48:09 PM
Post by: Anonymous on January 14, 2021, 08:48:09 PM
If Trump if guilty of incendiary speech leading to rioting, than half the House democRAT caucus and the VP should be impeached too.
Rep McClintock: 'If We Had Prosecuted BLM And Antifa ... With The Same Determination,' Capitol Riot Might Not Have Happenedhttps://dailycaller.com/2021/01/13/rep-tom-mcclintock-prosecuted-blm-antifa-determination-capitol-riot-might-not-happened/?utm_source=piano&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=2360&pnespid=j7dtueAEBRKNAw5Phx1MthbdUvolL7c7kNbUn5ob
Republican California Rep. Tom McClintock said Wednesday that there might not have been any Capitol riot if the Black Lives Matter (BLM) and antifa rioters had been prosecuted "with the same determination" as impeachment.
"If we had prosecuted BLM and antifa rioters across the country with the same determination these last six months, this incident may not have happened at all," McClintock said in a speech on the floor of the House of Representatives, which is considering whether to impeach President Donald Trump.
McClintock called impeachment "the most solemn and consequential act that Congress can take" next to declaring war but suggested it was not being used with discretion.
"To use it in this manner, in the heat of the moment, with no hearings, no due process, many members phoning in their votes after a hastily called debate, exactly one week before a new president is to take office, trivializes this power to the point of caricature."
He noted that the Democratic Party now controls the House, Senate and presidency: "in a republic that calls for magnanimity by the victors, only in a banana republic does it call for vengeance."
McClintock said making "intemperate" speech into a high crime and misdemeanor is a dangerous step. "The moment any member of this body gives an impassioned speech and a lunatic fringe of their movement takes license from it, be prepared to answer to this new precedent that we established today."
He suggested he could find plenty of evidence of "provocative speeches made by Democrats that directly preceded violence this summer" as rioters and looters ransacked American cities.
"I cannot think of a more petty, vindictive and gratuitous act than to impeach an already defeated president a week before he is to leave office," the congressman said, adding that this "unconstitutional act" makes a "mockery" out of President-elect Joe Biden's pledge to restore national unity.
BLM and Antifa are Dem constituencies. If Trump is held responsible for a minority of his supporters illegally entering the Capitol, than Dem congress members are responsible for illegally entering police and government buildings in Seattle and Portland.
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Post by: Anonymous on January 15, 2021, 05:30:25 PM
Post by: Anonymous on January 15, 2021, 05:30:25 PM
On the heels of the breach of the U.S. Capitol, Big Tech companies have swiftly censored the President, the emerging social media platform Parler was effectively shut down, and there are growing calls for no-fly lists.
Does the assault on the Capitol warrant such a response?
"We're living in a gigantic lie that is reminiscent of the Reichstag fire," argues talk show host Dennis Prager, founder of Prager University.
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Post by: Anonymous on January 15, 2021, 05:54:46 PM
Post by: Anonymous on January 15, 2021, 05:54:46 PM
Some commentators and elected officials have suggested that antifa was responsible for the Capitol riots on Jan. 6.
Only one person charged in D.C. federal court so far in connection to the riot had apparent ties to antifa.
Six reporters with the Daily Caller and the Daily Caller News Foundation who covered the Capitol riot on the ground said the crowd descended into violence after mob mentality kicked in.
Federal investigators are looking into whether there was an organized subsection of instigators at the Capitol riot that riled the crowd up into a frenzy, according to CNN. The FBI is examining evidence that indicates some participants at President Donald Trump's rally outside the White House left early to retrieve weapons for use at the Capitol, CNN reported.
Caller Chief Video Editor Richie McGinniss, who was inside the Capitol building covering the riot, noted that there was a small subsection of the mob that came dressed in all black with masks that concealed their identity and weapons to commit vandalism.
John Sullivan of Utah is the only known left-wing activist who has been charged in D.C. federal court for participating in the Capitol riot. Sullivan, who founded the social justice group Insurgence USA and describes himself as "anti-fascist," told a local news outlet he was at the Capitol on Jan. 6 solely to document the event.
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Post by: cc on January 15, 2021, 07:53:16 PM
Post by: cc on January 15, 2021, 07:53:16 PM
FBI and Department of Justice blasted for 'Crossfire Hurricane' investigation
EXCLUSIVE: Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Lindsey Graham on Friday released a slew of additional documents and transcripts related to his panel's investigation into the origins and aftermath of the Trump-Russia probe, calling the original probe "one of the most incompetent and corrupt investigations in the history of the FBI and DOJ."
The first investigation – which looked into whether members of President Trump's 2016 campaign colluded with the Russians to influence the election – was called "Crossfire Hurricane" Graham, the senior Republican senator from South Carolina, released transcripts of interviews with FBI and Justice Department officials conducted by the committee, between March 3, 2020 and October 29, 2020.
"I consider the Crossfire Hurricane investigation a massive system failure by senior leadership, but not representative of the dedicated, hardworking patriots who protect our nation every day at Federal Bureau of Investigation and the Department of Justice," Graham said in a statement Friday, saying his committee has released "as much material as possible," but noted that "some classified material has still been withheld."
"The FISA court was lied to. Exculpatory information was withheld on those being investigated. The investigators, with some notable exceptions, were incredibly biased and used the powers of law enforcement for political purposes," Graham said. "The subjects of the investigation had their lives turned upside down. It is my hope that counterintelligence investigations will be reined in and this never happens again in America."
Graham slammed the leadership of the FBI under former Director James Comey and former Deputy Director Andrew McCabe, saying it was "either grossly incompetent" or said "they knowingly allowed tremendous misdeeds."
"There was a blind eye turned toward any explanation other than the Trump campaign was colluding with foreign powers," he continued. "At every turn the FBI and DOJ ran stop signs that were in abundance regarding exculpatory information."
Also receiving the ire of the four-term senator was the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, which issued warrants against former Trump campaign aide Carter Page. Graham called that acting "a travesty" and noted that former DOJ officials who signed those warrants, such former Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein and former Acting Attorney General Sally Yates, "have acknowledged that if they knew then what they know now, they would not have signed it."
Title: Re: Trump supporters were mischaracterized by the media-what else is new
Post by: Anonymous on January 15, 2021, 08:46:22 PM
Post by: Anonymous on January 15, 2021, 08:46:22 PM
Title: Re: Trump supporters were mischaracterized by the media-what else is new
Post by: cc on January 15, 2021, 09:42:48 PM
Post by: cc on January 15, 2021, 09:42:48 PM
Title: Re: Trump supporters were mischaracterized by the media-what else is new
Post by: Anonymous on January 15, 2021, 11:14:19 PM
Post by: Anonymous on January 15, 2021, 11:14:19 PM
Title: Re: Trump supporters were mischaracterized by the media-what else is new
Post by: Frood on January 16, 2021, 02:50:33 AM
Post by: Frood on January 16, 2021, 02:50:33 AM
I find to believe anything the American media reports.
That nation is sadly dead to my heart these days...
I know, like China, there are good people within these nations....and even Canada, but I believe we are on the precipice of a new Dark Age.
We're getting colder weather and freak incidents all over the globe, crops are continually getting battered...and the Sun hasn't been ejecting hardly any CME's for awhile now.
I can't believe that governments haven't studied this over the recorded history of Earth and not put two and two together. Yet, instead, they tell us the exact opposite is happening. That we're driving these changes.
Within our lifetimes, a good portion of the population may well perish....but it will be social media managed and slow walked.
The behaviour we see from our leaders before they are elected and not too long after (and those others in positions of power) for decades now shows to me that something global in nature is afoot.
Too much science and history gets easily omitted. We live in times where evil has flourished or alternately, our figureheads know something that they cannot warn us about and have had to model the population on a top down NASA need to know structure leveraged on extortion, threats, coercion, and mostly the good natured belief that we do our jobs on a N2K basis.
I don't know which side of the equation infuriates and scares me more.
It's raining right now... and cold, where I'm at. The middle of an Aussie summer where it should be in at the very least late 20's Celsius all the way up to the 40's. Every year it gets worse and worse, but nary an admission that it's happening. In fact, we're told about the record heats...
It's been snowing off and on in SE Asia over the last 6 or so weeks....places that hardly ever get snow. Over a 1000 motorists got stranded outside of Tokyo in December because of a downpour. Fruit crops in the US Midwest have been decimated from uncharacteristic late freezes in 2020... crops all over the world have been hammered. LPG tankers are in such short supply because of the cold, they're commanding huge premiums.
I used the term "slow walked" before....because that's the perfect terminology for it.
And if Bobblehead Biden and Kooky Kamala ascend to the crown, we'll find out what's truly transpired far later.... possibly never.
Title: Re: Trump supporters were mischaracterized by the media-what else is new
Post by: Anonymous on January 16, 2021, 09:07:41 AM
Post by: Anonymous on January 16, 2021, 09:07:41 AM
Title: Re: Trump supporters were mischaracterized by the media-what else is new
Post by: Frood on January 16, 2021, 10:22:42 AM
Post by: Frood on January 16, 2021, 10:22:42 AM
Title: Re: Trump supporters were mischaracterized by the media-what else is new
Post by: Anonymous on January 16, 2021, 06:31:11 PM
Post by: Anonymous on January 16, 2021, 06:31:11 PM
In an interview with Newsmax, Dershowitz said: "They violated the free speech provision. They violated the impeachment criteria. They violated the bill of attainder. They violated due process, on and on and on."
"How can you impeach a president for a speech that is constitutionally protected?" he said.
The law expert said that Congress is not above the law, but that ironically, they have protection from culpability for what they do on the Senate floor.
"But the only sanction is to vote them out of office and to bring them to trial in the court of public opinion," Dershowitz told host Carl Higbie. "Senators and congressmen are immune from lawsuits for what they do or say on the floor of the Senate, so there can't be any personal lawsuits."
"The Constitution is very clear, the purpose of impeachment is removal," he said. "The Senate cannot try an ordinary citizen."
Title: Re: Trump supporters were mischaracterized by the media-what else is new
Post by: Anonymous on January 17, 2021, 05:53:01 PM
Post by: Anonymous on January 17, 2021, 05:53:01 PM
The US needs to quadruple funding for dangerous, idiotic marxists who want to squash the constitution.
Ocasio-Cortez demands taxpayer dollars to 'deradicalize' white supremacists:
"We need to double, triple or quadruple, or increase funding for these deradicalization programs en masse," Ocasio-Cortez said.
CHRIS ENLOE
Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-N.Y.) says that taxpayer funds should be used to "deradicalize" white supremacists.
POLL: Will you stay loyal to the Republican party if they help the Democrats impeach Trump?
What did AOC say?
Speaking with supporters during a virtual town hall Friday night, Ocasio-Cortez blamed recent violence — including the deadly riots at the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6 — on white supremacy.
"The white supremacist cause is futile, it's nihilist — it will never be realized," Ocasio-Cortez said. "The path forward for all of us is a multiracial democracy that fights for the economic and civil rights of every American."
She added of white supremacists, "Their world will never exist. That's why we're seeing violence right now."
Ocasio-Cortez was speaking in response to a question about how Americans should respond to those who believe in conspiracy theories, but were not part of the violence at the Capitol. Ocasio-Cortez warned that "this is a problem that doesn't go away on Jan. 20," and said it will require "many, many, many millions of hands" to help "pick up the pieces."
Ocasio-Cortez explained that, during her time on the House Subcommittee on Civil Rights and Civil Liberties, she has learned about programs that "deradicalize" white supremacists. Ocasio-Cortez blamed President Donald Trump for "pulling the plug" on funding for such programs.
But if America wants to adequately address the problem of white supremacy, Ocasio-Cortez said taxpayer funding for "deradicalization" programs should be significantly increased.
"We need to double, triple or quadruple, or increase funding for these deradicalization programs en masse," Ocasio-Cortez said.
Just last week, Ocasio-Cortez suggested that all of Trump's supporters, and perhaps the entire Republican Party, is guilty of white supremacy.
"They give a damn about white supremacy, they care about preserving the social order and the mythology of whiteness," she added. "They lust for power more than they care about democracy."
Title: Re: Trump supporters were mischaracterized by the media-what else is new
Post by: Anonymous on January 19, 2021, 07:43:30 PM
Post by: Anonymous on January 19, 2021, 07:43:30 PM
Title: Re: Trump supporters were mischaracterized by the media-what else is new
Post by: Anonymous on January 19, 2021, 07:50:16 PM
Post by: Anonymous on January 19, 2021, 07:50:16 PM
Former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee (R) says given the reasoning behind the House of Representatives' second impeachment of President Donald Trump, Vice President-elect Kamala Harris should face the same punishment.
"If we're going to impeach Donald Trump for what he said, then we'd better impeach Kamala Harris for saying the things she did last summer about the rioters and the looters," Huckabee told Fox Business over the weekend, pointing out that Harris even established "a monetary fund to get them out of jail on bail so they could get back to the riots."
"If we're gonna play this game, everybody should have a turn," he added.
Former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee (R) says given the reasoning behind the House of Representatives' second impeachment of President Donald Trump, Vice President-elect Kamala Harris should face the same punishment.
"If we're going to impeach Donald Trump for what he said, then we'd better impeach Kamala Harris for saying the things she did last summer about the rioters and the looters," Huckabee told Fox Business over the weekend, pointing out that Harris even established "a monetary fund to get them out of jail on bail so they could get back to the riots."
"If we're gonna play this game, everybody should have a turn," he added.
The Washington Examiner pointed out that "Huckabee was referring to Harris's support for the Minnesota Freedom Fund following George Floyd's death and the resulting protests and riots over the summer. The fund was used to pay bail for some rioters and protesters and also helped bail out other violent felons, such as a man accused of raping a young girl."
Trump was impeached on a single charge of inciting an insurrection over allegations that his actions led to the Jan. 6 attack on the U.S. Capitol by a pro-Trump mob, in a rushed process criticized by some Republicans over the fact that no witnesses were presented nor hearings held ahead of the 232-197 vote. The Senate was in recess during the House actions, and the upper chamber returns to session on Tuesday. It is unclear when its impeachment trial might proceed.
Title: Re: Trump supporters were mischaracterized by the media-what else is new
Post by: Anonymous on January 19, 2021, 11:12:02 PM
Post by: Anonymous on January 19, 2021, 11:12:02 PM
Title: Re: Trump supporters were mischaracterized by the media-what else is new
Post by: Anonymous on January 20, 2021, 12:21:16 AM
Post by: Anonymous on January 20, 2021, 12:21:16 AM
Why is Broken Glass on Capitol Hill more appalling to you than the Broken Glass that shattered the dreams of minority business owners all over the Country?
Why is a 5 hour Protest on Capitol Hill more appalling to you than the 7 month long destructive siege of our Country?
Why is some minor cosmetic damage to the Capitol building more appalling to you than 150 Federal Buildings damaged, and thousands of businesses burned down or destroyed?
Where was the outrage and disgust when more than 30 people died and 1000 people were injured and beaten during 7 long months of "mostly peaceful protests", including old People and Police Officers?
Where was the outrage and disgust when US cities across the Country were plagued with looting, violence, arson, vandalism, and damages totaling in the Billions?!!
Why is it ok for AOC, Pelosi, Maxine Watters, Kamala Harris, etc to call for uprisings and support unrest in the streets, but when Trump calls on his supporters to "march over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard", he is made out to be the Anti-Christ?!!
Maybe because it's a "Manufactured" Outrage designed to further divide an already completely fractured Country.
Wake Up America, this is not about losing an Election, this is about losing your Country.
Title: Re: Trump supporters were mischaracterized by the media-what else is new
Post by: Anonymous on January 20, 2021, 12:37:55 AM
Post by: Anonymous on January 20, 2021, 12:37:55 AM
Title: Re: Trump supporters were mischaracterized by the media-what else is new
Post by: Anonymous on January 20, 2021, 07:34:51 PM
Post by: Anonymous on January 20, 2021, 07:34:51 PM
'I think the Senate is a place of freedom'
Speaking with reporters at the Capitol on Tuesday, Feinstein defended those who objected to Biden's win, citing Senate debate being the "highest-level dialogue."
After the deadly violence at the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6, numerous Democrats have called for the resignations of Sens. Ted Cruz (R-Texas) and Josh Hawley (R-Mo.), claiming the Republican lawmakers are partly responsible for the violence because of their efforts to oppose the certification of President Joe Biden's Electoral College victory.
But one of the most senior Senate Democrats, Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.), has rebuffed Ocasio-Cortez's demand in a new interview.
What did Feinstein say?
Speaking with reporters at the Capitol on Tuesday, Feinstein defended those who objected to Biden's win, citing Senate debate being the "highest-level dialogue."
"I think the Senate is a place of freedom," Feinstein said, the San Francisco Chronicle reported.
"And people come here to speak their piece, and they do, and they provide a kind of leadership. In some cases, it's positive, in some cases, maybe not. A lot of that depends on who's looking and what party they are," she continued. "But it's an important place to have this kind of dialogue. It's probably the highest-level dialogue that you get in an electoral body."
Title: Re: Trump supporters were mischaracterized by the media-what else is new
Post by: Anonymous on January 21, 2021, 12:47:48 AM
Post by: Anonymous on January 21, 2021, 12:47:48 AM
Title: Re: Trump supporters were mischaracterized by the media-what else is new
Post by: Anonymous on January 21, 2021, 01:21:14 AM
Post by: Anonymous on January 21, 2021, 01:21:14 AM
Title: Re: Trump supporters were mischaracterized by the media-what else is new
Post by: Anonymous on January 21, 2021, 01:22:33 AM
Post by: Anonymous on January 21, 2021, 01:22:33 AM
Title: Re: Trump supporters were mischaracterized by the media-what else is new
Post by: Anonymous on January 22, 2021, 11:50:57 PM
Post by: Anonymous on January 22, 2021, 11:50:57 PM
Title: Re: Trump supporters were mischaracterized by the media-what else is new
Post by: Frood on January 24, 2021, 06:05:55 PM
Post by: Frood on January 24, 2021, 06:05:55 PM
Title: Re: Trump supporters were mischaracterized by the media-what else is new
Post by: Anonymous on January 24, 2021, 07:40:13 PM
Post by: Anonymous on January 24, 2021, 07:40:13 PM
https://youtu.be/4bIeKj7fZ8U
I'll watch it later.
Title: Re: Trump supporters were mischaracterized by the media-what else is new
Post by: @realAzhyaAryola on February 22, 2021, 03:49:17 PM
Post by: @realAzhyaAryola on February 22, 2021, 03:49:17 PM
Title: Re: Trump supporters were mischaracterized by the media-what else is new
Post by: Anonymous on February 22, 2021, 06:34:37 PM
Post by: Anonymous on February 22, 2021, 06:34:37 PM
I think the media mischaracterizing Trump supporters will go on indefinitely unless they are reprimanded by ________. Fill in the blanks. I don't know who they listen to.
The political establishment would like to wave a wand and make Trump supporters disappear.
Title: Re: Trump supporters were mischaracterized by the media-what else is new
Post by: Anonymous on February 22, 2021, 08:42:11 PM
Post by: Anonymous on February 22, 2021, 08:42:11 PM