Title: UpDate - First Nation in Kamloops Kid Burial Sites - Where Are the Bodies???
Post by: cc on May 28, 2021, 11:17:02 PM
Post by: cc on May 28, 2021, 11:17:02 PM
Chief Rosanne Casimir said the presence of the remains was "a knowing" in the Tk'emlups community, but was confirmed this past weekend
The Tk'emlups Heritage Park is closed to the public as work continues, with the potential that crews may find more remains.
The children, some as young as three, were students at the school, which was once the largest in Canada's residential school system.
Casimir said it's believed the deaths are undocumented, though the Secwepemc Museum's archivist is working with the Royal British Columbia Museum to see if any records of the deaths can be found.
Kamloops Indian Residential School operated from 1890 to 1969, with peak enrollment of 500 in the 1950s.
"With access to the latest technology, the true accounting of the missing students will hopefully bring some peace and closure to those lives lost and their home communities," said Casimir in a release.
"This is the beginning but, given the nature of this news, we felt it important to share immediately," she said.
"At this time we have more questions than answers."
[Digging will start soon, a large project & there may be more elsewhere on the grounds]
Title: Re: First Nation in Kamloops, B.C., confirms bodies of 215 children buried at former residential school site
Post by: Anonymous on May 28, 2021, 11:33:42 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 28, 2021, 11:33:42 PM
The band confirmed on Thursday that it has found the remains of 215 children buried on the site of the former Kamloops Indian Residential School.(//https)
Chief Rosanne Casimir said the presence of the remains was "a knowing" in the Tk'emlups community, but was confirmed this past weekendwith the help of a ground-penetrating radar specialist.(//%3C/s%3E%3CURL%20url=%22https://images.glaciermedia.ca/polopoly_fs/1.24215331.1622229346!/fileImage/httpImage/image.png_gen/derivatives/landscape_804/kamloops-indian-residential-school-1930.png%22%3E%3CLINK_TEXT%20text=%22https://images.glaciermedia.ca/polopoly%20...%20l-1930.png%22%3Ehttps://images.glaciermedia.ca/polopoly_fs/1.24215331.1622229346!/fileImage/httpImage/image.png_gen/derivatives/landscape_804/kamloops-indian-residential-school-1930.png%3C/LINK_TEXT%3E%3C/URL%3E%3Ce%3E)
The Tk'emlups Heritage Park is closed to the public as work continues, with the potential that crews may find more remains.
The children, some as young as three, were students at the school, which was once the largest in Canada's residential school system.
Casimir said it's believed the deaths are undocumented, though the Secwepemc Museum's archivist is working with the Royal British Columbia Museum to see if any records of the deaths can be found.
Kamloops Indian Residential School operated from 1890 to 1969, with peak enrollment of 500 in the 1950s.
"With access to the latest technology, the true accounting of the missing students will hopefully bring some peace and closure to those lives lost and their home communities," said Casimir in a release.
"This is the beginning but, given the nature of this news, we felt it important to share immediately," she said.
"At this time we have more questions than answers."
[Digging will start soon, a large project & there may be more elsewhere on the grounds]
[Hmmm .. Seems they don't want to say it was owned and run by the Catholic Church until taken over by the Govt for proper use]
Title: Re: First Nation in Kamloops, B.C., confirms bodies of 215 children buried at former residential school site
Post by: Berry Sweet on May 28, 2021, 11:45:36 PM
Post by: Berry Sweet on May 28, 2021, 11:45:36 PM
Title: Re: First Nation in Kamloops, B.C., confirms bodies of 215 children buried at former residential school site
Post by: Anonymous on May 29, 2021, 12:01:14 AM
Post by: Anonymous on May 29, 2021, 12:01:14 AM
The band confirmed on Thursday that it has found the remains of 215 children buried on the site of the former Kamloops Indian Residential School.(//https)
Chief Rosanne Casimir said the presence of the remains was "a knowing" in the Tk'emlups community, but was confirmed this past weekendwith the help of a ground-penetrating radar specialist.(//%3C/s%3E%3CURL%20url=%22https://images.glaciermedia.ca/polopoly_fs/1.24215331.1622229346!/fileImage/httpImage/image.png_gen/derivatives/landscape_804/kamloops-indian-residential-school-1930.png%22%3E%3CLINK_TEXT%20text=%22https://images.glaciermedia.ca/polopoly%20...%20l-1930.png%22%3Ehttps://images.glaciermedia.ca/polopoly_fs/1.24215331.1622229346!/fileImage/httpImage/image.png_gen/derivatives/landscape_804/kamloops-indian-residential-school-1930.png%3C/LINK_TEXT%3E%3C/URL%3E%3Ce%3E)
The Tk'emlups Heritage Park is closed to the public as work continues, with the potential that crews may find more remains.
The children, some as young as three, were students at the school, which was once the largest in Canada's residential school system.
Casimir said it's believed the deaths are undocumented, though the Secwepemc Museum's archivist is working with the Royal British Columbia Museum to see if any records of the deaths can be found.
Kamloops Indian Residential School operated from 1890 to 1969, with peak enrollment of 500 in the 1950s.
"With access to the latest technology, the true accounting of the missing students will hopefully bring some peace and closure to those lives lost and their home communities," said Casimir in a release.
"This is the beginning but, given the nature of this news, we felt it important to share immediately," she said.
"At this time we have more questions than answers."
[Digging will start soon, a large project & there may be more elsewhere on the grounds]
[Hmmm .. Seems they don't want to say it was owned and run by the Catholic Church until taken over by the Govt for proper use]
I read the headline. I didn't know it was in BC.
Title: Re: First Nation in Kamloops, B.C., confirms bodies of 215 children buried at former residential school site
Post by: Anonymous on May 29, 2021, 12:06:12 AM
Post by: Anonymous on May 29, 2021, 12:06:12 AM
The band confirmed on Thursday that it has found the remains of 215 children buried on the site of the former Kamloops Indian Residential School.(//https)
Chief Rosanne Casimir said the presence of the remains was "a knowing" in the Tk'emlups community, but was confirmed this past weekendwith the help of a ground-penetrating radar specialist.(//%3C/s%3E%3CURL%20url=%22https://images.glaciermedia.ca/polopoly_fs/1.24215331.1622229346!/fileImage/httpImage/image.png_gen/derivatives/landscape_804/kamloops-indian-residential-school-1930.png%22%3E%3CLINK_TEXT%20text=%22https://images.glaciermedia.ca/polopoly%20...%20l-1930.png%22%3Ehttps://images.glaciermedia.ca/polopoly_fs/1.24215331.1622229346!/fileImage/httpImage/image.png_gen/derivatives/landscape_804/kamloops-indian-residential-school-1930.png%3C/LINK_TEXT%3E%3C/URL%3E%3Ce%3E)
The Tk'emlups Heritage Park is closed to the public as work continues, with the potential that crews may find more remains.
The children, some as young as three, were students at the school, which was once the largest in Canada's residential school system.
Casimir said it's believed the deaths are undocumented, though the Secwepemc Museum's archivist is working with the Royal British Columbia Museum to see if any records of the deaths can be found.
Kamloops Indian Residential School operated from 1890 to 1969, with peak enrollment of 500 in the 1950s.
"With access to the latest technology, the true accounting of the missing students will hopefully bring some peace and closure to those lives lost and their home communities," said Casimir in a release.
"This is the beginning but, given the nature of this news, we felt it important to share immediately," she said.
"At this time we have more questions than answers."
[Digging will start soon, a large project & there may be more elsewhere on the grounds]
[Hmmm .. Seems they don't want to say it was owned and run by the Catholic Church until taken over by the Govt for proper use]
How the hell do 215 kids die? Sounds like genocide.
Title: Re: First Nation in Kamloops, B.C., confirms bodies of 215 children buried at former residential school site
Post by: Berry Sweet on May 29, 2021, 12:22:35 AM
Post by: Berry Sweet on May 29, 2021, 12:22:35 AM
How the hell do 215 kids die? Sounds like genocide.
Rape, extreme abuse.
Some survivors have spoken about it.
Title: Re: First Nation in Kamloops, B.C., confirms bodies of 215 children buried at former residential school site
Post by: Anonymous on May 29, 2021, 12:37:40 AM
Post by: Anonymous on May 29, 2021, 12:37:40 AM
How the hell do 215 kids die? Sounds like genocide.
Rape, extreme abuse.
What went on in nazi death camps. 215 kids dead. Frckin sadistic pricks running the place.
Title: Re: First Nation in Kamloops, B.C., confirms bodies of 215 children buried at former residential school site
Post by: Berry Sweet on May 29, 2021, 12:59:47 AM
Post by: Berry Sweet on May 29, 2021, 12:59:47 AM
How the hell do 215 kids die? Sounds like genocide.
Rape, extreme abuse.
What went on in nazi death camps. 215 kids dead. Frckin sadistic pricks running the place.
There's a lot of stories...priests raping girls and boys...I wouldn't be surprised if some of those little ones were a result.
I remember reading somewhere a while back about someone finding a fetus in the walls of a residential school.
Yes very sick.
Title: Re: First Nation in Kamloops, B.C., confirms bodies of 215 children buried at former residential school site
Post by: Anonymous on May 29, 2021, 01:15:34 AM
Post by: Anonymous on May 29, 2021, 01:15:34 AM
How the hell do 215 kids die? Sounds like genocide.
Rape, extreme abuse.
What went on in nazi death camps. 215 kids dead. Frckin sadistic pricks running the place.
There's a lot of stories...priests raping girls and boys...I wouldn't be surprised if some of those little ones were a result.
I remember reading somewhere a while back about someone finding a fetus in the walls of a residential school.
Yes very sick.
Ta, a place like that would be a magnet for peds looking for a job.
Title: Re: First Nation in Kamloops, B.C., confirms bodies of 215 children buried at former residential school site
Post by: Berry Sweet on May 29, 2021, 01:24:52 AM
Post by: Berry Sweet on May 29, 2021, 01:24:52 AM
Title: Re: First Nation in Kamloops, B.C., confirms bodies of 215 children buried at former residential school site
Post by: Anonymous on May 29, 2021, 01:33:26 AM
Post by: Anonymous on May 29, 2021, 01:33:26 AM
Search YouTube for residential school survivor stories. Not a whole lot, but listen to them....its heart breaking. I'm surprised how many heads just keep turning away from this...
The problem is that the people who committed horrific crimes against children are dead now.
Title: Re: First Nation in Kamloops, B.C., confirms bodies of 215 children buried at former residential school site
Post by: cc on May 29, 2021, 01:56:45 PM
Post by: cc on May 29, 2021, 01:56:45 PM
The legislation would establish a new statutory holiday to commemorate the victims and survivors of Indigenous residential schools.
[
Further this knee jerk with immediacy merely demonstrates how little attention they paid to the many past atrocities that had physical proof ..
Where were they then?? ...
Title: Re: First Nation in Kamloops, B.C., confirms bodies of 215 children buried at former residential school site
Post by: Anonymous on May 29, 2021, 02:02:51 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 29, 2021, 02:02:51 PM
Title: Re: First Nation in Kamloops, B.C., confirms bodies of 215 children buried at former residential school site
Post by: Anonymous on May 29, 2021, 02:23:28 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 29, 2021, 02:23:28 PM
MPs pass bill creating national day for truth and reconciliation(//https)
The legislation would establish a new statutory holiday to commemorate the victims and survivors of Indigenous residential schools.
[While do believe the radar to be likely very accurate ... Reactive politicians should wait until digging proves what the radar saw before reacting with things like the above
Further this knee jerk with immediacy merely demonstrates how little attention they paid to the many past atrocities that had physical proof ..
Where were they then?? ...Nowhereis where ]
Progtards can't wait.
Title: Re: First Nation in Kamloops, B.C., confirms bodies of 215 children buried at former residential school site
Post by: cc on May 29, 2021, 02:27:38 PM
Post by: cc on May 29, 2021, 02:27:38 PM
Knee jerk reactions are exactly what I expected in that libtard looney bin called parliament.
Yes, it was totally predictable .. progs like to look as though they were actually good people with actual good intentions ... and speed is of the essence while item is "hot"
Title: Re: First Nation in Kamloops, B.C., confirms bodies of 215 children buried at former residential school site
Post by: Odinson on May 29, 2021, 03:18:55 PM
Post by: Odinson on May 29, 2021, 03:18:55 PM
But it was poorly executed.
They are still savages.
Title: Re: First Nation in Kamloops, B.C., confirms bodies of 215 children buried at former residential school site
Post by: Anonymous on May 29, 2021, 04:04:04 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 29, 2021, 04:04:04 PM
Good plan.
But it was poorly executed.
They are still savages.
Canada's oil and gas sector relies on hard working Aboriginals as well as investment from savvy Aboriginal bands. However, too many reserves have corrupt band councils with little to no accountability.
Title: Re: First Nation in Kamloops, B.C., confirms bodies of 215 children buried at former residential school site
Post by: Odinson on May 29, 2021, 07:49:47 PM
Post by: Odinson on May 29, 2021, 07:49:47 PM
Good plan.
But it was poorly executed.
They are still savages.
Canada's oil and gas sector relies on hard working Aboriginals as well as investment from savvy Aboriginal bands. However, too many reserves have corrupt band councils with little to no accountability.
I wonder if the cultural assimilation schools were partially successful then.
Maybe its because of them that some of the indians are decent citizens.
Cold hard fact is that their original culture is obsolete.
Title: Re: First Nation in Kamloops, B.C., confirms bodies of 215 children buried at former residential school site
Post by: cc on May 29, 2021, 08:06:24 PM
Post by: cc on May 29, 2021, 08:06:24 PM
You can't make a turd smell nice
Title: Re: First Nation in Kamloops, B.C., confirms bodies of 215 children buried at former residential school site
Post by: Berry Sweet on May 29, 2021, 09:21:39 PM
Post by: Berry Sweet on May 29, 2021, 09:21:39 PM
The problem is that the people who committed horrific crimes against children are dead now.
Yeah they are. Sadly, this is just the tip of the iceberg...expect more.
I just realized that the 0lace where I went to where I felt there were dead bodies in the ground was indeed Kamloops...I was thinking of another residential school I was at where I had that feeling...there's probably bodies at that one too
Title: Re: First Nation in Kamloops, B.C., confirms bodies of 215 children buried at former residential school site
Post by: cc on May 29, 2021, 09:24:59 PM
Post by: cc on May 29, 2021, 09:24:59 PM
The problem is that the people who committed horrific crimes against children are dead now.
Yeah they are. Sadly, this is just the tip of the iceberg...expect more.
I just realized that the 0lace where I went to where I felt there were dead bodies in the ground was indeed Kamloops...I was thinking of another residential school I was at where I had that feeling...there's probably bodies at that one too😔
There have been past cases of this going on
I agree. Expect more with this one as the trigger to look harder & wider
Title: Re: First Nation in Kamloops, B.C., confirms bodies of 215 children buried at former residential school site
Post by: cc on May 29, 2021, 09:42:07 PM
Post by: cc on May 29, 2021, 09:42:07 PM
The discovery of a mass grave at a former Kamloops residential school highlights the need for a formal, legal and human rights framework to investigate similar sites in Canada, says a B.C. legal scholar and advocate.
Mary Ellen Turpel-Lafond heads the University of British Columbia's Indian Residential School History and Dialogue Centre, and formerly served as the province's advocate for children and youth.
""A mass grave is a crime scene, it is not a historic site or a heritage site," Turpel-Lafond told Global News."
The Kamloops Indian Residential School is but one of many where Turpel-Lafond says Indigenous people have reported children disappearing, but have been given little or no state support to investigate.
Title: Re: First Nation in Kamloops, B.C., confirms bodies of 215 children buried at former residential school site
Post by: cc on May 29, 2021, 09:44:31 PM
Post by: cc on May 29, 2021, 09:44:31 PM
Plans are being made to identify and return home the remains of more than 200 children found buried at the site of a former residential school in British Columbia's Interior, says a provincial Indigenous leader.
The Kamloops Indian Band wants to undertake the "heart-wrenching" process to eventually tell the stories of the children and bring peace to their families, said Terry Teegee, Assembly of First Nations regional chief.
The effort could involve the B.C. Coroners Service, the Royal B.C. Museum and forensics experts, he said.
Title: Re: First Nation in Kamloops, B.C., confirms bodies of 215 children buried at former residential school site
Post by: Berry Sweet on May 29, 2021, 09:52:13 PM
Post by: Berry Sweet on May 29, 2021, 09:52:13 PM
Hey, maybe I missed something but, what lead to the discovery of the bodies?
Title: Re: First Nation in Kamloops, B.C., confirms bodies of 215 children buried at former residential school site
Post by: Berry Sweet on May 29, 2021, 10:35:06 PM
Post by: Berry Sweet on May 29, 2021, 10:35:06 PM
But, what lead them to finally do this? That's what I want to know...
Title: Re: First Nation in Kamloops, B.C., confirms bodies of 215 children buried at former residential school site
Post by: cc on May 29, 2021, 10:46:07 PM
Post by: cc on May 29, 2021, 10:46:07 PM
so to answer "what lead them to finally do this?" I'd answer "because people pushed"
Title: Re: First Nation in Kamloops, B.C., confirms bodies of 215 children buried at former residential school site
Post by: Berry Sweet on May 29, 2021, 11:24:27 PM
Post by: Berry Sweet on May 29, 2021, 11:24:27 PM
Title: Re: First Nation in Kamloops, B.C., confirms bodies of 215 children buried at former residential school site
Post by: Anonymous on May 29, 2021, 11:46:45 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 29, 2021, 11:46:45 PM
Title: Re: First Nation in Kamloops, B.C., confirms bodies of 215 children buried at former residential school site
Post by: Berry Sweet on May 30, 2021, 12:12:02 AM
Post by: Berry Sweet on May 30, 2021, 12:12:02 AM
Title: Re: First Nation in Kamloops, B.C., confirms bodies of 215 children buried at former residential school site
Post by: cc on May 30, 2021, 12:38:11 AM
Post by: cc on May 30, 2021, 12:38:11 AM
I believe I recall there were Anglican & Catholic church schools that got caught with similar also .. brief headlines and then forgotten .. and no govt really dug into this whole thing
Title: Re: First Nation in Kamloops, B.C., confirms bodies of 215 children buried at former residential school site
Post by: Berry Sweet on May 30, 2021, 01:01:44 AM
Post by: Berry Sweet on May 30, 2021, 01:01:44 AM
I feel for these people, they treated them horribly. I know this one particular guy, I have mentioned him before...he's my age, he was put into residential school...eventuallybhe was adopted out...he went to a good family but its all fucked up...anyhow, he's a magnificent artist...some of his work is for sale...he's just an amazing guy....but--he's an on again off again addict...its sad to know the reason why.
Title: Re: First Nation in Kamloops, B.C., confirms bodies of 215 children buried at former residential school site
Post by: Anonymous on May 30, 2021, 11:17:13 AM
Post by: Anonymous on May 30, 2021, 11:17:13 AM
Work underway for forensics experts to identify and repatriate B.C. school remains(//https)
Plans are being made to identify and return home the remains of more than 200 children found buried at the site of a former residential school in British Columbia's Interior, says a provincial Indigenous leader.
The Kamloops Indian Band wants to undertake the "heart-wrenching" process to eventually tell the stories of the children and bring peace to their families, said Terry Teegee, Assembly of First Nations regional chief.
The effort could involve the B.C. Coroners Service, the Royal B.C. Museum and forensics experts, he said.
They need to get on it immediately.
Title: Re: First Nation in Kamloops, B.C., confirms bodies of 215 children buried at former residential school site
Post by: Anonymous on May 31, 2021, 09:27:01 AM
Post by: Anonymous on May 31, 2021, 09:27:01 AM
Title: Re: First Nation in Kamloops, B.C., confirms bodies of 215 children buried at former residential school site
Post by: Berry Sweet on May 31, 2021, 09:40:37 PM
Post by: Berry Sweet on May 31, 2021, 09:40:37 PM
Title: Re: First Nation in Kamloops, B.C., confirms bodies of 215 children buried at former residential school site
Post by: Anonymous on June 01, 2021, 02:07:39 AM
Post by: Anonymous on June 01, 2021, 02:07:39 AM
I have a bunch of teddy bears on my door step...I didn't want to pit any immediate special stuff just in case it got stolen. I asked daughter if she had an old teddy's she didn't want...I told her what I was doing and she looked like she was gonna cry....she immediately went to storage and got a bag of teddy's I could use...I wish I could say more to my daughter about this topic but I don't know what to say...the teddy bear thing is enough for now...she's really gotten a distaste for white people lately...not to say I don't blame her...but I made sure to let her know, its mostly religion that did this.
The media and the education system don't discourage her dislike of whites.
Title: Re: First Nation in Kamloops, B.C., confirms bodies of 215 children buried at former residential school site
Post by: cc on June 02, 2021, 08:45:58 PM
Post by: cc on June 02, 2021, 08:45:58 PM
Wieman said the combined forces of racism and misogyny create particularly high risk for First Nations women, who are nearly 10 times as likely to die of toxic drugs than other women.
[
Title: Re: First Nation in Kamloops, B.C., confirms bodies of 215 children buried at former residential school site
Post by: Anonymous on June 03, 2021, 02:00:31 AM
Post by: Anonymous on June 03, 2021, 02:00:31 AM
Things get worse for the native community & today & especially for femalesFirst Nations Health Authority reports people killed by drugs at more than five times B.C. rate -[size=120]10 X more for females[/size] (//)
Wieman said the combined forces of racism and misogyny create particularly high risk for First Nations women, who are nearly 10 times as likely to die of toxic drugs than other women.
[By "misogyny, he must mean by the native community itself- ruled by males assisted by enabling older females like Moms etc. {now where did I hear that before?I have no idea how to fix such a generational problem, but sumbody gotta do sumthin]
There is another major problem on reserves. Sexual assault is rampant on reserves. I've worked on a lot of reserves in my career. Without exception on all reserves, sexual assault of young girls was a problem.
Title: Re: First Nation in Kamloops, B.C., confirms bodies of 215 children buried at former residential school site
Post by: cc on June 07, 2021, 05:20:32 PM
Post by: cc on June 07, 2021, 05:20:32 PM
What with all the known school incidents known to date + many more to come to light shortly + 1000s of instances of kiddie diddling ... It boggles my mind how anyone can support and follow an institution that has deliberately done so much harm to so many children over a very long period of time
To his credit, the arch bishop of Vancouver offered "extreme apology"
Title: Re: First Nation in Kamloops, B.C., confirms bodies of 215 children buried at former residential school site
Post by: Gaon on June 07, 2021, 05:27:13 PM
Post by: Gaon on June 07, 2021, 05:27:13 PM
Title: Re: First Nation in Kamloops, B.C., confirms bodies of 215 children buried at former residential school site
Post by: cc on June 07, 2021, 05:32:24 PM
Post by: cc on June 07, 2021, 05:32:24 PM
Of course the leadership is responsible for all it's peons have done .. and in fact have tried to buy off and make disappear knowledge of what it has done for decades
The Canada Govt., while not known to be complicate in the horrors that were going on within the schools, also played a role in this evil operation by approving at least 2 denominations to run these "schools" and certainly did not follow through and check thoroughly on the safety of these children.
Title: Re: First Nation in Kamloops, B.C., confirms bodies of 215 children buried at former residential school site
Post by: Anonymous on June 07, 2021, 07:39:39 PM
Post by: Anonymous on June 07, 2021, 07:39:39 PM
The band confirmed on Thursday that it has found the remains of 215 children buried on the site of the former Kamloops Indian Residential School.(//https)
Chief Rosanne Casimir said the presence of the remains was "a knowing" in the Tk'emlups community, but was confirmed this past weekendwith the help of a ground-penetrating radar specialist.(//%3C/s%3E%3CURL%20url=%22https://images.glaciermedia.ca/polopoly_fs/1.24215331.1622229346!/fileImage/httpImage/image.png_gen/derivatives/landscape_804/kamloops-indian-residential-school-1930.png%22%3E%3CLINK_TEXT%20text=%22https://images.glaciermedia.ca/polopoly%20...%20l-1930.png%22%3Ehttps://images.glaciermedia.ca/polopoly_fs/1.24215331.1622229346!/fileImage/httpImage/image.png_gen/derivatives/landscape_804/kamloops-indian-residential-school-1930.png%3C/LINK_TEXT%3E%3C/URL%3E%3Ce%3E)
The Tk'emlups Heritage Park is closed to the public as work continues, with the potential that crews may find more remains.
The children, some as young as three, were students at the school, which was once the largest in Canada's residential school system.
Casimir said it's believed the deaths are undocumented, though the Secwepemc Museum's archivist is working with the Royal British Columbia Museum to see if any records of the deaths can be found.
Kamloops Indian Residential School operated from 1890 to 1969, with peak enrollment of 500 in the 1950s.
"With access to the latest technology, the true accounting of the missing students will hopefully bring some peace and closure to those lives lost and their home communities," said Casimir in a release.
"This is the beginning but, given the nature of this news, we felt it important to share immediately," she said.
"At this time we have more questions than answers."
[Digging will start soon, a large project & there may be more elsewhere on the grounds]
[Hmmm .. Seems they don't want to say it was owned and run by the Catholic Church until taken over by the Govt for proper use]
What can I say. What happened defies humanity.
Title: Re: First Nation in Kamloops, B.C., confirms bodies of 215 children buried at former residential school site
Post by: Anonymous on June 13, 2021, 10:39:35 PM
Post by: Anonymous on June 13, 2021, 10:39:35 PM
Title: Re: First Nation in Kamloops, B.C., confirms bodies of 215 kids - NOW the Extent of it all is surfacing
Post by: cc on June 23, 2021, 07:31:17 PM
Post by: cc on June 23, 2021, 07:31:17 PM
HUNDREDS OF BODIES: Remains found in unmarked graves at former Saskatchewan residential school
The total number of graves near the former Marieval Indian Residential School
The remains are in unmarked graves in a communal gravesite first used in 1885 but eventually taken over by the Marieval Indian Residential School, founded and operated by the Roman Catholic Church beginning in 1899 on what was then the Marieval Reserve.
Administration of the school was handed over to the federal government in 1969 and then the Cowessess First Nation in 1987 before being closed in 1997. Everything but the church, rectory and cemetery was demolished shortly after, according to National Centre for Truth and Reconciliation records.
The First Nation
[Personal Note -
Also, growing up very near to the 6 Nations in Ontario, and spending much time there with native friends as a teen, I often heard rumblings of buried bodies there as a teen (No, I'm not native, but they accepted me as a friend and often invited me into their homes for dinners and shared their thoughts and concerns about their history)
This whole thing is obviously massive and something we owe natives to get onto all across the country .. as we all know there were many more such atrocities
Title: Re: First Nation in Kamloops, B.C., confirms bodies of 215 children buried at former residential school site
Post by: Anonymous on June 23, 2021, 07:58:14 PM
Post by: Anonymous on June 23, 2021, 07:58:14 PM
Here's some idea of how many such graves exist across the country(//https)
HUNDREDS OF BODIES: Remains found in unmarked graves at former Saskatchewan residential school
The total number of graves near the former Marieval Indian Residential Schoolis expected to be over three times higherthan the 215 discovered recently in Kamloops
The remains are in unmarked graves in a communal gravesite first used in 1885 but eventually taken over by the Marieval Indian Residential School, founded and operated by the Roman Catholic Church beginning in 1899 on what was then the Marieval Reserve.
Administration of the school was handed over to the federal government in 1969 and then the Cowessess First Nation in 1987 before being closed in 1997. Everything but the church, rectory and cemetery was demolished shortly after, according to National Centre for Truth and Reconciliation records.
The First Nationteamed up with an underground radar detection team from Saskatchewan Polytechnicto begin the search just over three weeks ago. In an interview in late May, Cowessess First Nation Chief Cadmus Delorme told the Regina Leader-Post that he did not know how many people's remains might be discovered. It is estimated that only one third of graves are marked.
[Personal Note -While I felt the horror of the Kamloops discovery, it's getting even more personal to us. This is the Cowessess reserve 2 hrs East of Regina, then 10 minutes north of Broadview that we lived on and completed a 6 month project for in 2,000 and got to know many there, especially on the Council with whom we worked closely.
Also, growing up very near to the 6 Nations in Ontario, and spending much time there with native friends as a teen, I often heard rumblings of buried bodies there as a teen (No, I'm not native, but they accepted me as a friend and often invited me into their homes for dinners and shared their thoughts and concerns about their history)
This whole thing is obviously massive and something we owe natives to get onto all across the country .. as we all know there were many more such atrocities[i/] ]
That is due South of here.
Title: Re: First Nation in Kamloops, B.C., confirms bodies of 215 kids - NOW the Extent of it all is surfacing
Post by: cc on June 23, 2021, 08:01:46 PM
Post by: cc on June 23, 2021, 08:01:46 PM
How far is it from you?
Title: Re: First Nation in Kamloops, B.C., confirms bodies of 215 kids - NOW the Extent of it all is surfacing
Post by: Anonymous on June 23, 2021, 08:09:34 PM
Post by: Anonymous on June 23, 2021, 08:09:34 PM
Yes. It's in the beautiful and lush Qu'Appelle Valley, at a level far below the prairie itself
How far is it from you?
I was wrong. I thought it was near Swift Current/Maple Creek area. It's South of Yorkton. I live close to Kindersley. It's over five hundred clicks from my farm.
Title: Re: First Nation in Kamloops, B.C., confirms bodies of 215 kids - NOW the Extent of it all is surfacing
Post by: cc on June 23, 2021, 08:12:17 PM
Post by: cc on June 23, 2021, 08:12:17 PM
I used to shop in what I think I recall as Yorkton while we stayed in the valley
Title: Re: First Nation in Kamloops, B.C., confirms bodies of 215 kids - NOW the Extent of it all is surfacing
Post by: Anonymous on June 23, 2021, 08:24:05 PM
Post by: Anonymous on June 23, 2021, 08:24:05 PM
It is about 10 minutes north of Broadview
I used to shop in what I think I recall as Yorkton while we stayed in the valley
Ya, in the Eastern part of the province near the Manitoba border. Broadview is South of Yorkton. Yorkton is considered one of the armpits of this province along with Prince Albert and North Battleford.
Title: Re: First Nation in Kamloops, B.C., confirms bodies of 215 kids - NOW the Extent of it all is surfacing
Post by: Berry Sweet on June 23, 2021, 08:55:53 PM
Post by: Berry Sweet on June 23, 2021, 08:55:53 PM
I remember learning very little about Indigenous people in school...we learned about the small pox incident...I remember going to the library and looking stuff up (before internet was popular) I don't where I read this but there over 100 million of these people, perhaps more...I always questioned what happened to all of them...there was never any answers.
Canada has quite a history...and not all of it is good. There was Japanese POW here in BC (including children)...let's not get started on the railway...so, so much shit that happened...and it never gets talked about.
I'm glad we are now at an age where people are speaking up more and bringing awareness to issues that deserve some light...anyhow...im just trailing on...
Title: Re: First Nation in Kamloops, B.C., confirms bodies of 215 kids - NOW the Extent of it all is surfacing
Post by: Berry Sweet on June 23, 2021, 08:58:54 PM
Post by: Berry Sweet on June 23, 2021, 08:58:54 PM
Title: Re: First Nation in Kamloops, B.C., confirms bodies of 215 kids - NOW the Extent of it all is surfacing
Post by: Anonymous on June 23, 2021, 09:36:14 PM
Post by: Anonymous on June 23, 2021, 09:36:14 PM
The number is going to keep rising. It's pretty obvious they tried to eradicate their race...we all knew that before all this evidence finally appeared. It was widely ignored.
I remember learning very little about Indigenous people in school...we learned about the small pox incident...I remember going to the library and looking stuff up (before internet was popular) I don't where I read this but there over 100 million of these people, perhaps more...I always questioned what happened to all of them...there was never any answers.
Canada has quite a history...and not all of it is good. There was Japanese POW here in BC (including children)...let's not get started on the railway...so, so much shit that happened...and it never gets talked about.
I'm glad we are now at an age where people are speaking up more and bringing awareness to issues that deserve some light...anyhow...im just trailing on...
Who is the "they" that you think planned a genocide?
Canada is one of the few countries that acknowledges mistakes of the past. However, since the July 1, 1867 there hasn't been a planned genocide.
Title: Re: First Nation in Kamloops, B.C., confirms 215 kids - NOW the Cowessess MANY MORE
Post by: cc on June 24, 2021, 04:40:20 PM
Post by: cc on June 24, 2021, 04:40:20 PM
Before this is done with, I'm expecting to see huge numbers of schools and victims
I have heard rumblings of this inside native communities for a very long time
Title: Re: First Nation in Kamloops, B.C., confirms 215 kids - NOW the Cowessess MANY MORE
Post by: Thiel on June 24, 2021, 04:48:07 PM
Post by: Thiel on June 24, 2021, 04:48:07 PM
It was each individual church schools that did it .. albeit with zero oversight from the Federal Govt that authorized each native school
Before this is done with, I'm expecting to see huge numbers of schools and victims
I have heard rumblings of this inside native communities for a very long time
I haven't had a lot of interaction with reserves, but a lot with Natives themselves. I do live in Winnipeg. I wasn't expecting this.
Title: Re: First Nation in Kamloops, B.C., confirms 215 kids - NOW the Cowessess 3X MORE
Post by: cc on June 24, 2021, 11:11:09 PM
Post by: cc on June 24, 2021, 11:11:09 PM
Forensic experts say identifying the remains of Indigenous children and adults buried at former residential schools is a painstaking process that could take decades.
More in the link above
Title: Re: First Nation in Kamloops, B.C., confirms 215 kids - NOW the Cowessess 3X MORE
Post by: Anonymous on June 24, 2021, 11:24:21 PM
Post by: Anonymous on June 24, 2021, 11:24:21 PM
This is what it will take to identify hundreds of remains in unmarked graves at residential schools(//https)
Forensic experts say identifying the remains of Indigenous children and adults buried at former residential schools is a painstaking process that could take decades.
More in the link above
Their identities are the first priority, but how they died is important too.
Title: Re: First Nation in Kamloops, B.C., confirms 215 kids - NOW the Cowessess 3X MORE
Post by: Thiel on June 25, 2021, 12:17:10 AM
Post by: Thiel on June 25, 2021, 12:17:10 AM
Title: Re: First Nation in Kamloops, B.C., confirms 215 kids - NOW the Cowessess 3X MORE
Post by: cc on June 25, 2021, 12:42:43 AM
Post by: cc on June 25, 2021, 12:42:43 AM
This is so massive (with who knows how many more to come) that it is taking on a life of it's own
I don't know what will happen, but I hope it's not another expensive, wasteful royal commission.
I don't think the public will let it die on the vine. Further, each site will be run by the natives, not the Feds ... Kamloops already is in fact running the whole show (wasting no time)..
As to blame, that could go south. Dunno yet who will investigate
Title: Re: First Nation in Kamloops, B.C., confirms 215 kids - NOW the Cowessess 3X MORE
Post by: Thiel on June 25, 2021, 12:46:37 AM
Post by: Thiel on June 25, 2021, 12:46:37 AM
I don't know what will happen, but I h(ope) it's not another expensive, wasteful royal commission.
I don't think the public will let it die on the vine. Further, each site will be run by the natives, not the Feds ... Kamloops already is in fact running the whole show (wasting no time)..
As to blame, that could go south. Dunno yet who will investigate
I know it won't go away and I'm not suggesting it should. I have seen enough royal commissions in my life and I have yet to see one that is of any benefit to the average Canadian native.
Title: Re: First Nation in Kamloops, B.C., confirms 215 kids - NOW the Cowessess 3X MORE
Post by: cc on June 25, 2021, 01:05:57 PM
Post by: cc on June 25, 2021, 01:05:57 PM
When one gets down to it, it is criminal .. thus needs RCMP and / or CSIS to investigate with any specialized help hired or contracted with .. in conjunction with well chosen natives .. then special prosecutors.
I realize that most if not all perps are dead now, but the churches and govt needs to be held accountable including the individuals found to be involved. With the numbers so high for just 2 schools (and for the Cowessess one only a portion was examined, deliberately because of the scale) , murder has to have taken place and obviously this took place coast to coast
Title: Re: First Nation in Kamloops, B.C., confirms 215 kids - NOW the Cowessess 3X MORE
Post by: Anonymous on June 25, 2021, 01:38:44 PM
Post by: Anonymous on June 25, 2021, 01:38:44 PM
Agreed. They will need something more efficient than those royal commissions of which none has ever gone anywhere
When one gets down to it, it is criminal .. thus needs RCMP and / or CSIS to investigate with any specialized help hired or contracted with .. in conjunction with well chosen natives .. then special prosecutors.
I realize that most if not all perps are dead now, but the churches and govt needs to be held accountable including the individuals found to be involved. With the numbers so high for just 2 schools (and for the Cowessess one only a portion was examined, deliberately because of the scale) , murder has to have taken place and obviously this took place coast to coast
I say all of us will be held accountable in the forum of new funding for Indian leaders and the Indian industry, and higher taxes for us.
Title: Re: First Nation in Kamloops, B.C., confirms 215 kids - NOW the Cowessess 3X MORE
Post by: cc on June 25, 2021, 03:30:40 PM
Post by: cc on June 25, 2021, 03:30:40 PM
Agreed. They will need something more efficient than those royal commissions of which none has ever gone anywhere
When one gets down to it, it is criminal .. thus needs RCMP and / or CSIS to investigate with any specialized help hired or contracted with .. in conjunction with well chosen natives .. then special prosecutors.
I realize that most if not all perps are dead now, but the churches and govt needs to be held accountable including the individuals found to be involved. With the numbers so high for just 2 schools (and for the Cowessess one only a portion was examined, deliberately because of the scale) , murder has to have taken place and obviously this took place coast to coast
I say all of us will be held accountable in the forum of new funding for Indian leaders and the Indian industry, and higher taxes for us.
Yup. We will. Still this is going to turn out so massive and vile we have to work with them
Hopefully the govt can make (or rather will make) the churches involved fork out bigtime to help offset costs
The culprits here seem to be the churches 1st and directly ... and the govt indirectly for not better monitoring it well
Title: Re: First Nation in Kamloops, B.C., confirms 215 kids - NOW the Cowessess 3X MORE
Post by: Odinson on June 25, 2021, 07:22:50 PM
Post by: Odinson on June 25, 2021, 07:22:50 PM
1 in 150 kids dead.
The actual number is probably several times that.
That went well.
Title: Re: First Nation in Kamloops, B.C., confirms 215 kids - NOW the Cowessess 3X MORE
Post by: Anonymous on June 25, 2021, 08:14:49 PM
Post by: Anonymous on June 25, 2021, 08:14:49 PM
That place seems to have been a slaughterhouse.
1 in 150 kids dead.
The actual number is probably several times that.
That went well.
The deaths must have been over many decades.
Title: Re: First Nation in Kamloops, B.C., confirms 215 kids - NOW the Cowessess 3X MORE
Post by: cc on June 26, 2021, 04:48:17 PM
Post by: cc on June 26, 2021, 04:48:17 PM
The latest were located on reserves in the Similkameen Valley, and come just days after two Catholic churches burned down on Indigenous land in the southern Okanagan.
That's 4 in one week
Assuming it's natives, they are of course angry, but not helping their cause at all
Title: Re: First Nation in Kamloops, B.C., confirms 215 kids - NOW the Cowessess 3X MORE
Post by: Odinson on June 26, 2021, 06:15:00 PM
Post by: Odinson on June 26, 2021, 06:15:00 PM
That place seems to have been a slaughterhouse.
1 in 150 kids dead.
The actual number is probably several times that.
That went well.
The deaths must have been over many decades.
Yes but its a 1000 out of 150000 total.
There is talk of thousands so there is probably more graves.
Title: Re: First Nation in Kamloops, B.C., confirms 215 kids - NOW the Cowessess 3X MORE
Post by: Anonymous on June 27, 2021, 12:41:51 PM
Post by: Anonymous on June 27, 2021, 12:41:51 PM
Two more Catholic churches on Indigenous land in B.C.'s Interior burned to the ground early Saturday morning.
The latest were located on reserves in the Similkameen Valley, and come just days after two Catholic churches burned down on Indigenous land in the southern Okanagan.(//%3C/s%3E%3CURL%20url=%22https://img-s-msn-com.akamaized.net/tenant/amp/entityid/AALtTMY.img?h=468&w=624&m=6&q=60&o=f&l=f%22%3E%3CLINK_TEXT%20text=%22https://img-s-msn-com.akamaized.net/ten%20...%2060&o=f&l=f%22%3Ehttps://img-s-msn-com.akamaized.net/tenant/amp/entityid/AALtTMY.img?h=468&w=624&m=6&q=60&o=f&l=f%3C/LINK_TEXT%3E%3C/URL%3E%3Ce%3E)
That's 4 in one week
Assuming it's natives, they are of course angry, but not helping their cause at all
In all fairness, Rome is not helping control anger much.
Title: Re: First Nation in Kamloops, B.C., confirms 215 kids - NOW the Cowessess 3X MORE
Post by: cc on June 27, 2021, 01:04:11 PM
Post by: cc on June 27, 2021, 01:04:11 PM
In all fairness, Rome is not helping control anger much.
Just to be clear, do you mean by Rome not demonstrating acceptance of blame?
Title: Re: First Nation in Kamloops, B.C., confirms 215 kids - NOW the Cowessess 3X MORE
Post by: Anonymous on June 27, 2021, 01:15:05 PM
Post by: Anonymous on June 27, 2021, 01:15:05 PM
In all fairness, Rome is not helping control anger much.
Just to be clear, do you mean by Rome not demonstrating acceptance of blame?
Yes.
Title: Re: First Nation in Kamloops, B.C., confirms 215 kids - NOW the Cowessess 3X MORE
Post by: cc on June 27, 2021, 04:31:43 PM
Post by: cc on June 27, 2021, 04:31:43 PM
I saw a news item where a member of the indigenous people was being interviewed. He said that this matter about bodies buried in unmarked graves have been known to their people for so long. So then why didn't they do anything about it when they first heard of it and they are showing outrage now? If they have known this before then the outrage is not too genuine, is it? That is like pretend outrage, no?
I find it hard to believe this is a total shock to Aboriginal leaders.
Exactly.
That's a good point....why are we only hearing about this now.
They needed proof which prior to this radar they did not have. Digging will give absolute proofs
The Chief of the Cowessess Nation today called on the Pope to apologize strongly, forthrightly and in very clear language.
Now they now have clear proof & "scope" .. and soon will get even solider proofs and scopes
.
It's not a shock .. They always knew but couldn't prove it. Nor could they know the scope .. See directly above
I saw a news item where a member of the indigenous people was being interviewed. He said that this matter about bodies buried in unmarked graves have been known to their people for so long. So then why didn't they do anything about it when they first heard of it and they are showing outrage now? If they have known this before then the outrage is not too genuine, is it? That is like pretend outrage, no?
I find it hard to believe this is a total shock to Aboriginal leaders.
Title: Re: First Nation in Kamloops, B.C., confirms 215 kids - NOW the Cowessess 3X MORE
Post by: Anonymous on June 27, 2021, 04:53:03 PM
Post by: Anonymous on June 27, 2021, 04:53:03 PM
Good questions From some other scattered thread:
I saw a news item where a member of the indigenous people was being interviewed. He said that this matter about bodies buried in unmarked graves have been known to their people for so long. So then why didn't they do anything about it when they first heard of it and they are showing outrage now? If they have known this before then the outrage is not too genuine, is it? That is like pretend outrage, no?
I find it hard to believe this is a total shock to Aboriginal leaders.
Exactly.
That's a good point....why are we only hearing about this now.
They needed proof which prior to this radar they did not have. Digging will give absolute proofs
The Chief of the Cowessess Nation today called on the Pope to apologize strongly, forthrightly and in very clear language.I always thought when they talked about it that this is what they wanted all along and explains their actions before and now
Now they now have clear proof & "scope" .. and soon will get even solider proofs and scope
.It's not a shock .. They always knew but couldn't prove it. Nor could they know the scope .. See directly above
I saw a news item where a member of the indigenous people was being interviewed. He said that this matter about bodies buried in unmarked graves have been known to their people for so long. So then why didn't they do anything about it when they first heard of it and they are showing outrage now? If they have known this before then the outrage is not too genuine, is it? That is like pretend outrage, no?
I find it hard to believe this is a total shock to Aboriginal leaders.
Maybe it's just me cc, but I've never heard Aboriginal leaders call for an investigation into unmarked graves before Kamloops.
Title: Re: First Nation in Kamloops, B.C., confirms 215 kids - NOW the Cowessess 3X MORE
Post by: cc on June 27, 2021, 04:59:05 PM
Post by: cc on June 27, 2021, 04:59:05 PM
We also heard it often including from leaders when we did a project for them .. including being referred to in council during our business meetings ...
Title: Re: First Nation in Kamloops, B.C., confirms 215 kids - NOW the Cowessess 3X MORE
Post by: Anonymous on June 27, 2021, 05:00:53 PM
Post by: Anonymous on June 27, 2021, 05:00:53 PM
This all goes way back. I was told of it by many natives directly as a teen
We also heard it often including from leaders when we did a project for them .. including being referred to in council during our business meetings
Prior to Kamloops, I'd never heard about it.
Title: Re: First Nation in Kamloops, B.C., confirms 215 kids - NOW the Cowessess 3X MORE
Post by: cc on June 27, 2021, 05:03:12 PM
Post by: cc on June 27, 2021, 05:03:12 PM
It has been Canada's dirty little secret / not so secret for many decades
I've always heard it referred to as the Church (or Churches) did it, not so much blame on Canada ... Which is why the Chief of the Cowessess Nation today called on the Pope to apologize strongly, forthrightly and in very clear language.
It now appears there are so many, that murder had to be involved with many if not most .. which is what the Cowessess and others have always believed
Title: Re: First Nation in Kamloops, B.C., confirms 215 kids - NOW the Cowessess 3X MORE
Post by: Odinson on June 27, 2021, 05:06:33 PM
Post by: Odinson on June 27, 2021, 05:06:33 PM
It should be settled.
But I guess they are gonna revisit this thing every time some1 discovers something from that era.
Title: Re: First Nation in Kamloops, B.C., confirms 215 kids - NOW the Cowessess 3X MORE
Post by: Anonymous on June 27, 2021, 05:11:59 PM
Post by: Anonymous on June 27, 2021, 05:11:59 PM
Technically they were compensated a decade ago.
It should be settled.
But I guess they are gonna revisit this thing every time some1 discovers something from that era.
Who was compensated?
How come you know more about this me and you don't even live in this country?
Title: Re: First Nation in Kamloops, B.C., confirms 215 kids - NOW the Cowessess 3X MORE
Post by: Odinson on June 27, 2021, 05:26:48 PM
Post by: Odinson on June 27, 2021, 05:26:48 PM
Technically they were compensated a decade ago.
It should be settled.
But I guess they are gonna revisit this thing every time some1 discovers something from that era.
Who was compensated?
How come you know more about this me and you don't even live in this country?
It was in the Finnish news article.
Some billions of canadian dollars were given to the victims in 2008.
With apologies.
The real number is around 4000 dead.
Title: Re: First Nation in Kamloops, B.C., confirms 215 kids - NOW the Cowessess 3X MORE
Post by: Anonymous on June 27, 2021, 05:35:26 PM
Post by: Anonymous on June 27, 2021, 05:35:26 PM
Technically they were compensated a decade ago.
It should be settled.
But I guess they are gonna revisit this thing every time some1 discovers something from that era.
Who was compensated?
How come you know more about this me and you don't even live in this country?
It was in the Finnish news article.
Some billions of canadian dollars were given to the victims in 2008.
With apologies.
The real number is around 4000 dead.
I never heard about that either..
I have some Googling to do.
Title: Re: First Nation in Kamloops, B.C., confirms 215 kids - NOW the Cowessess 3X MORE
Post by: Anonymous on June 27, 2021, 07:16:39 PM
Post by: Anonymous on June 27, 2021, 07:16:39 PM
Technically they were compensated a decade ago.
It should be settled.
But I guess they are gonna revisit this thing every time some1 discovers something from that era.
Who was compensated?
How come you know more about this me and you don't even live in this country?
It was in the Finnish news article.
Some billions of canadian dollars were given to the victims in 2008.
With apologies.
The real number is around 4000 dead.
There has been so many cash given to Indian leaders that I can't remember them all.
Title: Re: First Nation in Kamloops, B.C., confirms 215 kids - NOW the Cowessess 3X MORE
Post by: cc on June 27, 2021, 07:41:32 PM
Post by: cc on June 27, 2021, 07:41:32 PM
Catholic Church, was the majority operator
I'm sure the breakdown of all operators will come out soon
Title: Re: First Nation in Kamloops, B.C., confirms 215 kids - NOW the Cowessess 3X MORE
Post by: Anonymous on June 27, 2021, 08:09:51 PM
Post by: Anonymous on June 27, 2021, 08:09:51 PM
Title: Re: First Nation in Kamloops, B.C., confirms 215 kids - NOW the Cowessess 3X MORE
Post by: Anonymous on June 27, 2021, 08:23:15 PM
Post by: Anonymous on June 27, 2021, 08:23:15 PM
I saw on the news that Alberta had twenty five residential schools....sixteen were run by the Catholic Church and the remainder were operated by the Anglican and United churches.
it will be interesting to see if the United Church puts their money where their woke mouth is.
Title: Re: First Nation in Kamloops, B.C., confirms 215 kids - NOW the Cowessess 3X MORE
Post by: cc on June 27, 2021, 08:35:53 PM
Post by: cc on June 27, 2021, 08:35:53 PM
When this all shakes out it will be interesting to see the ration of burial problems .... and murders which will be harder to prove
Title: Re: First Nation in Kamloops, B.C., confirms 215 kids - NOW the Cowessess 3X MORE
Post by: Anonymous on June 27, 2021, 08:37:16 PM
Post by: Anonymous on June 27, 2021, 08:37:16 PM
True enough.
When this all shakes out it will be interesting to see the ration of burial problems .... and murders
It will for sure. It'll be quite a while though.
Title: Re: First Nation in Kamloops, B.C., confirms 215 kids - NOW the Cowessess 3X MORE
Post by: Anonymous on June 28, 2021, 07:50:10 PM
Post by: Anonymous on June 28, 2021, 07:50:10 PM
Title: Re: First Nation in Kamloops, B.C., confirms 215 kids - NOW the Cowessess 3X MORE
Post by: cc on June 28, 2021, 09:48:10 PM
Post by: cc on June 28, 2021, 09:48:10 PM
https://twitter.com/GarnettGenuis/status/1409133802878758922
Excellent point - Spot on!!!
Title: Re: First Nation in Kamloops, B.C., confirms 215 kids - NOW the Cowessess 3X MORE
Post by: Anonymous on June 28, 2021, 09:50:07 PM
Post by: Anonymous on June 28, 2021, 09:50:07 PM
Title: Re: First Nation in Kamloops, B.C., confirms 215 kids - NOW Even More, a 3rd so far
Post by: cc on June 30, 2021, 03:01:18 PM
Post by: cc on June 30, 2021, 03:01:18 PM
Of course there will be many more. Finally the churches will be found out for what they did
Title: Re: First Nation in Kamloops, B.C., confirms 215 kids - NOW Even More, a 3rd so far
Post by: cc on June 30, 2021, 03:10:19 PM
Post by: cc on June 30, 2021, 03:10:19 PM
St. Eugene Resort and its Sad History
The St. Eugene Mission is the only residential school in Canada to be converted to a fashionable resort.
About 200 metres away, across an immaculately mown green fairway, sits an elegant three-story red-brick building with ivy on the walls and a simple cross high on top: the St. Eugene Golf Resort & Casino. One couldn't imagine a greater contrast. The resort is attractive and distinctly upscale with an 18-hole championship golf course, a casino, a hotel with 125 rooms, meeting spaces, fine dining and well-stocked bars. The resort, which also includes a spa and first-class entertainment, is a sought-after destination for weddings and other high-end functions.
Title: Re: First Nation in Kamloops Kid Burial Sites - Now Even More, a 3rd Site Today
Post by: cc on June 30, 2021, 10:34:00 PM
Post by: cc on June 30, 2021, 10:34:00 PM
I don't think it's on native land like the other 4
Title: Re: First Nation in Kamloops, B.C., confirms 215 kids - NOW Even More, a 3rd so far
Post by: Anonymous on July 01, 2021, 01:05:33 AM
Post by: Anonymous on July 01, 2021, 01:05:33 AM
North of Cranbrook, beside the St. Mary River, with the soaring Rocky Mountains in the background, lies a little cemetery. Simple wooden crosses with peeling white paint, some fallen over, look lost amongst the tall untended grass and weeds. It's as though this graveyard and those buried here have been abandoned, forgotten.(//%3C/s%3E%3CURL%20url=%22https://roadstories.ca/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/St.-Eugene-Mission-Red-Brick-Schoolhouse-wooden-crosses.jpg%22%3E%3CLINK_TEXT%20text=%22https://roadstories.ca/wp-content/uploa%20...%20rosses.jpg%22%3Ehttps://roadstories.ca/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/St.-Eugene-Mission-Red-Brick-Schoolhouse-wooden-crosses.jpg%3C/LINK_TEXT%3E%3C/URL%3E%3Ce%3E)
St. Eugene Resort and its Sad History
The St. Eugene Mission is the only residential school in Canada to be converted to a fashionable resort.(//%3C/s%3E%3CURL%20url=%22https://roadstories.ca/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/exterior-of-St.-Eugene-Mission-Red-Brick-Schoolhouse.jpg%22%3E%3CLINK_TEXT%20text=%22https://roadstories.ca/wp-content/uploa%20...%20lhouse.jpg%22%3Ehttps://roadstories.ca/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/exterior-of-St.-Eugene-Mission-Red-Brick-Schoolhouse.jpg%3C/LINK_TEXT%3E%3C/URL%3E%3Ce%3E)
About 200 metres away, across an immaculately mown green fairway, sits an elegant three-story red-brick building with ivy on the walls and a simple cross high on top: the St. Eugene Golf Resort & Casino. One couldn't imagine a greater contrast. The resort is attractive and distinctly upscale with an 18-hole championship golf course, a casino, a hotel with 125 rooms, meeting spaces, fine dining and well-stocked bars. The resort, which also includes a spa and first-class entertainment, is a sought-after destination for weddings and other high-end functions.
Probably not a single plaque anywhere on the resort mentioning that kids were killed on that site.
Title: Re: First Nation in Kamloops Kid Burial Sites - Now Even More, a 3rd Site Today
Post by: cc on July 01, 2021, 04:42:18 PM
Post by: cc on July 01, 2021, 04:42:18 PM
Red handprints (no doubt meaning blood on it's hands") + the number 751 (the number believed found in Cowessess land in Sask)
Title: Re: First Nation in Kamloops Kid Burial Sites - Now Even More, a 3rd Site Today
Post by: Anonymous on July 01, 2021, 04:59:04 PM
Post by: Anonymous on July 01, 2021, 04:59:04 PM
Now a vandalized Catholic church in Calgary and not on native land
Red handprints (no doubt meaning blood on it's hands") + the number 751 (the number believed found in Cowessess land in Sask)
I didn't hear about this one cc.
Title: Re: First Nation in Kamloops Kid Burial Sites - Now Even More, a 3rd Site Today
Post by: cc on July 01, 2021, 05:09:30 PM
Post by: cc on July 01, 2021, 05:09:30 PM
Now, using other that DuckDuck search engine I see reference to 751, Ukrainian Catholic Church "3 hours ago" for item date ??
"Number 751 was spray painted throughout the main sign. This is the same number as the unmarked tomb found on June 25 at the site of a former residential school in Kauses First Nations, Saskatchewan"
Will check again later
It's a shame as the Ukrainian Catholic church has nothing to do with this while tragedy I would think
Title: Re: First Nation in Kamloops Kid Burial Sites - Now Even More, a 3rd Site Today
Post by: cc on July 01, 2021, 06:27:44 PM
Post by: cc on July 01, 2021, 06:27:44 PM
Title: Re: First Nation in Kamloops Kid Burial Sites - Now Even More, a 3rd Site Today
Post by: Anonymous on July 02, 2021, 01:09:33 AM
Post by: Anonymous on July 02, 2021, 01:09:33 AM
Strange - I saw it on Gobal news ticker just now including "751" painted on it - yet when I search I find search dominated by red hand prints on Calgary Ukrainian Catholic church in Calgary dated July 1
Now, using other that DuckDuck search engine I see reference to 751, Ukrainian Catholic Church "3 hours ago" for item date ??
"Number 751 was spray painted throughout the main sign. This is the same number as the unmarked tomb found on June 25 at the site of a former residential school in Kauses First Nations, Saskatchewan"
:confused1: unless it was hit twice ??https://eminetracanada.com/calgary-ukrainian-catholic-church-targeted-with-red-paint-for-overnight-vandalism-calgary/212263/
Will check again later
It's a shame as the Ukrainian Catholic church has nothing to do with this while tragedy I would think
I had the day off today and I didn't watch any news.
Title: Re: First Nation in Kamloops Kid Burial Sites - Now Even More, a 3rd Site Today
Post by: Anonymous on July 03, 2021, 03:08:04 PM
Post by: Anonymous on July 03, 2021, 03:08:04 PM
Residential school discoveries strike a chord with HRC survivors
When we heard about the children buried in unmarked graves at the Kamloops Residential School, we were very sad but not surprised. We have always believed survivors. The tragic truth is that many more bodies will be found at residential schools and other places of incarceration across Canada. We wanted to tell you how sorry we are but we also hope we might share experiences and work together.
We are survivors, too — forced into government-run institutions not because of our race, but because we were judged as inferior, labelled with developmental disabilities. Some had significant disabilities and others had none at all, but were misunderstood because we were born into poverty or broken homes. Admitted as children — even as babies — we were expected to spend the rest of our lives in institutions, where some died quite quickly and others suffered for years.
Instead of going to residential schools, some Indigenous children were sent to these provincial institutions, where they were often denied access to schooling, put to work immediately and treated especially badly. Indigenous institution survivors often lost connection to their communities.
Institution survivors tell about neglect, threats, punishments and abuse that sound very similar to what Indigenous students experienced in residential schools. Children and adults were forced to provide slave labour that saved the government money. All were traumatized by removal from their families and society. Like First Nations people we had to have a class-action lawsuit against the government to achieve a very small measure of recognition.
Hearing about unmarked graves of Indigenous children, we think the name of our group reflects a goal we share — to "Remember Every Name." We gather regularly at the cemetery of the first and largest institution in Canada — Huronia Regional Centre (HRC) located in Orillia, Ont. — to listen to the stories of survivors, to honour the babies, children and adults who died and to comfort each other with rituals, songs and solidarity. We commissioned an artist to create a beautiful memorial monument, which is pictured at
We acknowledge that the HRC Cemetery is on the traditional territory of the Anishinaabe Peoples and we wish to recognize and respect the long history of First Nations and Métis Peoples in Ontario. From 1903 to 2015, archeologists have reported finding evidence of previous Indigenous villages and cemeteries on the institution grounds.
Our class action required the Ontario government to maintain HRC's overgrown and neglected cemetery. Although institution staff had already built a monument that says there were "more than 2,000 people ... whose life journey ended here," and although their own 2015 archeology report said the number of burials was unknown, the Ontario government now contradicts itself and says only 1,379 people were buried. Most graves are unmarked; some are marked with numbered stones and only the most recent have proper markers with names and years of birth and death. The government has not acknowledged that its staff removed hundreds of grave markers, turned them over to hide the numbers and used them as paving stones. When some were found, staff did not return them to their proper places. The government has also denied that they disturbed many graves by digging a sewage pipe through rows of burials to establish a septic system in the cemetery. People who know what happened have kept silent.
We hope we can assist you by sharing our experience with ground penetrating radar (GPR), in which we were assisted by Jerry Melbye, PhD, a distinguished North American forensic anthropologist. The government surveyed the whole HRC Cemetery but would not release to the survivors GPR images of the sewer pipe and surrounding burials. The Ontario government refused Dr. Melbye's pro bono offer to investigate. Further searches beyond the cemetery are needed because survivors have always said that people were buried elsewhere on the grounds. Investigations should be done at 18 similar Ontario institutions and at others like them across Canada.
Our experience reinforces why First Nations must retain absolute control over burial investigations and reparations at residential schools. We have seen how government hid the truth and excluded survivors from access to information and participation in decisions.
Please connect with us so that we can learn from each other's experiences. We are reaching out in solidarity, to reveal the truth and Remember Every Name.
Sincerely,
Huronia Regional Centre survivors:
Betty Bond
Antoinette Charlebois
Harold Dougall
Beverley Link
Brian Logie
Cindy Scott
Marie Slark
Carrieanne Tompkins
Remember Every Name allies:
Jim and Marilyn Dolmage
Debbie Vernon
Mitchell Wilson
Title: Re: First Nation in Kamloops Kid Burial Sites - Now Even More, a 3rd Site Today
Post by: cc on July 03, 2021, 03:38:09 PM
Post by: cc on July 03, 2021, 03:38:09 PM
Title: Re: First Nation in Kamloops Kid Burial Sites - Now Even More, a 3rd Site Today
Post by: Anonymous on July 03, 2021, 03:43:20 PM
Post by: Anonymous on July 03, 2021, 03:43:20 PM
Seems that one ^^ cannot be blamed on churches
Nope, it is all on the government of Ontario.
The buildings are still there. I drive by it when I go golfing at Couchiching golf course up in Orillia. It is now the training headquarters for the OPP.
Title: Re: First Nation in Kamloops Kid Burial Sites - Now Even More, a 3rd Site Today
Post by: Anonymous on July 03, 2021, 04:36:07 PM
Post by: Anonymous on July 03, 2021, 04:36:07 PM
It is estimated that between four and six hundred babies died at the home, while at least another thousand survived and were adopted..
Even these lucky survivors often suffered from ailments caused by the unsanitary conditions and lack of care at the home.
Title: Re: First Nation in Kamloops Kid Burial Sites - Now Even More, a 3rd Site Today
Post by: Anonymous on July 03, 2021, 05:14:50 PM
Post by: Anonymous on July 03, 2021, 05:14:50 PM
There is an abandoned cemetery in the East end of Montreal which is believed to have held the remains of orphans who may have been the subject of human experimentation. According to testimony by individuals who were at the Cité de St-Jean-de-Dieu insane asylum, the orphans in the asylum's care were routinely used as non-consensual experimental subjects, and many died as a consequence.
Across Canada, ophanages were not pleasant places for kids to grow up. Much like residential schools, caring for kids was in short supply.
Title: Re: First Nation in Kamloops Kid Burial Sites - Now Even More, a 3rd Site Today
Post by: Anonymous on July 04, 2021, 12:55:43 AM
Post by: Anonymous on July 04, 2021, 12:55:43 AM
There is also the Duplesis Orphans in Quebec. Approximately 20,000 kids were wrongly certified as mentally ill by the provincial government of Quebec and confined to psychiatric institutions in the 1940s and 1950s. The children were deliberately miscertified in order to misappropriate additional subsidies from the federal government.
There is an abandoned cemetery in the East end of Montreal which is believed to have held the remains of orphans who may have been the subject of human experimentation. According to testimony by individuals who were at the Cité de St-Jean-de-Dieu insane asylum, the orphans in the asylum's care were routinely used as non-consensual experimental subjects, and many died as a consequence.
Across Canada, ophanages were not pleasant places for kids to grow up. Much like residential schools, caring for kids was in short supply.
The Duplesis orphans. Those places were Dr Josef Mengele's experiments combined with residential schools.
Title: Re: First Nation in Kamloops Kid Burial Sites - Now Even More, a 3rd Site Today
Post by: Anonymous on July 06, 2021, 08:30:35 PM
Post by: Anonymous on July 06, 2021, 08:30:35 PM
Title: Re: First Nation in Kamloops Kid Burial Sites - Now Even More, a 3rd Site Today
Post by: cc on July 06, 2021, 10:04:12 PM
Post by: cc on July 06, 2021, 10:04:12 PM
As I mentioned before, Cowessess run a good ship - we were impressed in working with them onsite & in Council Meetings for a large 6 months project
Further, our contract called for local labour - Running under my mate and his longtime job Supt. with a crew of 5-8 locals, project was efficient and turned out great .. and on time
Also, they paid as promised. Never missed a beat
Title: Re: First Nation in Kamloops Kid Burial Sites - Now Even More, a 3rd Site Today
Post by: Anonymous on July 06, 2021, 10:11:56 PM
Post by: Anonymous on July 06, 2021, 10:11:56 PM
I think a good move and the way it always should have been
As I mentioned before, Cowessess run a good ship - we were impressed in working with them onsite & in Council Meetings for a large 6 months project
Further, our contract called for local labour - Running under my mate and his longtime job Supt. , project was efficient and turned out great .. and on time
We have to hire local labour when we work on reservations. Aint a problem most times.
Title: Re: First Nation in Kamloops Kid Burial Sites - Now Even More, a 3rd Site Today
Post by: Thiel on July 06, 2021, 10:37:34 PM
Post by: Thiel on July 06, 2021, 10:37:34 PM
Cowessess First Nation will retake jurisdiction of child welfare, according to Chief Cadmus Delorme. Cowessess has not had decision-making power over children in care since it was stripped of it in 1951, according to a letter distributed by Delorme on Monday.
A positive, but long overdue development. Over three quarters if the kids in foster care in Western Canada are Native.
Title: Re: First Nation in Kamloops Kid Burial Sites - Now Even More, a 3rd Site Today
Post by: Anonymous on July 07, 2021, 01:00:25 AM
Post by: Anonymous on July 07, 2021, 01:00:25 AM
Canada's acts of goodness far outweigh the crimes of past generationsQuote
If the sanctimonious and self-righteous mainstream media is to be believed, many Canadians did not celebrate our national holiday, Canada Day. A Toronto Star columnist even exaggerated the sins of our country to ask readers "how can we sleep at night."
There is no question that the discovery of over 1,000 unmarked graves of Indigenous children at residential schools in B.C. and Saskatchewan has left the country in shock and sorrow.
July 1, 1867, was the day our country came into legal existence as a confederation in a way that left out any mention of the First Nations, Inuit and Metis peoples of this land. Today, our shortcomings of yesteryears are visible to the whole world that saw many such tragedies resulting from European colonialism.
Back in India, my ancestors fought the first Indian War of Independence in 1857 against British troops that left a country in tatters with bodies of freedom fighters hung for hundreds of miles in all directions from Delhi.
On Thursday I did celebrate Canada Day to honour not just this adopted country of mine, but to view its successes and failures in the context of time and history. Those who showered disdain on our flag and fabric did so by displaying to the rest of the world the uniqueness of our values that permit such behaviour, which in many other countries would be considered treason.
On Monday, a Pakistani-based YouTuber asked me why so many South Asians migrated to Canada compared to other destinations around the globe. Before I could complete my answer and explain the phenomenon of there being more Sikhs in Canada's parliament than in India itself, she interjected: What are Canadians like?
"I am a Canadian," I responded. But she interrupted me saying she meant "real Canadians," not immigrants who settled here. She wanted to know about white Canadians of European ancestry who arrived centuries ago.
Perhaps I should have referred her to the quintessential Canadian aspect of our culture — to be humble.
Who else but a Canadian would say "I'm sorry" after winning the U.S. Tennis Open in September 2019? Shortly after defeating the crowd favourite, Serena Williams, Canadian sensation Bianca Andreescu took a moment to apologize for winning, acknowledging that the U.S. crowd would have preferred to see Williams triumph.
My interviewer's silence seemed to suggest she was lost in her imagination as I explained that Canada's prime minister is a Catholic of both Anglo and French ancestry, opposition leader Erin O'Toole is a traditional Canadian nationalist who has a military background, and the left-wing party is headed by Jagmeet Singh, a turbaned Sikh, while the Greens are led by a Black woman who is Jewish.
Canada is a country that despite being surrounded by an ocean of free-market capitalism was able to establish an island of socialized medicine in Saskatchewan under the guiding hands of the "greatest Canadian of all time," Tommy Douglas, who went on to head the CCF, which later became the NDP.
Douglas was preceded by Canadian surgeon Norman Bethune, who as a communist and First World War veteran went to fight alongside the Republicans in the Spanish Civil War against Gen. Franco and later settled down in China where he introduced modern medicine in rural areas during the Second Sino-Japanese War.
The tradition of the selfless caring Canadian set by Dr. Bethune in China continues to this day in the role former Ontario premier Bob Rae has played in Myanmar on behalf of the Rohingya Muslims who have been abandoned to their fate by all self-styled Islamic countries, except Bangladesh.
We opened our doors for Hungarians in 1956, Czechs in 1968 and Syrians in 2018 not to mention the "boat people" of Vietnam. Our acts of decency and goodness far outweigh the crimes of our past generations. The answer is to celebrate Canada Day by honouring our First Nations and the values we have inherited over 400 years of crystallizing the best of Britain, France and the United States.
To the thankless and selfish do-gooders riding the coattails of our First Nations' tragedy, I suggest you burn your Canadian passports. As for me, I will wave the Maple Leaf and thank Canada for its humility, generosity and truthfulness and never forget the First Nations on whose land Canada exists.https://torontosun.com/opinion/columnists/fatah-canadas-acts-of-goodness-far-outweigh-the-crimes-of-past-generations?fbclid=IwAR0vEUfPoevz563F0jsxEhGhKOhsHOmvni8yKs1f89YKi2vSiS93wtu49zg
Title: Re: First Nation in Kamloops Kid Burial Sites - Now Even More, a 3rd Site Today
Post by: Thiel on July 07, 2021, 01:40:17 AM
Post by: Thiel on July 07, 2021, 01:40:17 AM
Title: Re: First Nation in Kamloops Kid Burial Sites - Now Even More, a 3rd Site Today
Post by: Anonymous on July 07, 2021, 12:17:25 PM
Post by: Anonymous on July 07, 2021, 12:17:25 PM
While Canadian women were first granted the right to vote through the suffrage movement in Canada in 1916 (Manitoba provincial election) that right was not extend to First Nations people's until 1960, when Conservative Prime Minister John Diefenbaker's government began drafting the Canadian bill of Rights. With an emphasis on equal rights for all Canadians the Conservative government at the time believed Indians could not be ignored.
Another fun fact-residential schools ended under a Conservative Prime Minister-Mulroney
And our first official government apology came from a Conservative Prime Minister-Harper
The Trudeau family gave us the "White Paper" and a black face wearing PM
Allies not apologies, pay attention to actions not words.
Title: Re: First Nation in Kamloops Kid Burial Sites - Now Even More, a 3rd Site Today
Post by: cc on July 08, 2021, 01:39:28 PM
Post by: cc on July 08, 2021, 01:39:28 PM
Native Act fact of the day,
While Canadian women were first granted the right to vote through the suffrage movement in Canada in 1916 (Manitoba provincial election) that right was not extend to First Nations people's until 1960, when Conservative Prime Minister John Diefenbaker's government began drafting the Canadian bill of Rights. With an emphasis on equal rights for all Canadians the Conservative government at the time believed Indians could not be ignored.
Another fun fact-residential schools ended under a Conservative Prime Minister-Mulroney
And our first official government apology came from a Conservative Prime Minister-Harper
The Trudeau family gave us the "White Paper" and a black face wearing PM
Allies not apologies, pay attention to actions not words.
And in the US, despite current phony positioning, it was mainly Dems who owned slaves and it was Reps who freed them ... followed by Dems being KKK & Dems fighting segregation. In fact some Dem governors were ready for war in the 50s to keep segregation .. Wallace, Faubus etc etc
Title: Re: First Nation in Kamloops Kid Burial Sites - Now Even More, a 3rd Site Today
Post by: Anonymous on July 08, 2021, 02:09:19 PM
Post by: Anonymous on July 08, 2021, 02:09:19 PM
Title: Re: First Nation in Kamloops Kid Burial Sites - Now Even More, a 3rd Site Today
Post by: cc on July 08, 2021, 02:31:20 PM
Post by: cc on July 08, 2021, 02:31:20 PM
Title: Re: First Nation in Kamloops Kid Burial Sites - Now Even More, a 3rd Site Today
Post by: Anonymous on July 08, 2021, 04:11:33 PM
Post by: Anonymous on July 08, 2021, 04:11:33 PM
George Wallace was a Democrat.
Yes, he was.
The Democratic Party has elected members of the KKK to Congress. The aforementioned Robert Byrd was not only a recruiter for the KKK, he also rose to the position of "Exalted Cyclops" in his local chapter.
During the Lincoln-Douglas debates it was Lincoln who called for the end of slavery and it was Douglas who wanted it to continue.
The KKK was founded as a militant arm of the Democratic Party.
The 14th Amendment was pushed through over the objections of the Democratic Party.
It was a Democratic president named Bill Clinton that made light of the KKK involvement in Democratic politics.
It is the Democratic Party that has refused to allow African-Americans to prosper. They are the party of slavery in the past and they still enslave African-Americans today.
Title: Re: First Nation in Kamloops Kid Burial Sites - Now Even More, a 3rd Site Today
Post by: Anonymous on July 09, 2021, 11:32:20 PM
Post by: Anonymous on July 09, 2021, 11:32:20 PM
Six things the media got wrong about the graves found near Residential Schools
1. Unverified Reports
It is standard practice in journalism to clarify whether or not an allegation has been proven, in court or otherwise. But when the Tk'emlups band issued a press release stating that they had used ground penetrating radar to locate 215 unmarked graves, the media accepted the story without question or any verification.
The band said a report was forthcoming in mid-June – but no report has been released to date. No evidence of any sort has been put forth for public consideration. We don't know who carried out the research, whether it was a company or a university, or how the technology was used. At this point, we have a few claims, and nothing else.
This may be a minor point, but it's an important distinction nonetheless.
2. What exactly was "discovered"?
There has been incredible confusion over what exactly was discovered, and media outlets have used tremendous liberty in describing what the bands have claimed.
JJ McCullough has made this point on Twitter, showing all the various ways the media have described what was discovered.
The first nation band leaders say they used ground penetrating radar.
To be clear: nothing was "uncovered." No "bodies" were found. There was no excavation, nothing was unearthed, nothing was removed, no identities were confirmed.
So anything you may have read saying these graves belong to children, including some specific claims about the ages of these children, is speculation at this point.
Let me refer back to a National Post story that explains what ground penetrating radar actually does. They interviewed a professor of Anthropology who is also the director of the Institute of Prairie and Indigenous Archaeology. She said this of ground penetrating radar:
"It doesn't actually see the bodies. It's not like an X-ray."
"What it actually does is it looks for the shaft. When a grave is dug, there is a grave shaft dug and the body is placed in the grave, sometimes in a coffin, as in the Christian burial context. What the ground-penetrating radar can see is where that pit itself was dug, because the soil actually changes when you dig a grave. And occasionally, if it is a coffin, the radar can pick up the coffin sometimes as well."
We're talking about pretty rudimentary technology here, and a relatively imprecise process. The numbers are more or less a rough estimate.
So why have media reports been so bold in asserting these numbers as facts?
3. We don't know whose graves were discovered
The Tk'emlups band claimed the graves belonged to children at the school. So when the second two bands (Cowessess and Lower Kootaney) came forth with their own claims, many in the media jumped to the conclusion that these too were the graves of children from residential schools.
But that wasn't the claim made by the bands. In fact, in both Cowessess and Lower Kootaney, the graves are believed to be in community cemeteries, belonging to both First Nations and the broader Canadian community.
Tucked away at the very end of a report in the Globe and Mail on the findings at the Cowessess reserve in Saskatchewan, it said this:
"It appears that not all of the graves contain children's bodies, Lerat (who is one of the band leaders) said. He said the area was also used as a burial site by the rural municipality.
"We did have a family of non-Indigenous people show up today and notified us that some of those unmarked graves had their families in them – their loved ones," Lerat said."
So what we have here is an abandoned community cemetery, where people of different backgrounds were buried.
That's quite a leap from the original storyline that these graves belong to children who had died at a residential school.
4. NOT mass graves
These are not mass graves. Several media outlets, both in Canada and international outlets like the BBC, Al Jazeera, the New York Times and the Washington Post have recklessly and erroneously labeled these findings as mass graves.
This is incredibly irresponsible.
All three chiefs themselves have explicitly stated these are not mass graves.
Why is this important?
Mass graves are a hallmark of genocide. They conjure images of pure evil, the kind of evil that characterized collectivist governments in the 20th century.
Hitler, Stalin, Mao and Pol Pot.
These were truly evil leaders who used mass graves to cover their atrocities and crimes against humanity. These leaders carried out mass murder, and the mass graves went hand in hand.
The use of the term mass graves is wrong, and it is reckless. It conflates Canada's policy of forced assimilation through mandatory universal education, with Nazi death camps.
Let me be clear. Canada's policy was wrong. It was misguided and in too many cases, those who were responsible for caring for children in this country let them down, and let all of us down.
But that does not put Canada's residential schools on any level of equivalence with Auschwitz and other Nazi concentration camps.
It's good to see that the Washington Post made a correction on their story. Others should follow.
5. Cause of death
Many children who died at these schools died of natural causes. According to the Truth and Reconciliation Committee report in 2015, the number one cause of death was Tuberculosis.
You can argue that these children didn't receive proper health care, or that some of their immune systems could't handle living in close proximity to other children.
But negligence resulting in accidental death is quite different from murder, which is what many in politics and the media have suggested.
Since this news came out, there has been a near universal assumption in the media that these graves are evidence of Canada's Holocaust, as if the children had been deliberately killed.
Genocide requires intent. It requires a concerted and systematic effort to conduct mass murder and eliminate an entire race of people.
Canada's residential schools, however misguided, had the intent of educating children, assimilating them into the broader Canadian population, and ultimately lifting them out of poverty.
The policy was wrong, clearly. It was flawed and much harm resulted.
But there are a few orders of magnitude that separate the misguided intent of Catholic priests, nuns and Canadian government officials versus those of Nazi firing squads and gas chambers.
6. It's possible these weren't even unmarked graves.
Wooden graves, which were and are still the norm in First Nations communities in Western Canada, erode and disintegrate over time. It's possible these were once marked graves.
This is the claim being made by the former chief in the Lower Kootenay region (the third band to have announced the finding of graves.)
This is from a Global News story (my emphasis added):
The detection of human remains in unmarked graves at the site of a former residential school in B.C. was not an unexpected discovery, according to the area's former chief.
On Wednesday, it was confirmed that ground-penetrating radar found 182 unmarked graves in a cemetery at the site of the former Kootenay Residential School at St. Eugene Mission just outside Cranbrook, B.C.
The remains were found when remedial work was being performed in the area to replace the fence at the cemetery last year.
Sophie Pierre, former chief of the St Mary's Indian Band and a survivor of the school itself, told Global News that while the news of the unmarked graves had a painful impact on her and surrounding communities, they had always known the graves were there.
"There's no discovery, we knew it was there, it's a graveyard," Pierre said. "The fact there are graves inside a graveyard shouldn't be a surprise to anyone."
According to Pierre, wooden crosses that originally marked the gravesites had been burned or deteriorated over the years. Using a wooden marker at a gravesite remains a practice that continues to this day in many Indigenous communities across Canada.
So when we're talking about so-called unmarked graves, at least in the context of the Lower Kootenay Band, what we are more likely talking about is abandoned graves at an existing cemetery.
Abandoned graves where people of different backgrounds — not just children from residential schools — were buried.
What an amazing leap to go from an uncared for community cemetery to mass graves, mass murder and genocide.
Mark Twain once said to never let the truth get in the way of a good story. Well for journalists, they might say never let the facts get in the way of a good narrative.
Title: Re: First Nation in Kamloops Kid Burial Sites - Now Even More, a 3rd Site Today
Post by: Anonymous on July 10, 2021, 11:23:43 AM
Post by: Anonymous on July 10, 2021, 11:23:43 AM
Title: Re: First Nation in Kamloops Kid Burial Sites - Now Even More, a 3rd Site Today
Post by: Anonymous on July 10, 2021, 12:14:27 PM
Post by: Anonymous on July 10, 2021, 12:14:27 PM
Title: Re: First Nation in Kamloops Kid Burial Sites - Now Even More, a 3rd Site Today
Post by: Anonymous on July 13, 2021, 01:20:44 AM
Post by: Anonymous on July 13, 2021, 01:20:44 AM
Title: Re: First Nation in Kamloops Kid Burial Sites - Now Even More, a 3rd Site Today
Post by: Anonymous on July 13, 2021, 03:03:21 PM
Post by: Anonymous on July 13, 2021, 03:03:21 PM
The Penelakut Tribe in B.C.'s Southern Gulf Islands says it has found more than 160 "undocumented and unmarked" graves in the area, which was also once home to the Kuper Island Residential School.
terrible
Title: Re: First Nation in Kamloops Kid Burial Sites - Now Even More, a 3rd Site Today
Post by: Anonymous on July 14, 2021, 01:45:00 AM
Post by: Anonymous on July 14, 2021, 01:45:00 AM
Media reports were quick to characterize the graves as belonging to children who attended the nearby Marieval Indian Residential School. But according to a band councillor, that's not necessarily the case.
"It appears that not all of the graves contain children's bodies," Jon Z. Lerat told the Globe and Mail, noting that this was also the burial site used by the rural municipality.
"We did have a family of non-Indigenous people show up today and notified us that some of those unmarked graves had their families in them — their loved ones," Lerat said. Delorme added that oral stories said the graves belong to "both children and adults" as well as "people who attended the church or were from nearby towns."
Unlike the Tk'emlups band — who claims the unmarked graves were discovered on the grounds of the former residential school — the unmarked graves at Cowesses are in an existing cemetery. Delorme noted that the graves were once marked, but that the markings were removed at some point.
Interestingly, the same band was in the news two years ago touting its relationship with the local Catholic Church — after the church donated $70,000 to the Cowessess Band for the purpose of helping to "identify unmarked graves, and add fences and trees in the Cowessess Cemetery."
Emails and phone calls to the Cowessess Band went unreturned. It is unclear whether the 751 unmarked graves announced in June 2021 are the same as the graves discussed in the media in June 2019. It is also unclear how the Band spent the $70,000 donated by the church to upgrade the cemetery.
Next, on June 30, 2021, a third band, the Lower Kootenay Band near Cranbrook, B.C., announced its own finding of 182 unmarked graves.
Once again, the media emphasized a connection with the St. Eugene Mission Residential School — again implying these graves belong to children.
Like the Cowessess cemetery graves, the Lower Kootenay unmarked graves are within an existing cemetery — and again the cemetery was used by the broader community.
Perhaps this is why former chief Sophie Pierre told Global News: "there's no discovery, we knew it was there, it's a graveyard."
"The fact there are graves inside a graveyard shouldn't be a surprise to anyone."
Title: Re: First Nation in Kamloops Kid Burial Sites - Now Even More, a 3rd Site Today
Post by: Odinson on July 15, 2021, 06:03:33 PM
Post by: Odinson on July 15, 2021, 06:03:33 PM
There has been a number of epidemics within the 100 year history of those schools.
Child death rate used to be a lot higher.
Spanish flu, diphteria, polio, tuberculosis etc.
Those things could also explain why so many kids have died.
Just saying that there is a possibility.
Schools are a real breeding ground for all kinds of diseases.
Title: Re: First Nation in Kamloops Kid Burial Sites - Now Even More, a 3rd Site Today
Post by: Anonymous on July 16, 2021, 01:14:20 AM
Post by: Anonymous on July 16, 2021, 01:14:20 AM
The manner of the deaths should be investigated.
There has been a number of epidemics within the 100 year history of those schools.
Child death rate used to be a lot higher.
Spanish flu, diphteria, polio, tuberculosis etc.
Those things could also explain why so many kids have died.
Just saying that there is a possibility.
Schools are a real breeding ground for all kinds of diseases.
Relevant questions before jumping to conclusions. A lot of the graves are not even Indians, they are people from nearby communities. The prog media has made up their minds.
Title: Re: First Nation in Kamloops Kid Burial Sites - Now Even More, a 3rd Site Today
Post by: Anonymous on July 18, 2021, 01:48:57 AM
Post by: Anonymous on July 18, 2021, 01:48:57 AM
Conrad Black: Centuries of failed policy does not equal evil intent
Almost all Canadians who have given it any thought have serious regrets that the country's policy towards native people over the whole history of Canada since the arrival of the Europeans as settlers more than 400 years ago has failed. The reason for this is not "systemic racism." Canada was underpopulated and if New France had not passed into the hands of the British just before the American colonies seceded from the British Empire, it would have been assimilated into the United States. If the British governor, Sir Guy Carleton, had not succeeded, after four years of lobbying, in gaining adoption of the Québec Act by the British Parliament in 1774, the French Canadians would have accepted the invitation of George Washington and Benjamin Franklin (who was sent packing from Montreal), to join the Americans. In either scenario, the Indigenous Peoples of Canada would have had a much more difficult time with the American government than they have had with Canada. Many natives on American soil sought refuge in Canada including the great Chief Sitting Bull, who defeated the Seventh Cavalry and killed General George Armstrong Custer at the Battle of the Little Bighorn on June 25, 1876 (274 American dead).
The legitimate grievance of the natives is not that Europeans came here. Their grievance was that the expansion across North America of the settlers and the conversion of arable land to agriculture shrunk the ability of the Aboriginal people to feed themselves in traditional ways, and the natives were extremely susceptible to some illnesses brought from Europe, including smallpox and tuberculosis. A few utterances of colonial and Canadian officials can be removed from context and magnified to indicate fundamental hostility to the natives, but the principal attitude of successive authorities in Canada to Indigenous people was patronizing, feckless, ill-considered, and generally ineffectual benignity. We have to make up for our mistakes, our condescension, and at times our nastiness, but not for evil intent and particularly not genocidal ambitions of any kind. The reparations that have already been paid are more than adequate; what is needed now is a new policy worked out with responsible Indigenous leaders, of whom there are many. It is not beyond the wit of all of us to make a clean break from the past and produce a sharp improvement in the condition and of our long suffering Indigenous fellow citizens. Everyone can agree it is scandalous that the drinking water of many of the native people is unsanitary and the conditions in which many of them live are intolerable.
In the sudden national prostration of guilt and shame over centuries of Indigenous policy, Canada has allowed the charlatans of the victimhood industry to defame French and English Canadians with the blood libel of racism, and their principal victim has been the distinguished chief founder of this country, Sir John A. Macdonald. Macdonald lamented in Parliament that Canada "had defrauded the Indians time and again under the Liberals, giving them inferior grain and oxen." There was nothing he could do about tuberculosis for which an adequate treatment was only successfully tested in 1949. It was also impossible for him to deal with the famine of the mid-1880s as rations would have had to been taken to the farthest reaches of the country where there were no roads. Macdonald said "We cannot allow the natives to starve and we cannot make them white men." The TRCR claims that Macdonald was "present at birth" of a policy of genocide, and that he went to "war" against the Indigenous people. These are malicious falsehoods. It is claimed that a policy of starvation between 1879 and 1883 constituted genocide. The Canadian government did what it could and the total number of deaths from famine as can best be calculated was 45; this does not meet any reasonable standard of genocide.
It is generally agreed that approximately 150,000 Indigenous children in the period of about a century after 1860 attended the infamous residential schools. But even the TRCR acknowledges that the schools began before Confederation so the attempt to blame them on Macdonald was simply a sadistic method of singling out for defamation the most admired figure in the history of Canadians. As for the dubious offence of "cultural genocide," insofar as it occurred, the culprits are the modern economy and technical advances in communication. Native children were strongly encouraged to speak English or French but no effort was made to deprive them of their native languages or prevent them from being spoken. Macdonald told the House of Commons in 1884 that the official hope was "the education in the ordinary branches of learning and the instruction in the industrial pursuits as well as the moral and social elevation of the Indian children," an unexceptionable mission. Macdonald demanded that girls be permitted to attend and opposed the imposition of mandatory attendance.
Macdonald championed the right to vote of the natives. Shortly after the so-called Frog Lake Massacre of 1885, Liberal MP David Mills demanded to know if Macdonald would permit Aboriginal people to "go from a scalping party to the polls." Macdonald said "Aboriginal Indians, formerly lords of the soil, formerly owning the whole of this country... are, in their own land, prevented from either sitting in this House, or voting for men to come here and represent their interests ...(They) are disenfranchised, and justly complain that they have no representation ... They have the same rights as the white man." The TRCR's assault upon John A. Macdonald is an outrage and the craven submission to it of many people and institutions throughout the country is even more contemptible.
Two final points: hysteria has been propagated about the discovery of unmarked graves at the Marieval cemetery in Saskatchewan, when It may include adults and people unconnected to the residential school. The Archdiocese told the Post that is has been made aware that there were grave markers at the cemetery that were removed in the 1960s. The widespread assumption that the graves were deliberately concealed are unfounded, and dramatic conclusions about the identity of the dead and manner of their deaths are, to say the least, premature.
Finally, Martin Lee, in a letter published in the National Post on July 5, disagreed with my statement that Quebec's Bill 96 comes closer to cultural genocide than the residential schools did. I believe that banning the country's majority official language in federal government offices and federally chartered corporate workplaces in Québec and restricting English language primary and secondary education to ever smaller numbers of people is a heavier blow aimed at the English language in Québec than encouraging one third of native children over a century for a few years each to learn English or French with no effort to prevent retention of their native tongue. Readers who are interested may judge the issue for themselves.
Title: Re: First Nation in Kamloops Kid Burial Sites - Now Even More, a 3rd Site Today
Post by: Anonymous on July 23, 2021, 10:36:57 PM
Post by: Anonymous on July 23, 2021, 10:36:57 PM
Title: Re: First Nation in Kamloops Kid Burial Sites - Now Even More, a 3rd Site Today
Post by: Anonymous on August 19, 2021, 06:46:32 PM
Post by: Anonymous on August 19, 2021, 06:46:32 PM
Title: Re: First Nation in Kamloops Kid Burial Sites - Now Even More, a 3rd Site Today
Post by: Anonymous on August 20, 2021, 10:02:54 AM
Post by: Anonymous on August 20, 2021, 10:02:54 AM
Strange that people decry residential schools but accept Liberal government sponsored institutionalization of infants and children. I am talking about Justine's national child care plan.
That's a real stretch Herm. Like Stephen Colbert comparing Joe Biden's disatrous pullout in Afghanistan to January 6.
Title: Re: First Nation in Kamloops Kid Burial Sites - Now Even More, a 3rd Site Today
Post by: cc on January 19, 2022, 03:12:43 PM
Post by: cc on January 19, 2022, 03:12:43 PM
Can find nothing after May & June reporting radar sightings ... zero
So after all the drama from around the world, all the apologies and promises of reparations etc. it seems they have not dug up even 1 body to confirm existence which they claimed they would do immediately
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Unless there is some actual evidence, the original story seems accurate
The whole story, it seems, was concocted to stir up hatred against Christians and stoke outrage. It succeeded.
In the seven months since this shocking news broke, not one body has been found, and not a single shovel-full of dirt has been excavated from the site in question. Contrary to the worldwide media coverage last summer, nothing, in fact, has been "discovered" on the grounds of the Kamloops Indian Residential School.
In a healthy society, this would be a scandal. A story that grabbed headlines for a week and inspired arson attacks that destroyed dozens of churches in Canada turns out to be based on flimsy, unexamined evidence at best, and an outright, pernicious lie at worst.
Title: Re: First Nation in Kamloops Kid Burial Sites - Now Even More, a 3rd Site Today
Post by: Anonymous on January 19, 2022, 04:39:15 PM
Post by: Anonymous on January 19, 2022, 04:39:15 PM
I just did multiple searches to find status on purported children's graves
Can find nothing after May & June reporting radar sightings ... zero
So after all the drama from around the world, all the apologies and promises of reparations etc. it seems they have not dug up even 1 body to confirm existence which they claimed they would do immediately[If anyone has actual and solid dig results, please submit - I could find nothing in my follow-up]
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Unless there is some actual evidence, the original story seems accurateNot One Corpse Has Been Found In The 'Mass Grave' Of Indigenous Children In Canada(//https)
The whole story, it seems, was concocted to stir up hatred against Christians and stoke outrage. It succeeded.
In the seven months since this shocking news broke, not one body has been found, and not a single shovel-full of dirt has been excavated from the site in question. Contrary to the worldwide media coverage last summer, nothing, in fact, has been "discovered" on the grounds of the Kamloops Indian Residential School.
In a healthy society, this would be a scandal. A story that grabbed headlines for a week and inspired arson attacks that destroyed dozens of churches in Canada turns out to be based on flimsy, unexamined evidence at best, and an outright, pernicious lie at worst.
Emotional manipulation. It's what this federal government and it's CBC soapbox are infamous for,
Title: Re: First Nation in Kamloops Kid Burial Sites - Now Even More, a 3rd Site Today
Post by: Bricktop on January 19, 2022, 04:42:26 PM
Post by: Bricktop on January 19, 2022, 04:42:26 PM
Title: Re: First Nation in Kamloops Kid Burial Sites - Now Even More, a 3rd Site Today
Post by: cc on January 19, 2022, 04:46:11 PM
Post by: cc on January 19, 2022, 04:46:11 PM
Seems the story above may well be true
Last I heard they were going to start excavations immediately ... then nada
Title: Re: First Nation in Kamloops Kid Burial Sites - Now Even More, a 3rd Site Today
Post by: Bricktop on January 19, 2022, 05:03:50 PM
Post by: Bricktop on January 19, 2022, 05:03:50 PM
Title: Re: First Nation in Kamloops Kid Burial Sites - Now Even More, a 3rd Site Today
Post by: Anonymous on January 19, 2022, 05:13:34 PM
Post by: Anonymous on January 19, 2022, 05:13:34 PM
I just did multiple searches to find status on purported children's graves
Can find nothing after May & June reporting radar sightings ... zero
So after all the drama from around the world, all the apologies and promises of reparations etc. it seems they have not dug up even 1 body to confirm existence which they claimed they would do immediately[If anyone has actual and solid dig results, please submit - I could find nothing in my follow-up]
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Unless there is some actual evidence, the original story seems accurateNot One Corpse Has Been Found In The 'Mass Grave' Of Indigenous Children In Canada(//2022/01/19/not-one-corpse-has-been-found-in-the-mass-grave-of-indigenous-children-in-canada/)
The whole story, it seems, was concocted to stir up hatred against Christians and stoke outrage. It succeeded.
In the seven months since this shocking news broke, not one body has been found, and not a single shovel-full of dirt has been excavated from the site in question. Contrary to the worldwide media coverage last summer, nothing, in fact, has been "discovered" on the grounds of the Kamloops Indian Residential School.
In a healthy society, this would be a scandal. A story that grabbed headlines for a week and inspired arson attacks that destroyed dozens of churches in Canada turns out to be based on flimsy, unexamined evidence at best, and an outright, pernicious lie at worst.
Title: Re: First Nation in Kamloops Kid Burial Sites - Now Even More, a 3rd Site Today
Post by: cc on January 19, 2022, 05:46:43 PM
Post by: cc on January 19, 2022, 05:46:43 PM
Then someone should pay for disseminating that disinformation.
Agreed, .. "should"
but it was loved by people in high and / or influential places. The media including US CNN etc .. BBC etc etc had a field day for weeks ..
They were all heavily invested in it .. as were Govts ... hence if it's not a valid story, nothing will happen
I can find zero on it one way or the other ... silence .. since the time it happened & was glommed onto & used for self-serving purposes
I'm still not sure what has happened as I cannot prove anything one way or the other ... seems Alabama is right about the earth & it fell off the edge .. or if a fake, maybe was pushed off so we bad whites could continue to beat ourselves up and it could continue to be used a a cudgel upon us by the self-righteous & self-flagellators
Title: Re: First Nation in Kamloops Kid Burial Sites - Now Even More, a 3rd Site Today
Post by: Anonymous on January 19, 2022, 06:16:31 PM
Post by: Anonymous on January 19, 2022, 06:16:31 PM
Then someone should pay for disseminating that disinformation.
Agreed, .. "should"
but it was loved by people in high and / or influential places. The media including US CNN etc .. BBC etc etc had a field day for weeks ..
They were all heavily invested in it .. as were Govts ... hence if it's not a valid story, nothing will happen
I can find zero on it one way or the other ... silence .. since the time it happened & was glommed onto & used for self-serving purposes
I'm still not sure what has happened as I cannot prove anything one way or the other ... seems Alabama is right about the earth & it fell off the edge .. or if a fake, maybe was pushed off so we bad whites could continue to beat ourselves up and it could continue to be used a a cudgel upon us by the self-righteous & self-flagellators
Various Asian media outlets picked up the story too.
Title: Re: First Nation in Kamloops Kid Burial Sites - Now Even More, a 3rd Site Today
Post by: Anonymous on January 19, 2022, 10:55:11 PM
Post by: Anonymous on January 19, 2022, 10:55:11 PM
I just did multiple searches to find status on purported children's graves
Can find nothing after May & June reporting radar sightings ... zero
So after all the drama from around the world, all the apologies and promises of reparations etc. it seems they have not dug up even 1 body to confirm existence which they claimed they would do immediately[If anyone has actual and solid dig results, please submit - I could find nothing in my follow-up]
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Unless there is some actual evidence, the original story seems accurateNot One Corpse Has Been Found In The 'Mass Grave' Of Indigenous Children In Canada(//https)
The whole story, it seems, was concocted to stir up hatred against Christians and stoke outrage. It succeeded.
In the seven months since this shocking news broke, not one body has been found, and not a single shovel-full of dirt has been excavated from the site in question. Contrary to the worldwide media coverage last summer, nothing, in fact, has been "discovered" on the grounds of the Kamloops Indian Residential School.
In a healthy society, this would be a scandal. A story that grabbed headlines for a week and inspired arson attacks that destroyed dozens of churches in Canada turns out to be based on flimsy, unexamined evidence at best, and an outright, pernicious lie at worst.
I knew it was half truths at best.
Title: Re: First Nation in Kamloops Kid Burial Sites - Now Even More, a 3rd Site Today
Post by: Bricktop on January 19, 2022, 10:57:13 PM
Post by: Bricktop on January 19, 2022, 10:57:13 PM
Title: Re: First Nation in Kamloops Kid Burial Sites - Now Even More, a 3rd Site Today
Post by: Anonymous on January 19, 2022, 11:08:04 PM
Post by: Anonymous on January 19, 2022, 11:08:04 PM
Despicable, but typical, 21st century journalism.
There will be hundreds of millions of dollars of our money spent getting to the bottom of this fake story.
Title: Re: First Nation in Kamloops Kid Burial Sites - Now Even More, a 3rd Site Today
Post by: Anonymous on January 19, 2022, 11:51:59 PM
Post by: Anonymous on January 19, 2022, 11:51:59 PM
Title: Re: First Nation in Kamloops Kid Burial Sites - Now Even More, a 3rd Site Today
Post by: cc on January 20, 2022, 12:22:52 AM
Post by: cc on January 20, 2022, 12:22:52 AM
However, it appears to be a fake. Yes, there are other "discoveries" and we have heard zip on all of them for quite a while
I just did a search and all I came up with was old news and some new search in Toronto a recently
As to any news of one single dig of one child .. nada ... and even one would be front page
In short I can find nothing to go on .. but they are not digging??? One would have thought that would have happened day one
Why no digging ????????????????????????
Title: Re: First Nation in Kamloops Kid Burial Sites - Now Even More, a 3rd Site Today
Post by: Anonymous on January 20, 2022, 01:06:22 AM
Post by: Anonymous on January 20, 2022, 01:06:22 AM
There is a caveat here. While that story I posted (above) say's it's all bogus, it and a total lack of any news of digging since is not proof.
However, it appears to be a fake. Yes, there are other "discoveries" and we have heard zip on all of them for quite a while
I just did a search and all I came up with was old news and some new search in Toronto a recently
As to any news of one single dig of one child .. nada ... and even one would be front page
In short I can find nothing to go on .. but they are not digging??? One would have thought that would have happened day one
Why no digging ????????????????????????
It does seem very suspicious.
Title: Re: First Nation in Kamloops Kid Burial Sites - Now Even More, a 3rd Site Today
Post by: Bricktop on January 20, 2022, 01:59:00 AM
Post by: Bricktop on January 20, 2022, 01:59:00 AM
Title: Re: First Nation in Kamloops Kid Burial Sites - Now Even More, a 3rd Site Today
Post by: Anonymous on January 20, 2022, 11:51:11 AM
Post by: Anonymous on January 20, 2022, 11:51:11 AM
I just did multiple searches to find status on purported children's graves
Can find nothing after May & June reporting radar sightings ... zero
So after all the drama from around the world, all the apologies and promises of reparations etc. it seems they have not dug up even 1 body to confirm existence which they claimed they would do immediately[If anyone has actual and solid dig results, please submit - I could find nothing in my follow-up]
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Unless there is some actual evidence, the original story seems accurateNot One Corpse Has Been Found In The 'Mass Grave' Of Indigenous Children In Canada(//2022/01/19/not-one-corpse-has-been-found-in-the-mass-grave-of-indigenous-children-in-canada/)
The whole story, it seems, was concocted to stir up hatred against Christians and stoke outrage. It succeeded.
In the seven months since this shocking news broke, not one body has been found, and not a single shovel-full of dirt has been excavated from the site in question. Contrary to the worldwide media coverage last summer, nothing, in fact, has been "discovered" on the grounds of the Kamloops Indian Residential School.
In a healthy society, this would be a scandal. A story that grabbed headlines for a week and inspired arson attacks that destroyed dozens of churches in Canada turns out to be based on flimsy, unexamined evidence at best, and an outright, pernicious lie at worst.
It went from one of the biggest news headliners last summer to crickets.
Title: Re: First Nation in Kamloops Kid Burial Sites - Where Are the Bodies???
Post by: cc on May 23, 2022, 05:15:43 PM
Post by: cc on May 23, 2022, 05:15:43 PM
I started this thread with good intentions, as experimental radar kept showing what it's experts defined as certain bodies of kids
Today, one year later - not on single claimed grave has been dug to verify the radar's indications .. NOT 1
I'm not saying the radar is wrong and I also know there were bad things happened in Residential Schools .. in fact the concept itself stinks to its core
However, why are they getting away with avoiding confirmation of at least a few bodies? .. and moving forward like it is established fact
Title: Re: First Nation in Kamloops Kid Burial Sites - Where Are the Bodies???
Post by: Anonymous on May 23, 2022, 05:17:43 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 23, 2022, 05:17:43 PM
So, Today is Memorial marking 1 year sincediscovery of potential burial sitesat former Kamloops residential school " ... Gov General ther etc. etc.etc.
I started this thread with good intentions, as experimental radar kept showing what it's experts defined as certain bodies of kids
Today, one year later - not on single claimed grave has been dug to verify the radar's indications .. NOT 1
I'm not saying the radar is wrong and I also know there were bad things happened in Residential Schools .. in fact the concept itself stinks to its core
However, why are they getting away with avoiding confirmation of at least a few bodies? .. and moving forward like it is established fact
Frickin scam
Title: Re: UpDate - First Nation in Kamloops Kid Burial Sites - Where Are the Bodies???
Post by: cc on May 23, 2022, 05:20:58 PM
Post by: cc on May 23, 2022, 05:20:58 PM
At the very least they do deliberately not want to test the theory one way or the other
One can only assume that is because if it turned out the radar was no good .. that part of the long sad story is shot dead
It is so obvious that the final step in the case case has not been proven but could be proven in a cpl of hours ... , and "usually curious" press won't even ask the question
Where Are the physical Bodies???
Title: Re: UpDate - First Nation in Kamloops Kid Burial Sites - Where Are the Bodies???
Post by: Anonymous on May 23, 2022, 07:14:54 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 23, 2022, 07:14:54 PM
Dunno - just dig & prove the case ffs
At the very least they do deliberately not want to test the theory one way or the other
One can only assume that is because if it turned out the radar was no good .. that part of the long sad story is shot dead
It is so obvious that the final step in the case case has not been proven but could be proven in a cpl of hours ... , and "usually curious" press won't even ask the question:mad:
Where Are the physical Bodies???
Where are the bodies? We need to know.
Title: Re: UpDate - First Nation in Kamloops Kid Burial Sites - Where Are the Bodies???
Post by: cc on May 23, 2022, 08:50:05 PM
Post by: cc on May 23, 2022, 08:50:05 PM
Problem is that bands govt & media have colluded to not even mention doing ONE single dig ... no doubt in case digging "could" reveal no or few bodies
Bottom line, they don't want to risk knowing so long as monies, contritionists, sympathies and further privileges keep flowing ... and no one says "let's see some bodies"
It's Escalating:
Now the Secretary General is indicating they were murdered ... which could be but with no bodies examined, there is zero evidence to support that.
Of course the media ans all others are running with it too
Title: Re: UpDate - First Nation in Kamloops Kid Burial Sites - Where Are the Bodies???
Post by: Anonymous on May 24, 2022, 09:41:18 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 24, 2022, 09:41:18 PM
I'm not about to say radar tracks are not bodies of kids
Problem is that bands govt & media have colluded to not even mention doing ONE single dig ... no doubt in case digging "could" reveal no or few bodies
Bottom line, they don't want to risk knowing so long as monies, contritionists, sympathies and further privileges keep flowing ... and no one says "let's see some bodies"
It's Escalating:
Now the Secretary General is indicating they were murdered ... which could be but with no bodies examined, there is zero evidence to support that.
Of course the media ans all others are running with it too
Digging won't happen.