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Quote from: "Renee"Sorry Canadians but the pipeline is not part of Obama's legacy. He has to appease the radical environmentalists so he can point to how he helped "fundamentally changed the culture of America".

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Quote from: "Renee"Sorry Canadians but the pipeline is not part of Obama's legacy. He has to appease the radical environmentalists so he can point to how he helped "fundamentally changed the culture of America".

I hate to admit, but you are bang on Renee. I don't think he will turn down the application. No, no, he will continue to drag his feet on this until he's outta there. Who wins you ask? Venezuela with the heavy crude coming into the Gulf by supertanker. They won't have to worry about superior Canadian oil displacing their shit.

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Quote from: "Renee"Sorry Canadians but the pipeline is not part of Obama's legacy. He has to appease the radical environmentalists so he can point to how he helped "fundamentally changed the culture of America".

I hate to admit, but you are bang on Renee. I don't think he will turn down the application. No, no, he will continue to drag his feet on this until he's outta there. Who wins you ask? Venezuela with the heavy crude coming into the Gulf by supertanker. They won't have to worry about superior Canadian oil displacing their shit.

Obama has no intention of allowing that pipeline to become a reality on his watch. He will have the EPA throw up road block after road block until he is long out of office.

Quote from: "Shen Li"

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I hate to admit, but you are bang on Renee. I don't think he will turn down the application. No, no, he will continue to drag his feet on this until he's outta there. Who wins you ask? Venezuela with the heavy crude coming into the Gulf by supertanker. They won't have to worry about superior Canadian oil displacing their shit.

Obama has no intention of allowing that pipeline to become a reality on his watch. He will have the EPA throw up road block after road block until he is long out of office.

Yep, he will get others to do his dirty work for him.

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Obama has no intention of allowing that pipeline to become a reality on his watch. He will have the EPA throw up road block after road block until he is long out of office.

Yep, he will get others to do his dirty work for him.

He is going to leave it Cankles Clinton or Crazy Uncle Joe to say yes so they can lock in union support in the next presidential election cycle.  That way he can say to his radical environmental supporters "look it wasn't me that sold you out" and history will recount how he fought against fracking and the  expansion of the big oil interests.

Quote from: "cc li tarte"I don't think you should do that.  



Amazing isn't it. All these years and he is untouched. Sure shoots you wace-baiter's theory all to hell, eh?



'Sides, "Only the good die young" anyhow.



Wambo newer white. Wambo aways Wong

Quote from: "Rambo Wong"I think that some racist twirlybrain is going to assassinate Obama.

Quote from: "Hornung"Only a racist, sinophobic, fucked in the head ... bla bla bla ... spam spam spam



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Quote from: "Rambo Wong"I think that some racist twirlybrain is going to assassinate Obama.

That brown camo should be assassinated...



Next time the democrats put a gay man up for election to get votes.



P.C. airheads will vote him because he is a homosexual...

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Quote from: "Rambo Wong"I think that some racist twirlybrain is going to assassinate Obama.

That brown camo should be assassinated...



Next time the democrats put a gay man up for election to get votes.



P.C. airheads will vote him because he is a homosexual...

I see Odumbo in the same light as Justin Trudeau. An unqualified celebutard wannabe in a position waaaaaay over their heads. Odumbo is far more radical than JT though.

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That brown camo should be assassinated...



Next time the democrats put a gay man up for election to get votes.



P.C. airheads will vote him because he is a homosexual...

I see Odumbo in the same light as Justin Trudeau. An unqualified celebutard wannabe in a position waaaaaay over their heads. Odumbo is far more radical than JT though.

I think that we have only seen the tip of the iceberg with Obama... But he might run out of time.

Quote from: "Odinson"This is his last term so he can freely wreak havoc.

QuoteFor the second time in recent memory, the U.S. State Department gave its thumbs up to the northern segment of the Keystone XL pipeline.



And with Groundhog Day just passed, it seems appropriate that the State Department's report was like deja vu.



Keystone, it found, would not have any effect on the future development of the oilsands. No one infrastructure project could.



It would have a minimal effect on wetlands and animals. Special mitigation and conservation measures would be enacted to protect a threatened species of beetle.



The pipeline would give the energy industry another way to move crude from Alberta's oilsands and the Bakken formation to refineries on the Gulf Coast.



Without Keystone, the State Department figures ever-more crude would move by train and tanker to reach Texas.



It also found the potential for spills and loss of life increases without a pipeline, although it also found far more product is lost should a pipeline spill occur.



Although Keystone will emit greenhouse gases over its lifetime, it is expected to have no net effect on global warming. In fact, the report found GHG emissions would be much higher if Keystone were denied, as energy firms seek alternatives to move crude.



Indeed, since the State Department began studying Keystone, the number of rail terminals dedicated to loading and unloading crude has grown exponentially.



Where you could count on two hands the number of such facilities in 2010, there are now far more, covering the whole continent.



The State Department's analysis shows even more terminals need to be built to accommodate future shipments of crude.



On the economic front, Keystone would have a negligible impact on the retail price of energy and energy consumption habits in the U.S.



Its construction would create 42,000 jobs but would only leave behind 30 permanent and 15 contractor positions.



If nothing else, this report cements what we know -- good and bad -- about Keystone.



It neuters the environmental arguments, with an acknowledgement of special measures taken by TransCanada Corp. above and beyond what is required to protect sensitive ecosystems.



It casts doubt on the claim that stopping Keystone would put the brakes on oilsands development and somehow cause us all to reduce our dependence on fossil fuels.



Rather, the report bolsters the case for those who argue any shift in our energy consumption can only be driven be demand -- not supply.



Anyone who remains opposed to Keystone XL is allowing feelings to get in the way of sound analysis.



And you know there's irrational argumentation and appeals to emotion going on.



It's a tactic of the environmental movement that extends beyond pipelines.



Look at the harassment of sealers on both sides of the Atlantic. We are still bombarded with campaigns to end the seal hunt despite humane hunting, despite every metric showing a more-than-healthy seal population, hungry for a fragile stock of their primary food source, cod.



And what of the Native people who depend on seal for income and sustenance?



The anti-sealing fight has its doughy-eyed, cute and cuddly seal pups; the anti-pipeline crusade has its stereotypical images of open-pit mines, oily sludge and previous pipeline leaks. Very powerful images, exploited to the utmost.



The State Department didn't buy into the anti-pipeline movement's latest marketing scheme.



It found Keystone the safest, most environmentally sound of all options to move crude.



It would be a credit to U.S. President Barack Obama's leadership if he did the same.  

http://www.calgarysun.com/2014/02/04/sound-argument-for-keystone

Quote from: "Odinson"Behold the descendants of vikings! Coming to melt womens hearts with their berserker moves..

QuoteThe thing you have to understand about the fight over the Keystone XL pipeline is that it's not a fight about reality.



If the issue is reality, then in light of the world's continuing demand for oil, the Alberta to Gulf Coast pipeline is a relatively safe, environmentally sound method of transporting it.



It's not perfect, or perfectly safe. No form of energy transportation - consider the Lac-Megantic rail tragedy - is. But it's better than the alternatives.



The U.S. State Department said as much on Friday, which is the same thing it said in 2011, which is the same thing five assessments of the Keystone XL have said over the past five years in what is starting to resemble the script of Bill Murray's Groundhog Day.



What the State Department is saying, again, is that since Alberta's oilsands are going to be developed anyway, the Keystone XL is not going to contribute significantly to global greenhouse gas emissions. In fact, it will cause fewer emissions than if the pipeline is scrapped and alternative methods of shipping the oil are employed, such as rail.



MORE: One small step for Keystone - with many more to come



That's the reality. But this isn't about reality. It's about politics.



The way the U.S. system works, the final call on Keystone rests with President Barack Obama alone.



Government agencies can comment on it - and more of them will now that the State Department has - but the buck stops with Obama.



Obama has said he has to be convinced Keystone will not contribute significantly to greenhouse gas emissions.



Since this is exactly what his own State Department keeps telling him, you would think presidential approval of Keystone would be a slam dunk.



Except it isn't because Obama, who is starting to resemble Hamlet in his reluctance to make a decision on Keystone, is a contradiction in terms.



Obama talks the talk of the environmental movement, while simultaneously boasting that under his administration U.S. oil, natural gas and coal production is booming along with (ironically) pipeline construction. Except for Keystone.



That's because Keystone has become the bogeyman used by environmentalists (and their fundraisers) to attack the entire fossil fuel industry.



These people aren't interested in making Keystone as safe as possible, or limiting its environmental impact as much as possible.



There is no conceivable set of conditions under which the U.S. and Canadian environmental movements will ever approve of Keystone.



There is nothing Prime Minister Stephen Harper or Natural Resources Minister Joe Oliver could say, or do, that would cause them to change their minds about Keystone.



The environmentalists want to kill Keystone by any means necessary, whether through political pressure or court challenges.



Logic has nothing to do with their position because Keystone, and indeed the oilsands, are insignificant contributors to greenhouse gas emissions compared to the real culprit in North America which is U.S. coal.



If logic was involved, environmentalists would be aiming their fire squarely at U.S. coal production and the fact that under Obama, American coal exports - the dirtiest fossil fuel - have reached record levels.



Domestically, U.S. greenhouse gas emissions are down but not because of anything the environmentalists have done.



MORE: Obama makes me happy to be Canadian



What's happened is that hydraulic fracturing (fracking) technology, which environmentalists oppose, is freeing up vast U.S. reserves of natural gas - the cleanest fossil fuel.



Some of that is now being used to replace coal-fired electricity in the U.S., thus lowering overall emissions.



But America still supplies about 40% of its domestic electricity needs through coal, compared to under 13% in Canada, where our main energy sources are non-greenhouse gas emitting hydro and nuclear power.



That said, all the U.S. - meaning Obama - is really doing is shipping its greenhouse gas emissions abroad to Europe and Asia through record coal exports.



That's why the ongoing five-year pier six brawl over Keystone is so absurd.



In terms of the issues it's ostensibly about, the oilsands and global greenhouse gas emissions, it's insignificant. Indeed, the oilsands are insignificant.



But this isn't a fight about reality.



It's a symbolic fight fueled by U.S. domestic politics and an American president who talks the talk of the environmentalists when it comes to Keystone, but who walks the walk of the U.S. fossil fuel industry on almost everything else.



Whatever decision Obama makes about Keystone, it will have nothing to do with reality. It will have everything to do with American politics.



That's why there's no way to predict what it will be.

http://www.sunnewsnetwork.ca/sunnews/straighttalk/archives/2014/02/20140202-091955.html