Fully vaccinated U.S. citizens and permanent residents will be allowed into Canada as of Aug. 9, joined by the rest of the world Sept. 7, federal officials announced Monday as the country prepares to lower border barriers that were erected to limit the spread of COVID-19.
However, the United States is not currently planning to reciprocate by easing travel restrictions on would-be Canadian visitors hoping to go south of the border.
Public Safety Minister Bill Blair said he briefed Homeland Security Sec. Alejandro Mayorkas about the steps Canada intended to take, but got no indication that the U.S. would be following suit before the existing restrictions are set for renewal on Wednesday.
"He indicated to me at this time they have not yet made a decision; they anticipate their measures would likely be (extended) on July 21," Blair told a news conference announcing the changes.
"They are obviously considering additional measures and data, but at the present time they have not indicated any plan to make any changes in the current border restrictions that are in place."
That imbalance is sure to aggravate domestic political tensions around the border issue in the U.S., where a growing chorus of congressional lawmakers have been pressing President Joe Biden and his officials to embrace their vaccination success to date and ease international travel restrictions.
Rep. Brian Higgins, the New York member of Congress who has spearheaded the American campaign, said as much in a statement Monday as he cheered the Canadian measures.
"It is extremely frustrating that the U.S. government has failed to reciprocate current family exemptions already allowed by the Canadian government and failed to show a lack of urgency to make any progress on this side of the border toward lifting restrictions," Higgins said.
"The U.S. has neglected to give reopening the northern border the serious attention it deserves, and there is no excuse. Failure to co-ordinate this announcement in a binational way will only lead to confusion among travelers."
https://www.cheknews.ca/fully-vaxxed-u-s-citizens-can-enter-canada-aug-9-rest-of-world-sept-7-846386/#:~:text=Fully%20vaccinated%20U.S.%20citizens%20and,the%20spread%20of%20COVID%2D19.
This is frustrating. We open our border to non essential travel by vaccinated Americans, but they don't reciprocate.
Is this what is supposed to be announced tomorrow?
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Fully vaccinated U.S. citizens and permanent residents will be allowed into Canada as of Aug. 9, joined by the rest of the world Sept. 7, federal officials announced Monday as the country prepares to lower border barriers that were erected to limit the spread of COVID-19.
However, the United States is not currently planning to reciprocate by easing travel restrictions on would-be Canadian visitors hoping to go south of the border.
Public Safety Minister Bill Blair said he briefed Homeland Security Sec. Alejandro Mayorkas about the steps Canada intended to take, but got no indication that the U.S. would be following suit before the existing restrictions are set for renewal on Wednesday.
"He indicated to me at this time they have not yet made a decision; they anticipate their measures would likely be (extended) on July 21," Blair told a news conference announcing the changes.
"They are obviously considering additional measures and data, but at the present time they have not indicated any plan to make any changes in the current border restrictions that are in place."
That imbalance is sure to aggravate domestic political tensions around the border issue in the U.S., where a growing chorus of congressional lawmakers have been pressing President Joe Biden and his officials to embrace their vaccination success to date and ease international travel restrictions.
Rep. Brian Higgins, the New York member of Congress who has spearheaded the American campaign, said as much in a statement Monday as he cheered the Canadian measures.
"It is extremely frustrating that the U.S. government has failed to reciprocate current family exemptions already allowed by the Canadian government and failed to show a lack of urgency to make any progress on this side of the border toward lifting restrictions," Higgins said.
"The U.S. has neglected to give reopening the northern border the serious attention it deserves, and there is no excuse. Failure to co-ordinate this announcement in a binational way will only lead to confusion among travelers."
https://www.cheknews.ca/fully-vaxxed-u-s-citizens-can-enter-canada-aug-9-rest-of-world-sept-7-846386/#:~:text=Fully%20vaccinated%20U.S.%20citizens%20and,the%20spread%20of%20COVID%2D19.
This is frustrating. We open our border to non essential travel by vaccinated Americans, but they don't reciprocate.
Who the fuck cares. Who'd want to go to the US anyway.
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Fully vaccinated U.S. citizens and permanent residents will be allowed into Canada as of Aug. 9, joined by the rest of the world Sept. 7, federal officials announced Monday as the country prepares to lower border barriers that were erected to limit the spread of COVID-19.
However, the United States is not currently planning to reciprocate by easing travel restrictions on would-be Canadian visitors hoping to go south of the border.
Public Safety Minister Bill Blair said he briefed Homeland Security Sec. Alejandro Mayorkas about the steps Canada intended to take, but got no indication that the U.S. would be following suit before the existing restrictions are set for renewal on Wednesday.
"He indicated to me at this time they have not yet made a decision; they anticipate their measures would likely be (extended) on July 21," Blair told a news conference announcing the changes.
"They are obviously considering additional measures and data, but at the present time they have not indicated any plan to make any changes in the current border restrictions that are in place."
That imbalance is sure to aggravate domestic political tensions around the border issue in the U.S., where a growing chorus of congressional lawmakers have been pressing President Joe Biden and his officials to embrace their vaccination success to date and ease international travel restrictions.
Rep. Brian Higgins, the New York member of Congress who has spearheaded the American campaign, said as much in a statement Monday as he cheered the Canadian measures.
"It is extremely frustrating that the U.S. government has failed to reciprocate current family exemptions already allowed by the Canadian government and failed to show a lack of urgency to make any progress on this side of the border toward lifting restrictions," Higgins said.
"The U.S. has neglected to give reopening the northern border the serious attention it deserves, and there is no excuse. Failure to co-ordinate this announcement in a binational way will only lead to confusion among travelers."
https://www.cheknews.ca/fully-vaxxed-u-s-citizens-can-enter-canada-aug-9-rest-of-world-sept-7-846386/#:~:text=Fully%20vaccinated%20U.S.%20citizens%20and,the%20spread%20of%20COVID%2D19.
This is frustrating. We open our border to non essential travel by vaccinated Americans, but they don't reciprocate.
Who the fuck cares. Who'd want to go to the US anyway.
I do. I want to go golfing in Florida in January.
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Fully vaccinated U.S. citizens and permanent residents will be allowed into Canada as of Aug. 9, joined by the rest of the world Sept. 7, federal officials announced Monday as the country prepares to lower border barriers that were erected to limit the spread of COVID-19.
However, the United States is not currently planning to reciprocate by easing travel restrictions on would-be Canadian visitors hoping to go south of the border.
Public Safety Minister Bill Blair said he briefed Homeland Security Sec. Alejandro Mayorkas about the steps Canada intended to take, but got no indication that the U.S. would be following suit before the existing restrictions are set for renewal on Wednesday.
"He indicated to me at this time they have not yet made a decision; they anticipate their measures would likely be (extended) on July 21," Blair told a news conference announcing the changes.
"They are obviously considering additional measures and data, but at the present time they have not indicated any plan to make any changes in the current border restrictions that are in place."
That imbalance is sure to aggravate domestic political tensions around the border issue in the U.S., where a growing chorus of congressional lawmakers have been pressing President Joe Biden and his officials to embrace their vaccination success to date and ease international travel restrictions.
Rep. Brian Higgins, the New York member of Congress who has spearheaded the American campaign, said as much in a statement Monday as he cheered the Canadian measures.
"It is extremely frustrating that the U.S. government has failed to reciprocate current family exemptions already allowed by the Canadian government and failed to show a lack of urgency to make any progress on this side of the border toward lifting restrictions," Higgins said.
"The U.S. has neglected to give reopening the northern border the serious attention it deserves, and there is no excuse. Failure to co-ordinate this announcement in a binational way will only lead to confusion among travelers."
https://www.cheknews.ca/fully-vaxxed-u-s-citizens-can-enter-canada-aug-9-rest-of-world-sept-7-846386/#:~:text=Fully%20vaccinated%20U.S.%20citizens%20and,the%20spread%20of%20COVID%2D19.
This is frustrating. We open our border to non essential travel by vaccinated Americans, but they don't reciprocate.
Jim Crow Joe won't let vaccinated Canadians enter the US to spend money, but he put out a welcome mat at the Southern border for COVID carrying illegal aliens who will suck taxpayers dry.
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Who the fuck cares. Who'd want to go to the US anyway.
Me. Would be nice to see my daughter who is only 30 miles away
PS: There was something about a test within 72 hours before coming into Canada
Also US has not moved, so it's really a confused mess
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Jim Crow Joe won't let vaccinated Canadians enter the US to spend money, but he put out a welcome mat at the Southern border for COVID carrying illegal aliens who will suck taxpayers dry.
Well of course. That's what Dems do. 0 did the same ... future voters & ABSOLUTE control, eh?
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Who the fuck cares. Who'd want to go to the US anyway.
Me. Would be nice to see my daughter who is only 30 miles away
PS: There was something about a test within 72 hours before coming into Canada
Also US has not moved, so it's really a confused mess
The US is a confused country. I don't have family living there. It's easy for me to avoid that country and that's excatly what I'll do.
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Jim Crow Joe won't let vaccinated Canadians enter the US to spend money, but he put out a welcome mat at the Southern border for COVID carrying illegal aliens who will suck taxpayers dry.
Well of course. That's what Dems do. 0 did the same ... future voters & ABSOLUTE control, eh?
Obama never had a pandemic on the scale of COVID-19 to deal with.
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Jim Crow Joe won't let vaccinated Canadians enter the US to spend money, but he put out a welcome mat at the Southern border for COVID carrying illegal aliens who will suck taxpayers dry.
Well of course. That's what Dems do. 0 did the same ... future voters & ABSOLUTE control, eh?
Obama never had a pandemic on the scale of COVID-19 to deal with.
True. What I was referring to was 0's penchant for opening the boarder period .. . and in fact encouraging illegals to enter .. I should have been more specific
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Jim Crow Joe won't let vaccinated Canadians enter the US to spend money, but he put out a welcome mat at the Southern border for COVID carrying illegal aliens who will suck taxpayers dry.
Well of course. That's what Dems do. 0 did the same ... future voters & ABSOLUTE control, eh?
Obama never had a pandemic on the scale of COVID-19 to deal with.
True. What I was referring to was 0's penchant for opening the boarder period .. . and in fact encouraging illegals to enter .. I should have been more specific
But, didn't he also deport a lot more illegal aliens than his predecessor, George W. Bush.
Not sure how many if any deportions
I do know terrible border situation of him taking in so many greatly helped trump win
Of course, now it's a great deal worse than even when 0 was in
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Not sure how many if any deportions
I do know terrible border situation of him taking in so many greatly helped trump win
Of course, now it's a great deal worse than even when 0 was in
I remember some media pundits were calling Obama the "deporter-in-chief."
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Not sure how many if any deportions
I do know terrible border situation of him taking in so many greatly helped trump win
Of course, now it's a great deal worse than even when 0 was in
Obama opened the borders and sent them back. It depended on which ways the political winds were blowing.
Bottom line, he caused a lot to stay .. and without approval or papers
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Not sure how many if any deportions
I do know terrible border situation of him taking in so many greatly helped trump win
Of course, now it's a great deal worse than even when 0 was in
I remember some media pundits were calling Obama the "deporter-in-chief."
I remember that label......I didn't know which president it was applied to.
0 was not actually known as that .. and certainly did not earn the term.
Only a Hispanic group National Council of La Raza tried it on for size as propaganda ... as of course they wanted zero deportations, despite the law requiring deportations
Pictures taken to shame Trump showing children locked up at a border detention centre were actually taken while Obama was POTUS.
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Pictures taken to shame Trump showing children locked up at a border detention centre were actually taken while Obama was POTUS.
Exactly ... old file footage
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Pictures taken to shame Trump showing children locked up at a border detention centre were actually taken while Obama was POTUS.
Yes, I remember those photos.
The US had 61,000 cases yesterday and Canada had 382. Yet, we're letting them in as of August 9 and they aren't reciprocating.
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The US had 61,000 cases yesterday and Canada had 382. Yet, we're letting them in as of August 9 and they aren't reciprocating.
Yes, that's like 20 / 1 per population and cases in US have been climbing for many weeks now - and much faster this week in fact
Do we really want them coming here?
And I guess we could also say do we want our people going there, interacting and returning here
At the same time, we are on a bit of a rise this week and have no idea where this whole thing is going for us in the future
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The US had 61,000 cases yesterday and Canada had 382. Yet, we're letting them in as of August 9 and they aren't reciprocating.
Yes, that's like 20 / 1 per population and cases in US have been climbing for many weeks now - and much faster this week in fact
Do we really want them coming here?
And I guess we could also say do we want our people going there, interacting and returning here
At the same time, we are on a bit of a rise this week and have no idea where this whole thing is going for us in the future
I want them to come here provided they have been fully vaccinated. Our economy will never fully recover until that border is open.
Agree on economy. I was just thinking out loud
At same time, I just looked and Washington, BCers usual target, had 1,264 yesterday
Fully vaccinated makes it better, although I'm waiting on more stats of how vaxx is actually doing vs variants .. So far, not enough data to really know what to expect
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The US had 61,000 cases yesterday and Canada had 382. Yet, we're letting them in as of August 9 and they aren't reciprocating.
Yes, that's like 20 / 1 per population and cases in US have been climbing for many weeks now - and much faster this week in fact
Do we really want them coming here?
And I guess we could also say do we want our people going there, interacting and returning here
At the same time, we are on a bit of a rise this week and have no idea where this whole thing is going for us in the future
I want them to come here provided they have been fully vaccinated. Our economy will never fully recover until that border is open.
Indeed. Growth is incompatible with restrictions. Proof of vaccination is a reasonable compromise.
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Fully vaccinated makes it better, although I'm waiting on more stats of how vaxx is actually doing vs variants .. So far, not enough data to really know
Israeli data says it's not as effective as first thought. It'll be interesting to see if a third booster will change that.
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The US had 61,000 cases yesterday and Canada had 382. Yet, we're letting them in as of August 9 and they aren't reciprocating.
Yes, that's like 20 / 1 per population and cases in US have been climbing for many weeks now - and much faster this week in fact
Do we really want them coming here?
And I guess we could also say do we want our people going there, interacting and returning here
At the same time, we are on a bit of a rise this week and have no idea where this whole thing is going for us in the future
I want them to come here provided they have been fully vaccinated. Our economy will never fully recover until that border is open.
Indeed. Growth is incompatible with restrictions. Proof of vaccination is a reasonable compromise.
It could also have the added benefit of encouraging more people in both countries to get vaccinated.
That's what I mean - a one-off shocker like that Israel thing is all I have seen - and I'll believe it IF I see a LOT more supporting stats
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That's what I mean - a one-off shocker like that Israel thing is all I have seen - and I'll believe it IF I see a LOT more supporting stats
The source is reliable enough, at the very least, raise doubt about the efficacy of current vaccines against variants.
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Fully vaccinated makes it better, although I'm waiting on more stats of how vaxx is actually doing vs variants .. So far, not enough data to really know
Israeli data says it's not as effective as first thought. It'll be interesting to see if a third booster will change that.
But, data from Israel also shows it reduces the severity of symptoms.
I wish people would just let go of that Israel thingy until we see a LOT more stats to support or refute it
I'm amazed we are not getting more stats .. although in general terms Canada said the very opposite ... dramatically the opposite .. like almost no vaccinated getting infected ... but poorly sourced .. then nada since
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I wish people would just let go of that Israel thingy until we see a LOT more stats to support or refute it
If it's proven wrong, I'll let go of it. I hope that happens.
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Fully vaccinated makes it better, although I'm waiting on more stats of how vaxx is actually doing vs variants .. So far, not enough data to really know
Israeli data says it's not as effective as first thought. It'll be interesting to see if a third booster will change that.
But, data from Israel also shows it reduces the severity of symptoms.
Even their ability to prevent transmission against variants is not as good as first thought, they are still effective as treatments.
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Fully vaccinated makes it better, although I'm waiting on more stats of how vaxx is actually doing vs variants .. So far, not enough data to really know
Israeli data says it's not as effective as first thought. It'll be interesting to see if a third booster will change that.
But, data from Israel also shows it reduces the severity of symptoms.
Even their ability to prevent transmission against variants is not as good as first thought, they are still effective as treatments.
I read that link from Israel. It still showed that Pfizer was 64% effective against variants.
That's pretty crappy ... will never control an epidemic with that ... key is to reduce spreaders
I don't get it why we are not seeing regular stats - it's easy for govts to do it - they check each case for vaxx status
Dunno why there are none - till I see a few others, I'll not take the Israeli one seriously
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That's pretty crappy ... will never control an epidemic with that ... key is to reduce spreaders
I don't get it why we are not seeing regular stats - it's easy for govts to do it - they check each case for vaxx status
Dunno why there are none - till I see a few others, I'll not take the Israeli one seriously
C'mon, assuming that number is correct, 64% is helpful.
"Helpful" means we are a long way from normal
Again, until we get more stats from others that one is moot to me
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"Helpful" means we are a long way from normal
Again, until we get more stats from others that one is moot to me
It means nothing to me either. I'm fully vaccinated. I know I got good fucking protection against the rona and the variants.
Vaccines are still the best defense we have against vartiants. But, they may need to be tweaked.
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Vaccines are still the best defense we have against vartiants. But, they may need to be tweaked.
And they will be..
Like cc said, we need more data on vaccines and variants.
Here's another flaw in that absurd Israel thingy
It's the only country I track that shows exactly the same "death / case" rate for past 10 weeks vs. from the gitgo to today ... both rates stuck at 0.75%
That just doesn't wash :confused1:
ALL other heavily vaxxed places are
Canada 1.86% Overall vs. 0.83% Last 10 weeks
BC 1.19% vs. 0.72%
Alberta 1.00% vs. 0.44%
Quebec 2.98% vs. 0.64%
So based on their published numbers, Israel is NOT showing better recovery after vs. before all the vaccinations ... everything in that report is horseshit
and in fact even their published official tabulations just don't wash
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Here's another flaw in that absurd Israel thingy
It's the only country I track that shows exactly the same "death / case" rate for past 10 weeks vs. from the gitgo to today ... both rates stuck at 0.75%
That just doesn't wash :confused1:
ALL other heavily vaxxed places are
Canada 1.86% Overall vs. 0.83% Last 10 weeks
BC 1.19% vs. 0.72%
Alberta 1.00% vs. 0.44%
Quebec 2.98% vs. 0.64%
So based on their published numbers, Israel is NOT showing better recovery after vs. before all the vaccinations ... everything in that report is horseshit
and in fact even their published official tabulations just don't wash
That does seem strange.