Title: Alec Baldwin Accidentally Shoots and Kills Crew Member on Movie Set
Post by: Oliver Clotheshoffe on October 21, 2021, 11:25:35 PM
Post by: Oliver Clotheshoffe on October 21, 2021, 11:25:35 PM
The incident occurred on the set of "Rust," an independent feature that was filming at the Bonanza Creek Ranch, a popular production location south of Santa Fe.
Hutchins, 42, was transported by helicopter to University of New Mexico Hospital in Albuquerque, where she died. Souza, 48, was taken by ambulance to Christus St. Vincent Regional Medical Center in Santa Fe, where he is undergoing treatment for his injuries, according to the Santa Fe County Sheriff's office.
The Sheriff's office said in a statement that Hutchins and Souza "were shot when a prop firearm was discharged by Alec Baldwin, 68, producer and actor."
Rest in peace Halyna
Title: Re: Alec Baldwin Accidentally Shoots and Kills Crew Member on Movie Set
Post by: Anonymous on October 21, 2021, 11:33:43 PM
Post by: Anonymous on October 21, 2021, 11:33:43 PM
Alec Baldwin fired a prop gun on a set in New Mexico on Thursday, accidentally killing cinematographer Halyna Hutchins and wounding director Joel Souza.
The incident occurred on the set of "Rust," an independent feature that was filming at the Bonanza Creek Ranch, a popular production location south of Santa Fe.
Hutchins, 42, was transported by helicopter to University of New Mexico Hospital in Albuquerque, where she died. Souza, 48, was taken by ambulance to Christus St. Vincent Regional Medical Center in Santa Fe, where he is undergoing treatment for his injuries, according to the Santa Fe County Sheriff's office.
The Sheriff's office said in a statement that Hutchins and Souza "were shot when a prop firearm was discharged by Alec Baldwin, 68, producer and actor."https://variety.com/2021/film/news/alec-baldwin-rust-incident-santa-fe-1235094931/
Rest in peace Halyna
Title: Re: Alec Baldwin Accidentally Shoots and Kills Crew Member on Movie Set
Post by: Anonymous on October 21, 2021, 11:39:23 PM
Post by: Anonymous on October 21, 2021, 11:39:23 PM
Alec Baldwin fired a prop gun on a set in New Mexico on Thursday, accidentally killing cinematographer Halyna Hutchins and wounding director Joel Souza.
The incident occurred on the set of "Rust," an independent feature that was filming at the Bonanza Creek Ranch, a popular production __cpLocation south of Santa Fe.
Hutchins, 42, was transported by helicopter to University of New Mexico Hospital in Albuquerque, where she died. Souza, 48, was taken by ambulance to Christus St. Vincent Regional Medical Center in Santa Fe, where he is undergoing treatment for his injuries, according to the Santa Fe County Sheriff's office.
The Sheriff's office said in a statement that Hutchins and Souza "were shot when a prop firearm was discharged by Alec Baldwin, 68, producer and actor."https://variety.com/2021/film/news/alec-baldwin-rust-incident-santa-fe-1235094931/
Rest in peace Halyna
A dang shame it wasn't Baldwin that got shot.
Title: Re: Alec Baldwin Accidentally Shoots and Kills Crew Member on Movie Set
Post by: Anonymous on October 22, 2021, 12:36:19 AM
Post by: Anonymous on October 22, 2021, 12:36:19 AM
Alec Baldwin fired a prop gun on a set in New Mexico on Thursday, accidentally killing cinematographer Halyna Hutchins and wounding director Joel Souza.
The incident occurred on the set of "Rust," an independent feature that was filming at the Bonanza Creek Ranch, a popular production __cpLocation south of Santa Fe.
Hutchins, 42, was transported by helicopter to University of New Mexico Hospital in Albuquerque, where she died. Souza, 48, was taken by ambulance to Christus St. Vincent Regional Medical Center in Santa Fe, where he is undergoing treatment for his injuries, according to the Santa Fe County Sheriff's office.
The Sheriff's office said in a statement that Hutchins and Souza "were shot when a prop firearm was discharged by Alec Baldwin, 68, producer and actor."https://variety.com/2021/film/news/alec-baldwin-rust-incident-santa-fe-1235094931/
Rest in peace Halyna
A dang shame it wasn't Baldwin that got shot.
Title: Re: Alec Baldwin Accidentally Shoots and Kills Crew Member on Movie Set
Post by: Frood on October 22, 2021, 04:44:47 AM
Post by: Frood on October 22, 2021, 04:44:47 AM
Title: Re: Alec Baldwin Accidentally Shoots and Kills Crew Member on Movie Set
Post by: Frood on October 22, 2021, 04:59:53 AM
Post by: Frood on October 22, 2021, 04:59:53 AM
Title: Re: Alec Baldwin Accidentally Shoots and Kills Crew Member on Movie Set
Post by: kiebers on October 22, 2021, 07:41:33 AM
Post by: kiebers on October 22, 2021, 07:41:33 AM
Title: Re: Alec Baldwin Accidentally Shoots and Kills Crew Member on Movie Set
Post by: Odinson on October 22, 2021, 07:53:28 AM
Post by: Odinson on October 22, 2021, 07:53:28 AM
They are meant to be safe when discharged at some1.
Title: Re: Alec Baldwin Accidentally Shoots and Kills Crew Member on Movie Set
Post by: Anonymous on October 22, 2021, 09:57:34 AM
Post by: Anonymous on October 22, 2021, 09:57:34 AM
Title: Re: Alec Baldwin Accidentally Shoots and Kills Crew Member on Movie Set
Post by: cc on October 22, 2021, 10:04:46 AM
Post by: cc on October 22, 2021, 10:04:46 AM
I remember former American Vice President Dick Cheney accidentally shot someone.......the person didn't die though.
Yes. Bird hunting and his shotgun went off accidentally
Title: Re: Alec Baldwin Accidentally Shoots and Kills Crew Member on Movie Set
Post by: Anonymous on October 22, 2021, 10:05:14 AM
Post by: Anonymous on October 22, 2021, 10:05:14 AM
He will never be charged and the media will be silent after the initial reports.
Guaranteed.
Title: Re: Alec Baldwin Accidentally Shoots and Kills Crew Member on Movie Set
Post by: Renee on October 22, 2021, 12:19:11 PM
Post by: Renee on October 22, 2021, 12:19:11 PM
But that being said, what kind of "prop gun" was being used? Who the hell uses live ammo on a movie set in today's day and age of CGI? And what kind of imbecile would give a moronic liberal asshat like Alec Baldwin, a loaded gun and leave him unsupervised? Most of those Hollyweird, pieces of shit, aren't even trustworthy or intelligent enough to handle a sharp stick safely let alone a firearm. For most of these Hollywood types a firearm is just another toy they use to further their useless career, so they can line their pockets and spread the social disease of glamorized violence.
Title: Re: Alec Baldwin Accidentally Shoots and Kills Crew Member on Movie Set
Post by: Odinson on October 22, 2021, 12:31:54 PM
Post by: Odinson on October 22, 2021, 12:31:54 PM
And they are meant to be discharged right at another actor/actress.
So the general safety rules dont apply.
There is probably some kind of a breaker in the muzzle/barrel and it came off.
Even the normal "blanks" arent safe to discharge at some1.
Title: Re: Alec Baldwin Accidentally Shoots and Kills Crew Member on Movie Set
Post by: Anonymous on October 22, 2021, 01:12:22 PM
Post by: Anonymous on October 22, 2021, 01:12:22 PM
Baldwin is a fucking bloated moron.
Hell yes.
Title: Re: Alec Baldwin Accidentally Shoots and Kills Crew Member on Movie Set
Post by: cc on October 22, 2021, 01:24:51 PM
Post by: cc on October 22, 2021, 01:24:51 PM
They aint supposed to be lethal.
True. According to news just now it was a live round .. a real game changer if true
I had always thought prop guns could not fire live rounds .. wrong again cc
That said, until it's official, it's not yet real
Title: Re: Alec Baldwin Accidentally Shoots and Kills Crew Member on Movie Set
Post by: Odinson on October 22, 2021, 02:13:15 PM
Post by: Odinson on October 22, 2021, 02:13:15 PM
They aint supposed to be lethal.
True. According to news just now it was a live round .. a real game changer if true
I had always thought prop guns could not fire live rounds .. wrong again cc
That said, until it's official, it's not yet real
Sometimes they use real firearms for authenticity.
There are different types of blanks and some of them look like live rounds at first glance.
Title: Re: Alec Baldwin Accidentally Shoots and Kills Crew Member on Movie Set
Post by: cc on October 22, 2021, 04:39:27 PM
Post by: cc on October 22, 2021, 04:39:27 PM
Title: Re: Alec Baldwin Accidentally Shoots and Kills Crew Member on Movie Set
Post by: Bricktop on October 22, 2021, 06:37:25 PM
Post by: Bricktop on October 22, 2021, 06:37:25 PM
What could possibly go wrong.
Title: Re: Alec Baldwin Accidentally Shoots and Kills Crew Member on Movie Set
Post by: cc on October 22, 2021, 08:17:00 PM
Post by: cc on October 22, 2021, 08:17:00 PM
But lots o guns & gunfire & bullet riddled bodies
Anyhowzers, I guess we don't know exactly what happened, but why would he be aiming at staff?
He is a jerk / lowlife of the highest order.. a 10 level .. rotten personality .. nasty nasty person .. dunno how he got in acting ... mind you personal standards are not high, always avoid anything he's in ... Now he's ended a life
It could not be part of movie as he hit staff .. So why was he pointing a gun at staff let alone pull the trigger ???
Did he hit 2 people with one shot or did he shoot yet again?
Shoulda stuck to bullying, berating & belittling his little daughter, although she's likely big enough now to shut him up
Title: Re: Alec Baldwin Accidentally Shoots and Kills Crew Member on Movie Set
Post by: Bricktop on October 22, 2021, 08:30:32 PM
Post by: Bricktop on October 22, 2021, 08:30:32 PM
hmmmm .. We been gettin a lot of Aussie shows of late .. ni idea why
You have my sympathy. Our entertainment industry is utter garbage. Australians generally cannot put together a decent movie, book or TV series albeit with some odd exceptions. Mad Max was OK. Picnic at Hanging Rock was very good (although the director was a Kiwi), Cargo is an excellent horror/sci-fi movie but stars Martin Freeman (Bilbo Baggins). Most of our pop culture is execrable.
Title: Re: Alec Baldwin Accidentally Shoots and Kills Crew Member on Movie Set
Post by: cc on October 22, 2021, 08:31:31 PM
Post by: cc on October 22, 2021, 08:31:31 PM
hmmmm .. We been gettin a lot of Aussie shows of late .. ni idea why
You have my sympathy. Our entertainment industry is utter garbage. Australians generally cannot put together a decent movie, book or TV series albeit with some odd exceptions. Mad Max was OK. Picnic at Hanging Rock was very good (although the director was a Kiwi), Cargo is an excellent horror/sci-fi movie but stars Martin Freeman (Bilbo Baggins). Most of our pop culture is execrable.
True .. they are not top, but a cpl of series are sort of OK
Title: Re: Alec Baldwin Accidentally Shoots and Kills Crew Member on Movie Set
Post by: Anonymous on October 23, 2021, 09:58:09 AM
Post by: Anonymous on October 23, 2021, 09:58:09 AM
Hours before actor Alec Baldwin unintentionally shot and killed one and injured another at a movie set, union workers had walked off in order to protest working conditions at the low-budget film.
On Friday, the Los Angeles Times reported that just six hours before the fatal shooting a group of camera crew members had walked off to protest working conditions.
The crew had been in a dispute with the film's producers over their pay and travel arrangements. Baldwin was a writer, co-producer, and starred as the lead role in the film entitled "Rust."
On Thursday the camera crew was setting up their equipment when non-union workers came on set to replace them. About half a dozen abandoned the film in protest.
The report quoted a crew member knowledgable about the incident who claimed, "Corners were being cut — and they brought in nonunion people so they could continue shooting."
That person also claimed that there had been two misfires from the prop gun on Saturday and another misfire the week before.
"There was a serious lack of safety meetings on this set," they added.
Title: Re: Alec Baldwin Accidentally Shoots and Kills Crew Member on Movie Set
Post by: cc on October 23, 2021, 01:41:58 PM
Post by: cc on October 23, 2021, 01:41:58 PM
He set the whole thing up to get back at this creep wannabe actor who had a horrid case of TDS
Title: Re: Alec Baldwin Accidentally Shoots and Kills Crew Member on Movie Set
Post by: Anonymous on October 23, 2021, 01:45:54 PM
Post by: Anonymous on October 23, 2021, 01:45:54 PM
LOL .. The net is now full of crazy progs saying Trump HAD TO BE involved .. to get back at this creep wannabe actor
:roll:
figures
Title: Re: Alec Baldwin Accidentally Shoots and Kills Crew Member on Movie Set
Post by: Renee on October 23, 2021, 02:55:37 PM
Post by: Renee on October 23, 2021, 02:55:37 PM
LOL .. The net is now full of crazy progs saying Trump HAD TO BE involved
He set the whole thing up to get back at this creep wannabe actor who had a horrid case of TDS
:roll:
TDS is a very real mental illness.
If the liberal scum wasn't in control of academia, the medical industry, and the media, and if they weren't endowed with so much political power, it already would have been classified as such.
At every turn the progs prove that they are incapable of rational or even remotely intelligent behavior.
Title: Re: Alec Baldwin Accidentally Shoots and Kills Crew Member on Movie Set
Post by: Frood on October 23, 2021, 05:59:38 PM
Post by: Frood on October 23, 2021, 05:59:38 PM
hmmmm .. We been gettin a lot of Aussie shows of late .. ni idea why
You have my sympathy. Our entertainment industry is utter garbage. Australians generally cannot put together a decent movie, book or TV series albeit with some odd exceptions. Mad Max was OK. Picnic at Hanging Rock was very good (although the director was a Kiwi), Cargo is an excellent horror/sci-fi movie but stars Martin Freeman (Bilbo Baggins). Most of our pop culture is execrable.
Aussie film and series are typically cringeworthy and full of woke-isms...
Title: Re: Alec Baldwin Accidentally Shoots and Kills Crew Member on Movie Set
Post by: Odinson on October 23, 2021, 07:17:00 PM
Post by: Odinson on October 23, 2021, 07:17:00 PM
A beginner.
'
A woman...
Title: Re: Alec Baldwin Accidentally Shoots and Kills Crew Member on Movie Set
Post by: cc on October 23, 2021, 07:56:18 PM
Post by: cc on October 23, 2021, 07:56:18 PM
No, we should not. It was not an accident
There a four primary rules of firearms handling, codified many years ago by firearms expert Jeff Cooper. Everyone serious about firearms has long ago committed them to memory:
Every gun is always loaded.
Never put your finger on the trigger until you are about to shoot.
Never aim at anything you are not willing to destroy.
Be absolutely certain about what is behind your target.
It seems clear that Baldwin ignored every last one of these. He didn't bother to check his weapon to see if it was loaded. He had his finger on the trigger in an insecure situation. He aimed it at two people. His director, Joel Souza, was standing behind Halyna Hutchins, who was killed. Souza was evidently hit by the same round.
Baldwin has long been an outspoken advocate of gun control. He has generally presented himself as an expert
Then, — he generally presents himself as an expert on everything that has ever happened since humans first appeared on the Serengeti.
Title: Re: Alec Baldwin Accidentally Shoots and Kills Crew Member on Movie Set
Post by: Bricktop on October 23, 2021, 11:11:48 PM
Post by: Bricktop on October 23, 2021, 11:11:48 PM
But don't these movie sets have armourers and firearms safety officers?
More worrisome...how the hell did a loaded firearm get on the set? Someone either deliberately, or by an effort of negligence hard to believe put a live round in a real gun on a movie set??? How in the hell does a real firearm get on set?
Utter madness. Although I find it difficult to blame the user of the firearm, who should have some faith in the firearms safety system on set. Can't blame the puppet.
Title: Re: Alec Baldwin Accidentally Shoots and Kills Crew Member on Movie Set
Post by: Anonymous on October 23, 2021, 11:41:30 PM
Post by: Anonymous on October 23, 2021, 11:41:30 PM
Title: Re: Alec Baldwin Accidentally Shoots and Kills Crew Member on Movie Set
Post by: Gaon on October 24, 2021, 12:19:16 AM
Post by: Gaon on October 24, 2021, 12:19:16 AM
I can foresee manslaughter charges, given this occurred in the US.
But don't these movie sets have armourers and firearms safety officers?
More worrisome...how the hell did a loaded firearm get on the set? Someone either deliberately, or by an effort of negligence hard to believe put a live round in a real gun on a movie set??? How in the hell does a real firearm get on set?
Utter madness. Although I find it difficult to blame the user of the firearm, who should have some faith in the firearms safety system on set. Can't blame the puppet.
I don't know how this could have happened.
Title: Re: Alec Baldwin Accidentally Shoots and Kills Crew Member on Movie Set
Post by: Odinson on October 24, 2021, 09:12:42 AM
Post by: Odinson on October 24, 2021, 09:12:42 AM
Maybe they wanted to skip the practical effects/CGI and used live ammo for shooting through a wall or something.
Title: Re: Alec Baldwin Accidentally Shoots and Kills Crew Member on Movie Set
Post by: Anonymous on October 25, 2021, 09:19:48 AM
Post by: Anonymous on October 25, 2021, 09:19:48 AM
Its America... Of course they have live rounds on a movie set.
Maybe they wanted to skip the practical effects/CGI and used live ammo for shooting through a wall or something.
Maybe Alec Baldwin is a hypocritical leftist and wanted to save money by putting employees lives at risk.
Title: Re: Alec Baldwin Accidentally Shoots and Kills Crew Member on Movie Set
Post by: Odinson on October 25, 2021, 04:52:16 PM
Post by: Odinson on October 25, 2021, 04:52:16 PM
Its America... Of course they have live rounds on a movie set.
Maybe they wanted to skip the practical effects/CGI and used live ammo for shooting through a wall or something.
Maybe Alec Baldwin is a hypocritical leftist and wanted to save money by putting employees lives at risk.
Yes and maybe the production company is responsible for the "accidents" happening on the set.
The workplace safety supervisor, armorer and the director are also responsible.
Title: Re: Alec Baldwin Accidentally Shoots and Kills Crew Member on Movie Set
Post by: Anonymous on October 26, 2021, 01:27:35 PM
Post by: Anonymous on October 26, 2021, 01:27:35 PM
Its America... Of course they have live rounds on a movie set.
Maybe they wanted to skip the practical effects/CGI and used live ammo for shooting through a wall or something.
Maybe Alec Baldwin is a hypocritical leftist and wanted to save money by putting employees lives at risk.
Yes and maybe the production company is responsible for the "accidents" happening on the set.
The workplace safety supervisor, armorer and the director are also responsible.
True, but who hired them.
Title: Re: Alec Baldwin Accidentally Shoots and Kills Crew Member on Movie Set
Post by: cc on October 26, 2021, 01:35:50 PM
Post by: cc on October 26, 2021, 01:35:50 PM
Still, what kind of person points a gun at a technical crew member off camera .. or at anyone at any time for that matter
Title: Re: Alec Baldwin Accidentally Shoots and Kills Crew Member on Movie Set
Post by: Anonymous on October 26, 2021, 01:45:52 PM
Post by: Anonymous on October 26, 2021, 01:45:52 PM
I recall seeing that some crew walked off because of safety infractions .. and were quickly replaced by locals
Still, what kind of person points a gun at a technical crew member off camera .. or at anyone at any time for that matter
The first exposes Baldwin's hypocrisy. The second is a criminal act.
Title: Re: Alec Baldwin Accidentally Shoots and Kills Crew Member on Movie Set
Post by: cc on October 26, 2021, 01:59:46 PM
Post by: cc on October 26, 2021, 01:59:46 PM
I recall seeing that some crew walked off because of safety infractions .. and were quickly replaced by locals
Still, what kind of person points a gun at a technical crew member off camera .. or at anyone at any time for that matter
The first exposes Baldwin's hypocrisy. The second is a criminal act.
Exactly
Now, according to a report from TheWrap, unnamed crew members have stated that the firearm handled by Gutierrez Reed, Halls and Baldwin was used earlier that same day to go "plinking," a hobby in which people shoot at beer cans with live ammunition for fun.
Regardless of whether or not the firearms were improperly in proximity or loaded with live rounds, experts say there are systems in place to ensure prop guns are inspected before they enter an active set. As a result, Gutierrez Reed, Halls and Baldwin could be subject to a myriad of criminal and / or legal ramifications.
Title: Re: Alec Baldwin Accidentally Shoots and Kills Crew Member on Movie Set
Post by: Odinson on October 26, 2021, 05:26:24 PM
Post by: Odinson on October 26, 2021, 05:26:24 PM
Who wouldnt hire this person to handle all the guns.
She radiates hardcore professionalism.
Title: Re: Alec Baldwin Accidentally Shoots and Kills Crew Member on Movie Set
Post by: Odinson on October 26, 2021, 05:37:00 PM
Post by: Odinson on October 26, 2021, 05:37:00 PM
Its America... Of course they have live rounds on a movie set.
Maybe they wanted to skip the practical effects/CGI and used live ammo for shooting through a wall or something.
Maybe Alec Baldwin is a hypocritical leftist and wanted to save money by putting employees lives at risk.
Yes and maybe the production company is responsible for the "accidents" happening on the set.
The workplace safety supervisor, armorer and the director are also responsible.
True, but who hired them.
They are all responsible and the production company has to pay some mighty fines.
The safety supervisor and the armorer are more directly responsible.
Investigation will reveal why the guy thought it was a "cold gun" when he handed it to Baldwin.
He could be the guy who did all the fucking up.
Too early to tell.
Title: Re: Alec Baldwin Accidentally Shoots and Kills Crew Member on Movie Set
Post by: Anonymous on October 26, 2021, 07:54:27 PM
Post by: Anonymous on October 26, 2021, 07:54:27 PM
Title: Re: Alec Baldwin Accidentally Shoots and Kills Crew Member on Movie Set
Post by: cc on October 26, 2021, 10:29:24 PM
Post by: cc on October 26, 2021, 10:29:24 PM
Really, it's not. In fact, Alec Baldwin is likely to be held, at least in part, responsible.
"If you're capable of memorizing 120 pages of dialogue, you can memorize four lines of gun safety," special effects and firearms expert Steve Wolf tells The Post.
"If that scene required him to put the gun to his head and pull the trigger, I'm sure he would have taken a look inside the gun. Wouldn't you?"
As a producer on "Rust," Baldwin could be held culpable for the cost-cutting, chaos and eventual hire of a young head armorer with just one stint in said job on her résumé — because, according to Deadline, multiple other armorers turned it down over low pay and high stakes, with too many firearms to manage.
There's no denying Alec Baldwin's role in on-set shooting tragedy
By Maureen Callahan
Title: Re: Alec Baldwin Accidentally Shoots and Kills Crew Member on Movie Set
Post by: Bricktop on October 26, 2021, 10:45:33 PM
Post by: Bricktop on October 26, 2021, 10:45:33 PM
More feminist sexist rage.
Title: Re: Alec Baldwin Accidentally Shoots and Kills Crew Member on Movie Set
Post by: Frood on October 27, 2021, 06:32:17 AM
Post by: Frood on October 27, 2021, 06:32:17 AM
(Yes, I'm saying she has Stockholm Syndrome and isn't terribly bright enough to realize it when she fires up her spreadsheets and regurgitates State data cat sick on the daily).
I do appreciate how far she's come like I'm amused by a spider monkey in a circus, changing its clothes between acts without much direction... but she's still a monkey.
Title: Re: Alec Baldwin Accidentally Shoots and Kills Crew Member on Movie Set
Post by: cc on October 27, 2021, 12:14:52 PM
Post by: cc on October 27, 2021, 12:14:52 PM
It's just the way i am
Title: Re: Alec Baldwin Accidentally Shoots and Kills Crew Member on Movie Set
Post by: Anonymous on October 27, 2021, 12:22:29 PM
Post by: Anonymous on October 27, 2021, 12:22:29 PM
cc can't help being a 1st wave feminist hijacked by 3rd wave feminism consequently purloined by 4th wave puppy cry rooms and geriatric cunt clots which if poked with a stick might reflect the semblance of sanity.
(Yes, I'm saying she has Stockholm Syndrome and isn't terribly bright enough to realize it when she fires up her spreadsheets and regurgitates State data cat sick on the daily).
I do appreciate how far she's come like I'm amused by a spider monkey in a circus, changing its clothes between acts without much direction... but she's still a monkey.
I see you don't know cc.
Title: Re: Alec Baldwin Accidentally Shoots and Kills Crew Member on Movie Set
Post by: Odinson on November 02, 2021, 10:19:45 PM
Post by: Odinson on November 02, 2021, 10:19:45 PM
Title: Re: Alec Baldwin Accidentally Shoots and Kills Crew Member on Movie Set
Post by: Anonymous on November 02, 2021, 11:04:43 PM
Post by: Anonymous on November 02, 2021, 11:04:43 PM
Here is an expert.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TP1X5L-AufQ
Sue Alec Baldwin's woke ass.
Title: Re: Alec Baldwin Accidentally Shoots and Kills Crew Member on Movie Set
Post by: Odinson on November 18, 2021, 04:21:48 PM
Post by: Odinson on November 18, 2021, 04:21:48 PM
That would make the ratings go up.
Title: Re: Alec Baldwin Accidentally Shoots and Kills Crew Member on Movie Set
Post by: cc on November 18, 2021, 04:33:49 PM
Post by: cc on November 18, 2021, 04:33:49 PM
Was it part of movie to aim at camera?
Title: Re: Alec Baldwin Accidentally Shoots and Kills Crew Member on Movie Set
Post by: Bricktop on November 18, 2021, 04:34:44 PM
Post by: Bricktop on November 18, 2021, 04:34:44 PM
All the malarky about prop managers, armourers and other flunkies having "responsibility" is a smokescreen.
The ultimate responsibility for firing a gun rests with the person with the gun in his hand. You cannot abrogate responsibility for ensuring the firearm is safe by NOT doing your own safety check before and after handling the gun then claiming it's not your problem.
Baldwin is ultimately accountable.
Title: Re: Alec Baldwin Accidentally Shoots and Kills Crew Member on Movie Set
Post by: cc on November 18, 2021, 04:36:23 PM
Post by: cc on November 18, 2021, 04:36:23 PM
It should have been considered manslaughter and / or murder without intent from the gitgo (depending on terminology of local law)... I don't get all the other flack around it as relevant to this despicable, stupid and illegal act of his
Title: Re: Alec Baldwin Accidentally Shoots and Kills Crew Member on Movie Set
Post by: Bricktop on November 18, 2021, 05:30:26 PM
Post by: Bricktop on November 18, 2021, 05:30:26 PM
Title: Re: Alec Baldwin Accidentally Shoots and Kills Crew Member on Movie Set
Post by: cc on November 18, 2021, 05:34:20 PM
Post by: cc on November 18, 2021, 05:34:20 PM
Should he hear a knock on his door at 6.00am and open it to find a couple of hundred cops surrounding his house (which, I understand, is how American law enforcement works) I will not be surprised.
Not for progs. That's reserved for their oppponents
He will likely find perfumed detectives in skimpy dresses at his door .. hopefully but not guaranteed to be female
Title: Re: Alec Baldwin Accidentally Shoots and Kills Crew Member on Movie Set
Post by: Anonymous on November 18, 2021, 06:32:53 PM
Post by: Anonymous on November 18, 2021, 06:32:53 PM
SNL should hire Donald Trump to play Alec Baldwin in a sketch about this whole thing
That would make the ratings go up.
I'd like to see that.
Title: Re: Alec Baldwin Accidentally Shoots and Kills Crew Member on Movie Set
Post by: Anonymous on November 18, 2021, 07:54:59 PM
Post by: Anonymous on November 18, 2021, 07:54:59 PM
Should he hear a knock on his door at 6.00am and open it to find a couple of hundred cops surrounding his house (which, I understand, is how American law enforcement works) I will not be surprised.
To progressive celebrities? Not a chance. OJ Simpson got away with a double premeditated homicide.
Title: Re: Alec Baldwin Accidentally Shoots and Kills Crew Member on Movie Set
Post by: Odinson on November 30, 2021, 10:53:12 PM
Post by: Odinson on November 30, 2021, 10:53:12 PM
Its very difficult to enforce rules when your employer can fire you just because he woke up on the wrong side of the bed.
But she was incharge of the guns.
She was also the prop master.
Title: Re: Alec Baldwin Accidentally Shoots and Kills Crew Member on Movie Set
Post by: Bricktop on November 30, 2021, 10:56:54 PM
Post by: Bricktop on November 30, 2021, 10:56:54 PM
At what point does legal liability and culpability kick in?
Title: Re: Alec Baldwin Accidentally Shoots and Kills Crew Member on Movie Set
Post by: cc on November 30, 2021, 11:10:11 PM
Post by: cc on November 30, 2021, 11:10:11 PM
He shot at the camera man if I have it right? ... so his prime culpability centers around was it script ... or not
Title: Re: Alec Baldwin Accidentally Shoots and Kills Crew Member on Movie Set
Post by: Bricktop on November 30, 2021, 11:39:35 PM
Post by: Bricktop on November 30, 2021, 11:39:35 PM
Rule 1. The gun is always loaded.
Rule 2. Never point the firearm at any other person.
Rule 3. When handed a firearm, bear in mind Rule 1 and make sure there are no rounds in the breach or magazine.
Title: Re: Alec Baldwin Accidentally Shoots and Kills Crew Member on Movie Set
Post by: Frood on November 30, 2021, 11:42:59 PM
Post by: Frood on November 30, 2021, 11:42:59 PM
There are very firm and rigid rules regarding using a firearm, whether under instruction or direction, or not.
Rule 1. The gun is always loaded.
Rule 2. Never point the firearm at any other person.
Rule 3. When handed a firearm, bear in mind Rule 1 and make sure there are no rounds in the breach or magazine.
Rule 4. Never place your finger on the trigger unless prepared to discharge the firearm.
Title: Re: Alec Baldwin Accidentally Shoots and Kills Crew Member on Movie Set
Post by: cc on December 01, 2021, 01:57:20 AM
Post by: cc on December 01, 2021, 01:57:20 AM
Was the shot part of movie?
He shot at the camera man if I have it right? ... so his prime culpability centers around was it script ... or not
If part of movie - he's clear & gun handler is in kuku
If not, he was farking around and in deep kuku as is person who put real bullet in and / or gun handler
Title: Re: Alec Baldwin Accidentally Shoots and Kills Crew Member on Movie Set
Post by: Anonymous on December 01, 2021, 06:22:56 AM
Post by: Anonymous on December 01, 2021, 06:22:56 AM
It does look like the armorer is the main suspect.
Its very difficult to enforce rules when your employer can fire you just because he woke up on the wrong side of the bed.
But she was incharge of the guns.
She was also the prop master.
I agree with Bricktop, it seems Alec Baldwin didn't follow basic firearm safety.
Title: Re: Alec Baldwin Accidentally Shoots and Kills Crew Member on Movie Set
Post by: Anonymous on December 01, 2021, 04:23:57 PM
Post by: Anonymous on December 01, 2021, 04:23:57 PM
Title: Re: Alec Baldwin Accidentally Shoots and Kills Crew Member on Movie Set
Post by: cc on December 01, 2021, 04:28:31 PM
Post by: cc on December 01, 2021, 04:28:31 PM
'I DIDN'T PULL THE TRIGGER': Alec Baldwin gives first in-studio interview following shooting
LOS ANGELES — Alec Baldwin says in an upcoming TV interview that he did not pull the trigger of the gun that fired a live bullet and killed a cinematographer on the set of the movie "Rust," according to an excerpt released on Wednesday.
Title: Re: Alec Baldwin Accidentally Shoots and Kills Crew Member on Movie Set
Post by: Bricktop on December 01, 2021, 05:57:11 PM
Post by: Bricktop on December 01, 2021, 05:57:11 PM
Title: Re: Alec Baldwin Accidentally Shoots and Kills Crew Member on Movie Set
Post by: Anonymous on December 01, 2021, 06:04:09 PM
Post by: Anonymous on December 01, 2021, 06:04:09 PM
Baldwin's employees get thrown under the bus.
One got thrown in a grave.
Title: Re: Alec Baldwin Accidentally Shoots and Kills Crew Member on Movie Set
Post by: Bricktop on December 01, 2021, 06:17:26 PM
Post by: Bricktop on December 01, 2021, 06:17:26 PM
Harsh, Fash. Harsh!!
Title: Re: Alec Baldwin Accidentally Shoots and Kills Crew Member on Movie Set
Post by: Anonymous on December 01, 2021, 07:31:47 PM
Post by: Anonymous on December 01, 2021, 07:31:47 PM
Alec Baldwin Exonerates Himself – Blames Self Firing Bullet For Rust Shooting(//https)
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LOS ANGELES — Alec Baldwin says in an upcoming TV interview that he did not pull the trigger of the gun that fired a live bullet and killed a cinematographer on the set of the movie "Rust," according to an excerpt released on Wednesday.
Alec Baldwin has a punchable face.
Title: Re: Alec Baldwin Accidentally Shoots and Kills Crew Member on Movie Set
Post by: Bricktop on December 01, 2021, 09:57:15 PM
Post by: Bricktop on December 01, 2021, 09:57:15 PM
And as mentioned, he said he "did not pull the trigger". The gun fired itself, apparently.
Title: Re: Alec Baldwin Accidentally Shoots and Kills Crew Member on Movie Set
Post by: Anonymous on December 01, 2021, 10:03:19 PM
Post by: Anonymous on December 01, 2021, 10:03:19 PM
According to Fox News, Baldwin has breached a number of Actors Equity regulations in regards to gun safety on set...including ALWAYS checking before pulling the trigger, and being present at all times when prop masters and the relevant Assistant Director load the firearm prior to the scene being recorded.
And as mentioned, he said he "did not pull the trigger". The gun fired itself, apparently.
He probably feels rules don't apply to him.
Title: Re: Alec Baldwin Accidentally Shoots and Kills Crew Member on Movie Set
Post by: Odinson on December 01, 2021, 11:13:43 PM
Post by: Odinson on December 01, 2021, 11:13:43 PM
And Alec Baldwin DID pull the trigger.
The cops can determine if the gun can go off without pulling the trigger.
Title: Re: Alec Baldwin Accidentally Shoots and Kills Crew Member on Movie Set
Post by: Odinson on December 02, 2021, 01:31:18 AM
Post by: Odinson on December 02, 2021, 01:31:18 AM
According to Fox News, Baldwin has breached a number of Actors Equity regulations in regards to gun safety on set...including ALWAYS checking before pulling the trigger, and being present at all times when prop masters and the relevant Assistant Director load the firearm prior to the scene being recorded.
And as mentioned, he said he "did not pull the trigger". The gun fired itself, apparently.
Cocking and firing the revolver wasnt in the script.
Alec Baldwin had to cock the hammer for the gun to go off "accidentally".
He cocked it and naturally pulled the trigger.
And now he is trying to save his own ass in the new interview.
Title: Re: Alec Baldwin Accidentally Shoots and Kills Crew Member on Movie Set
Post by: cc on December 02, 2021, 01:40:23 AM
Post by: cc on December 02, 2021, 01:40:23 AM
Cocking and firing the revolver wasnt in the script.
Alec Baldwin had to cock the hammer for the gun to go off "accidentally".
He cocked it and naturally pulled the trigger.
And now he is trying to save his own ass in the new interview.
Didn't think it was, but had to allow the very long chance as I didn't know for certain
If not in the script, he idiotically pointed the gun at and killed the person
Title: Re: Alec Baldwin Accidentally Shoots and Kills Crew Member on Movie Set
Post by: Anonymous on December 02, 2021, 06:23:55 AM
Post by: Anonymous on December 02, 2021, 06:23:55 AM
According to Fox News, Baldwin has breached a number of Actors Equity regulations in regards to gun safety on set...including ALWAYS checking before pulling the trigger, and being present at all times when prop masters and the relevant Assistant Director load the firearm prior to the scene being recorded.
And as mentioned, he said he "did not pull the trigger". The gun fired itself, apparently.
Cocking and firing the revolver wasnt in the script.
Alec Baldwin had to cock the hammer for the gun to go off "accidentally".
He cocked it and naturally pulled the trigger.
And now he is trying to save his own ass in the new interview.
I don't know anything about firearms, but this seems very likey what transpired.
Title: Re: Alec Baldwin Accidentally Shoots and Kills Crew Member on Movie Set
Post by: Renee on December 02, 2021, 12:51:40 PM
Post by: Renee on December 02, 2021, 12:51:40 PM
Before single action revolvers were equipped with transfer bar safeties which block the hammer from comming in contact with a chambered round until it is fully cocked, it was standard practice to carry a single action revolver with the hammer down on an EMPTY chamber, essentially turning a 6-shooter into a 5-shooter. That way you did shoot your foot off while holstering the weapon. Anyone who has seen the original movie "True Grit" should be aware of this.
Depending upon the date of manufacture of the weapon and the maintained condition of the weapon, Baldwin could indeed be telling the truth... I'm pretty sure a prop weapon is probably not the best maintained weapon and dirt and crud from repeated firings could easily have become lodged between the hammer, firing pin and the live round which is an common recipe for an accidental discharge with an older single action Colt... Other manufacturers of single action revolvers such as Ruger, have had transfer bar safeties since the 1980s or earlier.
Now I'm no Alec Baldwin fan as I think he is a complete asshat but in this case he might be right and I will hold judgement until all the facts come out... That being said I still find it disconcerting that live rounds were on the set in the first place and even more troubling is the fact that the supposed film's armorer mistook live rounds for blanks..
Title: Re: Alec Baldwin Accidentally Shoots and Kills Crew Member on Movie Set
Post by: Odinson on December 02, 2021, 07:13:14 PM
Post by: Odinson on December 02, 2021, 07:13:14 PM
A lot of armchair experts here...:laugh3: No offense...The revolver in question was a Colt M1873 single action revolver. Depending upon the year of manufacturer the discharge could have very well been accidental. Before 1999 the Colt M1873 had no safety transfer bar system which means it was dangerous to carry the gun hammer down on live round. Depending upon the condition of the revolver the slightest jar of the hammer could have set off a round.
Before single action revolvers were equipped with transfer bar safeties which block the hammer from comming in contact with a chambered round until it is fully cocked, it was standard practice to carry a single action revolver with the hammer down on an EMPTY chamber, essentially turning a 6-shooter into a 5-shooter. That way you did shoot your foot off while holstering the weapon. Anyone who has seen the original movie "True Grit" should be aware of this.
Depending upon the date of manufacture of the weapon and the maintained condition of the weapon, Baldwin could indeed be telling the truth... I'm pretty sure a prop weapon is probably not the best maintained weapon and dirt and crud from repeated firings could easily have become lodged between the hammer, firing pin and the live round which is an common recipe for an accidental discharge with an older single action Colt... Other manufacturers of single action revolvers such as Ruger, have had transfer bar safeties since the 1980s or earlier.
Now I'm no Alec Baldwin fan as I think he is a complete asshat but in this case he might be right and I will hold judgement until all the facts come out... That being said I still find it disconcerting that live rounds were on the set in the first place and even more troubling is the fact that the supposed film's armorer mistook live rounds for blanks..:nea: . That's just inexcusable.
The initial reports say that he was aiming at the camera and then the gun went off.
The gun was in his extended hand and it went off.
What caused the pin to strike the primer?
The local Sheriff says that Alec Baldwins story doesnt add up.
Title: Re: Alec Baldwin Accidentally Shoots and Kills Crew Member on Movie Set
Post by: Bricktop on December 02, 2021, 08:14:53 PM
Post by: Bricktop on December 02, 2021, 08:14:53 PM
The expert on Fox explained that an accidental discharge without pulling the trigger is quite feasible.
Of course, none of that explains the very serious and inexplicable lapses of standard firearm safety answers the questions as to who the fuck would bring live ammunition onto a movie set. That is an act of madness that would be hard to explain as incidental.
Title: Re: Alec Baldwin Accidentally Shoots and Kills Crew Member on Movie Set
Post by: Renee on December 02, 2021, 08:22:06 PM
Post by: Renee on December 02, 2021, 08:22:06 PM
A lot of armchair experts here...:laugh3: No offense...The revolver in question was a Colt M1873 single action revolver. Depending upon the year of manufacturer the discharge could have very well been accidental. Before 1999 the Colt M1873 had no safety transfer bar system which means it was dangerous to carry the gun hammer down on live round. Depending upon the condition of the revolver the slightest jar of the hammer could have set off a round.
Before single action revolvers were equipped with transfer bar safeties which block the hammer from comming in contact with a chambered round until it is fully cocked, it was standard practice to carry a single action revolver with the hammer down on an EMPTY chamber, essentially turning a 6-shooter into a 5-shooter. That way you did shoot your foot off while holstering the weapon. Anyone who has seen the original movie "True Grit" should be aware of this.
Depending upon the date of manufacture of the weapon and the maintained condition of the weapon, Baldwin could indeed be telling the truth... I'm pretty sure a prop weapon is probably not the best maintained weapon and dirt and crud from repeated firings could easily have become lodged between the hammer, firing pin and the live round which is an common recipe for an accidental discharge with an older single action Colt... Other manufacturers of single action revolvers such as Ruger, have had transfer bar safeties since the 1980s or earlier.
Now I'm no Alec Baldwin fan as I think he is a complete asshat but in this case he might be right and I will hold judgement until all the facts come out... That being said I still find it disconcerting that live rounds were on the set in the first place and even more troubling is the fact that the supposed film's armorer mistook live rounds for blanks..:nea: . That's just inexcusable.
The initial reports say that he was aiming at the camera and then the gun went off.
The gun was in his extended hand and it went off.
What caused the pin to strike the primer?
The local Sheriff says that Alec Baldwins story doesnt add up.
The local sheriff.... Pleeeease... might as well be the local deputy dog catcher for what it's worth..
For all we know his thumb or the web of his hand could have put enough pressure on the hammer to cause an accidental discharge... I have no idea what exactly happened or how the gun was handled, nor does anyone here and it seems those on the scene don't know fuck all about what happened either.
I'm not saying that is exactly what happened. What I am saying is that under the right circumstances, it can happen. So Alec Baldwin's claim of not touching the trigger is a viable statement.
Title: Re: Alec Baldwin Accidentally Shoots and Kills Crew Member on Movie Set
Post by: Odinson on December 02, 2021, 10:36:28 PM
Post by: Odinson on December 02, 2021, 10:36:28 PM
A lot of armchair experts here...:laugh3: No offense...The revolver in question was a Colt M1873 single action revolver. Depending upon the year of manufacturer the discharge could have very well been accidental. Before 1999 the Colt M1873 had no safety transfer bar system which means it was dangerous to carry the gun hammer down on live round. Depending upon the condition of the revolver the slightest jar of the hammer could have set off a round.
Before single action revolvers were equipped with transfer bar safeties which block the hammer from comming in contact with a chambered round until it is fully cocked, it was standard practice to carry a single action revolver with the hammer down on an EMPTY chamber, essentially turning a 6-shooter into a 5-shooter. That way you did shoot your foot off while holstering the weapon. Anyone who has seen the original movie "True Grit" should be aware of this.
Depending upon the date of manufacture of the weapon and the maintained condition of the weapon, Baldwin could indeed be telling the truth... I'm pretty sure a prop weapon is probably not the best maintained weapon and dirt and crud from repeated firings could easily have become lodged between the hammer, firing pin and the live round which is an common recipe for an accidental discharge with an older single action Colt... Other manufacturers of single action revolvers such as Ruger, have had transfer bar safeties since the 1980s or earlier.
Now I'm no Alec Baldwin fan as I think he is a complete asshat but in this case he might be right and I will hold judgement until all the facts come out... That being said I still find it disconcerting that live rounds were on the set in the first place and even more troubling is the fact that the supposed film's armorer mistook live rounds for blanks..:nea: . That's just inexcusable.
The initial reports say that he was aiming at the camera and then the gun went off.
The gun was in his extended hand and it went off.
What caused the pin to strike the primer?
The local Sheriff says that Alec Baldwins story doesnt add up.
The local sheriff.... Pleeeease... might as well be the local deputy dog catcher for what it's worth..:laugh3:
For all we know his thumb or the web of his hand could have put enough pressure on the hammer to cause an accidental discharge... I have no idea what exactly happened or how the gun was handled, nor does anyone here and it seems those on the scene don't know fuck all about what happened either.
I'm not saying that is exactly what happened. What I am saying is that under the right circumstances, it can happen. So Alec Baldwin's claim of not touching the trigger is a viable statement.
This is from the new interview.. Less than an hour ago.
"I'm holding the gun where she told me to hold it," Baldwin told George Stephanopoulos in an ABC special that aired Thursday night and will stream afterward on Hulu. "In the scene (being rehearsed) I would have cocked the gun, and I said, 'Do you want to see that? And she said yes. So I take the gun and I sort of cock the gun, I'm not going to pull the trigger."
Hutchins told him to "tilt it down a little bit," he said. "I cock the gun and I go, 'Can you see that? Can you see that? Can you see that?' And I let go of the hammer of the gun and the gun goes off."
Another source:
Title: Re: Alec Baldwin Accidentally Shoots and Kills Crew Member on Movie Set
Post by: Anonymous on December 02, 2021, 10:59:13 PM
Post by: Anonymous on December 02, 2021, 10:59:13 PM
A lot of armchair experts here...:laugh3: No offense...The revolver in question was a Colt M1873 single action revolver. Depending upon the year of manufacturer the discharge could have very well been accidental. Before 1999 the Colt M1873 had no safety transfer bar system which means it was dangerous to carry the gun hammer down on live round. Depending upon the condition of the revolver the slightest jar of the hammer could have set off a round.
Before single action revolvers were equipped with transfer bar safeties which block the hammer from comming in contact with a chambered round until it is fully cocked, it was standard practice to carry a single action revolver with the hammer down on an EMPTY chamber, essentially turning a 6-shooter into a 5-shooter. That way you did shoot your foot off while holstering the weapon. Anyone who has seen the original movie "True Grit" should be aware of this.
Depending upon the date of manufacture of the weapon and the maintained condition of the weapon, Baldwin could indeed be telling the truth... I'm pretty sure a prop weapon is probably not the best maintained weapon and dirt and crud from repeated firings could easily have become lodged between the hammer, firing pin and the live round which is an common recipe for an accidental discharge with an older single action Colt... Other manufacturers of single action revolvers such as Ruger, have had transfer bar safeties since the 1980s or earlier.
Now I'm no Alec Baldwin fan as I think he is a complete asshat but in this case he might be right and I will hold judgement until all the facts come out... That being said I still find it disconcerting that live rounds were on the set in the first place and even more troubling is the fact that the supposed film's armorer mistook live rounds for blanks..:nea: . That's just inexcusable.
The initial reports say that he was aiming at the camera and then the gun went off.
The gun was in his extended hand and it went off.
What caused the pin to strike the primer?
The local Sheriff says that Alec Baldwins story doesnt add up.
The local sheriff.... Pleeeease... might as well be the local deputy dog catcher for what it's worth..:laugh3:
For all we know his thumb or the web of his hand could have put enough pressure on the hammer to cause an accidental discharge... I have no idea what exactly happened or how the gun was handled, nor does anyone here and it seems those on the scene don't know fuck all about what happened either.
I'm not saying that is exactly what happened. What I am saying is that under the right circumstances, it can happen. So Alec Baldwin's claim of not touching the trigger is a viable statement.
This is from the new interview.. Less than an hour ago.https://eu.usatoday.com/story/entertainment/movies/2021/12/02/alec-baldwin-rust-shooting-interview-george-stephanopoulos/8839098002/ Alec Baldwin said he cocked the gun but "didn't pull the trigger" in his first sit-down interview since the fatal shooting on the set of the movie "Rust" that killed cinematographer Halyna Hutchins and injured director Joel Souza.
"I'm holding the gun where she told me to hold it," Baldwin told George Stephanopoulos in an ABC special that aired Thursday night and will stream afterward on Hulu. "In the scene (being rehearsed) I would have cocked the gun, and I said, 'Do you want to see that? And she said yes. So I take the gun and I sort of cock the gun, I'm not going to pull the trigger."
Hutchins told him to "tilt it down a little bit," he said. "I cock the gun and I go, 'Can you see that? Can you see that? Can you see that?' And I let go of the hammer of the gun and the gun goes off."
Another source:https://www.reuters.com/world/us/alec-baldwin-give-his-account-fatal-rust-shooting-2021-12-02/
He doesn't want to accept responsibility.
Title: Re: Alec Baldwin Accidentally Shoots and Kills Crew Member on Movie Set
Post by: Renee on December 03, 2021, 09:18:18 AM
Post by: Renee on December 03, 2021, 09:18:18 AM
A lot of armchair experts here...:laugh3: No offense...The revolver in question was a Colt M1873 single action revolver. Depending upon the year of manufacturer the discharge could have very well been accidental. Before 1999 the Colt M1873 had no safety transfer bar system which means it was dangerous to carry the gun hammer down on live round. Depending upon the condition of the revolver the slightest jar of the hammer could have set off a round.
Before single action revolvers were equipped with transfer bar safeties which block the hammer from comming in contact with a chambered round until it is fully cocked, it was standard practice to carry a single action revolver with the hammer down on an EMPTY chamber, essentially turning a 6-shooter into a 5-shooter. That way you did shoot your foot off while holstering the weapon. Anyone who has seen the original movie "True Grit" should be aware of this.
Depending upon the date of manufacture of the weapon and the maintained condition of the weapon, Baldwin could indeed be telling the truth... I'm pretty sure a prop weapon is probably not the best maintained weapon and dirt and crud from repeated firings could easily have become lodged between the hammer, firing pin and the live round which is an common recipe for an accidental discharge with an older single action Colt... Other manufacturers of single action revolvers such as Ruger, have had transfer bar safeties since the 1980s or earlier.
Now I'm no Alec Baldwin fan as I think he is a complete asshat but in this case he might be right and I will hold judgement until all the facts come out... That being said I still find it disconcerting that live rounds were on the set in the first place and even more troubling is the fact that the supposed film's armorer mistook live rounds for blanks..:nea: . That's just inexcusable.
The initial reports say that he was aiming at the camera and then the gun went off.
The gun was in his extended hand and it went off.
What caused the pin to strike the primer?
The local Sheriff says that Alec Baldwins story doesnt add up.
The local sheriff.... Pleeeease... might as well be the local deputy dog catcher for what it's worth..:laugh3:
For all we know his thumb or the web of his hand could have put enough pressure on the hammer to cause an accidental discharge... I have no idea what exactly happened or how the gun was handled, nor does anyone here and it seems those on the scene don't know fuck all about what happened either.
I'm not saying that is exactly what happened. What I am saying is that under the right circumstances, it can happen. So Alec Baldwin's claim of not touching the trigger is a viable statement.
This is from the new interview.. Less than an hour ago.https://eu.usatoday.com/story/entertainment/movies/2021/12/02/alec-baldwin-rust-shooting-interview-george-stephanopoulos/8839098002/ Alec Baldwin said he cocked the gun but "didn't pull the trigger" in his first sit-down interview since the fatal shooting on the set of the movie "Rust" that killed cinematographer Halyna Hutchins and injured director Joel Souza.
"I'm holding the gun where she told me to hold it," Baldwin told George Stephanopoulos in an ABC special that aired Thursday night and will stream afterward on Hulu. "In the scene (being rehearsed) I would have cocked the gun, and I said, 'Do you want to see that? And she said yes. So I take the gun and I sort of cock the gun, I'm not going to pull the trigger."
Hutchins told him to "tilt it down a little bit," he said. "I cock the gun and I go, 'Can you see that? Can you see that? Can you see that?' And I let go of the hammer of the gun and the gun goes off."
Another source:https://www.reuters.com/world/us/alec-baldwin-give-his-account-fatal-rust-shooting-2021-12-02/
He doesn't want to accept responsibility.
Not necessarily....There is a mechanical explanation for what Baldwin describes and it makes perfect sense... What he described is a broken "sear". A sear is part of the trigger mechanism that engages the hammer, striker or bolt and prevents the hammer from going forward until the correct amount of pressure is placed on the trigger.
Now there are a number of ways a sear can fail. usually attributed to age, wear and tear, and improper or neglectful firearms maintenance. OR and this is total speculation,... the firearm was tampered with which along with live bullets being inexplicably on the set, would suggest something nefarious.
Again I'm not defending Alec Baldwin but what he described can happen and it will be up to firearms experts who are charged with doing the investigation to determine.
Title: Re: Alec Baldwin Accidentally Shoots and Kills Crew Member on Movie Set
Post by: Odinson on December 03, 2021, 10:39:42 PM
Post by: Odinson on December 03, 2021, 10:39:42 PM
The initial reports say that he was aiming at the camera and then the gun went off.
The gun was in his extended hand and it went off.
What caused the pin to strike the primer?
The local Sheriff says that Alec Baldwins story doesnt add up.
The local sheriff.... Pleeeease... might as well be the local deputy dog catcher for what it's worth..:laugh3:
For all we know his thumb or the web of his hand could have put enough pressure on the hammer to cause an accidental discharge... I have no idea what exactly happened or how the gun was handled, nor does anyone here and it seems those on the scene don't know fuck all about what happened either.
I'm not saying that is exactly what happened. What I am saying is that under the right circumstances, it can happen. So Alec Baldwin's claim of not touching the trigger is a viable statement.
This is from the new interview.. Less than an hour ago.https://eu.usatoday.com/story/entertainment/movies/2021/12/02/alec-baldwin-rust-shooting-interview-george-stephanopoulos/8839098002/ Alec Baldwin said he cocked the gun but "didn't pull the trigger" in his first sit-down interview since the fatal shooting on the set of the movie "Rust" that killed cinematographer Halyna Hutchins and injured director Joel Souza.
"I'm holding the gun where she told me to hold it," Baldwin told George Stephanopoulos in an ABC special that aired Thursday night and will stream afterward on Hulu. "In the scene (being rehearsed) I would have cocked the gun, and I said, 'Do you want to see that? And she said yes. So I take the gun and I sort of cock the gun, I'm not going to pull the trigger."
Hutchins told him to "tilt it down a little bit," he said. "I cock the gun and I go, 'Can you see that? Can you see that? Can you see that?' And I let go of the hammer of the gun and the gun goes off."
Another source:https://www.reuters.com/world/us/alec-baldwin-give-his-account-fatal-rust-shooting-2021-12-02/
He doesn't want to accept responsibility.
Not necessarily....There is a mechanical explanation for what Baldwin describes and it makes perfect sense... What he described is a broken "sear". A sear is part of the trigger mechanism that engages the hammer, striker or bolt and prevents the hammer from going forward until the correct amount of pressure is placed on the trigger.
Now there are a number of ways a sear can fail. usually attributed to age, wear and tear, and improper or neglectful firearms maintenance. OR and this is total speculation,... the firearm was tampered with which along with live bullets being inexplicably on the set, would suggest something nefarious.
Again I'm not defending Alec Baldwin but what he described can happen and it will be up to firearms experts who are charged with doing the investigation to determine.
That would explain why the hammer didnt engage at all.
In the interview he says that he pulled the hammer almost to full-cock.
There were live rounds on the set which they used for "plinking".
And the dummy rounds look exactly like live rounds.
Here is the interview.
Title: Re: Alec Baldwin Accidentally Shoots and Kills Crew Member on Movie Set
Post by: Anonymous on December 03, 2021, 11:07:40 PM
Post by: Anonymous on December 03, 2021, 11:07:40 PM
Title: Re: Alec Baldwin Accidentally Shoots and Kills Crew Member on Movie Set
Post by: Renee on December 04, 2021, 11:25:05 AM
Post by: Renee on December 04, 2021, 11:25:05 AM
The local sheriff.... Pleeeease... might as well be the local deputy dog catcher for what it's worth..:laugh3:
For all we know his thumb or the web of his hand could have put enough pressure on the hammer to cause an accidental discharge... I have no idea what exactly happened or how the gun was handled, nor does anyone here and it seems those on the scene don't know fuck all about what happened either.
I'm not saying that is exactly what happened. What I am saying is that under the right circumstances, it can happen. So Alec Baldwin's claim of not touching the trigger is a viable statement.
This is from the new interview.. Less than an hour ago.https://eu.usatoday.com/story/entertainment/movies/2021/12/02/alec-baldwin-rust-shooting-interview-george-stephanopoulos/8839098002/ Alec Baldwin said he cocked the gun but "didn't pull the trigger" in his first sit-down interview since the fatal shooting on the set of the movie "Rust" that killed cinematographer Halyna Hutchins and injured director Joel Souza.
"I'm holding the gun where she told me to hold it," Baldwin told George Stephanopoulos in an ABC special that aired Thursday night and will stream afterward on Hulu. "In the scene (being rehearsed) I would have cocked the gun, and I said, 'Do you want to see that? And she said yes. So I take the gun and I sort of cock the gun, I'm not going to pull the trigger."
Hutchins told him to "tilt it down a little bit," he said. "I cock the gun and I go, 'Can you see that? Can you see that? Can you see that?' And I let go of the hammer of the gun and the gun goes off."
Another source:https://www.reuters.com/world/us/alec-baldwin-give-his-account-fatal-rust-shooting-2021-12-02/
He doesn't want to accept responsibility.
Not necessarily....There is a mechanical explanation for what Baldwin describes and it makes perfect sense... What he described is a broken "sear". A sear is part of the trigger mechanism that engages the hammer, striker or bolt and prevents the hammer from going forward until the correct amount of pressure is placed on the trigger.
Now there are a number of ways a sear can fail. usually attributed to age, wear and tear, and improper or neglectful firearms maintenance. OR and this is total speculation,... the firearm was tampered with which along with live bullets being inexplicably on the set, would suggest something nefarious.
Again I'm not defending Alec Baldwin but what he described can happen and it will be up to firearms experts who are charged with doing the investigation to determine.
That would explain why the hammer didnt engage at all.
In the interview he says that he pulled the hammer almost to full-cock.
There were live rounds on the set which they used for "plinking".
And the dummy rounds look exactly like live rounds.
Here is the interview.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qNrwiRRFblQ&t=848s
Headstamp confusion is now being blamed which is bullshit.
If you want, we can discuss this more in depth where firearms talk is a welcome subject....
Title: Re: Alec Baldwin Accidentally Shoots and Kills Crew Member on Movie Set
Post by: Anonymous on December 04, 2021, 11:30:00 AM
Post by: Anonymous on December 04, 2021, 11:30:00 AM
Title: Re: Alec Baldwin Accidentally Shoots and Kills Crew Member on Movie Set
Post by: Odinson on December 04, 2021, 01:50:12 PM
Post by: Odinson on December 04, 2021, 01:50:12 PM
This is from the new interview.. Less than an hour ago.https://eu.usatoday.com/story/entertainment/movies/2021/12/02/alec-baldwin-rust-shooting-interview-george-stephanopoulos/8839098002/ Alec Baldwin said he cocked the gun but "didn't pull the trigger" in his first sit-down interview since the fatal shooting on the set of the movie "Rust" that killed cinematographer Halyna Hutchins and injured director Joel Souza.
"I'm holding the gun where she told me to hold it," Baldwin told George Stephanopoulos in an ABC special that aired Thursday night and will stream afterward on Hulu. "In the scene (being rehearsed) I would have cocked the gun, and I said, 'Do you want to see that? And she said yes. So I take the gun and I sort of cock the gun, I'm not going to pull the trigger."
Hutchins told him to "tilt it down a little bit," he said. "I cock the gun and I go, 'Can you see that? Can you see that? Can you see that?' And I let go of the hammer of the gun and the gun goes off."
Another source:https://www.reuters.com/world/us/alec-baldwin-give-his-account-fatal-rust-shooting-2021-12-02/
He doesn't want to accept responsibility.
Not necessarily....There is a mechanical explanation for what Baldwin describes and it makes perfect sense... What he described is a broken "sear". A sear is part of the trigger mechanism that engages the hammer, striker or bolt and prevents the hammer from going forward until the correct amount of pressure is placed on the trigger.
Now there are a number of ways a sear can fail. usually attributed to age, wear and tear, and improper or neglectful firearms maintenance. OR and this is total speculation,... the firearm was tampered with which along with live bullets being inexplicably on the set, would suggest something nefarious.
Again I'm not defending Alec Baldwin but what he described can happen and it will be up to firearms experts who are charged with doing the investigation to determine.
That would explain why the hammer didnt engage at all.
In the interview he says that he pulled the hammer almost to full-cock.
There were live rounds on the set which they used for "plinking".
And the dummy rounds look exactly like live rounds.
Here is the interview.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qNrwiRRFblQ&t=848s
Headstamp confusion is now being blamed which is bullshit.
If you want, we can discuss this more in depth where firearms talk is a welcome subject....
Confusion... Well otherwise they would be handing out 1st degree murder charges instead of manslaughter charges.
The dummy rounds have punched primers... So they appear to be empty rounds in the cylinder.
Title: Re: Alec Baldwin Accidentally Shoots and Kills Crew Member on Movie Set
Post by: Anonymous on December 04, 2021, 02:28:49 PM
Post by: Anonymous on December 04, 2021, 02:28:49 PM
Does anyone believe Alec Baldwin?
I don't.
Title: Re: Alec Baldwin Accidentally Shoots and Kills Crew Member on Movie Set
Post by: Frood on December 04, 2021, 10:23:34 PM
Post by: Frood on December 04, 2021, 10:23:34 PM
Does anyone believe Alec Baldwin?
I believe he's a spineless pussy who handballs the blame for his numerous instances of utter stupidity?