Title: Interesting and balanced interview
Post by: Frood on November 18, 2021, 10:01:04 PM
Post by: Frood on November 18, 2021, 10:01:04 PM
I'm putting it in its own thread to give it the proper focus it deserves rather than ignored in an existing one.
Thoughts after you've watched it in its entirety?
Title: Re: Interesting and balanced interview
Post by: cc on November 18, 2021, 11:01:17 PM
Post by: cc on November 18, 2021, 11:01:17 PM
I wouldn't listen to a creditable person anywhere near that long
Title: Re: Interesting and balanced interview
Post by: Frood on November 18, 2021, 11:41:57 PM
Post by: Frood on November 18, 2021, 11:41:57 PM
Watch the interview, don't watch it.... up to you, but please refrain from slanderous attacks.
Title: Re: Interesting and balanced interview
Post by: Bricktop on November 19, 2021, 01:57:10 AM
Post by: Bricktop on November 19, 2021, 01:57:10 AM
An hour and a quarter???
Summarise, please.
Title: Re: Interesting and balanced interview
Post by: Frood on November 19, 2021, 02:41:14 AM
Post by: Frood on November 19, 2021, 02:41:14 AM
He pushes back against some of Del's assertions or understandings but they engage each other in a respectful interview/discussion, and I firmly believe it's worth expending the 75 plus minutes to get through it.
Happy?
Title: Re: Interesting and balanced interview
Post by: Anonymous on November 19, 2021, 06:12:03 AM
Post by: Anonymous on November 19, 2021, 06:12:03 AM
He asserts that vaccines are like antibiotics in that, when they are both overused and imperfect, they allow germs to mutate in dangerous ways and he has been saying this before COVID vaccines..
Dr. Paul Offit, a paediatrician specialized in vaccines and immunology says that is
Dr Offit says if you have a vaccine that results in high levels of neutralizing antibodies, that's not a way to create variants,"
Title: Re: Interesting and balanced interview
Post by: Anonymous on November 19, 2021, 06:33:51 AM
Post by: Anonymous on November 19, 2021, 06:33:51 AM
Dude.
An hour and a quarter???
Summarise, please.
I agree one hundred percent. It's easier to do what Fash did and look up the doctor and read a summary of what his position is.
Title: Re: Interesting and balanced interview
Post by: Frood on November 19, 2021, 07:43:20 AM
Post by: Frood on November 19, 2021, 07:43:20 AM
I looked up Geert Vanden Bossche..
He asserts that vaccines are like antibiotics in that, when they are both overused and imperfect, they allow germs to mutate in dangerous ways and he has been saying this before COVID vaccines..
Dr. Paul Offit, a paediatrician specialized in vaccines and immunology says that iscomplete nonsesne..
Dr Offit says if you have a vaccine that results in high levels of neutralizing antibodies, that's not a way to create variants,"
But these current things are not "live attenuated vaccines"... and that is what Geert is pleading for others to look at.
Had I put the initial post into a cc covid cult Stockholm Syndrome thread, we wouldn't even be discussing the interview.
That's why I implored people in the OP to watch this interview for themselves in full and elaborate on their thoughts about it.
....yet nobody seems willing and/or able to do that.
Why is that? I didn't just drop a random thread when I've been operating in established threads for ages.
I genuinely want to know what people think watching that whole clip from start to finish...
....yet nobody has stepped up to the plate as far as I can surmise.
Title: Re: Interesting and balanced interview
Post by: Frood on November 19, 2021, 07:45:30 AM
Post by: Frood on November 19, 2021, 07:45:30 AM
Dude.
An hour and a quarter???
Summarise, please.
I agree one hundred percent. It's easier to do what Fash did and look up the doctor and read a summary of what his position is.
Cool.... Donald Trump urinated on Russian whores.
It must be true because I heard or read it.
Title: Re: Interesting and balanced interview
Post by: Anonymous on November 19, 2021, 09:01:56 AM
Post by: Anonymous on November 19, 2021, 09:01:56 AM
I looked up Geert Vanden Bossche..
He asserts that vaccines are like antibiotics in that, when they are both overused and imperfect, they allow germs to mutate in dangerous ways and he has been saying this before COVID vaccines..
Dr. Paul Offit, a paediatrician specialized in vaccines and immunology says that iscomplete nonsesne..
Dr Offit says if you have a vaccine that results in high levels of neutralizing antibodies, that's not a way to create variants,"
But these current things are not "live attenuated vaccines"... and that is what Geert is pleading for others to look at.
Had I put the initial post into a cc covid cult Stockholm Syndrome thread, we wouldn't even be discussing the interview.
That's why I implored people in the OP to watch this interview for themselves in full and elaborate on their thoughts about it.
....yet nobody seems willing and/or able to do that.
Why is that? I didn't just drop a random thread when I've been operating in established threads for ages.
I genuinely want to know what people think watching that whole clip from start to finish...
....yet nobody has stepped up to the plate as far as I can surmise.
I don't have time for this right now..
I did a brief check and it showed Geert Vanden Bossche's opinions about any vaccine aren't taken seriously among infectious disease experts and it was like that long before COVID.
I'll look for more about him tonight.
Title: Re: Interesting and balanced interview
Post by: Frood on November 19, 2021, 09:41:04 AM
Post by: Frood on November 19, 2021, 09:41:04 AM
Title: Re: Interesting and balanced interview
Post by: Anonymous on November 19, 2021, 11:02:47 AM
Post by: Anonymous on November 19, 2021, 11:02:47 AM
I looked up Geert Vanden Bossche..
He asserts that vaccines are like antibiotics in that, when they are both overused and imperfect, they allow germs to mutate in dangerous ways and he has been saying this before COVID vaccines..
Dr. Paul Offit, a paediatrician specialized in vaccines and immunology says that iscomplete nonsesne..
Dr Offit says if you have a vaccine that results in high levels of neutralizing antibodies, that's not a way to create variants,"
Dinky didn't even do that much checking.
Title: Re: Interesting and balanced interview
Post by: Frood on November 19, 2021, 11:24:03 AM
Post by: Frood on November 19, 2021, 11:24:03 AM
....as they shoot the video down without watching it.
Welcome to 2021....
THIS is why we can't have nice things.
Title: Re: Interesting and balanced interview
Post by: Anonymous on November 19, 2021, 12:01:41 PM
Post by: Anonymous on November 19, 2021, 12:01:41 PM
I looked up Geert Vanden Bossche..
He asserts that vaccines are like antibiotics in that, when they are both overused and imperfect, they allow germs to mutate in dangerous ways and he has been saying this before COVID vaccines..
Dr. Paul Offit, a paediatrician specialized in vaccines and immunology says that iscomplete nonsesne..
Dr Offit says if you have a vaccine that results in high levels of neutralizing antibodies, that's not a way to create variants,"
Dinky didn't even do that much checking.
I'll check more tonight about Geert Vanden Bossche's opposition to all vaccines.
Title: Re: Interesting and balanced interview
Post by: Frood on November 19, 2021, 12:07:57 PM
Post by: Frood on November 19, 2021, 12:07:57 PM
I looked up Geert Vanden Bossche..
He asserts that vaccines are like antibiotics in that, when they are both overused and imperfect, they allow germs to mutate in dangerous ways and he has been saying this before COVID vaccines..
Dr. Paul Offit, a paediatrician specialized in vaccines and immunology says that iscomplete nonsesne..
Dr Offit says if you have a vaccine that results in high levels of neutralizing antibodies, that's not a way to create variants,"
Dinky didn't even do that much checking.
I'll check more tonight about Geert Vanden Bossche's opposition to all vaccines.
Geert is pro vaccine...
Just watch the fucking video.
Title: Re: Interesting and balanced interview
Post by: cc on November 19, 2021, 12:37:48 PM
Post by: cc on November 19, 2021, 12:37:48 PM
Dr Offit says if you have a vaccine that results in high levels of neutralizing antibodies, that's not a way to create variants,"
I understand his argument & it's theory, not fact based. The stuff is in no way like an antibiotic structurally
Yes, contrary to the initial claimant, what causes likelihood of variants is the infection spread. Each infection increases the chances of variants developing. The more cases the more likelihood.
Or put the other way, the less infections the less opportunity for variants
Most variants have developed in high population / high case rate areas of the world .. this is logical & supports the above sentence 1 (India, S Africa for examples) and 2. the exceptions to that are other areas (UK) when case rate is very high
keywords > "high local infection rates" > high changes of variants developing.
(Simply look at from where and from when in time known variants developed)
Title: Re: Interesting and balanced interview
Post by: Frood on November 19, 2021, 12:43:47 PM
Post by: Frood on November 19, 2021, 12:43:47 PM
Title: Re: Interesting and balanced interview
Post by: cc on November 19, 2021, 01:12:43 PM
Post by: cc on November 19, 2021, 01:12:43 PM
in addition to India & S Africa, at least 3 sub-variants of Delta developed in packed UK cities during periods of very high infection rates
While there is a chance with every single infection, based on observed facts and not theory the pattern for variant development "by chance" has so far been consistently where chance is highest
Title: Re: Interesting and balanced interview
Post by: Anonymous on November 19, 2021, 01:59:23 PM
Post by: Anonymous on November 19, 2021, 01:59:23 PM
Dr Offit says if you have a vaccine that results in high levels of neutralizing antibodies, that's not a way to create variants,"
I understand his argument & it's theory, not fact based. The stuff is in no way like an antibiotic structurally
Yes, contrary to the initial claimant, what causes likelihood of variants is the infection spread. Each infection increases the chances of variants developing. The more cases the more likelihood.
Or put the other way, the less infections the less opportunity for variants
Most variants have developed in high population / high case rate areas of the world .. this is logical & supports the above sentence 1 (India, S Africa for examples) and 2. the exceptions to that are other areas (UK) when case rate is very high
keywords > "high local infection rates" > high changes of variants developing.
(Simply look at from where and from when in time known variants developed)
I'll read more about his theory tonight.
Title: Re: Interesting and balanced interview
Post by: Frood on November 19, 2021, 02:13:01 PM
Post by: Frood on November 19, 2021, 02:13:01 PM
Or you all could watch the video....................
Title: Re: Interesting and balanced interview
Post by: Anonymous on November 19, 2021, 08:41:31 PM
Post by: Anonymous on November 19, 2021, 08:41:31 PM
Title: Re: Interesting and balanced interview
Post by: Anonymous on November 19, 2021, 08:52:28 PM
Post by: Anonymous on November 19, 2021, 08:52:28 PM
Dink, watch this video.[media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NEyQi__zTuo [/media]
Sorry, I rely on data for vaccines not videos.
Title: Re: Interesting and balanced interview
Post by: cc on November 19, 2021, 09:08:20 PM
Post by: cc on November 19, 2021, 09:08:20 PM
Title: Re: Interesting and balanced interview
Post by: Anonymous on November 19, 2021, 09:21:59 PM
Post by: Anonymous on November 19, 2021, 09:21:59 PM
His position about innate immunity has been demolished and declared nonsense and his arguments against vaccination are a regurgitation of what Andrew Wakefield once made for MMR..
I found this that debunked one of Geert Vanden Bossche's main concerns:
Vanden Bossche's scientific argument in broad terms is that the current COVID-19 vaccines, through a mechanism analogous to antibiotic resistance, will create mutant variants of the virus that escape the protection of those vaccines. This problem will be exacerbated, he claims, because people who have been vaccinated (and/or social distancing and staying inside during the pandemic) will be less capable of fighting off those strains than someone who has not been vaccinated.
RNA viruses like SARS-CoV-2 do mutate. Several variations of the originally isolated strain have emerged since the start of the pandemic, and some of these variants are more infectious, contagious, or possibly deadly. While mutations to SARS-CoV-2 would be happening regardless of any human intervention, the notion that vaccination might apply evolutionary pressure toward variants that can escape current vaccines is not untenable.
Vanden Bosche argues that widespread vaccination will put evolutionary pressure on the viruses to develop adaptations — in this case changes to the spike protein that allows the virus to infect cells — in a way that will allow it to escape the vaccine's protection. He invokes the discovery of variants currently in circulation that have altered portions of the spike protein — the target of COVID-19 vaccine — implying that these observations lead credence to his hypothesis. They do not. All of these variants were discovered prior to any widespread vaccination program.
Vanden Bossche asserts that COVID-19 vaccines pose a unique risk of producing dangerous variants in part because people who are vaccinated will be spreading the mutations while asymptomatic. Mass vaccination programs, he claims, are "turning vaccinees into asymptomatic carriers" who can unknowingly spread these more dangerous strains by "shedding infectious variants." However, increasingly clear evidence exists that the current COVID-19 vaccines reduce transmission, as well as the amount of viral material available for shedding, even in asymptomatic cases. Evidence exists that they achieve this effect even against the variant strains of SARS-CoV-2.
This makes no sense, Yale's Omer told us. The production of targeted antibodies obviously creates a different response than a natural infection because "you're producing antibodies against specific needs ... therefore you have a limited targeted immune response, not the whole response that you see after an infection." The notion that this is somehow a problem relies on the unsupported claim that a natural infection would be better equipped to kill SARS-CoV-2. "The underlying fallacy," Omer explained, is that a natural infection is better than a vaccine. "It isn't," he told us. "Natural infection kills."
There is lots of information about the Belgian veterinarian..
His theories are not backed by data and debunked by scientists.
Title: Re: Interesting and balanced interview
Post by: Anonymous on November 19, 2021, 09:30:43 PM
Post by: Anonymous on November 19, 2021, 09:30:43 PM
Title: Re: Interesting and balanced interview
Post by: Bricktop on November 19, 2021, 09:53:34 PM
Post by: Bricktop on November 19, 2021, 09:53:34 PM
Title: Re: Interesting and balanced interview
Post by: Frood on November 19, 2021, 10:55:28 PM
Post by: Frood on November 19, 2021, 10:55:28 PM
Most of you are scared lil cowardly progressives on the covid/death jab issue.
It's funny to watch.... old people fearing their own mortality and being led down the garden path.
Title: Re: Interesting and balanced interview
Post by: Bricktop on November 20, 2021, 12:06:06 AM
Post by: Bricktop on November 20, 2021, 12:06:06 AM
It's funny to watch.... old people fearing their own mortality
Wait till you hit 70, short pants.
The world is a vastly different place.
And please...by all means...tell us how it won't happen to you, it will be different...
Title: Re: Interesting and balanced interview
Post by: Frood on November 20, 2021, 12:34:54 AM
Post by: Frood on November 20, 2021, 12:34:54 AM
I hate tapioca pudding, recreation rooms, and haemorrhoids...
Title: Re: Interesting and balanced interview
Post by: Bricktop on November 20, 2021, 03:25:18 AM
Post by: Bricktop on November 20, 2021, 03:25:18 AM
Not gonna happen, Freudy...only the good die young.
Title: Re: Interesting and balanced interview
Post by: Anonymous on November 20, 2021, 05:05:35 AM
Post by: Anonymous on November 20, 2021, 05:05:35 AM
Freud needs to learn about the virtue of credibility. It's one thing to quote a source...but do a little homework first.
Not only was his theory easily debunked it was plagiarized by someone using it against MMR.
Title: Re: Interesting and balanced interview
Post by: Anonymous on November 20, 2021, 05:35:21 AM
Post by: Anonymous on November 20, 2021, 05:35:21 AM
Dr Offit says if you have a vaccine that results in high levels of neutralizing antibodies, that's not a way to create variants,"
I understand his argument & it's theory, not fact based. The stuff is in no way like an antibiotic structurally
Yes, contrary to the initial claimant, what causes likelihood of variants is the infection spread. Each infection increases the chances of variants developing. The more cases the more likelihood.
Or put the other way, the less infections the less opportunity for variants
Most variants have developed in high population / high case rate areas of the world .. this is logical & supports the above sentence 1 (India, S Africa for examples) and 2. the exceptions to that are other areas (UK) when case rate is very high
keywords > "high local infection rates" > high changes of variants developing.
(Simply look at from where and from when in time known variants developed)
I'll read more about his theory tonight.
My views on vaccines are not set in stone. But, videos will not influence my opinions. They are entertainment, usually of the fictional variety. Scouse got his education from fringe videos and he too never questions the words of the 'experts' who make them.
Title: Re: Interesting and balanced interview
Post by: Frood on November 20, 2021, 02:58:16 PM
Post by: Frood on November 20, 2021, 02:58:16 PM
Freud needs to learn about the virtue of credibility. It's one thing to quote a source...but do a little homework first.
Not only was his theory easily debunked it was plagiarized by someone using it against MMR.
Would you like some more Koolaid to go with that window?
Title: Re: Interesting and balanced interview
Post by: Bricktop on November 20, 2021, 05:44:59 PM
Post by: Bricktop on November 20, 2021, 05:44:59 PM
It's not us that is drinking deep of the Koolaid.
Title: Re: Interesting and balanced interview
Post by: Frood on November 20, 2021, 05:45:30 PM
Post by: Frood on November 20, 2021, 05:45:30 PM
Title: Re: Interesting and balanced interview
Post by: Bricktop on November 20, 2021, 06:00:47 PM
Post by: Bricktop on November 20, 2021, 06:00:47 PM
What a comeback.
Title: Re: Interesting and balanced interview
Post by: Frood on November 20, 2021, 06:03:06 PM
Post by: Frood on November 20, 2021, 06:03:06 PM
Title: Re: Interesting and balanced interview
Post by: Bricktop on November 20, 2021, 06:06:56 PM
Post by: Bricktop on November 20, 2021, 06:06:56 PM
Come on...
Title: Re: Interesting and balanced interview
Post by: cc on November 20, 2021, 06:12:35 PM
Post by: cc on November 20, 2021, 06:12:35 PM
You are asking people to spend over an hour of their time to watch a video featuring a known and declared disinterest in fact.
Come on...
Par for the course / modus operandi for conspiracists
No surprise here
Title: Re: Interesting and balanced interview
Post by: Frood on November 20, 2021, 06:13:54 PM
Post by: Frood on November 20, 2021, 06:13:54 PM
You are asking people to spend over an hour of their time to watch a video featuring a known and declared disinterest in fact.
Come on...
Then refrain from commenting if you're not willing to do the hard yards and watch something a thread is started about.
Title: Re: Interesting and balanced interview
Post by: Bricktop on November 20, 2021, 06:15:34 PM
Post by: Bricktop on November 20, 2021, 06:15:34 PM
You are asking people to spend over an hour of their time to watch a video featuring a known and declared disinterest in fact.
Come on...
Then refrain from commenting if you're not willing to do the hard yards and watch something a thread is started about.
Not at all. Comment is entirely valid when you cite a dubious source.
Title: Re: Interesting and balanced interview
Post by: Frood on November 20, 2021, 06:18:06 PM
Post by: Frood on November 20, 2021, 06:18:06 PM
Title: Re: Interesting and balanced interview
Post by: cc on November 20, 2021, 06:26:16 PM
Post by: cc on November 20, 2021, 06:26:16 PM
... when you cite a dubious source.Quote from: Bricktop post_id=427754 time=1637450134 user_id=1560
This is how conspiracists operate .. their modus operandi is the same no matter the cause .. dubious source
Title: Re: Interesting and balanced interview
Post by: Frood on November 20, 2021, 06:27:18 PM
Post by: Frood on November 20, 2021, 06:27:18 PM
Go away, Branch Covidian....
Title: Re: Interesting and balanced interview
Post by: Anonymous on November 20, 2021, 07:35:48 PM
Post by: Anonymous on November 20, 2021, 07:35:48 PM
You are asking people to spend over an hour of their time to watch a video featuring a known and declared disinterest in fact.
Come on...
Then refrain from commenting if you're not willing to do the hard yards and watch something a thread is started about.
Not at all. Comment is entirely valid when you cite a dubious source.
Those are the only sources he ever cites. Fash and ceec always pick these video wankers apart, but that doesn't stop him from believing vaccines will kill him faster than cigarettes.
Title: Re: Interesting and balanced interview
Post by: Frood on November 20, 2021, 07:42:50 PM
Post by: Frood on November 20, 2021, 07:42:50 PM
Title: Re: Interesting and balanced interview
Post by: Anonymous on November 20, 2021, 08:27:23 PM
Post by: Anonymous on November 20, 2021, 08:27:23 PM
Pavlov called.... your dinners are in the fridge.
You got to do better if you want to be taken seriously. The Seoul brother laid down the laid down the gauntlet and you couldn't put up. So more videos. Did you watch the one I posted?
Title: Re: Interesting and balanced interview
Post by: Frood on November 20, 2021, 08:40:04 PM
Post by: Frood on November 20, 2021, 08:40:04 PM
Pavlov called.... your dinners are in the fridge.
You got to do better if you want to be taken seriously. The Seoul brother laid down the laid down the gauntlet and you couldn't put up. So more videos. Did you watch the one I posted?
You first, then I'll watch yours.
The gauntlet is credibility and none of you have it if you're not prepared to watch before you disparage.
Title: Re: Interesting and balanced interview
Post by: cc on November 20, 2021, 08:44:11 PM
Post by: cc on November 20, 2021, 08:44:11 PM
:001_rolleyes:
Be careful. Keep this up and you will ruin your eye muscles for "the cause"
Title: Re: Interesting and balanced interview
Post by: Anonymous on November 20, 2021, 08:50:25 PM
Post by: Anonymous on November 20, 2021, 08:50:25 PM
Pavlov called.... your dinners are in the fridge.
You got to do better if you want to be taken seriously. The Seoul brother laid down the laid down the gauntlet and you couldn't put up. So more videos. Did you watch the one I posted?
You first, then I'll watch yours.
The gauntlet is credibility and none of you have it if you're not prepared to watch before you disparage.
I didn't watch either video to completion. Just like you did not check about Vanden Bossche. After Fash posted about that Belgian vet, I did a search and she was right. And not only that, he stole his ideas from some other clown who used the same argument against MMR vaccine.
Brother, give it up. You cannot post data to prove your deluded belief COVID vaccines are killers because the date shows just the opposite.
Title: Re: Interesting and balanced interview
Post by: Frood on November 20, 2021, 09:07:59 PM
Post by: Frood on November 20, 2021, 09:07:59 PM
Pavlov called.... your dinners are in the fridge.
You got to do better if you want to be taken seriously. The Seoul brother laid down the laid down the gauntlet and you couldn't put up. So more videos. Did you watch the one I posted?
You first, then I'll watch yours.
The gauntlet is credibility and none of you have it if you're not prepared to watch before you disparage.
I didn't watch either video to completion. Just like you did not check about Vanden Bossche. After Fash posted about that Belgian vet, I did a search and she was right. And not only that, he stole his ideas from some other clown who used the same argument against MMR vaccine.
Brother, give it up. You cannot post data to prove your deluded belief COVID vaccines are killers because the date shows just the opposite.
I've been aware of Bossche since the first months of 2020... and he's more than just a vet.
The problem is those of you who have to have talking points approved by the MSM and dodgy gov orgs before you'll engage in any honest debate or discussion.
It's pretty disgusting and at odds with your other viewpoints on non covid related topics.
So if you're incapable of watching something which might challenge your prejudices, there is no discussion to be had here.... you should have not posted at all.
That would have been the sensible thing to do. Put up or shut up.
:001_rolleyes:
Be careful. Keep this up and you will ruin your eye muscles for "the cause"
Ok, Branch Covidian....
Title: Re: Interesting and balanced interview
Post by: Anonymous on November 20, 2021, 09:10:12 PM
Post by: Anonymous on November 20, 2021, 09:10:12 PM
The data shows asymptomatic transmission plummets and viral replication drops among fully vaccinated people.
Title: Re: Interesting and balanced interview
Post by: Frood on November 20, 2021, 09:11:39 PM
Post by: Frood on November 20, 2021, 09:11:39 PM
Another video to be ignored and the news source pilloried.
Title: Re: Interesting and balanced interview
Post by: Anonymous on November 20, 2021, 09:18:41 PM
Post by: Anonymous on November 20, 2021, 09:18:41 PM
From my province.
Title: Re: Interesting and balanced interview
Post by: Frood on November 20, 2021, 09:53:18 PM
Post by: Frood on November 20, 2021, 09:53:18 PM
Title: Re: Interesting and balanced interview
Post by: Bricktop on November 20, 2021, 09:54:47 PM
Post by: Bricktop on November 20, 2021, 09:54:47 PM
Only 2 boomers in da house, and one rarely shows himself.
Title: Re: Interesting and balanced interview
Post by: Frood on November 20, 2021, 10:05:19 PM
Post by: Frood on November 20, 2021, 10:05:19 PM
Title: Re: Interesting and balanced interview
Post by: cc on November 20, 2021, 10:32:56 PM
Post by: cc on November 20, 2021, 10:32:56 PM
Oh Dinky, why do you keep posting videos that are so easily debunked.
:laugh:
From my province.Recent rates of hospitalization, intensive care unit (ICU) admission and death among unvaccinated Albertans have been at least eight times higher — and as much as 60 times higher — compared to the fully vaccinated population, depending on which age range you look at.https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/alberta-severe-outcomes-covid-vaccination-1.6178449 (//%3C/s%3E%3CURL%20url=%22https://i.cbc.ca/1.6178453.1631831613!/fileImage/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/original_1180/vax-by-age-and-hospitalization-outcome.jpg%22%3E%3CLINK_TEXT%20text=%22https://i.cbc.ca/1.6178453.1631831613!/%20...%20utcome.jpg%22%3Ehttps://i.cbc.ca/1.6178453.1631831613!/fileImage/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/original_1180/vax-by-age-and-hospitalization-outcome.jpg%3C/LINK_TEXT%3E%3C/URL%3E%3Ce%3E)
I'm not going to calculate it as "overall" irrespective of age to compare, but spot check look shows about same rates we are getting here with age not in the calcs .. i.e as overall (20 / 1 more chance of hospitalization / case if not vaxxed) & 8 X the chance of infection (which computes exactly with figures expected and with BC's stats)
At the risk of hurting my eyes, I'll sparingly borrow a
Title: Re: Interesting and balanced interview
Post by: Anonymous on November 21, 2021, 06:09:59 AM
Post by: Anonymous on November 21, 2021, 06:09:59 AM
Oh Dinky, why do you keep posting videos that are so easily debunked.
:laugh:
From my province.Recent rates of hospitalization, intensive care unit (ICU) admission and death among unvaccinated Albertans have been at least eight times higher — and as much as 60 times higher — compared to the fully vaccinated population, depending on which age range you look at.https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/alberta-severe-outcomes-covid-vaccination-1.6178449 (//%3C/s%3E%3CURL%20url=%22https://i.cbc.ca/1.6178453.1631831613!/fileImage/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/original_1180/vax-by-age-and-hospitalization-outcome.jpg%22%3E%3CLINK_TEXT%20text=%22https://i.cbc.ca/1.6178453.1631831613!/%20...%20utcome.jpg%22%3Ehttps://i.cbc.ca/1.6178453.1631831613!/fileImage/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/original_1180/vax-by-age-and-hospitalization-outcome.jpg%3C/LINK_TEXT%3E%3C/URL%3E%3Ce%3E)
Cold hard data is the enemy of blind conspiracy theory followers.
Title: Re: Interesting and balanced interview
Post by: Anonymous on November 21, 2021, 06:10:50 AM
Post by: Anonymous on November 21, 2021, 06:10:50 AM
She's not a boomer!!!
Only 2 boomers in da house, and one rarely shows himself.
That's too bad because kiebs is a good contributor.
Title: Re: Interesting and balanced interview
Post by: cc on November 21, 2021, 03:33:48 PM
Post by: cc on November 21, 2021, 03:33:48 PM
Cold hard data is the enemy of blind conspiracy theory followers.
Exactly. In fact it is their "undoing"
Only they don't know they are running around naked .. not always a pleasant sight for the rest of us
Title: Re: Interesting and balanced interview
Post by: Frood on November 21, 2021, 10:54:50 PM
Post by: Frood on November 21, 2021, 10:54:50 PM
You people are so wilfully stupid...
....with your fake news and fake figures.....clutching at anything to soothe your fragile sense of mortality... like ignorant cowards.
Title: Re: Interesting and balanced interview
Post by: Anonymous on November 22, 2021, 06:43:56 AM
Post by: Anonymous on November 22, 2021, 06:43:56 AM
:001_rolleyes:
You people are so wilfully stupid...
....with your fake news and fake figures.....clutching at anything to soothe your fragile sense of mortality... like ignorant cowards.:crazy:
You are making libertarians look dumb. You are giving Scouse a run for his money falling for every fringe video that is so easily debunked. Stick to opposing vaccine mandates. Scientific data does not vaccines being harmful.
Title: Re: Interesting and balanced interview
Post by: Frood on November 22, 2021, 07:57:02 AM
Post by: Frood on November 22, 2021, 07:57:02 AM
:001_rolleyes:
You people are so wilfully stupid...
....with your fake news and fake figures.....clutching at anything to soothe your fragile sense of mortality... like ignorant cowards.:crazy:
You are making libertarians look dumb. You are giving Scouse a run for his money falling for every fringe video that is so easily debunked. Stick to opposing vaccine mandates. Scientific data does not vaccines being harmful.
No, yuo....
Title: Re: Interesting and balanced interview
Post by: Poppy on November 22, 2021, 02:12:21 PM
Post by: Poppy on November 22, 2021, 02:12:21 PM
:001_rolleyes:
You people are so wilfully stupid...
....with your fake news and fake figures.....clutching at anything to soothe your fragile sense of mortality... like ignorant cowards.:crazy:
You are making libertarians look dumb. You are giving Scouse a run for his money falling for every fringe video that is so easily debunked. Stick to opposing vaccine mandates. Scientific data does not vaccines being harmful.
No, yuo....:001_rolleyes:
Have you been asked to appear on Alex Jones' show to share your vaccine knowledge?
Title: Re: Interesting and balanced interview
Post by: Frood on November 22, 2021, 07:49:13 PM
Post by: Frood on November 22, 2021, 07:49:13 PM
:001_rolleyes:
You people are so wilfully stupid...
....with your fake news and fake figures.....clutching at anything to soothe your fragile sense of mortality... like ignorant cowards.:crazy:
You are making libertarians look dumb. You are giving Scouse a run for his money falling for every fringe video that is so easily debunked. Stick to opposing vaccine mandates. Scientific data does not vaccines being harmful.
No, yuo....:001_rolleyes:
Have you been asked to appear on Alex Jones' show to share your vaccine knowledge?
No.... have you been hired by Massengill yet to walk on a beach set and talk about your unfreshness?
Title: Re: Interesting and balanced interview
Post by: Anonymous on November 23, 2021, 10:24:08 AM
Post by: Anonymous on November 23, 2021, 10:24:08 AM
:001_rolleyes:
You people are so wilfully stupid...
....with your fake news and fake figures.....clutching at anything to soothe your fragile sense of mortality... like ignorant cowards.:crazy:
You are making libertarians look dumb. You are giving Scouse a run for his money falling for every fringe video that is so easily debunked. Stick to opposing vaccine mandates. Scientific data does not vaccines being harmful.
The last sentence is mangled, but I get your point and agree Seoul.
Title: Re: Interesting and balanced interview
Post by: Anonymous on November 23, 2021, 02:42:45 PM
Post by: Anonymous on November 23, 2021, 02:42:45 PM
Unvaccinated people are 16 times more likely to end up in intensive care units or die from COVID-19, Australia's New South Wales state said in a report, with officials urging people to get inoculated as Australia begins to live with the coronavirus.Quote
The data from New South Wales (NSW) health department out late on Monday showed only 11% of people out of 412 who died from the Delta outbreak over four months through early October were fully vaccinated. The average age of those deaths was 82.
And this
Only around 3% of people in intensive care units had two doses, while more than 63% of the 61,800 cases detected between June 16 and Oct. 7 were unvaccinated.Quote"Young people with two doses of a vaccine experienced lower rates of infection and almost no serious disease,while those unvaccinated in this age group were at greater risk of developing COVID-19 and needing hospitalisation," NSW Chief Health Officer Kerry Chant said in a statement.
The report's findings were in line with data from the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, which said in September that unvaccinated individuals were 11 times more likely to die from COVID-19 than those who were fully vaccinated.
Title: Re: Interesting and balanced interview
Post by: cc on November 23, 2021, 06:25:34 PM
Post by: cc on November 23, 2021, 06:25:34 PM
If I recall Grade 2 math correctly, that more than is a 20 to 1 ratio of cases hospitalized
Thanks but I think I'll keep my vax
Title: Re: Interesting and balanced interview
Post by: Anonymous on November 23, 2021, 07:29:27 PM
Post by: Anonymous on November 23, 2021, 07:29:27 PM
Like everywhere else, data from Australia shows vaccines save lives. And the people who are fully vaxxed who are dying are really old and likely are immunocompromised.Unvaccinated people are 16 times more likely to end up in intensive care units or die from COVID-19, Australia's New South Wales state said in a report, with officials urging people to get inoculated as Australia begins to live with the coronavirus.Quote
The data from New South Wales (NSW) health department out late on Monday showed only 11% of people out of 412 who died from the Delta outbreak over four months through early October were fully vaccinated. The average age of those deaths was 82.https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/australias-nsw-says-unvaccinated-16-times-more-likely-die-covid-19-2021-11-09
And thisOnly around 3% of people in intensive care units had two doses, while more than 63% of the 61,800 cases detected between June 16 and Oct. 7 were unvaccinated.Quote"Young people with two doses of a vaccine experienced lower rates of infection and almost no serious disease,while those unvaccinated in this age group were at greater risk of developing COVID-19 and needing hospitalisation," NSW Chief Health Officer Kerry Chant said in a statement.
The report's findings were in line with data from the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, which said in September that unvaccinated individuals were 11 times more likely to die from COVID-19 than those who were fully vaccinated.
Some real data.
Title: Re: Interesting and balanced interview
Post by: cc on November 23, 2021, 08:48:47 PM
Post by: cc on November 23, 2021, 08:48:47 PM
followed by rolling her or his eyes
I'd hate for me of any of us to be responsible for his or her eyes getting stuck in that position permanently
Title: Re: Interesting and balanced interview
Post by: Bricktop on November 23, 2021, 09:26:28 PM
Post by: Bricktop on November 23, 2021, 09:26:28 PM
It doesn't stop them saying dumb things, though.
Title: Re: Interesting and balanced interview
Post by: cc on November 23, 2021, 09:27:47 PM
Post by: cc on November 23, 2021, 09:27:47 PM
Title: Re: Interesting and balanced interview
Post by: Anonymous on November 23, 2021, 09:30:06 PM
Post by: Anonymous on November 23, 2021, 09:30:06 PM
Dinky will get all snarky and have another hissyfit
followed by rolling her or his eyes
I'd hate for me of any of us to be responsible for his or her eyes getting stuck in that position permanently
No yuo
Title: Re: Interesting and balanced interview
Post by: Frood on November 23, 2021, 10:12:52 PM
Post by: Frood on November 23, 2021, 10:12:52 PM
I still don't see anybody with the cajones to watch the original video set out alongside very clear instructions that even a South Australian could comprehend.
Carry on, simpletons...
Title: Re: Interesting and balanced interview
Post by: cc on November 23, 2021, 10:39:12 PM
Post by: cc on November 23, 2021, 10:39:12 PM
Dinky will get all snarky and have another hissyfit
followed by rolling her or his eyes
I'd hate for me of any of us to be responsible for his or her eyes getting stuck in that position permanently
No yuo
Title: Re: Interesting and balanced interview
Post by: Frood on November 23, 2021, 10:50:32 PM
Post by: Frood on November 23, 2021, 10:50:32 PM
Title: Re: Interesting and balanced interview
Post by: Bricktop on November 23, 2021, 11:33:11 PM
Post by: Bricktop on November 23, 2021, 11:33:11 PM
One does not require cajones to watch a video.
One does, however, require motivation and interest to spend an hour of their life to watch a video by a discredited gong beater spreading disinformation about an issue that is, frankly, boring.
Get a jab or don't. Nobody here cares. I support your position that you should not be forced or co-erced into taking a drug against your will, and I'll happily join you in resisting that tyranny. The members here fully understand that the inoculation does not prevent infection nor transmission, but it has value in mitigating symptoms. They understand there are risks. They consider their options. They make their choice.
The issue isn't about the drug, but about your personal freedom. All drugs are harmful, even those that sustain your life. We get it.
Move on, man.
This subject is dead.
Title: Re: Interesting and balanced interview
Post by: Frood on November 23, 2021, 11:38:34 PM
Post by: Frood on November 23, 2021, 11:38:34 PM
Title: Re: Interesting and balanced interview
Post by: Bricktop on November 23, 2021, 11:43:27 PM
Post by: Bricktop on November 23, 2021, 11:43:27 PM
Title: Re: Interesting and balanced interview
Post by: Frood on November 24, 2021, 12:51:26 AM
Post by: Frood on November 24, 2021, 12:51:26 AM
Title: Re: Interesting and balanced interview
Post by: Bricktop on November 24, 2021, 02:12:07 AM
Post by: Bricktop on November 24, 2021, 02:12:07 AM
Following this, different varieties of Wyandotte gradually made their way across different states of America - such as the Partridge, Silver Laced and Buff.
Title: Re: Interesting and balanced interview
Post by: Frood on November 24, 2021, 03:20:49 AM
Post by: Frood on November 24, 2021, 03:20:49 AM
Title: Re: Interesting and balanced interview
Post by: Bricktop on November 24, 2021, 05:53:46 PM
Post by: Bricktop on November 24, 2021, 05:53:46 PM
I'd rather stand on ground built by convicts than slaves.
Title: Re: Interesting and balanced interview
Post by: Frood on November 24, 2021, 06:04:40 PM
Post by: Frood on November 24, 2021, 06:04:40 PM
I'd rather stand on ground built by convicts than slaves.
Same thing...
Title: Re: Interesting and balanced interview
Post by: Bricktop on November 24, 2021, 06:10:16 PM
Post by: Bricktop on November 24, 2021, 06:10:16 PM
And the convicts that built much of Australia were free men, having completed their sentence and choosing to stay and build a better, fairer life.
Title: Re: Interesting and balanced interview
Post by: Frood on November 24, 2021, 06:18:37 PM
Post by: Frood on November 24, 2021, 06:18:37 PM
What crimes did the slaves commit to be transported to America.
And the convicts that built much of Australia were free men, having completed their sentence and choosing to stay and build a better, fairer life.
Sentenced to banishment from England and likely a cruel death via hard labour and malnutrition often for stealing a loaf of bread or selling sex to feed their kids....
Whereas African slaves were caught by tribal chiefs and sold off to the Portuguese to later have kids of their own, food in their bellies, and decent shelter.
Slaves were better off and treated than England's unmentionables.
But it's no surprise though.... the English are stupid smelly cunts afraid of soap and toothbrushes...
Title: Re: Interesting and balanced interview
Post by: Bricktop on November 24, 2021, 06:29:35 PM
Post by: Bricktop on November 24, 2021, 06:29:35 PM
Nonetheless the British court system was a barbaric and cruel institution. But it least it only hung people after a trial.
Unlike the KKK.
Title: Re: Interesting and balanced interview
Post by: Frood on November 24, 2021, 06:40:10 PM
Post by: Frood on November 24, 2021, 06:40:10 PM
Even most of you whinging 10 pound Poms in the 50's never made it back to Britain after realising you got bamboozled.
And the KKK aka the Democrat Party weren't as active as the history books would have one believe but a hanging is still a hanging.....rigged English trial or not.
Title: Re: Interesting and balanced interview
Post by: Bricktop on November 24, 2021, 07:57:43 PM
Post by: Bricktop on November 24, 2021, 07:57:43 PM
Facts, man...they'll bite you in the ass every time.
Title: Re: Interesting and balanced interview
Post by: Frood on November 24, 2021, 09:19:37 PM
Post by: Frood on November 24, 2021, 09:19:37 PM
Glasses, gramps... get some!
"Even most of you whinging 10 pound Poms in the 50's never made it back to Britain after realising you got bamboozled."