How their little minds work.
https://www.iflscience.com/brain/neuroscientist-explains-why-some-people-are-more-prone-to-believing-conspiracies/?fbclid=IwAR2TPNvurSw1MY7V_7gq7jx70QfxcPY77uc8vLQSIo5f0YPiCJ5Cxsuay_g
Recently, droves of people have hurled themselves headfirst into the rabbit hole of conspiracy theories. While some of the more outlandish theories make for a fun read, many take them completely seriously, declaring that they see a sinister underbelly to everyday life.
The already booming anti-vax community has latched onto the new vaccines for COVID-19. They make spurious claims that the vaccine has been rushed, contains harmful substances, or can rewrite your genetic code. Despite being debunked by experts, these views still persist. Some conspiracy theorists cite the virus itself as a hoax, with some even claiming that it is caused by 5G – showing a shaky grasp of both biology and physics. These views have real-world consequences, resulting in arson attacks on 5G towers and assaults on workers. Belief in 5G conspiracies has even backfired on believers, with some wasting money on contraptions to block Wi-Fi from their own routers to "protect" themselves.
Somehow, these are not even the most fantastical conspiracy theories out there. Conspiracy theorists claim that the vapor trails behind airplanes are "chemtrails", containing harmful substances being deliberately sprayed on us for some reason. Proponents of this idea have even mistaken normal airplanes for UFOs checking the chemtrails out. Some people even believe that the Vatican is covering up the existence of giants. So why, in a world already full of chaos, are people so enthusiastic about whipping up more? Neuroscientist Shannon Odell explains why in this video from Inverse.
https://www.iflscience.com/brain/neuroscientist-explains-why-some-people-are-more-prone-to-believing-conspiracies/?fbclid=IwAR2TPNvurSw1MY7V_7gq7jx70QfxcPY77uc8vLQSIo5f0YPiCJ5Cxsuay_g
[media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z98U1nMFrJQ[/media]

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That seems very accurate.
Stupid uneducated nutjobs like me are easy targets of conspiracy theorists.
Conspiracy croackpots aren't wired right.
Quote from: Herman post_id=428157 time=1637804419 user_id=1689
How their little minds work.
https://www.iflscience.com/brain/neuroscientist-explains-why-some-people-are-more-prone-to-believing-conspiracies/?fbclid=IwAR2TPNvurSw1MY7V_7gq7jx70QfxcPY77uc8vLQSIo5f0YPiCJ5Cxsuay_g
Recently, droves of people have hurled themselves headfirst into the rabbit hole of conspiracy theories. While some of the more outlandish theories make for a fun read, many take them completely seriously, declaring that they see a sinister underbelly to everyday life.
The already booming anti-vax community has latched onto the new vaccines for COVID-19. They make spurious claims that the vaccine has been rushed, contains harmful substances, or can rewrite your genetic code. Despite being debunked by experts, these views still persist. Some conspiracy theorists cite the virus itself as a hoax, with some even claiming that it is caused by 5G – showing a shaky grasp of both biology and physics. These views have real-world consequences, resulting in arson attacks on 5G towers and assaults on workers. Belief in 5G conspiracies has even backfired on believers, with some wasting money on contraptions to block Wi-Fi from their own routers to "protect" themselves.
Somehow, these are not even the most fantastical conspiracy theories out there. Conspiracy theorists claim that the vapor trails behind airplanes are "chemtrails", containing harmful substances being deliberately sprayed on us for some reason. Proponents of this idea have even mistaken normal airplanes for UFOs checking the chemtrails out. Some people even believe that the Vatican is covering up the existence of giants. So why, in a world already full of chaos, are people so enthusiastic about whipping up more? Neuroscientist Shannon Odell explains why in this video from Inverse.
https://www.iflscience.com/brain/neuroscientist-explains-why-some-people-are-more-prone-to-believing-conspiracies/?fbclid=IwAR2TPNvurSw1MY7V_7gq7jx70QfxcPY77uc8vLQSIo5f0YPiCJ5Cxsuay_g
[media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z98U1nMFrJQ[/media]
Eighteen months ago if someone said the coronavirus originated in a lab they would have been called conspiracy crazy.
I call bullshit.
This does not explain why the majority of "conspiracy theories" originate in the US...unless American brains are wired differently, which is a tempting supposition, but not reality practical.
The video ignores the cultural forces that generate and re-inforce conspiracy theories, and that is why America is so vulnerable to this nonsense.
And also why it is so dangerous. It could be argued that "conspiracy theory syndrome" was a key factor in some of America's military actions. Iraq is an indisputable example. But so is Korea, Vietnam and Cuba (Bay of Pigs fiasco).
There is a deeply embedded flaw in America's cultural character that generates and propagates these idiocies. We even witness them in these threads.
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I call bullshit.
This does not explain why the majority of "conspiracy theories" originate in the US...unless American brains are wired differently, which is a tempting supposition, but not reality practical.
The video ignores the cultural forces that generate and re-inforce conspiracy theories, and that is why America is so vulnerable to this nonsense.
And also why it is so dangerous. It could be argued that "conspiracy theory syndrome" was a key factor in some of America's military actions. Iraq is an indisputable example. But so is Korea, Vietnam and Cuba (Bay of Pigs fiasco).
There is a deeply embedded flaw in America's cultural character that generates and propagates these idiocies. We even witness them in these threads.
I am not an American, but I have a deeply embedded flaw in my character. ac_sothere
Quote from: Bricktop post_id=428191 time=1637810748 user_id=1560
I call bullshit.
This does not explain why the majority of "conspiracy theories" originate in the US...unless American brains are wired differently, which is a tempting supposition, but not reality practical.
The video ignores the cultural forces that generate and re-inforce conspiracy theories, and that is why America is so vulnerable to this nonsense.
And also why it is so dangerous. It could be argued that "conspiracy theory syndrome" was a key factor in some of America's military actions. Iraq is an indisputable example. But so is Korea, Vietnam and Cuba (Bay of Pigs fiasco).
There is a deeply embedded flaw in America's cultural character that generates and propagates these idiocies. We even witness them in these threads.
If we use this forum as a microcosm of the western world, Your post becomes very suspect because the majority of conspiracy nuts that show up here are not of the American persuasion.
Try again. We are all aware of your well documented anti- American bias.
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Quote from: Bricktop post_id=428191 time=1637810748 user_id=1560
I call bullshit.
This does not explain why the majority of "conspiracy theories" originate in the US...unless American brains are wired differently, which is a tempting supposition, but not reality practical.
The video ignores the cultural forces that generate and re-inforce conspiracy theories, and that is why America is so vulnerable to this nonsense.
And also why it is so dangerous. It could be argued that "conspiracy theory syndrome" was a key factor in some of America's military actions. Iraq is an indisputable example. But so is Korea, Vietnam and Cuba (Bay of Pigs fiasco).
There is a deeply embedded flaw in America's cultural character that generates and propagates these idiocies. We even witness them in these threads.
If we use this forum as a microcosm of the western world, Your post becomes very suspect because the majority of conspiracy nuts that show up here are not of the American persuasion.
Try again. We are all aware of your well documented anti- American bias.
ac_dunno
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unless American brains are wired differently, which is a tempting supposition
:laugh:
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Your post becomes very suspect because the majority of conspiracy nuts that show up here are not of the American persuasion.
Actually, those who came here are mostly from the US of Ay,WTF?
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unless American brains are wired differently, which is a tempting supposition
:laugh:
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Your post becomes very suspect because the majority of conspiracy nuts that show up here are not of the American persuasion.
Actually, those who came here are mostly from the US of Ay,WTF?
They stopped in Taiwan.
That's good
Here conspiracists have a free reign ... but never as it is now with their covid imaginations running wild
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That's good
Here conspiracists have a free reign ... but never as it is now with their covid imaginations running wild
Conspiracists are white.
Quote from: "Reptilian Shape Shifter" post_id=428432 time=1638031491
If we use this forum as a microcosm of the western world, Your post becomes very suspect because the majority of conspiracy nuts that show up here are not of the American persuasion.
Try again. We are all aware of your well documented anti- American bias.
So, where DO Blazor, DSM and Freud hail from? Please name a non-American conspiracy theorist in this group?
I do not have an "anti-American bias". It is a very firmly entrenched and oft articulated anti American standpoint, which, if you weren't well aware of it would suggest you suffer from some variation of a reading and comprehension disability.
I have made my point and there is no need to "try again". Dispute it, or don't. You or "we".
The world turns regardless.
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That's good
Here conspiracists have a free reign ... but never as it is now with their covid imaginations running wild
Conspiracists are white.
Oh, and Happy Saturday to you ac_smile
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Quote from: cc post_id=428440 time=1638050054 user_id=88
That's good
Here conspiracists have a free reign ... but never as it is now with their covid imaginations running wild
Conspiracists are white.
There are no greater conspiracy theorists than those in a Communist Party. Their entire belief system is based on the belief that capitalism is out to destroy them.
How many white countries are governed by Communists?
Where is the "gender is a social construct" conspiracy?
I think it should be in the red-zone.
Or the conspiracy where we are actually vegans.
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That's good
Here conspiracists have a free reign ... but never as it is now with their covid imaginations running wild
You're the biggest vaxhole on this site. Here, have some treats.....

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Quote from: cc post_id=428440 time=1638050054 user_id=88
That's good
Here conspiracists have a free reign ... but never as it is now with their covid imaginations running wild
You're the biggest vaxhole on this site. Here, have some treats.....

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I've been thinking about you..
It's nice to see to see you again.
ac_smile
Cheap Memes :roll:
Today's BC Update
Past week, cases per 100,000 population after adjusting for age (Nov. 23-29)
Not vaccinated: 180.6
Fully vaccinated: 22.6
~8/1
Past two weeks, cases hospitalized per 100,000 population after adjusting for age (Nov. 16-29)
Not vaccinated: 36.4
Fully vaccinated: 1.9
~20/1
Better dig deeper into those conspiracy sites for more scientific info ... err . . I mean Hokey Memes
I'll get you a shovel
I'm not disputing the need for vaccination...but these statistics, as stark as they appear...are utterly invalid.
Fully vaccinated people will be unaware they are carrying...or more likely, less enthusiastic about reporting themselves.
Thus, those numbers simply cannot be relied about to convey any sort of meaning. The more telling data comes from hospital admissions for Covid related disease for people with no pre-existing health conditions.
Ya, OK ac_smile
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I'm not disputing the need for vaccination...but these statistics, as stark as they appear...are utterly invalid.
Fully vaccinated people will be unaware they are carrying...or more likely, less enthusiastic about reporting themselves.
Thus, those numbers simply cannot be relied about to convey any sort of meaning. The more telling data comes from hospital admissions for Covid related disease for people with no pre-existing health conditions.
The gap between vaccinated and unvaccinated is even wider for hospital admissions.
But what does that mean! That is the important question. Citing numbers is just quoting mathematics. The real trick in using statistics is putting meaning to the numbers.
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But what does that mean! That is the important question. Citing numbers is just quoting mathematics. The real trick in using statistics is putting meaning to the numbers.
It means that vaccines offer protection from the worst of COVID.
And that, as far as I can tell, is ALL it means. And that is still a good thing.
But what it doesn't mean is that vaccines "stop the spread". I've seen no data that supports that assertion.
I'm not suggesting that people should not be vaccinated for their own safety and welfare. I've been vaccinated for that reason.
But today we are told that the EU President is advocating for MANDATORY vaccinations. This is unacceptable and an overreach of government authority.
If governments wish to go down that path, they MUST hold referendums.
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But what does that mean! That is the important question. Citing numbers is just quoting mathematics. The real trick in using statistics is putting meaning to the numbers.
It means that vaccines offer protection from the worst of COVID.
And Ceec's stats show some proof they protect people from getting the virus too.
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Cheap Memes :roll:
Today's BC Update
Past week, cases per 100,000 population after adjusting for age (Nov. 23-29)
Not vaccinated: 180.6
Fully vaccinated: 22.6
~8/1
Past two weeks, cases hospitalized per 100,000 population after adjusting for age (Nov. 16-29)
Not vaccinated: 36.4
Fully vaccinated: 1.9
~20/1
Better dig deeper into those conspiracy sites for more scientific info ... err . . I mean Hokey Memes
I'll get you a shovel
So you have 80 some percent vaxxed, how come the "not vaxxed" stat is so high, if so many of y'all vaxxed, hmmmm?
Cause unless you've seen this happening, you're just spouting numbers you read on a screen.
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But what does that mean! That is the important question. Citing numbers is just quoting mathematics. The real trick in using statistics is putting meaning to the numbers.

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I don't disagree.
But those stats are completely dependent on the sample population they were taken from, and it's pretty clear they're only collected from positive test data.
That is a biased sample, which means that conclusions drawn from it are reduced in reliability and certainty.
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That's good
Here conspiracists have a free reign ... but never as it is now with their covid imaginations running wild
You're the biggest vaxhole on this site. Here, have some treats.....

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I've been thinking about you..
It's nice to see to see you again.
ac_smile
That obvious huh? lol
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Quote from: Fashionista post_id=429033 time=1638413152 user_id=3254
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But what does that mean! That is the important question. Citing numbers is just quoting mathematics. The real trick in using statistics is putting meaning to the numbers.
It means that vaccines offer protection from the worst of COVID.
And Ceec's stats show some proof they protect people from getting the virus too.
Only memes count.
:laugh:
This one is for the vaxholes.....
It's the total of all known new reported BC cases over 1 week for cases & over 2 weeks for all hospitalized
Sample is from entire population over those time periods
But Fash is right - Only memes count.
But the operative word there is "reported" cases.
This is a biased sample.
To obtain a more empirical sample you must test a population that has no bias.
I'm not knocking the principle of being vaccinated. Do it. But the premise that being vaccinated stops the spread is not established by the data at hand.
y'ok
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But the operative word there is "reported" cases.
This is a biased sample.
To obtain a more empirical sample you must test a population that has no bias.
I'm not knocking the principle of being vaccinated. Do it. But the premise that being vaccinated stops the spread is not established by the data at hand.
It slows the spread among the vaccinated..
Most people in my province have been tested at least once..
The results indicate that those that test positive are much less likely to be vaccinated.
Just a crazy conspirator passing through. Dont bother reading if you're a vaxhole.......
A long lost of concidences....
1) 33-year-old professional dancer Santo Giuliano suffers a heart attack.
2) Soccer player Jalen Leavey dies.
3) Soccer player Tirrell Williams dies.
4) Soccer player Okafor Kelechi dies.
5) Soccer player Lee Moisés dies.
6) Footballer Stephen Sylvester dies.
7) Footballer Emmanual Antwi dies.
8) Soccer player Cayetano Nsofor dies.
9) Footballer Moira Claire Arney dies.
10) Baseball pitcher Andrew Roseman dies.
11) Footballer Nickolas Lawrinas dies.
12) Soccer player Miquel Lugo dies.
13) Soccer player Devon DuHart dies.
14) Footballer Ivan Hicks dies.
15) Footballer Joe Bradshaw dies.
16) Footballer Drake Geiger dies.
17) Soccer player Joshua Ivory dies.
18) Footballer Quandarius Wilbur dies.
19) Footballer Dimitri McKee dies.
20) Rugby player Dave Hyde dies.
21) Baseball player Yusuke Kinoshita dies.
22) Olympic cyclist Olivia Podmore dies.
23) Sprinter Cameron Burell dies.
24) Gilbert Kwemoi's Chinese Olympic champion dies.
25) Former footballer Franck Berrier dies.
26) Belgian footballer Jente Van Genechten suffers from cardiac arrest.
27) The Venezuelan marathon champion Alexaida Guedez dies.
28) José dos Reis, 29 years old, collapses in the field and has to be resurrected.
29) Diego Ferchaud suffers a cardiac arrest.
30) ASV Baden's Austrian player collapses on the field and has to be revived.
31) 16-year-old soccer player in Bergamo suffers cardiac arrest.
32) 27-year-old Belgian footballer Jens De Smet dies.
33) 13-year-old soccer player suffers a heart attack on the field.
34) Soccer player Dylan Rich dies.
35) Birati Club Münster player suffers cardiac arrest.
36) Abou Ali collapses with cardiac arrest.
37) Ice hockey player Sebastiaan Bos dies.
38) Former NFL pro Parys Haralson dies.
39) Soccer player Francis Perron dies.
40) 19-year-old FC Nantes soccer player suffers cardiac arrest.
41) Germany volleyball coach Traktor Divitz dies.
42) Shrewsbury forward Ryan Bowman treated with defibrillator during the game.
43) Goalkeeper Lukas Bommer dies.
44) Professional footballer Fellipe de Jesus Moreira suffers a double heart attack.
45) Cycling champion Gianni dies.
46) English Helen Byrne with heart problems has to be removed from the field at the World Cup.
47) Germany's team leader Dietmar Gladow dies.
48) German goalkeeper Bruno Stein dies at the age of 15.
49) USA 14-year-old soccer player Ava Azzopardi collapses into a coma.
50) 12-year-old Jayson Kidd dies after collapsing during basketball practice in the US.
51) Robert Lima dies of a heart attack in Uruguay and a few hours later his wife dies.
52) Bodybuilder George Peterson dies.
53) The former champion of Kick Boxing Acero Cali dies.
54) Mr. Olympia Shawn Rhoden dies.
55) Italian footballer Giuseppe Perrino dies on the field
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I'm not knocking the principle of being vaccinated. Do it. But the premise that being vaccinated stops the spread is not established by the data at hand.
You keep using the word "stops" which I find disingenuous in its application. For the umpteenth time the premise was never to "stop", rather it was to "reduce" .. obviously better than doing nothing
I won't go into "improving one's odds" yet again as that keeps getting ignored .. or something :confused1:
We are not in disagreement. Vaccinated people are less likely to transmit the disease, primarily because the period during which they are infectious is shorter than for the unvaccinated.
Nonetheless, they can carry and transmit the disease.
Now, in the overall context of where you and I differ, nothing in any data indicates that the disease will be eradicated. As we know, new variants are appearing and will continue to do so. And they will ALL possess different characterisitics and traits. Vaccination is not a cure, and there may never be one.
Thus, our disagreement is on the social cost of heavy handed and ineffective government mandates that breach our basic human rights. Compulsory vaccinations. Domestic passports. We will, in a very real sense, have to be registered and innoculated like dogs.
People are going to die, especially those that have made a choice about being vaccinated. Just like those who use narcotics. The same as those who choose to smoke. Just like those who engage in sports where death is possible.
We make choices because that is our RIGHT. Taking that away from us increases government power and control that may well never be lifted.
And they do NOT have that right.
We do not disagree on this much:
I'm of the opinion this likely will never go away, just as flu despite many vaccinations has not gone away
I think the best we can do is reduce the possibility of catching it and decreasing symptoms, just as for flu
My biggest fear is more viruses by accident or as a weapon by design (thinking mainly of China here)
I also agree that we cannot know exact % of infections (vaxxed vs unvaxxed) as some weak cases likely do not report (Note. That applies to all)
- However, Hospitalizations we already have the data (that's easy stuff) thus do know ... and ratio is very large .
Same for ICUs where ratio is even double that .. and similarly we have the data
(Am I disgusted with those who fill hospitals so that others cannot get potentially life-saving operations because the selfish unwashed are filling beds in both areas of Hospitals - You bet I am!!
and you cannot take away my right to be beyond discussed with those selfish twatwhaffles causing this)
Oh, I know, "principles" make that OK
We will never agree on my right to decrease my risk substantially by going to bars & restaurants etc. free from the unwashed.
I see you never allowing me to do that if the decision was yours .. rather you would take away that right from me (and most others - approx. 92% of the people in my area .. all the time feeling all justified in doing so)
However, your opinion on that is of no matter. Decision is not yours.
I can, .... do .... and will continue to do so
Do I feel a bit sad for the unwashed who cannot? No .. not one bit .... perhaps if they stopped preventing many important operations, I'd feel a tad sad for them .. maybe .. so long as they stay the fk out of my bar / restaurant :wink: