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General Discussion => The Flea Trap => Topic started by: Frood on November 26, 2021, 01:11:11 AM

Title: Digital Passports aren't designed for health....
Post by: Frood on November 26, 2021, 01:11:11 AM
https://www.bitchute.com/video/i1O4sQ1PPpEK/
Title: Re: Digital Passports aren't designed for health....
Post by: Frood on November 26, 2021, 01:13:39 AM
Watch, don't watch.... I don't give a shit.



Unless your Stockholm Syndromes cause this thread to be Kamikaze Chicken Bumhole attacked because the butthurt is real...
Title: Re: Digital Passports aren't designed for health....
Post by: Anonymous on November 26, 2021, 01:34:54 AM
A long Bitchute vid? :negative:
Title: Re: Digital Passports aren't designed for health....
Post by: Frood on November 26, 2021, 01:45:24 AM
It's interesting though...
Title: Re: Digital Passports aren't designed for health....
Post by: Bricktop on November 26, 2021, 02:14:15 AM
Sense and sensationalism...but the premise is right.



Vaccine passports are a crime against humanity.
Title: Re: Digital Passports aren't designed for health....
Post by: Anonymous on November 26, 2021, 09:17:54 AM
Quote from: Bricktop post_id=428339 time=1637910855 user_id=1560
Sense and sensationalism...but the premise is right.



Vaccine passports are a crime against humanity.

Our case loads are staying low since we implemented a vaccine exemption program..



But, I know some people who are not anti vaxxers oppose vaccine mandates.
Title: Re: Digital Passports aren't designed for health....
Post by: Anonymous on November 26, 2021, 10:04:23 AM
Quote from: Fashionista post_id=428345 time=1637936274 user_id=3254
Quote from: Bricktop post_id=428339 time=1637910855 user_id=1560
Sense and sensationalism...but the premise is right.



Vaccine passports are a crime against humanity.

Our case loads are staying low since we implemented a vaccine exemption program..



But, I know some people who are not anti vaxxers oppose vaccine mandates.

I oppose vaccine passports and mandates.
Title: Re: Digital Passports aren't designed for health....
Post by: Anonymous on November 26, 2021, 11:06:34 AM
Vaccine passports and mandates save lives.
Title: Re: Digital Passports aren't designed for health....
Post by: cc on November 26, 2021, 11:50:34 AM
Quote from: seoulbro post_id=428348 time=1637939063 user_id=114
I oppose vaccine passports and mandates.


It's a pretty lame society where people are allowed to injure or even kill innocents



Many of us got "some" of our lives back thanks to stopping these selfish twats from infiltrating some places



The responsible have rights





And speaking of "a crime against humanity" drama queening hyperbole ...  knowingly allowing people to potentially injure innocent others actually is just that



A "just" society protects the innocent   .. period!! ... no different than we have cops to protect the innocent from those who would harm them  ... otherwise we are no better than the "hokey wokeys" who do advocate and allow exactly that (the rights of those who would harm superseding the  rights of those they will harm)



Are some here "selectively woke" on some pet issues? :sneaky2: .. Sure looks that way
Title: Re: Digital Passports aren't designed for health....
Post by: cc on November 26, 2021, 12:34:58 PM
As to OP



"Digital Passports are designed for health" .... and are succeeding very well at doing so .. allowing there is no perfection here



If you wish to be selfish  and harm others, that's on you ... but nothing can make your cause justifiable .. rather makes it only selfish



Trample on your selfish rights? .. bullshit.  

You folk use that hokey selfish line to trample on the rights of most other people who are trying  to keep safe..

 Shame on you selfish twatwhaffles!!.



If you actually cared about the rights of others (which you do not) .. you'd Suck it up and get real / try to become REAL human beings
Title: Re: Digital Passports aren't designed for health....
Post by: Anonymous on November 26, 2021, 03:00:37 PM
Quote from: "iron horse jockey" post_id=428354 time=1637942794 user_id=2015
Vaccine passports and mandates save lives.

There is evidence to support that IHJ.
Title: Re: Digital Passports aren't designed for health....
Post by: Frood on November 26, 2021, 04:54:57 PM
:001_rolleyes:



Great.... another thread chicken shitted up by the authoritarian jab junkies...



Fine, it's all yours, chicken littles...
Title: Re: Digital Passports aren't designed for health....
Post by: Bricktop on November 26, 2021, 05:03:30 PM
Quote from: cc post_id=428361 time=1637945434 user_id=88


And speaking of "a crime against humanity" drama queening hyperbole ...  knowingly allowing people to potentially injure innocent others actually is just that


First and foremost, how do passports save lives.



Second and most importantly, it is a cornerstone of western democracy that we live free from government tyranny. Harsh and divisive programs such as "passports" are tyrannical, regardless of their noble intent.



Members here moan and groan about how divided society has become, and then pour accolades on another government impost that will create yet another fracture.



Want to catch a train? Papers, please.



Want to eat in a restaurant? Papers, please.



Want to enter a hospital to visit your terminally ill grandmother? Papers, please.



Is this REALLY the world you want to live in?



Restricting and removing our personal liberties IS a crime against humanity.
Title: Re: Digital Passports aren't designed for health....
Post by: cc on November 26, 2021, 05:24:34 PM
Quote from: Bricktop post_id=428381 time=1637964210 user_id=1560
Quote from: cc post_id=428361 time=1637945434 user_id=88


And speaking of "a crime against humanity" drama queening hyperbole ...  knowingly allowing people to potentially injure innocent others actually is just that

First and foremost, how do passports save lives.


It's actually pretty simple math and straightforward



There is quite a spread in infections of those of both categories .. like 10+ / 1 at the moment most everywhere



The less infected people inside with one, the less chance of infection



Oh, and I have the right to reduce the odds as much as possible - No one has the ethical right to greatly  increase the odds of illness for other people



PERIOD!!


Quote from: Bricktop post_id=428381 time=1637964210 user_id=1560
Restricting and removing our personal liberties IS a crime against humanity.

You have it bassackwars



Restricting and removing my personal liberty by restricting my choices  to be smart and to not  into  a much more dangerous environment made so by [size=120]selfish[/size] bastards IS a crime against me and most of humanity.



In what world should less than 10% dictate the choices for 90% of the people ?



They may think they are "special cases" .. they are  ... they are lowlife selfish bastards limiting the rights of most others



And the irresponsible are crying because they cannot dictate / infringe upon  the lives of others  .. well boo fking hoo
Title: Re: Digital Passports aren't designed for health....
Post by: Anonymous on November 26, 2021, 05:25:55 PM
Quote from: "Dinky Dazza" post_id=428379 time=1637963697 user_id=1676
:001_rolleyes:



Great.... another thread chicken shitted up by the authoritarian jab junkies...



Fine, it's all yours, chicken littles...

Fash means well.
Title: Re: Digital Passports aren't designed for health....
Post by: Bricktop on November 26, 2021, 05:51:05 PM
Quote from: cc post_id=428389 time=1637965474 user_id=88
Quote from: Bricktop post_id=428381 time=1637964210 user_id=1560
Quote from: cc post_id=428361 time=1637945434 user_id=88


And speaking of "a crime against humanity" drama queening hyperbole ...  knowingly allowing people to potentially injure innocent others actually is just that

First and foremost, how do passports save lives.


It's actually pretty simple math and straightforward



There is quite a spread in infections of those of both categories .. like 10+ / 1 at the moment most everywhere



The less infected people inside with one, the less chance of infection



Oh, and I have the right to reduce the odds as much as possible - No one has the ethical right to increase the odds for other people



PERIOD!!


Quote from: Bricktop post_id=428381 time=1637964210 user_id=1560
Restricting and removing our personal liberties IS a crime against humanity.

You have it bassackwars



Restricting and removing my personal liberty by making me choose to not go in some places / into  a much more dangerous environment made so by [size=120]selfish[/size] bastards IS a crime against me and most of humanity.


But wait...aren't you immunised?



And please, correct me if I'm wrong...but the fact that I possess a passport does not exclude me from carrying Covid, does it?



Applying dictatorial constraints on our society will have an impact on us long after Covid becomes a historical footnote.



Have you considered the bureacracy, governance, global co-ordination between ALL governments, impost and COST that a legally authorised and acceptable passport will impose?



I'm travelling to England. I have my Australian certificate. But that is not accepted in the UK in the form provided. It must be legally authorised by the Australian government. I'd like to visit the Tower Of London. Nope. Madame Tussauds. Nope. The London Eye. Nope.



I'll need a British certificate. How do I get one?? What will it cost??



These bureacratic mechanisms sound easy enough until you consider the cost versus benefit. It doesn't stack up.



Just get vaccinated. If you choose not to and go to the movies, whatever happens is on you.
Title: Re: Digital Passports aren't designed for health....
Post by: cc on November 26, 2021, 05:56:16 PM
QuoteBut wait...aren't you immunised?


Don't try that lame conspiracist's favorite hokey line on me - No one is "fully" immunized  from infection



 You know that, yet still play the silly  game .... that's a go-to distortion for the selfish conspiracists who would like to curtail my and most others liberties - they try it all the time & have the gall  to use "liberty" as their excuse



Well, guess what. They are not succeeding most everywhere in the world .. as their deliberately selfish "liberty for me only" line falls flat on its ass



It's grade 2 math ffs!!!! I should not have to spell that out for you .. or are you just playing devil's advocate here?
Title: Re: Digital Passports aren't designed for health....
Post by: Bricktop on November 26, 2021, 06:53:04 PM
If no-one is fully immunised from infection, WHAT IS THE POINT AND PURPOSE OF A PASSPORT???



What IS a passport?



It is, by definition, a mechanism of control. It controls who can enter sovereign nations. In some countries, it controls where you can travel to in your own country.



Why do nations insist on passports? Because they want to manage and control who enters their nation and who is not permitted to enter.



Why you infer that this is "conspiracy theory" beggars belief. It is a simple rejection of additional government orchestrated controls over our lives for very little point of purpose. I am not Freud, or Scouse and I don't join conspiracy debates. It is my personal view that a passport based on protection from a disease is not in our long term interest.



And rather than dismiss my comment that your are immunised as hokey, kindly address the point.



If you are immunised, are you not safe from the life threatening elements of the illness? If so, how is me presenting a passport at a restaurant before being permitted entry going to make you safer.
Title: Re: Digital Passports aren't designed for health....
Post by: cc on November 26, 2021, 07:18:05 PM
QuoteAnd rather than dismiss my comment that your are immunised as hokey, kindly address the point.

Sorry. Thot I did. What I tried to say was that no one can be sure they are immune .. that's common knowledge  .. which is used in failed hokie attempts to discredit vaccines by conspiracists is what I was getting at  .. "Oh, they are not perfect" .... Well no shit  & So what?


QuoteIf you are immunised, are you not safe from the life threatening elements of the illness? If so, how is me presenting a passport at a restaurant before being permitted entry going to make you safer.

No one can be sure they are immune. You mention death - well listen up ... no smart person wants to get potentially very sick +

the risk of death is still there, just lessened



As I said 2x already - it's a matter of odds .. . Grade 2 math. The fewer likely to be contagious in a building, the fewer chances of getting caught. You know that  and I find it embarrassing to have to say it



Again, it's my and 90% of the population's right to lessen odds appreciably and to not be around unvaxxed who are at much higher odds (there I go again with "odds) of being carriers

If I wish to be away from higher odds carriers, in fact I and most wish to keep odds of getting caught to a minimum .. that's my right & the right of all people. Would you like to take away that right from us ? Well, you won't and in fact can't.



You are vaxxed for a reason so I don't know what you are up to  ... I think you are playing here  .., a word game ... and I'm finding myself stating the obvious unnecessarily  ..... so will leave you to it .. and will continue to exert my right to stay away from the selfish unvaxxed as much as possible
Title: Re: Digital Passports aren't designed for health....
Post by: Bricktop on November 26, 2021, 09:29:46 PM
I'm sorry, but I have so far seen no reasoned argument in support of another impost on our freedom of movement.
Title: Re: Digital Passports aren't designed for health....
Post by: Berry Sweet on November 26, 2021, 09:44:00 PM
I'm vaxxed...by choice.  I oppose vaccine passports and mandates.  If someone doesn't want to be vaxxed, it doesn't bother me (as long as they are NOT crazy vocal about it)...just live your life without being mad about everything.



I recently saw on the news that some place in Alberta will only rent to the vaxxed.  That is just super wrong.
Title: Re: Digital Passports aren't designed for health....
Post by: Bricktop on November 26, 2021, 09:48:06 PM
Like I said, this discrimination is an assault on human rights.
Title: Re: Digital Passports aren't designed for health....
Post by: cc on November 26, 2021, 09:54:13 PM
Like I said, forcing people who don't want to get very sick (nor to infect others) to be with people with a good chance to infect them  is an assault on their human rights



Bad they have to share grocery stores with the selfish prks .. They should NOT have to



I'm not telling them to get vaxxxed - I'm telling them to keep to their own but they want it all



Screw the selfish prks with a ....... let me think on that a bit .. too many  dire things come to mind to settle on one  ac_smile
Title: Re: Digital Passports aren't designed for health....
Post by: Bricktop on November 26, 2021, 11:21:02 PM
Your argument collapses when you factor in the reality of the virus. You aren't "immune" to it. You can still contract it and NOT be aware you have it.



Unless you're in the high risk group, like me, then the mathematics you espouse tells us you are highly unlikely to become seriously or critically ill.



If you are vaxxed then it does not matter if the person next to you in the restaurant has Covid. In fact, it could be argued that the current vaccination is as dangerous as no vaccination, because if you are vaccinated you can be a carrier without your knowledge. No symptoms.



However, as you know, I support vaccinations for those who choose to receive them. In recent times the hysteria has masked the truth...and that is that very few people who contract the virus actually die. The large proportion of the population are safe. Only the elderly and those with pre-existing conditions are at risk.



The notion of a passport, with all the complications I've cited and you haven't addressed, does not seem to be worth the effort. On the other hand, the loss of liberty and further intrusion on our right to free movement is another step down the slippery slope.
Title: Re: Digital Passports aren't designed for health....
Post by: Odinson on November 26, 2021, 11:35:42 PM
After you have been vaccinated, you need to continue to wear the mask and social distance.



This thing doesnt seem to eradicate the virus.



It will keep on spreading and it will still be here once the vaccination wears off.





Does it die in the carriers body?
Title: Re: Digital Passports aren't designed for health....
Post by: cc on November 26, 2021, 11:43:20 PM
QuoteYour argument collapses when you factor in the reality of the virus. You aren't "immune" to it. You can still contract it and NOT be aware you have it.

It absolutely does not collapse - and yes, I've already addressed that hokey line 3 bloody times



For the 3rd time. This whole covid mess is all about odds



Must I take you back to 3 previous posts that covid is all about Grade 2 level "odds" , ... again?



You cling to that hokey very line (3rd time) of antivaxxers .. and prove nothing with it .. absolutely nothing



Antivaxxers best honor my human rights to limit and / or choose my odds period



It's not an argument anyhow .. Antivaxxers can't get into a bar for example most anywhere in the world now and won't till this settles down a GREAT deal

 :deadhorse:



If you want to argue with antivaxxer lines, then get the stuff sucked out of you & join the selfish prks
Title: Re: Digital Passports aren't designed for health....
Post by: Bricktop on November 27, 2021, 12:41:29 AM
Quote from: cc post_id=428421 time=1637988200 user_id=88




For the 3rd time. This whole covid mess is all about odds




On that, we agree.



So, how does the implementation of passport affect those odds?



That is the question raised in this thread. It's not about the vaccination per se. On that issue we are in accord.



The issue in THIS thread is Covid passports. I reject the concept.
Title: Re: Digital Passports aren't designed for health....
Post by: Frood on November 27, 2021, 01:09:31 AM
https://youtu.be/QxjPZKsuMwg



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Title: Re: Digital Passports aren't designed for health....
Post by: Frood on November 27, 2021, 01:23:58 AM
https://youtu.be/BTJsENk7CoY



https://youtu.be/iByyYEdAfkg



https://youtu.be/MuJlunnkv7E
Title: Re: Digital Passports aren't designed for health....
Post by: Frood on November 27, 2021, 04:38:21 AM
https://www.bitchute.com/video/bfCMaC4LBlvE/



https://www.bitchute.com/video/4fMFfVTDMRwj/





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Title: Re: Digital Passports aren't designed for health....
Post by: Frood on November 27, 2021, 04:50:05 AM
Gold Coast Rally...



https://www.bitchute.com/video/qM7Df87Dw5Et/
Title: Re: Digital Passports aren't designed for health....
Post by: Frood on November 27, 2021, 06:21:05 AM
Lots of flyers...



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Lots of gifts, like this:



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After we signed a petition to rid our entire nation of the CCP...



Ok, the Falun Gong is a bit esoteric for me, despite us respecting Buddhist principles.... in principle.... but we can all agree that the CCP are a pack of murderous cocksuckers.



(Hi, Shen!  ac_beating )



Daughter also received a huge grab bag care pack wrapped in pink tissue paper from a lady handing them out to younger children which the small note said "I know adult stuff is tough sometimes, but thank you for being here"...



If we could of seen the note at the time, we'd have to give the package back because our kid was the first in the car when we said we were going to protest (as she calls him) Dictator Rat....
Title: Re: Digital Passports aren't designed for health....
Post by: cc on November 27, 2021, 01:34:02 PM
Well off to brunch  .. thankfully void of conspiracists who are shot dead at the door
Title: Re: Digital Passports aren't designed for health....
Post by: Anonymous on November 27, 2021, 01:44:33 PM
Vaccine passports are separating me from some of my best friends both here and in real life.
Title: Re: Digital Passports aren't designed for health....
Post by: cc on November 27, 2021, 05:01:56 PM
If any of my friends went the conspiracy crackpot route, my respect for them would crater
Title: Re: Digital Passports aren't designed for health....
Post by: Bricktop on November 27, 2021, 05:56:56 PM
I don't see a discussion in this thread about a conspiracy theory. Western governments are discussing the implementation of internal domestic passports that deny access to a wide variety of services, facilities and government agencies based on the administration of a drug.



Here in Australia, doctors and hospitals are already demanding proof of vaccination before a patient will be seen.



During a visit to a doctor last week, whose rooms happened to be attached to a hospital, I stopped at the entry checkpoint to scan in and show my certificate. An older man in front of me was in distress because he did not know how he could produce a certificate he did not have, although he insisted he had been vaccinated. The "certificates" are issued digitally and he did not know how he could use his mobile phone to prove he had been vaxxed. He was being denied access to his doctor until such time as he could prove immunisation. He was in a state of mild panic as staff attempted to assist him.



This, in my view, is both wrong socially and morally. Being turned away from medical support because you may be sick is, I maintain, a denial of human rights.



We are told masks are effective. We are told that the vaccine will protect us.



Why, then, do we need a medical passport?
Title: Re: Digital Passports aren't designed for health....
Post by: Frood on November 27, 2021, 10:47:17 PM
Quote from: Fashionista post_id=428439 time=1638038673 user_id=3254
Vaccine passports are separating me from some of my best friends both here and in real life.


Apartheid will do that...
Title: Re: Digital Passports aren't designed for health....
Post by: Frood on November 27, 2021, 10:51:10 PM
Quote from: cc post_id=428436 time=1638038042 user_id=88
Well off to brunch  .. thankfully void of conspiracists who are shot dead at the door


I hope you got Salmonella poisoning....
Title: Re: Digital Passports aren't designed for health....
Post by: Frood on November 28, 2021, 01:29:43 AM
Austria



https://www.bitchute.com/video/0nBkmbeT94dZ/



Ireland



https://www.bitchute.com/video/ekESJvBWbdMs/



Spain



https://www.bitchute.com/video/oLlFjsqxzjZ7/



Mexico



https://www.bitchute.com/video/Z5CU0YY1YQFf/



France



https://www.bitchute.com/video/SmBzFOSW3n7V/



Germany



https://www.bitchute.com/video/7x4FxWvDNUzL/



Italy



https://www.bitchute.com/video/e3FHU32lSgty/



Croatia



https://www.bitchute.com/video/YCFC44mTYGB7/
Title: Re: Digital Passports aren't designed for health....
Post by: Anonymous on November 28, 2021, 11:43:26 AM
There are ten million job vacancies in the US. Biden wants to fire people who have gone to work everyday since the pandemic started.
Title: Re: Digital Passports aren't designed for health....
Post by: cc on November 28, 2021, 01:35:55 PM
Quote from: "Dinky Dazza" post_id=428461 time=1638071470 user_id=1676
Quote from: cc post_id=428436 time=1638038042 user_id=88
Well off to brunch  .. thankfully void of conspiracists who are shot dead at the door


I hope you got Salmonella poisoning....

Well, back home now. Only 2 anti-vaxxers trying to sneak  in the door shot today .. was a very relaxed time
Title: Re: Digital Passports aren't designed for health....
Post by: Anonymous on November 28, 2021, 01:41:03 PM
Quote from: Bricktop post_id=428453 time=1638053816 user_id=1560
I don't see a discussion in this thread about a conspiracy theory. Western governments are discussing the implementation of internal domestic passports that deny access to a wide variety of services, facilities and government agencies based on the administration of a drug.



Here in Australia, doctors and hospitals are already demanding proof of vaccination before a patient will be seen.



During a visit to a doctor last week, whose rooms happened to be attached to a hospital, I stopped at the entry checkpoint to scan in and show my certificate. An older man in front of me was in distress because he did not know how he could produce a certificate he did not have, although he insisted he had been vaccinated. The "certificates" are issued digitally and he did not know how he could use his mobile phone to prove he had been vaxxed. He was being denied access to his doctor until such time as he could prove immunisation. He was in a state of mild panic as staff attempted to assist him.



This, in my view, is both wrong socially and morally. Being turned away from medical support because you may be sick is, I maintain, a denial of human rights.



We are told masks are effective. We are told that the vaccine will protect us.



Why, then, do we need a medical passport?

Doctors refusing to see patients who are unvaxxed?
Title: Re: Digital Passports aren't designed for health....
Post by: Frood on November 28, 2021, 02:54:10 PM
They should lose their medical licences.
Title: Re: Digital Passports aren't designed for health....
Post by: Anonymous on November 28, 2021, 03:01:05 PM
Quote from: Herman post_id=428480 time=1638124863 user_id=1689
Quote from: Bricktop post_id=428453 time=1638053816 user_id=1560
I don't see a discussion in this thread about a conspiracy theory. Western governments are discussing the implementation of internal domestic passports that deny access to a wide variety of services, facilities and government agencies based on the administration of a drug.



Here in Australia, doctors and hospitals are already demanding proof of vaccination before a patient will be seen.



During a visit to a doctor last week, whose rooms happened to be attached to a hospital, I stopped at the entry checkpoint to scan in and show my certificate. An older man in front of me was in distress because he did not know how he could produce a certificate he did not have, although he insisted he had been vaccinated. The "certificates" are issued digitally and he did not know how he could use his mobile phone to prove he had been vaxxed. He was being denied access to his doctor until such time as he could prove immunisation. He was in a state of mild panic as staff attempted to assist him.



This, in my view, is both wrong socially and morally. Being turned away from medical support because you may be sick is, I maintain, a denial of human rights.



We are told masks are effective. We are told that the vaccine will protect us.



Why, then, do we need a medical passport?

Doctors refusing to see patients who are unvaxxed?

 ac_umm
Title: Re: Digital Passports aren't designed for health....
Post by: Bricktop on November 28, 2021, 05:07:32 PM
Quote from: Herman post_id=428480 time=1638124863 user_id=1689


Doctors refusing to see patients who are unvaxxed?


//https://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/958434



This is happening in Australia and the UK as well.



"I'd like to see the Doctor, please"



"What's the problem?"



"I fell over in the garden and I think I've broken my arm."



"Have you been vaxxed?"



"No."



"Fuck off, then."
Title: Re: Digital Passports aren't designed for health....
Post by: Anonymous on November 28, 2021, 05:18:03 PM
Quote from: Bricktop post_id=428535 time=1638137252 user_id=1560
Quote from: Herman post_id=428480 time=1638124863 user_id=1689


Doctors refusing to see patients who are unvaxxed?


//https://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/958434



This is happening in Australia and the UK as well.



"I'd like to see the Doctor, please"



"What's the problem?"



"I fell over in the garden and I think I've broken my arm."



"Have you been vaxxed?"



"No."



"Fuck off, then."

That is wrong period.
Title: Re: Digital Passports aren't designed for health....
Post by: cc on November 28, 2021, 05:23:28 PM
Quote from: Bricktop post_id=428453 time=1638053816 user_id=1560
I don't see a discussion in this thread about a conspiracy theory. Western governments are discussing the implementation of internal domestic passports that deny access to a wide variety of services, facilities and government agencies based on the administration of a drug.



Here in Australia, doctors and hospitals are already demanding proof of vaccination before a patient will be seen.



During a visit to a doctor last week, whose rooms happened to be attached to a hospital, I stopped at the entry checkpoint to scan in and show my certificate. An older man in front of me was in distress because he did not know how he could produce a certificate he did not have, although he insisted he had been vaccinated. The "certificates" are issued digitally and he did not know how he could use his mobile phone to prove he had been vaxxed. He was being denied access to his doctor until such time as he could prove immunisation. He was in a state of mild panic as staff attempted to assist him.



......,,,,


1. I don't see a link to a reliable source



2. WAIT!!! ..  WAIT!!!  ... I don't see ANY link



3. Then, it is OZ, sigh



4. Oh, it was you saying this to support your position .... mmmmok



5.  Then, it is OZ, sigh
Title: Re: Digital Passports aren't designed for health....
Post by: Bricktop on November 28, 2021, 05:37:22 PM
Ceec...with respect.



Although I rarely align with Freud, I refer you back to the videos he's posted showing street demonstrations all over the world. I've included a link to an American doctor who says turning people away who aren't vaxxed (Read: can't show a vaccine passport) is OK.



What links do you need?



Are you denying that proposals for vaccination passports aren't real?



Here's a link to the Australian Human Rights Commission discussing the morality of vaccine passports.//https://humanrights.gov.au/our-work/rights-and-freedoms/human-rights-considerations-vaccine-passports



And I quote; "Vaccine passports may have significant implications for privacy and autonomy, freedom of movement and association, equity and discrimination, particularly when it comes to accessing everyday goods and services."



Do you believe that these bureacracies would be discussing the principles of passports if governments weren't well down the path of implementation?



Remember, we are discussing the issue of passports, not the vaccination itself. I am vaxxed! I support vaccination!
Title: Re: Digital Passports aren't designed for health....
Post by: cc on November 28, 2021, 06:03:29 PM
I was simply questioning the single item of refusal of health care when needed ... no more, no less
Title: Re: Digital Passports aren't designed for health....
Post by: Anonymous on November 28, 2021, 06:28:12 PM
Are a significant number of Australian doctors refusing to see patients who are unvaxxed?
Title: Re: Digital Passports aren't designed for health....
Post by: cc on November 28, 2021, 06:41:13 PM
Quote from: Herman post_id=428563 time=1638142092 user_id=1689
Are a significant number of Australian doctors refusing to see patients who are unvaxxed?

I think we need actual believable proof on this one  - Simply stating examples and / or questionable sources only dilute the message



If it is happening (and I'm not saying it is not) I'm sure creditable news sources would be on it like tigers



IF it is happening, that would be an abomination - and Front Page Material .. so let's see it
Title: Re: Digital Passports aren't designed for health....
Post by: Bricktop on November 28, 2021, 08:23:46 PM
There are examples everywhere.



Here's one in the US.

//https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/if-covid-vaccine-refusers-are-turned-away-hospitals-doctor-offices-ncna1277475



The report of the doctor here in South Australia turning away unvaxxed is behind a paywall unfortunately.



This is the headline. "A rural GP will largely ban unvaccinated patients from visiting its clinic in a move the Australian Medical Association says many doctors are considering. Micaela Stark and Brad Crouch 2 min read"



Want to go shopping in Frankfurt? Not if you haven't been jabbed (Read; You can't present a vaccination passport).



//https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10099163/Supermarkets-REFUSE-service-unvaccinated-customers-Frankfurt.html



C'mon cc...a two minute search will bring up examples from all over the world citing agencies, service providers, retailers AND doctors who turn away people who cannot prove they've been vaxxed. The only way you can possibly prove you've been vaxxed is with a properly authorised, government approved form of evidence. A "passport" if you will.



I think you're very much in the minority on this question, as Freud's video compilation indicates.
Title: Re: Digital Passports aren't designed for health....
Post by: Anonymous on November 28, 2021, 08:30:43 PM
Doctors refusing to see patients who aint vaccinated should be illegal.
Title: Re: Digital Passports aren't designed for health....
Post by: cc on November 28, 2021, 08:39:56 PM
You are slithering around the point, Brick. I ask for proof of A & you give blabberings about B, C, D etc .. conveniently omitting A


Quote from: cc post_id=428559 time=1638140609 user_id=88
I was simply questioning the single item of refusal of health care when needed ... no more, no less

I see no such cases in your entire post .. just a bunch of grumbling  .. but far from "refusal of health care when needed"




Quoteinformed his patients this month that, effective Oct. 1, he would no longer treat those who hadn't been vaccinated against Covid-19

Not what I was asking for based on your previous statement of "refusal when needed".

 He's giving them time to consider  alternatives  .. his right!!!  .. and evades my inquiry



It's not just the unvaxxed who have rights - We all have rights including Docs (so long as someone is not in dire need + NO other alternative for which you offer no proof).



Further, while I defend his right to treat who he wishes, there are few Docs who would refuse 1. if dire need + 2. if there was no alternative ... which was the only original claim I asked for backup
Title: Re: Digital Passports aren't designed for health....
Post by: Bricktop on November 28, 2021, 09:08:51 PM
Quote from: cc post_id=428605 time=1638149996 user_id=88


I see no such cases in your entire post .. just a bunch of grumbling  .. but far from "refusal of health care when needed"


Did you even review the links I supplied?



"Dr. Jason Valentine, a family medicine physician at the Diagnostic and Medical Clinic Infirmary Health in Mobile, Alabama, informed his patients this month that, effective Oct. 1, he would no longer treat those who hadn't been vaccinated against Covid-19. Around the same time, a leaked memo indicated that the North Texas Mass Critical Care Guideline Task Force was considering whether to take Covid vaccination status into account in deciding who gets ICU beds when more of them are needed than are available."



If you need assistance in comprehending the above quote, let me know.



Service withdrawn, unless vaxxed. Go somewhere else.
Title: Re: Digital Passports aren't designed for health....
Post by: Frood on November 28, 2021, 09:09:33 PM
Far be it for me either to agree with Brick on much of anything, but he understood the theme of this thread and behaved accordingly.
Title: Re: Digital Passports aren't designed for health....
Post by: Gaon on November 28, 2021, 09:13:46 PM
Quote from: Bricktop post_id=428613 time=1638151731 user_id=1560
Quote from: cc post_id=428605 time=1638149996 user_id=88


I see no such cases in your entire post .. just a bunch of grumbling  .. but far from "refusal of health care when needed"


Did you even review the links I supplied?



"Dr. Jason Valentine, a family medicine physician at the Diagnostic and Medical Clinic Infirmary Health in Mobile, Alabama, informed his patients this month that, effective Oct. 1, he would no longer treat those who hadn't been vaccinated against Covid-19. Around the same time, a leaked memo indicated that the North Texas Mass Critical Care Guideline Task Force was considering whether to take Covid vaccination status into account in deciding who gets ICU beds when more of them are needed than are available."



If you need assistance in comprehending the above quote, let me know.



Service withdrawn, unless vaxxed. Go somewhere else.

I don't understand why a vaccinated doctor would refuse to see unvaccinated patients.
Title: Re: Digital Passports aren't designed for health....
Post by: Frood on November 28, 2021, 09:15:38 PM
Belgium



https://www.bitchute.com/video/kG0mnvVxn3Kz/



Jabbed and unjabbed together protesting mandates and passports....
Title: Re: Digital Passports aren't designed for health....
Post by: Frood on November 28, 2021, 09:21:10 PM
https://www.bitchute.com/video/VwxyDgZfcVhd/
Title: Re: Digital Passports aren't designed for health....
Post by: Bricktop on November 28, 2021, 10:03:12 PM
Quote from: "Dinky Dazza" post_id=428614 time=1638151773 user_id=1676
Far be it for me either to agree with Brick on much of anything, but he understood the theme of this thread and behaved accordingly.


Is that why I feel so dirty??



 ac_biggrin
Title: Re: Digital Passports aren't designed for health....
Post by: Frood on November 28, 2021, 10:17:55 PM
Quote from: Bricktop post_id=428620 time=1638154992 user_id=1560
Quote from: "Dinky Dazza" post_id=428614 time=1638151773 user_id=1676
Far be it for me either to agree with Brick on much of anything, but he understood the theme of this thread and behaved accordingly.


Is that why I feel so dirty??



 ac_biggrin


We should both shower....separately.  :laugh:
Title: Re: Digital Passports aren't designed for health....
Post by: Bricktop on November 28, 2021, 11:03:00 PM
Yeah. In separate States.
Title: Re: Digital Passports aren't designed for health....
Post by: Frood on November 29, 2021, 12:07:01 AM
It's a start....
Title: Re: Digital Passports aren't designed for health....
Post by: cc on November 29, 2021, 01:41:29 AM
Quote from: "Brick""Dr. Jason Valentine, a family medicine physician at the Diagnostic and Medical Clinic Infirmary Health in Mobile, Alabama, informed his patients this month that, effective Oct. 1



If you need assistance in comprehending the above quote, let me know.

Seems you totally didn't comprehend  mine & in fact responded in repetition only of your own previous quote
Quote from: "cc"It's not just the unvaxxed who have rights - We all have rights including Docs (so long as someone is not in dire need + NO other alternative for which you offer no proof).



Further, while I defend his right to treat who he wishes, there are few Docs who would refuse treatment 1. if direly need + 2. if there was no alternative nearby... which was the only original claim I asked for backup


Now as to who might need "assistance in comprehending the above"  I'm sorry to have to say, but  ... no, tempting as it is I won't say it ... instead I'll leave you to the OZ-implant insults  we see so many of around here.. and simply stand by my original words STRONGLY(see quote above)
Title: Re: Digital Passports aren't designed for health....
Post by: cc on November 29, 2021, 01:45:20 AM
Quote from: Bricktop post_id=428620 time=1638154992 user_id=1560
Quote from: "Dinky Dazza" post_id=428614 time=1638151773 user_id=1676
Far be it for me either to agree with Brick on much of anything, but he understood the theme of this thread and behaved accordingly.


Is that why I feel so dirty??



 ac_biggrin

 :laugh:



Well, seems you still  have something left
Title: Re: Digital Passports aren't designed for health....
Post by: Bricktop on November 29, 2021, 03:02:58 AM
Quote from: "cc"It's not just the unvaxxed who have rights - We all have rights including Docs (so long as someone is not in dire need + NO other alternative for which you offer no proof).




I'm confused.



The issue here is vaccination passports, which I and others vehemently disagree with.



I've asked, but you have not yet offered a response, for an argument that supports such a draconian impost on citizens.



How will passports save lives?



On the other hand, even their advocates admit it will impinge on our rights of freedom of movement. I believe that your right to be vaccinated and protected does not trump that.



By the way, I just received a letter from our local zoo. They inform me that I cannot enter unless I have evidence of vaccination. THAT is the issue which I am railing against. It is none of the Zoo's business whether or not I am vaccinated.



And I'm not going to provide links to everything I say. I am sure that everyone here will know, with some confidence, that I am not given to using falsehoods to support my arguments. If you choose to disbelieve me, that is your perogative.
Title: Re: Digital Passports aren't designed for health....
Post by: Frood on November 29, 2021, 04:41:54 AM
Think of the polar bear cubs and the meerkats! You selfish bastard!
Title: Re: Digital Passports aren't designed for health....
Post by: cc on November 29, 2021, 02:08:29 PM
I'm sick of explaining the "well, Duh" ODDS of catching it increase with contact with the unvaxxed ..  which I have repeatedly done an embarrassing number of times already in this very thread only to be accused of not responding


QuoteThe issue here is vaccination passports, which I and others vehemently disagree with.


Nope - As to Docs exercising their right to not service the unvaxxed, it was YOU, not I,  who brought it up initially as a tool to make your case - and I replied to it and supported Docs rights to choose their patients while allowing  the obvious dire situation exception



However, in reply to your  vaccination passports problem,  I and others vehemently agree with them and exert our right to be far away from the idiots (See grade school level "odds" in this post and in the "many" other posts you ignored)



Covid passports have opened up things a lot for the majority of the population .. irrespective of your passionate  opposition



Clearly you don't respect my right to maximize my odds,  .. fine, bitch away. It helps the owners post count if nothing else
Title: Re: Digital Passports aren't designed for health....
Post by: Bricktop on November 29, 2021, 05:08:29 PM
Well, if your priority is to maximise the odds, perhaps you should lead an advocacy program to have unvaxxed people incarcerated in internment camps hundreds of miles from civilisation.



While we're at it, let's put those with measles, hepatitis, STD's and influenza in there as well.



Claiming covid passports have opened things up is silly, because they are intended and designed to exclude. Children will not be permitted to attend school. Doctors are already refusing to treat unvaccinated people.



In your vision of the world, you'll have to produce your papers to enter a shopping mall, theatre, sporting event, zoo, museum, library or even another persons home.



To what end? How many lives will truly be saved? You seem unable to approach the issue from a cost/benefit perspective.



If you are vaxxed, you are safe. If the vaccine does NOT make you safe, it is nothing more than a placebo.



We are creating a pariah class at a time in our evolution when the last thing we need is more division. And for no real purpose.
Title: Re: Digital Passports aren't designed for health....
Post by: cc on November 29, 2021, 07:50:19 PM
Quote from: Bricktop post_id=428707 time=1638223709 user_id=1560
Well, if your priority is to maximise the odds, perhaps you should lead an advocacy program to have unvaxxed people incarcerated in internment camps hundreds of miles from civilisation.

Tempting as a concept :sneaky2: , but not what I had in mind



So long as they are out of bars & restaurants, I'm OK with that ... and they are, so all is good





I just wish they'd stop scratching on the windows   ac_smile
Title: Re: Digital Passports aren't designed for health....
Post by: Bricktop on November 29, 2021, 08:01:17 PM
Are you sure you've not confused them with someone else...



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Title: Re: Digital Passports aren't designed for health....
Post by: Frood on November 29, 2021, 08:21:25 PM
Quote from: cc post_id=428686 time=1638212909 user_id=88
I'm sick of explaining the "well, Duh" ODDS of catching it increase with contact with the unvaxxed ..  which I have repeatedly done an embarrassing number of times already in this very thread only to be accused of not responding


QuoteThe issue here is vaccination passports, which I and others vehemently disagree with.


Nope - As to Docs exercising their right to not service the unvaxxed, it was YOU, not I,  who brought it up initially as a tool to make your case - and I replied to it and supported Docs rights to choose their patients while allowing  the obvious dire situation exception



However, in reply to your  vaccination passports problem,  I and others vehemently agree with them and exert our right to be far away from the idiots (See grade school level "odds" in this post and in the "many" other posts you ignored)



Covid passports have opened up things a lot for the majority of the population .. irrespective of your passionate  opposition



Clearly you don't respect my right to maximize my odds,  .. fine, bitch away. It helps the owners post count if nothing else




Cool.... means I can also not deal with niggers, fags, Jews, trannies, christ botherers, commies, spics, flips, nips, chinks, poms, russkies, and all Canuckistani right wingers formerly from NSW who act like left wing douchebags.



 :thumbup:
Title: Re: Digital Passports aren't designed for health....
Post by: Anonymous on November 29, 2021, 08:24:16 PM
Hey Brick and Dink, do you actually know of doctors who refuse service to the unvaxxed?
Title: Re: Digital Passports aren't designed for health....
Post by: Frood on November 29, 2021, 08:25:59 PM
Quote from: Herman post_id=428756 time=1638235456 user_id=1689
Hey Brick and Dink, do you actually know of doctors who refuse service to the unvaxxed?


Yes, they announce it either through social media or at their entrances to their practice (A4 printed signs on the door or windows).
Title: Re: Digital Passports aren't designed for health....
Post by: cc on November 29, 2021, 08:35:45 PM
Quote from: Bricktop post_id=428746 time=1638234077 user_id=1560
Are you sure you've not confused them with someone else...



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Dang. That's THEM!!!
Title: Re: Digital Passports aren't designed for health....
Post by: Anonymous on November 29, 2021, 08:46:46 PM
Quote from: "Dinky Dazza" post_id=428757 time=1638235559 user_id=1676
Quote from: Herman post_id=428756 time=1638235456 user_id=1689
Hey Brick and Dink, do you actually know of doctors who refuse service to the unvaxxed?


Yes, they announce it either through social media or at their entrances to their practice (A4 printed signs on the door or windows).

damn
Title: Re: Digital Passports aren't designed for health....
Post by: Thiel on November 29, 2021, 08:51:37 PM
Quote from: "Dinky Dazza" post_id=428757 time=1638235559 user_id=1676
Quote from: Herman post_id=428756 time=1638235456 user_id=1689
Hey Brick and Dink, do you actually know of doctors who refuse service to the unvaxxed?


Yes, they announce it either through social media or at their entrances to their practice (A4 printed signs on the door or windows).

That is unconcionable behviour for doctors.
Title: Re: Digital Passports aren't designed for health....
Post by: Frood on November 29, 2021, 08:54:01 PM
Quote from: Thiel post_id=428762 time=1638237097 user_id=1688
Quote from: "Dinky Dazza" post_id=428757 time=1638235559 user_id=1676
Quote from: Herman post_id=428756 time=1638235456 user_id=1689
Hey Brick and Dink, do you actually know of doctors who refuse service to the unvaxxed?


Yes, they announce it either through social media or at their entrances to their practice (A4 printed signs on the door or windows).

That is unconcionable behviour for doctors.




No different than denying healthy people the right to eat, drink, buy books, visit the library, buy clothes....



....everyone is doing it.
Title: Re: Digital Passports aren't designed for health....
Post by: Thiel on November 29, 2021, 09:00:14 PM
Quote from: "Dinky Dazza" post_id=428765 time=1638237241 user_id=1676
Quote from: Thiel post_id=428762 time=1638237097 user_id=1688
Quote from: "Dinky Dazza" post_id=428757 time=1638235559 user_id=1676
Quote from: Herman post_id=428756 time=1638235456 user_id=1689
Hey Brick and Dink, do you actually know of doctors who refuse service to the unvaxxed?


Yes, they announce it either through social media or at their entrances to their practice (A4 printed signs on the door or windows).

That is unconcionable behviour for doctors.




No different than denying healthy people the right to eat, drink, buy books, visit the library, buy clothes....



....everyone is doing it.

They are very different. Restauranteurs and bowling alley owners don't take the Hippocratic oath.
Title: Re: Digital Passports aren't designed for health....
Post by: Frood on November 29, 2021, 09:02:49 PM
Quote from: Thiel post_id=428769 time=1638237614 user_id=1688
Quote from: "Dinky Dazza" post_id=428765 time=1638237241 user_id=1676
Quote from: Thiel post_id=428762 time=1638237097 user_id=1688
Quote from: "Dinky Dazza" post_id=428757 time=1638235559 user_id=1676
Quote from: Herman post_id=428756 time=1638235456 user_id=1689
Hey Brick and Dink, do you actually know of doctors who refuse service to the unvaxxed?


Yes, they announce it either through social media or at their entrances to their practice (A4 printed signs on the door or windows).

That is unconcionable behviour for doctors.




No different than denying healthy people the right to eat, drink, buy books, visit the library, buy clothes....



....everyone is doing it.

They are very different. Restauranteurs and bowling alley owners don't take the Hippocratic oath.


Yeah....food, drink, clothes, books, footwear, education are like totally optional.



No discrimination there...
Title: Re: Digital Passports aren't designed for health....
Post by: Anonymous on November 29, 2021, 09:07:17 PM
Quote from: Thiel post_id=428769 time=1638237614 user_id=1688
Quote from: "Dinky Dazza" post_id=428765 time=1638237241 user_id=1676
Quote from: Thiel post_id=428762 time=1638237097 user_id=1688
Quote from: "Dinky Dazza" post_id=428757 time=1638235559 user_id=1676
Quote from: Herman post_id=428756 time=1638235456 user_id=1689
Hey Brick and Dink, do you actually know of doctors who refuse service to the unvaxxed?


Yes, they announce it either through social media or at their entrances to their practice (A4 printed signs on the door or windows).

That is unconcionable behviour for doctors.




No different than denying healthy people the right to eat, drink, buy books, visit the library, buy clothes....



....everyone is doing it.

They are very different. Restauranteurs and bowling alley owners don't take the Hippocratic oath.

Exactly Thiel.......it's a silly comparison.
Title: Re: Digital Passports aren't designed for health....
Post by: Frood on November 29, 2021, 09:13:02 PM
Such cowardice....
Title: Re: Digital Passports aren't designed for health....
Post by: Thiel on November 29, 2021, 09:19:33 PM
Quote from: "Dinky Dazza" post_id=428776 time=1638238382 user_id=1676
Such cowardice....

No shirt, no shoes, no service might be acceptable for small business owners, but not physicians.
Title: Re: Digital Passports aren't designed for health....
Post by: Frood on November 29, 2021, 09:33:30 PM
Quote from: Thiel post_id=428777 time=1638238773 user_id=1688
Quote from: "Dinky Dazza" post_id=428776 time=1638238382 user_id=1676
Such cowardice....

No shirt, no shoes, no service might be acceptable for small business owners, but not physicians.


No jab passport, no food no water no clothes no fuel no education is vastly different than putting a t shirt or pair of shoes on.



You can't take the jab off after....
Title: Re: Digital Passports aren't designed for health....
Post by: Anonymous on November 29, 2021, 09:35:45 PM
Quote from: "Dinky Dazza" post_id=428779 time=1638239610 user_id=1676
Quote from: Thiel post_id=428777 time=1638238773 user_id=1688
Quote from: "Dinky Dazza" post_id=428776 time=1638238382 user_id=1676
Such cowardice....

No shirt, no shoes, no service might be acceptable for small business owners, but not physicians.


No jab passport, no food no water no clothes no fuel no education is vastly different than putting a t shirt or pair of shoes on.



You can't take the jab off after....

All of those are essentials and not denied here.
Title: Re: Digital Passports aren't designed for health....
Post by: cc on November 29, 2021, 09:39:03 PM
Quote from: Fashionista post_id=428780 time=1638239745 user_id=3254
Quote from: "Dinky Dazza" post_id=428779 time=1638239610 user_id=1676
No jab passport, no food no water no clothes no fuel no education is vastly different than putting a t shirt or pair of shoes on.

All of those are essentials and not denied here.

But we are working on it ........  ac_razz













kidding
Title: Re: Digital Passports aren't designed for health....
Post by: Bricktop on November 29, 2021, 09:43:05 PM
Quote from: Herman post_id=428756 time=1638235456 user_id=1689
Hey Brick and Dink, do you actually know of doctors who refuse service to the unvaxxed?


I've provided a quote from a local paper that reveals a rural doctor in South Australia denied service, but the full story is behind a paywall.



Here's another quote from the AMA.



"A whole lot of these people are passionate disbelievers that the virus even exists. They should notify their nearest and dearest and ensure there's an advanced care directive that says: 'If I am diagnosed with this disease caused by a virus that I don't believe exists, I will not disturb the public hospital system, and I'll let nature run its course,'" Dr McRae said.



But following a backlash from the medical sector, Dr McRae clarified his comments on Friday morning. In a statement, he said was not his intention to suggest that COVID deniers and anti-vaxxers should be denied medical treatment."



AFTER a huge backlash. But the fact that he expressed that sentiment cannot be retracted. That is the head of the AMA.
Title: Re: Digital Passports aren't designed for health....
Post by: Frood on November 29, 2021, 09:47:28 PM
Quote from: Fashionista post_id=428780 time=1638239745 user_id=3254
Quote from: "Dinky Dazza" post_id=428779 time=1638239610 user_id=1676
Quote from: Thiel post_id=428777 time=1638238773 user_id=1688
Quote from: "Dinky Dazza" post_id=428776 time=1638238382 user_id=1676
Such cowardice....

No shirt, no shoes, no service might be acceptable for small business owners, but not physicians.


No jab passport, no food no water no clothes no fuel no education is vastly different than putting a t shirt or pair of shoes on.



You can't take the jab off after....

All of those are essentials and not denied here.


We currently can not buy clothes in person unless double jabbed or eat and drink at a restaurant, Cafe, bar.



We can buy fuel at the moment, but in some countries or regions they are already refusing fuel to the unjabbed.  



It's only a matter of time....
Title: Re: Digital Passports aren't designed for health....
Post by: Bricktop on November 29, 2021, 09:50:44 PM
"Earlier this week, a 13-year-old boy with a sore wrist was turned away from an Enderby walk-in clinic because he wasn't vaccinated and told to seek care at the emergency room in Salmon Arm instead.



"I was flabbergasted," the boy's mom, Kate Stein, told Postmedia News. "The doctor wouldn't see us. He was only accepting fully vaccinated patients."



This occurred in your patch.



//https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/canada/can-a-walk-in-clinic-doctor-refuse-to-see-an-unvaccinated-patient-it-may-depend/ar-AANMTEM
Title: Re: Digital Passports aren't designed for health....
Post by: cc on November 29, 2021, 09:52:01 PM
Quote from: "Dinky Dazza" post_id=428785 time=1638240448 user_id=1676
We currently can not buy clothes in person unless double jabbed or eat and drink at a restaurant, Cafe, bar.



We can buy fuel at the moment, but in some countries or regions they are already refusing fuel to the unjabbed.  



It's only a matter of time....

What a setup for total authoritarianism



Get out while you can
Title: Re: Digital Passports aren't designed for health....
Post by: Thiel on November 29, 2021, 09:52:43 PM
Quote from: Bricktop post_id=428786 time=1638240644 user_id=1560
"Earlier this week, a 13-year-old boy with a sore wrist was turned away from an Enderby walk-in clinic because he wasn't vaccinated and told to seek care at the emergency room in Salmon Arm instead.



"I was flabbergasted," the boy's mom, Kate Stein, told Postmedia News. "The doctor wouldn't see us. He was only accepting fully vaccinated patients."



This occurred in your patch.



//https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/canada/can-a-walk-in-clinic-doctor-refuse-to-see-an-unvaccinated-patient-it-may-depend/ar-AANMTEM

That happened in BC.
Title: Re: Digital Passports aren't designed for health....
Post by: Frood on November 29, 2021, 09:55:40 PM
Quote from: cc post_id=428788 time=1638240721 user_id=88
Quote from: "Dinky Dazza" post_id=428785 time=1638240448 user_id=1676
We currently can not buy clothes in person unless double jabbed or eat and drink at a restaurant, Cafe, bar.



We can buy fuel at the moment, but in some countries or regions they are already refusing fuel to the unjabbed.  



It's only a matter of time....

What a setup for total authoritarianism



Get out while you can


We can't leave unless jabbed.
Title: Re: Digital Passports aren't designed for health....
Post by: Anonymous on November 29, 2021, 10:13:25 PM
Quote from: Bricktop post_id=428786 time=1638240644 user_id=1560
"Earlier this week, a 13-year-old boy with a sore wrist was turned away from an Enderby walk-in clinic because he wasn't vaccinated and told to seek care at the emergency room in Salmon Arm instead.



"I was flabbergasted," the boy's mom, Kate Stein, told Postmedia News. "The doctor wouldn't see us. He was only accepting fully vaccinated patients."



This occurred in your patch.



//https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/canada/can-a-walk-in-clinic-doctor-refuse-to-see-an-unvaccinated-patient-it-may-depend/ar-AANMTEM

That doesn't fall under BC's vaccine passport rules.



https://www2.gov.bc.ca/gov/content/covid-19/vaccine/proof
Title: Re: Digital Passports aren't designed for health....
Post by: Frood on November 29, 2021, 10:23:14 PM
Georgia



https://www.bitchute.com/video/4xyJXYeHgu34/
Title: Re: Digital Passports aren't designed for health....
Post by: Frood on November 29, 2021, 10:25:21 PM
ac_dance  :yahoo:  :thumbup:



https://www.bitchute.com/video/CzPU6PcpQZ8W/
Title: Re: Digital Passports aren't designed for health....
Post by: Bricktop on November 29, 2021, 11:29:10 PM
Quote from: Fashionista post_id=428797 time=1638242005 user_id=3254
Quote from: Bricktop post_id=428786 time=1638240644 user_id=1560
"Earlier this week, a 13-year-old boy with a sore wrist was turned away from an Enderby walk-in clinic because he wasn't vaccinated and told to seek care at the emergency room in Salmon Arm instead.



"I was flabbergasted," the boy's mom, Kate Stein, told Postmedia News. "The doctor wouldn't see us. He was only accepting fully vaccinated patients."



This occurred in your patch.



//https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/canada/can-a-walk-in-clinic-doctor-refuse-to-see-an-unvaccinated-patient-it-may-depend/ar-AANMTEM

That doesn't fall under BC's vaccine passport rules.



https://www2.gov.bc.ca/gov/content/covid-19/vaccine/proof


Yet there it is...
Title: Re: Digital Passports aren't designed for health....
Post by: Anonymous on November 30, 2021, 06:27:58 AM
Quote from: Bricktop post_id=428808 time=1638246550 user_id=1560
Quote from: Fashionista post_id=428797 time=1638242005 user_id=3254
Quote from: Bricktop post_id=428786 time=1638240644 user_id=1560
"Earlier this week, a 13-year-old boy with a sore wrist was turned away from an Enderby walk-in clinic because he wasn't vaccinated and told to seek care at the emergency room in Salmon Arm instead.



"I was flabbergasted," the boy's mom, Kate Stein, told Postmedia News. "The doctor wouldn't see us. He was only accepting fully vaccinated patients."



This occurred in your patch.



//https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/canada/can-a-walk-in-clinic-doctor-refuse-to-see-an-unvaccinated-patient-it-may-depend/ar-AANMTEM

That doesn't fall under BC's vaccine passport rules.



https://www2.gov.bc.ca/gov/content/covid-19/vaccine/proof


Yet there it is...

There was a restaurant in Southern Ontario owned by an anti vaxxer who refused service to the vaccinated in violation of Ontario's vaccine passport rules.
Title: Re: Digital Passports aren't designed for health....
Post by: cc on November 30, 2021, 11:34:06 AM
Quote from: Fashionista post_id=428814 time=1638271678 user_id=3254
There was a restaurant in Southern Ontario owned by an anti vaxxer who refused service to the vaccinated in violation of Ontario's vaccine passport rules.

LOL, yes there was ... even though there was no way to know if one was or wasn't vaxxed  .. like, duh  ... we get all kinds



It didn't remain in that position for long
Title: Re: Digital Passports aren't designed for health....
Post by: Bricktop on November 30, 2021, 04:06:57 PM
Finally, a little truth about mandated vaccines;



"From a modelling perspective, it's clear that if you increase the vaccine uptake, it won't be enough by itself to stop the virus from circulating, but it's a huge step to stop the collapse of the healthcare system," he said. "



//https://www.9news.com.au/world/coronavirus-omicron-variant-with-covid-vaccine-mandates-european-countries-are-showing-the-once-unthinkable-can-work/9b7fb6b2-aa69-48ce-a645-ca5be87576bf



It has always been my position that draconian measures implemented by Governments around the world has very little to do with disease prevention.



It has everything to do with protecting the health system. Which is not necessarily a bad thing.



The problem is that it is NOT sufficient reason to demand people carry domestic passports. It is not to protect them from the virus, but to shield their health systems from being inundated, in particular the intensive care units.
Title: Re: Digital Passports aren't designed for health....
Post by: Anonymous on November 30, 2021, 04:38:08 PM
The unvaccinated are filling our ICU's.
Title: Re: Digital Passports aren't designed for health....
Post by: cc on November 30, 2021, 06:30:49 PM
Quote from: Fashionista post_id=428846 time=1638308288 user_id=3254
The unvaccinated are filling our ICU's.


Every province is consistently 20 - 1 unvaxxed vs vaxxed hospitalized & far more in ICU  at 30+ > 1 per any number of the population you want to employ as a yardstick



So not only ICUs, they are filling regular hospital space also



Damn them!!!   :mad: We all are paying for these dipshits + missing out and / or delated greatly on needed medical work
Title: Re: Digital Passports aren't designed for health....
Post by: cc on November 30, 2021, 06:34:34 PM
After ages of bars & restaurants  being closed and losing a lot of money ... , then limited space and losing a lot of money -



 even  when they were first opened up more, they were losing money as most vaxxed would not go



Since proof of vax was employed .. they are full of customers & making money again  



Finally, bars & restaurants are now fully open making money again





The vaxxed have rights too!!! Rights do not belong only to the oddballs









 -
Title: Re: Digital Passports aren't designed for health....
Post by: cc on November 30, 2021, 07:09:18 PM
And it get's back to worse today



Where our vaxxed numbers are low, bars & restaurants are having to re-close in parts of our Interior and North as the stupid b-tards are overflowing local hospitals and ICUs there



I'm getting very tired of these selfish know-it-all-know nothing crackpots  costing us a lot of  hospital money and stopping needed medical work .. and putting bars & restaurants out of business
Title: Re: Digital Passports aren't designed for health....
Post by: Anonymous on November 30, 2021, 07:25:44 PM
Quote from: cc post_id=428854 time=1638317358 user_id=88
And it get's back to worse today



Where our vaxxed numbers are low, bars & restaurants are having to re-close in parts of our Interior and North as the stupid b-tards are overflowing local hospitals and ICUs there



I'm getting very tired of these selfish know-it-all-know nothing crackpots  costing us a lot of  hospital money and stopping needed medical work .. and putting bars & restaurants out of business

They did that out in BC?
Title: Re: Digital Passports aren't designed for health....
Post by: cc on November 30, 2021, 07:31:39 PM
Some places in Interior & North were hospitals and ICUs couldn't handle the load - starts tomorrow



The rest of the province is open and we are enjoying good times at bars & restaurants
Title: Re: Digital Passports aren't designed for health....
Post by: Anonymous on November 30, 2021, 07:36:00 PM
Quote from: cc post_id=428859 time=1638318699 user_id=88
Some places in Interior & North were hospitals and ICUs couldn't handle the load - starts tomorrow



The rest of the province is open and we are enjoying good times at bars & restaurants

Last I checked BC's daily cases were a bit higher than Alberta, but they seemed manageable. I guess it aint uniform around the province.
Title: Re: Digital Passports aren't designed for health....
Post by: cc on November 30, 2021, 08:22:33 PM
Border is right back to testing for "less than 72 hrs" thanks to fear of XI variant & one has to use some Fed website before returning



Damn!!!!!
Title: Re: Digital Passports aren't designed for health....
Post by: Anonymous on November 30, 2021, 08:25:42 PM
Quote from: cc post_id=428872 time=1638321753 user_id=88
Border is right back to testing for "less than 72 hrs" thanks to fear of XI variant & one has to use some Fed website before returning



Damn!!!!!

I knew this was coming. Hopefully this omicron variant aint anything to worry too much about.
Title: Re: Digital Passports aren't designed for health....
Post by: Anonymous on November 30, 2021, 08:27:10 PM
Quote from: cc post_id=428872 time=1638321753 user_id=88
Border is right back to testing for "less than 72 hrs" thanks to fear of XI variant & one has to use some Fed website before returning



Damn!!!!!

We're going to Holland in two and a half weeks..



I hope this doesn't change our holiday plans.
Title: Re: Digital Passports aren't designed for health....
Post by: Bricktop on November 30, 2021, 08:38:15 PM
I think the risk factor for overseas travel just went up again. Omicron has appeared in Holland.
Title: Re: Digital Passports aren't designed for health....
Post by: Anonymous on November 30, 2021, 08:41:30 PM
Quote from: Bricktop post_id=428880 time=1638322695 user_id=1560
I think the risk factor for overseas travel just went up again. Omicron has appeared in Holland.

It has, but will we start enacting travel bans worldwide again....I hope not.
Title: Re: Digital Passports aren't designed for health....
Post by: cc on November 30, 2021, 08:42:32 PM
Quote from: Bricktop post_id=428880 time=1638322695 user_id=1560
I think the risk factor for overseas travel just went up again. Omicron has appeared in Holland.

And BC & Alberta & Ontario



They have closed the door - too late
Title: Re: Digital Passports aren't designed for health....
Post by: Bricktop on November 30, 2021, 08:54:24 PM
This is the future of the planet. Our lives will be dominated by a man made virus.
Title: Re: Digital Passports aren't designed for health....
Post by: Anonymous on November 30, 2021, 09:00:33 PM
Quote from: Bricktop post_id=428886 time=1638323664 user_id=1560
This is the future of the planet. Our lives will be dominated by a man made virus.

It has to end sometime..



At least become an endemic.
Title: Re: Digital Passports aren't designed for health....
Post by: Frood on November 30, 2021, 10:23:10 PM
Quote from: cc post_id=428853 time=1638315274 user_id=88
After ages of bars & restaurants  being closed and losing a lot of money ... , then limited space and losing a lot of money -



 even  when they were first opened up more, they were losing money as most vaxxed would not go



Since proof of vax was employed .. they are full of customers & making money again  



Finally, bars & restaurants are now fully open making money again





The vaxxed have rights too!!! Rights do not belong only to the oddballs









 -


Explain the Nuremberg Code then?



And be sure to never criticise China for their former One Child Policy or the US for Roe vs Wade and its internment of Japanese Americans, et cetera....  



You want discrimination....you'll get it back in droves and the shame in history books.
Title: Re: Digital Passports aren't designed for health....
Post by: cc on November 30, 2021, 10:30:20 PM
Drama Fu-cking Queen or what?



 :roll:



You cut yourselves off ... Suck it up DQ and watch me sipping a dry Burgundy through the window
Title: Re: Digital Passports aren't designed for health....
Post by: Odinson on November 30, 2021, 10:36:25 PM
Crazy americans... :pop:
Title: Re: Digital Passports aren't designed for health....
Post by: Frood on November 30, 2021, 10:37:26 PM
I'm a drama queen because you want to practice Medical McCarthyism/Apartheid on the healthy who don't want to undergo a medical procedure?



Projection, thy name is cc.....
Title: Re: Digital Passports aren't designed for health....
Post by: cc on November 30, 2021, 10:38:37 PM
drama queen left out in the cold  :laugh:



You made your bed. Suck it up and stop crying



Wow I love  dry Burgundy
Title: Re: Digital Passports aren't designed for health....
Post by: Frood on November 30, 2021, 10:43:56 PM
Medical Apartheid isn't a bed I've made...



Projection, thy name is still cc....
Title: Re: Digital Passports aren't designed for health....
Post by: cc on November 30, 2021, 10:44:30 PM
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Title: Re: Digital Passports aren't designed for health....
Post by: Bricktop on November 30, 2021, 10:44:40 PM
Quote from: cc post_id=428853 time=1638315274 user_id=88


The vaxxed have rights too!!! Rights do not belong only to the oddballs


What are those rights that are not available to every other citizen?
Title: Re: Digital Passports aren't designed for health....
Post by: Frood on November 30, 2021, 10:56:31 PM
*** crickets chirping ***
Title: Re: Digital Passports aren't designed for health....
Post by: cc on November 30, 2021, 11:03:36 PM
Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa



I've answered same ? 5 times ... that's enough ..  scroll back FFS



Meantime ... vaxxed company is always welcome



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Title: Re: Digital Passports aren't designed for health....
Post by: Frood on December 01, 2021, 03:06:45 AM
*** crickets (still) chirping ***
Title: Re: Digital Passports aren't designed for health....
Post by: Odinson on December 01, 2021, 06:00:33 PM
What if I identify as vaccinated?



Cant get mad.



You have to let me in.
Title: Re: Digital Passports aren't designed for health....
Post by: Anonymous on December 01, 2021, 06:05:28 PM
Quote from: Odinson post_id=428978 time=1638399633 user_id=136
What if I identify as vaccinated?



Cant get mad.



You have to let me in.

 ac_umm
Title: Re: Digital Passports aren't designed for health....
Post by: Bricktop on December 01, 2021, 06:16:48 PM
One thing I can absolutely guarantee.



If governments demand proof of vaccination, fake digital copies will be distributed around the web within minutes.
Title: Re: Digital Passports aren't designed for health....
Post by: Anonymous on December 01, 2021, 07:33:32 PM
Quote from: Bricktop post_id=428985 time=1638400608 user_id=1560
One thing I can absolutely guarantee.



If governments demand proof of vaccination, fake digital copies will be distributed around the web within minutes.

They are here. Stiff penalties in a lot of countries if you get caught with them, or worse, get caught selling them.
Title: Re: Digital Passports aren't designed for health....
Post by: Bricktop on December 01, 2021, 09:26:16 PM
And the waiter at the restaurant checking digital certificates will spot the fakes, no doubt. If he or she even bothers to check.
Title: Re: Digital Passports aren't designed for health....
Post by: Frood on December 01, 2021, 11:09:34 PM
Queensland's App Certificates can be downloaded to multiple devices, thus leaving it open for family members to piggyback on....   :laugh:



Brilliant!
Title: Re: Digital Passports aren't designed for health....
Post by: Bricktop on December 02, 2021, 12:14:08 AM
Same in SA. I could provide anyone with a digital certificate in 5 minutes.



Just put mine in Photoshop or equivalent, et voila.
Title: Re: Digital Passports aren't designed for health....
Post by: Frood on December 02, 2021, 01:17:20 AM
No, in Queensland... you can download your actual certificate to multiple devices... no photoshopping required. Lulz
Title: Re: Digital Passports aren't designed for health....
Post by: cc on December 02, 2021, 01:44:41 AM
Quote from: Bricktop post_id=429027 time=1638411976 user_id=1560
And the waiter at the restaurant checking digital certificates will spot the fakes, no doubt. If he or she even bothers to check.

Here. they check thoroughly. I'm guessing your folk do also. Our fav watering hole even check photo ID even though they have known us for years


Quote from: "Dinky Dazza" post_id=429052 time=1638418174 user_id=1676
Queensland's App Certificates can be downloaded to multiple devices, thus leaving it open for family members to piggyback on....   :laugh:



Brilliant!

Well if Aussies are stupid enough to not require valid picture ID (driver's license) to be matched to certificate & face on every entry .. I'm glad I left the land of idiots barely up to" the other OZ"... hopeless idiots



In reality .. difficult for some ...  I'm bettin they do so require matching picture ID as we do  .. so  wipe the smile  .. joke is on y'all
Title: Re: Digital Passports aren't designed for health....
Post by: Frood on December 02, 2021, 01:50:21 AM
Ok, Karen....
Title: Re: Digital Passports aren't designed for health....
Post by: cc on December 02, 2021, 01:54:23 AM
didn't fly eh?   :roll:



Sorry bout that
Title: Re: Digital Passports aren't designed for health....
Post by: Frood on December 02, 2021, 01:55:39 AM
Ok, Karen....
Title: Re: Digital Passports aren't designed for health....
Post by: cc on December 02, 2021, 01:56:36 AM
Sorry to let the air out of your beach ball



but



Maybe someone really nice like me will let you watch through the window
Title: Re: Digital Passports aren't designed for health....
Post by: Frood on December 02, 2021, 02:01:54 AM
Ok, Karen...
Title: Re: Digital Passports aren't designed for health....
Post by: Bricktop on December 02, 2021, 02:44:35 AM
Quote from: cc post_id=429063 time=1638427481 user_id=88


Well if Aussies are stupid enough to not require valid picture ID (driver's license) to be matched to certificate & face on every entry .. I'm glad I left the land of idiots barely up to" the other OZ"... hopeless idiots




In other words, a domestic passport.



Our government is rather tentative, because this land of idiots might well think about how we vote at the next election.



Unlike Canada.
Title: Re: Digital Passports aren't designed for health....
Post by: Frood on December 02, 2021, 03:20:18 AM
cc is so Karen, she's increasingly compelling two long time adversarial parties to agree with each other, much to their mutually shared chagrin...
Title: Re: Digital Passports aren't designed for health....
Post by: cc on December 02, 2021, 01:49:30 PM
^^ I never did understand gibberish, but considering source .... once translated into a people's language, it will be vindictive




Quote from: Bricktop post_id=429072 time=1638431075 user_id=1560
Quote from: cc post_id=429063 time=1638427481 user_id=88


Well if Aussies are stupid enough to not require valid picture ID (driver's license) to be matched to certificate & face on every entry .. I'm glad I left the land of idiots barely up to" the other OZ"... hopeless idiots




In other words, a domestic passport.



Our government is rather tentative, because this land of idiots might well think about how we vote at the next election.



Unlike Canada.

Ok, so what was Dink talking about copying?  .. From what he and you said, it sounded like official proof of vax like what we have??????



To use it here, photo ID is required  .. without which it would be meaningless .. quite silly in fact. I'm assuming OZ is sharp enough to require that?? .. although I'm now a bit confused as your above post seems contradictory to proof ???
Title: Re: Digital Passports aren't designed for health....
Post by: Bricktop on December 02, 2021, 05:55:32 PM
At this time, the only proof supplied by the government is a digital certificate attached to your health care file. It's just a PDF with your name on it, nothing more.



They do provide a government certified document if you intend to travel overseas linked to your passport, which of course must be presented at port of entry anyway.



There has been much hostility and resistance to adopting a "passport" which would include photo ID. However, such a move has a lot of legal AND social implications that Australians are not comfortable with.



A rather comely young woman presents at the door of a popular nightclub. She is asked to present proof of vaccination. She shows her certificate and DRIVERS LICENCE, which displays her address.



Nope. Not good.



Government documents such as drivers licence can only be produced on request from a lawful authority. Non government authorities and individuals have no right to ask for a drivers licence, only proof of ID for lawful reasons (such as entering a licenced premises needing an age check or buying alcohol).



The only alternative is to follow Europe's path (never a good idea) and simply ostracise unvaccinated people from all facets of daily living.



Is this the world you want to live in?
Title: Re: Digital Passports aren't designed for health....
Post by: Bricktop on December 02, 2021, 06:19:50 PM
Quote from: "Dinky Dazza" post_id=429073 time=1638433218 user_id=1676
cc is so Karen, she's increasingly compelling two long time adversarial parties to agree with each other, much to their mutually shared chagrin...


That's no small feat.
Title: Re: Digital Passports aren't designed for health....
Post by: cc on December 02, 2021, 09:57:35 PM
Quote from: Bricktop post_id=429108 time=1638485732 user_id=1560 She shows her certificate and DRIVERS LICENCE, which displays her address.



Happens in most areas a lot when bar HAS TO check age (unless obviously of legal age)  .. or be fined for serving underage



Jeez, I had to do that when around legal age .. and never felt all "principley"
Title: Re: Digital Passports aren't designed for health....
Post by: Bricktop on December 02, 2021, 10:10:51 PM
You are comparing a voluntary display of personal information to gain access to a place of recreation where the person can make a choice about entering or not and the presentation of proof of age is a discretionary requirement, with a mandatory requirement to produce personal details to access cafes, theatres, parks, places of employment, restaurants, schools, sports arenas and most public places.



Also, in Australia, the government will issue proof of age cards to people over 18 that does not display personal information.



Now, that, of course suggests that the government could do the same for vaccinated people. But can you imagine the cost, bureaucracy and systems that would need to be implemented for this to happen???
Title: Re: Digital Passports aren't designed for health....
Post by: Frood on December 03, 2021, 08:26:03 AM
Quote from: Bricktop post_id=429124 time=1638501051 user_id=1560
You are comparing a voluntary display of personal information to gain access to a place of recreation where the person can make a choice about entering or not and the presentation of proof of age is a discretionary requirement, with a mandatory requirement to produce personal details to access cafes, theatres, parks, places of employment, restaurants, schools, sports arenas and most public places.



Also, in Australia, the government will issue proof of age cards to people over 18 that does not display personal information.



Now, that, of course suggests that the government could do the same for vaccinated people. But can you imagine the cost, bureaucracy and systems that would need to be implemented for this to happen???


...and the loss of liberty for countless otherwise healthy people.



Western nations are literally becoming fascist for something which the goalposts are moved constantly over mere months between dictates....
Title: Re: Digital Passports aren't designed for health....
Post by: Bricktop on December 03, 2021, 04:36:48 PM
Another problem for governments who deny access to unvaxxed people will be voting.



Voting is compulsory. So, if unvaxxed are excluded from voting booths, their rights to vote are taken from them...a clear breach of the constitution.
Title: Re: Digital Passports aren't designed for health....
Post by: Frood on December 08, 2021, 06:24:15 AM
https://www.bitchute.com/video/ycdpHOCx5b3N/



Romania is going off!
Title: Re: Digital Passports aren't designed for health....
Post by: Anonymous on December 08, 2021, 09:58:30 AM
Quote from: Bricktop post_id=429124 time=1638501051 user_id=1560
You are comparing a voluntary display of personal information to gain access to a place of recreation where the person can make a choice about entering or not and the presentation of proof of age is a discretionary requirement, with a mandatory requirement to produce personal details to access cafes, theatres, parks, places of employment, restaurants, schools, sports arenas and most public places.



Also, in Australia, the government will issue proof of age cards to people over 18 that does not display personal information.



Now, that, of course suggests that the government could do the same for vaccinated people. But can you imagine the cost, bureaucracy and systems that would need to be implemented for this to happen???

We have a QR code on our phones that only display names and addresses.
Title: Re: Digital Passports aren't designed for health....
Post by: cc on December 08, 2021, 11:38:55 AM
Quote from: Bricktop post_id=429166 time=1638567408 user_id=1560
Another problem for governments who deny access to unvaxxed people will be voting.



Voting is compulsory. So, if unvaxxed are excluded from voting booths, their rights to vote are taken from them...a clear breach of the constitution.

Separate places. Problem solved
Title: Re: Digital Passports aren't designed for health....
Post by: Bricktop on December 08, 2021, 05:10:20 PM
Doubling the cost and staffing levels required to administer TWO polling stations. There are strict laws as to how polling stations are administered.



See, it's easy to come up with ways of dividing society into two more classes (like we needed more than we have already), but each division has its own problems, administration and legal complications and of course, cost.



I'm still not seeing a net gain for these draconian measures...and a net gain means a solid and substantial advantage over the standards they've already set in place.



People are still being infected, and some are becoming moderately ill. The death rate is, I believe, in sharp decline because of the vaccination take-up.



What more does these tyrants want?
Title: Re: Digital Passports aren't designed for health....
Post by: cc on December 08, 2021, 05:18:30 PM
Aw, but "who" is doing the "dividing society into two more classes" ??



Sorry, I'm not letting you get away with that
Title: Re: Digital Passports aren't designed for health....
Post by: Bricktop on December 08, 2021, 05:50:46 PM
Well, a quick list of those dividing society;



Feminists

Racists

Socialists

Politicians

Religions

Nationalists

Multiculturalists

Ideologues

Scientists

Mass news media

Educators

Corporations

Obscenely wealthy individuals

Opionated "journalists" (as opposed to news journalists)



Not in any great order, but the LEAST divisive member of society are simply those with whom you do not agree. Disagreement and dissention should never divide us.



Did you know there is a tribe in Nepal that separates menstruating women from the main population during their cycle? Is this where we want to go?
Title: Re: Digital Passports aren't designed for health....
Post by: Frood on December 08, 2021, 09:43:31 PM
I'm glad this thread has largely stuck to the issue of division by way of passports/papers.



See? We can have nice things...
Title: Re: Digital Passports aren't designed for health....
Post by: Frood on December 08, 2021, 10:09:55 PM
Quote from: Bricktop post_id=429845 time=1639003846 user_id=1560
Well, a quick list of those dividing society;



Feminists

Racists

Socialists

Politicians

Religions

Nationalists

Multiculturalists

Ideologues

Scientists

Mass news media

Educators

Corporations

Obscenely wealthy individuals

Opionated "journalists" (as opposed to news journalists)



Not in any great order, but the LEAST divisive member of society are simply those with whom you do not agree. Disagreement and dissention should never divide us.



Did you know there is a tribe in Nepal that separates menstruating women from the main population during their cycle? Is this where we want to go?


Even within your groups listed there are decent ones who don't divide....such as old school feminists who fight the LGBQT on the regrouping of what it is to be female, populist nationalists who want their citizens to band together and fight globalisation, et cetera....



Perhaps the Mass Media and Socialists (trojan horse communists) are the most likely to go all in within their subset.
Title: Re: Digital Passports aren't designed for health....
Post by: Bricktop on December 08, 2021, 10:36:59 PM
I agree that not all members of those groups are divisive.



Lots of scientists, teachers, politicians and so on do work for unity and cohesion.



I was generalising to answer CC's question.
Title: Re: Digital Passports aren't designed for health....
Post by: Bricktop on December 09, 2021, 06:00:59 PM
Is this the world we want to live in??



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMV0S0s_uOQ



NEIN!!!!
Title: Re: Digital Passports aren't designed for health....
Post by: Frood on December 09, 2021, 10:29:29 PM
Those fucking cowards....
Title: Re: Digital Passports aren't designed for health....
Post by: cc on December 09, 2021, 11:46:13 PM
What's with your wonky area? I don't know of anywhere like it
Title: Re: Digital Passports aren't designed for health....
Post by: Frood on December 09, 2021, 11:46:53 PM
That video is in Europe...
Title: Re: Digital Passports aren't designed for health....
Post by: Bricktop on December 10, 2021, 01:03:11 AM
Austria, I believe.



This is not right.
Title: Re: Digital Passports aren't designed for health....
Post by: cc on December 10, 2021, 08:10:22 AM
Aw. Austria has gone bonkers



Austria .. Australia .. I always get them mixed up  ac_smile
Title: Re: Digital Passports aren't designed for health....
Post by: Anonymous on December 10, 2021, 10:14:32 AM
Some Asian countries have total bans on flights from some European countries.
Title: Re: Digital Passports aren't designed for health....
Post by: Bricktop on December 10, 2021, 05:20:00 PM
Quote from: cc post_id=430092 time=1639141822 user_id=88
Aw. Austria has gone bonkers



Austria .. Australia .. I always get them mixed up  ac_smile


The easy way to remember is that Hitler came from Austria, and Mel Gibson came from Australia. Both are anti-semitic.
Title: Re: Digital Passports aren't designed for health....
Post by: Anonymous on December 10, 2021, 05:37:47 PM
Quote from: Fashionista post_id=430097 time=1639149272 user_id=3254
Some Asian countries have total bans on flights from some European countries.

Australia probably bans them too.
Title: Re: Digital Passports aren't designed for health....
Post by: cc on December 10, 2021, 05:59:08 PM
Quote from: Bricktop post_id=430134 time=1639174800 user_id=1560
Quote from: cc post_id=430092 time=1639141822 user_id=88
Aw. Austria has gone bonkers



Austria .. Australia .. I always get them mixed up  ac_smile


The easy way to remember is that Hitler came from Austria, and Mel Gibson came from Australia. Both are anti-semitic.

D'ruther think of Greg Norman
Title: Re: Digital Passports aren't designed for health....
Post by: Bricktop on December 10, 2021, 07:35:42 PM
Meanwhile in Italy.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hd-Y4bAeUTo



This is wrong. Wrong. Wrong.
Title: Re: Digital Passports aren't designed for health....
Post by: Anonymous on December 10, 2021, 07:41:56 PM
Quote from: Bricktop post_id=430166 time=1639182942 user_id=1560
Meanwhile in Italy.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hd-Y4bAeUTo



This is wrong. Wrong. Wrong.

Climate measures hurt the poor, but prog money who they don't affect wants them. COVID meaures hurt the poor, but prog money who they don't affect wants them.
Title: Re: Digital Passports aren't designed for health....
Post by: Bricktop on December 10, 2021, 08:28:33 PM
This is the future if we don't push back.
Title: Re: Digital Passports aren't designed for health....
Post by: Odinson on December 10, 2021, 08:37:15 PM
Germany: Police uncover likely motive for family slaying



Authorities now believe the father killed his wife, three children and himself because he feared social services would take his children away. He had been caught forging a COVID-19 vaccination certificate for his wife.



https://www.dw.com/en/germany-police-uncover-likely-motive-for-family-slaying/a-60046322
Title: Re: Digital Passports aren't designed for health....
Post by: Anonymous on December 10, 2021, 09:48:07 PM
Quote from: Odinson post_id=430181 time=1639186635 user_id=136
Germany: Police uncover likely motive for family slaying



Authorities now believe the father killed his wife, three children and himself because he feared social services would take his children away. He had been caught forging a COVID-19 vaccination certificate for his wife.



https://www.dw.com/en/germany-police-uncover-likely-motive-for-family-slaying/a-60046322

 :shock:
Title: Re: Digital Passports aren't designed for health....
Post by: Frood on December 11, 2021, 07:27:58 PM
One for Bricktop.... another public resignation, this time from a NT detective....



https://www.bitchute.com/video/vlLLeFgYbrBQ/
Title: Re: Digital Passports aren't designed for health....
Post by: cc on December 11, 2021, 07:58:52 PM
You totalitarian Aussies need to get your sht together
Title: Re: Digital Passports aren't designed for health....
Post by: Bricktop on December 11, 2021, 08:01:14 PM
It's exactly my sentiment.



I would be ashamed of doing what many police officers have to do to enforce utterly wrong and immoral fake laws.
Title: Re: Digital Passports aren't designed for health....
Post by: Anonymous on December 12, 2021, 02:58:36 PM
Quote from: Bricktop post_id=430295 time=1639270874 user_id=1560
It's exactly my sentiment.



I would be ashamed of doing what many police officers have to do to enforce utterly wrong and immoral fake laws.

My brother is a policeman......he doesn't have to enforce restrictions..



But, his province has never had restrictions as harsh as Australia has.
Title: Re: Digital Passports aren't designed for health....
Post by: Bricktop on December 12, 2021, 06:31:40 PM
It has to stop. People are getting angrier and angrier, and police officers frequently bear the brunt of their ire when the true architects of this madness are the inept politicians.
Title: Re: Digital Passports aren't designed for health....
Post by: Anonymous on December 12, 2021, 06:38:51 PM
Quote from: Bricktop post_id=430398 time=1639351900 user_id=1560
It has to stop. People are getting angrier and angrier, and police officers frequently bear the brunt of their ire when the true architects of this madness are the inept politicians.

I'm sure Austalia's police officers don't want to enforce COVID rules.
Title: Re: Digital Passports aren't designed for health....
Post by: Bricktop on December 12, 2021, 06:52:50 PM
I'm equally certain they find it onerous and not conducive to good community relations.
Title: Re: Digital Passports aren't designed for health....
Post by: Anonymous on December 12, 2021, 07:03:55 PM
Quote from: Bricktop post_id=430411 time=1639353170 user_id=1560
I'm equally certain they find it onerous and not conducive to good community relations.

Are a lot of cops resigning like they are in the US?
Title: Re: Digital Passports aren't designed for health....
Post by: Bricktop on December 12, 2021, 08:09:23 PM
I believe so.



But I don't think they are quitting in quite the same proportions as the US.



Freud aside, Australians still respect and trust their police agencies.
Title: Re: Digital Passports aren't designed for health....
Post by: cc on December 12, 2021, 08:22:35 PM
It would be and in fact is foolish to blame / take frustrations with Govt policy out on coppers who enforce, not make rules



But not everyone thinks things through logically and merely react as against act responsibly and smart.



As for Freud, it's basic ... a mere excuse and opportunity to curse the  coppers he hates. He doesn't want rights - he wants to be free of all societal rules and all authority
Title: Re: Digital Passports aren't designed for health....
Post by: Bricktop on December 12, 2021, 08:34:40 PM
I doubt anyone takes him seriously. I know I don't.
Title: Re: Digital Passports aren't designed for health....
Post by: cc on December 12, 2021, 08:40:00 PM
Good point. Anything from him could be pure troll
Title: Re: Digital Passports aren't designed for health....
Post by: Frood on December 12, 2021, 08:51:53 PM
Quote from: Bricktop post_id=430438 time=1639357763 user_id=1560
I believe so.



But I don't think they are quitting in quite the same proportions as the US.



Freud aside, Australians still respect and trust their police agencies.


Bull fucking shit.... cops are considered scum here. Nobody likes or respects coppers.



Most people would leave a cop to die rather than offer aid.



....for good reason.
Title: Re: Digital Passports aren't designed for health....
Post by: Frood on December 12, 2021, 08:53:03 PM
Quote from: Bricktop post_id=430442 time=1639359280 user_id=1560
I doubt anyone takes him seriously. I know I don't.


I'll let Pantywaste know how you feel...
Title: Re: Digital Passports aren't designed for health....
Post by: Bricktop on December 12, 2021, 11:00:53 PM
Another of your failed trolls.
Title: Re: Digital Passports aren't designed for health....
Post by: Frood on December 12, 2021, 11:02:21 PM
You were pretty smitten at the time....
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