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Yet people here have very strong opinions about American politics.



Perhaps MORE non Americans should realise that America is not our best friend.

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See DD, I'm not the only one who feels Bricktop presents his side well.

He's a lot more rational than some of those debating him.

No-one seems to be debating me.

I don't think any of us have strong opinions on the issue of gun control in the USA, besides yourself and Dinky..



Which is odd since neither of you live in the USA.

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See DD, I'm not the only one who feels Bricktop presents his side well.

He's a lot more rational than some of those debating him.

No-one seems to be debating me.

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See DD, I'm not the only one who feels Bricktop presents his side well.

He's a lot more rational than some of those debating him.

No-one seems to be debating me.

I'm a generous soul.

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See DD, I'm not the only one who feels Bricktop presents his side well.

He's a lot more rational than some of those debating him.

No-one seems to be debating me.

I'm a generous soul.

Ya, you are Okie and that's why old Herman loves ya. Now if you could see the shit those frickin badgers cause to my farm you would understand why I need my rifles.

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He's a lot more rational than some of those debating him.

No-one seems to be debating me.

I'm a generous soul.

Ya, you are Okie and that's why old Herman loves ya. Now if you could see the shit those frickin badgers cause to my farm you would understand why I need my rifles.

I have no quarrel with anyone that lives on a farm, or another rural area, that needs both protection from animal and human predators.

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Ya, you are Okie and that's why old Herman loves ya. Now if you could see the shit those frickin badgers cause to my farm you would understand why I need my rifles.

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Remove the assault rifles and machine pistols ...keep the handguns.

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Remove the assault rifles and machine pistols ...keep the handguns.

And what will that achieve?

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Ya, you are Okie and that's why old Herman loves ya. Now if you could see the shit those frickin badgers cause to my farm you would understand why I need my rifles.

Nothing I've said would disbar people with a genuine need for a firearm, including primary producers, from possessing one.

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Self-preservation. South Africa, like America has a lot of street crime and home invasion. Arming honest law-abiding citizens makes perfect sense. But gun education is paramount. I legally carried a gun at 17 years of course, and I couldn't see a 21 year young Aussie these days having the same responsibility as I had...that's for sure.



It's relative to the violence. Australia is like God's country by comparison.

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Ya, you are Okie and that's why old Herman loves ya. Now if you could see the shit those frickin badgers cause to my farm you would understand why I need my rifles.

Nothing I've said would disbar people with a genuine need for a firearm, including primary producers, from possessing one.

I think we're finally reaching common ground.

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Ya, you are Okie and that's why old Herman loves ya. Now if you could see the shit those frickin badgers cause to my farm you would understand why I need my rifles.

Nothing I've said would disbar people with a genuine need for a firearm, including primary producers, from possessing one.

I think we're finally reaching common ground.

I'm pretty sure I've been clear that I am no advocate for the complete removal of firearms, and that there are substantial reasons for their possession in some areas, particularly in primary production. I have no problem at all with that.

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OK...but I haven't noticed flared tempers, other than Freud's infantile tantrums...but they hardly count as contributions to reasoned discussion.

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OK...but I haven't noticed flared tempers, other than Freud's infantile tantrums...but they hardly count as contributions to reasoned discussion.

Old Herman's behaviour has been perfect. :43(2):

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OK...but I haven't noticed flared tempers, other than Freud's infantile tantrums...but they hardly count as contributions to reasoned discussion.

Old Herman's behaviour has been perfect. :43(2):

Dude, if we liven in the same town we'd be the greatest of buddies!!!



 ac_drinks

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Hell, I might have even shared a thimble of my finest swish with you.

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Self-preservation. South Africa, like America has a lot of street crime and home invasion. Arming honest law-abiding citizens makes perfect sense. But gun education is paramount. I legally carried a gun at 17 years of course, and I couldn't see a 21 year young Aussie these days having the same responsibility as I had...that's for sure.



It's relative to the violence. Australia is like God's country by comparison.

Interesting.



Perhaps this explains the following; "A more alarming finding for South Africans is that the country was found to have the second highest rate of gun-related deaths in the world at 9.4 deaths per 100,000 people."



//https://businesstech.co.za/news/government/91284/south-africa-is-the-second-worst-country-for-gun-deaths-in-the-world/



Again, further evidence to the proposition that the more "legal" guns a country has, the higher the rate of gun related deaths.



It seems to elude gun proponents that the ONLY source of weapons available to "criminals" and the deranged is from the stockpile of "legally" owned and acquired guns, unless, of course, there exists somewhere in the world a gun manufacturer that produces weapons for villains and misfits only.



South Africa is hardly a shining example of gun control and certainly no case for the argument that arming people ensures greater protection.

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Self-preservation. South Africa, like America has a lot of street crime and home invasion. Arming honest law-abiding citizens makes perfect sense. But gun education is paramount. I legally carried a gun at 17 years of course, and I couldn't see a 21 year young Aussie these days having the same responsibility as I had...that's for sure.



It's relative to the violence. Australia is like God's country by comparison.

Interesting.



Perhaps this explains the following; "A more alarming finding for South Africans is that the country was found to have the second highest rate of gun-related deaths in the world at 9.4 deaths per 100,000 people."



//https://businesstech.co.za/news/government/91284/south-africa-is-the-second-worst-country-for-gun-deaths-in-the-world/



Again, further evidence to the proposition that the more "legal" guns a country has, the higher the rate of gun related deaths.



It seems to elude gun proponents that the ONLY source of weapons available to "criminals" and the deranged is from the stockpile of "legally" owned and acquired guns, unless, of course, there exists somewhere in the world a gun manufacturer that produces weapons for villains and misfits only.



South Africa is hardly a shining example of gun control and certainly no case for the argument that arming people ensures greater protection.

I'm talking in my day, Apartheid, which was dismantled in 93' to 94'. The current government in power, ANC, was a former terrorist and has effectively driven South Africa into the mud. Most of the crime in South Africa are committed by black South Africans. I'm not been racist, but rather factual. I don't beat around the bush. Crime is rife there today because of an incompetent and corrupt government...the legacy left by the late terrorist and arsehole, Nelson Mandela.

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There was another mass shooting, this time at a medical centre in Oklahoma..



Four people are dead including the gunman.

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The firearm, yet another AR 15, was legally acquired.



The gunman slaughtered 4 people because of "back pain".



This is the lunacy and utterly deranged response of American politicians;



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uM3pMT9ADJ4



Do you still trust this demented and unhinged country?

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I'm talking in my day, Apartheid, which was dismantled in 93' to 94'. The current government in power, ANC, was a former terrorist and has effectively driven South Africa into the mud. Most of the crime in South Africa are committed by black South Africans. I'm not been racist, but rather factual. I don't beat around the bush. Crime is rife there today because of an incompetent and corrupt government...the legacy left by the late terrorist and arsehole, Nelson Mandela.

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No more than my own.

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No more than my own.

Harsh judgment. Whilst I recognise that Canada has some problems with its current government, I've not seen evidence of broad scale corruption, deceit and criminal conduct at high levels that we witness in the US.



Australia, too, has its issues. Every country does. But we are a far cry from the collapsing bastion of America.

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Sad. I'm rather pleased someone like Trudeau isn't our PM.



But since Albanese won the election, we maybe won't have to wait long.

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Sad. I'm rather pleased someone like Trudeau isn't our PM.



But since Albanese won the election, we maybe won't have to wait long.

I read climate change was at the top of the list of what Australian voters want addressed..



After seven years of Justin Trudeau's climate hysteria, life will get more expensive for Australians if your PM elect follows what Justin Trudeau has done.

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I'm talking in my day, Apartheid, which was dismantled in 93' to 94'. The current government in power, ANC, was a former terrorist and has effectively driven South Africa into the mud. Most of the crime in South Africa are committed by black South Africans. I'm not been racist, but rather factual. I don't beat around the bush. Crime is rife there today because of an incompetent and corrupt government...the legacy left by the late terrorist and arsehole, Nelson Mandela.

OK. Sorry. Misunderstood.



I think the plight of an ANC governed South Africa is well known. The breakdown of law and order, public utilities and rampant corruption are there for all the world to see.



I suspect that at some point South Africa will emulate Zimbabwe despite the wealth and high living standards created by white South Africa (mostly for the whites it must be said).



But it seems South Africa is no longer a first world country, but a borderline third world basket case.



America is a first world country proclaiming itself superior to all others. It may be hard to convince THEM otherwise, but it behests all other nations to adopt a realistic attitude in its relationship with it. If it cannot be trusted to be honest with its own people, it sure as shiny shit cannot be trusted to be honest with other nations, friend or foe.

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South Africa pioneered the mercury based briefcase nuke... targeted medium explosion, much death, no radioactivity after a few weeks.



A number of them were never accounted for.... their payloads would have decayed by now, but the units can and are probably refitted and in the hands of unknown entities.... private and government.



But that's government for ya.... on top of shit until they're not.

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So, to all the gun proponents out there...how do you keep guns from the hands of criminals before they commit criminal actions?



 ac_umm

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Why not simply ban firearms from private possession without some form of justification, such as primary producers?



Why do you NEED guns?



 ac_dunno

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My Australian friend, here in my country, weapons are hard to come by.



And yet, even with 30% less people than the US, we kill twice as much



Not uncommon to see people dying in robberies from weapons made with simple tools like drills and materials like steel cylinders



Or rusty old weapons from 120 years ago, but all you need is one shot



My guess is that mass shootings will diminish if the US gets disarmed like we we got



But you'll see a huge increase in crimes. Criminals will be more brazen and they'll shoot for nothing, like it happens here all the time



The other day some wacko set fire on a bunch of children in a daycare



But I have to say, these events are rare. Mass shootings here happen, but they're usually gang related. But ask me if I feel safer because of that fact.



Banning weapons while talking about disbanding the police departments, going completely lax on criminals, liberal judges and prosecutors.



Please don't tell me you can see any good in that recipe.

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My Australian friend, here in my country, weapons are hard to come by.



And yet, even with 30% less people than the US, we kill twice as much



Not uncommon to see people dying in robberies from weapons made with simple tools like drills and materials like steel cylinders



Or rusty old weapons from 120 years ago, but all you need is one shot



My guess is that mass shootings will diminish if the US gets disarmed like we we got



But you'll see a huge increase in crimes. Criminals will be more brazen and they'll shoot for nothing, like it happens here all the time



The other day some wacko set fire on a bunch of children in a daycare



But I have to say, these events are rare. Mass shootings here happen, but they're usually gang related. But ask me if I feel safer because of that fact.



Banning weapons while talking about disbanding the police departments, going completely lax on criminals, liberal judges and prosecutors.



Please don't tell me you can see any good in that recipe.

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My Australian friend, here in my country, weapons are hard to come by.



And yet, even with 30% less people than the US, we kill twice as much



Not uncommon to see people dying in robberies from weapons made with simple tools like drills and materials like steel cylinders



Or rusty old weapons from 120 years ago, but all you need is one shot



My guess is that mass shootings will diminish if the US gets disarmed like we we got



But you'll see a huge increase in crimes. Criminals will be more brazen and they'll shoot for nothing, like it happens here all the time



The other day some wacko set fire on a bunch of children in a daycare



But I have to say, these events are rare. Mass shootings here happen, but they're usually gang related. But ask me if I feel safer because of that fact.



Banning weapons while talking about disbanding the police departments, going completely lax on criminals, liberal judges and prosecutors.



Please don't tell me you can see any good in that recipe.

I knew that. I have been to Brazil.



What do you think of this Bricktop?

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My Australian friend, here in my country, weapons are hard to come by.



And yet, even with 30% less people than the US, we kill twice as much



Not uncommon to see people dying in robberies from weapons made with simple tools like drills and materials like steel cylinders



Or rusty old weapons from 120 years ago, but all you need is one shot



My guess is that mass shootings will diminish if the US gets disarmed like we we got



But you'll see a huge increase in crimes. Criminals will be more brazen and they'll shoot for nothing, like it happens here all the time



The other day some wacko set fire on a bunch of children in a daycare



But I have to say, these events are rare. Mass shootings here happen, but they're usually gang related. But ask me if I feel safer because of that fact.



Banning weapons while talking about disbanding the police departments, going completely lax on criminals, liberal judges and prosecutors.



Please don't tell me you can see any good in that recipe.

I knew that. I have been to Brazil.



What do you think of this Bricktop?

To be honest I thought he was Breakfall until today



I'm sorry mang, I don't pay that much attention

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What do you think of this Bricktop?

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What do you think of this Bricktop?

Well, first and foremost I am unfamiliar with Brazil's firearms control laws. Anecdotally, I believe there is much corruption and social discord in the cities...which may explain this...



"It is estimated that there are around 17 million firearms in Brazil,[7] 9 million of which are unregistered.[1] Some 39,000 people died in 2003 from gun-related injuries nationwide.[7] In 2004, the number was 36,000.[1] Brazil has the second largest arms industry in the Western Hemisphere.[8] Approximately 80% of the weapons manufactured in Brazil are exported, mostly to neighboring countries; many of these weapons are then smuggled back into Brazil.[8] Some firearms in Brazil come from police and military arsenals, having either been "stolen or sold by corrupt soldiers and officers."[8]"



//https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_control_in_Brazil



There is nothing in the brief summary above that does not corroborate the view that the more guns available in a nation, the more likely people will be killed by gunfire.



There seems to be another commonality with the US, in that there are socio-economic, cultural and racial divisions that lead to increased violence and conflict. Drugs and drug commerce are probably another factor.



From my perspective, Brazil simply adds evidence to my argument.

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The number of guns is not the issue.



It is the number of DEATHS by guns that is the issue.



And Brazil is a world leader in that respect.



But as I said, gun possession is only one element of people being slaughtered in schools and in the streets.



Social and cultural issues play a part as well.



But let me ask you this...would you give every inmate in an asylum a gun to protect themselves from other inmates?

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America is a bit different from Australia.





If you remove all the firearms, then your house is gonna be invaded by feral, machete wielding joggers.

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Have you lived your entire life in Australia?

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America is a bit different from Australia.





If you remove all the firearms, then your house is gonna be invaded by feral, machete wielding joggers.

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Have you lived your entire life in Australia?

Whilst I'm not seeing a point to this question, the answer is no.

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Hello Bricktop it's coming on winter in Adelaide.

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No offence was taken. I just didn't understand the relevance to the "debate" is all.



Let's just say I've had experience with crime, criminals and guns.

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The murderous mayhem that continues in the US and other places is not confined to "lowly criminals".  The lunatic that shot up the children in school, and the lunatic who killed a Doctor because of "back pain" were not "criminals" until after they committed their crime with AR 15's the law and government allowed to them to acquire because they had a "right to bear arms".