A poster on Vancouver Forum expressed an idea about taxes that I had never before.
My position is that everybody in Canada gets the same services for the taxes that they pay. But why should a high income earner pay more for those same services as a low income earner.
Two men in hospital, one makes $200/yr and the other makes $40/yr, both getting their appendix taken out, both will receive the exact same treatment and services, except the higher income earner paid more for his service. Is that fair??
Why is it that discrimination is considered to be so bad except when it come to high income earners??
Oh, he's a high income earner, let the fkr pay a higher rate!! Why is that??
So why don't we extend this discrimination practice even further.
Supposed you go to a restaurant for a steak sandwich, and because you are a high income earner you should pay more for that sandwich so that lard ass can also enjoy the same steak sandwich as you but because he is a low income earner he should pay less for the sandwich.
Or what about groceries, should lard ass be entitled to the same groceries as you? So you should pay more and he would pay less but in the end, you both would have the same quality of groceries!! Fair??
Is this the kind of selective discrimination society you would like to see Loch??
No, my position is that if you live in Canada, everybody pays exactly the same fixed tax amount, say as a starter $20k/yr. With this amount your entitled to exactly the same service as everybody else.
No more discrimination based on income earned !!
I really don't know what to say about this?
Ms. Real Woman, Mr. Obvious Li, Ms. Renee, Shen Li any thoughts about this?
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My position is that everybody in Canada gets the same services for the taxes that they pay. But why should a high income earner pay more for those same services as a low income earner.
Two men in hospital, one makes $200/yr and the other makes $40/yr, both getting their appendix taken out, both will receive the exact same treatment and services, except the higher income earner paid more for his service. Is that fair??
Why is it that discrimination is considered to be so bad except when it come to high income earners??
Oh, he's a high income earner, let the fkr pay a higher rate!! Why is that??
So why don't we extend this discrimination practice even further.
Supposed you go to a restaurant for a steak sandwich, and because you are a high income earner you should pay more for that sandwich so that lard ass can also enjoy the same steak sandwich as you but because he is a low income earner he should pay less for the sandwich.
Or what about groceries, should lard ass be entitled to the same groceries as you? So you should pay more and he would pay less but in the end, you both would have the same quality of groceries!! Fair??
Is this the kind of selective discrimination society you would like to see Loch??
No, my position is that if you live in Canada, everybody pays exactly the same fixed tax amount, say as a starter $20k/yr. With this amount your entitled to exactly the same service as everybody else.
No more discrimination based on income earned !!
I really don't know what to say about this?
Ms. Real Woman, Mr. Obvious Li, Ms. Renee, Shen Li any thoughts about this?
yes a million of them......start with this concept..
There is only ONE fair tax and that is a consumption tax...we should be taxed on what we consume........in other words the fairest tax would be to put the GST at 15% to 18% and completely do away with income tax.....you would rebate x amount of dollars to low in come earners......generally speaking individuals making less than 20K (families 30K) a year should pay no tax......this would pretty much do away with accountants and people would no longer need to cheat on their taxes or hide income......15% to 18% on ALL goods and services would more than offset all the income tax collected. Start there....next make corporate taxes zero..........do those two things and life would be livable again in this country.........
RW...any comments you make on taxation have NO validity and are generally crapola
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My position is that everybody in Canada gets the same services for the taxes that they pay. But why should a high income earner pay more for those same services as a low income earner.
Two men in hospital, one makes $200/yr and the other makes $40/yr, both getting their appendix taken out, both will receive the exact same treatment and services, except the higher income earner paid more for his service. Is that fair??
Why is it that discrimination is considered to be so bad except when it come to high income earners??
Oh, he's a high income earner, let the fkr pay a higher rate!! Why is that??
So why don't we extend this discrimination practice even further.
Supposed you go to a restaurant for a steak sandwich, and because you are a high income earner you should pay more for that sandwich so that lard ass can also enjoy the same steak sandwich as you but because he is a low income earner he should pay less for the sandwich.
Or what about groceries, should lard ass be entitled to the same groceries as you? So you should pay more and he would pay less but in the end, you both would have the same quality of groceries!! Fair??
Is this the kind of selective discrimination society you would like to see Loch??
No, my position is that if you live in Canada, everybody pays exactly the same fixed tax amount, say as a starter $20k/yr. With this amount your entitled to exactly the same service as everybody else.
No more discrimination based on income earned !!
I really don't know what to say about this?
Ms. Real Woman, Mr. Obvious Li, Ms. Renee, Shen Li any thoughts about this?
yes a million of them......start with this concept..
There is only ONE fair tax and that is a consumption tax...we should be taxed on what we consume........in other words the fairest tax would be to put the GST at 15% to 18% and completely do away with income tax.....you would rebate x amount of dollars to low in come earners......generally speaking individuals making less than 20K (families 30K) a year should pay no tax......this would pretty much do away with accountants and people would no longer need to cheat on their taxes or hide income......15% to 18% on ALL goods and services would more than offset all the income tax collected. Start there....next make corporate taxes zero..........do those two things and life would be livable again in this country.........
RW...any comments you make on taxation have NO validity and are generally crapola
Thank you very much for posting that Mr. Obvious Li..
Also very interesting idea.
Quote from: "Fashionista"
My position is that everybody in Canada gets the same services for the taxes that they pay. But why should a high income earner pay more for those same services as a low income earner.
Two men in hospital, one makes $200/yr and the other makes $40/yr, both getting their appendix taken out, both will receive the exact same treatment and services, except the higher income earner paid more for his service. Is that fair??
Why is it that discrimination is considered to be so bad except when it come to high income earners??
Oh, he's a high income earner, let the fkr pay a higher rate!! Why is that??
So why don't we extend this discrimination practice even further.
Supposed you go to a restaurant for a steak sandwich, and because you are a high income earner you should pay more for that sandwich so that lard ass can also enjoy the same steak sandwich as you but because he is a low income earner he should pay less for the sandwich.
Or what about groceries, should lard ass be entitled to the same groceries as you? So you should pay more and he would pay less but in the end, you both would have the same quality of groceries!! Fair??
Is this the kind of selective discrimination society you would like to see Loch??
No, my position is that if you live in Canada, everybody pays exactly the same fixed tax amount, say as a starter $20k/yr. With this amount your entitled to exactly the same service as everybody else.
No more discrimination based on income earned !!
I really don't know what to say about this?
Ms. Real Woman, Mr. Obvious Li, Ms. Renee, Shen Li any thoughts about this?
Charging Canadians a flat rate for government services is crazy. I would like to see flatter, simpler taxes.
Quote from: "Obvious Li"
There is only ONE fair tax and that is a consumption tax...we should be taxed on what we consume........in other words the fairest tax would be to put the GST at 15% to 18% and completely do away with income tax.....you would rebate x amount of dollars to low in come earners......generally speaking individuals making less than 20K (families 30K) a year should pay no tax......this would pretty much do away with accountants and people would no longer need to cheat on their taxes or hide income......15% to 18% on ALL goods and services would more than offset all the income tax collected. Start there....next make corporate taxes zero..........do those two things and life would be livable again in this country.........
Yep, consumption are the best form of evil. Broaden the base, so you can lower the amount collected.
Corporate taxes are the dumbest idea ever created which is why most G-20 countries(save the USA) have lowered their corporate taxes. Get rid of income taxes too. Consumption taxes also have the added benefit of encouraging savings.
Start making the chugabooze pay for all the stuff they currently get for free. That would be a good place to begin with some fairness.
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Privileges based on ethnicity are a valid complaint, but a separate issue from tax reform.
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Privileges based on ethnicity are a valid complaint, but a separate issue from tax reform.
Are you saying you agree with at least part of what Gary Oak wrote?
:o
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Privileges based on ethnicity are a valid complaint, but a separate issue from tax reform.
Are you saying you agree with at least part of what Gary Oak wrote?
:o
Oh ffs, Oak is trolling as usual. He doesn't know anything about the tax code and obviously can't contribute anything either other than idiotic racial slurs and misleading generalizations.
My tax-percent is way higher than that of a person whom 1500e/month.
So technically I´m paying wayyy more for government funded stuff like medical-care of which I dont even use that much. Not as much as a no-use retard whom is never gonna work.
lol
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So technically I´m paying wayyy more for government funded stuff like medical-care of which I dont even use that much. Not as much as a no-use retard whom is never gonna work.
lol
So-called progressive taxation is actually quite regressive.
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So technically I´m paying wayyy more for government funded stuff like medical-care of which I dont even use that much. Not as much as a no-use retard whom is never gonna work.
lol
So-called progressive taxation is actually quite regressive.
But I´m thinking "what if"...
What if I get a injured to the head and my IQ lowers from 241 to 141... I cant expect any1 to take care of me.
What if you get terminally injured, ShenLI?
Whos gonna take care of you?
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Whos gonna take care of you?
I sure as fuck know it will NOT be anyone on these forums.
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So technically I´m paying wayyy more for government funded stuff like medical-care of which I dont even use that much. Not as much as a no-use retard whom is never gonna work.
lol
So-called progressive taxation is actually quite regressive.
But I´m thinking "what if"...
What if I get a injured to the head and my IQ lowers from
More like 80 to 60.
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So-called progressive taxation is actually quite regressive.
But I´m thinking "what if"...
What if I get a injured to the head and my IQ lowers from
More like 80 to 60.
That's being generous.
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Whos gonna take care of you?
I sure as fuck know it will NOT be anyone on these forums.
You mean I would leave you to rot? Youuu stupid bitch.
Typical female bullshit... You chicks think too much and that creates very weird scenarios in your head.
You think I havent met any nay-sayers in real-life? Get real, honey.
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Whos gonna take care of you?
I sure as fuck know it will NOT be anyone on these forums.
I think I understand the point you are making Shen Li..
My husband and I are not counting on anyone outside our family coming to our aid if we had a sudden catastrophic illness..
It is very important that we live within our means and save for unforeseen events.
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Whos gonna take care of you?
I sure as fuck know it will NOT be anyone on these forums.
I think I understand the point you are making Shen Li..
My husband and I are not counting on anyone outside our family coming to our aid if we had a sudden catastrophic illness..
It is very important that we live within our means and save for unforeseen events.
thats smart....don't count on anybody else......save 10-20% and you will retire very very comfortably........just be diligent and disciplined and the magic works......put the 10% you are giving to church in your pocket and that will help as well......your welcome
I have money in woods... Pine.
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I sure as fuck know it will NOT be anyone on these forums.
I think I understand the point you are making Shen Li..
My husband and I are not counting on anyone outside our family coming to our aid if we had a sudden catastrophic illness..
It is very important that we live within our means and save for unforeseen events.
thats smart....don't count on anybody else......save 10-20% and you will retire very very comfortably........just be diligent and disciplined and the magic works......put the 10% you are giving to church in your pocket and that will help as well......your welcome
Haha, I think if Fash was starving, but had $100 left that brownie would find it's way into the collection plate and not food for herself.
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I think I understand the point you are making Shen Li..
My husband and I are not counting on anyone outside our family coming to our aid if we had a sudden catastrophic illness..
It is very important that we live within our means and save for unforeseen events.
thats smart....don't count on anybody else......save 10-20% and you will retire very very comfortably........just be diligent and disciplined and the magic works......put the 10% you are giving to church in your pocket and that will help as well......your welcome
Haha, I think if Fash was starving, but had $100 left that brownie would find it's way into the collection plate and not food for herself.
I think of survival of myself and my family. Illogical to have your family die because another mans family needs food.
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thats smart....don't count on anybody else......save 10-20% and you will retire very very comfortably........just be diligent and disciplined and the magic works......put the 10% you are giving to church in your pocket and that will help as well......your welcome
Haha, I think if Fash was starving, but had $100 left that brownie would find it's way into the collection plate and not food for herself.
I think of survival of myself and my family. Illogical to have your family die because another mans family needs food.
It's not always about logic, Oddball. Sometimes it needs to be tempered with some compassion, cooperation, and charity.
You do for me; I do for you.
Do you understand how that works?
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Haha, I think if Fash was starving, but had $100 left that brownie would find it's way into the collection plate and not food for herself.
I think of survival of myself and my family. Illogical to have your family die because another mans family needs food.
It's not always about logic, Oddball. Sometimes it needs to be tempered with some compassion, cooperation, and charity.
You do for me; I do for you.
Do you understand how that works?
OK, fair enough Renee. I agree good citizenship is obviously important. However, not planning for one's own future is suicidal.
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Haha, I think if Fash was starving, but had $100 left that brownie would find it's way into the collection plate and not food for herself.
I think of survival of myself and my family. Illogical to have your family die because another mans family needs food.
It's not always about logic, Oddball. Sometimes it needs to be tempered with some compassion, cooperation, and charity.
You do for me; I do for you.
Do you understand how that works?
Yea i have cooperated with them as long theres mutual gain involved.
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I sure as fuck know it will NOT be anyone on these forums.
I think I understand the point you are making Shen Li..
My husband and I are not counting on anyone outside our family coming to our aid if we had a sudden catastrophic illness..
It is very important that we live within our means and save for unforeseen events.
thats smart....don't count on anybody else......save 10-20% and you will retire very very comfortably........just be diligent and disciplined and the magic works......
Hello Mr. Obvious Li and thank you for the advice..
But tithing is what keeps us healthy, a roof over our heads and food on the table..
The Lord always provides and he let's us keep 90% of what we earn, but the first 10% is for the church.
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Haha, I think if Fash was starving, but had $100 left that brownie would find it's way into the collection plate and not food for herself.
I think of survival of myself and my family. Illogical to have your family die because another mans family needs food.
It's not always about logic, Oddball. Sometimes it needs to be tempered with some compassion, cooperation, and charity.
You do for me; I do for you.
Do you understand how that works?
Atleast you use proper english as opposed to americans I have spoken with.
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I think I understand the point you are making Shen Li..
My husband and I are not counting on anyone outside our family coming to our aid if we had a sudden catastrophic illness..
It is very important that we live within our means and save for unforeseen events.
thats smart....don't count on anybody else......save 10-20% and you will retire very very comfortably........just be diligent and disciplined and the magic works......
Hello Mr. Obvious Li and thank you for the advice..
But tithing is what keeps us healthy, a roof over our heads and food on the table..
The Lord always provides and he let's us keep 90% of what we earn, but the first 10% is for the church.
you ahould join the anglicans i think they settled on 5%......or better yet for 10% of $181,000 i will personally come to your house...preach you a dandy sermon, hear your confession AND forgive any and all your sins....now that is an offer you should jump on....... :ugeek:
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Quote from: "Obvious Li"
thats smart....don't count on anybody else......save 10-20% and you will retire very very comfortably........just be diligent and disciplined and the magic works......
Hello Mr. Obvious Li and thank you for the advice..
But tithing is what keeps us healthy, a roof over our heads and food on the table..
The Lord always provides and he let's us keep 90% of what we earn, but the first 10% is for the church.
you ahould join the anglicans i think they settled on 5%......or better yet for 10% of $181,000 i will personally come to your house...preach you a dandy sermon, hear your confession AND forgive any and all your sins....now that is an offer you should jump on....... :ugeek:
Oh you are so very funny Pastor Obvious Li..
:lol:
Thank you for the offer and I will discuss it with my husband if and when we are not happy fellowshipping where we are now.
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I think of survival of myself and my family. Illogical to have your family die because another mans family needs food.
It's not always about logic, Oddball. Sometimes it needs to be tempered with some compassion, cooperation, and charity.
You do for me; I do for you.
Do you understand how that works?
Atleast you use proper english as opposed to americans I have spoken with.
"Atleast" is spelled with two words (at least) you fucking douche canoe.
Hows that for proper "English"?
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Hows that for proper "English"?
Yeah, that works.
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It's not always about logic, Oddball. Sometimes it needs to be tempered with some compassion, cooperation, and charity.
You do for me; I do for you.
Do you understand how that works?
Atleast you use proper english as opposed to americans I have spoken with.
"Atleast" is spelled with two words (at least) you fucking douche canoe.
Hows that for proper "English"?
Oh excuse me..."Add least" was it?
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thats smart....don't count on anybody else......save 10-20% and you will retire very very comfortably........just be diligent and disciplined and the magic works......
Hello Mr. Obvious Li and thank you for the advice..
But tithing is what keeps us healthy, a roof over our heads and food on the table..
The Lord always provides and he let's us keep 90% of what we earn, but the first 10% is for the church.
you ahould join the anglicans i think they settled on 5%......or better yet for 10% of $181,000 i will personally come to your house...preach you a dandy sermon, hear your confession AND forgive any and all your sins....now that is an offer you should jump on....... :ugeek:
I think giving 10% is a requirement for membership in the Mormon temples.
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Hello Mr. Obvious Li and thank you for the advice..
But tithing is what keeps us healthy, a roof over our heads and food on the table..
The Lord always provides and he let's us keep 90% of what we earn, but the first 10% is for the church.
you ahould join the anglicans i think they settled on 5%......or better yet for 10% of $181,000 i will personally come to your house...preach you a dandy sermon, hear your confession AND forgive any and all your sins....now that is an offer you should jump on....... :ugeek:
I think giving 10% is a requirement for membership in the Mormon temples.
That's what tithing is.
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Quote from: "Obvious Li"
you ahould join the anglicans i think they settled on 5%......or better yet for 10% of $181,000 i will personally come to your house...preach you a dandy sermon, hear your confession AND forgive any and all your sins....now that is an offer you should jump on....... :ugeek:
I think giving 10% is a requirement for membership in the Mormon temples.
That's what tithing is.
What the fuck do they do with all that money?
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I think giving 10% is a requirement for membership in the Mormon temples.
That's what tithing is.
What the fuck do they do with all that money?
They have bills to pay just like any organization with a building to maintain and professional staff..
This was in Christianity Today a long time ago..
20 percent for facilities (rent, mortgage, utilities, upkeep)
16 percent for missions
9 percent for church programs
6 percent for administration and supplies
3 percent for denominational fees
3 percent other