Title: Rex Murphy: How are Alberta and Quebec treated differently? Let me count the ways
Post by: cc on December 17, 2021, 12:23:09 PM
Post by: cc on December 17, 2021, 12:23:09 PM
Citizens of Alberta will find this a convenient tip sheet for when they attend their next protest
A woman takes part in a pro-pipeline rally outside the Alberta legislature in Edmonton in a file photo from April 12, 2018. The Trudeau Liberals go to great lengths to preserve jobs in Quebec, but not so in Alberta, writes Rex Murphy.
As a public service I have herein drawn up a concise — some might even say terse — table of the most explicit contrasts between Alberta and Quebec.
There is nothing new here, but as an aid to easy reference and quick digestion it is my hope it will prove of some utility.
• Alberta signed the Canadian Constitution. Quebec did not sign the Canadian Constitution.
• Quebec believes it can amend the Constitution even if it affects other provinces. Alberta accepts that it can't.
• Quebec can import oil from Saudi Arabia. Alberta can export oil from Canada only with great difficulty.
• Quebec regularly sends a band of separatist politicians to the national Parliament. Alberta hasn't started doing that. Yet.
• And the most significant contrast: Quebec is a nation. Alberta is a province (so far).
• Quebec is a recipient of federal equalization money. Alberta is a giver of federal equalization money.
• In Quebec the federal government does all it can to help that province's economy. Jobs. Jobs. Jobs. (See SNC-Lavalin.) In Alberta the frequently proclaimed goal of the federal government is to shut down the province's largest industry, and until that is accomplished, to box in its resources and carbon-tax the living daylights out of them.
Now let us go on to more narrow territory, a particular. Quebec can and has reassigned a teacher for wearing a hijab. It has created quite a storm because this action is seen as discrimination on the grounds of religion.
Prime Minister Justin Trudeau wishes to remain out of this battle, off the field, a spectator.
On this differential, here are the prime minister's words: While he is "deeply" opposed to Bill 21, his government "won't step into the legal challenge taking place in Quebec in order to avoid triggering a fight with the province over jurisdiction."
Title: Re: Rex Murphy: How are Alberta and Quebec treated differently? Let me count the ways
Post by: cc on December 17, 2021, 12:25:47 PM
Post by: cc on December 17, 2021, 12:25:47 PM
Speculative — a Scenario)
Alberta reassigns a teacher for wearing a hijab.
Trudeau calls in the army, every human rights commission in the country, appeals to the UN, launches a countrywide tour to condemn the "anti-Islamic tactic," and pleads with the International Court at the Hague to intervene.
(Still speculative, but pretty sure the following are the words he would say.)
The prime minister says he is "deeply" opposed to Alberta's Bill 21, that this action cannot not take place "in the Canada I lead, and where all Canadians agree with me that diversity is our greatest strength."
His government will be leading the legal challenge taking place "to trigger a fight with Alberta over this entirely regressive and shameful action."
Title: Re: Rex Murphy: How are Alberta and Quebec treated differently? Let me count the ways
Post by: Anonymous on December 17, 2021, 12:49:27 PM
Post by: Anonymous on December 17, 2021, 12:49:27 PM
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Citizens of Alberta will find this a convenient tip sheet for when they attend their next protest(//%3C/s%3E%3CURL%20url=%22https://smartcdn.prod.postmedia.digital/nationalpost/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/Alberta-protest.jpg?quality=90&strip=all&w=472&h=354&type=webp%22%3E%3CLINK_TEXT%20text=%22https://smartcdn.prod.postmedia.digital%20...%20&type=webp%22%3Ehttps://smartcdn.prod.postmedia.digital/nationalpost/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/Alberta-protest.jpg?quality=90&strip=all&w=472&h=354&type=webp%3C/LINK_TEXT%3E%3C/URL%3E%3Ce%3E)
A woman takes part in a pro-pipeline rally outside the Alberta legislature in Edmonton in a file photo from April 12, 2018. The Trudeau Liberals go to great lengths to preserve jobs in Quebec, but not so in Alberta, writes Rex Murphy.
As a public service I have herein drawn up a concise — some might even say terse — table of the most explicit contrasts between Alberta and Quebec.
There is nothing new here, but as an aid to easy reference and quick digestion it is my hope it will prove of some utility.
• Alberta signed the Canadian Constitution. Quebec did not sign the Canadian Constitution.
• Quebec believes it can amend the Constitution even if it affects other provinces. Alberta accepts that it can't.
• Quebec can import oil from Saudi Arabia. Alberta can export oil from Canada only with great difficulty.
• Quebec regularly sends a band of separatist politicians to the national Parliament. Alberta hasn't started doing that. Yet.
• And the most significant contrast: Quebec is a nation. Alberta is a province (so far).
• Quebec is a recipient of federal equalization money. Alberta is a giver of federal equalization money.
• In Quebec the federal government does all it can to help that province's economy. Jobs. Jobs. Jobs. (See SNC-Lavalin.) In Alberta the frequently proclaimed goal of the federal government is to shut down the province's largest industry, and until that is accomplished, to box in its resources and carbon-tax the living daylights out of them.
Pierre Trudeau used to say screw the West, I'll take the rest. His son carries on that nation breaking strategy.
Title: Re: Rex Murphy: How are Alberta and Quebec treated differently? Let me count the ways
Post by: Anonymous on December 17, 2021, 01:43:34 PM
Post by: Anonymous on December 17, 2021, 01:43:34 PM
Title: Re: Rex Murphy: How are Alberta and Quebec treated differently? Let me count the ways
Post by: Anonymous on December 18, 2021, 03:23:36 AM
Post by: Anonymous on December 18, 2021, 03:23:36 AM
Rex Murphy: How are Alberta and Quebec treated differently? Let me count the ways(//https)
Citizens of Alberta will find this a convenient tip sheet for when they attend their next protest(//%3C/s%3E%3CURL%20url=%22https://smartcdn.prod.postmedia.digital/nationalpost/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/Alberta-protest.jpg?quality=90&strip=all&w=472&h=354&type=webp%22%3E%3CLINK_TEXT%20text=%22https://smartcdn.prod.postmedia.digital%20...%20&type=webp%22%3Ehttps://smartcdn.prod.postmedia.digital/nationalpost/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/Alberta-protest.jpg?quality=90&strip=all&w=472&h=354&type=webp%3C/LINK_TEXT%3E%3C/URL%3E%3Ce%3E)
A woman takes part in a pro-pipeline rally outside the Alberta legislature in Edmonton in a file photo from April 12, 2018. The Trudeau Liberals go to great lengths to preserve jobs in Quebec, but not so in Alberta, writes Rex Murphy.
As a public service I have herein drawn up a concise — some might even say terse — table of the most explicit contrasts between Alberta and Quebec.
There is nothing new here, but as an aid to easy reference and quick digestion it is my hope it will prove of some utility.
• Alberta signed the Canadian Constitution. Quebec did not sign the Canadian Constitution.
• Quebec believes it can amend the Constitution even if it affects other provinces. Alberta accepts that it can't.
• Quebec can import oil from Saudi Arabia. Alberta can export oil from Canada only with great difficulty.
• Quebec regularly sends a band of separatist politicians to the national Parliament. Alberta hasn't started doing that. Yet.
• And the most significant contrast: Quebec is a nation. Alberta is a province (so far).
• Quebec is a recipient of federal equalization money. Alberta is a giver of federal equalization money.
• In Quebec the federal government does all it can to help that province's economy. Jobs. Jobs. Jobs. (See SNC-Lavalin.) In Alberta the frequently proclaimed goal of the federal government is to shut down the province's largest industry, and until that is accomplished, to box in its resources and carbon-tax the living daylights out of them.
Old Rex is my boy.
Title: Re: Rex Murphy: How are Alberta and Quebec treated differently? Let me count the ways
Post by: Anonymous on December 18, 2021, 01:13:52 PM
Post by: Anonymous on December 18, 2021, 01:13:52 PM
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Citizens of Alberta will find this a convenient tip sheet for when they attend their next protest(//%3C/s%3E%3CURL%20url=%22https://smartcdn.prod.postmedia.digital/nationalpost/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/Alberta-protest.jpg?quality=90&strip=all&w=472&h=354&type=webp%22%3E%3CLINK_TEXT%20text=%22https://smartcdn.prod.postmedia.digital%20...%20&type=webp%22%3Ehttps://smartcdn.prod.postmedia.digital/nationalpost/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/Alberta-protest.jpg?quality=90&strip=all&w=472&h=354&type=webp%3C/LINK_TEXT%3E%3C/URL%3E%3Ce%3E)
A woman takes part in a pro-pipeline rally outside the Alberta legislature in Edmonton in a file photo from April 12, 2018. The Trudeau Liberals go to great lengths to preserve jobs in Quebec, but not so in Alberta, writes Rex Murphy.
As a public service I have herein drawn up a concise — some might even say terse — table of the most explicit contrasts between Alberta and Quebec.
There is nothing new here, but as an aid to easy reference and quick digestion it is my hope it will prove of some utility.
• Alberta signed the Canadian Constitution. Quebec did not sign the Canadian Constitution.
• Quebec believes it can amend the Constitution even if it affects other provinces. Alberta accepts that it can't.
• Quebec can import oil from Saudi Arabia. Alberta can export oil from Canada only with great difficulty.
• Quebec regularly sends a band of separatist politicians to the national Parliament. Alberta hasn't started doing that. Yet.
• And the most significant contrast: Quebec is a nation. Alberta is a province (so far).
• Quebec is a recipient of federal equalization money. Alberta is a giver of federal equalization money.
• In Quebec the federal government does all it can to help that province's economy. Jobs. Jobs. Jobs. (See SNC-Lavalin.) In Alberta the frequently proclaimed goal of the federal government is to shut down the province's largest industry, and until that is accomplished, to box in its resources and carbon-tax the living daylights out of them.
Old Rex is my boy.:thumbup:
I enjoy his editorials too.
Title: Re: Rex Murphy: How are Alberta and Quebec treated differently? Let me count the ways
Post by: Bricktop on December 18, 2021, 05:11:57 PM
Post by: Bricktop on December 18, 2021, 05:11:57 PM
A lot of countries have provinces or regions that have some independent government, but these are more local councils that actual sovereign and independent States.
It seems to be that the glue that holds these Federations together is rapidly deteriorating. States are bound to Federations voluntarily, unlike most other forms of distributed government.
The plague has demonstrated to Australians that this system of governance is antiquated and no longer effective in a modern world. States may be faced with choices unthinkable decades ago. Either dissolve States into a single level of government, or secede. Secession is looking more and more appealing to many.
Title: Re: Rex Murphy: How are Alberta and Quebec treated differently? Let me count the ways
Post by: cc on December 18, 2021, 05:40:38 PM
Post by: cc on December 18, 2021, 05:40:38 PM
Thanks for that info Brick. The plague has opened up new questions for sure
We have Quebec who gets "special" treatment / privilege's which of course has never sat well with the rest of us .. and the dissent is increasing now.
Feds quite realistic fear of loosing votes (= power) from our 2nd largest Province is the only thing that keeps this farce going.
What is not realistic is for other Provinces to like this
Title: Re: Rex Murphy: How are Alberta and Quebec treated differently? Let me count the ways
Post by: Anonymous on December 18, 2021, 07:01:29 PM
Post by: Anonymous on December 18, 2021, 07:01:29 PM
Secession is looking more and more appealing to many.
It sure is in North America. I don't know about Australia. In the case of Canada, we have one province, possibly two that are being forced out.
Title: Re: Rex Murphy: How are Alberta and Quebec treated differently? Let me count the ways
Post by: Bricktop on December 18, 2021, 07:58:58 PM
Post by: Bricktop on December 18, 2021, 07:58:58 PM
The two largest States, Victoria and New South Wales seem comfortable with the status quo, but have enough population that they could conceivably merge into a single sovereign nation, with Queensland a possible addition, creating a single nation along Australia's east coast. This would then draw Tasmania into that collation as well. Canberra will be absorbed into New South Wales.
That would leave the vast and largely inhabitable central and western States to survive on their own. With a combined total of about 3 million people in what would be the largest sections of the country (well over half the geographical dimensions of the continent) they simply wouldn't survive.
Title: Re: Rex Murphy: How are Alberta and Quebec treated differently? Let me count the ways
Post by: cc on December 18, 2021, 08:15:29 PM
Post by: cc on December 18, 2021, 08:15:29 PM
That would leave the vast and largely inhabitable central and western States to survive on their own. With a combined total of about 3 million people in what would be the largest sections of the country (well over half the geographical dimensions of the continent) they simply wouldn't survive.
That makes a lot of sense. The area is huge and I assume not wealthy
We had 2 close calls with Quebec ... and I was hoping hard that they would choose to leave .. last was a fractional fail & the only thing that even kept it close was massive cash from outsiders, massive invasion of many politicians c/w great cash promises and other celebs begging / "selling" staying in the country .. even then It was a "whisker" finale ... dang!!!
Title: Re: Rex Murphy: How are Alberta and Quebec treated differently? Let me count the ways
Post by: Anonymous on December 18, 2021, 08:18:34 PM
Post by: Anonymous on December 18, 2021, 08:18:34 PM
That would leave the vast and largely inhabitable central and western States to survive on their own. With a combined total of about 3 million people in what would be the largest sections of the country (well over half the geographical dimensions of the continent) they simply wouldn't survive.
That makes a lot of sense. The area is huge and I assume not wealthy
I thought Western Australia had vast mineral wealth and unlike Canada, it's development is not being blocked. Perhaps Bricktop will enlighten us(me).
Title: Re: Rex Murphy: How are Alberta and Quebec treated differently? Let me count the ways
Post by: cc on December 18, 2021, 08:23:15 PM
Post by: cc on December 18, 2021, 08:23:15 PM
Yes, Brick knows more of the lay of the land
Title: Re: Rex Murphy: How are Alberta and Quebec treated differently? Let me count the ways
Post by: Anonymous on December 18, 2021, 08:42:36 PM
Post by: Anonymous on December 18, 2021, 08:42:36 PM
If that is so, remember what the Feds have done to provincial natural assets here forcing them to leave the assets in the ground so long as begrudging unity prevails
Yes, Brick knows more of the lay of the land
Bills C-48 and C-69 are basically Alberta can't develop it's resources bills. We are forcing that province into poverty or to secede. Ontarians would never tolerate Ottawa undermining us like that.
Title: Re: Rex Murphy: How are Alberta and Quebec treated differently? Let me count the ways
Post by: cc on December 18, 2021, 09:59:56 PM
Post by: cc on December 18, 2021, 09:59:56 PM
Lose lose for them
Title: Re: Rex Murphy: How are Alberta and Quebec treated differently? Let me count the ways
Post by: Anonymous on December 18, 2021, 10:03:35 PM
Post by: Anonymous on December 18, 2021, 10:03:35 PM
If that is so, remember what the Feds have done to provincial natural assets here forcing them to leave the assets in the ground so long as begrudging unity prevails
Yes, Brick knows more of the lay of the land
Bills C-48 and C-69 are basically Alberta can't develop it's resources bills. We are forcing that province into poverty or to secede. Ontarians would never tolerate Ottawa undermining us like that.
Saskatchewan was producing close to one million barrels of oil a day. We can't get market prices for our oil either since Justine killed Energy East. We are fed up with Ottawa too.
Title: Re: Rex Murphy: How are Alberta and Quebec treated differently? Let me count the ways
Post by: Bricktop on December 19, 2021, 04:20:32 AM
Post by: Bricktop on December 19, 2021, 04:20:32 AM
I thought Western Australia had vast mineral wealth and unlike Canada, it's development is not being blocked. Perhaps Bricktop will enlighten us(me).
Western Australia has vast mineral deposits, including gold and diamonds.
But 90% of its land is uninhabitable beyond scattered cattle stations.
It generates enormous wealth for the nation through mineral exports, and its citizens often resent that fact. They forget that the Australian Commonwealth provides financial and administrative services that WA would struggle to implement, including military, border control, transport controls and infrastructure grants.
Western Australians also forget that mineral exports are relatively new to their economy. Before they found the deposits and a market for them, Western Australia was utterly dependent on the other States for revenue. And mineral sales are capricious. If China suddenly decides it doesn't want Australian iron, Western Australia will be the worst hit of all States.
WA's biggest problem is that it is so remote from the rest of Australia, because most of it is crammed up against the western coastal areas. Because of that, it forgets that it is part of Australia sometimes.
Title: Re: Rex Murphy: How are Alberta and Quebec treated differently? Let me count the ways
Post by: Anonymous on December 19, 2021, 04:35:26 AM
Post by: Anonymous on December 19, 2021, 04:35:26 AM
I thought Western Australia had vast mineral wealth and unlike Canada, it's development is not being blocked. Perhaps Bricktop will enlighten us(me).
Western Australia has vast mineral deposits, including gold and diamonds.
But 90% of its land is uninhabitable beyond scattered cattle stations.
It generates enormous wealth for the nation through mineral exports, and its citizens often resent that fact. They forget that the Australian Commonwealth provides financial and administrative services that WA would struggle to implement, including military, border control, transport controls and infrastructure grants.
Western Australians also forget that mineral exports are relatively new to their economy. Before they found the deposits and a market for them, Western Australia was utterly dependent on the other States for revenue. And mineral sales are capricious. If China suddenly decides it doesn't want Australian iron, Western Australia will be the worst hit of all States.
WA's biggest problem is that it is so remote from the rest of Australia, because most of it is crammed up against the western coastal areas. Because of that, it forgets that it is part of Australia sometimes.
At least Western Australia is allowed to develop their resources..
Justin Trudeau won't allow Alberta to do the same.
Title: Re: Rex Murphy: How are Alberta and Quebec treated differently? Let me count the ways
Post by: Bricktop on December 20, 2021, 12:32:07 AM
Post by: Bricktop on December 20, 2021, 12:32:07 AM
Either we are a single nation where ALL wealth is distributed equally, or we are not. States growing rich while others struggle is not the sign of a healthy nation.
Title: Re: Rex Murphy: How are Alberta and Quebec treated differently? Let me count the ways
Post by: Anonymous on December 20, 2021, 12:39:13 AM
Post by: Anonymous on December 20, 2021, 12:39:13 AM
Resource management is a State based issue. That does not always work well for the other States.
Either we are a single nation where ALL wealth is distributed equally, or we are not. States growing rich while others struggle is not the sign of a healthy nation.
It is a provincial area of responsibility here too. But, that wanker Justine keeps blocking infrastructure, ie pipelines that landlocked Alberta and Saskatchewan need to get our resources to international markets and better prices.
Title: Re: Rex Murphy: How are Alberta and Quebec treated differently? Let me count the ways
Post by: Anonymous on December 20, 2021, 03:47:30 AM
Post by: Anonymous on December 20, 2021, 03:47:30 AM
Resource management is a State based issue. That does not always work well for the other States.
Either we are a single nation where ALL wealth is distributed equally, or we are not. States growing rich while others struggle is not the sign of a healthy nation.
It is a provincial area of responsibility here too. But, that wanker Justine keeps blocking infrastructure, ie pipelines that landlocked Alberta and Saskatchewan need to get our resources to international markets and better prices.
Strange he doesn't block imports of foreign oil that we don't need..
They're even exempt from his carbon tax.
Title: Re: Rex Murphy: How are Alberta and Quebec treated differently? Let me count the ways
Post by: cc on December 20, 2021, 11:40:42 AM
Post by: cc on December 20, 2021, 11:40:42 AM
Resource management is a State based issue. That does not always work well for the other States.
Either we are a single nation where ALL wealth is distributed equally, or we are not. States growing rich while others struggle is not the sign of a healthy nation.
Like everything else, manufacturing, employment, infrastructure, whatever, for development is local .. as per the natural order of all things
There will be some spillover and Federal tax monies that help the country .. not sure how else it could work ... when it was allowed to
Title: Re: Rex Murphy: How are Alberta and Quebec treated differently? Let me count the ways
Post by: Anonymous on December 20, 2021, 02:51:47 PM
Post by: Anonymous on December 20, 2021, 02:51:47 PM
Resource management is a State based issue. That does not always work well for the other States.
Either we are a single nation where ALL wealth is distributed equally, or we are not. States growing rich while others struggle is not the sign of a healthy nation.
It is a provincial area of responsibility here too. But, that wanker Justine keeps blocking infrastructure, ie pipelines that landlocked Alberta and Saskatchewan need to get our resources to international markets and better prices.
The Trudeaus, father and son, have both pushed the limits of federal intrusion into areas of provincial jurisdiction.
Title: Re: Rex Murphy: How are Alberta and Quebec treated differently? Let me count the ways
Post by: cc on December 20, 2021, 03:35:58 PM
Post by: cc on December 20, 2021, 03:35:58 PM
Daddy was dangerous because he was so very smart and clever. .. Sonny is dangerous because he is so stupid
Justine certainly has mainly his mother's genes
Title: Re: Rex Murphy: How are Alberta and Quebec treated differently? Let me count the ways
Post by: Anonymous on December 30, 2021, 08:51:36 AM
Post by: Anonymous on December 30, 2021, 08:51:36 AM
Title: Re: Rex Murphy: How are Alberta and Quebec treated differently? Let me count the ways
Post by: cc on December 30, 2021, 02:14:45 PM
Post by: cc on December 30, 2021, 02:14:45 PM
Title: Re: Rex Murphy: How are Alberta and Quebec treated differently? Let me count the ways
Post by: Anonymous on December 30, 2021, 06:15:02 PM
Post by: Anonymous on December 30, 2021, 06:15:02 PM
Canadians, well me for sure, can never be and feel truly Canadian until this being stripped of money that is simply given to Quebec ends
Old Brick and Shen Li go on about what a corrupt mess the US is. Successive federal governments in Canada loot the producing parts of the country to buy votes in Central Canada.