NATO is pushing their buttons and flinging turds like a circus chimp.
Who can blame Russia for a similar scenario as the Cuban Missile Crises right on their Ukrainian doorstep.
Machinery and troops are flowing into the region as we speak.
Quote from: "Dinky Dazza" post_id=431299 time=1639878448 user_id=1676
NATO is pushing their buttons and flinging turds like a circus chimp.
Who can blame Russia for a similar scenario as the Cuban Missile Crises right on their Ukrainian doorstep.
Machinery and troops are flowing into the region as we speak.
NATO knows Ukrainioan membership is a red line with Russia. I don't blame the Russians either.
Quote from: "Dinky Dazza" post_id=431299 time=1639878448 user_id=1676
NATO is pushing their buttons and flinging turds like a circus chimp.
Who can blame Russia for a similar scenario as the Cuban Missile Crises right on their Ukrainian doorstep.
Machinery and troops are flowing into the region as we speak.
I haven't even been following the news here in Holland even though we will have lots of time due to the hard lockdown this country is in.
Yup.... entirely justified.
Something is going to happen... Russia has shut down the Arctic shipping route to new voyages, reduced the flow of gas to Europe, and positioned electronics warfare military in the Arctic circle, while 1k NATO tanks are currently enroute from Greece towards Ukraine and NATO conducts "exercises" nearby.
Grab some popcorn and enjoy the show.
How about a solid link ... please
Walk your talk ... like a big boy
... Thanks Bunches
Quote from: "Dinky Dazza" post_id=431315 time=1639881555 user_id=1676
Yup.... entirely justified.
Something is going to happen... Russia has shut down the Arctic shipping route to new voyages, reduced the flow of gas to Europe, and positioned electronics warfare military in the Arctic circle, while 1k NATO tanks are currently enroute from Greece towards Ukraine and NATO conducts "exercises" nearby.
Grab some popcorn and enjoy the show.
Maybe we will over the coming days....we have to do something now that feasting and meeting with family hve been taken off off the table.
Quote from: cc post_id=431317 time=1639881714 user_id=88
How about a solid link ... please
Walk your talk ... Thank You
How does "go fuck yourself, fuckwit" work for you?
....good...good...
Linkless in LaLaLand
No walky the talky
Piss up a rope, window licking mongtard... :thumbup:
Just blabber .. No Walk the Talk
Your choice to be meaningless
Maybe Fash might shave off cc's attempt at thread derail (with my replies back) and chuck it into Reject.... ?
No derail - just asking for link .. .dink
No links, it never happened .. just blabber
Do your own homework, twerp.
No Link Dink :roll:
Or is it No Dinky Linky
The Americans are blaming Russia for "sphere of influence" thinking...
While they are spreading theirs around the Russian border.
Quote from: Odinson post_id=431330 time=1639882518 user_id=136
The Americans are blaming Russia for "sphere of influence" thinking...
While they are spreading theirs around the Russian border.
Indeed.... what a crazy world when civilian Westerners are siding with Russia.
I am Ukrainain. I love the people, the language, the food, the drinking, the dancing, and everything else about the culture. But, Ukraine is really frickin corrupt. More than Russia. There are scumbag political interests inside and outside Ukraine who have no problem putting Ukrainians in harm's way for personal gain.
Russia has demanded strict limits on the activities of the US-led Nato military alliance in countries in Eastern Europe. Russia denies this, but wants Nato to rule out Ukraine and others ever joining the alliance to defuse the situation.
In the proposals Russia sets out a series of radical demands, which require countries that joined Nato after the fall of the Soviet Union not to deploy troops or weapons in areas where they could be seen as a threat to Russia. Heavy bombers and warships would not be allowed in areas outside their national airspace or waters from which they could launch an attack.
That would mean Nato not playing any role at all in any of the three Baltic republics or Poland. And Nato would have to abandon any plans for Ukraine and Georgia to eventually join the Western alliance.
That would mean Nato not playing any role at all in any of the three Baltic republics or Poland. And Nato would have to abandon any plans for Ukraine and Georgia to eventually join the Western alliance.
Hey gang, can we knock off the personal shit. This is a current event I am really interested in. I want to read about it and not kindergarten bullshit. If you guys keep it up, I'm telling old Cronus on you. ac_sothere
Quote from: Odinson post_id=431330 time=1639882518 user_id=136
The Americans are blaming Russia for "sphere of influence" thinking...
While they are spreading theirs around the Russian border.
The Americans are hypocrites. :shock: In case there is a language barrier, that was sarcasm.
Quote from: "Dinky Dazza" post_id=431331 time=1639882638 user_id=1676
Quote from: Odinson post_id=431330 time=1639882518 user_id=136
The Americans are blaming Russia for "sphere of influence" thinking...
While they are spreading theirs around the Russian border.
Indeed.... what a crazy world when civilian Westerners are siding with Russia.
America: LGBTQP, future is female, feminism, critical race theory, blm, black supremacy... Gender transition for little kids.
Russia: None of that shit.
:laugh3:
Quote from: Herman post_id=431343 time=1639884747 user_id=1689
Hey gang, can we knock off the personal shit. This is a current event I am really interested in. I want read about it and not kindergarten bullshit. If you guys keep it up, I'm telling old Cronus on you. ac_sothere
On the subject of derailing discussions, I posted at BF for the first time in two years, maybe more..
It's impossible to have a civil discussion like adults there..
Every discussion becomes you're fat, old, bald, stupid, a Trumptard and so on..
There are people on that forum I'm very fond of but, the discussions give me a headache..
Now, back to the topic.
Quote from: Herman post_id=431343 time=1639884747 user_id=1689
Hey gang, can we knock off the personal shit. This is a current event I am really interested in. I want read about it and not kindergarten bullshit. If you guys keep it up, I'm telling old Cronus on you. ac_sothere
It is important .. hence why I'm asking for links
Yabbering on with nothing to support it is destructive to any serious issue
I've never seen this unsupported sort of thing on THIS site
Viable Links - Put up or Shut up
I saw what somebody was attempting to do and shut it down.
Now let's talk about Russia and NATO..
Quote from: "Dinky Dazza" post_id=431360 time=1639888254 user_id=1676
Now let's talk about Russia and NATO..
I agree. We can argue that what you are saying is bullshit and support it with links even if you don't supply any. But, you don't need to stop where you are going with this even if your opinion is not supported with links.
Quote from: Herman post_id=431361 time=1639888452 user_id=1689
Quote from: "Dinky Dazza" post_id=431360 time=1639888254 user_id=1676
Now let's talk about Russia and NATO..
I agree. We can argue that what you are saying is bullshit and support it with links even if you don't supply any. But, you don't need to stop where you are going with this even if your opinion is not supported with links.
It's an open topic and there are links out there if someone wants to call bullshit but I haven't said anything about the topic "out there" yet.
1. Shipping route closed.
2. Radio/Radar Units deployed in Arctic.
3. NATO in "exercises" nearby.
4. Pipeline throttled down.
5. Tanks offloaded in Greece/in transit north on semi trailers.
6. Ukraine airlifted materials.
7. Troop levels on all sides increasing in the area.
I'm sure there are many more happenings we're not yet aware of.
It's popcorn time.... pull up a seat and watch the movie.
Quote from: "Dinky Dazza" post_id=431363 time=1639889128 user_id=1676
Quote from: Herman post_id=431361 time=1639888452 user_id=1689
Quote from: "Dinky Dazza" post_id=431360 time=1639888254 user_id=1676
Now let's talk about Russia and NATO..
I agree. We can argue that what you are saying is bullshit and support it with links even if you don't supply any. But, you don't need to stop where you are going with this even if your opinion is not supported with links.
It's an open topic and there are links out there if someone wants to call bullshit but I haven't said anything about the topic "out there" yet.
1. Shipping route closed.
2. Radio/Radar Units deployed in Arctic.
3. NATO in "exercises" nearby.
4. Pipeline throttled down.
5. Tanks offloaded in Greece/in transit north on semi trailers.
6. Ukraine airlifted materials.
7. Troop levels on all sides increasing in the area.
I'm sure there are many more happenings we're not yet aware of.
It's popcorn time.... pull up a seat and watch the movie.
Russia is blocking most of the Sea of Azoz and as result the US is send small arms and some ammunition, but that is a symbolic gesture.
Ukraine is doomed.
Quote from: Odinson post_id=431366 time=1639891744 user_id=136
Ukraine is doomed.
The politicians are so fucked up in Ukraine. It has to be one of the only countries where Justine would not be the most incompetent party leader.
I wonder how much dirt they've got on the Bidens and vice versa for this crap to happen.
Motherfucker abandoned 80 plus billion in armaments and supplies in Afganistan, as well as people left behind, yet Slow Joe wants to instigate a fight that could very well hot... thermonuclear and hypersonic hot.
I'm glad I'm on the other side of the planet at the moment but it might not matter if the US is committed to Northern Hemisphere hostilities. Those lil cocksucking CCP maggots would move on Taiwan and perhaps the rest of us in the vacuum.
Quote from: "Dinky Dazza" post_id=431371 time=1639893337 user_id=1676
I wonder how much dirt they've got on the Bidens and vice versa for this crap to happen.
Motherfucker abandoned 80 plus billion in armaments and supplies in Afganistan, as well as people left behind, yet Slow Joe wants to instigate a fight that could very well hot... thermonuclear and hypersonic hot.
I'm glad I'm on the other side of the planet at the moment but it might not matter if the US is committed to Northern Hemisphere hostilities. Those lil cocksucking CCP maggots would move on Taiwan and perhaps the rest of us in the vacuum.
Jesus H, Jim Crow Joe says he has nearly fifty years of foreign policy experience and he has performed like a frickin rookie since he was sworn in. What a dangerously incompetent commander-in-chief. The worst I have evert seen.
Quote from: "Dinky Dazza" post_id=431371 time=1639893337 user_id=1676
I wonder how much dirt they've got on the Bidens and vice versa for this crap to happen.
Motherfucker abandoned 80 plus billion in armaments and supplies in Afganistan, as well as people left behind, yet Slow Joe wants to instigate a fight that could very well hot... thermonuclear and hypersonic hot.
I'm glad I'm on the other side of the planet at the moment but it might not matter if the US is committed to Northern Hemisphere hostilities. Those lil cocksucking CCP maggots would move on Taiwan and perhaps the rest of us in the vacuum.
Exactly. The most corrupt + stupid US leader of all time may get us all killed .. at the very least he's playing with a fire he cannot put out
And yes, it's worldwide ... XI is awatchin and awaiting
Quote from: cc post_id=431386 time=1639896847 user_id=88
Quote from: "Dinky Dazza" post_id=431371 time=1639893337 user_id=1676
I wonder how much dirt they've got on the Bidens and vice versa for this crap to happen.
Motherfucker abandoned 80 plus billion in armaments and supplies in Afganistan, as well as people left behind, yet Slow Joe wants to instigate a fight that could very well hot... thermonuclear and hypersonic hot.
I'm glad I'm on the other side of the planet at the moment but it might not matter if the US is committed to Northern Hemisphere hostilities. Those lil cocksucking CCP maggots would move on Taiwan and perhaps the rest of us in the vacuum.
Exactly. The most corrupt + stupid US leader of all time may get us all killed .. at the very least he's playing with a fire he cannot put out
And yes, it's worldwide ... XI is awatchin and awaiting
What is standing in China's way? Jim Crow Joke?
Quote from: Herman post_id=431390 time=1639897942 user_id=1689
Quote from: cc post_id=431386 time=1639896847 user_id=88
Exactly. The most corrupt + stupid US leader of all time may get us all killed .. at the very least he's playing with a fire he cannot put out
And yes, it's worldwide ... XI is awatchin and awaiting
What is standing in China's way? Jim Crow Joke?
Nothing is in his way
The US abdicated it's power to do anything about anything anywhere
Quote from: Herman post_id=431367 time=1639892821 user_id=1689
Quote from: Odinson post_id=431366 time=1639891744 user_id=136
Ukraine is doomed.
The politicians are so fucked up in Ukraine. It has to be one of the only countries where Justine would not be the most incompetent party leader.
Country of 44 million... But cant put together a credible army.
Taxpayers money is going into the pockets of local politicians.
Quote from: Odinson post_id=431396 time=1639898623 user_id=136
Quote from: Herman post_id=431367 time=1639892821 user_id=1689
Quote from: Odinson post_id=431366 time=1639891744 user_id=136
Ukraine is doomed.
The politicians are so fucked up in Ukraine. It has to be one of the only countries where Justine would not be the most incompetent party leader.
Country of 44 million... But cant put together a credible army.
Taxpayers money is going into the pockets of local politicians.
When I was looking to buy land some where in the world to retire and farm, Ukraine was high on my list. But, to get anything done you have to bribe everybody. That shit gets old in a hurry.
Russia is rattling its sabre.
It is also rolling the dice. If NATO steps up and warns Russia that if they invade Ukraine they will intervene, Russia will need to carefully consider their next move.
Whilst the media portrays Russia's military as invincible, reality is far different. NATO outguns Russia quantitively and qualitively and could inflict major damage on Russia's forces. Importantly, NATO nations are economically superior, and can take more losses than Russia.
Russia might fire some shots across Ukraine's bow, but an invasion will cost them far more than it's worth.
Quote from: Bricktop post_id=431404 time=1639904817 user_id=1560
Russia is rattling its sabre.
It is also rolling the dice. If NATO steps up and warns Russia that if they invade Ukraine they will intervene, Russia will need to carefully consider their next move.
Whilst the media portrays Russia's military as invincible, reality is far different. NATO outguns Russia quantitively and qualitively and could inflict major damage on Russia's forces. Importantly, NATO nations are economically superior, and can take more losses than Russia.
Russia might fire some shots across Ukraine's bow, but an invasion will cost them far more than it's worth.
I read that Europe is in an energy crunch..
Here in Holland, they have natural gas, but they don't have enough to supply Europe the way Russia does.
Quote from: Bricktop post_id=431404 time=1639904817 user_id=1560
Russia is rattling its sabre.
It is also rolling the dice. If NATO steps up and warns Russia that if they invade Ukraine they will intervene, Russia will need to carefully consider their next move.
Whilst the media portrays Russia's military as invincible, reality is far different. NATO outguns Russia quantitively and qualitively and could inflict major damage on Russia's forces. Importantly, NATO nations are economically superior, and can take more losses than Russia.
Russia might fire some shots across Ukraine's bow, but an invasion will cost them far more than it's worth.
Russia can't have foreign missiles on its borders. This is not sabre rattling. It's Russia defending itself from an org that never disbanded after the Soviet Union collapsed.
As much as I have no love for Russia, they do have a point.
If Mexico announced it was joining a military alliance with China, and that Chinese tanks, missiles and troops were entering the country in a mutual defence pact, what would the American response be?
Then Canada joins that same alliance and American now has Chinese equipped armies north and south.
This is the same scenario that Russia faces.
But before we sympathise with Putin, we should remember that it is Russia's beligerency that is the root cause of increased military mobilisation in Europe. It has attacked Georgia, and seized the Crimea by force of arms. It is also sponsoring a Russian insurrection in Ukraine.
I suspect it is gambling that the West has no appetite for war in defending the Ukraine that Herman describes. Propping up a corrupt regime by risking your own people won't be popular.
Quote from: Bricktop post_id=431430 time=1639949265 user_id=1560
As much as I have no love for Russia, they do have a point.
If Mexico announced it was joining a military alliance with China, and that Chinese tanks, missiles and troops were entering the country in a mutual defence pact, what would the American response be?
Then Canada joins that same alliance and American now has Chinese equipped armies north and south.
This is the same scenario that Russia faces.
But before we sympathise with Putin, we should remember that it is Russia's beligerency that is the root cause of increased military mobilisation in Europe. It has attacked Georgia, and seized the Crimea by force of arms. It is also sponsoring a Russian insurrection in Ukraine.
I suspect it is gambling that the West has no appetite for war in defending the Ukraine that Herman describes. Propping up a corrupt regime by risking your own people won't be popular.
I understand the annexation of Crimea. Most of it's inhabitants want nothing to do with Ukraine. But, I don't understand the Georgian conflict.
It is much the same...
"During the NATO summit in Bucharest in April 2008, American president George W. Bush campaigned for offering a Membership Action Plan (MAP) to Georgia and Ukraine. However, Germany and France said that offering MAP to Ukraine and Georgia would be "an unnecessary offence" for Russia.[91] NATO stated that Ukraine and Georgia would be admitted in the alliance and pledged to review the requests for MAP in December 2008.[92] Russian President Vladimir Putin was in Bucharest during the summit. At the conclusion of the summit on 4 April, Putin said that NATO's enlargement towards Russia "would be taken in Russia as a direct threat to the security of our country".[93] Following the Bucharest summit, Russian hostility increased and Russia started to actively prepare for the invasion of Georgia.[94] Chief of the General Staff of the Russian Armed Forces Yuri Baluyevsky said on 11 April that Russia would carry out "steps of a different nature" in addition to military action to block NATO membership of former Soviet republics.[95] General Baluyevsky admitted in 2012 that after President Putin had decided to attack Georgia prior to the May 2008 inauguration of Dmitry Medvedev as president of Russia, a military action was planned and explicit orders were issued in advance before August 2008. Russia aimed to stop Georgia's accession to NATO and also to bring about a "regime change".[75]"
//https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russo-Georgian_War
Quote from: Bricktop post_id=431436 time=1639957482 user_id=1560
It is much the same...
"During the NATO summit in Bucharest in April 2008, American president George W. Bush campaigned for offering a Membership Action Plan (MAP) to Georgia and Ukraine. However, Germany and France said that offering MAP to Ukraine and Georgia would be "an unnecessary offence" for Russia.[91] NATO stated that Ukraine and Georgia would be admitted in the alliance and pledged to review the requests for MAP in December 2008.[92] Russian President Vladimir Putin was in Bucharest during the summit. At the conclusion of the summit on 4 April, Putin said that NATO's enlargement towards Russia "would be taken in Russia as a direct threat to the security of our country".[93] Following the Bucharest summit, Russian hostility increased and Russia started to actively prepare for the invasion of Georgia.[94] Chief of the General Staff of the Russian Armed Forces Yuri Baluyevsky said on 11 April that Russia would carry out "steps of a different nature" in addition to military action to block NATO membership of former Soviet republics.[95] General Baluyevsky admitted in 2012 that after President Putin had decided to attack Georgia prior to the May 2008 inauguration of Dmitry Medvedev as president of Russia, a military action was planned and explicit orders were issued in advance before August 2008. Russia aimed to stop Georgia's accession to NATO and also to bring about a "regime change".[75]"
//https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russo-Georgian_War
Okay, it came back to me.
Biden is the most unpopular president in recent history. He is not going to send troops to fight against Russia no matter what they do.
Quote from: Bricktop post_id=431430 time=1639949265 user_id=1560
As much as I have no love for Russia, they do have a point.
If Mexico announced it was joining a military alliance with China, and that Chinese tanks, missiles and troops were entering the country in a mutual defence pact, what would the American response be?
Then Canada joins that same alliance and American now has Chinese equipped armies north and south.
This is the same scenario that Russia faces.
But before we sympathise with Putin, we should remember that it is Russia's beligerency that is the root cause of increased military mobilisation in Europe. It has attacked Georgia, and seized the Crimea by force of arms. It is also sponsoring a Russian insurrection in Ukraine.
I suspect it is gambling that the West has no appetite for war in defending the Ukraine that Herman describes. Propping up a corrupt regime by risking your own people won't be popular.
Seized isn't an appropriate word.
The Americans and Europeans have treated Russia so disrespectfully since the collapse of the Soviet Union and the East Bloc. The West thought they were going to turn that proud nation into a lapdog like they did West Germany and Japan after WW2. Good for Putin and good for the Russian people standing up to Western arrogance and provocation.
Russia didnt seize Crimea.
They voted to be annexed by Russia.
Cant get mad.
Very true... the Crimeans were once part of Russia, speak Russian, have Russian customs. The Ukraine side were actively punishing them for it.
It was a foregone conclusion they'd vote to go back to Russia.
Quote from: "Dinky Dazza" post_id=431453 time=1639963163 user_id=1676
Seized isn't an appropriate word.
By all means replace it with one you deem appropriate.
Quote from: Bricktop post_id=431484 time=1639973603 user_id=1560
Quote from: "Dinky Dazza" post_id=431453 time=1639963163 user_id=1676
Seized isn't an appropriate word.
By all means replace it with one you deem appropriate.
Odi said it.... annexed (by vote).
Quote from: Odinson post_id=431480 time=1639973061 user_id=136
Russia didnt seize Crimea.
They voted to be annexed by Russia.
Cant get mad.
97 percent voted for annexation by the Russian Federation. Eastern Ukraine also wants to join the Russian Federation. Sadly, Ukraine is a dysfunctional state.
In the rest of Ukraine there is widespread support for joining the EU. Something like fifty five percent of all Ukes want to join the EU, but in the Western part of Ukriane it's like ninety percent.
Quote from: Herman post_id=431511 time=1639978142 user_id=1689
In the rest of Ukraine there is widespread support for joining the EU. Something like fifty five percent of all Ukes want to join the EU, but in the Western part of Ukriane it's like ninety percent.
Bwhah!
EU is a respectable union for decent nations.
Ukes are dirty slavs.
Quote from: Odinson post_id=431522 time=1639979433 user_id=136
Quote from: Herman post_id=431511 time=1639978142 user_id=1689
In the rest of Ukraine there is widespread support for joining the EU. Something like fifty five percent of all Ukes want to join the EU, but in the Western part of Ukriane it's like ninety percent.
Bwhah!
EU is a respectable union for decent nations.
Ukes are dirty slavs.
God made us Ukes last. He knew he finally got it right and decided to retire from the ethnicity making business.
I had a Ukrainian catholic school teacher in year 1 or year 2...
She had warts on her face and warts growing up from warts.
Very nice woman.... but we never hugged her.
Quote from: Herman post_id=431523 time=1639979680 user_id=1689
Quote from: Odinson post_id=431522 time=1639979433 user_id=136
Quote from: Herman post_id=431511 time=1639978142 user_id=1689
In the rest of Ukraine there is widespread support for joining the EU. Something like fifty five percent of all Ukes want to join the EU, but in the Western part of Ukriane it's like ninety percent.
Bwhah!
EU is a respectable union for decent nations.
Ukes are dirty slavs.
God made us Ukes last. He knew he finally got it right and decided to retire from the ethnicity making business.
I dont know if EU membership will protect them.
EU is not exactly a military might.
But the membership in itself might uplift the living standards for your average Ukrainian.
Quote from: "Dinky Dazza" post_id=431525 time=1639979951 user_id=1676
I had a Ukrainian catholic school teacher in year 1 or year 2...
She had warts on her face and warts growing up from warts.
Very nice woman.... but we never hugged her.
Frickin West Ukrainians are Polish wannabes. We are from the East and Orthodox.
Quote from: Odinson post_id=431526 time=1639980412 user_id=136
Quote from: Herman post_id=431523 time=1639979680 user_id=1689
Quote from: Odinson post_id=431522 time=1639979433 user_id=136
Quote from: Herman post_id=431511 time=1639978142 user_id=1689
In the rest of Ukraine there is widespread support for joining the EU. Something like fifty five percent of all Ukes want to join the EU, but in the Western part of Ukriane it's like ninety percent.
Bwhah!
EU is a respectable union for decent nations.
Ukes are dirty slavs.
God made us Ukes last. He knew he finally got it right and decided to retire from the ethnicity making business.
I dont know if EU membership will protect them.
EU is not exactly a military might.
But the membership in itself might uplift the living standards for your average Ukrainian.
Ukraine is a mess. They are looking for some stability. If the US offered statehood the average Uke, especially in the West would consider it. Not Donbas, it's future is with Russia.
Give the Russian part to Russia .. They are de facto Russians anyhow
Fighting the nature order is lose lose for everyone .. and always will be
Quote from: cc post_id=431544 time=1640017381 user_id=88
Give the Russian part to Russia .. They are de facto Russians anyhow
Fighting the nature order is lose lose for everyone .. and always will be
Even with the predominatly Russian part of Ukraine transferred to Russia, Moscow will not accept NATO on it's borders.
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Quote from: cc post_id=431544 time=1640017381 user_id=88
Give the Russian part to Russia .. They are de facto Russians anyhow
Fighting the nature order is lose lose for everyone .. and always will be
Even with the predominatly Russian part of Ukraine transferred to Russia, Moscow will not accept NATO on it's borders.
Agreed Russia will never accept NATO.
That said, the country would be greatly stabilized if the Russians were gone and chances of fighting which will draw Russia in are virtually eliminated
As I said before, Russia is sabre rattling...and rolling the dice.
It would not want a war. It is vastly outgunned.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vSbx3N-y6MU
And these are NATO forces only. If things became grim, NATO would rely on allies such as Australia, Japan, Israel and perhaps but unlikely, South Korea to assist. Non NATO European nations are ex Soviet lackies and would have no love for Russia.
Russia is pretty much isolated, with perhaps its only friends in the world being Belorussia, Armenia, Cuba and Syria. Perhaps Serbia.
Not exactly an imposing force.
Russia is also outgunned technologically.
War against Russia wouldn't get sold well to the public unless there was a false flag event.
I agree.
Nobody gives enough of a toss about Ukraine to care what Russia does.
But if they do attack, its going to cost them big.
Attack is a very loaded word. It implies that Russia isn't within its rights to fend off aggressions along its borders.
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As I said before, Russia is sabre rattling...and rolling the dice.
I cannot agree with that. The security of the EU and the US are not affected one way or the other by having soldiers and armaments on Russia's border. But, it's a red line that Moscow will do anything it has to to stop.
Europe is in the middle of a power and heating shortage. Crossing the Kremlin's red line while Europe is so dependent on Russia for heat and hydro is not a smart move, especially when they have nothing to really gain by it.
Stop floating NATO membership to the Ukraine. It is a really cunty move. In the end, Ukrainians will suffer since they are so dependent on Moscow for energy.
I agree with you there. NATO will know that there is a red line. If I was Russian, I would sternly resist NATO expansion, too.
I also agree that NATO is out of order by closing in on Russia. I think it is both wrong and stupid.
I would have no issue with NATO giving Russia a commitment to encroach no further. That is fair and reasonable.
BUT....NATO has a problem. If Ukraine applies to join NATO, and they are rejected, you can be sure Russia will interpret that as a green light to order the tanks in. In other words, denying Ukraine membership will see its demise.
Both sides need to sign a treaty that guarantees no NATO expansion into Ukraine, and no Russian military intervention from the other side.
It sounds a simple enough solution, but stupidity appears to be overruling reason. I am sure this is what Russia is seeking and no more. Border security for Ukraine's independence.
I think we're actually in accord. If I reflected otherwise I apologise for the confusion. You are quite right that NATO has to pull the brakes on.
https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/world/russia-warns-address-our-security-concerns-or-we-will-create-them-for-you-by-putting-nukes-in-venezuela-and-cuba
Once again, you make reference to a completely disingenuous and speculative piece of fiction.
Look at the headline.
Then read the "story", and take careful note that nowhere does the alleged words highlighted in the headline appear in the quote of the Russian official. The headline is taken from a speculation by the author at the end of the piece...a classic sleight of hand by pseudo journalists of the modern age.
This is typical of the hysteria mongers of the internet age.
This is not to detract from the seriousness of the situation and the merit of Russian concerns, but it is an excellent example of fear mongering by modern "news" channels to draw attention and $$$$.
These people are our true enemy.
:001_rolleyes:
Whatever, Karen....
He's not Karen. He's Right, that drivel sucks
I am Karen.
Your memory is short and your person is fickle
You're both act like Karens.... however, you most often.
ac_smile
that drivel still sucks
No, yuo....
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:001_rolleyes:
Whatever, Karen....
Awww...c'mon little fella. Argue I'm wrong. Just for a change. Try to debate with fact and reason rather than infantile invectives.
I know you can do it!!! I believe in YOU!!
:smiley_thumbs_up_yellow_ani:
Gosh I hope you are not disappointed
NO!!! I know he can put together a coherent argument. He just has a to try a little bit harder. As a dedicated altruist I'm willing to offer some assistance free of charge.
Here's my contribution to the evolution of Freud.
"Dictionary
fact
/fakt/
noun
noun: fact; plural noun: facts
a thing that is known or proved to be true."
This information alone will set him free.
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Quote from: "Dinky Dazza" post_id=431728 time=1640154209 user_id=1676
:001_rolleyes:
Whatever, Karen....
Awww...c'mon little fella. Argue I'm wrong. Just for a change. Try to debate with fact and reason rather than infantile invectives.
I know you can do it!!! I believe in YOU!!
:smiley_thumbs_up_yellow_ani:
I would challenge you to a battle of wits, but I see you are unarmed, gramps....
Ah...the classics never get old. I bet you think that witticism is modern and new, don't you?
However, with you it wouldn't be a battle of wits. It would be a battle with a half wit.
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Ah...the classics never get old. I bet you think that witticism is modern and new, don't you?
However, with you it wouldn't be a battle of wits. It would be a battle with a half wit.
You're more of a fuckwit.... but meh, I agree with your basic self assessment. :thumbup:
[size=150]Warning!!![/size]
Don't try it. Dumb repetitive quips won't cut it .. You just are not in his league
Just my benevolent self trying to help another human from self-destruction
Ok, MSM Karen....
Quote from: cc post_id=431780 time=1640222230 user_id=88
[size=150]Warning!!![/size]
Don't try it. Dumb repetitive quips won't cut it .. You just are not in his league
Just my benevolent self trying to help another human from self-destruction
Ah, we go way back.
He knows he's a mere featherweight relative to myself. Lucky for him, I am nothing if not compassionate and forgiving of those less fortunate.
I've battered and bruised him enough in the past. He knows who's boss. ac_beating
ac_lmfao
You were barely lord of your own ringpiece, Boomer Baggins...
Quote from: Bricktop post_id=431788 time=1640236054 user_id=1560
....
He knows he's a mere featherweight relative to myself. Lucky for him, I am nothing if not compassionate and forgiving of those less fortunate.
I've battered and bruised him enough in the past. He knows who's boss. ac_beating
Wotta Guy!!!
Wait til you get to know me better!!!
Oh no...
Now they made threats about Finland and Sweden joining Nato.
Now we have to join Nato. :laugh3:
If we dont, they think we yielded.
Quote from: Odinson post_id=432138 time=1640578523 user_id=136
Oh no...
Now they made threats about Finland and Sweden joining Nato.
Now we have to join Nato. :laugh3:
If we dont, they think we yielded.
Finland aint ever joining NATO.
What HE said.^^^
They're not that dumb by a long way.
We arent joining Nato.
Russia sends troops into Kazakhstan as clashes between security forces and anti-government protesters turn deadly (//https)
Moscow — Russia has sent military hardware and paratroopers to Kazakhstan as part of a "peacekeeping" mission following a plea from President Kassym-Jomart Tokayev. The Kazakh leader has vowed to quash massive protests across the country that started over gas prices, but have quickly spiraled into a much more significant challenge to the authoritarian leadership of the former Soviet Republic.
On Thursday the protests turned deadly. Police in Almaty, the country's biggest city, told local channel Khabar 24 that "dozens" of protesters had been "liquidated" following attempts to storm government buildings.

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State TV said 12 law enforcement officers were also killed, including two who were purportedly found beheaded. More than 1,000 people were injured across the country, health officials said.
The Collective Security Treaty Organization (CSTO), a Moscow-led alliance of six former Soviet states —Russia, Armenia, Belarus, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, and Tajikistan — promptly approved Tokayev's request to send additional forces to back up his own security services. It was the first major action by the CSTO since it was founded more than 20 years ago.
Another Ukrainian styled insurrection attempt by the West for new real estate....
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Russia sends troops into Kazakhstan as clashes between security forces and anti-government protesters turn deadly (//https)
Moscow — Russia has sent military hardware and paratroopers to Kazakhstan as part of a "peacekeeping" mission following a plea from President Kassym-Jomart Tokayev. The Kazakh leader has vowed to quash massive protests across the country that started over gas prices, but have quickly spiraled into a much more significant challenge to the authoritarian leadership of the former Soviet Republic.
On Thursday the protests turned deadly. Police in Almaty, the country's biggest city, told local channel Khabar 24 that "dozens" of protesters had been "liquidated" following attempts to storm government buildings.

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State TV said 12 law enforcement officers were also killed, including two who were purportedly found beheaded. More than 1,000 people were injured across the country, health officials said.
The Collective Security Treaty Organization (CSTO), a Moscow-led alliance of six former Soviet states —Russia, Armenia, Belarus, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, and Tajikistan — promptly approved Tokayev's request to send additional forces to back up his own security services. It was the first major action by the CSTO since it was founded more than 20 years ago.
I hope they can secure his leadership. Not so much Kazakhstan, but there is a real danger of islamics taking over in several Central Asian states. They need secular authoritarians.
Found beheaded... Sounds familiar.
72% of them are muslims.
Not good.
Hopefully Russia suppresses the uprising.
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Found beheaded... Sounds familiar.
72% of them are muslims.
Not good.
Hopefully Russia suppresses the uprising.
I hope they do too.
Russia hinted that they are gonna bring war-material to Cuba.
:laugh3:
Hey... Cubans have the right to ally with Russia, its a free country. :laugh3:
It's a point well made.
The Soviet Union arming Cuba with nukes in the 60's was a clear signal to the US at the time that the American nukes installed in Turkey was a direct threat to the Soviet Unions security and so the Soviets responded in kind.
America went hysterical. Whilst much is made of the Soviet "provocation", little is said of the American anatgonism that preceded it.
Western history books describe the resolution of the crisis as a Soviet backdown. Russian history defines it as a major success.
If first strike weapons are installed in Ukraine, Russia has every right to be concerned, as those weapons will have only one target. Moscow.
Admitting Ukraine to NATO would effectively encircle Russia with military adversaries. This will be unacceptable to them. Russia's message is clear. If Ukraine is admitted to NATO, then it becomes a trip wire for military action to be directed at Russia. "An attack on one NATO member is an attack on them all".
Of course, from the Western side, allowing Russia to dictate who can and cannot join NATO is totally unacceptable.
Russia is betting the farm on the expectation that as long as Ukraine is not a NATO member, it can launch military action without inciting a NATO response. This option is not open to them if Ukraine joins NATO, as NATO outguns Russia by some margin.
The only political resolution open to both sides is for Ukraine to declare itself neutral and independent of NATO, with a treaty of some form preventing Ukraine placing first strike weapons on its territory.
This then leaves Ukraine defenceless against a Russian invasion.
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The only political resolution open to both sides is for Ukraine to declare itself neutral and independent of NATO, with a treaty of some form preventing Ukraine placing first strike weapons on its territory.
This then leaves Ukraine defenceless against a Russian invasion.
That Jew Zelensky wants integration with the EU and membership in NATO.
Swedens has raised its "defcon" level and is sending troops all over Sweden.
And its all because of a couple of Russian warships on the Baltic.
Russian warships on the Baltic... Thats like unheard of.
Sweden and Russia.

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A swedish power station is out from sabotage....
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Swedens has raised its "defcon" level and is sending troops all over Sweden.
And its all because of a couple of Russian warships on the Baltic.
Russian warships on the Baltic... Thats like unheard of.
Sweden and Russia.

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Oh no Sweden. Putin is really scared.
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Quote from: Odinson post_id=434819 time=1642207602 user_id=136
Swedens has raised its "defcon" level and is sending troops all over Sweden.
And its all because of a couple of Russian warships on the Baltic.
Russian warships on the Baltic... Thats like unheard of.
Sweden and Russia.

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Oh no Sweden. Putin is really scared.
The Swedes are securing ports and such in Gotland.
They flinched.
These Russian warships are landing ships.
If they are empty, what's the problem?
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If they are empty, what's the problem?
Don't ya get it. The big bad Russians. Big bad Putin scares woke Western governments.
Oh.
OK.
It's criminal how they treat Russia.
Quote from: "Dinky Dazza" post_id=434836 time=1642212198 user_id=1676
It's criminal how they treat Russia.
The West, the US in particular thought they were going to turn Russia into a eunich lapdog like they did Japan. Good for Moscow for telling them they aren't interested.
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If they are empty, what's the problem?
Full or not, it makes no difference.
There is an occasional nuclear submarine sailing on the baltic sea.
2x Ropucha-class
1x Ivan Gren class.
There are three more landing ships.
1000 men and 33 battle tanks.
Quote from: "Dinky Dazza" post_id=431299 time=1639878448 user_id=1676
NATO is pushing their buttons and flinging turds like a circus chimp.
Who can blame Russia for a similar scenario as the Cuban Missile Crises right on their Ukrainian doorstep.
Machinery and troops are flowing into the region as we speak.
There won't be war between NATO and Russia.
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Quote from: "Dinky Dazza" post_id=431299 time=1639878448 user_id=1676
NATO is pushing their buttons and flinging turds like a circus chimp.
Who can blame Russia for a similar scenario as the Cuban Missile Crises right on their Ukrainian doorstep.
Machinery and troops are flowing into the region as we speak.
There won't be war between NATO and Russia.
Hope not, but don't be surprised
We're all codependent but Russia might finally leave her "mah, mannn" and shut off the pipelines...not play nice.
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Quote from: Gaon post_id=434867 time=1642222104 user_id=3170
Quote from: "Dinky Dazza" post_id=431299 time=1639878448 user_id=1676
NATO is pushing their buttons and flinging turds like a circus chimp.
Who can blame Russia for a similar scenario as the Cuban Missile Crises right on their Ukrainian doorstep.
Machinery and troops are flowing into the region as we speak.
There won't be war between NATO and Russia.
Hope not, but don't be surprised
We're all codependent but Russia might finally leave her "mah, mannn" and shut off the pipelines...not play nice.
Canada should be supplying LNG to Europe.
https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/news-nation/russia-withdraws-from-further-negotiations-at-osce-pulls-embassy-and-consulate-staff-from-ukraine-no-gas-thru-yamal-pipeline
Canada issued a travel advisory for Ukraine because of Russian aggression.
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Canada issued a travel advisory for Ukraine because of Russian aggression.
Have countries reached the point of not flying over it en route?
Last go-round most countries flew around it while Malaysia decided to fly over it .. They lost 100s of people
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Canada issued a travel advisory for Ukraine because of Russian aggression.
The middle of winter Canadians go to Ukraine, not Cuba. Trudeau is an idiot.
What I'm referring to is .. are overflights still allowed (or warned against by EU)
Over it is the shortest route from much of EU to much of Asia .. which is why Malaysia tried it last time
Quote from: cc post_id=435335 time=1642545678 user_id=88
What I'm referring to is .. are overflights still allowed (or warned against by EU)
Over it is the shortest route from UK & much of EU to much of Asia .. which is why Malaysia tried it last time
I know that. I'm talking about how stupid Justine's travel advisory is.
Right - it is especially stupid .. but typical of him
Quote from: "Dinky Dazza" post_id=434887 time=1642230434 user_id=1676
We're all codependent but Russia might finally leave her "mah, mannn" and shut off the pipelines...not play nice.
That might sound like a simple option.
However, Russia will need to consider the long term impacts of demonstrating that it is unreliable as a commerical partner.
Russia needs the $$$$$ as much as Germany needs the gas.
Russia's problem is that the West has options. Russia does not.
Russia has always been represented in Western media and by Western politicians as some kind of invincible bogey man. Despite its massive military resources, it is still outgunned by NATO and the US both quantatively and qualatively. The West needs a Russian boogeyman to justify its massive military spending.
Russia can throw punches, but it cannot deal a knockout blow.
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Quote from: cc post_id=435335 time=1642545678 user_id=88
What I'm referring to is .. are overflights still allowed (or warned against by EU)
Over it is the shortest route from UK & much of EU to much of Asia .. which is why Malaysia tried it last time
I know that. I'm talking about how stupid Justine's travel advisory is.
Canadians were buying up flights to the Ukraine until we were advised by our government not to.
:laugh:
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Quote from: "Dinky Dazza" post_id=434887 time=1642230434 user_id=1676
We're all codependent but Russia might finally leave her "mah, mannn" and shut off the pipelines...not play nice.
That might sound like a simple option.
However, Russia will need to consider the long term impacts of demonstrating that it is unreliable as a commerical partner.
Russia needs the $$$$$ as much as Germany needs the gas.
Russia's problem is that the West has options. Russia does not.
Russia has always been represented in Western media and by Western politicians as some kind of invincible bogey man. Despite its massive military resources, it is still outgunned by NATO and the US both quantatively and qualatively. The West needs a Russian boogeyman to justify its massive military spending.
Russia can throw punches, but it cannot deal a knockout blow.
Russia would win a war with NATO/US right now.... especially with China at it's side.
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Quote from: Herman post_id=435337 time=1642545840 user_id=1689
Quote from: cc post_id=435335 time=1642545678 user_id=88
What I'm referring to is .. are overflights still allowed (or warned against by EU)
Over it is the shortest route from UK & much of EU to much of Asia .. which is why Malaysia tried it last time
I know that. I'm talking about how stupid Justine's travel advisory is.
Canadians were buying up flights to the Ukraine until we were advised by our government not to.
:laugh:
I think Trudeau issued a similar advisory for Syria when Bashar was waging war with ISIS.
Quote from: "Dinky Dazza" post_id=435405 time=1642565704 user_id=1676
Russia would win a war with NATO/US right now.... especially with China at it's side.
Why the hell would China join Russia?
What's in it for them?
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Quote from: "Dinky Dazza" post_id=435405 time=1642565704 user_id=1676
Russia would win a war with NATO/US right now.... especially with China at it's side.
Why the hell would China join Russia?
What's in it for them?
A common enemy.
Common enemies don't necessarily mean common ideal outcomes.
China feeds from Western money. Not Russian.
Quote from: Bricktop post_id=435436 time=1642567354 user_id=1560
Common enemies don't necessarily mean common ideal outcomes.
China feeds from Western money. Not Russian.
Yet China and the US have been engaged in a soft war for decades. When there is no benefit to keep trading, it's going to go hot....particularly when the US can't or refuses to pay its debt.
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Quote from: "Dinky Dazza" post_id=435405 time=1642565704 user_id=1676
Russia would win a war with NATO/US right now.... especially with China at it's side.
Why the hell would China join Russia?
What's in it for them?
China buys a lot of natural gas from Russia. They finished a big pipeline project between the two countries. That trade would not be affected by anything that happens between Russia and NATO.
During Biden's rare press conference on Wednesday, he suggested that "minor incursion" by Russia into Ukraine might not warrant a strong international response. The White House has since walked back Biden's comments.
The US State Department has ordered family members of US diplomats to evacuate Ukraine.
Biden is considering deploying thousands of American troops, warships, and aircraft into the powderkeg region to deter Russia from executing any advancements.
UK, Germany, and Australia are withdrawing too.
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Biden is considering deploying thousands of American troops, warships, and aircraft into the powderkeg region to deter Russia from executing any advancements.
Biden is an idiot.
Walking back Biden's comments.
[media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PqfyZ618Bks[/media]
This might help understand the comparative military might of Russia vs NATO.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vSbx3N-y6MU
Add to that the technological and qualitative advantage of western military assets, and Russia would need to carefully consider going to war with Europe.
Western politicians and the media love to highlight the military force of Russia and China...keeping us in fear loosens purse strings for military investment and sells newspapers.
But the reality is that Russia is outgunned. It is using Ukraine as leverage to stop NATO encroaching further onto its borders because western governments are probably not going to go to war for a country like Ukraine. Moscow must move soon, because that changes when Ukraine is admitted to NATO.
Ukraine needs to find a solution that includes neutrality with both Russia and the West.
I doubt NATO will take them. Germany especially is backing away. NATO has been successfully working on making itself extinct for a long while
NATO is not going to start a full-scale war for a country like Ukraine... Or Estonia... Or Finland.
The whole alliance is stupid.
We got those F-35´s without joining Nato.
And we will get other weapons too without joining anybody.
Quote from: Odinson post_id=436047 time=1643066020 user_id=136
NATO is not going to start a full-scale war for a country like Ukraine.
That's what I think too. Biden is so erratic, he might let his generals and the Lockheed Martin lobbysits have their way.
Quote from: cc post_id=436046 time=1643065722 user_id=88
I doubt NATO will take them. Germany especially is backing away. NATO has been successfully working on making itself extinct for a long while
Germany is bound by the NATO charter.
An attack on one country is an attack on all.
However, Ukraine is not in NATO, so it may become a debatable point. Germany's relationship with Russia is a little troubling, however.
I, too, doubt that NATO will waste human and military resources for Ukraine. But if the West let's Ukraine fall into Russian control, what of the Baltic nations?
Odi points out that Finland is not in NATO, and for good reason. It does not want to risk Russian ire.
The only way out that I can see is for Ukraine to abandon its hopes of joining NATO and to enter into a treaty with Russia.
Russia's expectations haven't been unreasonable and they don't want to invade the corrupt and economically defunct nation of Ukraine.
This problem is pure western aggression.
I think most people agree with that to some degree.
I would take umbrage if a military force began to circle Australia. Coralling Russia makes no sense.
Hunter Biden made a lot of money off of Ukraine. Does Jim Crow Joe need to protect his cokehead son's interests.
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Hunter Biden made a lot of money off of Ukraine. Does Jim Crow Joe need to protect his cokehead son's interests.
That and the ten percent for the big guy!
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Quote from: Herman post_id=436083 time=1643079355 user_id=1689
Hunter Biden made a lot of money off of Ukraine. Does Jim Crow Joe need to protect his cokehead son's interests.
That and the ten percent for the big guy!
ac_toofunny
:roll:
Markets are jittery over the situation in Eastern Europe.
Quote from: Bricktop post_id=436080 time=1643077099 user_id=1560
I think most people agree with that to some degree.
I would take umbrage if a military force began to circle Australia. Coralling Russia makes no sense.
Russia has proposed reconsidering the placement of "defensive" missile systems in the sovereign nations of Venezuela and Cuba should the West proceed along Russia's borders. :laugh:
I tipped my hat towards Russia on that one....
https://youtu.be/f8NC_-lgt6U
Quote from: "Dinky Dazza" post_id=436128 time=1643093409 user_id=1676
Quote from: Bricktop post_id=436080 time=1643077099 user_id=1560
I think most people agree with that to some degree.
I would take umbrage if a military force began to circle Australia. Coralling Russia makes no sense.
Russia has proposed reconsidering the placement of "defensive" missile systems in the sovereign nations of Venezuela and Cuba should the West proceed along Russia's borders. :laugh:
I tipped my hat towards Russia on that one....
Predicable repeat of the Cuban missile crisis.
Quote from: Bricktop post_id=436184 time=1643146871 user_id=1560
Quote from: "Dinky Dazza" post_id=436128 time=1643093409 user_id=1676
Quote from: Bricktop post_id=436080 time=1643077099 user_id=1560
I think most people agree with that to some degree.
I would take umbrage if a military force began to circle Australia. Coralling Russia makes no sense.
Russia has proposed reconsidering the placement of "defensive" missile systems in the sovereign nations of Venezuela and Cuba should the West proceed along Russia's borders. :laugh:
I tipped my hat towards Russia on that one....
Predicable repeat of the Cuban missile crisis.
I laughed a lot for it...The repeat is hilarious.
Russia is playing all their cards right.
Russian ire...
Russia cant attack Finland without suffering heavy losses... Which is our general defense-plan.
We´ll send wave after wave of negroes, gypsies and muslims... And Jews!
Asian suicide-bombers are the 2nd phase.
'For the vast majority of people, experiencing déjà vu is probably a good thing. It's a sign that the fact-checking brain regions are working well, preventing you from misremembering events.' - teh internet
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'For the vast majority of people, experiencing déjà vu is probably a good thing. It's a sign that the fact-checking brain regions are working well, preventing you from misremembering events.' - teh internet
Which event are you referring to cw_?
The annexation of Crimea?
Odison's history lesson ending with the second phase.
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Odison's history lesson ending with the second phase.
Ah, of course.
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Odison's history lesson ending with the second phase.
We are gonna load up cars with explosives and have Asians drive them.
The Russians cant hit a zig-zagging target like that.
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Odison's history lesson ending with the second phase.
We are gonna load up cars with explosives and have Asians drive them.
The Russians cant hit a zig-zagging target like that.
Maybe old Shen Li is looking for a new opportunity.
Quote from: Odinson post_id=436304 time=1643172504 user_id=136
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Odison's history lesson ending with the second phase.
We are gonna load up cars with explosives and have Asians drive them.
The Russians cant hit a zig-zagging target like that.
ac_lmfao
Leave it to the NDP. Three MP's compared the situation in Ukraine to the holocaust.
What is the NDP?
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What is the NDP?
The New Democratic Party......an extreme left wing, anti Israel, anti resource industry party and the third largest in our federal parliament.
and currently holding the keys to power
That sounds wonderful.
Your country is in a mess then.
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That sounds wonderful.
Your country is in a mess then.
Rub it in why don't ya.
Sorreeeeee....
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and currently holding the keys to power
Another election isn't likely to change that.
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and currently holding the keys to power
Another election isn't likely to change that.
True
Then don't vote. A voter's strike will send a clear message.
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Then don't vote. A voter's strike will send a clear message.
You would think the freedom convoy to Ottawa would too, but Justine says anybody who disaggrees with his woke ass doesn't represent Canadians. It's Justine who doesn't represent Canadians.
There is a race going on to recover a sunken F-35 in the South-China Sea.
The Chinese might want to steal it even though they are saying they have no such ambitions.
There is some conjecture about why the pilot lost control and ejected....
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There is some conjecture about why the pilot lost control and ejected....
The Chinese dont know how to make planes... Which is good.
Hopefully they wont get it.
Germany sends 5000 helmets to Ukraine.
And according to the Germans, its a "clear message" which side Germany is on.
Apparently Germany is siding with the Russians.
:laugh3:
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Germany sends 5000 helmets to Ukraine.
And according to the Germans, its a "clear message" which side Germany is on.
This sort of crap is why I earlier alluded to Germany not being one to count on for solid support
They have made themselves so dependent on Russia for fuel, they now cannot be a NATO force anymore
Germany has sold it's soul (assuming they had one) to Russia
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They have made themselves so dependent on Russia for fuel, they now cannot be a NATO force anymore
Germany has sold it's soul (assuming they had one) to Russia

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Horrors!!! If t'ain't a Shpellink Nazi :smiley_65:
Angry flower isn't a nazi, he's a passionate angiosperm.
You also don't seem to know the difference between role and roll.
I have a pair of roler skates.
ac_biggrin
I bought skait's instead
ac_lmfao
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They have made themselves so dependent on Russia for fuel, they now cannot be a NATO force anymore
Germany has sold it's soul (assuming they had one) to Russia

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For some reason it reminds me the words dessert and desert, never really bothered which is which. ac_biggrin
Well, you don't want to wander in the dessert then.
They won't put troops on the US border to stop that invasion yet they crow about Russia putting troops on its own border to deter NATO positioning missiles in the Ukraine.
Total madness....
The U.S. Department of Defense's top spokesman warned Sunday that Russia could invade Ukraine "at any time."
Putin is painting himself in a corner. If he does attack Ukraine, he will cause a major re-assessment of NATO's strategy regarding its member States. NATO will need to bolster its forces in Poland, Lithuania, Estonia, Latvia and perhaps Albania and Romania...in effect tightening the circle around Russian borders.
If he doesn't attack, he will be seen as a bluffer with no fortitude.
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Putin is painting himself in a corner. If he does attack Ukraine, he will cause a major re-assessment of NATO's strategy regarding its member States. NATO will need to bolster its forces in Poland, Lithuania, Estonia, Latvia and perhaps Albania and Romania...in effect tightening the circle around Russian borders.
If he doesn't attack, he will be seen as a bluffer with no fortitude.
I am not convinced an invasion of Ukraine will result in a containment strategy for NATO.
It's all a matter of conjecture right now. But what is clear is that if Putin pulls the pin, the world won't be the same, and Europe will be back to it's 1935 jitters. If NATO fails to respond, why not Lithuania? Estonia? Or Finland? Finland is not even part of NATO.
Putin is testing NATO because the West seems soft and weak. Putin has demonstrated his willingness to use military force in the past and will probably continue to do so unless he feels the price for engagement is too high. This is NATO's challenge.
The absurd logic that makes the West think sanctions are any form of deterrence is ludicrous. They have not changed Iran, North Korea or Cuba's policies and conduct. They sure as shit won't change Russia's.
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It's all a matter of conjecture right now. But what is clear is that if Putin pulls the pin, the world won't be the same, and Europe will be back to it's 1935 jitters. If NATO fails to respond, why not Lithuania? Estonia? Or Finland? Finland is not even part of NATO.
Putin is testing NATO because the West seems soft and weak. Putin has demonstrated his willingness to use military force in the past and will probably continue to do so unless he feels the price for engagement is too high. This is NATO's challenge.
The absurd logic that makes the West think sanctions are any form of deterrence is ludicrous. They have not changed Iran, North Korea or Cuba's policies and conduct. They sure as shit won't change Russia's.
I don't see the will in NATO to defend corrupt Ukraine let alone much else.
Nor I.
But on the flip side, they cannot sit idly by and not react to Russian aggression. That is the very reason NATO exists!!
However, I see no consequence that doesn't eventually harm Russian interests, other than NATO, the EU and non aligned States sit down and discuss how best to achieve a peaceful and safe Europe.
We in the Western sphere outside of Europe, the US, NZ, you guys and us don't appreciate how complex European politics and relationships are. They all share numerous borders with each other, and war spreads like Covid if it gets out of hand.
I'm on the same page as Freud. The West has created this dilemma by closing in on Russia with expanded military resources moving ever closer to their borders. Putin is saying enough is enough, because it is very clear that in the near future Ukraine will apply to join NATO to ensure its own security, and Russia will regard the stationing of NATO first strike weapons 300km from Moscow an act of aggression.
As much as we'd like to think Europe has learned from WW2, it becomes increasingly clear they haven't.
Personally, I'm grateful I don't live in Europe in these times.
Winter is coming....
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Nor I.
But on the flip side, they cannot sit idly by and not react to Russian aggression. That is the very reason NATO exists!!
However, I see no consequence that doesn't eventually harm Russian interests, other than NATO, the EU and non aligned States sit down and discuss how best to achieve a peaceful and safe Europe.
We in the Western sphere outside of Europe, the US, NZ, you guys and us don't appreciate how complex European politics and relationships are. They all share numerous borders with each other, and war spreads like Covid if it gets out of hand.
I'm on the same page as Freud. The West has created this dilemma by closing in on Russia with expanded military resources moving ever closer to their borders. Putin is saying enough is enough, because it is very clear that in the near future Ukraine will apply to join NATO to ensure its own security, and Russia will regard the stationing of NATO first strike weapons 300km from Moscow an act of aggression.
As much as we'd like to think Europe has learned from WW2, it becomes increasingly clear they haven't.
Personally, I'm grateful I don't live in Europe in these times.
Russia isn't being aggressive to a NATO member.
It's not being aggressive to anyone... at least no more so than what's being aggressively done to them. They've been very measured.
I just saw a headline.....the White House no longer believes an invasion of Ukraine is imminent.
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It's not being aggressive to anyone... at least no more so than what's being aggressively done to them. They've been very measured.
I'll buy you a cheap seats ticket
Has anyone heard from that bastion of global harmony and human freedoms, the UN, lately?
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It's not being aggressive to anyone... at least no more so than what's being aggressively done to them. They've been very measured.
I'll buy you a cheap seats ticket
Spend the money on restraints and a ball gag for yourself....
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Has anyone heard from that bastion of global harmony and human freedoms, the UN, lately?
What's that?
It's a conglomerate of important people from all the nations of the world that unifies and protects us from war, pestilence, famine and tyranny.
You must have heard of it...it costs a LOT of money to join.
It rings a bell now you mention it further.
Has it don't anything of value this past decade or so?
jinz
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Has it don't anything of value this past decade or so?
Well, I'm glad you asked.
Their health organisation (aptly named WHO) told us how the Western nations must fund the endemic strategies of the poorer nations, and that the plague did not originate in China.
Also, they told Syria off for being a very naughty country for using chemical weapons. Very sternly, I might add.
Where would we be without them? Add up the number of wealthy, western style nations such as the US, UK, Canada, Australia, the European nations, Japan, Korea and Israel.
Then add up the number of impoverished, backward, dictatorial, racist, anti-capitalist, anti-western and corrupt countries and remind yourself each vote is equally valuable when making resolutions. That is to say, if you offer them a lot of money the will vote your way. Ask China.
The President of Haiti has the same vote as the Canadian PM.
Seems fair.
No matter what Russia does, I don't believe NATO will do anything. Europe is facing an energy crunch. A new East to West gas pipeline has been built. Biden and Trudeau have made sure North America will not supply Europe's LNG Needs. There is nothing in it for EU members.
Do you then imply that if Russia invades Ukraine, Europe and the rest of the world will just shrug and walk on by?
Russia won't do anything before they deploy an equitable level of threat to NATO members and in the US case, Cuba. That's their strategy. Tit for tat.
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Do you then imply that if Russia invades Ukraine, Europe and the rest of the world will just shrug and walk on by?
They will thump their chests, send a few troops to countries like Poland, impose a few symbolic sanctions and not much else. EU NATO members don't want to freeze in the dark over the likes of Ukraine. On the other hand, something more than token gestures from the US would be a distaction from Biden's failures. The US jobs report for January came in-three hundred thousand jobs lost.
500,000 jobs all told
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500,000 jobs all told
You must be including the two hundred thousand jobs the US was expected to gain in January.
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500,000 jobs all told
You must be including the two hundred thousand jobs the US was expected to gain in January.
Yes
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Russia won't do anything before they deploy an equitable level of threat to NATO members and in the US case, Cuba. That's their strategy. Tit for tat.
Russia does not have an equitable threat to NATO, other than its nuclear arsenal.
As I've shown previously, Russia is heavily outgunned by NATO.
Russia is saying it won't invade. NATO is saying they won't commit troops. Meanwhile the tooth fairy and Santa Claus play backgammon on their unicorns.
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Russia won't do anything before they deploy an equitable level of threat to NATO members and in the US case, Cuba. That's their strategy. Tit for tat.
Russia does not have an equitable threat to NATO, other than its nuclear arsenal.
As I've shown previously, Russia is heavily outgunned by NATO.
Russia is saying it won't invade. NATO is saying they won't commit troops. Meanwhile the tooth fairy and Santa Claus play backgammon on their unicorns.
At the heart of the matter is the ability to launch missiles at a nation with no time to take measures. Russia's policy moving forward is to place missile systems the same distance away to NATO members as NATO members are keen to do to Russia.
Conventional armaments don't factor in.
It can already do that. It borders Poland, Estonia, Lithuania and Latvia.
If NATO put "purely defensive missile systems" that would never ever ever never be refitted for offensive nuclear warheads in Eastern Ukraine, Moscow would have no time to speak of in order to react.
It's all about the flight time....
It's a cold winter. Energy is in short supply. I doubt EU NATO members have any stomach to make sacrifices for Ukraine.
They are reluctant...
Doesn't mean anything though....
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If NATO put "purely defensive missile systems" that would never ever ever never be refitted for offensive nuclear warheads in Eastern Ukraine, Moscow would have no time to speak of in order to react.
It's all about the flight time....
We are not in disagreement on this issue.
If I was in Putin's shoes I'd probably consider demonstrating my chagrin as well by showing force.
But it is a high risk gamble because I would be fully aware that if NATO decided to make a move, I've run out of options.
I doubt that NATO will...but it has priors for intervening in non-NATO conflicts. It bombed Serbia in the mid 90's to force the Serbians out of Bosnia.
I'm certain there is a diplomatic path out of this circumstance, should the parties involved choose to go that way. But Russia cannot accept a solution that enables NATO missiles to be positioned 300km from Moscow.
Kennedy was prepared to go to war in the 60's for just that reason.
The Jim Crow Joe administration suspects Russia is planning to produce and broadcast "a video with graphic scenes of false explosions - depicting corpses, crisis actors pretending to be mourners, and images of destroyed locations or military equipment - entirely fabricated by Russian intelligence" to justify a further invasion of Ukraine. ac_toofunny
And surprise, surprise...Comrade Xi has sided with Russia.
Didn't see THAT coming. :001_rolleyes:
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And surprise, surprise...Comrade Xi has sided with Russia.
Didn't see THAT coming. :001_rolleyes:
China uses Russia as a political pawn.
China will use anybody as a political pawn if they can.
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China will use anybody as a political pawn if they can.
It's a very smart country.
Bumbling Biden threatening to shut down a pipeline not in his control after he removed the sanctions on it put in place by Trump.
https://twitter.com/townhallcom/status/1490791554088321024?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1490791554088321024%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.theblaze.com%2Fvideo%2Ftrust-me-biden-says-no-pipeline-for-russia-if-they-invade-ukraine-i-promise-you-we-ll-be-able-to-do-it
https://twitter.com/Stick_Pusher/status/1490796351495581697?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1490796351495581697%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.theblaze.com%2Fvideo%2Ftrust-me-biden-says-no-pipeline-for-russia-if-they-invade-ukraine-i-promise-you-we-ll-be-able-to-do-it
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China will use anybody as a political pawn if they can.
It's a very smart country.
It really such a smart country, or are Western leaders simply stump stupid?
and gutless
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China will use anybody as a political pawn if they can.
It's a very smart country.
It really such a smart country, or are Western leaders simply stump stupid?
and gutless
I will say both.
Putin and Macron had a very cosy meeting.
From that, signs of a "diplomatic" solution are peaking through the fog of war.
Seems innocuous...however, Putin is more accommodating towards European leaders than American.
The game plan has always been to create a "European" solution that sidelines the US. No US, no NATO.
Clever little bastard.
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Putin and Macron had a very cosy meeting.
From that, signs of a "diplomatic" solution are peaking through the fog of war.
Seems innocuous...however, Putin is more accommodating towards European leaders than American.
The game plan has always been to create a "European" solution that sidelines the US. No US, no NATO.
Clever little bastard.
He is a clever fucker.
Bringing Ukraine to EU rather than to Nato would have provided that additional feeling of security.
And Russia doesnt see EU as hostile.
Europe has been cucked by the USA since WW2.
Biden thinks he is in command.
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Bringing Ukraine to EU rather than to Nato would have provided that additional feeling of security.
And Russia doesnt see EU as hostile.
Europe has been cucked by the USA since WW2.
Biden thinks he is in command.
There is some truth in that. Russia does not have a trust issue with Europe, they have a trust issue with the US. I do not blame them either.
I think this is the core of the issue.
Russia has always wanted the warmongering US out of Europe.
In that, he has a lot more support among European nations than the US thinks. France is certainly happy to have a US-free Europe, to leave it to manage its own problems.
Now that the US is in a state of collapse, it is an opportune time to put some pressure on Europe and slyly hint that a deal can be done...without American interference. If that happens, US influence across the globe will collapse.
Their day is done.
White House is getting scared. Says Americans Should Immediately Begin To Evacuate From Ukraine
https://twitter.com/Breaking911/status/1492224141356933128?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1492224141356933128%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.weaselzippers.us%2F
If Russia moves now, it will become a global pariah, cementing it's notoriety as a bullying, lying, treacherous and dangerous member of the global community.
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If Russia moves now, it will become a global pariah, cementing it's notoriety as a bullying, lying, treacherous and dangerous member of the global community.
It's a pariah in the US and English speaking countries only. Europeans and Asians have a better understanding of the big bad Russian bear.
I view Russia favourably.... aside from its persistent problems like gay treatment, oligarchies, and Putin's reign.
It's doing what it should be doing on this issue.
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I view Russia favourably.... aside from its persistent problems like gay treatment, oligarchies, and Putin's reign.
It's doing what it should be doing on this issue.
I am indifferent. The Biden administration treats Iran more favourably for Christ sake.
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If Russia moves now, it will become a global pariah, cementing it's notoriety as a bullying, lying, treacherous and dangerous member of the global community.
I can agree with that
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usual
I am indifferent. The Biden administration treats Iran more favourably for Christ sake.
Iran is the more volatile & least likely to use reason and common sense .. It's run by wonky Fundy Armageddonist 12vers FFS
Both are dangerous because of leadership .. but Iran is more volatile
aa is on the sauce again...
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China will use anybody as a political pawn if they can.
It's a very smart country.
It really such a smart country, or are Western leaders simply stump stupid?
and gutless
I will say both.
Likely the case
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If Russia moves now, it will become a global pariah, cementing it's notoriety as a bullying, lying, treacherous and dangerous member of the global community.
It's a pariah in the US and English speaking countries only. Europeans and Asians have a better understanding of the big bad Russian bear.
I agree.
But if he fails to head Europe's warnings, his support there will collapse. Europeans won't trust Russia again.
There are some easy outs of this mess. But it seems the US is more concerned with ramping up the tension.
It's like Biden is sitting in his basement screaming "Hey guys, listen to me. Listen to MEEE!" as crickets chirp gleefully.
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I view Russia favourably.... aside from its persistent problems like gay treatment, oligarchies, and Putin's reign.
It's doing what it should be doing on this issue.
I am indifferent. The Biden administration treats Iran more favourably for Christ sake.
And Saudi Arabia and a few other states that finance global terror.
Things are looking kinda bleak for Ukraine.
They are training the Volkssturm.
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Things are looking kinda bleak for Ukraine.
They are training the Volkssturm.
Putin's boys must be shaking in their boots.
You going to go over there and fight for your ancestral home??
I´m thinking Herman is comfortable drinking barrel wash by the fireplace.
With his bunny slippers on.
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You going to go over there and fight for your ancestral home??
When I looked at buying farm land, Ukraine is one of the places I considered along with Argentina. I speak the language and I love the food, but the country is an East European version of Nigeria. It is so frickin corrupt. That's fine, I have lived in lots of corrupt shitholes, but not with a million dollar investment.
Despite all of Canada's problems I bought land here In Saskatchewan.
Were you from Sask, Herm?
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Were you from Sask, Herm?
Sure am. I farm near Kindersley. I was born in Regina, but I grew up between here and Unity.
Oh, thanks Herm. I knew where you were but not certain where from initially
I think you know most of my history starting with Oz till 6, .. Ontario until late teens, last 22 yrs here on the coast
& interim is quite scattered
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Oh, thanks Herm. I knew where you were but not certain where from initially
I think you know most of my history starting with Oz till 6, .. Ontario until late teens, last 22 yrs here on the coast
& interim is quite scattered
The only person that has lived in more places than you is me. :laugh3:
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The only person that has lived in more places than you is me. :laugh3:
True ac_toofunny .. You do have me beat
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True ac_toofunny .. You do have me beat
And cc does not say that often!!!
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Oh, thanks Herm. I knew where you were but not certain where from initially
I think you know most of my history starting with Oz till 6, .. Ontario until late teens, last 22 yrs here on the coast
& interim is quite scattered
The only person that has lived in more places than you is me. :laugh3:
I've definitely got her beat.
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Oh, thanks Herm. I knew where you were but not certain where from initially
I think you know most of my history starting with Oz till 6, .. Ontario until late teens, last 22 yrs here on the coast
& interim is quite scattered
The only person that has lived in more places than you is me. :laugh3:
Moving around is not for me. I don't like drastic change in my life. I was raised in the Willodale area of Toronto, living in the same house for the entire time. I was born in Korea, but I came to Canada as a baby, so obviously I don't remember it.
I moved about eighty kms North to Barrie for career and lifestyle improvments in my early thirties and have stayed. I had an offer to move to Calgary about seven years ago, but I turned it down. I'm comfortable where I am. I'll live at least six months a year in Florida when I reture, but that is as big a change as I want.
Russia Feels The Wrath Of Justin! Canadian Military Trainers Pulled Out Of Ukraine (//https)
Canadian military trainers were pulled out of Ukraine this weekend ahead of anticipated Russian military action, which allied intelligence agencies suggest could come this week.
CBC News has learned that the contingent of roughly 260 soldiers has arrived in Poland, but it's unclear whether that will be their final destination.
Here's a possible twist.
If Putin invades, Biden's hopes of a re-election are over.
The Russia hate propaganda and vilification is on all the fake news MSM channels here now. Nobody is giving out unbiased assessments.
It's a mass psychosis and it will potentially be the cause of larger suffering and death on this globe.
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Here's a possible twist.
If Putin invades, Biden's hopes of a re-election are over.
Like he ever had a chance of being re-elected.
FYI invading Russia is gonna be a lot of this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CPl67ItUa7Q
Quote from: Odinson post_id=439296 time=1644809372 user_id=136
FYI invading Russia is gonna be a lot of this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CPl67ItUa7Q
:laugh:
Yep.
Because Russian takes are supreme!!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ZLKkA4DuSM
Quote from: Bricktop post_id=439311 time=1644811679 user_id=1560
Yep.
Because Russian takes are supreme!!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ZLKkA4DuSM
It takes great skill to do a side-wheelie with a tank. ac_biggrin
You know those guys crawled out of the tank laughing.
Until their CO saw the damage...
Quote from: Bricktop post_id=439371 time=1644876253 user_id=1560
Until their CO saw the damage...
I wouldnt be surprised if it was the General-Oberst himself showing the boys how its done. :laugh3:
Thats why the guys are laughing.
150k Russian troops a long the border now.
The number has increased despite of saying that they are pulling back. ac_umm
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150k Russian troops a long the border now.
The number has increased despite of saying that they are pulling back. ac_umm
A hell of a bargaining chip for Moscow.
The best tactic would be to move the entire population of Ukraine to Poland.
The Russkies are gonna be all confused when they find the whole place abandoned.
They´ll leave because there is nobody to rule over.
After that, move the Ukrainians back in.
ac_umm
Looks like there's a mass evacuation of women, children, and the elderly from Eastern Ukraine to Russia as they're getting shelled by the fuckwit Ukrainian government.
Schools closed, run on banks and ATM's....
Quote from: Odinson post_id=439869 time=1645128818 user_id=136
The best tactic would be to move the entire population of Ukraine to Poland.
The Russkies are gonna be all confused when they find the whole place abandoned.
They´ll leave because there is nobody to rule over.
After that, move the Ukrainians back in.
Now there's a novel tactic
Russia doesn't want the Ukraine. They just don't want NATO squatting in it...
That's a no-brainer
And a valid stance.
Quote from: "Dinky Dazza" post_id=439999 time=1645200777 user_id=1676
Looks like there's a mass evacuation of women, children, and the elderly from Eastern Ukraine to Russia as they're getting shelled by the fuckwit Ukrainian government.
Schools closed, run on banks and ATM's....
They have either lost their marbles... Or it is the fake casus belli Putin has been waiting for.
There are unconfirmed rumours that Hasidim Jews in NYC are sending their young people to their summer vacation homes outside of the city.
Why would they be doing that?
They're a very small minority and they fear escalations impacting NYC.... Sending the young ones 100-120 miles away is a hedge.
WTF is the connection between a Russian attack on Ukraine with jews in NY???
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WTF is the connection between a Russian attack on Ukraine with jews in NY???
I was about to ask that. :laugh3:
There's been a Russian sub (one of the flagships of the Cold War) popping up along the East Coast for awhile now, and US flight logs for suspected sniffer planes running triangulation runs around US waters and near the cities.....particularly NYC.
It's part of the grandstanding or brinkmanship which both nations are engaging in over the Ukraine issue and US subs have done similarly near or in Russian waters.
If the escalations go hot, NYC would be toast.
And as we all should be aware, the Jews are a suspicious lot.... particularly the minority Jews.
A good article with Scott Ritter on a US sub getting sprung doing similar manoeuvres in the Kuril chain:
https://www.rt.com/news/549914-us-submarine-russian-waters/
There's been mentions of equal operations near Norway.
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If the escalations go hot, NYC would be toast.
Russia would cease to exist.
Quote from: "Dinky Dazza" post_id=440236 time=1645255759 user_id=1676
There's been a Russian sub (one of the flagships of the Cold War) popping up along the East Coast for awhile now, and US flight logs for suspected sniffer planes running triangulation runs around US waters and near the cities.....particularly NYC.
It's part of the grandstanding or brinkmanship which both nations are engaging in over the Ukraine issue and US subs have done similarly near or in Russian waters.
If the escalations go hot, NYC would be toast.
And as we all should be aware, the Jews are a suspicious lot.... particularly the minority Jews.
Russian naval ships enter Canadian waters in the Arctic every year. Aint a big deal.
Its on.
The Russian army has crossed the border to Ukraine.
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Quote from: "Dinky Dazza" post_id=440236 time=1645255759 user_id=1676
If the escalations go hot, NYC would be toast.
Russia would cease to exist.
Millions more of them would exist compared to Americans.
Quote from: Odinson post_id=440338 time=1645329368 user_id=136
Its on.
The Russian army has crossed the border to Ukraine.
I cannot find it. Post your link.
There's no proof of it so far. Just Western powers naming unknown sources.
Same old same old.
Quote from: "Dinky Dazza" post_id=440364 time=1645335468 user_id=1676
There's no proof of it so far. Just Western powers naming unknown sources.
Same old same old.
That dang Odinson told a fib.
Dang you Odinson. Dang you to H E double toothpicks.
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Quote from: Odinson post_id=440338 time=1645329368 user_id=136
Its on.
The Russian army has crossed the border to Ukraine.
I cannot find it. Post your link.
I got the full link right here.

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Its on.
The Russian army has crossed the border to Ukraine.
I cannot find it. Post your link.
I got the full link right here.

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I would believe him too.
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Dang you Odinson. Dang you to H E double toothpicks.
Got scared, didnt you. :icon_wink:
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Quote from: cw_ post_id=440369 time=1645336534 user_id=3226
Dang you Odinson. Dang you to H E double toothpicks.
Got scared, didnt you. :icon_wink:
Of What? The clown at the bowling alley.
Women and children being evacuated to Russian territory:
https://www.bitchute.com/video/GvZSfDuDYg3X/
Russians living overseas might be advised to return home ASAP as well.
Macron and Putin agree that a diplomatic solution to the Ukraine crisis is needed after a weekend phone call.
Putin is recognizing the separatist zones as independent states.
He is also calling Ukrainian lands as ancient Russian lands and modern Ukraine as a state formed by the Soviet Union.
Quote from: Odinson post_id=440585 time=1645469419 user_id=136
Putin is recognizing the separatist zones as independent states.
He is also calling Ukrainian lands as ancient Russian lands and modern Ukraine as a state formed by the Soviet Union.
But, as the same time reassuring France he will not invade.
I support Russia and the Eastern regions of Ukraine.
Quote from: "Dinky Dazza" post_id=440599 time=1645476255 user_id=1676
I support Russia and the Eastern regions of Ukraine.
I'm not taking sides.
I can't support how NATO and the US have behaved at all with Ukraine..... all the way back to Victoria Nuland.....
I hate that corrupt greedy piece of shit Zelenskyy. He will sellout Ukrainians to the highest bidder.
I don't know much about him.
But I'd find it hard to believe he is any less corrupt, devious, untruthful and corrupt than that dictator, Putin.
Quote from: Bricktop post_id=440627 time=1645482421 user_id=1560
I don't know much about him.
But I'd find it hard to believe he is any less corrupt, devious, untruthful and corrupt than that dictator, Putin.
There is a major difference between them. Old Putin actually gives a shit about the prosperity of his people. Zelenskyy cares only about himself.
Seems Ukraine has a problem finding an honest President.
Quote from: Bricktop post_id=440636 time=1645483415 user_id=1560
Seems Ukraine has a problem finding an honest President.
Ukraine has a problem finding an honest person period. It's like the Nigeria of Eastern Europe. I would have bought farm land in Ukraine if wasn't so dang corrupt.
Quote from: Bricktop post_id=440627 time=1645482421 user_id=1560
I don't know much about him.
But I'd find it hard to believe he is any less corrupt, devious, untruthful and corrupt than that dictator, Putin.
Putin is an angel by comparison...
Fears Of World War Three Escalate As EXPLOSIONS Rock Ukraine, Russia Formally Backs Separatists.:
https://www.bitchute.com/video/L4KZAJZDTn8/
This is just one guy expressing an opinion, not an informed reflection of reality.
He's a nobody with a microphone and video camera. Entitled to his views, but far from an authority.
He's done a lot of on the ground reporting from hot zones like Hong Kong, Venezuela, Turkey, Ukraine, Thailand, Egypt, et cetera, and has had multitudes of knowledgable guests on his podcasts over the years.
If he's a "nobody", then the MSM is nothing.
He's probably a nobody to you because you're older and unaware.
Worth a watch....
End of an American empire
https://www.bitchute.com/video/fsBC0DzFo5Lx/
The Russians are welding cages over their tanks should the American Javelin anti tank missiles being supplied to Ukraine be used:

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The top armor on tanks are the weakest point and Javelins are designed to impact it.....but if detonated a few feet away, the tank and/or the crew survive.
Those Russians are industrious lads.... :laugh:
Quote from: "Dinky Dazza" post_id=440707 time=1645501475 user_id=1676
Worth a watch....
End of an American empire
https://www.bitchute.com/video/fsBC0DzFo5Lx/
The Democrats are the more effective evil. They do get away with what the GOP cannot.
Quote from: "Dinky Dazza" post_id=440707 time=1645501475 user_id=1676
Worth a watch....
End of an American empire
They are in an estuary of deep excrement. And they don't even have a boat...let alone a paddle.
Quote from: "Dinky Dazza" post_id=440712 time=1645502136 user_id=1676
The Russians are welding cages over their tanks should the American Javelin anti tank missiles being supplied to Ukraine be used:

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The top armor on tanks are the weakest point and Javelins are designed to impact it.....but if detonated a few feet away, the tank and/or the crew survive.
Those Russians are industrious lads.... :laugh:
Its been around since WW2.
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Quote from: "Dinky Dazza" post_id=440712 time=1645502136 user_id=1676
The Russians are welding cages over their tanks should the American Javelin anti tank missiles being supplied to Ukraine be used:

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The top armor on tanks are the weakest point and Javelins are designed to impact it.....but if detonated a few feet away, the tank and/or the crew survive.
Those Russians are industrious lads.... :laugh:
Its been around since WW2.
Not the Javelin anti-tank missile..... the reason for the ad hoc structures.
Quote from: "Dinky Dazza" post_id=440741 time=1645510258 user_id=1676
Quote from: Odinson post_id=440740 time=1645510126 user_id=136
Quote from: "Dinky Dazza" post_id=440712 time=1645502136 user_id=1676
The Russians are welding cages over their tanks should the American Javelin anti tank missiles being supplied to Ukraine be used:

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The top armor on tanks are the weakest point and Javelins are designed to impact it.....but if detonated a few feet away, the tank and/or the crew survive.
Those Russians are industrious lads.... :laugh:
Its been around since WW2.
Not the Javelin anti-tank missile..... the reason for the ad hoc structures.
Yes but its a standard way to protect tanks from AT rounds.
They should put it on the sides and back as well.
The Ukraine crisis is on Joseph Biden. And I'm not just talking about how he treated that country as his family's piggy bank, with his son making a fortune off their energy giant Burisma while Joe himself threatened to withhold aid to Ukraine unless they fired the prosecutor investigating the famously corrupt company.
Unscrupulous and immoral as that was, I'm talking about something even worse. I'm talking about how he made Ukraine a gift to Vladimir Putin.
On Jan. 20, 2020, Biden canceled presidential approval of the Keystone XL pipeline. That was followed by a slew of other actions on energy, eliminating the United States' newly won energy independence and ability to export its surplus.
With all this, Vladimir might have fainted, if he ever does such a thing, at his good fortune.
It meant Germany, Europe's powerhouse, as well as many other countries, would be more dependent on Mother Russia for warmth the coming winter (and many more) via the Nord Stream 2 pipeline.
https://twitter.com/MedvedevRussiaE/status/1496112456858574849?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1496112456858574849%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.theblaze.com%2Fnews%2Fgermany-suspends-critical-oil-pipeline-with-russia-triggering-astronomical-threat-by-russia
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https://twitter.com/MedvedevRussiaE/status/1496112456858574849?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1496112456858574849%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.theblaze.com%2Fnews%2Fgermany-suspends-critical-oil-pipeline-with-russia-triggering-astronomical-threat-by-russia
EU made it's bed. Germany was the key pusher on it and others followed ... digging Europe's grave
If things escalate much further, there will be chaos in Europe's energy markets which will flow on down to manufacturing stoppages, fuel shortages, heating/cooling, food prices, and deaths of the elderly and infirm, not to mention rioting....
There's only 7-17% of energy reserves on hand currently.
The Ukrainian government said it was hit with another critical cyber attack on Wednesday, this one taking down several government websites and banks.
The price forecast for fuel looks depressing.
These sanctions have no impact on Americans.

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No joke this time..
Russia has started military operations on Ukraine.
Explosions in Kiev and distant gunfire heard all over Ukraine.
Military airfield in Kiev is under "rocket fire".
Russian troops in Mariupol and Odessa.
The reports say that Russians are invading from all sides.
Good for Russia.
I hope they retake all of the Ukraine.
I dont know what city it is but its getting bombed thoroughly.
There are a number of cities throughout Ukraine getting hit and launching ordinance....
Its Mariupol... The sky is flashing in there.
Military command centres in Kiev and Kharkiv have been hit by missile strikes.

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The Ruusskies are getting close to where my family is from. They aint going to occupy all of Ukraine.
They'll just take out the corrupt Ukrainian government's ability to punish the breakaway republics...
But Ukraine would be better off if Russia sweeped in and liberated them....
What is the endgame and exit strategy for Russia?
If only NATO had backed away and not bring enemy military behind Russian border.
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The Ruusskies are getting close to where my family is from. They aint going to occupy all of Ukraine.
Probably stop at Dnieper river.
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What is the endgame and exit strategy for Russia?
No NATO missiles within a 5 minute strike time of Moscow, no mistreatment of ethnic Russians and Russian speakers in the breakaway republics, and precision strikes on the Ukraine's ability to foment war.
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Quote from: Herman post_id=441142 time=1645681489 user_id=1689
The Ruusskies are getting close to where my family is from. They aint going to occupy all of Ukraine.
Probably stop at Dnieper river.
I was thinking even before that. But, we will see.
Ukrainian military reports that they have shot down five (5) Russian airplanes and one (1) Helicopter.
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Ukrainian military reports that they have shot down five (5) Russian airplanes and one (1) Helicopter.
I should start watching and reading the news again.
I ordered something from Etsy and it shipped from Russia, I wonder if it will be held up in customs. A lot of the really talented sellers on Etsy are from Russia, they are really friendly and always include extra gifts with your order.
Chernobyl is just north of Kiev. Russia is going to miss, blow Chernobyl apart and kill all of Europe with radiation.

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Quote from: Odinson post_id=441162 time=1645683843 user_id=136
Ukrainian military reports that they have shot down five (5) Russian airplanes and one (1) Helicopter.
I should start watching and reading the news again.
It was refuted.
At this point Russia says 1 aircraft was lost.
[size=150]Videos from Ukraine[/size]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wYrztBmlOCQ
https://www.bitchute.com/video/CDaEewObFfhr/
Putin announced a military invasion of Ukraine at about 5 a.m. Thursday local time.
He had previously said on Monday that Russia would recognize the independence of two regions where pro-Russian troops had held a presence for years.
In a video announcement, Putin claimed that the military operation was to demilitarize Ukraine because of the threat of it joining the North Atlantic Treaty Organization.
"All responsibility for the possible bloodletting will be on the conscience of the current Ukrainian regime," said Putin according to one translation. "Truth and strength are on our side."
He went on to claim that it was not Russia's intention to occupy the country.
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Putin announced a military invasion of Ukraine at about 5 a.m. Thursday local time.
He had previously said on Monday that Russia would recognize the independence of two regions where pro-Russian troops had held a presence for years.
In a video announcement, Putin claimed that the military operation was to demilitarize Ukraine because of the threat of it joining the North Atlantic Treaty Organization.
"All responsibility for the possible bloodletting will be on the conscience of the current Ukrainian regime," said Putin according to one translation. "Truth and strength are on our side."
He went on to claim that it was not Russia's intention to occupy the country.
This is what Im hearing too.
Also, someone pointed out the connections with US biolabs, with the "military installations" being hit. The US considers the biolabs military installations.
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Quote from: seoulbro post_id=441219 time=1645722912 user_id=114
Putin announced a military invasion of Ukraine at about 5 a.m. Thursday local time.
He had previously said on Monday that Russia would recognize the independence of two regions where pro-Russian troops had held a presence for years.
In a video announcement, Putin claimed that the military operation was to demilitarize Ukraine because of the threat of it joining the North Atlantic Treaty Organization.
"All responsibility for the possible bloodletting will be on the conscience of the current Ukrainian regime," said Putin according to one translation. "Truth and strength are on our side."
He went on to claim that it was not Russia's intention to occupy the country.
This is what Im hearing too.
Also, someone pointed out the connections with US biolabs, with the "military installations" being hit. The US considers the biolabs military installations.
I haven't read that yet. But, I wil check.
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Putin announced a military invasion of Ukraine at about 5 a.m. Thursday local time.
He had previously said on Monday that Russia would recognize the independence of two regions where pro-Russian troops had held a presence for years.
In a video announcement, Putin claimed that the military operation was to demilitarize Ukraine because of the threat of it joining the North Atlantic Treaty Organization.
"All responsibility for the possible bloodletting will be on the conscience of the current Ukrainian regime," said Putin according to one translation. "Truth and strength are on our side."
He went on to claim that it was not Russia's intention to occupy the country.
This is what Im hearing too.
Also, someone pointed out the connections with US biolabs, with the "military installations" being hit. The US considers the biolabs military installations.
I haven't read that yet. But, I wil check.
Prolly wont find it on the news. Its a "conspiracy" right now lol.
I didnt listen to the audio, but it shows the tweets of the guy who noticed the similarities. Here ya go.....
https://media.gab.com/system/media_attachments/files/099/731/861/original/aad096f501c0b39e.mp4
The account got suspended, so could be true lol....

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The leaders of two separatist regions in eastern Ukraine have asked Russian President Vladimir Putin for military assistance.
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The leaders of two separatist regions in eastern Ukraine have asked Russian President Vladimir Putin for military assistance.
Yup.
And Ukraine aint happy about it.
I sure hope they don't spread material from bitshite US bio-labs
ac_smile
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I sure hope they don't spread material from bitshite US bio-labs
ac_smile
Psst...
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Seoul is getting tired of these juvenile attacks in thread after thread on the main board and I don't blame him.
Gotta poke and poke dont ya CC. Perhaps you should simmer down on the main board. Take your toilet humor to Rejected where it belongs.
Russian forces have seized Chernobyl nuclear plant (//https)

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Russian forces took control of the Chernobyl nuclear power plant on Thursday after brief but fierce fighting with Ukrainian troops, officials have revealed.
Myhailo Podolyak, a presidential adviser, revealed to the Associated Press that Ukrainian officials do not know the current condition of the power plant or if it remains safe.
"After the absolutely senseless attack of the Russians in this direction, it is impossible to say that the Chernobyl nuclear power plant is safe," he said.
John Kerry needs to reassess his priorities.
John Kerry cautioned Wednesday that Russia's war on Ukraine will distract the international community from one of the Biden administration's top national security priorities: climate change.
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As of Thursday morning, Ukraine reported at least 40 soldiers and up to 10 civilians had been killed in the shocking military advance, though those numbers are expected to rise in the coming hours and days.
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John Kerry needs to reassess his priorities.
John Kerry cautioned Wednesday that Russia's war on Ukraine will distract the international community from one of the Biden administration's top national security priorities: climate change.
They have just taken Chernobyl (the very pollution mess Russia made initially) & he worries about climate (which is based upon pollution)
Classic idiocy
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John Kerry needs to reassess his priorities.
John Kerry cautioned Wednesday that Russia's war on Ukraine will distract the international community from one of the Biden administration's top national security priorities: climate change.
They have just taken Chernobyl (the mess Russia made initially) & he worries about climate (which is based upon pollution)
Classic idiocy
I heard even Greta rolled her eyes at Kerry's comments.
On my lunch break, Global Calgary interrupted their news broadcast to deliver a Q&A with President Biden..
He seemed disoriented and he warned of grave consequences for Russia.
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On my lunch break, Global Calgary interrupted their news broadcast to deliver a Q&A with President Biden..
He seemed disoriented and he warned of grave consequences for Russia.
He did badly when questioned - Laffed continually and embarrassingly when confused by questions
Putin has his foot on Ukraine's throat as he pulls the trigger.
Trouble is, he has forgotten to remove his foot.
This will cost Russia enormously.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h42d4fBKeBE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k1TQ5_e27L4
I contacted a distant relative in Dnipropetrovsk Oblast. She told me all was normal, but she heard the armoury nearby was hit with a missle strike.
I dont want Nato in Europe at all.
NATO has kept Europe as weak, pussified bunch of pacifists since WW2.
Without it, we would have our own powerful militaries and navies.
Now... A country like the UK cant even manage 1 week bombardment of a country like Libya... Has to call the USA for help.
Our military leaders are so used to being Americas bottom-bitch that they cant even think of being without the daddy.
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I dont want Nato in Europe at all.
NATO has kept Europe as weak, pussified bunch of pacifists since WW2.
Without it, we would have our own powerful militaries and navies.
Now... A country like the UK cant even manage 1 week bombardment of a country like Libya... Has to call the USA for help.
Our military leaders are so used to being Americas bottom-bitch that they cant even think of being without the daddy.
Do you know why NATO is still around? Because Raytheon and Lockheed Martin lobby congress and members of the European parliament in Brussels. That's it. NATO exists only because mego arms manufacturers spend tons of money buying politicians who convince the public of the artificial need for that outdated alliance.
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Without it, we would have our own powerful militaries and navies.
Who would pay for these military powerhouses?
European nations are not known for developing independent powerful militaries, as one Adolf Hitler will attest. France was considered to be a military powerhouse and they laid down their arms when Germany invaded.
European safety requires European unity. That is not to say that NATO is the answer. I think most of us agree that it is in some ways responsible for Ukraine's plight.
But to think that a fragmented Europe can contain Russia might be overly optimistic. You're asking a pack of dogs to contain a caged bear, when should the bear break out of the cage, most of the dogs will turn and run.
The European Union is considering a joint military force of up to 5,000 troops by 2025 to intervene in a range of crises and without relying on the United States, according to a draft plan. A good post NATO idea that should be expanded.
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I dont want Nato in Europe at all.
NATO has kept Europe as weak, pussified bunch of pacifists since WW2.
Without it, we would have our own powerful militaries and navies.
Now... A country like the UK cant even manage 1 week bombardment of a country like Libya... Has to call the USA for help.
Our military leaders are so used to being Americas bottom-bitch that they cant even think of being without the daddy.
No offense but I highly doubt this will be any where near possible with the far left wing socialist policies you guys have right now, the problem Europeans aren't as hard working as they were before, same applies some other developed nations.
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I dont want Nato in Europe at all.
NATO has kept Europe as weak, pussified bunch of pacifists since WW2.
Without it, we would have our own powerful militaries and navies.
Now... A country like the UK cant even manage 1 week bombardment of a country like Libya... Has to call the USA for help.
Our military leaders are so used to being Americas bottom-bitch that they cant even think of being without the daddy.
No offense but I highly doubt this will be any where near possible with the far left wing socialist policies you guys have right now, the problem Europeans aren't as hard working as they were before, same applies some other developed nations.
They take the the US security umbrella for granted. Trump rocked the boat and reminded Europe it aint the American taxpayers responsibility to pay for the security of rich European states.
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Do you know why NATO is still around? Because Raytheon and Lockheed Martin lobby congress and members of the European parliament in Brussels. That's it. NATO exists only because mego arms manufacturers spend tons of money buying politicians who convince the public of the artificial need for that outdated alliance.
:smiley_thumbs_up_yellow_ani:
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I dont want Nato in Europe at all.
NATO has kept Europe as weak, pussified bunch of pacifists since WW2.
Without it, we would have our own powerful militaries and navies.
Now... A country like the UK cant even manage 1 week bombardment of a country like Libya... Has to call the USA for help.
Our military leaders are so used to being Americas bottom-bitch that they cant even think of being without the daddy.
No offense but I highly doubt this will be any where near possible with the far left wing socialist policies you guys have right now, the problem Europeans aren't as hard working as they were before, same applies some other developed nations.
They take the the US security umbrella for granted. Trump rocked the boat and reminded Europe it aint the American taxpayers responsibility to pay for the security of rich European states.
Yea, a lot of service has been taken for granted and some has been abused by a group of people. I remember Odinson once said people picking berries deserve to make a living, no offense to him but good luck funding national defense with that kind of entitlement. Even if they heavily defunded the military, I wouldn't be surprised if the government will still be in a deficit just paying off the country's social assistance and welfare support. ac_unsure
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Do you know why NATO is still around? Because Raytheon and Lockheed Martin lobby congress and members of the European parliament in Brussels. That's it. NATO exists only because mego arms manufacturers spend tons of money buying politicians who convince the public of the artificial need for that outdated alliance.
:smiley_thumbs_up_yellow_ani:
No doubt Herman knows a lot others don't. ac_cool
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I dont want Nato in Europe at all.
NATO has kept Europe as weak, pussified bunch of pacifists since WW2.
Without it, we would have our own powerful militaries and navies.
Now... A country like the UK cant even manage 1 week bombardment of a country like Libya... Has to call the USA for help.
Our military leaders are so used to being Americas bottom-bitch that they cant even think of being without the daddy.
No offense but I highly doubt this will be any where near possible with the far left wing socialist policies you guys have right now, the problem Europeans aren't as hard working as they were before, same applies some other developed nations.
They take the the US security umbrella for granted. Trump rocked the boat and reminded Europe it aint the American taxpayers responsibility to pay for the security of rich European states.
Yea, a lot of service has been taken for granted and some has been abused by a group of people. I remember Odinson once said people picking berries deserve to make a living, no offense to him but good luck funding national defense with that kind of entitlement. Even if they heavily defunded the military, I wouldn't be surprised if the government will still be in a deficit just paying off the country's social assistance and welfare support. ac_unsure
I want NATO disbanded. Canada and the US have NORAD. The Europeans need their own alliance. The rapid deployment force is a good start.
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Putin has his foot on Ukraine's throat as he pulls the trigger.
Trouble is, he has forgotten to remove his foot.
This will cost Russia enormously.
Brother, what you are seeing is a repeat of 2008 when Russia invaded Georgia because they had a government that sought NATO membership. Russia recognized the majority ethnic Russia South Ossentia as a sovereign state. They invaded Georgia, occupied it briefly and Georgia has never sought nor been offered NATO membership again.
About Georgia, they have some of the beautiful gals in the world. Dang, Georgian women are hot.
Pics??
I think the whole world gets why Russia acted as it did, and there is some merit to their argument.
But Russia is not known for its integrity and willingness to compromise and negotiate. Put another way...can anyone really say they trust Russia to abide by any treaties?
I sure as shit don't.
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Pics??
I think the whole world gets why Russia acted as it did, and there is some merit to their argument.
But Russia is not known for its integrity and willingness to compromise and negotiate. Put another way...can anyone really say they trust Russia to abide by any treaties?
I sure as shit don't.
Look, I'm Ukrainian, but I cannot stand that corrupt stooge of Brussels and Washington, Zelenskyy.
The probem as I see it is NATO. Speaking Ukrainian/Russian, that organization's existence is seen as only to bring Russia to heel. It is an insult to Russians. No, it is more than that. It is a stick in the eye. Most Russians believe the US wants to dominate them and turn the country into a vassal state. Their actions in Georgia and Ukraine solidify that suspicion.
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On my lunch break, Global Calgary interrupted their news broadcast to deliver a Q&A with President Biden..
He seemed disoriented and he warned of grave consequences for Russia.
He did badly when questioned - Laffed continually and embarrassingly when confused by questions
Get in the penalty box for flagrant violations of mind your own nation rules.... ac_hithere
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Pics??
I don't have any pictures of Georgian gals, but look what I Googled.

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I´m willing to take a few hot Ukrainian female refugees to live in my house.
I just like helping people in need.
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I´m willing to take a few hot Ukrainian female refugees to live in my house.
I just like helping people in need.
Brother, you are a selfless humanitarian. You should be nominated for a Nobel prize.
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I´m willing to take a few hot Ukrainian female refugees to live in my house.
I just like helping people in need.
Brother, you are a selfless humanitarian. You should be nominated for a Nobel prize.
Sorry guys.... your comments are irrelevant now....

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Pics??
I think the whole world gets why Russia acted as it did, and there is some merit to their argument.
But Russia is not known for its integrity and willingness to compromise and negotiate. Put another way...can anyone really say they trust Russia to abide by any treaties?
I sure as shit don't.
Look, I'm Ukrainian, but I cannot stand that corrupt stooge of Brussels and Washington, Zelenskyy.
The probem as I see it is NATO. Speaking Ukrainian/Russian, that organization's existence is seen as only to bring Russia to heel. It is an insult to Russians. No, it is more than that. It is a stick in the eye. Most Russians believe the US wants to dominate them and turn the country into a vassal state. Their actions in Georgia and Ukraine solidify that suspicion.
I think we are in general agreement, as are many in the west.
NATO exists to corral Russia. That is it.
There should have been diplomatic dialogue to resolve this issue, but every relevant nation and organisation has dropped the ball.
Now it's too late. Russia cannot lose face and stop attacking, and NATO cannot lose face by agreeing to terms. The facts seem to demonstrate that neither side trusts the other...and there are good reasons for that distrust too. Putin can't go about murdering people in other countries and locking up political adversaries and claim to be talking to the West in good faith. Europe doesn't, and can't trust him.
NATO cannot continue to claim that Russia isn't a military target when it's forces encircle that nation, and no other.
As usual, politicians are fucking up the world and killing people.
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I´m willing to take a few hot Ukrainian female refugees to live in my house.
I just like helping people in need.
Brother, you are a selfless humanitarian. You should be nominated for a Nobel prize.
He is a saint. He should at least get the "boobie" prize :icon_wink:
I wonder if the lawyers Association IHJ mentioned somewhere tonight can get somewhere with their efforts to bring immigration under control?
Irrelevant!
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I think we are in general agreement, as are many in the west.
NATO exists to corral Russia. That is it.
Yep, that's true. But, I would add to that mega military contractors own the US congress and have influence in Europe too.
A bunch of Finnish-Russians are feeling the Russian-guilt.
Grow balls.
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A bunch of Finnish-Russians are feeling the Russian-guilt.
Grow balls.
Why?
Biden on Thursday said that U.S. forces will not be ordered to fight in Ukraine following the Russian invasion of the country earlier in the day.Biden on Thursday said that U.S. forces will not be ordered to fight in Ukraine following the Russian invasion of the country earlier in the day.
This Ukraine temporary crisis is making the Biden regime look like amateurs.
U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken said Thursday that Russia's military invasion of Ukraine is likely only part of Russian President Vladimir Putin's designs for the European continent.
Politico reported Thursday that Putin was "playing Biden all along." Reuters, too, reported that Biden's negotiating returned zero results.
They applied not even "medium" level sanctions, which must have Putin rolling on the floor in laughter
There are sanctions the West could have applied that would cripple him, but the balls to do that are missing
Bending Russia's macroeconomic fortunes (//https)— and Putin's calculus — would have required targeting the country's financial system as well as key exports such as oil. Such sanctions would have significant effects on Russia's economy and perhaps on the global financial system, which is why U.S. officials have been hesitant to go this far. But averting a war is a tall order and, unfortunately, wouldn't have been cost-free.
"Smart" or "targeted" sanctions won't work. and aren't
To really impose pain on Russia, the U.S. and Europe will have to bear some burden, too — although, fortunately, there are ways to minimize the fallout for Western economies.
At this moment of maximum leverage (now mainly gone as attack has begun) , the U.S. would have had to signal clearly that if Putin orders an invasion, it would have quickly imposed massive, immediate costs on the Russian economy as a whole, not just a few limited targets. It was up to the Biden administration to show it was prepared to absorb some economic and political damage to prevent Putin from choosing war.
Er... before you go wailing on Biden and Europe for "meekness" (and you will know I am no Biden fan), imposing the harshest responses from the get go will in itself create a problem.
You will have spent all your ammunition before the game is over.
The West will not impose maximum force yet because it will need something in its pocket if they can get Russia to the negotiating table. It must hold back on some measures to encourage an opportunity for diplomacy.
It's how the game is played.
Canada supports cutting them off the "Swift" system which would hurt
Again, "would have been" strong & effective .. but now late outa the gate
I got to hand it to old Putin, he is a smart mofo. He goes and signs trade deals with India, China, South Korea and some other Asian countries to increase wheat and energy exports to offset European sanctions. He starts using cryptocurrency as payment. All of this well before he started massing troops on Ukraine's border.
This has been building since 2014.
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I got to hand it to old Putin, he is a smart mofo. He goes and signs trade deals with India, China, South Korea and some other Asian countries to increase wheat and energy exports to offset European sanctions. He starts using crypt as payment. All of this well before he started massing troops on Ukraine's border.
While definitely all good moves, I see all of them merely as "what one would naturally do" & obvious .. nothing requiring special brilliance
Crypto is where the fun "could" start ... the very top hackers are going 24/7
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=595Esg6Mz0U
Once again, Russell offers commentary that will make people think.
In effect, what he says here is that Western outrage at Russia is hypocrisy based on their own history of military actions, and ignores the fact that NATO refuses to address Russia's strategic defence concerns.
But he also offers opinions on how our own attitudes towards our nation and communities feeds into government malpractices.
Only watch if you have a spare 20 minutes...and with an open mind.
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This has been building since 2014.
One could say since 2008. But, it got kicked into high gear and right under the noses of Washington and Brussels last year.
Putin should have said that he is gonna remove white supremacy and systemic racism from Ukraine.
Western leaders are forced to support that.
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Putin should have said that he is gonna remove white supremacy and systemic racism from Ukraine.
Western leaders are forced to support that.
Throw in trannies can use girls washrooms and the fruity US and Europe would send troops to assist Russia.
:roll:
Thats a Ukrainian armored vehicle...
Some of the people are saying that it was stolen by Russian saboteurs.
The guy in the car survived.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fDgEJ6mcI6Q
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Thats a Ukrainian armored vehicle...
Some of the people are saying that it was stolen by Russian saboteurs.
The guy in the car survived.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fDgEJ6mcI6Q
Russian or Ukrainian, why would they do that?
That is reminiscent of the atrocities the Japanese Imperial Army committed in the countries they conquered over eighty years ago.
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Thats a Ukrainian armored vehicle...
Some of the people are saying that it was stolen by Russian saboteurs.
The guy in the car survived.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fDgEJ6mcI6Q
Russian or Ukrainian, why would they do that?
That is reminiscent of the atrocities the Japanese Imperial Army committed in the countries they conquered over eighty years ago.
They are making pancakes with strawberry jam on them.
They think its funny.
Probably veterans of some other battlefield and they have been serving for too long.
They get used to the brutality and dont care anymore.
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A bunch of Finnish-Russians are feeling the Russian-guilt.
Grow balls.
Why?
Feeling guilt over these things is the theme of the day.
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Quote from: Odinson post_id=441457 time=1645839175 user_id=136
Thats a Ukrainian armored vehicle...
Some of the people are saying that it was stolen by Russian saboteurs.
The guy in the car survived.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fDgEJ6mcI6Q
Russian or Ukrainian, why would they do that?
That is reminiscent of the atrocities the Japanese Imperial Army committed in the countries they conquered over eighty years ago.
They are making pancakes with strawberry jam on them.
They think its funny.
Probably veterans of some other battlefield and they have been serving for too long.
They get used to the brutality and dont care anymore.
You are correct. Too much time in combat breeds inhumanity.
I am a veteran of the battle of Jenin. If I reported the things I saw some fellow IDF soldiers do to civilians with the approaval of lieutenants there would have been court marials. That is if they did not kill me first.
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Quote from: Odinson post_id=441457 time=1645839175 user_id=136
Thats a Ukrainian armored vehicle...
Some of the people are saying that it was stolen by Russian saboteurs.
The guy in the car survived.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fDgEJ6mcI6Q
Russian or Ukrainian, why would they do that?
That is reminiscent of the atrocities the Japanese Imperial Army committed in the countries they conquered over eighty years ago.
They are making pancakes with strawberry jam on them.
They think its funny.
Probably veterans of some other battlefield and they have been serving for too long.
They get used to the brutality and dont care anymore.
You are correct. Too much time in combat breeds inhumanity.
I am a veteran of the battle of Jenin. If I reported the things I saw some fellow IDF soldiers do to civilians with the approaval of lieutenants there would have been court marials. That is if they did not kill me first.
I was not familiar with that event, so I googled it.
The Battle of Jenin took place in the Jenin refugee camp in the West Bank on April 1–11, 2002. Israel Defense Forces (IDF) entered the camp, and other areas under the administration of the Palestinian Authority, during the Second Intifada, as part of Operation Defensive Shield. The Jenin camp was targeted after Israel reported that it had "served as a launch site for numerous terrorist attacks against both Israeli civilians and Israeli towns and villages in the area."[7]
Further reading indicate there is no proof of indiscriminate killing of Palestinians. But, Israel conducted the investigations, so we are left with their version of history.
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I´m willing to take a few hot Ukrainian female refugees to live in my house.
I just like helping people in need.
Brother, you are a selfless humanitarian. You should be nominated for a Nobel prize.
Thank you, thank you.
I just want to be WOKE.
The Ukrainian males still have their privilege.
Only Western countries are losing sleep over the situation in the Ukraine. Asian countries either don't give a fuck or they understand Russia's reasons.
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Only Western countries are losing sleep over the situation in the Ukraine. Asian countries either don't give a fuck or they understand Russia's reasons.
Taiwan is taking notice of the invasion of Ukraine.
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Only Western countries are losing sleep over the situation in the Ukraine. Asian countries either don't give a fuck or they understand Russia's reasons.
Taiwan is taking notice of the invasion of Ukraine.
I said Asian COUNTRIES don't give a fuck.
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Quote from: "Shen Li" post_id=441498 time=1645851428 user_id=56
Only Western countries are losing sleep over the situation in the Ukraine. Asian countries either don't give a fuck or they understand Russia's reasons.
Taiwan is taking notice of the invasion of Ukraine.
I said Asian COUNTRIES don't give a fuck.
Of course.
:001_rolleyes:
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Only Western countries are losing sleep over the situation in the Ukraine. Asian countries either don't give a fuck or they understand Russia's reasons.
Japan has every reason to be concerned at Russia's aggression. They are in dispute over islands in the seas between their countries.
Japan has announced support for sanctions and has joined the EU and US in imposing restrictions on business with Russia.
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Quote from: "Shen Li" post_id=441498 time=1645851428 user_id=56
Only Western countries are losing sleep over the situation in the Ukraine. Asian countries either don't give a fuck or they understand Russia's reasons.
Japan has every reason to be concerned at Russia's aggression. They are in dispute over islands in the seas between their countries.
Japan has announced support for sanctions and has joined the EU and US in imposing restrictions on business with Russia.
While at the same time signing a mega deal with a Russian oil company.
The islands in dispute are the Kurils which are are owned by Russia. The San Francisco Peace Treaty, signed between the Allies and Japan in 1951, states that Japan must give up "all right, title and claim to the Kuril Islands", but it also does not recognize the Soviet Union's sovereignty over them.
"TOKYO - Japan will strengthen sanctions against Russia to include financial institutions and military equipment exports, Prime Minister Fumio Kishida said on Friday, adding that an impact on his resource-poor nation's energy supply is unlikely."
"Japan has about 240 days' worth of crude oil reserves and reserves of liquefied natural gas (LNG) to last two to three weeks, Kishida said, adding that the government would step up measures to stem a rise in retail fuel prices.
"The economic sanctions against Russia will not directly obstruct energy supply," Kishida said."
//https://news.abs-cbn.com/overseas/02/25/22/japan-vows-more-sanctions-against-russia
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"TOKYO - Japan will strengthen sanctions against Russia to include financial institutions and military equipment exports, Prime Minister Fumio Kishida said on Friday, adding that an impact on his resource-poor nation's energy supply is unlikely."
"Japan has about 240 days' worth of crude oil reserves and reserves of liquefied natural gas (LNG) to last two to three weeks, Kishida said, adding that the government would step up measures to stem a rise in retail fuel prices.
"The economic sanctions against Russia will not directly obstruct energy supply," Kishida said."
//https://news.abs-cbn.com/overseas/02/25/22/japan-vows-more-sanctions-against-russia
In other words symbolic gestures to make Washington happy.
Tokyo does worry about the dissolution of NATO though. They worry their special arrangement with the US could be next on the chopping block. They like that security umbrella that the US provides them. They don't want that to end ever.
Exactly.
Just as Australia has done.
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Quote from: Bricktop post_id=441513 time=1645854940 user_id=1560
"TOKYO - Japan will strengthen sanctions against Russia to include financial institutions and military equipment exports, Prime Minister Fumio Kishida said on Friday, adding that an impact on his resource-poor nation's energy supply is unlikely."
"Japan has about 240 days' worth of crude oil reserves and reserves of liquefied natural gas (LNG) to last two to three weeks, Kishida said, adding that the government would step up measures to stem a rise in retail fuel prices.
"The economic sanctions against Russia will not directly obstruct energy supply," Kishida said."
//https://news.abs-cbn.com/overseas/02/25/22/japan-vows-more-sanctions-against-russia
In other words symbolic gestures to make Washington happy.
Tokyo does worry about the dissolution of NATO though. They worry their special arrangement with the US could be next on the chopping block. They like that security umbrella that the US provides them. They don't want that to end ever.
Which is why Trump's "Europe and Japan have to start paying for their own defense" scared the hell out of Japan, South Korea and Europe.
As much as some countries complain about the USA being the world's policeman, their withdrawal from the world is much more worrisome.
Not worrisome to me... I welcome the US minding it's own damn business.
Quote from: "Dinky Dazza" post_id=441548 time=1645891450 user_id=1676
Not worrisome to me... I welcome the US minding it's own damn business.
China doesn't have a claim on Australia......not yet anyway.
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Quote from: "Dinky Dazza" post_id=441548 time=1645891450 user_id=1676
Not worrisome to me... I welcome the US minding it's own damn business.
China doesn't have a claim on Australia......not yet anyway.
They'll eventually come...
And many of them will hopefully die from heat stroke, dehydration, sniper fire, spider-snake-croc-shark bites...
Quote from: Fashionista post_id=441545 time=1645891224 user_id=3254
As much as some countries complain about the USA being the world's policeman, their withdrawal from the world is much more worrisome.
The US has been slowly decoupling from Asia. No troops in the Philippines, reduced troop counts in Korea and Japan, fewer naval visits to Asia. Meanwhile China's military has grown more sphisticated and the CCP more bold.
Ukraine claimes they have kiled 3000 Russian soldiers.
If true, Russia's losses in the first days following its invasion of Ukraine top the casualties U.S. soldiers faced during the 20-year military operation in Afghanistan. Ukraine also says it destroyed nearly 600 tanks and armored vehicles and over 17 warplanes and helicopters.
As of today, all parties except Germany are on board to cut off SWIFT
Of course Germany sold it's very soul to Russia with the pipelines ... making them a very unreliable ally .. if an ally at all
Ukraine officials are known liars, cheats, and bigots....
Quote from: cc post_id=441557 time=1645893143 user_id=88
As of today, all parties except Germany are on board to cut off SWIFT
Of course Germany sold it's very soul to Russia with the pipelines ... making them a very unreliable ally .. if an ally at all
Moscow developed an alternative messaging system, known as SPFS. However, SPFS has struggled to establish itself in international transactions - with no other system in the world rivaling that of SWIFT.
Russia was meant to open up use of crypto currency in the last few days too.
I haven't taken the time to verify it though.
Quote from: "Dinky Dazza" post_id=441567 time=1645894617 user_id=1676
Russia was meant to open up use of crypto currency in the last few days too.
I haven't taken the time to verify it though.
I read that ealier this week in a headline, but I haven't seen anything more about it since.
Could be great for mass adoption and use of crypto worldwide and a major bitchslap to fiat/payment systems seeking to subvert us all.
Interesting interview with David Icke in 2015 by Luke Rudkowski from WeAreChange.org.
Luke is a regular guest/side host on Tim Pool's podcasts these days.
I take Icke with a grain of salt but what he said 7 years ago has a lot of merit now. (Under 10 minutes long in duration)
https://www.bitchute.com/video/kuAxVEUO2RSg/
Tulsi Gabbard on Ukraine (under a minute long):
https://www.bitchute.com/video/PJUbFWplZ1sw/
Quote from: seoulbro post_id=441555 time=1645892908 user_id=114
Quote from: Fashionista post_id=441545 time=1645891224 user_id=3254
As much as some countries complain about the USA being the world's policeman, their withdrawal from the world is much more worrisome.
The US has been slowly decoupling from Asia. No troops in the Philippines, reduced troop counts in Korea and Japan, fewer naval visits to Asia. Meanwhile China's military has grown more sphisticated and the CCP more bold.
As the US and the rest of the West gets weaker and more confused. The West makes it so fucking easy.
Quote from: "Dinky Dazza" post_id=441573 time=1645899932 user_id=1676
Tulsi Gabbard on Ukraine (under a minute long):
https://www.bitchute.com/video/PJUbFWplZ1sw/
The West, mostly the United Socialist States of America should mind their own fucking business.
Quote from: seoulbro post_id=441556 time=1645892936 user_id=114
Ukraine claimes they have kiled 3000 Russian soldiers.
If true, Russia's losses in the first days following its invasion of Ukraine top the casualties U.S. soldiers faced during the 20-year military operation in Afghanistan. Ukraine also says it destroyed nearly 600 tanks and armored vehicles and over 17 warplanes and helicopters.
Fuuuuuck. I want Moscow to wrap this up quick with as little bloodshed as possible like they did in Georgia.
Western powers support handing out weapons and ammunition to random civilians and anybody willing to travel to the Ukraine to fight Russians:
https://twitter.com/i/status/1497179356757647360
Despite disarming civilians for decades.
Do as we say and not as we do + the end justifies the means = Governments
https://twitter.com/spriter99880/status/1497314290239344643?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1497314290239344643%7Ctwgr%5Ehb_0_8%7Ctwcon%5Es1_c10&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fhalturnerradioshow.com%2Findex.php%2Fen%2Fnews-page%2Fworld%2Fvehicles-have-been-evacuated
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Quote from: "Shen Li" post_id=441578 time=1645901515 user_id=56
Quote from: seoulbro post_id=441556 time=1645892936 user_id=114
Ukraine claimes they have kiled 3000 Russian soldiers.
If true, Russia's losses in the first days following its invasion of Ukraine top the casualties U.S. soldiers faced during the 20-year military operation in Afghanistan. Ukraine also says it destroyed nearly 600 tanks and armored vehicles and over 17 warplanes and helicopters.
Fuuuuuck. I want Moscow to wrap this up quick with as little bloodshed as possible like they did in Georgia.
That would be nice.
A mobile crematorium for getting rid of the casualties.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mVPTqHZqdz0
Quote from: Odinson post_id=441628 time=1645926760 user_id=136
A mobile crematorium for getting rid of the casualties.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mVPTqHZqdz0
Had heard that, still we really don't know - It's not likely a Russian is going to give the world such footage
It could be true that Russia is doing this
Bottom line, we don't know anything for sure .. War is deceit
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Quote from: Odinson post_id=441460 time=1645841235 user_id=136
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Quote from: Odinson post_id=441457 time=1645839175 user_id=136
Thats a Ukrainian armored vehicle...
Some of the people are saying that it was stolen by Russian saboteurs.
The guy in the car survived.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fDgEJ6mcI6Q
Russian or Ukrainian, why would they do that?
That is reminiscent of the atrocities the Japanese Imperial Army committed in the countries they conquered over eighty years ago.
They are making pancakes with strawberry jam on them.
They think its funny.
Probably veterans of some other battlefield and they have been serving for too long.
They get used to the brutality and dont care anymore.
You are correct. Too much time in combat breeds inhumanity.
I am a veteran of the battle of Jenin. If I reported the things I saw some fellow IDF soldiers do to civilians with the approaval of lieutenants there would have been court marials. That is if they did not kill me first.
These things happen and the army usually tries to cover them up... Acceptable mishaps.
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Quote from: Odinson post_id=441628 time=1645926760 user_id=136
A mobile crematorium for getting rid of the casualties.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mVPTqHZqdz0
Had heard that, still we really don't know - It's not likely a Russian is going to give the world such footage
It could be true that Russia is doing this
Bottom line, we don't know anything for sure .. War is deceit
They might have such a truck with them... But its probably not anything sinister.
I think the media coverage has been pretty poor considering that we do live in the smart phone age.
You dont really know whos doing what.
And dont from which conflict the footage is from...
Could be some other battlefield from the last 20 years.
The 13 heros of Ukraine on Snake island..
Turns out that they didnt die.
They did surrender and are now POWs.
Dunno anything about them. What's the story?
The story is they surrendered, were placed on a ship and transported to a dock where they were given bottles of water and parcels, then placed on commuter buses.
https://www.bitchute.com/video/TMSda2o0jdbN/
They are serious larpers.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=98KQPtBhi-g
Quote from: Odinson post_id=441639 time=1645940295 user_id=136
The 13 heros of Ukraine on Snake island..
Turns out that they didnt die.
They did surrender and are now POWs.
We are being fed a lot of horseshit about this.
The Russian ruble is crashing in value.
Ukraine has agreed to hold peace talks with Russia without preconditions. The peace talks between Kyiv and Moscow will occur on the Ukrainian-Belarusian border, near the Pripyat River.
The U.S. government reportedly made Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy an offer that most politicians wouldn't refuse. They offered to evacuate him to a safe third country and he said no.
Oh look, he found an escaped robot vacuum cleaner.
Its one of those good ones that will clean 20 meter area in an instant.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lrmcmbOBsBk
Haha.
The welfare leeches want to get on the refugee train.
"citizens" only when its time to get that welfare-check and bitch about racism.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHtZ1Ch8bNE
This is not a fun movie Odi .. It's hard cruel war
Getting serious, and while I understand his and Russia's motives and reasons behind those motives, I have to question the sanity and degree of consolidated power of Putin for several reasons
1. He unnecessarily promised the Russian people a quick, virtual no Russian casualties takeover .. with little to no resistance .. setting himself up for scorn if it didn't go that way.
Why did he do that? He didn't need to do that if all is as it appears within Russia and within Putin.
Strong Ukraine resistance and great difficulty dislodging them was a no-brainer. Everyone else knew this would not be a simple walk in the part with victory parties before the end of the day as he had promised his people.
2. The damage to him financially following penalties and condemnation from so many counties will be lasting .. The chances of him being trusted ever again to work with are now zero. The previous staus quo is gone now forever. He will now always been seen and dealt with as the pariah he is.
3, Even if he ultimately takes the country, any gains are minimal and losses in stature with Europe + are great & irreversible
4. Latest blunder is that he raised the nuclear operators level to severe ... Why? Nuclear is not a factor in any shape or form. .. a totally bonkers move that will even further coalesce other countries against him .. even to the point of increasing their own facilities against him ... a yet another lose-lose self self-destructive move
When the smoke clears and however it clears, it will be evident to all that this was not a sane move
Russia is going to pay for Putin's miscalculation.
His strategy of forcing NATO to stop expanding beyond Poland will be in tatters.
The world is uniting to punish Putin more severely than he anticipated.
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More fallout for Putin
As of today, Western allies, previous a lame group, has come together like never before with several new agreements.
Germany, the previous main stumbling block has upped it's ante today greatly, sending "real" weaponry, upping its NATO financial commitments and several other items bringing itself back to an equal member of the group instead of an outsider bowing to Russia
I suspect Putin foolishly upping nuclear status with zero to gain and everything to lose may have been the final straw in bringing his divided opposition together and especially getting previously useless Germany strongly back in the game .. his final act of self-harm
Now, win or lose in Ukraine he has greatly hurt himself for the short & long term future
Further, he has brought on a run on his banks as Russians scramble to get their money out while they still can
Quote from: Odinson post_id=441668 time=1645994929 user_id=136
Haha.
The welfare leeches want to get on the refugee train.
"citizens" only when its time to get that welfare-check and bitch about racism.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHtZ1Ch8bNE
It must be difficult for non Ukrainians and non EU passport holders to flee.
Russian forces are leaving infrastructure alone.
Quote from: cc post_id=441672 time=1646000410 user_id=88
More fallout for Putin
As of today, Western allies, previous a lame group, has come together like never before with several new agreements.
Germany, the previous main stumbling block has upped it's ante today greatly, sending "real" weaponry, upping its NATO financial commitments and several other items bringing itself back to an equal member of the group instead of an outsider bowing to Russia
I suspect Putin foolishly upping nuclear status with zero to gain and everything to lose may have been the final straw in bringing his divided opposition together and especially getting previously useless Germany strongly back in the game .. his final act of self-harm
Now, win or lose in Ukraine he has greatly hurt himself for the short & long term future
Further, he has brought on a run on his banks as Russians scramble to get their money out while they still can
Germany was considered by some to be on Russia's team in order to get cheap fuels.
Their gesture of "supporting" Ukraine by sending them helmets brought derision and distrust upon them.
Now we can expect a far more robust German military build up.
Is that, in reality, a good thing?
Does anyone seriously think Zelenskyy will still be Ukraine's president three weeks from now. No amount of sanctions will change that.
I don't know anything about him.
Was he elected fairly?
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I don't know anything about him.
Was he elected fairly?
Fairness in Ukraine?? ac_lmfao
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Quote from: Odinson post_id=441668 time=1645994929 user_id=136
Haha.
The welfare leeches want to get on the refugee train.
"citizens" only when its time to get that welfare-check and bitch about racism.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHtZ1Ch8bNE
It must be difficult for non Ukrainians and non EU passport holders to flee.
I dont think they are "discriminating" against them.
Notice how the whole black crowd is right at the door... Its because they cut the line.
You would get nothing but black people if you didnt discriminate.
And once again, 90% of that crowd are men.
They prioritize women with children.
I know Ukraine has a lot of Africans on student visas.
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Quote from: Herman post_id=441701 time=1646007617 user_id=1689
Does anyone seriously think Zelenskyy will still be Ukraine's president three weeks from now. No amount of sanctions will change that.
That is a good point. We know a new president who looks East will soon replace Zelensky. So sanctions will only punish Ukrainians.
Any puppet government will not be recognised by Europe or aligned nations.
Quote from: Bricktop post_id=441741 time=1646014660 user_id=1560
Any puppet government will not be recognised by Europe or aligned nations.
And that will hurt Ukrainians.
Man these coloreds are complaining because they arent being preferred and immediately let over the border
Quote from: Bricktop post_id=441741 time=1646014660 user_id=1560
Any puppet government will not be recognised by Europe or aligned nations.
Unless it's a puppet government installed by Western and European governments...
Quote from: "Dinky Dazza" post_id=441746 time=1646015387 user_id=1676
Quote from: Bricktop post_id=441741 time=1646014660 user_id=1560
Any puppet government will not be recognised by Europe or aligned nations.
Unless it's a puppet government installed by Western and European governments...
Precisely.
Quote from: cc post_id=441669 time=1645998369 user_id=88
This is not a fun movie Odi .. It's hard cruel war
Getting serious, and while I understand his and Russia's motives and reasons behind those motives, I have to question the sanity and degree of consolidated power of Putin for several reasons
1. He unnecessarily promised the Russian people a quick, virtual no Russian casualties takeover .. with little to no resistance .. setting himself up for scorn if it didn't go that way.
Why did he do that? He didn't need to do that if all is as it appears within Russia and within Putin.
Strong Ukraine resistance and great difficulty dislodging them was a no-brainer. Everyone else knew this would not be a simple walk in the part with victory parties before the end of the day as he had promised his people.
2. The damage to him financially following penalties and condemnation from so many counties will be lasting .. The chances of him being trusted ever again to work with are now zero. The previous staus quo is gone now forever. He will now always been seen and dealt with as the pariah he is.
3, Even if he ultimately takes the country, any gains are minimal and losses in stature with Europe + are great & irreversible
4. Latest blunder is that he raised the nuclear operators level to severe ... Why? Nuclear is not a factor in any shape or form. .. a totally bonkers move that will even further coalesce other countries against him .. even to the point of increasing their own facilities against him ... a yet another lose-lose self self-destructive move
When the smoke clears and however it clears, it will be evident to all that this was not a sane move
Russia has not deployed the entire attack-force from the border.
And they are not using their full firepower.
They are going easy on the Ukrainians.
"quick war" or "walk in the park" does not mean that the war is over in hours and days.
"Virtually no casualties" means that there is gonna be many thousands of casualties against a country like Ukraine.
Ukraine is large and simple troop movement is gonna take days.
That is true. The Russians want to minimize damage to infrastructure and the number of civilian casualties.
Quote from: Bricktop post_id=441741 time=1646014660 user_id=1560
Any puppet government will not be recognised by Europe or aligned nations.
Zelenskyy is no defender of freedom. He took power from the oligarchs only to centralise it around himself.
Quote from: Thiel post_id=441743 time=1646015160 user_id=1688
And that will hurt Ukrainians.
It sure will.
EU countries and Washington will not recogonize the next president of Ukraine, but they do Maduro of Venzuela, or even Xi of China.
They were not empowered as a result of a hostile invasion. They were appointed by their own citizens, right or wrong.
A puppet regime appointed as a result of an invasion is rarely recognised, even as far back as the Vichy government of Nazi occupied France.
Quote from: Bricktop post_id=441755 time=1646018495 user_id=1560
They were not empowered as a result of a hostile invasion. They were appointed by their own citizens, right or wrong.
A puppet regime appointed as a result of an invasion is rarely recognised, even as far back as the Vichy government of Nazi occupied France.
I beg to differ. Pinochet in Chile, the Shah of Iran, the president of Iraq. I can go on, but I think you get my point.
Quote from: Bricktop post_id=441755 time=1646018495 user_id=1560
They were not empowered as a result of a hostile invasion. They were appointed by their own citizens, right or wrong.
A puppet regime appointed as a result of an invasion is rarely recognised, even as far back as the Vichy government of Nazi occupied France.
And Viktor Yanukovych wasn't unseated by foreign powers in 2014 for a puppet regime?
https://www.bitchute.com/video/dJRbqJlVIYhZ/
Goddamn gypsies stealing tanks.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FHkST5SdS98
ac_toofunny
Quote from: Odinson post_id=441764 time=1646020071 user_id=136
Goddamn gypsies stealing tanks.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FHkST5SdS98
I hate those lazy thieving bastards.
Quote from: "Dinky Dazza" post_id=441762 time=1646019875 user_id=1676
Quote from: Bricktop post_id=441755 time=1646018495 user_id=1560
They were not empowered as a result of a hostile invasion. They were appointed by their own citizens, right or wrong.
A puppet regime appointed as a result of an invasion is rarely recognised, even as far back as the Vichy government of Nazi occupied France.
And Viktor Yanukovych wasn't unseated by foreign powers in 2014 for a puppet regime?
https://www.bitchute.com/video/dJRbqJlVIYhZ/
Foreign powers stuck their noses into the 2014 revolution. I was in Ukraine right before it happened.
I wasn't a fan of old Yanukovych either. Corrupt as hell. But, what Ukrainian politician isn't.
Quote from: Herman post_id=441769 time=1646020913 user_id=1689
I wasn't a fan of old Yanukovych either. Corrupt as hell. But, what Ukrainian politician isn't.
The current piece of shit:
https://www.bitchute.com/video/Xi4yOVBJRy5P/
Quote from: "Dinky Dazza" post_id=441770 time=1646021010 user_id=1676
Quote from: Herman post_id=441769 time=1646020913 user_id=1689
I wasn't a fan of old Yanukovych either. Corrupt as hell. But, what Ukrainian politician isn't.
The current piece of shit:
https://www.bitchute.com/video/Xi4yOVBJRy5P/
You are preaching to the choir. I frickin hate that Jew prick Zelenskyy.
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I wasn't a fan of old Yanukovych either. Corrupt as hell. But, what Ukrainian politician isn't.
The current piece of shit:
https://www.bitchute.com/video/Xi4yOVBJRy5P/
You are preaching to the choir. I frickin hate that Jew prick Zelenskyy.
Herman, I've never thought of you as an anti semite.......occasionally a racist, but not an anti semite.
Here's the POS again....
https://www.bitchute.com/video/tkNMpPey3ddN/
These are his qualifications..... lulz
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Herman, I've never thought of you as an anti semite.......occasionally a racist, but not an anti semite.
Old Zelenskyy is a Russian Jew that speaks funny Ukrainian. That is fine in the Israeli Knesset, but he lacks the qualifications to be president of Ukraine. A Ukrainian president should be Christened in the Ukrainian Orthodox Church like I was.
The hatred between Ukrainians and Russians is unrivaled.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uf3c8vtXvHo
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Herman, I've never thought of you as an anti semite.......occasionally a racist, but not an anti semite.
Old Zelenskyy is a Russian Jew that speaks funny Ukrainian. That is fine in the Israeli Knesset, but he lacks the qualifications to be president of Ukraine. A Ukrainian president should be Christened in the Ukrainian Orthodox Church like I was.
Do you want to be Ukraine's president.
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Herman, I've never thought of you as an anti semite.......occasionally a racist, but not an anti semite.
Old Zelenskyy is a Russian Jew that speaks funny Ukrainian. That is fine in the Israeli Knesset, but he lacks the qualifications to be president of Ukraine. A Ukrainian president should be Christened in the Ukrainian Orthodox Church like I was.
Do you want to be Ukraine's president.
Is there free barrel wash in it for me?
FLASHBACK: Trump Ripped Germany's Cozy Relationship With Russia To The NATO General Secretary's Face
https://dailycaller.com/2022/02/25/trump-germany-russia-oil-ukraine-nato/
Former President Donald Trump ripped Germany's cozy relationship with Russia in 2018, a relationship some argue contributed to Russia's decision to invade Ukraine.
Numerous current and former German officials have stated that their efforts to create a "special relationship" with Russia since 2014 was a mistake and that Germany's Russia policy is now in "ruins." Trump warned Germany that its relationship with Russia could turn sour during a 2018 meeting with German and NATO leaders.
"It's very sad when Germany makes a massive oil and gas deal with Russia. Where, you're supposed to be guarding against Russia and Germany goes out and pays billions and billions of dollars a year to Russia," Trump said at the time. "So we're supposed to protect you against Russia, but they're paying billions of dollars to Russia, and I think that's very inappropriate."
"Germany is totally controlled by Russia because they will be getting 60-70% of their energy from Russia and a new pipeline, and you tell me if that's appropriate, and I think it's not," he said, addressing NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg.
Purported footage of a Ukrainian patrol gunning down a Ukrainian:
https://www.bitchute.com/video/4aXE8TJ56oTP/
Looters in Ukraine (Melitopol):
https://www.bitchute.com/video/LFL3pUF7WCOn/
https://www.bitchute.com/video/cwH4JlN7I5oS/
Ukrainian does a mic drop:
https://www.bitchute.com/video/6zJZR4DwctGb/
Ukrainian soldiers beating up and shooting at fleeing Ukrainian civilians:
https://www.bitchute.com/video/2It262rqSNLK/
Interesting rant:
https://www.bitchute.com/video/hdukUnENn82F/
Russian forces have encircled the city of Kyiv.
Belarus is preparing to send soldiers into Ukraine in support of the Russian invasion as soon as Monday, a U.S. official said.
It appears that the Russian army is holding back. They are trying their best to limit casualties.
The Russian ruble's value plummeted to less than one U.S. cent on Monday, Time reported, dropping more than 25% to 105.27 per U.S. dollar, down from approximately 84 per dollar late Friday.
Nice. I hope it maintains its downward trajectory.
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Nice. I hope it maintains its downward trajectory.
That means extreme inflation. That is really bad for Russians and Ukrainians.
I wonder how much longer this conflict will last.
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I wonder how much longer this conflict will last.
This will end in one of two ways.
1. Zelenskyy is removed from office and replaced with a pro Kremlin president.
2. Russia retreats with their tail between their legs and Zelenskyy keeps his job and moves towards closer ties with Europe.
Either way, this will not last much longer.
Will Ukranians accept a puppet government?
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Will Ukranians accept a puppet government?
If the new government can improve people's lives. ya.
Russia was preparing for the economic fallout from this.
Russia strengthening hold on global energy markets with massive arctic oil project
As war continues in Ukraine, billions going into new oil and gas export province
https://www.canadianenergycentre.ca/russia-strengthening-hold-on-global-energy-markets-with-massive-arctic-oil-project/?fbclid=IwAR063r61aKwjeijmHI6bNZxEBbrrMdt_KNtWAgCOllKxHJbRAtN51IKfD8k
As it continues to wage war on Ukraine, Russia is strengthening its hold on global energy markets with one of the biggest oil and gas projects the world has ever seen.
State-owned Rosneft says the US$170 billion Vostok oil project will create a "new oil and gas province," employing 400,000 workers, creating 15 new "industry towns" and building 800 kilometers of new pipelines.
Rosneft spent a massive US$2.8 billion on the project in 2021 after giving it the go ahead in late 2020, according to the company's latest public financial results.
Vostok is expected to export about 600,000 barrels of oil per day by 2024 along the Northern Sea Route that connects Europe to Asia. This will rise to two million barrels per day when the second phase is completed.
To put that in context, Canada's entire oil sands industry produces about 3 million barrels per day, and has less than 400,000 barrels per day of direct access to global markets outside the United States.
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Russia was preparing for the economic fallout from this.
Russia strengthening hold on global energy markets with massive arctic oil project
As war continues in Ukraine, billions going into new oil and gas export province
https://www.canadianenergycentre.ca/russia-strengthening-hold-on-global-energy-markets-with-massive-arctic-oil-project/?fbclid=IwAR063r61aKwjeijmHI6bNZxEBbrrMdt_KNtWAgCOllKxHJbRAtN51IKfD8k
As it continues to wage war on Ukraine, Russia is strengthening its hold on global energy markets with one of the biggest oil and gas projects the world has ever seen.
State-owned Rosneft says the US$170 billion Vostok oil project will create a "new oil and gas province," employing 400,000 workers, creating 15 new "industry towns" and building 800 kilometers of new pipelines.
Rosneft spent a massive US$2.8 billion on the project in 2021 after giving it the go ahead in late 2020, according to the company's latest public financial results.
Vostok is expected to export about 600,000 barrels of oil per day by 2024 along the Northern Sea Route that connects Europe to Asia. This will rise to two million barrels per day when the second phase is completed.
To put that in context, Canada's entire oil sands industry produces about 3 million barrels per day, and has less than 400,000 barrels per day of direct access to global markets outside the United States.
What an opportunity it would have been if we could supply Europe's oil and gas needs. Thanks Trudeau. :negative:
"Deliveries of Germany's weapons to Ukraine make us wonder if the process of denazification was completed in Germany itself"
- Russian Foreign Ministry
:laugh3:
Any day now..."The West are racist white supremacists"!!!!
Zircon hypersonic missiles on the move:
https://youtube.com/shorts/DR2adRMq7R4?feature=share
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Any day now..."The West are racist white supremacists"!!!!
If nothing else, evil and manipulative Russaphobes.
Though the Nazis have always had a comfortable home in Western Ukraine....
A 60 kilometer long convoy is approaching Kiev.
Footage from a CIA spy drone:

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AZOF Ukraine Battalion sporting Nazi emblems on German MSM footage:
https://www.bitchute.com/video/rwbuDLDuVLzX/
Russian tanks pouring out near Kherson, Ukraine:
https://www.bitchute.com/video/BOqht4xwEirj/
Ukraine Says:
https://www.bitchute.com/video/njor1EnSHZvJ/
Ukrainian soldier bitching about eating old Russian MRE's from 2015:
https://www.bitchute.com/video/R4tEWZc9I8db/
Ahhhh...snookems...
Some of the dead heroes of Snake Island criticise the Ukrainian government for abandoning them and trying to use them for propaganda:
https://www.bitchute.com/video/Xh0w57UJqeA/
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Some of the dead heroes of Snake Island criticise the Ukrainian government for abandoning them and trying to use them for propaganda:
https://www.bitchute.com/video/Xh0w57UJqeA/
You'd be amazed at the things you will say when someone is pointing a gun at your head.
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Some of the dead heroes of Snake Island criticise the Ukrainian government for abandoning them and trying to use them for propaganda:
https://www.bitchute.com/video/Xh0w57UJqeA/
You'd be amazed at the things you will say when someone is pointing a gun at your head.
I believe that.
Negotiations between Russian and Ukrainian officials in a third country on Feb. 28 yielded no results, officials said after the talks concluded. The next meeting will take place in the coming days at the Polish–Belarusian border.
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Some of the dead heroes of Snake Island criticise the Ukrainian government for abandoning them and trying to use them for propaganda:
https://www.bitchute.com/video/Xh0w57UJqeA/
You'd be amazed at the things you will say when someone is pointing a gun at your head.
I believe that their leaders sacrificed them and created a bullshit hero narrative around them for propaganda's sake and these guys are not impressed.
Oh look, Ukraine will not be receiving any jetfighters..
The unprecedent unity among EU nations means that they crapped their pants at the same time.
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Oh look, Ukraine will not be receiving any jetfighters..
The unprecedent unity among EU nations means that they crapped their pants at the same time.
Did they say they were giving Ukraine jetfighters?
Satellite images reportedly show a massive Russian convoy stretching about 40 miles long outside Ukraine's capital as the two nations battle for the sixth day.
Satellite images released by U.S.-based space technology firm Maxar Technologies showed about a 40-mile convoy of Russian tanks and armored vehicles outside Kyiv.
Russia does not seem close to capturing the Kiev and the president.
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Oh look, Ukraine will not be receiving any jetfighters..
The unprecedent unity among EU nations means that they crapped their pants at the same time.

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Oh look, Ukraine will not be receiving any jetfighters..
The unprecedent unity among EU nations means that they crapped their pants at the same time.

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https://www.bitchute.com/video/fmYKui6vZdw9/
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Ukrainian soldiers beating up and shooting at fleeing Ukrainian civilians:
https://www.bitchute.com/video/2It262rqSNLK/
I'd do the same.
Its normal to shoot the deserters.
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Ukrainian soldiers beating up and shooting at fleeing Ukrainian civilians:
https://www.bitchute.com/video/2It262rqSNLK/
I'd do the same.
Its normal to shoot the deserters.
If I was a civilian between the ages of 18-65 conscripted by decree to fight a bullshit conflict started by my own nation, I would kill you for trying that shit on me.
At the very least blind you with acid for the rest of your cowardly little life.
The total blockade of Kiev will probably happen next week and the capital will probably fall to Russian hands in about thirty days.
Videos mean nothing. There is no way to know who is who
The EU has earmarked €450 million ($503 million) for lethal arms, which include air-defense systems, anti-tank weapons, ammunition, and other military equipment for Ukraine's armed forces. A further €50 million will be spent on providing non-lethal supplies such as fuel, protective gear, helmets, and first-aid kits.
https://twitter.com/vonderleyen/status/1497972564634882048?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1497972564634882048%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.dw.com%2Fen%2Fwestern-arms-supplies-for-ukraine-how-are-they-getting-there%2Fa-60959864

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German Chancellor Olaf Scholz has announced a paradigm shift in German defense and energy policie (//https)s in response to Russia's invasion of Ukraine. He said that Germany will substantially increase defense spending and take immediate measures to reduce its energy dependence on Russia. Pictured: Scholz addresses an extraordinary session of the German parliament, on February 27, 2022. (Photo by Hannibal Hanschke/Getty Images)
German Chancellor Olaf Scholz has announced a paradigm shift in German defense and energy policies in response to Russia's invasion of Ukraine. He said that Germany will substantially increase defense spending and take immediate measures to reduce its energy dependence on Russia.
Scholz has also announced several other important policy reversals: Berlin has halted the controversial Nord Stream 2 pipeline, which would double shipments of Russian natural gas to Germany by transporting the gas under the Baltic Sea; it has agreed to authorize the transfer of weapons to Ukraine; and it has decided to ban Russian banks from the SWIFT international payment system.
The measures represent a complete reversal of Germany's post-Cold War Russia policy — which focused on pursuing economic ties rather than confronting Moscow — and mark a definitive end to the era of former Chancellor Angela Merkel.
During an extraordinary session of the Bundestag, the German parliament, on February 27, Scholz said that Russia's aggression against Ukraine marks a turning point in European history:
Would the world try and make the people of China suffer under economic sanctions if China invaded Taiwan..
I know people will say that Taiwan used to be part of China at one time, but Ukraine and Russia used to be one too.
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Would the world try and make the people of China suffer under economic sanctions if China invaded Taiwan..
I know people will say that Taiwan used to be part of China at one time, but Ukraine and Russia used to be one too.
Good question .. & I totally agree with your analogy
I hope we do not reach a point where we will find out the answer to your question
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Would the world try and make the people of China suffer under economic sanctions if China invaded Taiwan..
I know people will say that Taiwan used to be part of China at one time, but Ukraine and Russia used to be one too.
Good question .. & I totally agree with your analogy
I hope we do not reach a point where we will find out the answer to your question
Make that two of us ceec.
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Would the world try and make the people of China suffer under economic sanctions if China invaded Taiwan..
I know people will say that Taiwan used to be part of China at one time, but Ukraine and Russia used to be one too.
As many commentators have said, Putin's madness has changed the world forever. What is has demonstrated is that stopping dictators who possess a massive nuclear arsenal is no longer feasible.
NATO did not hold back because of their relative military capability. They outgun Russia by a large factor.
They held back because they believe Putin is just mad enough to pull the nuclear trigger.
Everything changes, and Germany's realisation that it has to relinquish its post WW2 guilt and build a tangible military is just a beginning.
Japan has already begun to develop a first strike capable military force to deal with North Korea, abandoning its "pacifist" post WW2 constituional commitment to only develop a defensive military.
Other European nations will need to urgently invest in defence to protect against a Russian lunatic. The UK and France will need to modernise their nuclear forces, as faith in a crumbling, dysfunctional America wanes.
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Would the world try and make the people of China suffer under economic sanctions if China invaded Taiwan..
I know people will say that Taiwan used to be part of China at one time, but Ukraine and Russia used to be one too.
As many commentators have said, Putin's madness has changed the world forever. What is has demonstrated is that stopping dictators who possess a massive nuclear arsenal is no longer feasible.
NATO did not hold back because of their relative military capability. They outgun Russia by a large factor.
They held back because they believe Putin is just mad enough to pull the nuclear trigger.
Everything changes, and Germany's realisation that it has to relinquish its post WW2 guilt and build a tangible military is just a beginning.
Japan has already begun to develop a first strike capable military force to deal with North Korea, abandoning its "pacifist" post WW2 constituional commitment to only develop a defensive military.
Other European nations will need to urgently invest in defence to protect against a Russian lunatic. The UK and France will need to modernise their nuclear forces, as faith in a crumbling, dysfunctional America wanes.
Russia's economy is smaller than Canada's..
Which country would dare hit China with economic sanctions if they invaded Taiwan when they can and will retaliate ten fold against mostly Western countries.
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Would the world try and make the people of China suffer under economic sanctions if China invaded Taiwan..
I know people will say that Taiwan used to be part of China at one time, but Ukraine and Russia used to be one too.
As many commentators have said, Putin's madness has changed the world forever. What is has demonstrated is that stopping dictators who possess a massive nuclear arsenal is no longer feasible.
NATO did not hold back because of their relative military capability. They outgun Russia by a large factor.
They held back because they believe Putin is just mad enough to pull the nuclear trigger.
Everything changes, and Germany's realisation that it has to relinquish its post WW2 guilt and build a tangible military is just a beginning.
Japan has already begun to develop a first strike capable military force to deal with North Korea, abandoning its "pacifist" post WW2 constituional commitment to only develop a defensive military.
Other European nations will need to urgently invest in defence to protect against a Russian lunatic. The UK and France will need to modernise their nuclear forces, as faith in a crumbling, dysfunctional America wanes.
That madness hasn't been coming from Russia....
As far as sanctions goes, Canada's number one export industry has and still does face more of a restrictive economic streaitjacket than Russia's number one export industry. And we haven't invaded a sovereign nation.
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As far as sanctions goes, Canada's number one export industry has and still does face more of a restrictive economic streaitjacket than Russia's number one export industry. And we haven't invaded a sovereign nation.
I hadn't thought about it, but that is a good comparison. Russia is getting a taste of the living standards lowering divest from Canadian oil and gas that we have had twenty years experience with.
As B.C. Premier John Horgan wrote in a statement announcing the withdrawal of Russian products from B.C. Liquor Stores, "we stand with those who want to live in peace. There's just a few problems with the gesture The products are already paid for.
Liquor stores don't work on consignment, so any Russian products already in Canadian liquor warehouses have already resulted in money being sent to Russia. This means that the most immediate result of the policy will be a bunch of paid-for booze being poured down the drain.
Canadian liquor stores don't actually carry a lot of Russian products. Stolichnaya is Latvian, Absolut is Swedish and Smirnoff (the world's best-selling vodka) is British-owned and manufactured virtually everywhere except Russia. This is why, in Ontario, the ban on Russian products will apply only to two niche vodka labels and one brand of Russian beer.
"And most importantly, vodka is a microscopic component of a Russian economy that actually runs largely on oil and gas – commodities that have remained conspicuously untouched even as the world assails Moscow with punitive sanctions.
Our dependancy on non-european countries should stop.
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Would the world try and make the people of China suffer under economic sanctions if China invaded Taiwan..
I know people will say that Taiwan used to be part of China at one time, but Ukraine and Russia used to be one too.
As many commentators have said, Putin's madness has changed the world forever. What is has demonstrated is that stopping dictators who possess a massive nuclear arsenal is no longer feasible.
NATO did not hold back because of their relative military capability. They outgun Russia by a large factor.
They held back because they believe Putin is just mad enough to pull the nuclear trigger.
Everything changes, and Germany's realisation that it has to relinquish its post WW2 guilt and build a tangible military is just a beginning.
Japan has already begun to develop a first strike capable military force to deal with North Korea, abandoning its "pacifist" post WW2 constituional commitment to only develop a defensive military.
Other European nations will need to urgently invest in defence to protect against a Russian lunatic. The UK and France will need to modernise their nuclear forces, as faith in a crumbling, dysfunctional America wanes.
That madness hasn't been coming from Russia....
Agreed.
Not solely.
It's like watching a pack of students encircle a kid on the playground while taunting and trying to push a reaction.
When the kid starts throwing punches or merely slaps, the students point the finger at him and say "see!!!!!!" then demand his expulsion.
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Our dependancy on non-european countries should stop.
I wish we could sell our LNG and oil to Europe.
Financial Post > Meet the Russian oligarchs with investment ties to Western Canada not named in Ottawa's sanctions (//https)
Some controversial figures have so far evaded sanctions from the Canadian government (Are you surprised?)
Prime Minister Justin Trudeau's government has said all Canadian financial institutions are prohibited from engaging in any transactions with the Russian Central Bank. And Canadian authorities have identified dozens of Russian individuals and entities for sanctions in recent days, freezing the assets of 58 targets and prohibiting all dealings with them.
But one of the most recognizable Russian elites to have been excluded from Canada's sanction list is billionaire Roman Abramovich, best known outside his home country as the owner of Chelsea FC, one of the world's most popular soccer teams.
Abramovich, who had come under intense political scrutiny in the U.K., said on March 2 that he will sell Chelsea and donate the proceeds to Ukraine, the Financial Times reported. The team is only his most visible asset in the West. Among other things, Abramovich is the largest shareholder in Evraz PLC, a steel manufacturing and mining business that has facilities in Regina, Calgary and Edmonton.
Evraz has provided the majority of the pipe to the Trans Mountain expansion (TMX) project, which will expand the movement of oil and refined products from the Edmonton area to a terminal on the Pacific Coast for export. Evraz's agreement with original pipeline owner Kinder Morgan provided 250,000 metric tons of pipe to the project.
Alexander Abramov, Alexander Frolov, Evgeny Shvidler and Maxim Vorobyev — all wealthy Russians — are also among the top six shareholders in the U.K.-based company, according to Bloomberg. None of them appear on Canada's sanctions list.
^^No surprise at all.
Swedish officials on Wednesday accused four Russian fighter jets of violating its airspace over the Baltic Sea.
The jets, identified as two SU-27 and two SU-24 fighters, flew over Swedish airspace near Gotland Island, according to the Swedish Armed Forces. The incident occurred earlier on Wednesday.
Nothing unusual here in my opinion. China and Russia routinely violate air space and waters of neighbouring countries.
They are now not just freezing Russian assets, but seizing them...effectively taking possession of them for sale. Yachts and luxury properties are being confiscated and the revenue from their sale will go the Ukraine.
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.........
Nothing unusual here in my opinion. China and Russia routinely violate air space and waters of neighbouring countries.
They do what they damned well please
I realize that no protest will stop Putin
but I found this one interesting
An illegal war always seems to corrode national unity.
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I realize that no protest will stop Putin
but I found this one interesting
It's interesting, but it makes no difference.
I'm not so sure.
The sanctions are going to be crippling. The Russian people know this war is illegal, and the consequences for their nation will be dire without a single shot fired in their direction.
If the West remains unified and applies all of the pressure that it is capable of, Putin is going to have a lot of explaining to do. If Ukraine can hold the Russian advance and the West provides non military help in the form of food, clothing and other necessities then ordinary Russians are going to protest.
:001_rolleyes:
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I'm not so sure.
The sanctions are going to be crippling. The Russian people know this war is illegal, and the consequences for their nation will be dire without a single shot fired in their direction.
If the West remains unified and applies all of the pressure that it is capable of, Putin is going to have a lot of explaining to do. If Ukraine can hold the Russian advance and the West provides non military help in the form of food, clothing and other necessities then ordinary Russians are going to protest.
Who do you think has a better chance of keeping their job three months from now-Putin or Ukrainian president Zelensky?
Good question. While of course Russia has a huge military in comparison, but considering many times more forces and supposedly superior equipment, they are not doing it as expected ... looking pretty bad and even a win won't rectify the fact that they are not looking good
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Good question. While of course Russia has a huge military in comparison, but considering many times more forces and supposedly superior equipment, they are not doing it as expected ... looking pretty bad and even a win won't rectify the fact that they are not looking good
Key cities have fallen or will soon. The entire South including ports will be blocked off very soon.
Nice going Putin - the largest Nuke Plant in all of Europe is on fire (not sure how extensive yet, but lots of smoke)
If this becomes a big problem, the pressure on Putin will be greatly increased
If Russian troops attacked it, unlikely a coincidence, this will be a game changer & re-define the word "stupid"
We'll soon see how this one goes
Reuters> https://www.reuters.com/markets/europe/top-wrap-1-europes-largest-nuclear-power-plant-fire-after-russian-attack-mayor-2022-03-04/
BORODYANKA/LVIV, Ukraine, March 4 (Reuters) - The largest nuclear power plant in Europe is on fire following a Russian attack, Ukraine's foreign minister said on Friday, as he called for a security zone and firefighters to be allowed to tackle the incident.
A generating unit at the plant has been hit during an attack by Russian troops and part of the station is on fire, RIA news agency cited the Ukrainian atomic energy ministry as saying on Friday.
A plant spokesperson told RIA that background levels of radiation had not changed.
"Russian army is firing from all sides upon Zaporizhzhia NPP, the largest nuclear power plant in Europe," Foreign Minister Dmytro Kuleba wrote on Twitter.
The radiation levels have not changed.
I'm aware .. not so far & not the point. The country is fighting the fire
However it shakes out, doesn't change the fact that they attacked a nuke plant .. risky & stupid stuff
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I'm aware .. not so far & not the point. The country is fighting the fire
However it shakes out, doesn't change the fact that they attacked a nuke plant .. risky & stupid stuff
So far I don't know if it was a target or just one of many daily fuckups by the Russian army.
They sure have not shone. There were reports it was attacked on all sides .. but Fog of war, we don't really know for sure
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They sure have not shone. There were reports it was attacked on all sides .. but Fog of war, we don't really know for sure
Western media once again is reporting bullshit. They want us to believe the Russian invasion is failing and soldiers are deserting to save their own lives. Despite the poor military leadership, Russia controls a large part of Ukraine. Soon they will control all of it, and that fraud Zelenskyy will be on the run. You won't hear that from our media.

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^^ YUPPERS!!
Save N America also
The fire was in building next to reactor .. not the reactor building itself
playing with fire
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The fire was in building next to reactor .. not the reactor building itself
playing with fire
Hopefully it won't be on fire.
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They sure have not shone. There were reports it was attacked on all sides .. but Fog of war, we don't really know for sure
Western media once again is reporting bullshit. They want us to believe the Russian invasion is failing and soldiers are deserting to save their own lives. Despite the poor military leadership, Russia controls a large part of Ukraine. Soon they will control all of it, and that fraud Zelenskyy will be on the run. You won't hear that from our media.
It has become very obvious the media in North America and Europe are once again giving a misleading narrative. Ukraine is quickly falling to a conquering army.
I don't believe Russia started a fire at a Ukrainian nuclear plant. It's more likely Ukrainians started a fire at a Ukrainian nuclear plant and pointed fingers at Russia....
It's their MO....
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I don't believe Russia started a fire at a Ukrainian nuclear plant. It's more likely Ukrainians started a fire at a Ukrainian nuclear plant and pointed fingers at Russia....
It's their MO....
Whichever side is responsible, I doubt it was intentional. And it happened at a building on the grounds beside the reactor.
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Western media once again is reporting bullshit. They want us to believe the Russian invasion is failing and soldiers are deserting to save their own lives. Despite the poor military leadership, Russia controls a large part of Ukraine. Soon they will control all of it, and that fraud Zelenskyy will be on the run. You won't hear that from our media.
And then what?
Russia will be deemed an occupying army, not a valid government.
Inasmuch as Russia has now gone too far down the path of war, so has the West gone too far down the path of punishing and crippling Russia.
At what point will everyone pack up and go home so peace can reign?
We dont really know how Ukes are reacting to the Russian rule.
Talk of Russia moving to a Gold standard now.....
They are looking for volunteers to house.Ukrainian women and kids.
With my luck, its gonna be some rural matushka with 6 kids.
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We dont really know how Ukes are reacting to the Russian rule.
The Russians aren't ruling Ukraine yet.
The second round of talks between Ukrainian and Russian delegations on Thursday ended without a ceasefire agreement, but the two sides agreed to set up humanitarian and evacuation corridors, according to a top Ukrainian official.
Ukraine's presidential adviser Mykhailo Podolyak said the two sides will together provide humanitarian corridors to evacuate civilians, deliver food, and deliver medicine to areas with heavy fighting across the country.
The announcement comes as Russian President Vladimir Putin said his country's military has offered safe corridors to civilians to allow them to leave. During a call with members of his Security Council, Putin alleged without evidence or details that Ukrainian nationalist groups are preventing civilians from leaving areas.
Putin again said the Russian military is fighting "neo-Nazis," while asserting that some Ukrainians were "fooled by nationalist propaganda."
During a news conference on Thursday, Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky said the prospect of another round of talks between the two sides lacks promise. But he said that the two still need to negotiate because "any words are more important than shots."
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Videos mean nothing. There is no way to know who is who
Any army will shoot the deserters.
You cant leave the country... And then come back after the fighting is done.
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Videos mean nothing. There is no way to know who is who
Any army will shoot the deserters.
You cant leave the country... And then come back after the fighting is done.
That is the way it should be. Any soldier that deserts while his country is under attack, cannot return when the dust settles without facing serious consequences.
The sooner Russia can get this over with the better off we all will be including Ukrainians and Russians.
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The sooner Russia can get this over with the better off we all will be including Ukrainians and Russians.
How do you justify this war?
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The sooner Russia can get this over with the better off we all will be including Ukrainians and Russians.
How do you justify this war?
Justify it implies I wanted it. I did not.
I don't understand. You want Russia to win?
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I don't understand. You want Russia to win?
Ukraine will not win. The quicker Russia controls all of the key areas of Ukraine will hasten the departure of Zelensky and the end of fighting which is the best realistic outcome.
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I don't understand. You want Russia to win?
I want the cessation of hostilities and the Ukraine to back away from all NATO applications. I also want Zelensky charged and new free elections conducted.
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The sooner Russia can get this over with the better off we all will be including Ukrainians and Russians.
How do you justify this war?
NATO, the Biden administration, Lockheed Martin, Raytheon, as well as some GOP and democRAT senators wanted this conflict, but not Ukraine and Russia.
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The sooner Russia can get this over with the better off we all will be including Ukrainians and Russians.
How do you justify this war?
NATO, the Biden administration, Lockheed Martin, Raytheon, as well as some GOP and democRAT senators wanted this conflict, but not Ukraine and Russia.
Those evil cocksuckers forced this war. Putin never wanted it.
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The sooner Russia can get this over with the better off we all will be including Ukrainians and Russians.
How do you justify this war?
NATO, the Biden administration, Lockheed Martin, Raytheon, as well as some GOP and democRAT senators wanted this conflict, but not Ukraine and Russia.
Those evil cocksuckers forced this war. Putin never wanted it.
Putin resurrected a stupid dangerous failed policy and the result is war.
The Biden administration did everything they could to instigate the invasion of the Ukraine. Russia's demands were reasonable and just.
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Thinking through the Ukraine crisis – the causes
"It would be extraordinarily difficult to expand Nato eastward without that action's being viewed by Russia as unfriendly. Even the most modest schemes would bring the alliance to the borders of the old Soviet Union. Some of the more ambitious versions would have the alliance virtually surround the Russian Federation itself." I wrote those words in 1994, in my book Beyond Nato: Staying Out of Europe's Wars, at a time when expansion proposals merely constituted occasional speculation in foreign policy seminars in New York and Washington. I added that expansion "would constitute a needless provocation of Russia".
What was not publicly known at the time was that Bill Clinton's administration had already made the fateful decision the previous year to push for including some former Warsaw Pact countries in Nato. The administration would soon propose inviting Poland, the Czech Republic and Hungary to become members, and the US Senate approved adding those countries to the North Atlantic Treaty in 1998. It would be the first of several waves of membership expansion.
Even that first stage provoked Russian opposition and anger. In her memoir, Madeleine Albright, Clinton's secretary of state, concedes that "[Russian president Boris] Yeltsin and his countrymen were strongly opposed to enlargement, seeing it as a strategy for exploiting their vulnerability and moving Europe's dividing line to the east, leaving them isolated."
Strobe Talbott, deputy secretary of state, similarly described the Russian attitude. "Many Russians see Nato as a vestige of the cold war, inherently directed against their country. They point out that they have disbanded the Warsaw Pact, their military alliance, and ask why the west should not do the same." It was an excellent question, and neither the Clinton administration nor its successors provided even a remotely convincing answer.
George Kennan, the intellectual father of America's containment policy during the cold war, perceptively warned in a May 1998 New York Times interview about what the Senate's ratification of Nato's first round of expansion would set in motion. "I think it is the beginning of a new cold war," Kennan stated. "I think the Russians will gradually react quite adversely and it will affect their policies. I think it is a tragic mistake. There was no reason for this whatsoever. No one was threatening anybody else."
He was right, but US and Nato leaders proceeded with new rounds of expansion, including the provocative step of adding the three Baltic republics. Those countries not only had been part of the Soviet Union, but they had also been part of Russia's empire during the Czarist era. That wave of expansion now had Nato perched on the border of the Russian Federation.
Moscow's patience with Nato's ever more intrusive behavior was wearing thin. The last reasonably friendly warning from Russia that the alliance needed to back off came in March 2007, when Putin addressed the annual Munich security conference. "Nato has put its frontline forces on our borders," Putin complained. Nato expansion "represents a serious provocation that reduces the level of mutual trust. And we have the right to ask: against whom is this expansion intended? And what happened to the assurances our western partners made after the dissolution of the Warsaw Pact?"
In his memoir, Duty, Robert M Gates, who served as secretary of defense in the administrations of both George W Bush and Barack Obama, stated his belief that "the relationship with Russia had been badly mismanaged after [George HW] Bush left office in 1993". Among other missteps, "US agreements with the Romanian and Bulgarian governments to rotate troops through bases in those countries was a needless provocation." In an implicit rebuke to the younger Bush, Gates asserted that "trying to bring Georgia and Ukraine into Nato was truly overreaching". That move, he contended, was a case of "recklessly ignoring what the Russians considered their own vital national interests".
The following year, the Kremlin demonstrated that its discontent with Nato's continuing incursions into Russia's security zone had moved beyond verbal objections. Moscow exploited a foolish provocation by Georgia's pro‐western government to launch a military offensive that brought Russian troops to the outskirts of the capital. Thereafter, Russia permanently detached two secessionist‐minded Georgian regions and put them under effective Russian control.
Western (especially US) leaders continued to blow through red warning light after a red warning light, however. The Obama administration's shockingly arrogant meddling in Ukraine's internal political affairs in 2013 and 2014 to help demonstrators overthrow Ukraine's elected, pro‐Russia president was the single most brazen provocation, and it caused tensions to spike. Moscow immediately responded by seizing and annexing Crimea, and a new cold war was underway with a vengeance.
Could the Ukraine crisis have been avoided?
Events during the past few months constituted the last chance to avoid a hot war in eastern Europe. Putin demanded that Nato provide guarantees on several security issues. Specifically, the Kremlin wanted binding assurances that the alliance would reduce the scope of its growing military presence in eastern Europe and would never offer membership to Ukraine. He backed up those demands with a massive military buildup on Ukraine's borders.
The Biden administration's response to Russia's quest for meaningful western concessions and security guarantees was tepid and evasive. Putin then clearly decided to escalate matters. Washington's attempt to make Ukraine a Nato political and military pawn (even absent the country's formal membership in the alliance) may end up costing the Ukrainian people dearly.
The Ukraine tragedy
History will show that Washington's treatment of Russia in the decades following the demise of the Soviet Union was a policy blunder of epic proportions. It was entirely predictable that Nato expansion would ultimately lead to a tragic, perhaps violent, breach of relations with Moscow. Perceptive analysts warned of the likely consequences, but those warnings went unheeded. We are now paying the price for the US foreign policy establishment's myopia and arrogance.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/feb/28/nato-expansion-war-russia-ukraine
We are not going to have a big war..
Its just wishful thinking.

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We are not going to have a big war..
Its just wishful thinking.

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Biden just needed to start a little war to take up half his state of the union address and distract from his dismal record.
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We are not going to have a big war..
Its just wishful thinking.
There isn't going to be a major war.
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We are not going to have a big war..
Its just wishful thinking.

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Biden just needed to start a little war to take up half his state of the union address and distract from his dismal record.
But... We already made plans to take back our territories.
Already made wedding reservations for me and my war-booty Russian wife.
You southerners always make promises you dont intend to keep. ac_sothere
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But... We already made plans to take back our territories.
Already made wedding reservations for me and my war-booty Russian wife.
You southerners always make promises you dont intend to keep. ac_sothere
Your territories? Shen Li is a Southerner? Have you been into the vodka with your new Ukrainian neighbours?
Whilst the argument about NATO's provocative expansion no doubt put Russia under pressure, these "blame the West" guiltmakers constantly ignore the behaviour of Russia on the world's stage.
To back away from Russia and disarm requires a massive degree of trust on BOTH sides. Before we start pointing fingers, consider the crucial fact that Russia has a powerful nuclear arsenal. And where are its nukes aimed?
No discussion about peace in Europe can ignore Russia's massive nuclear capability, but all these "academics" and "experts" who offer commentary on the "chicken or the egg" concept of blame constantly ignore this core issue.
Russia wants NATO to back off, but it still maintains the means of destroying all of Europe, and has indicated that it would use this weaponry if necessary.
Russia's behaviour as a member of the European community has been deplorable at best. Assassinations in other countries using poisons are bad enough, but when confronted with evidence of their crime, they lie, deceive and berate Western lies. Russia is not a country you can deal with and have faith in any agreement. It has no respect for the West.
NATO knew what it was doing. Keeping the bear in its cage is the only way to guarantee peace with a nuclear armed, highly militarised nation that has no qualms using force to implement foreign policy. NATO needs to withdraw and disarm, but only when Russia's nuclear force is put on the table.
There has never been a nuclear war. Russia gets just as many kudos for avoiding it at all costs as the rest of the nuclear capable nations.
I believe you mentioned once before that you've got some Ukrainian ancestors. That may be why you're leaning more towards Ukraine and away from Russia.
I have a very mutt background but a lot of it is Scandinavian and Western European. My ancestors could be very barbaric. I don't condone their actions despite my genetics.
Here are some real problems Ukrainians are facing.
Many trans-gender and gender nonbinary people are stuck in Ukraine.
Because it still says "male" in the passport.
:laugh3:
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I believe you mentioned once before that you've got some Ukrainian ancestors. That may be why you're leaning more towards Ukraine and away from Russia.
Nope. Polish.
I'm not leaning away from anything except war.
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I believe you mentioned once before that you've got some Ukrainian ancestors. That may be why you're leaning more towards Ukraine and away from Russia.
Nope. Polish.
I'm not leaning away from anything except war.
If Ukraine follows Poland's path, it's war.
Interesting newspaper screenshots going back 6 years about NATO "standards" in Ukraine:
https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/world/from-2016-ukraine-army-was-upgrading-to-nato-standards-finished-in-2020-look-what-those-standards-achieved-russia-stomped-them-all
(If nothing else, note the screen caps and disregard the opinion)....
John Mearsheimer in 2015 on Ukraine, Russia, and US/NATO:
https://www.bitchute.com/video/h12NwBAwCafk/
First 46 minutes is his presentation. The rest is Q&A.
Why is Ukraine lying about the civilian casualties?
Because the coup Ukrainian puppet leaders are cocksuckers....
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Interesting newspaper screenshots going back 6 years about NATO "standards" in Ukraine:
https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/world/from-2016-ukraine-army-was-upgrading-to-nato-standards-finished-in-2020-look-what-those-standards-achieved-russia-stomped-them-all
(If nothing else, note the screen caps and disregard the opinion)....
If a significant percentage of their soldiers are nazi thugs, they haven't met NATO standards.
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Why is Ukraine lying about the civilian casualties?
What are the real figures Odi?
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Why is Ukraine lying about the civilian casualties?
What are the real figures Odi?
I dont know but they are considerably higher than a few hundred.
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Why is Ukraine lying about the civilian casualties?
What are the real figures Odi?
I dont know but they are considerably higher than a few hundred.
Why do Ukrainian officials want the numbers to seem lower than what they are?
I can understand why Russia wants civilian casualty figures to appear lower, but why would Ukraine?
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Why is Ukraine lying about the civilian casualties?
What are the real figures Odi?
I dont know but they are considerably higher than a few hundred.
Why do Ukrainian officials want the numbers to seem lower than what they are?
I can understand why Russia wants civilian casualty figures to appear lower, but why would Ukraine?
The experts in the news are suspecting that the civilian casualties are many thousands.
Few hundred sounds ridiculous.
Maybe the cool Ukrainian President doesnt want people to realize that he is infact surrounded by 2 million human-shields.
His fighters are fighting in heavily populated areas.
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Why is Ukraine lying about the civilian casualties?
What are the real figures Odi?
I dont know but they are considerably higher than a few hundred.
Why do Ukrainian officials want the numbers to seem lower than what they are?
I can understand why Russia wants civilian casualty figures to appear lower, but why would Ukraine?
The experts in the news are suspecting that the civilian casualties are many thousands.
Few hundred sounds ridiculous.
Maybe the cool Ukrainian President doesnt want people to realize that he is infact surrounded by 2 million human-shields.
His fighters are fighting in heavily populated areas.
If Ukrainians knew the true civilian casualties, they might not contunue to fight....I see, thank you.
Vladimir Putin is starting to get what he wants. German Chancellor Olaf Scholz said that "Ukraine's NATO membership is not on the agenda."
NATO has also rejected Ukraine's appeal for a no-fly zone, prompting fierce criticism from President Volodymyr Zelenskyy.
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Vladimir Putin is starting to get what he wants. German Chancellor Olaf Scholz said that "Ukraine's NATO membership is not on the agenda."
NATO has also rejected Ukraine's appeal for a no-fly zone, prompting fierce criticism from President Volodymyr Zelenskyy.
Neither could be on the table.
We do fly close to them because they test our & others borders ... but just flying against a nuclear power much less shooting "in a war zone" is a whole other thing
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Vladimir Putin is starting to get what he wants. German Chancellor Olaf Scholz said that "Ukraine's NATO membership is not on the agenda."
NATO has also rejected Ukraine's appeal for a no-fly zone, prompting fierce criticism from President Volodymyr Zelenskyy.
Neither could be on the table.
We do fly close to them because they test our & others borders ... but just flying against a nuclear power much less shooting "in a war zone" is a whole other thing
NATO membership was on the table. US troop buildups in countries close to Russia was also on the table. Biden rejected all of Russia's reasonable objections to these provocations. The veep even went as far to repeat calls for troop buildups in Eastern Europe and Ukraine in NATO as Russia started to position their military on Ukraine's borders. Biden/Harris instigated this war that Russia didn't want.
NATO should be dissolved. The Warsaw Pact is gone. All it has done for the past 30 fucking years has start wars in the former Yugoslavia and the USSR.
NATO is for pussies.
I´m more concerned about the west turning into an Islamic hellhole.
With gender transitioning kids thrown into the mix.
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NATO is for pussies.
It was needed long ago.
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NATO is for pussies.
Are you calling Finland a pussy? :swoon:
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I´m more concerned about the west turning into an Islamic hellhole.
With gender transitioning kids thrown into the mix.
I don't see the connection between the them?
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"Many Russians see Nato as a vestige of the cold war, inherently directed against their country. They point out that they have disbanded the Warsaw Pact, their military alliance, and ask why the west should not do the same." It was an excellent question, and neither the Clinton administration nor its successors provided even a remotely convincing answer.
I keep meaning to address this point.
Neither the Soviet Union, nor its bastard child Russia "disbanded" the Warsaw Pact.
The members of this pact were the Soviet Union, Poland, Hungary, East Germany, Czechoslovakia, Bulgaria and Romania. If memory serves Yugoslavia was an "ally" but Marshall Tito resisted being a full member.
All of these countries separated from the alliance with the Soviet Union when the Soviet bloc collapsed. The Warsaw Pact ceased to exist.
Russia found itself without "allies" (a better word is puppets) that served no other purpose but to act as a buffer between the Soviet Union and the Western nations. They did not disband it. The other nations walked away by their own choice. It is worth remembering that the Soviet Union invaded two of these countries when they sought to free themselves from Moscow's shackles. The Soviets, aka Russia, was never timid in rolling tanks into other countries to get them to comply.
The collapse of the Warsaw Pact was never a generous gesture of peace and goodwill from Russia. There was no acceptance that the end of that alliance would imply that NATO should pack up and go home.
Whilst I'm sure all members here are experts on NATO's relationship with the West, but it just MIGHT be possible that NATO knows more about the nature of Russian politicians than we do. Putin was a KGB operative. You do not become a member of the KGB's officer ranks without demonstrating an element of barbarity and slavish loyalty to the flag.
Would anyone in this forum trust a Russian politician?
What a bunch of hogwash. NATO has no reason to exist and hasn't for a long time. But like every bloated organisation or bureaucracy that's lost its mandate, it plods on.
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What a bunch of hogwash. NATO has no reason to exist and hasn't for a long time. But like every bloated organisation or bureaucracy that's lost its mandate, it plods on.

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I´m more concerned about the west turning into an Islamic hellhole.
With gender transitioning kids thrown into the mix.
I don't see the connection between the them?
The general point is that the west has been infiltrated by the enemy culture already.
And there is cultural decay going on.
Putin is a patriot and he defends Russian culture.
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NATO is for pussies.
Are you calling Finland a pussy? :swoon:
Here is the official Finnish state policy.

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"Many Russians see Nato as a vestige of the cold war, inherently directed against their country. They point out that they have disbanded the Warsaw Pact, their military alliance, and ask why the west should not do the same." It was an excellent question, and neither the Clinton administration nor its successors provided even a remotely convincing answer.
I keep meaning to address this point.
Neither the Soviet Union, nor its bastard child Russia "disbanded" the Warsaw Pact.
The members of this pact were the Soviet Union, Poland, Hungary, East Germany, Czechoslovakia, Bulgaria and Romania. If memory serves Yugoslavia was an "ally" but Marshall Tito resisted being a full member.
All of these countries separated from the alliance with the Soviet Union when the Soviet bloc collapsed. The Warsaw Pact ceased to exist.
Russia found itself without "allies" (a better word is puppets) that served no other purpose but to act as a buffer between the Soviet Union and the Western nations. They did not disband it. The other nations walked away by their own choice. It is worth remembering that the Soviet Union invaded two of these countries when they sought to free themselves from Moscow's shackles. The Soviets, aka Russia, was never timid in rolling tanks into other countries to get them to comply.
The collapse of the Warsaw Pact was never a generous gesture of peace and goodwill from Russia. There was no acceptance that the end of that alliance would imply that NATO should pack up and go home.
Whilst I'm sure all members here are experts on NATO's relationship with the West, but it just MIGHT be possible that NATO knows more about the nature of Russian politicians than we do. Putin was a KGB operative. You do not become a member of the KGB's officer ranks without demonstrating an element of barbarity and slavish loyalty to the flag.
Would anyone in this forum trust a Russian politician?
The Warsaw Pact was formed to defend and advance an ideology that no longer exists. NATO was formed counter the advance of an ideology that no longer exists.
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Secretary of State Antony Blinken said Sunday on CBS's "Face The Nation" that the United States has given the "green light" to NATO countries who have wanted to provide fighter jets to Ukraine.
Russia has warned countries offering airfields to Ukraine would be entering the ongoing conflict.
Partial transcript as follows:
MARGARET BRENNAN: NATO has said none of its 30 members are willing to set up a no-fly zone. President Biden has been very clear. He has no interest in that or combat troops. But what more can the United States do here? If, for instance, the Polish government, a NATO member wants to send fighter jets, does that get a green light from the U.S.? Or you were afraid that that will escalate tension?
BLINKEN: No, that- that gets a green light. In fact, we're talking with our Polish friends right now about what we might be able to do to back fill their needs if in fact they choose to provide these fighter jets to to the Ukrainians. What could we do? How can we help to make sure that they get something to backfill the planes that they're handing over to- to the Ukrainians? We're in very active discussions with them about that. Look, I've been in Europe for the last couple of days working closely as always with our allies and partners at NATO, the European Union, the G7 countries, and all of us together are continuing to take steps to increase the pressure on Russia through additional sanctions, all of which are very actively under discussion and will be implemented in the in the coming days, as well as taking further steps to give the Ukrainians what they need to defend themselves against the Russian aggression.
https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2022/03/06/blinken-nato-countries-have-green-light-to-send-fighter-jets-to-ukraine/
Jesus H, here we go.
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The Warsaw Pact was formed to defend and advance an ideology that no longer exists. NATO was formed counter the advance of an ideology that no longer exists.
So, if I understand you correctly, because Russia abandoned a flawed ideology, it now renders them a gentle and gregarious member of Europe?
What actions of Russia do you rely on to make that claim?
It still harbours and maintains a massive nuclear stockpile. Is that what you'd expect of a good and friendly neighbour?
If NATO did not exist, do you believe the Baltic states would have remained outside Russian control? Or any of the former Warsaw pact nations?
NATO was formed as an alliance to preserve peace in Europe and to stand against rogue nations that would drag all of Europe into another major war. This is their raison d'etre, so to speak.
"Security in our daily lives is key to our well-being. NATO's purpose is to guarantee the freedom and security of its members through political and military means.
POLITICAL - NATO promotes democratic values and enables members to consult and cooperate on defence and security-related issues to solve problems, build trust and, in the long run, prevent conflict.
MILITARY - NATO is committed to the peaceful resolution of disputes. If diplomatic efforts fail, it has the military power to undertake crisis-management operations. These are carried out under the collective defence clause of NATO's founding treaty - Article 5 of the Washington Treaty or under a United Nations mandate, alone or in cooperation with other countries and international organisations."
No mention of communism.
I get it. I see the world as Russia might see it. But to then excuse Russia by this logic from its unprovoked and unnecessary attack on a small and less able nation is irrational. Killing people when there was no justification cannot be condoned.
Russia apologists seem to be akin to "white guilt" warriors. "We've behaved badly in the past, so all this violence against us and our friends must be OK".
Did NATO's existence provoke Russia. Or would Russia have invaded earlier if NATO did not exist.
NATO provoked...
End of.
As you know, I've accepted that NATO has not helped this situation.
But it is worth considering what Russia's conduct would have been without NATO.
If I were as sharp and articulate as Russell, this is how I would express my views with greater clarity.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rD4QBQVNCCw
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As you know, I've accepted that NATO has not helped this situation.
But it is worth considering what Russia's conduct would have been without NATO.
If I were as sharp and articulate as Russell, this is how I would express my views with greater clarity.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rD4QBQVNCCw
How can anyone tell what Russia's reaction would have been without NATO'S provocations? We're going on three decades now.... Russia isn't the USSR. They've been boxed in.
So, given we cannot predict what Russia's conduct would be, but history tells us they aren't bashful in sending in the tanks, would you thus stand down your army and HOPE Russia will behave? Big risk.
Nonetheless, I think we agree that the solution to this fiasco is alarmingly simple. NATO agrees to cease expanding towards Russia, Russia agrees to honour Ukraine's sovereignty.
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So, given we cannot predict what Russia's conduct would be, but history tells us they aren't bashful in sending in the tanks, would you thus stand down your army and HOPE Russia will behave? Big risk.
Nonetheless, I think we agree that the solution to this fiasco is alarmingly simple. NATO agrees to cease expanding towards Russia, Russia agrees to honour Ukraine's sovereignty.
A win for Russia but not for our West....
The fact that they aint using all their firepower, has turned the war into oldskool infantry slogging.
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A win for Russia but not for our West....
Nobody wins in war.
However, the West can claim they have secured Ukraine's security and sovereignty.
That's a fair result, seeing as how Russia has lost lives and military hardware.
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NATO agrees to cease expanding towards Russia, Russia agrees to honour Ukraine's sovereignty.
Yep.
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So, if I understand you correctly, because Russia abandoned a flawed ideology, it now renders them a gentle and gregarious member of Europe?
What actions of Russia do you rely on to make that claim?
It still harbours and maintains a massive nuclear stockpile. Is that what you'd expect of a good and friendly neighbour?
If NATO did not exist, do you believe the Baltic states would have remained outside Russian control? Or any of the former Warsaw pact nations?
NATO was formed as an alliance to preserve peace in Europe and to stand against rogue nations that would drag all of Europe into another major war. This is their raison d'etre, so to speak.
"Security in our daily lives is key to our well-being. NATO's purpose is to guarantee the freedom and security of its members through political and military means.
POLITICAL - NATO promotes democratic values and enables members to consult and cooperate on defence and security-related issues to solve problems, build trust and, in the long run, prevent conflict.
MILITARY - NATO is committed to the peaceful resolution of disputes. If diplomatic efforts fail, it has the military power to undertake crisis-management operations. These are carried out under the collective defence clause of NATO's founding treaty - Article 5 of the Washington Treaty or under a United Nations mandate, alone or in cooperation with other countries and international organisations."
No mention of communism.
I get it. I see the world as Russia might see it. But to then excuse Russia by this logic from its unprovoked and unnecessary attack on a small and less able nation is irrational. Killing people when there was no justification cannot be condoned.
Russia apologists seem to be akin to "white guilt" warriors. "We've behaved badly in the past, so all this violence against us and our friends must be OK".
Did NATO's existence provoke Russia. Or would Russia have invaded earlier if NATO did not exist.
Russia disbanded it's empire. Yugoslavia did too. That was not enough for the US though was it. NATO exists today because the military-industrial complex in the US has a lot of power over Washington. Trump tried to change that and Biden changed it back. He also deliberately caused the invasion of Ukraine.
Dissolve NATO. It has caused several wars in the former Soviet Union and Yugoslavia.
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Nonetheless, I think we agree that the solution to this fiasco is alarmingly simple. NATO agrees to cease expanding towards Russia, Russia agrees to honour Ukraine's sovereignty.
I believe the European members of NATO would agree to that. The problem as always is the United States.
There is a lot more support in the Ukraine for the EU than there is NATO.
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Dissolve NATO. It has caused several wars in the former Soviet Union and Yugoslavia.
I get your point. But, I've asked more than once but no-one has responded; do you believe that Russia will confine itself to its own borders, and pose no military threat to any other European nation?
If so, on what doing you base that trust?
I'm quite surprised that Bricktop is not blaming the USA the way Shen Li is..
And if anyone would be taking Ukraine's side, I thought it would be Herman.
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I'm quite surprised that Bricktop is not blaming the USA the way Shen Li is..
And if anyone would be taking Ukraine's side, I thought it would be Herman.
Zelenskyy is a piece of shit. That selfish prick thinks only about what is good for himself and not the country. Only one year ago English language media considered him a corrupt asshole that he is. I want him gone and I sure as hell don't want Ukraine in NATO.
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I'm quite surprised that Bricktop is not blaming the USA the way Shen Li is..
And if anyone would be taking Ukraine's side, I thought it would be Herman.
NATO is not the USA. The US is one member, with one vote.
It is not American troops that surround Russia, but French, German, Polish, Estonian, Italian, Turkish and Dutch, to name but a few.
This is a European crisis of Europe's own making.
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I'm quite surprised that Bricktop is not blaming the USA the way Shen Li is..
And if anyone would be taking Ukraine's side, I thought it would be Herman.
NATO is not the USA. The US is one member, with one vote.
It is not American troops that surround Russia, but French, German, Polish, Estonian, Italian, Turkish and Dutch, to name but a few.
This is a European crisis of Europe's own making.
Do you know what the joke is in Brussels among the NATO military attaches? (And I mean this in a perfectly serious, deadpan way...)
"N.A.T.O. - and acronym - stands for: Needs. America. To. Operate."
Seriously ... America's military wherewithal is equal to the rest of NATO's all put together, times 5, at the absolute very least.
Senator Marco Rubio warned Sunday that establishing a no-fly zone over Ukraine would trigger World War III.
A no-fly zone, otherwise known as an air-exclusion zone, is an order banning aircraft over a certain area.
In war, such aerial demilitarized zones are intended to prohibit military aircraft from engaging in bombing runs and other hostile actions. Military enforcement is thus required, which includes shooting down aircraft that violate the no-fly order. In this situation, if NATO were to establish a no-fly zone over Ukraine, enforcement would mean NATO forces engaging Russian aircraft.
They cannot do it. 1st incident, Russia would declare war of the attacking country ... and it's quite understandable
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Senator Marco Rubio warned Sunday that establishing a no-fly zone over Ukraine would trigger World War III.
This is nonsense.
Russia would not risk oblivion if NATO confronts it on neutral soil. NATO will make it clear it will not infringe on Russian sovereignty in enforcing a no-fly zone over the territory of a neutral country.
As I've said a number of times, Russia is utterly outgunned by NATO. If relies heavily on bluff and threats to intimidate its adversaries, and they back this up with their massive nuclear arsenal. That is their trump card. But if they initiated a nuclear war, they would be guaranteeing their own destruction.
Russian power is heavily amplified by western media and military commentators and this has conditioned us to think Russia is unassailable.
This is simply untrue. Russia would be terrified if NATO stepped up and entered the conflict.
Ukraine is not Russian territory. NATO defending a non-aligned country from an illegal and brutal onslaught would not trigger WW3 if it were confined to that country.
That is the problem. If it spilled over onto Russian soil, then we'd have a major problem on our hands. The risk is too high.

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This is the first time the western world has formed such a powerful "coalition" — including multiple public-private partnerships between banks, big corporations, and world governments — in response to foreign disputes. But the way world leaders banded together demonstrates what may be coming for us all: The Great Reset. And now, proponents of the World Economic Forum's masterplan have a crisis on their hands they likely will not let go to waste.
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I cannot take Glenn Beck seriously. Wasn't he fired from Fox News for outlandish conspiracy theorising?
He reminds me more of a televangelist than an informed journalist.
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I cannot take Glenn Beck seriously. Wasn't he fired from Fox News for outlandish conspiracy theorising?
No idea. But, when woke global capitalism and Western governments form a united front it is always bad news for working class folks.
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"N.A.T.O. - and acronym - stands for: Needs. America. To. Operate."
I believe that. The US has the final say on what NATO does. The wars in the former Yugoslavia happened because Washington and Bill Clinton in particular wanted them.
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This is the first time the western world has formed such a powerful "coalition" — including multiple public-private partnerships between banks, big corporations, and world governments — in response to foreign disputes. But the way world leaders banded together demonstrates what may be coming for us all: The Great Reset. And now, proponents of the World Economic Forum's masterplan have a crisis on their hands they likely will not let go to waste.
The decisons they have made will have a negative affect on all people, not just Russians.
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Quote from: Herman post_id=442752 time=1646699873 user_id=1689
This is the first time the western world has formed such a powerful "coalition" — including multiple public-private partnerships between banks, big corporations, and world governments — in response to foreign disputes. But the way world leaders banded together demonstrates what may be coming for us all: The Great Reset. And now, proponents of the World Economic Forum's masterplan have a crisis on their hands they likely will not let go to waste.
The decisons they have made will have a negative affect on all people, not just Russians.
That is true, we will pay. Take Russian resources off the global market would be okay if Noirth America were allowed to pick up the slack. But Justine and Jim Crow Joe will not allow that.
I don't speak Russian so I can't tell if the subtitles are accurate, but this could be potentially worrisome:
https://www.bitchute.com/video/FIXhj0B8c1hL/
Quote from: "Dinky Dazza" post_id=442806 time=1646736582 user_id=1676
I don't speak Russian so I can't tell if the subtitles are accurate, but this could be potentially worrisome:
https://www.bitchute.com/video/FIXhj0B8c1hL/
I need more than a bitchute video.
Gasoline is 2,24 euros per liter.
And its gonna rise.
Diesel is at a similar level and insider sources tell me its gonna spike 25 cents soon.
1000 liters of heating oil costs 300 euros more now than it did less than 2 weeks ago.
This wouldnt be so annoying if it wasnt for the years of climate change money squeezing.
While salaries have stayed the same..
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Gasoline is 2,24 euros per liter.
And its gonna rise.
Diesel is at a similar level and insider sources tell me its gonna spike 25 cents soon.
1000 liters of heating oil costs 300 euros more now than it did less than 2 weeks ago.
This wouldnt be so annoying if it wasnt for the years of climate change money squeezing.
While salaries have stayed the same..
G20 nations are reaping what they have sown. It isn't Russia's fault either. Restricting natural resource development while wasting billions of taxpayer dollars on pie in the sky wind and solar has been a disaster.
Poland's military has not and won't send its fighter jets to Ukraine to support the country's military against Russia, said a deputy foreign minister.
Purported Azov unit nailing up a Russian on a cross and setting him alight (graphic):
https://www.bitchute.com/video/MyY1uNHixiaV/
The first crack in the global alliance to impose co-ordinated sanctions against Russia over President Vladimir Putin's invasion of Ukraine has appeared between two of NATO's most powerful members — the United States and Germany.
Germany, which relies on Russia for 55% of its natural gas imports along with 30% of its oil, is opposed to a U.S.-led effort calling for an international ban on Russian energy exports.
German Chancellor Olaf Scholz said such a move would endanger the energy security of his country's citizens which is "why it is a conscious decision on our part to continue the activities of business enterprises in the area of energy supply with Russia."
While the move would damage the Russian economy, the global economy would be hard hit as well, especially in Europe, which imports 40% of its natural gas supplies and 25% of its oil from Russia.
German Foreign Minister Annalena Baerbock said there was no point in supporting such a ban "if in three weeks we find that we only have a few days of electricity left in Germany and therefore we have to go back on these sanctions."
Merkel did it .. deliberately made Germany totally dependent on Russia (of all countries)
while any 1/2 wise observer could see he folly of it from the get-go
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I don't speak Russian so I can't tell if the subtitles are accurate, but this could be potentially worrisome:
https://www.bitchute.com/video/FIXhj0B8c1hL/
I need more than a bitchute video.
Did you even watch any of it?
I need people to witness or view something on its merits or lack thereof before they offer up an opinion.
...or the next time you put up a YouTube video, I'll be obligated to offer an opinion of it without viewing it (which is generally a pretty safe bet because it's an Alphabet Company holding and rife with propaganda and lies)....
Yes, I watched it.....it was entertaining for some people.
He lied.
Ukraine has 10,000 US biolabs
Everyone knows that

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The claims of US biolabs are not new. Putin claimed last year that the US was developing biological laboratories by the Russian border. The pathogens were supposedly destroyed by Ukraine so that Russian soldiers would not find evidence of their existence.
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Purported Azov unit nailing up a Russian on a cross and setting him alight (graphic):
https://www.bitchute.com/video/MyY1uNHixiaV/
Nice... The Russians are just gonna do the same to the Ukrainians.
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So... They know what they are doing.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1500824118454898689
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So... They know what they are doing.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1500824118454898689
Biden's fifty years in Washington have been all about contradicting himself.
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Germany, which relies on Russia for 55% of its natural gas imports along with 30% of its oil, is opposed to a U.S.-led effort calling for an international ban on Russian energy exports.
I said from the get go that developing energy reliance on a country like Russia was strategically suicidal.
But no. The Germans ignored all the warnings. No sympathy now.
Fools.
We will get the same result from our reliance on Chinese made goods.
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I need more than a bitchute video.
Did you even watch any of it?
I need people to witness or view something on its merits or lack thereof before they offer up an opinion.
...or the next time you put up a YouTube video, I'll be obligated to offer an opinion of it without viewing it (which is generally a pretty safe bet because it's an Alphabet Company holding and rife with propaganda and lies)....
I don't, and don't want to, see all the faecebook SDK's, Twitterpoop, and UTubular humping on this site.
Grosses me out.
:yuk: :yuk:
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Quote from: seoulbro post_id=442822 time=1646760020 user_id=114
Germany, which relies on Russia for 55% of its natural gas imports along with 30% of its oil, is opposed to a U.S.-led effort calling for an international ban on Russian energy exports.
I said from the get go that developing energy reliance on a country like Russia was strategically suicidal.
But no. The Germans ignored all the warnings. No sympathy now.
Fools.
We will get the same result from our reliance on Chinese made goods.
Do you see Jim Crow Joe or Justine doing anything about that? Nope. Biden is busy cancelling pipelines and drilling permits on federal lands. Justine is taking it a couple of steps further and destroying Canada's oil and gas sector.
Jim Crow Joe is talking to Venezuela about producing more oil, but he cancelled a pipeline from Western Canada that would have shipped over eight hundred thousand barrels a day to Louisiana. Justine cancelled a pipeline that would have transported 1.5 million barrels a day to Eastern Canada and then on to Europe. He cancelled another massive East coast LNG export facility that could have kept Europe warm in the winter.
Cancel Canadian and American oil and gas and other countries will pick up the slack. Why is that so hard for progtards to understand.
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I said from the get go that developing energy reliance on a country like Russia was strategically suicidal.
But no. The Germans ignored all the warnings. No sympathy now.
Fools.
We will get the same result from our reliance on Chinese made goods.
The get go - inscrutable and distant.
The Germans - Fools
Germans are dreamers. Justine is too.
Quote from: seoulbro post_id=442828 time=1646765985 user_id=114
The claims of US biolabs are not new. Putin claimed last year that the US was developing biological laboratories by the Russian border. The pathogens were supposedly destroyed by Ukraine so that Russian soldiers would not find evidence of their existence.
Izvestia claimed they were doing that near the Chinese border too. China never said the same.
A Russian-language Telegram account warned that a 'full-fledged network of biological laboratories has been deployed' with 'American grants' to study deadly viruses that were already making people sick in Kazakhstan.
Quote from: Herman post_id=442850 time=1646781103 user_id=1689
Quote from: seoulbro post_id=442828 time=1646765985 user_id=114
The claims of US biolabs are not new. Putin claimed last year that the US was developing biological laboratories by the Russian border. The pathogens were supposedly destroyed by Ukraine so that Russian soldiers would not find evidence of their existence.
Izvestia claimed they were doing that near the Chinese border too. China never said the same.
A Russian-language Telegram account warned that a 'full-fledged network of biological laboratories has been deployed' with 'American grants' to study deadly viruses that were already making people sick in Kazakhstan.
silliness
bitchute level stuff
Quote from: cc post_id=442857 time=1646782552 user_id=88
bitchute level stuff
Russia has been making those claims in that bitchute video. Most, if not all is bullshit.

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So is this war helping Biden's re-election chances, or driving them further down the turd tube?
Quote from: Bricktop post_id=442866 time=1646788931 user_id=1560
So is this war helping Biden's re-election chances, or driving them further down the turd tube?
Turd tube, one hundred percent. There is even talk he might "resign" after the democRATs get their asses kicked in the midterms. President Cameltoe Harris. God help Americans.
Surely not.
She is a clueless racist.
Quote from: Bricktop post_id=442878 time=1646793100 user_id=1560
Surely not.
She is a clueless racist.
Two more Democrat boxes ticked.
Quote from: Herman post_id=442859 time=1646783019 user_id=1689
Quote from: cc post_id=442857 time=1646782552 user_id=88
bitchute level stuff
Russia has been making those claims in that bitchute video. Most, if not all is bullshit.
https://twitter.com/RT_com/status/1501299583133134857?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1501299583133134857%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_c10&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.thegatewaypundit.com%2F2022%2F03%2Fbiden-official-victoria-nuland-admits-biological-research-labs-ukraine-following-china-russia-accusations-video%2F
A unique proposal
Alternative to NATO proposed by Zelensky's party
The Servant of the People Party is proposing to sign a new security agreement for Ukraine with the United States, Turkey and Russia instead of NATO membership.
With ongoing negotiations between Ukraine and Russia, Zelensky's Servant of the People Party has proposed a new security agreement as an alternative to the country joining NATO. The party believes that in such an agreement, the guarantors may be the United States, Turkey, and neighboring countries – even including Russia.
By signing such an agreement, Russia will allegedly have legal obligations to recognize Ukrainian statehood and refrain from threatening the Ukrainian people and government.
The party acknowledges that such an agreement may seem absurd given the current situation, but insists that the new treaty will set out specific steps taken by other guarantor states against the violating party.
https://www.jpost.com/international/article-700683
Quote from: Gaon post_id=442930 time=1646804795 user_id=3170
A unique proposal
Alternative to NATO proposed by Zelensky's party
The Servant of the People Party is proposing to sign a new security agreement for Ukraine with the United States, Turkey and Russia instead of NATO membership.
With ongoing negotiations between Ukraine and Russia, Zelensky's Servant of the People Party has proposed a new security agreement as an alternative to the country joining NATO. The party believes that in such an agreement, the guarantors may be the United States, Turkey, and neighboring countries – even including Russia.
By signing such an agreement, Russia will allegedly have legal obligations to recognize Ukrainian statehood and refrain from threatening the Ukrainian people and government.
The party acknowledges that such an agreement may seem absurd given the current situation, but insists that the new treaty will set out specific steps taken by other guarantor states against the violating party.
https://www.jpost.com/international/article-700683
I can't see that working.
Zelensky is lying scum. He can go fuck himself.
Quote from: "Dinky Dazza" post_id=442937 time=1646805338 user_id=1676
Zelensky is lying scum. He can go fuck himself.
I can't stand the oligarch wannable little prick either.
Quote from: Herman post_id=442941 time=1646805760 user_id=1689
Quote from: "Dinky Dazza" post_id=442937 time=1646805338 user_id=1676
Zelensky is lying scum. He can go fuck himself.
I can't stand the oligarch wannable little prick either.
I must have some Ukrainian blood in me....
Quote from: Herman post_id=442941 time=1646805760 user_id=1689
Quote from: "Dinky Dazza" post_id=442937 time=1646805338 user_id=1676
Zelensky is lying scum. He can go fuck himself.
I can't stand the oligarch wannable little prick either.
The only thing I remembered about him before Russia started massing troops along Ukraine's borders was that he liked money and hid it offshore.
The United States has rejected Poland's offer to send its MiG-29 fighter jets to Ukraine via a US airbase in Germany, saying the proposal raised "serious concerns" for the entire NATO alliance.
Grozny.
This is the kind of destruction they can do when the gloves come off.

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Grozny.
This is the kind of destruction they can do when the gloves come off.

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About twenty seven years ago.
Quote from: "iron horse jockey" post_id=442997 time=1646857594 user_id=2015
Quote from: Odinson post_id=442994 time=1646856937 user_id=136
Grozny.
This is the kind of destruction they can do when the gloves come off.

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About twenty seven years ago.
I´m sure their military has gone downhill since then... ac_smile
The fact is that they could steamroll Ukraine if Putin gets pissed off.
Quote from: Odinson post_id=442998 time=1646858014 user_id=136
Quote from: "iron horse jockey" post_id=442997 time=1646857594 user_id=2015
Quote from: Odinson post_id=442994 time=1646856937 user_id=136
Grozny.
This is the kind of destruction they can do when the gloves come off.

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About twenty seven years ago.
I´m sure their military has gone downhill since then... ac_smile
The fact is that they could steamroll Ukraine if Putin gets pissed off.
They are definitely trying to minimize casulaties and damage.
They're not trying very hard.
//https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-60675599
They've bombed a maternity hospital. I guess they thought the infants would join the militia.
Quote from: Bricktop post_id=443006 time=1646861608 user_id=1560
They're not trying very hard.
//https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-60675599
They've bombed a maternity hospital. I guess they thought the infants would join the militia.
They could take over the country and fire Zelenskyy a lot faster with a lot more causlaties if you like.
Germany needs to pull it's head out of it's ass on energy.

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No sense on bombing the hell out of a place if you intend to take possession of it, it's just more stuff you'd have to clean up. But Putin does seem to be getting bogged down though.
Quote from: "Oliver Clotheshoffe" post_id=443043 time=1646879508 user_id=3349
No sense on bombing the hell out of a place if you intend to take possession of it, it's just more stuff you'd have to clean up. But Putin does seem to be getting bogged down though.
They don't intend to take possession of Ukraine. They do not want the infrastructure destroyed either.
Quote from: Herman post_id=443045 time=1646879680 user_id=1689
They don't intend to take possession of Ukraine. They do not want the infrastructure destroyed either.
I respect & I'm interested in your takes on it but don't understand what you just said
1. "They don't intend to take possession of Ukraine. " - What do they intend??
2. "They do not want the infrastructure destroyed either." - But they are doing that
3. From your take on it, what do they intend to achieve as end-result?
Quote from: cc post_id=443051 time=1646880958 user_id=88
Quote from: Herman post_id=443045 time=1646879680 user_id=1689
They don't intend to take possession of Ukraine. They do not want the infrastructure destroyed either.
I respect & I'm interested in your takes on it but don't understand what you just said
1. "They don't intend to take possession of Ukraine. " - What do they intend??
2. "They do not want the infrastructure destroyed either." - But they are doing that
3. From your take on it, what do they intend to achieve as end-result?
!. They aint going to rebuild the USSR or czarist Russia. There will be a new Uke president who will not do the West's bidding. Kind of like the relationship between Russia and Belarus or Russia and Kazakhstan.
2. I disagree. Moscow has held back in order to preserve bridges, airports, roads and so on.
3. See number 1.
Thanks Herm. I get it now
Quote from: Herman post_id=443057 time=1646882206 user_id=1689
Quote from: cc post_id=443051 time=1646880958 user_id=88
Quote from: Herman post_id=443045 time=1646879680 user_id=1689
They don't intend to take possession of Ukraine. They do not want the infrastructure destroyed either.
I respect & I'm interested in your takes on it but don't understand what you just said
1. "They don't intend to take possession of Ukraine. " - What do they intend??
2. "They do not want the infrastructure destroyed either." - But they are doing that
3. From your take on it, what do they intend to achieve as end-result?
!. They aint going to rebuild the USSR or czarist Russia. There will be a new Uke president who will not do the West's bidding. Kind of like the relationship between Russia and Belarus or Russia and Kazakhstan.
2. I disagree. Moscow has held back in order to preserve bridges, airports, roads and so on.
3. See number 1.
I believe it would be a lot easier to keep the Ukraine in Moscow's sphere of influence if Moscow had a stronger economy. They cannot offer the incentives to stay in their orbit the way NATO or the EU can.
Quote from: seoulbro post_id=443059 time=1646882546 user_id=114
I believe it would be a lot easier to keep the Ukraine in Moscow's sphere of influence if Moscow had a stronger economy. They cannot offer the incentives to stay in their orbit the way NATO or the EU can.
Definitely. Ukrainians prefer membership in the EU over NATO. The reason is simple-goodies Brussels can offer that Moscow cannot. So ya, Russia and Ukraine should have focused on growth.
I don't want the Ukraine joining the EU, but NATO is totally unacceptable. I want the Slavic culture to survive. It's hard to do that with meddling from Brussels. Although Poland is putting up a hell of a fight.
Quote from: Herman post_id=443060 time=1646883594 user_id=1689
Quote from: seoulbro post_id=443059 time=1646882546 user_id=114
I believe it would be a lot easier to keep the Ukraine in Moscow's sphere of influence if Moscow had a stronger economy. They cannot offer the incentives to stay in their orbit the way NATO or the EU can.
Definitely. Ukrainians prefer membership in the EU over NATO. The reason is simple-goodies Brussels can offer that Moscow cannot. So ya, Russia and Ukraine should have focused on growth.
I don't want the Ukraine joining the EU, but NATO is totally unacceptable. I want the Slavic culture to survive. It's hard to do that with meddling from Brussels. Although Poland is putting up a hell of a fight.
It seems those former communist countries that joined the EU are always at odds with Brussels. Immigration is one of the big differences of opinion, but there are others too.
https://twitter.com/TulsiGabbard/status/1494981580468621313
https://video.foxnews.com/v/6300182787001#sp=show-clips
Quote from: Herman post_id=443063 time=1646886131 user_id=1689
https://twitter.com/TulsiGabbard/status/1494981580468621313
It wasn't that long ago the West considered the leader of Ukraine a corrupt thug. Fuck, we're getting fed a lot of horseshit.
Quote from: Herman post_id=443064 time=1646886589 user_id=1689
https://video.foxnews.com/v/6300182787001#sp=show-clips
I read about this.
Quote from: Herman post_id=443063 time=1646886131 user_id=1689
https://twitter.com/TulsiGabbard/status/1494981580468621313
I love that.
An American claiming another nation is NOT a democracy because of political corruption and autocracy.
Americans should keep their opinions of other people's form of democratic management to themselves, at least until they clean up the corruption, prejudices and shadowy practices of their own "government".
Fucking idiot.
Quote from: Bricktop post_id=443074 time=1646891557 user_id=1560
Quote from: Herman post_id=443063 time=1646886131 user_id=1689
https://twitter.com/TulsiGabbard/status/1494981580468621313
I love that.
An American claiming another nation is NOT a democracy because of political corruption and autocracy.
Americans should keep their opinions of other people's form of democratic management to themselves, at least until they clean up the corruption, prejudices and shadowy practices of their own "government".
Fucking idiot.
Tulsiis exposing the hypocrisy. Ukraine has never really been a democracy and the West accepted that. Suddenly Ukraine is a democracy and Zelenskyy a model leader. It's all bullshit.
Quote from: Bricktop post_id=443074 time=1646891557 user_id=1560
Quote from: Herman post_id=443063 time=1646886131 user_id=1689
https://twitter.com/TulsiGabbard/status/1494981580468621313
I love that.
An American claiming another nation is NOT a democracy because of political corruption and autocracy.
Americans should keep their opinions of other people's form of democratic management to themselves, at least until they clean up the corruption, prejudices and shadowy practices of their own "government".
Fucking idiot.
America isn't a democracy either.... no matter how many times people say it is.
Democracies are bad for their people.
Nearly all Russian forces arrayed at the Ukrainian border for the invasion have now gone in. Despite losing troops, ground vehicles and aircraft in the fighting, the official estimated these forces remain roughly 95% intact.
Quote from: Herman post_id=443081 time=1646892128 user_id=1689
Nearly all Russian forces arrayed at the Ukrainian border for the invasion have now gone in. Despite losing troops, ground vehicles and aircraft in the fighting, the official estimated these forces remain roughly 95% intact.
And it would have been closer to 100% had the West not kept supplying Ukraine with free gear as a proxy.
Russian troops approaching Kyiv have made little progress in recent days. Ukrainian resistance efforts have slowed down the Russians, particularly in the north.
Another factor is that they still seem to be plagued by logistics and sustainment challenges, including fuel and food shortages.
The United States won't act on a proposal from Poland to take fighter jets from the ally and transfer them to Ukraine because of concerns Russian officials would view the move as escalatory.
The US now admits there are American funded biolabs in Ukraine. They deny they were there to develop bioweaapons to be used against Russia.
If I were the US, I'd certainly want to establish bio and chemical weapon research 300km from Russia.
They'd never find out, would they?
Quote from: Bricktop post_id=443148 time=1646953732 user_id=1560
If I were the US, I'd certainly want to establish bio and chemical weapon research 300km from Russia.
They'd never find out, would they?
A big embarrassment for the US. One they will deny as strenuously as old Fauci's gain of function reseach in China with taxpayer money.
There is a big difference between bioresearch laboratories and bioweapon development...starting with the actual buildings and infrastructure themselves.
A bioweapon research facility would be rather obvious to even the most inept Russian spy.
The US has bioresearch facilities in Australia.
//https://www.ussc.edu.au/analysis/building-a-globally-recognised-agtech-ecosystem-in-australia
USA has to get its oil from Venezuela.
Quote from: Odinson post_id=443160 time=1646954901 user_id=136
USA has to get its oil from Venezuela.
But not Canada or increase domestic production. Progtards only want dictatorships producing oil.
Quote from: Bricktop post_id=443155 time=1646954567 user_id=1560
There is a big difference between bioresearch laboratories and bioweapon development...starting with the actual buildings and infrastructure themselves.
A bioweapon research facility would be rather obvious to even the most inept Russian spy.
The US has bioresearch facilities in Australia.
//https://www.ussc.edu.au/analysis/building-a-globally-recognised-agtech-ecosystem-in-australia
Since the US denied both, and knowing their history of lying about research work abroad, I am starting to think there could be some truth to the Russian allegation.
Quote from: Odinson post_id=443160 time=1646954901 user_id=136
USA has to get its oil from Venezuela.

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Quote from: Herman post_id=443163 time=1646955679 user_id=1689
Quote from: Bricktop post_id=443155 time=1646954567 user_id=1560
There is a big difference between bioresearch laboratories and bioweapon development...starting with the actual buildings and infrastructure themselves.
A bioweapon research facility would be rather obvious to even the most inept Russian spy.
The US has bioresearch facilities in Australia.
//https://www.ussc.edu.au/analysis/building-a-globally-recognised-agtech-ecosystem-in-australia
Since the US denied both, and knowing their history of lying about research work abroad, I am starting to think there could be some truth to the Russian allegation.
You don't scramble to destroy bio "research" labs from falling into different hands unless they're doing bio weapons research.
If NATO had its way and could put "defensive" missile systems along Russia's borders, but scrambled to remove them before they fell into Russia's hands, they're much too offensive to merely be defensive missiles.
Quote from: Odinson post_id=443160 time=1646954901 user_id=136
USA has to get its oil from Venezuela.
They'll have to ask China first. They finance and control production of a lot of Venezuela's reserves.
Quote from: "Dinky Dazza" post_id=443194 time=1646962936 user_id=1676
You don't scramble to destroy bio "research" labs from falling into different hands unless they're doing bio weapons research.
If NATO had its way and could put "defensive" missile systems along Russia's borders, but scrambled to remove them before they fell into Russia's hands, they're much too offensive to merely be defensive missiles.
Is there some evidence of this?
Quote from: Bricktop post_id=443202 time=1646965614 user_id=1560
Quote from: "Dinky Dazza" post_id=443194 time=1646962936 user_id=1676
You don't scramble to destroy bio "research" labs from falling into different hands unless they're doing bio weapons research.
If NATO had its way and could put "defensive" missile systems along Russia's borders, but scrambled to remove them before they fell into Russia's hands, they're much too offensive to merely be defensive missiles.
Is there some evidence of this?
The missiles? Ukraine has been after NATO membership for years and that goes hand in hand.
No, the bioweapon research facilities.
Quote from: Bricktop post_id=443205 time=1646967084 user_id=1560
No, the bioweapon research facilities.
There's upwards of 30 of them in Ukraine....except the US is playing word games.
They don't "have" or "operate" these bio "research" labs but fund them. Some documents from Ukraine published by Russia show that at the very minimum, they're playing around with E.Coli and salmonella but Russia also maintains stuff like anthrax and plague related diseases.
There is no difference between bio research and bio weapons.... just intent.
Quote from: Bricktop post_id=443202 time=1646965614 user_id=1560
Quote from: "Dinky Dazza" post_id=443194 time=1646962936 user_id=1676
You don't scramble to destroy bio "research" labs from falling into different hands unless they're doing bio weapons research.
If NATO had its way and could put "defensive" missile systems along Russia's borders, but scrambled to remove them before they fell into Russia's hands, they're much too offensive to merely be defensive missiles.
Is there some evidence of this?
The US wouldn't deny there are biological weapons in Ukraine.
[media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0IZQJyk3L58[/media]
I will not reject the possibility that dirty weapons exist in Ukraine and America paid for them.
OK. So this is some weird shit.
If bioweapon research is being undertaken, the US has had MONTHS of foreboding that Putin would send in the goons. They could have easily dismantled their labs and bugged out.
Something aint right.
Quote from: Bricktop post_id=443211 time=1646970964 user_id=1560
OK. So this is some weird shit.
If bioweapon research is being undertaken, the US has had MONTHS of foreboding that Putin would send in the goons. They could have easily dismantled their labs and bugged out.
Something aint right.
The same administration that advanced the timeline on Afghanistan withdrawal thus leaving thousands of US citizens stranded, 10's of thousands of unvetted Afghani's on US bound planes, and 80 billion dollars plus of weapons and supplies behind....
Quote from: Bricktop post_id=443211 time=1646970964 user_id=1560
OK. So this is some weird shit.
If bioweapon research is being undertaken, the US has had MONTHS of foreboding that Putin would send in the goons. They could have easily dismantled their labs and bugged out.
Something aint right.
I thought Russia said they did, but left some evidence behind. I do not know all the details either. Like most people I am only learning about this as the details come out.

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https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/03/breaking-russia-convenes-un-security-council-meeting-present-biolab-evidence-friday-10/
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https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/03/breaking-russia-convenes-un-security-council-meeting-present-biolab-evidence-friday-10/
I checked and I can only find this on obscure sites.
It's not exactly US/Biden regime friendly.
Even Fox News isn't approaching it from a head on angle choosing instead to focus on the incompetence side of it versus the why are the labs even there aspect.
Russia smells blood though....
The whole thing smells fishy...
If Russia smells blood, it's because it is bleeding tanks, troops and money.
I don't think so.
They smell blood because a poorer, impoverished, former region of the USSR has been demanding NATO and EU membership while acting as a vassal state of the West.
Not that I concur, but either way, why is that so bad?
You live in a vassal state of the West. You come from the monarch of the vassal states.
Hasn't done you any harm...unless, of course you prefer a Russian way of life.
I come from a bunch of colonies that successfully fought for their freedom which took years and scores of dead and suffering.
I currently reside in nation where they tried the same and it lasted all of 25 minutes.
I'm very aware that I traded down in some aspects but I made my bed here, had a family, loved my new family members, and on this Southern Cross I will die.
But I have attempted to instill my values into my children and I hope they won't throw down pitchforks, dildos, or whatever else this generation tries to use against their nation's constant oppressive regime hiding behind the curtains.
The one that never went away after the Eureka Stockade fail...
Yet you resent Ukraine fighting for it's freedom?
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Yet you resent Ukraine fighting for it's freedom?
I resent Nazi admirers and their suicidal ambitions to settle a score with a now gone nation as the Ukraine fascists look to start a world war with provocative, deceitful, and otherwise obtuse behaviour.
Just the other day the Ukrainians refused half of the proposed evacuation corridors by Russia for Ukrainian refugees.... because they went to the east or south-east. They also refused to remove landmines.
The Azov forces and those sympathetic to them want urban warfare and these motherfucking cowards are willing to sacrifice civilian lives to perpetuate their false narratives.
At any time the Ukraine could have gone a neutral strategy.... over the last fucking decade at the very minimum.
It hasn't and it probably won't ever at this point.
There's no difference between shelling their own people and assassinating it's fleeing civilians compared to getting pounded by hypersonic, thermobaric missiles, or worse.... tactical nukes.
Ukraine needs to fall as quickly and as peacefully as possible.
Traditional Republicans are showing their true colours.
A group of Republican Senators demanded that President Joe Biden follow through with a Polish plan to supply fighter jets to Ukraine as they try to fend off an invasion by Russia.
Sens. Mitt Romney of Utah and Joni Ernst of Iowa joined 40 other Republican senators who signed a letter calling on Biden to expedite the transfer of jets in order to "prevent a brutal and unlawful takeover of Ukraine."
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Traditional Republicans are showing their true colours.
A group of Republican Senators demanded that President Joe Biden follow through with a Polish plan to supply fighter jets to Ukraine as they try to fend off an invasion by Russia.
Sens. Mitt Romney of Utah and Joni Ernst of Iowa joined 40 other Republican senators who signed a letter calling on Biden to expedite the transfer of jets in order to "prevent a brutal and unlawful takeover of Ukraine."
They're morons for pushing that....
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Traditional Republicans are showing their true colours.
A group of Republican Senators demanded that President Joe Biden follow through with a Polish plan to supply fighter jets to Ukraine as they try to fend off an invasion by Russia.
Sens. Mitt Romney of Utah and Joni Ernst of Iowa joined 40 other Republican senators who signed a letter calling on Biden to expedite the transfer of jets in order to "prevent a brutal and unlawful takeover of Ukraine."
They're morons for pushing that....
John McCain is dead, but his warmongering ways within the GOP are not.
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Traditional Republicans are showing their true colours.
A group of Republican Senators demanded that President Joe Biden follow through with a Polish plan to supply fighter jets to Ukraine as they try to fend off an invasion by Russia.
Sens. Mitt Romney of Utah and Joni Ernst of Iowa joined 40 other Republican senators who signed a letter calling on Biden to expedite the transfer of jets in order to "prevent a brutal and unlawful takeover of Ukraine."
They're morons for pushing that....
John McCain is dead, but his warmongering ways within the GOP are not.
I would feel more at peace if I could live on the outer fringes of Russia these days....
https://youtu.be/olHRu_Ou4WI
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https://youtu.be/olHRu_Ou4WI
Where are the good parts?
The World Health Organization advised Ukrainian officials to destroy dangerous pathogens stored in laboratories across the war-torn country to prevent a potential outbreak of disease. The WHO recommended public health labs protect against "any potential spills" in Ukraine that could lead to disease spreading to the general population.
On Wednesday, Russian foreign ministry spokesperson Maria Zakharova reiterated a long-standing allegation that the United States operates biowarfare laboratories in Ukraine. Washington and Kyiv have both denied the accusations.
"We can already conclude that in Ukrainian biological laboratories in direct proximity to the territory of our country, development of components of biological weapons was being carried out," Zakharova claimed.
Reuters reported, "Zakharova said Russia had documents showing that the Ukrainian health ministry had ordered the destruction of samples of plague, cholera, anthrax, and other pathogens after Feb. 24."
Pentagon spokesman John Kirby dismissed the accusations on Wednesday.
The United Nations Security Council scheduled a meeting for Friday to discuss Russia's allegations of "military biological activities of the U.S. on the territory of Ukraine," according to ABC News.
It's just Russian lies to justify their barbarity. There are no bioweapons or research labs in Ukraine.
Russia has provided no evidence.
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Yet you resent Ukraine fighting for it's freedom?
I resent Nazi admirers and their suicidal ambitions to settle a score with a now gone nation as the Ukraine fascists look to start a world war with provocative, deceitful, and otherwise obtuse behaviour.
Just the other day the Ukrainians refused half of the proposed evacuation corridors by Russia for Ukrainian refugees.... because they went to the east or south-east. They also refused to remove landmines.
The Azov forces and those sympathetic to them want urban warfare and these motherfucking cowards are willing to sacrifice civilian lives to perpetuate their false narratives.
At any time the Ukraine could have gone a neutral strategy.... over the last fucking decade at the very minimum.
It hasn't and it probably won't ever at this point.
There's no difference between shelling their own people and assassinating it's fleeing civilians compared to getting pounded by hypersonic, thermobaric missiles, or worse.... tactical nukes.
Ukraine needs to fall as quickly and as peacefully as possible.
You will no doubt have a reliable and irrefutable reference for these allegations.
And I gather you regard "resentment" as a justification for invading a non-threatening, smaller country.
Nobody will deny Ukraine is a troubled nation and that there are Nazi's in its midst. Still does not justify a Russian invasion. At no stage has Ukraine threatened, directly or indirectly, Russian sovereignty.
Russia on the other hand "annexed" Crimea, and two other Ukrainian regions. No provocation. No justification.
You seem to be a cheerleader for their fascism and aggression.
The Nazi's were fascist. Not the Russians...
You should read up on the phenomenon....
I doubt there is much about history you can lecture me on.
The Nazis were "fascist". Russia is "fascist" by its current conduct.
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It's just Russian lies to justify their barbarity. There are no bioweapons or research labs in Ukraine.
Russia has provided no evidence.
The United States hasn't been entirely honest either.
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I doubt there is much about history you can lecture me on.
The Nazis were "fascist". Russia is "fascist" by its current conduct.
Russia isn't fascist.
Learn the word.
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I doubt there is much about history you can lecture me on.
The Nazis were "fascist". Russia is "fascist" by its current conduct.
Russia isn't fascist.
Learn the word.
If it is, so are Canada and Australia.
He doesn't understand the meaning.
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I doubt there is much about history you can lecture me on.
The Nazis were "fascist". Russia is "fascist" by its current conduct.
Russia isn't fascist.
Learn the word.
fascism
făsh′ĭz″əm
noun
A system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator, a capitalist economy subject to stringent governmental controls, violent suppression of the opposition, and typically a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism.
Yes it is.
Learn the word.
The amount of misinformation is enormous these days.
The first video was posted to Twitter by a user called "Breaking Updates," and was supposed to represent Ukrainians fleeing the air strikes.
The second video was added by another user.
https://www.facebook.com/1215249128/videos/pcb.10228907448250374/996481741076492
https://www.facebook.com/1215249128/videos/pcb.10228907448250374/378347357059402
:shock:
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The amount of misinformation is enormous these days.
The first video was posted to Twitter by a user called "Breaking Updates," and was supposed to represent Ukrainians fleeing the air strikes.
The second video was added by another user.
https://www.facebook.com/1215249128/videos/pcb.10228907448250374/996481741076492
https://www.facebook.com/1215249128/videos/pcb.10228907448250374/378347357059402
ac_lmfao
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I doubt there is much about history you can lecture me on.
The Nazis were "fascist". Russia is "fascist" by its current conduct.
Russia isn't fascist.
Learn the word.
fascism
făsh′ĭz″əm
noun
A system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator, a capitalist economy subject to stringent governmental controls, violent suppression of the opposition, and typically a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism.
Yes it is.
Learn the word.
https://youtu.be/1T_98uT1IZs
You're welcome...
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I doubt there is much about history you can lecture me on.
The Nazis were "fascist". Russia is "fascist" by its current conduct.
Russia isn't fascist.
Learn the word.
fascism
făsh′ĭz″əm
noun
A system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator, a capitalist economy subject to stringent governmental controls, violent suppression of the opposition, and typically a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism.
Yes it is.
Learn the word.
https://youtu.be/1T_98uT1IZs
You're welcome...
Where should we go to in this video?
Ideally watch all of it. Or skip to the end.
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Ideally watch all of it. Or skip to the end.
The last minute, the last two minutes?
I see no need to watch a video created by a nobody...certainly not an accredited historian. Here you go again posting interminable videos by inconsequential nobodies to do your arguing for you.
I shall refer back to the actual definition I posted, and ask where Putin's Russia differentiates from the definition provided.
Make your own arguments instead of scouring YouTube looking for answers.
:001_rolleyes:
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Ideally watch all of it. Or skip to the end.
The last minute, the last two minutes?
About 5-10 minutes....
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Ideally watch all of it. Or skip to the end.
The last minute, the last two minutes?
About 5-10 minutes....
I watched from thirty seven on..
Fascism: the ideology of blood and soil......we think with our blood.....we think with our national heritage.
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Ideally watch all of it. Or skip to the end.
The last minute, the last two minutes?
About 5-10 minutes....
I watched from thirty seven on..
Fascism: the ideology of blood and soil......we think with our blood.....we think with our national heritage.
That's part of it. Fascists and communists gain power exploiting grievances.
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Ideally watch all of it. Or skip to the end.
The last minute, the last two minutes?
About 5-10 minutes....
I watched from thirty seven on..
Fascism: the ideology of blood and soil......we think with our blood.....we think with our national heritage.
Yup...
Somebody here posted that Russia under Putin has accepted more immigrants than Canada. I'm pretty sure it was Gaon. He also said Putin gave islam the same special recognition the state church gets. That is what Western progs would do, not a fascist.
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Somebody here posted that Russia under Putin has accepted more immigrants than Canada. I'm pretty sure it was Gaon. He also said Putin gave islam the same special recognition the state church gets. That is what Western progs would do, not a fascist.
Well, firstly, we should always be open minded about claims posted by anyone unsupported by corroboration, even if in good faith.
Secondly, fascism does not exclude religion. The three major fascist nations, Germany, Italy and Spain were largely supported by the Catholic church. There were islamic regions (Chechnya, Armenia) within the Soviet Union.
Hitler welcomed Japan as an Axis ally.
A political ideology will always be flexible enough to do what is expedient for their own interests.
Bill Maher asked the question, "if Putin thought Trump was really that supportive of him, why didn't he invade when Trump was in office?"
Russia has informed the United States that it views convoys carrying weapons to Ukrainian forces are military targets, a top Russian official said on March 12.
"We have warned the U.S. that the U.S.-orchestrated inundation of Ukraine with weapons from some countries is not just a dangerous move, but also an action that makes these convoys legitimate targets," Sergey Ryabkov, Russia's deputy foreign minister, was quoted as saying by state media.
They are legitimate Ukrainian military targets.
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They are legitimate Ukrainian military targets.
Definitely.
The GOP congressman is right. Zelenskyy is a piece of shit.
Rep. Cawthorn Calls Zelensky a 'Thug,' Ukrainian Government 'Incredibly Evil'
https://nypost.com/2022/03/10/rep-madison-cawthorn-slams-zelensky-as-a-thug-ruling-evil-government/
However, Cawthorn has made clear that he does not approve of Russia's actions either.
During the 2019 impeachment proceedings — which culminated with Trump being acquitted in a party-line vote — Rep. Jim Jordan (R-Ohio) said Ukraine was regarded by accounting firm Ernst & Young as "one of the three most corrupt countries on the planet."
Cawthorn linked to a substack article characterizing the Ghost of Kyiv and the survival of Ukrainian troops on Snake Island as instances of Ukrainian disinformation.
"Pray also we are not drawn into conflict based on foreign leaders pushing misinformation," Cawthorn wrote.
NYT journalist wasn't a NYT journalist and was shot in the back of the head by "friendly" Ukrainian fire on the Ukraine side:
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/03/update-american-reporter-brent-renaud-killed-ukrainian-checkpoint-behind-russian-front-likely-friendly-fire-incident/
Like all the other Ukrainians killed by "friendly fire" trying to get past Ukrainian borders and checkpoints.
"American journalist killed by Russian forces near Kyiv was working for Time magazine
Brent Renaud, an American journalist who was killed by Russian forces near Kyiv on Sunday, was working on a TIME Studios project about the global refugee crisis, the magazine confirmed.
"We are devastated by the loss of Brent Renaud. As an award-winning filmmaker and journalist, Brent tackled the toughest stories around the world often alongside his brother Craig Renaud," executives from the magazine said in a statement on Sunday. "It is essential that journalists are able to safely cover this ongoing invasion and humanitarian crisis in Ukraine."
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"American journalist killed by Russian forces near Kyiv was working for Time magazine
Brent Renaud, an American journalist who was killed by Russian forces near Kyiv on Sunday, was working on a TIME Studios project about the global refugee crisis, the magazine confirmed.
"We are devastated by the loss of Brent Renaud. As an award-winning filmmaker and journalist, Brent tackled the toughest stories around the world often alongside his brother Craig Renaud," executives from the magazine said in a statement on Sunday. "It is essential that journalists are able to safely cover this ongoing invasion and humanitarian crisis in Ukraine."
War correspondents are brave people.
Time Studios....not the New York Times (which he was wearing a press pass for at the time and hadn't worked at in many years)....
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War correspondents are brave people.
Many would disagree. They report on war in an attempt to portray themselves as heroic, but there is nothing remotely heroic about writing reports that are often exaggerated, dramatised and biased.
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War correspondents are brave people.
Many would disagree. They report on war in an attempt to portray themselves as heroic, but there is nothing remotely heroic about writing reports that are often exaggerated, dramatised and biased.
I mean the danger factor of being close to the front lines.
Danger manifests many ways in life. We just prioritise and idolise certain dangers over others... often for no reason at all besides our need as humans to find a hero and rank them in a narrative.
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Danger manifests many ways in life. We just prioritise and idolise certain dangers over others... often for no reason at all besides our need as humans to find a hero and rank them in a narrative.
There are levels of danger......driving to work has is hazardous, but not as much as being on the frontlines of a war.
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Danger manifests many ways in life. We just prioritise and idolise certain dangers over others... often for no reason at all besides our need as humans to find a hero and rank them in a narrative.
There are levels of danger......driving to work has is hazardous, but not as much as being on the frontlines of a war.
Being a snake remover in Qld, Vic, or NSW is a risk every time they attend a call.
Not the same level of risk for government authorities... but they make TV shows about the one and not the other....
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Danger manifests many ways in life. We just prioritise and idolise certain dangers over others... often for no reason at all besides our need as humans to find a hero and rank them in a narrative.
There are levels of danger......driving to work has is hazardous, but not as much as being on the frontlines of a war.
Being a snake remover in Qld, Vic, or NSW is a risk every time they attend a call.
Not the same level of risk for government authorities... but they make TV shows about the one and not the other....
I always think of Steve Irwin when I think of people who handle snakes.
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Danger manifests many ways in life. We just prioritise and idolise certain dangers over others... often for no reason at all besides our need as humans to find a hero and rank them in a narrative.
There are levels of danger......driving to work has is hazardous, but not as much as being on the frontlines of a war.
Being a snake remover in Qld, Vic, or NSW is a risk every time they attend a call.
Not the same level of risk for government authorities... but they make TV shows about the one and not the other....
I always think of Steve Irwin when I think of people who handle snakes.
But nobody ever bothers with "a heroic snake catcher is fighting for his/her life in hospital after receiving 3 doses of anti-venom"....
A cop attends a callout and gets shot or beat to a minute of their life.... Shock horror!
A snake catcher gets bit.... "meh... they were crazy...stupid profession to get into"....
But would a cop remove a poisonous snake? Fuck no! They'd say it wasn't in their pay grade and phone the snake catcher.
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Danger manifests many ways in life. We just prioritise and idolise certain dangers over others... often for no reason at all besides our need as humans to find a hero and rank them in a narrative.
There are levels of danger......driving to work has is hazardous, but not as much as being on the frontlines of a war.
Being a snake remover in Qld, Vic, or NSW is a risk every time they attend a call.
Not the same level of risk for government authorities... but they make TV shows about the one and not the other....
I always think of Steve Irwin when I think of people who handle snakes.
But nobody ever bothers with "a heroic snake catcher is fighting for his/her life in hospital after receiving 3 doses of anti-venom"....
A cop attends a callout and gets shot or beat to a minute of their life.... Shock horror!
A snake catcher gets bit.... "meh... they were crazy...stupid profession to get into"....
But would a cop remove a poisonous snake? Fuck no! They'd say it wasn't in their pay grade and phone the snake catcher.
Police are not trained to handle serpents.......I know my brother wasn't.
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I mean the danger factor of being close to the front lines.
They are a special type of egocentric journalists...they love being close to war, as long as they don't get involved. Many become addicted to war and you will see the same journos time and again in different war zones giving their highly dramatic accounts of events.
Ask yourself why a journalist would want to become a professional "war correspondent". It gives them a rush, a sense of heroism and bravado when they are rarely in harms way.
These Ex-army "volunteers"...
Its not really an act of heroism.
They miss the life and are anxious to get to a new battlefield... No matter what the cause is.
I mentioned before that this whole mess has triggered Germany to step up to it's obligations and build a real fighting force
Well, didn't take long to get started with a bang
Germany To Buy 35 Lockheed F-35 Fighter Jets From U.S. Amid Ukraine Crisis (//https)
It will also honor commitments to France and stay in development of a joint Franco-German fighter jet

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Meanwhile ... Canada Will Buy Cool "Fighter Jet Stickers" With Eco-Friendly Adhesive
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I mentioned before that Germany was stepping up to it's obligations and building a real fighting force
Well, didn't take long to get started wit ha bang
Germany To Buy 35 Lockheed F-35 Fighter Jets From U.S. Amid Ukraine Crisis (//https)
It will also honor commitments to France and stay in development of a joint Franco-German fighter jet

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Meanwhile ... Canada Will Buy Cool "Fighter Jet Stickers" With Eco-Friendly Adhesive
Another boon for US military contractors.
We've bought 75!!
Took this at an air show here in 2019.

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We've bought 75!!
Took this at an air show here in 2019.

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They aint cheap either. Now do you see why the military industrial complex is the tail that wags the dog in Washington.
Russia seems to be making more progress lately.
China, India, and Middle East countries are still trading with Russia. More in fact.
No surprise there.
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China, India, and Middle East countries are still trading with Russia. More in fact.
Why shouldn't they. They have nothing to gain from supporting NATO bullshit.
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China, India, and Middle East countries are still trading with Russia. More in fact.
The USA can't force countries to impose sanctions, but they warned China not to provide aid to Russia.
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China, India, and Middle East countries are still trading with Russia. More in fact.
The USA can't force countries to impose sanctions, but they warned China not to provide aid to Russia.
Ya, China is really scared of Jim Crow Joe. :laugh3:
Those F-35's are lemons...
So now you're an aeronautical engineer??
So much expertise in one small package.
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So now you're an aeronautical engineer??
So much expertise in one small package.
No.... but I have followed the F-35 program and it's a common view. They're prone to failures.
https://www.defensenews.com/smr/hidden-troubles-f35/
You stated they are "lemons". Simply because they are, like ALL modern technological military system, suffering teething problems and design issues, they are still superior to any other fighter aircraft in their weight division on the planet.
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You stated they are "lemons". Simply because they are, like ALL modern technological military system, suffering teething problems and design issues, they are still superior to any other fighter aircraft in their weight division on the planet.
Over 800 software bugs which haven't been ironed out in many years, and the mechanical issues are just as deadly. Their guns can destroy the plane itself, and they can't fly at top speeds as designed.... plus a whole slew of other issues.
These jets are lemons.... countries have cancelled orders for them.
Supporting Ukraine is the new "take the vaccine, wear the mask" for the sheeple.
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Supporting Ukraine is the new "take the vaccine, wear the mask" for the sheeple.
That's an interesting comparison Odi.
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Supporting Ukraine is the new "take the vaccine, wear the mask" for the sheeple.
No, not taking the vaccine and not wearing the mask was cool. Supporting Ukraine is cool too.
Fuck Ukraine... their lies and deceits aren't cool.
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Fuck Ukraine... their lies and deceits aren't cool.
Fuck Zelenskyy, not fuck Ukraine.
Bhahahahahahahahaha ac_toofunny
I hope this is true.

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Fuck Ukraine... their lies and deceits aren't cool.
Fuck Zelenskyy, not fuck Ukraine.
Fuck Biden!
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Fuck Ukraine... their lies and deceits aren't cool.
Fuck Zelenskyy, not fuck Ukraine.
Fuck Biden!
Him too.
FUCK TRUDEAU
FUCK ZELENSKYY
FUCK BIDEN
FUCK PUTIN
FUCK XI
Did I forget anybody?
What about the thug that rules Belorussia?
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FUCK TRUDEAU
FUCK ZELENSKYY
FUCK BIDEN
FUCK PUTIN
FUCK XI
Did I forget anybody?
Jussie?
SCOMO?
Macron?
Jabcinda Ardern?
Kim Jong Dan Andrews?
We can all add names to the list.
Damn you need a scorecard to keep track these days... sheesh...
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Damn you need a scorecard to keep track these days... sheesh...
Perhaps you're right Oliver.
I read this morning that Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky said his country has to accept that it will not become a member of the NATO military alliance, a critical Russian concern that was used to justify the invasion.
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I read this morning that Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky said his country has to accept that it will not become a member of the NATO military alliance, a critical Russian concern that was used to justify the invasion.
Good move.
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I read this morning that Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky said his country has to accept that it will not become a member of the NATO military alliance, a critical Russian concern that was used to justify the invasion.
Good move.
He's a known liar and former actor though....
An Ukrainian refugee woman was raped in a refugee-center in Germany.
By two Ukrainian men from Iraq and Nigeria.
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An Ukrainian refugee woman was raped in a refugee-center in Germany.
By two Ukrainian men from Iraq and Nigeria.
I believe it.
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I read this morning that Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky said his country has to accept that it will not become a member of the NATO military alliance, a critical Russian concern that was used to justify the invasion.
Good move.
He's a known liar and former actor though....
Unlike your man Putin, eh, Freud.
Now there's a straight guy with integrity.
Multi billionaire. Opponents gaoled or killed. Backing murderous despots in Syria. Shooting down civilian aircraft and denying it. Genocide in Chechnya. War against Georgia. Seizing Ukraine territory unlawfully.
Say what you will about Ukraine's leadership, but why do you seem to ignore the tyrant that rules Russia. Putin is the biggest asshole in the world.
Vlad gives assholes a bad name
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I read this morning that Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky said his country has to accept that it will not become a member of the NATO military alliance, a critical Russian concern that was used to justify the invasion.
Good move.
He's a known liar and former actor though....
Unlike your man Putin, eh, Freud.
Now there's a straight guy with integrity.
Multi billionaire. Opponents gaoled or killed. Backing murderous despots in Syria. Shooting down civilian aircraft and denying it. Genocide in Chechnya. War against Georgia. Seizing Ukraine territory unlawfully.
Say what you will about Ukraine's leadership, but why do you seem to ignore the tyrant that rules Russia. Putin is the biggest asshole in the world.
Nope, Biden. Trudeau is an asshole wannabe.
I dont think the Russians are targeting civilians on purpose.
Shit like that happens when the enemy combatants are among civilians.
They have to bomb the cities because the cities are fighting back.
Article 28 of the 1949 Geneva Convention IV provides: "The presence of a protected person may not be used to render certain points or areas immune from military operations."
Zelensky and his followers have turned Ukrainian cities/civilian centers into battle areas.
They are military objectives.
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I dont think the Russians are targeting civilians on purpose.
Shit like that happens when the enemy combatants are among civilians.
They have to bomb the cities because the cities are fighting back.
Of course they aint targeting civilians.
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They have to bomb the cities because the cities are fighting back.
Ah, of course. THAT'S the problem. The enemy is shooting at your invading force.
Someone ring Zelensky, quickly, and tell him he's doing it wrong.
I simply don't grasp the love Putin and his mad dogs are getting in this discussion. He's fucking killing people, and some here think that's OK?
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I simply don't grasp the love Putin and his mad dogs are getting in this discussion. He's fucking killing people, and some here think that's OK?
I don't get it either .. I find it baffling.
I greatly respect and accept Herman's points that the place is corrupt
However, Russia attacked a sovereign country & continues to slaughter it and its people.
Like when did that become OK????
I have a somewhat selfish concern.....will China repeat what Russia did and conquer Taiwan.
I understand the Fash. It is a legitimate concern.
Tyranny is tyranny.
It has to be resisted at every turn, or sooner or later it WILL come for you.
Anyone who believes that if Putin absorbs Ukraine back into some form of Soviet Union he will stop there are delusional. A Russian conquest of Ukraine will NOT bring about a more secure and peaceful Europe. It will encourage him to go after Moldavia, Azerbaijan, Estonia...and Poland.
This psychotic warlord needs to be taken down.
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They have to bomb the cities because the cities are fighting back.
Ah, of course. THAT'S the problem. The enemy is shooting at your invading force.
Someone ring Zelensky, quickly, and tell him he's doing it wrong.
I simply don't grasp the love Putin and his mad dogs are getting in this discussion. He's fucking killing people, and some here think that's OK?
I do not "love" Putin. He is the elected leader of a large nation that has been continuously treated like shit by a foe who can't let go of the cold war because it benefits some of their corporations.
I am really pissed off this war is happening. Although I will not miss that corrupt thug Zelenskyy if he is deposed. Biden has been goading Russia since he came to power. Harris demanding NATO fast track Ukraine while in Poland was when Putin finally called the US bluff.
Yeltsin warned the US in the 90's about consequences if former USSR nations became NATO members. Putin looked the other way when Latvia and Lithuania joined NATO. But Georgia and Ukraine, no way.
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I read this morning that Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky said his country has to accept that it will not become a member of the NATO military alliance, a critical Russian concern that was used to justify the invasion.
Good move.
He's a known liar and former actor though....
Unlike your man Putin, eh, Freud.
Now there's a straight guy with integrity.
Multi billionaire. Opponents gaoled or killed. Backing murderous despots in Syria. Shooting down civilian aircraft and denying it. Genocide in Chechnya. War against Georgia. Seizing Ukraine territory unlawfully.
Say what you will about Ukraine's leadership, but why do you seem to ignore the tyrant that rules Russia. Putin is the biggest asshole in the world.
Not my man and your accusations about him are garbage talking points fed to the elderly in mental decline who follow MSM tv and radio stations.
Putin is no saint. No leader is.
Buy you're more of an arsehole than he is.
So, we've just gone through a period where discussions and debates were ruined by personal slurs, and you were one of those crying foul.
Now here you are acting like an infant all over again.
Hypocrisy, thy name is Freud.
You being more of an arsehole than Putin isn't a slur.... it's an observation born out of plenty of study.
And pot-kettle-black at any rate. In the last week you've been regressing and I've let it slide.
Practice what you preach, gramps.
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They have to bomb the cities because the cities are fighting back.
Ah, of course. THAT'S the problem. The enemy is shooting at your invading force.
Someone ring Zelensky, quickly, and tell him he's doing it wrong.
I simply don't grasp the love Putin and his mad dogs are getting in this discussion. He's fucking killing people, and some here think that's OK?
I do not "love" Putin. He is the elected leader of a large nation that has been continuously treated like shit by a foe who can't let go of the cold war because it benefits some of their corporations.
I am really pissed off this war is happening. Although I will not miss that corrupt thug Zelenskyy if he is deposed. Biden has been goading Russia since he came to power. Harris demanding NATO fast track Ukraine while in Poland was when Putin finally called the US bluff.
Yeltsin warned the US in the 90's about consequences if former USSR nations became NATO members. Putin looked the other way when Latvia and Lithuania joined NATO. But Georgia and Ukraine, no way.
Russia is a hard country to govern. Heaven knows the States is one of the main reasons for that.
Putin was cool and admired and he's now despised sewer slime.
Zelenskyy was an unknown and he's now a world wide rock star.
It's all about the optics.
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Putin was cool and admired and he's now despised sewer slime.
Zelenskyy was an unknown and he's now a world wide rock star.
It's all about the optics.
Indeed....
There is SO much propaganda on ALL sides! Hard time trying to figure things out. I've been pretty quiet thus far. But have seen and heard PLENTY.
From what I've heard, I "lean" towards Putin. I have not chosen a "side" though.
So much shit that the "normies/sheep" cant equate into the situation.
When the DemonRats, and the like, say "lets support Ukraine, and if you dont, you're unAmerican!" then I tend to look the other way, and into more details of what is actually going on. And there is a lot.
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There is SO much propaganda on ALL sides! Hard time trying to figure things out. I've been pretty quiet thus far. But have seen and heard PLENTY.
From what I've heard, I "lean" towards Putin. I have not chosen a "side" though.
So much shit that the "normies/sheep" cant equate into the situation.
When the DemonRats, and the like, say "lets support Ukraine, and if you dont, you're unAmerican!" then I tend to look the other way, and into more details of what is actually going on. And there is a lot.
What the democRATs are really saying is let's get Ukraine in NATO so we can sell them military hardware.
Thus starting a major war that depopulates much of the earth because....climate change!
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There is SO much propaganda on ALL sides! Hard time trying to figure things out. I've been pretty quiet thus far. But have seen and heard PLENTY.
From what I've heard, I "lean" towards Putin. I have not chosen a "side" though.
So much shit that the "normies/sheep" cant equate into the situation.
When the DemonRats, and the like, say "lets support Ukraine, and if you dont, you're unAmerican!" then I tend to look the other way, and into more details of what is actually going on. And there is a lot.
What the democRATs are really saying is let's get Ukraine in NATO so we can sell them military hardware.
...and SO much more.
Brother, it dont look good for the US right now. Being involved in Bio Labs and whatnot.
...and so much more. But I wont get into everything, cause of all the propaganda, and I dont want someone saying "SEE, he was WRONG!", when there is so much floating about.
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Thus starting a major war that depopulates much of the earth because....climate change!
I do find it odd, that Russia had 5000 underground bunkers built by 2012 for the citizens of Russia. But the US has zero for the citizens, only for the Elites, which they try and hide. Hell, even the sirens are gone.
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Thus starting a major war that depopulates much of the earth because....climate change!
I do find it odd, that Russia had 5000 underground bunkers built by 2012 for the citizens of Russia. But the US has zero for the citizens, only for the Elites, which they try and hide. Hell, even the sirens are gone.
NATO has been encroaching since the 90's... it's only sane for Russia to prepare.
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There is SO much propaganda on ALL sides! Hard time trying to figure things out. I've been pretty quiet thus far. But have seen and heard PLENTY.
From what I've heard, I "lean" towards Putin. I have not chosen a "side" though.
So much shit that the "normies/sheep" cant equate into the situation.
When the DemonRats, and the like, say "lets support Ukraine, and if you dont, you're unAmerican!" then I tend to look the other way, and into more details of what is actually going on. And there is a lot.
What the democRATs are really saying is let's get Ukraine in NATO so we can sell them military hardware.
...and SO much more.
Brother, it dont look good for the US right now. Being involved in Bio Labs and whatnot.
...and so much more. But I wont get into everything, cause of all the propaganda, and I dont want someone saying "SEE, he was WRONG!", when there is so much floating about.
I'm neutral on the biowarfare labs.....it could be true especially because the USA has a habit of denying their overseas experiments like the lab in Wuhan..
We may never know for sure if the USA has chemical warfare labs abroad.
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Thus starting a major war that depopulates much of the earth because....climate change!
I do find it odd, that Russia had 5000 underground bunkers built by 2012 for the citizens of Russia. But the US has zero for the citizens, only for the Elites, which they try and hide. Hell, even the sirens are gone.
NATO has been encroaching since the 90's... it's only sane for Russia to prepare.
Create fake enemies, start wars, offer membership to losing state, make a killing selling them military hardware. Rinse and repeat.
https://www.bitchute.com/video/JusrVUx4nSG8/
President Biden called Vladimir Putin a war criminal.......he voted for the invasion of Iraq when he was a senator.
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President Biden called Vladimir Putin a war criminal.......he voted for the invasion of Iraq when he was a senator.
Jim Crow Joe as a senator voted for resolutions that supported interventions in Iraq and Yugoslavia (Serbia and Montenegro).
As vice president, he followed the policies of the Obama administration, which included interventions in Syria and Libya.
Jim Crow Joe is a hypocrite.
Sit down Fashionista. It's time we had THE TALK.
You see, when two countries love each other very much, their deep states have these fantasies...
and that's how wars are born.
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Sit down Fashionista. It's time we had THE TALK.
You see, when two countries love each other very much, their deep states have these fantasies...
and that's how wars are born.
Of course.
:laugh:
I do believe Ukrainians and Russians love each other.......they are almost the same.
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Sit down Fashionista. It's time we had THE TALK.
You see, when two countries love each other very much, their deep states have these fantasies...
and that's how wars are born.
Of course.
:laugh:
I do believe Ukrainians and Russians love each other.......they are almost the same.
Love hate I guess. They have been one before. They can make it work together. They can live separately amicably too if it weren't for corrupt sellouts like Zelenskyy.

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Nancy Pelosi standing at the podium... Shaking my head.
That picture is obviously from a secret gathering where they talk to old mefistofeles.
Whatever is trending in Twitter right now.

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Whatever is trending in Twitter right now.

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Bingo.
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Whatever is trending in Twitter right now.

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:laugh:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5wDai9s4Hmc
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5wDai9s4Hmc
Do you like it Blazor?
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Do you like it Blazor?
Yeah! Its a Sea Shanty, I love Shanties.
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Do you like it Blazor?
Yeah! Its a Sea Shanty, I love Shanties.
I sea.
:laugh:
Actual footage in Ukraine right now.....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hzk5Ir37wjM
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Whatever is trending in Twitter right now.

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I don't see the climate emergency on that.
These sanctions are virtue signalling.
https://www.theblaze.com/news/biden-caves-to-russia-on-sanctions-in-new-iran-nuclear-deal-will-enrich-russia-report?utm_source=theblaze-7DayTrendingTest&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Afternoon%20Auto%20Trending%207%20Day%20Engaged%202022-03-17&utm_term=ACTIVE%20LIST%20-%207%20Day%20Engagement
The Biden administration will reportedly lift certain energy sanctions on Russia to comply with the forthcoming renegotiated Iran nuclear deal.
The revived Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action, otherwise known as the Iran nuclear deal, includes American concessions negotiated by the Biden administration that immunize Moscow from certain sanctions deployed on Russia after its invasion of Ukraine, the Washington Free Beacon reported, citing Russian and Iranian documents.
Specifically, the new deal will allow Rosatom, Russia's top state-controlled energy company, to "cash in on a $10 billion contract" to help Tehran expand its Bushehr Nuclear Power Plant, according to the Free Beacon. Bushehr is one of the most controversial nuclear sites in Iran.
Thus, the new JCPOA establishes a "sanctions evasion hub" providing Russian companies with money, essentially counteracting energy sanctions deployed after Russian President Vladimir Putin invaded Ukraine.
A State Department official confirmed to the Free Beacon the U.S. will "not sanction Russian participation in nuclear projects that are part of resuming full implementation of the JCPOA."
Part of me wonders if the Ukraine invasion is really China fighting a proxy war with the West(United States). They have practically colonized the Russian Far East. They are working West towards Moscow.
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Part of me wonders if the Ukraine invasion is really China fighting a proxy war with the West(United States). They have practically colonized the Russian Far East. They are working West towards Moscow.
ac_wot
Moscow has signed agreements that Beijing drafted that essentially makes large portions of Russia a new Chinese province. The CCP has nearly as much influence over Russia as it does North Korea. As Joe Biden would say, no joke.
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Moscow has signed agreements that Beijing drafted that essentially makes large portions of Russia a new Chinese province. The CCP has nearly as much influence over Russia as it does North Korea. As Joe Biden would say, no joke.
This has been going on for twenty five years. It has really been picking up though.
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Moscow has signed agreements that Beijing drafted that essentially makes large portions of Russia a new Chinese province. The CCP has nearly as much influence over Russia as it does North Korea. As Joe Biden would say, no joke.
This has been going on for twenty five years. It has really been picking up though.
When we lived in Kazakhstan, we transited through Moscow from Almaty..
There were so many mainland Chinese in Moscow, especially at the airport..
Many use Russia to enter EU countries illegally.
One possible way out of this would be if Ukraine declared it's neutrality like Finland or Switzerland.
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One possible way out of this would be if Ukraine declared it's neutrality like Finland or Switzerland.
That's always been the only way....
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One possible way out of this would be if Ukraine declared it's neutrality like Finland or Switzerland.
A buffer between Russia and NATO.
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One possible way out of this would be if Ukraine declared it's neutrality like Finland or Switzerland.
A buffer between Russia and NATO.
What NATO initially agreed to but reneged on....
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One possible way out of this would be if Ukraine declared it's neutrality like Finland or Switzerland.
A buffer between Russia and NATO.
Some people think that's what Russia is.......China's buffer with Europe.
Apparently Russia's demands include neutrality, disarmament, and protection of the Russian language.
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Apparently Russia's demands include neutrality, disarmament, and protection of the Russian language.
Disarmament? Make it even easier for Russia to annex more of Ukrainian territory.
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Apparently Russia's demands include neutrality, disarmament, and protection of the Russian language.
Disarmament? Make it even easier for Russia to annex more of Ukrainian territory.
They don't want it.
They don't want NATO to have it, is all...
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Apparently Russia's demands include neutrality, disarmament, and protection of the Russian language.
Disarmament? Make it even easier for Russia to annex more of Ukrainian territory.
They don't want it.
They don't want NATO to have it, is all...
Disarmament is one of Russia's demands.
Apparently some men have asked for single Ukrainian female refugees from the refugee-centers.
:laugh3:
That doesnt sound suspicious at all.
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Apparently some men have asked for single Ukrainian female refugees from the refugee-centers.
:laugh3:
That doesnt sound suspicious at all.
They are filled with Christian charity.
It seems that the Russians are hitting nothing but babies while the Ukrainians are practically winning against the Russians.
Putin is going insane, he has a brain tumor, he only has one testicle and is a freak in the bedroom.
The Russian troops are demoralized because they complain... No soldier has ever complained before.
Finally there is some1 in the media who recognizes that this bullshit is shifting concentration from the real situation.
Quote from: Odinson post_id=444023 time=1647719952 user_id=136
It seems that the Russians are hitting nothing but babies while the Ukrainians are practically winning against the Russians.
Putin is going insane, he has a brain tumor, he only has one testicle and is a freak in the bedroom.
The Russian troops are demoralized because they complain... No soldier has ever complained before.
Finally there is some1 in the media who recognizes that this bullshit is shifting concentration from the real situation.
Smarty.
:laugh:
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It seems that the Russians are hitting nothing but babies while the Ukrainians are practically winning against the Russians.
Putin is going insane, he has a brain tumor, he only has one testicle and is a freak in the bedroom.
The Russian troops are demoralized because they complain... No soldier has ever complained before.
Finally there is some1 in the media who recognizes that this bullshit is shifting concentration from the real situation.
The news is a joke.
Zelenskyy's no fly zone request is asking for WW3.
https://rumble.com/vxptq5-is-zelensky-all-that-ep.-121.html?mref=hsiwx&mc=bb5c8&fbclid=IwAR38v7vwUSL2a0bRh309mu8PcSon8E9g-PQY6kDa08mNA-SxaTdpvJ9UyMA
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Apparently Russia's demands include neutrality, disarmament, and protection of the Russian language.
Disarmament? Make it even easier for Russia to annex more of Ukrainian territory.
They don't want it.
They don't want NATO to have it, is all...
Disarmament is one of Russia's demands.
I don't blame them....
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Zelenskyy's no fly zone request is asking for WW3.
https://rumble.com/vxptq5-is-zelensky-all-that-ep.-121.html?mref=hsiwx&mc=bb5c8&fbclid=IwAR38v7vwUSL2a0bRh309mu8PcSon8E9g-PQY6kDa08mNA-SxaTdpvJ9UyMA
That was non starter.
It looks like Russia is upping the ante with the introduction of hypersonic missiles. Russia has long boasted about its hypersonic weapons arsenal which contains missiles that can evade traditional anti-missile defense systems.
These missiles include the 3M22 Zircon missile which is a low-flying rocket that is able to speed past early detection technologies. It, and other similar weapons in the Russian arsenal, have a range of around 1,000 kilometers.
The speed of the Zircon hypersonic missile is so high that it prevents the opponent's air defense system from detecting its impact in time.
In December, when the missile was being tested, Russian President Vladimir Putin said, "Zircon are our newest missiles fired from the sea at sea targets, and land targets."
Similarly, last-October, the Chinese government launched a nuclear capable hypersonic missile into space that was able to circle the globe without being detected.
Maybe China wants to keep Russia as their ally and a destabilizing factor in the west.
China is not our friend even if they deal with us.
They have lofty plans of making China the center of the planet.
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Maybe China wants to keep Russia as their ally and a destabilizing factor in the west.
China is not our friend even if they deal with us.
They have lofty plans of making China the center of the planet.
China and Russia have a strategic partnership. China gets more out of it as they do with every country including the US.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1505536032535633931
https://twitter.com/i/status/1505536032535633931
https://twitter.com/i/status/1505381245794066433
https://twitter.com/i/status/1505534893798866944
https://twitter.com/i/status/1504596675746271233
https://twitter.com/i/status/1504600740500811782
I would not be surprised that Azov is committing atrocities. Particularly against people they don't like, gay people for example.
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Quote from: Odinson post_id=444095 time=1647812077 user_id=136
Maybe China wants to keep Russia as their ally and a destabilizing factor in the west.
China is not our friend even if they deal with us.
They have lofty plans of making China the center of the planet.
China and Russia have a strategic partnership. China gets more out of it as they do with every country including the US.
China is getting Russia's resources at a big discount like they do with African countries and Venezuela.
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I would not be surprised that Azov is committing atrocities. Particularly against people they don't like, gay people for example.
They hate everybody and they're embedded in the Ukrainian forces. They are suicidal bombers and hope to start WW3.
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I would not be surprised that Azov is committing atrocities. Particularly against people they don't like, gay people for example.
They hate everybody and they're embedded in the Ukrainian forces. They are suicidal bombers and hope to start WW3.
Azov is a volunteer force. It's basically a vigilante organization. Why are they being armed by the Ukrainian military? That is crazy. They could overthrow the government and impose a thuggish regime.
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I would not be surprised that Azov is committing atrocities. Particularly against people they don't like, gay people for example.
They hate everybody and they're embedded in the Ukrainian forces. They are suicidal bombers and hope to start WW3.
Azov is a volunteer force. It's basically a vigilante organization. Why are they being armed by the Ukrainian military? That is crazy. They could overthrow the government and impose a thuggish regime.
Azov's are throughout the entire Ukrainian command structure.
I do believe they are using civilians as human-shields.
Their deaths are a propaganda tool.
Everybody has a car or cars nowadays and it should have been easy to get them out.
The army should force them out if they refuse to leave.
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I do believe they are using civilians as human-shields.
Their deaths are a propaganda tool.
Everybody has a car or cars nowadays and it should have been easy to get them out.
The army should force them out if they refuse to leave.
We probably are getting misleading news from the war.
This is the old Zelensky.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXgli7TpINw
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This is the old Zelensky.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXgli7TpINw
Now he is a darling of North American white libtards.
Zelenskyy would fit in perfectly in North American political circles-he watrned that if Putin refuses to meet him face to face it will lead to WW3.
Remember that whole Gulf war talking point...
Something about Saddams troops going into a maternity hospital and killing babies in incubators.
A young girl was a witness to that.
Turned out it wasnt true... And the witness was some Kuwaiti ambassadors daughter.
Russians are lean, mean baby-killing machines now.
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Remember that whole Gulf war talking point...
Something about Saddams troops going into a maternity hospital and killing babies in incubators.
A young girl was a witness to that.
Turned out it wasnt true... And the witness was some Kuwaiti ambassadors daughter.
Russians are lean, mean baby-killing machines now.
I don't remember that, but I know there was a lot of bullshit. I aint believing the American media about this conflict either.

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:laugh:
Jim Crow Joe called Biden a war criminal. American hypocrisy is laughable.

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The Biden crime family has extensive business interests in Ukraine with ties to the Ukrainian president. It's a conflict of interest for the US to be helping him.
NATO estimated on Wednesday that 7,000 to 15,000 Russian soldiers have been killed in four weeks of war in Ukraine.
This article that appeared in Rebel News highlights how the legacy media just 2 years ago portrayed Ukraine as a bastion of corruption and facsism is now making that country look like an exemplary democracy.
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Joe Rogan questions the media's evolving narrative on Ukraine
From a highly corrupt nation with a significant influence from far-right political parties to a bastion of Western liberal democracy, the legacy media's reporting on Ukraine has evolved in recent times.
Popular podcaster Joe Rogan has become the latest prominent voice to speak out against the "Russia bad, Ukraine good" narrative, pointing out that the media has done a complete reversal on its reporting on Ukraine, which it previously reported as corrupt in every level of its government.
As detailed by the New York Times in 2017, "Virulent right-wing nationalist groups have found new prominence in Ukrainian politics in recent years. Although extremist political parties make up only a small minority of Parliament, far-right groups have violently clashed with the government on a number of occasions."
The article detailed how neo-Nazis have repeatedly desecrated Ukraine's Holocaust monuments and sites as historical revisionism of the country's racist past has ramped up to whitewash Ukraine's collaboration with the Nazis in the Second World War and the actions of contemporary neo-Nazis.
Rogan's criticism of the media draws upon extensive journalistic investigations into Ukraine's politics over the past decade, which have been seemingly ignored in favour of a new narrative, casting Ukraine as liberal democracy akin to its western neighbours.
"I have this screenshot that someone sent me," Rogan said, "about the way the people on the left were talking about the Ukraine situation before the war."
"This is one of the things that's so weird is that they were very disparaging of Ukraine, and they were talking about the massive corruption of Ukraine, and how horrible it was over there," he added.
"And now, all of a sudden, they're looking at it like they're heroes. The same exact people. This is what's confusing," said Rogan, who read out points from the screenshot, declaring Ukraine "the most corrupt nation in Europe," with an "increasingly corrupt and authoritarian leader" seeking to deepen an "alliance with the far-right."
The articles in question were sourced to the World Socialist Web Site, the Cato Institute, and Kiev-based publication Ukrainian Independent Information Agency (UNIAN).
"We're supposed to just veer away from the narrative that was being pushed just a couple years ago," said the podcaster.
In addition to criticizing the media for shifting its narrative on Ukraine, Rogan slammed Big Tech companies like Facebook and other social media platforms for allowing violent rhetoric against Russians.
https://www.rebelnews.com/joe_rogan_questions_the_medias_evolving_narrative_on_ukraine?fbclid=IwAR3JQfOO4nZR-BouTAPrqlbYLqqVWHy8x_LKBreoSsKUYt_cdO41r5FWhRk
Life aint a joke Zekenskyy.
[media]https://www.facebook.com/watch?v=499005048276914[/media]
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No.
I'm listening to rebel radio. https://www.rebel1017.com/player/?playerID=1832
I can see the video. Me Zelensky became president because he couldn't earn a living as a dancer.
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Life aint a joke Zekenskyy.
[media]https://www.facebook.com/watch?v=499005048276914[/media]
Does the last place finisher of Ukraine Has Got Talent become president as a consolation prize.
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China's state-run Sinopec Group has suspended talks for a major petrochemical investment and a gas marketing venture in Russia, sources told Reuters, heeding a government call for caution as sanctions mount over the invasion of Ukraine.
The move by Asia's biggest oil refiner to hit the brakes on a potentially half-billion-dollar investment in a gas chemical plant and a venture to market Russian gas in China highlights the risks, even to Russia's most important diplomatic partner, of unexpectedly heavy Western-led sanctions.
Beijing has repeatedly voiced opposition to the sanctions, insisting it will maintain normal economic and trade exchanges with Russia, and has refused to condemn Moscow's actions in Ukraine or call them an invasion.
It looks like the invasion of all of Ukraine is coming to an end. Moscow is concentrating on face saving.
Russia states more limited war goal to 'liberate' Donbass
-Military official says focus is on breakaway eastern regions
-Russia says Ukraine's combat potential 'considerably reduced'
-Russia says 1,351 soldiers dead, Ukraine says real number higher
LONDON, March 25 (Reuters) - In a scaled-back formulation of its war goals, Russia said on Friday that the first phase of its military operation was mostly complete and it would focus on completely "liberating" Ukraine's breakaway eastern Donbass region.
The announcement appeared to indicate that Moscow may be switching to more limited objectives after running into fierce Ukrainian resistance in a month of war.
The defence ministry said Russian-backed separatists now controlled 93% of Ukraine's Luhansk region and 54% of the Donetsk region. They jointly make up the Donbass.
"The main objectives of the first stage of the operation have generally been accomplished," Sergei Rudskoi, head of the Russian General Staff's Main Operational Directorate, said in a speech.
"The combat potential of the Armed Forces of Ukraine has been considerably reduced, which ... makes it possible to focus our core efforts on achieving the main goal, the liberation of Donbass."
A senior diplomatic source in Moscow described it as a face-saving move and possible prelude to a climb-down by Russia. Its forces have become bogged down and failed to take any major city since invading Ukraine from the north, east and south on Feb. 24.
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russia-says-first-phase-ukraine-operation-mostly-complete-focus-now-donbass-2022-03-25/
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It looks like the invasion of all of Ukraine is coming to an end. Moscow is concentrating on face saving.
Russia states more limited war goal to 'liberate' Donbass
-Military official says focus is on breakaway eastern regions
-Russia says Ukraine's combat potential 'considerably reduced'
-Russia says 1,351 soldiers dead, Ukraine says real number higher
LONDON, March 25 (Reuters) - In a scaled-back formulation of its war goals, Russia said on Friday that the first phase of its military operation was mostly complete and it would focus on completely "liberating" Ukraine's breakaway eastern Donbass region.
The announcement appeared to indicate that Moscow may be switching to more limited objectives after running into fierce Ukrainian resistance in a month of war.
The defence ministry said Russian-backed separatists now controlled 93% of Ukraine's Luhansk region and 54% of the Donetsk region. They jointly make up the Donbass.
"The main objectives of the first stage of the operation have generally been accomplished," Sergei Rudskoi, head of the Russian General Staff's Main Operational Directorate, said in a speech.
"The combat potential of the Armed Forces of Ukraine has been considerably reduced, which ... makes it possible to focus our core efforts on achieving the main goal, the liberation of Donbass."
A senior diplomatic source in Moscow described it as a face-saving move and possible prelude to a climb-down by Russia. Its forces have become bogged down and failed to take any major city since invading Ukraine from the north, east and south on Feb. 24.
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russia-says-first-phase-ukraine-operation-mostly-complete-focus-now-donbass-2022-03-25/
I could see this coming three weeks ago. Get a real commitment to neutrality out of it would be second best. The best would have been that Zelenskyy piece of shit out of the frickin Ukraine.
Ukraine's armed forces are retaking towns around Kyiv.
Russia really held back. They were so careful to prevent civilian casualties, they put their own soldiers at risk.
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It looks like the invasion of all of Ukraine is coming to an end. Moscow is concentrating on face saving.
Russia states more limited war goal to 'liberate' Donbass
-Military official says focus is on breakaway eastern regions
-Russia says Ukraine's combat potential 'considerably reduced'
-Russia says 1,351 soldiers dead, Ukraine says real number higher
LONDON, March 25 (Reuters) - In a scaled-back formulation of its war goals, Russia said on Friday that the first phase of its military operation was mostly complete and it would focus on completely "liberating" Ukraine's breakaway eastern Donbass region.
The announcement appeared to indicate that Moscow may be switching to more limited objectives after running into fierce Ukrainian resistance in a month of war.
The defence ministry said Russian-backed separatists now controlled 93% of Ukraine's Luhansk region and 54% of the Donetsk region. They jointly make up the Donbass.
"The main objectives of the first stage of the operation have generally been accomplished," Sergei Rudskoi, head of the Russian General Staff's Main Operational Directorate, said in a speech.
"The combat potential of the Armed Forces of Ukraine has been considerably reduced, which ... makes it possible to focus our core efforts on achieving the main goal, the liberation of Donbass."
A senior diplomatic source in Moscow described it as a face-saving move and possible prelude to a climb-down by Russia. Its forces have become bogged down and failed to take any major city since invading Ukraine from the north, east and south on Feb. 24.
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russia-says-first-phase-ukraine-operation-mostly-complete-focus-now-donbass-2022-03-25/
This is humiliating for Russia.
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Quote from: seoulbro post_id=444770 time=1648306348 user_id=114
It looks like the invasion of all of Ukraine is coming to an end. Moscow is concentrating on face saving.
Russia states more limited war goal to 'liberate' Donbass
-Military official says focus is on breakaway eastern regions
-Russia says Ukraine's combat potential 'considerably reduced'
-Russia says 1,351 soldiers dead, Ukraine says real number higher
LONDON, March 25 (Reuters) - In a scaled-back formulation of its war goals, Russia said on Friday that the first phase of its military operation was mostly complete and it would focus on completely "liberating" Ukraine's breakaway eastern Donbass region.
The announcement appeared to indicate that Moscow may be switching to more limited objectives after running into fierce Ukrainian resistance in a month of war.
The defence ministry said Russian-backed separatists now controlled 93% of Ukraine's Luhansk region and 54% of the Donetsk region. They jointly make up the Donbass.
"The main objectives of the first stage of the operation have generally been accomplished," Sergei Rudskoi, head of the Russian General Staff's Main Operational Directorate, said in a speech.
"The combat potential of the Armed Forces of Ukraine has been considerably reduced, which ... makes it possible to focus our core efforts on achieving the main goal, the liberation of Donbass."
A senior diplomatic source in Moscow described it as a face-saving move and possible prelude to a climb-down by Russia. Its forces have become bogged down and failed to take any major city since invading Ukraine from the north, east and south on Feb. 24.
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russia-says-first-phase-ukraine-operation-mostly-complete-focus-now-donbass-2022-03-25/
This is humiliating for Russia.
How so?
Because the MSM BS artists say so?
Zelensky looks like he is in front of a green screen in near all his videos.
It might be due to the artificial lighting sort of separating him from the background.
There is also this weird echo no matter where he is at.
In his office, on the street etc. the same echo.
Then again the echo is gone in some of his videos where he actually does look like he is on the streets.
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Zelensky looks like he is in front of a green screen in near all his videos.
It might be due to the artificial lighting sort of separating him from the background.
There is also this weird echo no matter where he is at.
In his office, on the street etc. the same echo.
Then again the echo is gone in some of his videos where he actually does look like he is on the streets.
Zelensky is a moronic actor.... his pleas and statements would start a ww3 if other globalists and global hopefuls didn't pull back their rabid actor dog...
Hey Gaon.
If somebody nukes Israel, is Israel gonna become Wasrael?
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Hey Gaon.
If somebody nukes Israel, is Israel gonna become Wasrael?
I'd guess that if any country even thought of nuking Israel they will become the Was whatever.
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Hey Gaon.
If somebody nukes Israel, is Israel gonna become Wasrael?
I'd guess that if any country even thought of nuking Israel they will become the Was whatever.
Good point. No one knows how many nukes Israel has, but there are quite a few
That combined with their being light years ahead technologically, an offender would pay dearly
I heard they could have three hundred nuclear missiles.
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I heard they could have three hundred nuclear missiles.
That makes sense. Stories had it they had 150 - 200 about 15 years ago
and take it to the bank the newer ones are better in every way .. some of the newer technology also improving the older ones
Anyone shooting a nuke at them, or even massive attach will regret it .. if they are still alive
Command and control would numero uno on their agenda and more might not be needed
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I heard they could have three hundred nuclear missiles.
That makes sense. Stories had it they had 150 - 200 about 15 years ago
and take it to the bank the newer ones are better in every way .. some of the newer technology also improving the older ones
Anyone shooting a nuke at them, or even massive attach will regret it .. if they are still alive
Command and control would numero uno on their agenda and more might not be needed
Not a smart move threatening Israel.
Zoom in on firefighter on the right side in "Ukraine."
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An Alberta city
Quote from: Herman post_id=444868 time=1648429695 user_id=1689
Zoom in on firefighter on the right side in "Ukraine."
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CNN fibbed.
:swoon:
Will Russia annex Donbas?
Wrong thread.
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Will Russia annex Donbas?
Wrong thread.
There you go IHJ.
Quote from: Herman post_id=444868 time=1648429695 user_id=1689
Zoom in on firefighter on the right side in "Ukraine."
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ac_toofunny
Quote from: Herman post_id=444868 time=1648429695 user_id=1689
Zoom in on firefighter on the right side in "Ukraine."
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Are you surprised?
This is what the MSM does.... from covid reporting to potential nuclear volleys.
It looks photoshopped and sent around social media.
Quote from: seoulbro post_id=444970 time=1648555488 user_id=114
It looks photoshopped and sent around social media.
Most of the reporting coming from Ukrainian sources..
Quote from: seoulbro post_id=444970 time=1648555488 user_id=114
It looks photoshopped and sent around social media.
Could be, who knows.
Russian and Ukrainian negotiators have ended the first direct talks in more than two weeks in Istanbul, with Moscow saying it was ready to "fundamentally cut back" military activity near the Ukrainian capital of Kyiv and the northern city of Chernihiv.
So what were the Biden crime family and the Peter Daszak-EcoHealth-Fauci war criminals doing in Ukraine. Were they going to release chemical weapons on the Russian population? Don't expect the corrupt mainstream media to touch this.
Hunter Biden's role in Ukrainian biolabs raises serious questions about gain of function and Ukraine policy
https://www.theblaze.com/op-ed/horowitz-hunter-bidens-role-in-ukrainian-biolabs-raises-serious-questions-about-gain-of-function-and-ukraine-policy?utm_source=theblaze-breaking&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=20220330Trending-HunterUkraineBiolabs&utm_term=ACTIVE%20LIST%20-%20TheBlaze%20Breaking%20News
Recent emails unearthed by the U.K. Daily Mail and the National Pulse reveal that during the last decade, Hunter Biden seemed to have a keen interest in pathogen research in Ukraine and using it as a tool for geopolitical affairs in that country. It just so happens to be that a pathogen connected to gain-of-function research destroyed the world, and then the next "big current thing" on the geopolitical stage was none other than Ukraine. Shouldn't the American people get some answers as to why our government was so heavily involved – via the vice president's son – in both pathogen research and Ukraine and to make sure Ukraine is not Wuhan 2.0?
Earlier this month, I detailed the known connections between biotech firm Metabiota Inc., responsible for the pathogen research in Ukraine, the DOD, and EcoHealth Alliance, along with the Wuhan lab most likely responsible for the leak of SARS-CoV-2. I also noted that Rosemont Seneca Technology Partners (RSTP), a subsidiary of the Hunter Biden and Christopher Heinz-founded Rosemont Capital, gave Metabiota, a company accused of dangerous lab protocols during the African Ebola pandemic, its first infusion of cash a decade ago. Now, new emails from Hunter's laptop demonstrate that his involvement in Metabiota and pathogen research in Ukraine was much deeper than just an initial investment.
On April 4, 2014, Metabiota vice president Mary Guttieri wrote an email to the younger Biden outlining how they could "assert Ukraine's cultural and economic independence from Russia'" with their joint venture, according to an email from Hunter's laptop obtained by the U.K. Daily Mail. That is quite a curious goal for a company that supposedly does scientific research and analysis about emerging pandemics.
The outlet also posted another email dated April 8, 2014, from Burisma executive Vadym Pozharskyi referring to a "science project" Hunter had pitched to him involving Burisma and Metabiota in Ukraine. "Please find few initial points to be discussed for the purposes of analyzing the potential of this as you called, 'Science Ukraine' project," Pozharskyi wrote. Hunter sits on the board of Burisma, a Ukrainian gas company owned by corrupt billionaire Mikolay Zlochevsky, who fled to Monaco after he was put under investigation.
Hunter's dad, as vice president, was in charge of our foreign policy with Ukraine in 2014 when all of this was occurring and when the U.S. government was backing the color revolution that led to the ouster of the pro-Russian Viktor Yanukovych. It was at this time that the Defense Department began funding the Metabiota operations in Ukraine.
After receiving 18.4 million from the U.S. Defense Threat Reduction Agency (DTRA) between February 2014 and November 2016, with $307,091 earmarked for "Ukraine research projects," "Metabiota has worked in Ukraine for Black & Veatch, a US defense contractor with deep ties to military intelligence agencies, which built secure labs in Ukraine that analyzed killer diseases and bioweapons," according to the Daily Mail.
"It raises the question, what is the real purpose of this venture? It's very odd," said former senior CIA officer Sam Faddis in an interview with the Daily Mail. "His father was the Vice President of the United States and in charge of relations with Ukraine. So why was Hunter not only on the board of a suspect Ukrainian gas firm, but also hooked them up with a company working on bioweapons research?"
The National Pulse cites a 2019 paper authored by researchers from Metabiota and three Ukraine-based institutes and funded by the U.S. Defense Threat Reduction Agency sharing how they isolated a form of African swine flu using a pig from Ukraine in 2016. They also detail their research on Anthrax in animals in Ukraine.
Well, where else have we heard of Metabiota partners working on gain-of-function research of pathogens that typically are in animals? Oh yes, EcoHealth Alliance in Wuhan. In the past, Metabiota has worked with EcoHealth and the Wuhan Institute of Virology. The zoonotic projects being described in Ukraine sound awfully similar to the gain-of-function work EcoHealth was involved with in Wuhan. In Feb. 2016, EcoHealth's founder, Peter Daszak, explained the company's zoonotic pathogen work as follows:
So as an example, first of all, we are only looking at viral families that include those that have gone into people from animals. So we narrow it down straight away. Then when you get a sequence of a virus and it looks like a relative of a known nasty pathogen, just like we did with SARS, we found other Corona viruses in bats, a whole host of them, some of them looked very similar to SARS. So we sequenced the spike protein, the protein that attaches to cells. Then we, well, I didn't do this work, but my colleagues in China did the work, you create the pseudo-particles, you insert the spike proteins from those viruses [to see if they] bind to human cells. And each step you move closer and closer to this virus could really become pathogenic in people. So you narrow down the field, you reduce the cost and you end up with a small number of viruses that really do look like killers.
How did they know? And doesn't anyone have a concern that the same players were up to no good in Ukraine, especially given Hunter Biden's ethical problems and the fact that his dad, the vice president and now the president, was overseeing Ukrainian affairs during that time?
If we didn't have a pandemic likely created by similar research – possibly by the same players – killing millions globally and injuring tens of millions of others, I wouldn't be too concerned with these research projects in Ukraine. But given what has occurred, why is there zero concern from the media or the politicians about what we have been doing in Ukraine and elsewhere? And how does it shape our entire geopolitical worldview on the Russian-Ukrainian conflict? Inquiring minds would like to know.
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So what did the Biden crime family and the Peter Daszak-EcoHealth-Fauci war criminals doing in Ukraine. Were they going to release chemical weapons on the Russian population? Don't expect the corrupt mainstream media to touch this.
Hunter Biden's role in Ukrainian biolabs raises serious questions about gain of function and Ukraine policy
https://www.theblaze.com/op-ed/horowitz-hunter-bidens-role-in-ukrainian-biolabs-raises-serious-questions-about-gain-of-function-and-ukraine-policy?utm_source=theblaze-breaking&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=20220330Trending-HunterUkraineBiolabs&utm_term=ACTIVE%20LIST%20-%20TheBlaze%20Breaking%20News
Recent emails unearthed by the U.K. Daily Mail and the National Pulse reveal that during the last decade, Hunter Biden seemed to have a keen interest in pathogen research in Ukraine and using it as a tool for geopolitical affairs in that country. It just so happens to be that a pathogen connected to gain-of-function research destroyed the world, and then the next "big current thing" on the geopolitical stage was none other than Ukraine. Shouldn't the American people get some answers as to why our government was so heavily involved – via the vice president's son – in both pathogen research and Ukraine and to make sure Ukraine is not Wuhan 2.0?
Earlier this month, I detailed the known connections between biotech firm Metabiota Inc., responsible for the pathogen research in Ukraine, the DOD, and EcoHealth Alliance, along with the Wuhan lab most likely responsible for the leak of SARS-CoV-2. I also noted that Rosemont Seneca Technology Partners (RSTP), a subsidiary of the Hunter Biden and Christopher Heinz-founded Rosemont Capital, gave Metabiota, a company accused of dangerous lab protocols during the African Ebola pandemic, its first infusion of cash a decade ago. Now, new emails from Hunter's laptop demonstrate that his involvement in Metabiota and pathogen research in Ukraine was much deeper than just an initial investment.
On April 4, 2014, Metabiota vice president Mary Guttieri wrote an email to the younger Biden outlining how they could "assert Ukraine's cultural and economic independence from Russia'" with their joint venture, according to an email from Hunter's laptop obtained by the U.K. Daily Mail. That is quite a curious goal for a company that supposedly does scientific research and analysis about emerging pandemics.
The outlet also posted another email dated April 8, 2014, from Burisma executive Vadym Pozharskyi referring to a "science project" Hunter had pitched to him involving Burisma and Metabiota in Ukraine. "Please find few initial points to be discussed for the purposes of analyzing the potential of this as you called, 'Science Ukraine' project," Pozharskyi wrote. Hunter sits on the board of Burisma, a Ukrainian gas company owned by corrupt billionaire Mikolay Zlochevsky, who fled to Monaco after he was put under investigation.
Hunter's dad, as vice president, was in charge of our foreign policy with Ukraine in 2014 when all of this was occurring and when the U.S. government was backing the color revolution that led to the ouster of the pro-Russian Viktor Yanukovych. It was at this time that the Defense Department began funding the Metabiota operations in Ukraine.
After receiving 18.4 million from the U.S. Defense Threat Reduction Agency (DTRA) between February 2014 and November 2016, with $307,091 earmarked for "Ukraine research projects," "Metabiota has worked in Ukraine for Black & Veatch, a US defense contractor with deep ties to military intelligence agencies, which built secure labs in Ukraine that analyzed killer diseases and bioweapons," according to the Daily Mail.
"It raises the question, what is the real purpose of this venture? It's very odd," said former senior CIA officer Sam Faddis in an interview with the Daily Mail. "His father was the Vice President of the United States and in charge of relations with Ukraine. So why was Hunter not only on the board of a suspect Ukrainian gas firm, but also hooked them up with a company working on bioweapons research?"
The National Pulse cites a 2019 paper authored by researchers from Metabiota and three Ukraine-based institutes and funded by the U.S. Defense Threat Reduction Agency sharing how they isolated a form of African swine flu using a pig from Ukraine in 2016. They also detail their research on Anthrax in animals in Ukraine.
Well, where else have we heard of Metabiota partners working on gain-of-function research of pathogens that typically are in animals? Oh yes, EcoHealth Alliance in Wuhan. In the past, Metabiota has worked with EcoHealth and the Wuhan Institute of Virology. The zoonotic projects being described in Ukraine sound awfully similar to the gain-of-function work EcoHealth was involved with in Wuhan. In Feb. 2016, EcoHealth's founder, Peter Daszak, explained the company's zoonotic pathogen work as follows:
So as an example, first of all, we are only looking at viral families that include those that have gone into people from animals. So we narrow it down straight away. Then when you get a sequence of a virus and it looks like a relative of a known nasty pathogen, just like we did with SARS, we found other Corona viruses in bats, a whole host of them, some of them looked very similar to SARS. So we sequenced the spike protein, the protein that attaches to cells. Then we, well, I didn't do this work, but my colleagues in China did the work, you create the pseudo-particles, you insert the spike proteins from those viruses [to see if they] bind to human cells. And each step you move closer and closer to this virus could really become pathogenic in people. So you narrow down the field, you reduce the cost and you end up with a small number of viruses that really do look like killers.
How did they know? And doesn't anyone have a concern that the same players were up to no good in Ukraine, especially given Hunter Biden's ethical problems and the fact that his dad, the vice president and now the president, was overseeing Ukrainian affairs during that time?
If we didn't have a pandemic likely created by similar research – possibly by the same players – killing millions globally and injuring tens of millions of others, I wouldn't be too concerned with these research projects in Ukraine. But given what has occurred, why is there zero concern from the media or the politicians about what we have been doing in Ukraine and elsewhere? And how does it shape our entire geopolitical worldview on the Russian-Ukrainian conflict? Inquiring minds would like to know.
It also adds credibility to Russia's claim that the US had biological weapons labs in Ukraine.
I hate Zelenskyy. I wanted the Russians to force him into exile, never to return to Ukraine.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LL9g1ayLt0I
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LL9g1ayLt0I
:laugh:
A Russian fuel depot not far from the Ukrainian border has exploded and Russian officials say Ukrainian forces used helicopters to attack the facility across the border.
The recent financial sanctions imposed on Russia for its invasion of Ukraine are threatening to weaken the dominance of the U.S. petrodollar as the world currency, said First Deputy Managing Director Gita Gopinath of the International Monetary Fund (IMF) to The Financial Times.
The entire Kiev region is back under Ukrainian control.
Zelenskyy is a puppet of the USA and NATO. The learned actor is playing the biggest role of his life right now. He also knows it's his last. As a routine prop and scene skipper, he shoots all videos in the same place with changing background and changing clothes depending on the contents and addresses of his messages. The former comedian may sometimes giggle inside himself at the idea of being able to bring down one the world's nuclear powers.
The Russians are regrouping..
Instead of being scattered, they are now gonna be more concentrated.
They will be able to supply their troops better.
They havent been able to secure their back and the supply-lines have been attacked because of this.
Quote from: Odinson post_id=445429 time=1648950787 user_id=136
The Russians are regrouping..
Instead of being scattered, they are now gonna be more concentrated.
They will be able to supply their troops better.
They havent been able to secure their back and the supply-lines have been attacked because of this.
Yep, the South and the East.
Quote from: Odinson post_id=445429 time=1648950787 user_id=136
The Russians are regrouping..
Instead of being scattered, they are now gonna be more concentrated.
They will be able to supply their troops better.
They havent been able to secure their back and the supply-lines have been attacked because of this.
The mission has changed. It seems now they want to divide the country.
The Russians located the foreign volunteer training camp because the twitter volunteers posted pictures in their social media.
I swear the IQ just keeps on dropping with each generation.
"OOOOooOO look at me, I´m saving Ukraine".
"OOOOooOO look at me, I got greased in an air-strike".
Quote from: Odinson post_id=445469 time=1649003357 user_id=136
The Russians located the foreign volunteer training camp because the twitter volunteers posted pictures in their social media.
I swear the IQ just keeps on dropping with each generation.
"OOOOooOO look at me, I´m saving Ukraine".
"OOOOooOO look at me, I got greased in an air-strike".
ac_toofunny
Aint this interesting.
Rand Paul Wants Probe Into Russian Collusion With US 'Green Alarmists'
https://climatechangedispatch.com/sen-paul-wants-probe-into-russian-collusion-with-us-green-alarmists/?fbclid=IwAR3oSFtDa34RnBOFfGqNjYKImM-l_52XKcEuEaynX-NHSZbjyxztsyiFxZQ
There are "no offensive biologic weapons" in the Ukrainian laboratories that the United States has been funding, a Pentagon official told Congress on April 1.
Deborah Rosenbaum, assistant secretary of defense for nuclear, chemical, and biological defense programs, told the House Subcommittee on Intelligence and Special Operations on April 1 that there are "unequivocally ... no offensive biologic weapons in the Ukraine laboratories that the United States has been involved with."
Does anybody believe them?
A senior Russian government official has threatened to limit exports of agriculture products to "friendly" countries only amid sanctions from Western nations in response to its invasion of Ukraine. See what these Western sanctions have done.
Russia is turning to microchip manufactures in China to circumvent western sanctions which have boosted demand for bank cards linked to the Mir payment system.

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lol
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lol
Ukraine is unlikely to resort to military means to take back Donbass and Crimea in the short term, Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy said on Tuesday.

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:laugh:
According to western media and liberal drones.
Russians:

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Ukrainians:

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The media.
NLAWS and Javelins... They are for sissy girls.
This here is a real mans AT weapon.

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According to western media and liberal drones.
Russians:

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Ukrainians:

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Which one of those Ukraoinians is Herman?
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Quote from: Odinson post_id=446283 time=1649538105 user_id=136
According to western media and liberal drones.
Russians:

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Ukrainians:

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Which one of those Ukraoinians is Herman?
He is the girl on the left.

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A recent history lesson. :laugh3:
Ukrainians: Slava Ukraini!
Tank: Slava... Rossija!
https://www.bitchute.com/video/HI7dz5gotwSQ/
Ukraine on Ukraine incompetence...again
Russia will have more success now that they are focused on Donbas.
The Russian military said on April 11 that it destroyed S-300 air defense missile systems provided by an unidentified European state to Ukraine's military.
The Russian Defense Ministry said it struck a hangar "on the southern outskirts of the city of Dnepropetrovsk" that housed "equipment from an S-300 battery supplied to the Ukrainian regime by one of the European nations," according to state-run media.
The Russian military used Kalibr cruise missiles to carry out the attack, he said.
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The Russian military said on April 11 that it destroyed S-300 air defense missile systems provided by an unidentified European state to Ukraine's military.
The Russian Defense Ministry said it struck a hangar "on the southern outskirts of the city of Dnepropetrovsk" that housed "equipment from an S-300 battery supplied to the Ukrainian regime by one of the European nations," according to state-run media.
The Russian military used Kalibr cruise missiles to carry out the attack, he said.
I still say they won't annex Donbas.
Fuck, I wish Trump had pulled the US from the North Atlantic Terrorist Organization. However, Biden like the good little Washington corporate shill he is, would've brought the US back in.
Quote from: "Shen Li" post_id=446948 time=1650056343 user_id=56
Fuck, I wish Trump had pulled the US from the North Atlantic Terrorist Organization. However, Biden like the good little Washington corporate shill he is, would've brought the US back in.
The military industrial complex would have deliberately sabotaged his presidency with a man made crisis and put Trump's fingerprints on it rather than lose the lucrative NATO market.
Fuck Russia.
They are worse than evil. I hope every one of them drops dead.
Bomb the Kremlin.
Quote from: caskur post_id=446993 time=1650090812 user_id=2156
Fuck Russia.
They are worse than evil. I hope every one of them drops dead.
Bomb the Kremlin.
Hello caskur, have you been watching the ABC?
Quote from: caskur post_id=446993 time=1650090812 user_id=2156
Fuck Russia.
They are worse than evil. I hope every one of them drops dead.
Bomb the Kremlin.
I gather you believe the media narrative that NATO bears no responsibility for the events that have transpired in formerly communist nations of Europe since the downfall of scientific socialism?
Quote from: caskur post_id=446993 time=1650090812 user_id=2156
Fuck Russia.
They are worse than evil. I hope every one of them drops dead.
Bomb the Kremlin.
I might have known the fat old white imbecile believes word for word what the Western corporate propaganda media machine stuffs down her gullet just like the whale did with lockdowns. This is why the West is in decline. White people lack the ability to think.
Quote from: "Shen Li" post_id=447008 time=1650121570 user_id=56
Quote from: caskur post_id=446993 time=1650090812 user_id=2156
Fuck Russia.
They are worse than evil. I hope every one of them drops dead.
Bomb the Kremlin.
I might have known the fat old white imbecile believes word for word what the Western corporate propaganda media machine stuffs down her gullet just like the whale did with lockdowns. This is why the West is in decline. White people lack the ability to think.
:thumbup:
Quote from: caskur post_id=446993 time=1650090812 user_id=2156
Fuck Russia.
They are worse than evil. I hope every one of them drops dead.
Bomb the Kremlin.
NATO and the American industrial military complex don't want to bomb Russia. They want to sell them expensive military hardware like they do to every country after they instigate a war and collect the spoils.
It was supposedly two Ukrainian Neptune missiles that sunk Russia's Moskva warship about 100 kms off the coast of Odessa. The missile strike allegedly caused a major explosion that ultimately sank the large cruiser.
Quote from: Herman post_id=447052 time=1650155487 user_id=1689
It was supposedly two Ukrainian Neptune missiles that sunk Russia's Moskva warship about 100 kms off the coast of Odessa. The missile strike allegedly caused a major explosion that ultimately sank the large cruiser.
Russia had a major symbolic victory the week before. It was a missile strike I believe. But, however it ends, I hope it ends soon. And I hope the West comes to it's senses and ends these sanctions that are lowering global economic growth.
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Fuck Russia.
They are worse than evil. I hope every one of them drops dead.
Bomb the Kremlin.
I might have known the fat old white imbecile believes word for word what the Western corporate propaganda media machine stuffs down her gullet just like the whale did with lockdowns. This is why the West is in decline. White people lack the ability to think.
so you're ok with women raped and murdered, babies and children blown up and people homeless and jobless,...why doesn't that surprise me? :001_rolleyes:
Quote from: Herman post_id=447045 time=1650151701 user_id=1689
Quote from: caskur post_id=446993 time=1650090812 user_id=2156
Fuck Russia.
They are worse than evil. I hope every one of them drops dead.
Bomb the Kremlin.
NATO and the American industrial military complex don't want to bomb Russia. They want to sell them expensive military hardware like they do to every country after they instigate a war and collect the spoils.
all I see is historic buildings destroyed and dead babies.
my husband has stood in front of the Kremlim and most people on this forum couldn't claim that.
Biden is as weak as piss. I would have destroyed Russia by now... Russia would be a former nation by now, a burned blimp on an atlas.
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Quote from: caskur post_id=446993 time=1650090812 user_id=2156
Fuck Russia.
They are worse than evil. I hope every one of them drops dead.
Bomb the Kremlin.
Hello caskur, have you been watching the ABC?
Yes, why do you ask?
Quote from: "Shen Li" post_id=447008 time=1650121570 user_id=56
Quote from: caskur post_id=446993 time=1650090812 user_id=2156
Fuck Russia.
They are worse than evil. I hope every one of them drops dead.
Bomb the Kremlin.
I might have known the fat old white imbecile believes word for word what the Western corporate propaganda media machine stuffs down her gullet just like the whale did with lockdowns. This is why the West is in decline. White people lack the ability to think.
you should tell President Xi Pingpongball his lockdowns in Shanghai won't work. Yellow people lack everything.
locked borders worked in my state up until Christmas then a French frog backpacker snuck into the state and spread his disease around but now we have 95% vaccination so infections are mainly survivable.
Western Australia isnt in decline.... we've never been richer. ac_razz
^^China is doubling down on stupid with the lockdowns. That is for sure. Zero cases is impossible and the damage the world has caused with the pipe dream of "flattening the curve" will take a decade or more to fully recover from. And that includes Western Australia.
Of course it isn't just China that's being stupid. The West is literally starving the developing world with the insane sanctions on Russia.
Quote from: caskur post_id=447089 time=1650167428 user_id=2156
Quote from: Fashionista post_id=446998 time=1650108499 user_id=3254
Quote from: caskur post_id=446993 time=1650090812 user_id=2156
Fuck Russia.
They are worse than evil. I hope every one of them drops dead.
Bomb the Kremlin.
Hello caskur, have you been watching the ABC?
Yes, why do you ask?
My guess would be it sounds like you are repeating a broadcast on what they want people to believe.
Quote from: caskur post_id=447087 time=1650166651 user_id=2156
Quote from: "Shen Li" post_id=447008 time=1650121570 user_id=56
Quote from: caskur post_id=446993 time=1650090812 user_id=2156
Fuck Russia.
They are worse than evil. I hope every one of them drops dead.
Bomb the Kremlin.
I might have known the fat old white imbecile believes word for word what the Western corporate propaganda media machine stuffs down her gullet just like the whale did with lockdowns. This is why the West is in decline. White people lack the ability to think.
so you're ok with women raped and murdered, babies and children blown up and people homeless and jobless,...why doesn't that surprise me? :001_rolleyes:
First of all, how do you know this is happening? Are you relying on information from Ukriane? It is the most corrupt regime in Europe.
Secondly, even if this is happening, who is doing it. Is it the no nazi Azov Battalion goons attacking their fellow citizens?
As for jobless, the reaction from the West is what is causing global hrdship. And for what? The US threatened nuclear war when the USSR wanted to place nuclear missiles in Cuba targeting the USA. Is Russia not allowed to defend itself against NATO on it's border with biolabs and hardward targeting Moscow?
Quote from: caskur post_id=447088 time=1650167265 user_id=2156
Quote from: Herman post_id=447045 time=1650151701 user_id=1689
Quote from: caskur post_id=446993 time=1650090812 user_id=2156
Fuck Russia.
They are worse than evil. I hope every one of them drops dead.
Bomb the Kremlin.
NATO and the American industrial military complex don't want to bomb Russia. They want to sell them expensive military hardware like they do to every country after they instigate a war and collect the spoils.
all I see is historic buildings destroyed and dead babies.
my husband has stood in front of the Kremlim and most people on this forum couldn't claim that.
Biden is as weak as piss. I would have destroyed Russia by now... Russia would be a former nation by now, a burned blimp on an atlas.
Because that is what they want you to see. Do you think the American military-industrial complex that controls NATO doesn't have influence over English language media? Like really?
And why hasn't NATO disbanded itself? The Warsaw Pact is gone? Why are they still fishing for new members in the former East Bloc by pitting neighbouring countries against each other? The answer is money. Lockheed Martin wants to sell expensive new military hardware to new members like the bonanza they had in the 90's selling expensive armaments to nations like Poland that couldn't afford it. When that didn't work as well as they hoped they instigated wars in the former Yugoslavia and made Slobodan Milosevic Hitler for defending his country against NATO hostilities like they are doing with Putin today.
As for being in Moscow, Herman worked in Russia and can understand the languag. Fash lived in Kazakhstan and transited through Moscow. Gaon was born in Russia. There is a lot of first hand experience on this little forum. You, on the other hand believe everything you see on tv and online. Most people here understand we're getting a false narrative. You seem unable to discern.
Not being an expert on Eastern Europe, at the start of this I assumed Russia's actions were overly aggressive. But, as I read more and stopped wasting my time on the fake English language media narrative, I see it is NATO/US that is the aggressor.
Russian forces pummeled a hulking steel plant that held the last pocket of resistance Sunday in Mariupol, a southern Ukraine city. Ukrainian forces had been driven out of most of the city and remained only in the Azovstal steel mill, where tunnels allow the defenders to hide and resist until they run out of ammunition.
Are they still flooding the tunnels with a dozen tankers?
Sweden has been attacked by... Muslims...
Easter rioting.
Burning police-cars... Attempted murder of 16+ police-officers.
All because some Danish right-winger wanted to burn some Qurans.
I´ll take Russian occupation over muslim and nikker occupation any day.
Sweden is the planet of the apes.
Quote from: Odinson post_id=447108 time=1650202419 user_id=136
Sweden has been attacked by... Muslims...
Easter rioting.
Burning police-cars... Attempted murder of 16+ police-officers.
All because some Danish right-winger wanted to burn some Qurans.
I´ll take Russian occupation over muslim and nikker occupation any day.
Sweden is the planet of the apes.
I would prefer Russian occupation over herr Trudeau.
Quote from: seoulbro post_id=447098 time=1650193825 user_id=114
Not being an expert on Eastern Europe, at the start of this I assumed Russia's actions were overly aggressive. But, as I read more and stopped wasting my time on the fake English language media narrative, I see it is NATO/US that is the aggressor.
Caskur is still a stooge of the media.
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Quote from: caskur post_id=447089 time=1650167428 user_id=2156
Quote from: Fashionista post_id=446998 time=1650108499 user_id=3254
Quote from: caskur post_id=446993 time=1650090812 user_id=2156
Fuck Russia.
They are worse than evil. I hope every one of them drops dead.
Bomb the Kremlin.
Hello caskur, have you been watching the ABC?
Yes, why do you ask?
My guess would be it sounds like you are repeating a broadcast on what they want people to believe.
a broadcast?... we are fully informed daily of the war there by our own journalists who are there. What news with pictures and videos do you get? Are you saying our journalists are lying?
there is zero excuse for murdering children and civilians and that is what the Russian army are doing to the Ukrainians.
Quote from: caskur post_id=447114 time=1650205546 user_id=2156
Quote from: seoulbro post_id=447094 time=1650191538 user_id=114
Quote from: caskur post_id=447089 time=1650167428 user_id=2156
Quote from: Fashionista post_id=446998 time=1650108499 user_id=3254
Quote from: caskur post_id=446993 time=1650090812 user_id=2156
Fuck Russia.
They are worse than evil. I hope every one of them drops dead.
Bomb the Kremlin.
Hello caskur, have you been watching the ABC?
Yes, why do you ask?
My guess would be it sounds like you are repeating a broadcast on what they want people to believe.
a broadcast?... we are fully informed daily of the war there by our own journalists who are there. What news with pictures and videos do you get? Are you saying our journalists are lying?
there is zero excuse for murdering children and civilians and that is what the Russian army are doing to the Ukrainians.
Fully informed??? ac_toofunny ac_lmfao Just like you were with the bullshit Western media fed your fat white body about lockdowns you sheeple.
You were asked questions in this thread. You couldn't answer them. All you can do is parrot the pro North Atlantic Terrorist Organization's narrative the Western corporate media you feeds you.
They find a mass-grave in the middle of a warzone and immediately call it "genocide".
I´ve seen footage of Ukrainians putting bodies into a mass-grave in Mariupol... Were they specifically targeted for genocide too?
They called it a genocide like hours after taking the town.
The "evidence" started showing up later.
Quote from: Odinson post_id=447118 time=1650206746 user_id=136
They find a mass-grave in the middle of a warzone and immediately call it "genocide".
I´ve seen footage of Ukrainians putting bodies into a mass-grave in Mariupol... Were they specifically targeted for genocide too?
They called it a genocide like hours after taking the town.
The "evidence" started showing up later.
There are so many examples of "genocide" that are fake as fuck. Choreographed bombings of public squares too. Ukraine has a sleazebag actor for a dictator. He knows how to manipulate gullible fat English idiots like caskur.
Quote from: "Shen Li" post_id=447116 time=1650206360 user_id=56
Quote from: caskur post_id=447114 time=1650205546 user_id=2156
Quote from: seoulbro post_id=447094 time=1650191538 user_id=114
Quote from: caskur post_id=447089 time=1650167428 user_id=2156
Quote from: Fashionista post_id=446998 time=1650108499 user_id=3254
Hello caskur, have you been watching the ABC?
Yes, why do you ask?
My guess would be it sounds like you are repeating a broadcast on what they want people to believe.
a broadcast?... we are fully informed daily of the war there by our own journalists who are there. What news with pictures and videos do you get? Are you saying our journalists are lying?
there is zero excuse for murdering children and civilians and that is what the Russian army are doing to the Ukrainians.
Fully informed??? ac_toofunny ac_lmfao Just like you were with the bullshit Western media fed your fat white body about lockdowns you sheeple.
You were asked questions in this thread. You couldn't answer them. All you can do is parrot the pro North Atlantic Terrorist Organization's narrative the Western corporate media you feeds you.
I haven't read this thread dog eater so I have no idea what questions you are blathering on about.... and I believe the western media before you dingbat... duh!!!
Quote from: seoulbro post_id=447096 time=1650192777 user_id=114
Quote from: caskur post_id=447087 time=1650166651 user_id=2156
Quote from: "Shen Li" post_id=447008 time=1650121570 user_id=56
Quote from: caskur post_id=446993 time=1650090812 user_id=2156
Fuck Russia.
They are worse than evil. I hope every one of them drops dead.
Bomb the Kremlin.
I might have known the fat old white imbecile believes word for word what the Western corporate propaganda media machine stuffs down her gullet just like the whale did with lockdowns. This is why the West is in decline. White people lack the ability to think.
so you're ok with women raped and murdered, babies and children blown up and people homeless and jobless,...why doesn't that surprise me? :001_rolleyes:
First of all, how do you know this is happening? Are you relying on information from Ukriane? It is the most corrupt regime in Europe.
Secondly, even if this is happening, who is doing it. Is it the no nazi Azov Battalion goons attacking their fellow citizens?
As for jobless, the reaction from the West is what is causing global hrdship. And for what? The US threatened nuclear war when the USSR wanted to place nuclear missiles in Cuba targeting the USA. Is Russia not allowed to defend itself against NATO on it's border with biolabs and hardward targeting Moscow?
The Russians attacked first. They weren't defending themselves so I cannot relate to your comment.
Quote from: "Shen Li" post_id=447116 time=1650206360 user_id=56
Quote from: caskur post_id=447114 time=1650205546 user_id=2156
Quote from: seoulbro post_id=447094 time=1650191538 user_id=114
Quote from: caskur post_id=447089 time=1650167428 user_id=2156
Quote from: Fashionista post_id=446998 time=1650108499 user_id=3254
Hello caskur, have you been watching the ABC?
Yes, why do you ask?
My guess would be it sounds like you are repeating a broadcast on what they want people to believe.
a broadcast?... we are fully informed daily of the war there by our own journalists who are there. What news with pictures and videos do you get? Are you saying our journalists are lying?
there is zero excuse for murdering children and civilians and that is what the Russian army are doing to the Ukrainians.
Fully informed??? ac_toofunny ac_lmfao Just like you were with the bullshit Western media fed your fat white body about lockdowns you sheeple.
You were asked questions in this thread. You couldn't answer them. All you can do is parrot the pro North Atlantic Terrorist Organization's narrative the Western corporate media you feeds you.
The west have got their eye on China too... one wrong move by China and China will be Cactus.
Quote from: caskur post_id=447124 time=1650208160 user_id=2156
Quote from: seoulbro post_id=447096 time=1650192777 user_id=114
Quote from: caskur post_id=447087 time=1650166651 user_id=2156
Quote from: "Shen Li" post_id=447008 time=1650121570 user_id=56
Quote from: caskur post_id=446993 time=1650090812 user_id=2156
Fuck Russia.
They are worse than evil. I hope every one of them drops dead.
Bomb the Kremlin.
I might have known the fat old white imbecile believes word for word what the Western corporate propaganda media machine stuffs down her gullet just like the whale did with lockdowns. This is why the West is in decline. White people lack the ability to think.
so you're ok with women raped and murdered, babies and children blown up and people homeless and jobless,...why doesn't that surprise me? :001_rolleyes:
First of all, how do you know this is happening? Are you relying on information from Ukriane? It is the most corrupt regime in Europe.
Secondly, even if this is happening, who is doing it. Is it the no nazi Azov Battalion goons attacking their fellow citizens?
As for jobless, the reaction from the West is what is causing global hrdship. And for what? The US threatened nuclear war when the USSR wanted to place nuclear missiles in Cuba targeting the USA. Is Russia not allowed to defend itself against NATO on it's border with biolabs and hardward targeting Moscow?
The Russians attacked first. They weren't defending themselves so I cannot relate to your comment.
Did they or are they defending their sovereignty from NATO imperialism?
Would the USA tolerate a Chinese-Mexican military alliance with Chinese weaponry on the Rio Grande aimed at Texas?
That oligarch wannabe US puppet Zelenskyy has bullshit videos and pictures made of indiscriminate slaughter and then distributes them to European and American media.
Two years ago American and British press wouldn't have believed anything he said, now he is frickin hero. What bullshit. Give us a frickin break.
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I might have known the fat old white imbecile believes word for word what the Western corporate propaganda media machine stuffs down her gullet just like the whale did with lockdowns. This is why the West is in decline. White people lack the ability to think.
so you're ok with women raped and murdered, babies and children blown up and people homeless and jobless,...why doesn't that surprise me? :001_rolleyes:
First of all, how do you know this is happening? Are you relying on information from Ukriane? It is the most corrupt regime in Europe.
Secondly, even if this is happening, who is doing it. Is it the no nazi Azov Battalion goons attacking their fellow citizens?
As for jobless, the reaction from the West is what is causing global hrdship. And for what? The US threatened nuclear war when the USSR wanted to place nuclear missiles in Cuba targeting the USA. Is Russia not allowed to defend itself against NATO on it's border with biolabs and hardward targeting Moscow?
The Russians attacked first. They weren't defending themselves so I cannot relate to your comment.
Did they or are they defending their sovereignty from NATO imperialism?
Would the USA tolerate a Chinese-Mexican military alliance with Chinese weaponry on the Rio Grande aimed at Texas?
They are not defending anything. They (the Russians) attacked with bombs, buildings, innocent civilians and murdered children and babies. The Russians ILLEGALLY invaded the Ukraine. I don't know which part of that don't the members on this forum get. Ukrainians didn't go into Russia. I am shocked the people here side with Russia. I am absolutely flabbergasted.
To the other part of your question.... how would you like the world to stand aside when China decides to annex Taiwan? It's the same thing.
:oeudC:
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That oligarch wannabe US puppet Zelenskyy has bullshit videos and pictures made of indiscriminate slaughter and then distributes them to European and American media.
Two years ago American and British press wouldn't have believed anything he said, now he is frickin hero. What bullshit. Give us a frickin break.u
Are you sure you are from the Ukraine because you sound like you are from Lalaland.
Watch reputable world news programs.... you know... like Ukraine's smashed buildings and the women whose husbands have died and the underground and trains being occupied by Ukraine citizens shitting themselves hiding from bombs.
fake footage my arse :crazy: ..... fucking hell... wake up to yourself.
https://www.bitchute.com/video/OCyVPz3DouU7/
https://www.bitchute.com/video/eornM41YwgxF/
Thanks for the vids... of course we are all perfectly fluent in Russian and the Ukraine language here ...
:oeudC:
The first one had subtitles in Spanish and English. The second was the president of Ukraine visibly off his head (subtitles not important)...
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That oligarch wannabe US puppet Zelenskyy has bullshit videos and pictures made of indiscriminate slaughter and then distributes them to European and American media.
Two years ago American and British press wouldn't have believed anything he said, now he is frickin hero. What bullshit. Give us a frickin break.u
Are you sure you are from the Ukraine because you sound like you are from Lalaland.
Watch reputable world news programs.... you know... like Ukraine's smashed buildings and the women whose husbands have died and the underground and trains being occupied by Ukraine citizens shitting themselves hiding from bombs.
fake footage my arse :crazy: ..... fucking hell... wake up to yourself.
Herman akmost moved to the Ukraine to retire and he stays in touch with people there..
It can be argued that reputable and news don't belong in the same sentence..
Do you actually believe you're getting unbiased reporting? Really?
https://www.bitchute.com/video/LQEgUT8Mgkla/
Lulz....
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so you're ok with women raped and murdered, babies and children blown up and people homeless and jobless,...why doesn't that surprise me? :001_rolleyes:
First of all, how do you know this is happening? Are you relying on information from Ukriane? It is the most corrupt regime in Europe.
Secondly, even if this is happening, who is doing it. Is it the no nazi Azov Battalion goons attacking their fellow citizens?
As for jobless, the reaction from the West is what is causing global hrdship. And for what? The US threatened nuclear war when the USSR wanted to place nuclear missiles in Cuba targeting the USA. Is Russia not allowed to defend itself against NATO on it's border with biolabs and hardward targeting Moscow?
The Russians attacked first. They weren't defending themselves so I cannot relate to your comment.
Did they or are they defending their sovereignty from NATO imperialism?
Would the USA tolerate a Chinese-Mexican military alliance with Chinese weaponry on the Rio Grande aimed at Texas?
They are not defending anything. They (the Russians) attacked with bombs, buildings, innocent civilians and murdered children and babies. The Russians ILLEGALLY invaded the Ukraine. I don't know which part of that don't the members on this forum get. Ukrainians didn't go into Russia. I am shocked the people here side with Russia. I am absolutely flabbergasted.
To the other part of your question.... how would you like the world to stand aside when China decides to annex Taiwan? It's the same thing.
:oeudC:
It's a fair analogy......remember the Vice President Kamala Harris was in Poland at a military base last summer and voiced her support for fast membership of Ukraine in NATO with American made weaponry on Ukrainian soil targeting Russia..
That is an act of war.......remember President Kennedy threatened nucear war when the USSR planned to place missilies in Cuba targeting the USA.
I was as ignorant as you are of the what started this conflict..
The USA and NATO have provoking wars in Eastern Europe for thirty years since the end of the Warsaw Pact..
Russia has the right to defend itself against American/NATO aggression and Putin did all he could to prevent this war, but the American administration had a different agenda.
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First of all, how do you know this is happening? Are you relying on information from Ukriane? It is the most corrupt regime in Europe.
Secondly, even if this is happening, who is doing it. Is it the no nazi Azov Battalion goons attacking their fellow citizens?
As for jobless, the reaction from the West is what is causing global hrdship. And for what? The US threatened nuclear war when the USSR wanted to place nuclear missiles in Cuba targeting the USA. Is Russia not allowed to defend itself against NATO on it's border with biolabs and hardward targeting Moscow?
The Russians attacked first. They weren't defending themselves so I cannot relate to your comment.
Did they or are they defending their sovereignty from NATO imperialism?
Would the USA tolerate a Chinese-Mexican military alliance with Chinese weaponry on the Rio Grande aimed at Texas?
They are not defending anything. They (the Russians) attacked with bombs, buildings, innocent civilians and murdered children and babies. The Russians ILLEGALLY invaded the Ukraine. I don't know which part of that don't the members on this forum get. Ukrainians didn't go into Russia. I am shocked the people here side with Russia. I am absolutely flabbergasted.
To the other part of your question.... how would you like the world to stand aside when China decides to annex Taiwan? It's the same thing.
:oeudC:
It's a fair analogy......remember the Vice President Kamala Harris was in Poland at a military base last summer and voiced her support for fast membership of Ukraine in NATO with American made weaponry on Ukrainian soil targeting Russia..
That is an act of war.......remember President Kennedy threatened nucear war when the USSR planned to place missilies in Cuba targeting the USA.
I was as ignorant as you are of the what started this conflict..
The USA and NATO have provoking wars in Eastern Europe for thirty years since the end of the Warsaw Pact..
Russia has the right to defend itself against American/NATO aggression and Putin did all he could to prevent this war, but the American administration had a different agenda.
ac_wub
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To the other part of your question.... how would you like the world to stand aside when China decides to annex Taiwan? It's the same thing.
You're comparing apples to oranges. What do you think China's reaction would be if the American administration said they were abandoning the one China policy, Japan changed it's constitution and dropped the no aggression part and the two announced they recognize Taiwan as an independent state. On top of that they were entering into a clause 5 NATO type military alliance with Taiwan and building biolabs on Taiwanese soil targeting the China.
The invasion and annexation of Taiwan would commence yesterday. This is essentially what the West, no, actially the Americans have done to Russia.
Sorry caskur, the Biden administration is wearing the bully badge on this one.
Reading caskur's drivel one is left to wonder how can so much retardation be packed into one body. It's a grossly obese body mind you, but still.
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To the other part of your question.... how would you like the world to stand aside when China decides to annex Taiwan? It's the same thing.
You're comparing apples to oranges. What do you think China's reaction would be if the American administration said they were abandoning the one China policy, Japan changed it's constitution and dropped the no aggression part and the two announced they recognize Taiwan as an independent state. On top of that they were entering into a clause 5 NATO type military alliance with Taiwan and building biolabs on Taiwanese soil targeting the China.
The invasion and annexation of Taiwan would commence yesterday. This is essentially what the West, no, actially the Americans have done to Russia.
Sorry caskur, the Biden administration is wearing the bully badge on this one.
Without question. If that retarded twat Harris had even hinted what she did about using Taiwan as a base to attack China, that province would be annihilated immediately if not sooner.
There are consequences for threatening countries with powerful militaries. Israel's neighbours know that.
That fat dunce caskur will watch this video and believe it. ac_lmfao
[media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHLBzN2Y0R4[/media]
Real combat footage of Russians tricking the Ukrainian fighters to show their positions.
https://www.bitchute.com/video/cMOX2fiTnKkT/
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Real combat footage of Russians tricking the Ukrainian fighters to show their positions.
https://www.bitchute.com/video/cMOX2fiTnKkT/
ac_toofunny
This conflict would not have happened if Trump was still the president. That corrupt US puppet Zelenskyy has business ties with the Biden crime family syndicate. The Biden administration was promising him weapons and fast tracked NATO membership in exchange for Ukraine buying tens of billions of US dollars worth of military hardware made in the US. Trump on the other hand wanted to pull the US out of that corporate alliance.
Western media has turned Ukrainians, God's chosen people, into a pack of woke fairies. :t1929:
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That oligarch wannabe US puppet Zelenskyy has bullshit videos and pictures made of indiscriminate slaughter and then distributes them to European and American media.
Two years ago American and British press wouldn't have believed anything he said, now he is frickin hero. What bullshit. Give us a frickin break.u
Are you sure you are from the Ukraine because you sound like you are from Lalaland.
Watch reputable world news programs.... you know... like Ukraine's smashed buildings and the women whose husbands have died and the underground and trains being occupied by Ukraine citizens shitting themselves hiding from bombs.
fake footage my arse :crazy: ..... fucking hell... wake up to yourself.
Herman akmost moved to the Ukraine to retire and he stays in touch with people there..
It can be argued that reputable and news don't belong in the same sentence..
Do you actually believe you're getting unbiased reporting? Really?
Yes, I believe the news.
Our Channel 7 news journalists are there as are other channels.
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First of all, how do you know this is happening? Are you relying on information from Ukriane? It is the most corrupt regime in Europe.
Secondly, even if this is happening, who is doing it. Is it the no nazi Azov Battalion goons attacking their fellow citizens?
As for jobless, the reaction from the West is what is causing global hrdship. And for what? The US threatened nuclear war when the USSR wanted to place nuclear missiles in Cuba targeting the USA. Is Russia not allowed to defend itself against NATO on it's border with biolabs and hardward targeting Moscow?
The Russians attacked first. They weren't defending themselves so I cannot relate to your comment.
Did they or are they defending their sovereignty from NATO imperialism?
Would the USA tolerate a Chinese-Mexican military alliance with Chinese weaponry on the Rio Grande aimed at Texas?
They are not defending anything. They (the Russians) attacked with bombs, buildings, innocent civilians and murdered children and babies. The Russians ILLEGALLY invaded the Ukraine. I don't know which part of that don't the members on this forum get. Ukrainians didn't go into Russia. I am shocked the people here side with Russia. I am absolutely flabbergasted.
To the other part of your question.... how would you like the world to stand aside when China decides to annex Taiwan? It's the same thing.
:oeudC:
It's a fair analogy......remember the Vice President Kamala Harris was in Poland at a military base last summer and voiced her support for fast membership of Ukraine in NATO with American made weaponry on Ukrainian soil targeting Russia..
That is an act of war.......remember President Kennedy threatened nucear war when the USSR planned to place missilies in Cuba targeting the USA.
I was as ignorant as you are of the what started this conflict..
The USA and NATO have provoking wars in Eastern Europe for thirty years since the end of the Warsaw Pact..
Russia has the right to defend itself against American/NATO aggression and Putin did all he could to prevent this war, but the American administration had a different agenda.
Since Putin fired the first illegal shot into Ukraine as I have said now a couple of times, the western nations will finish off the aggressors.
I think as do the rest of the west that Ukraine has a right to fire back and enlist the world to help them.
I am afraid you're listening to too much bullshit on this forum. If you think blowing up buildings, murdering innocent men women and children was justified, I am thoroughly astonished.
:oeudC:
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That fat dunce caskur will watch this video and believe it. ac_lmfao
[media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHLBzN2Y0R4[/media]
Holy shit... the west are faking this war... how could they do such a stupid thing?
:dash1:
I will leave this whacky forum full of Russian sympathizers... fucking idiots!~
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The Russians attacked first. They weren't defending themselves so I cannot relate to your comment.
Did they or are they defending their sovereignty from NATO imperialism?
Would the USA tolerate a Chinese-Mexican military alliance with Chinese weaponry on the Rio Grande aimed at Texas?
They are not defending anything. They (the Russians) attacked with bombs, buildings, innocent civilians and murdered children and babies. The Russians ILLEGALLY invaded the Ukraine. I don't know which part of that don't the members on this forum get. Ukrainians didn't go into Russia. I am shocked the people here side with Russia. I am absolutely flabbergasted.
To the other part of your question.... how would you like the world to stand aside when China decides to annex Taiwan? It's the same thing.
:oeudC:
It's a fair analogy......remember the Vice President Kamala Harris was in Poland at a military base last summer and voiced her support for fast membership of Ukraine in NATO with American made weaponry on Ukrainian soil targeting Russia..
That is an act of war.......remember President Kennedy threatened nucear war when the USSR planned to place missilies in Cuba targeting the USA.
I was as ignorant as you are of the what started this conflict..
The USA and NATO have provoking wars in Eastern Europe for thirty years since the end of the Warsaw Pact..
Russia has the right to defend itself against American/NATO aggression and Putin did all he could to prevent this war, but the American administration had a different agenda.
Since Putin fired the first illegal shot into Ukraine as I have said now a couple of times, the western nations will finish off the aggressors.
I think as do the rest of the west that Ukraine has a right to fire back and enlist the world to help them.
I am afraid you're listening to too much bullshit on this forum. If you think blowing up buildings, murdering innocent men women and children was justified, I am thoroughly astonished.
:oeudC:
Look up the Donbas and Crimea regions over the last 10 years....
https://www.bitchute.com/video/sasnbJvRJJMe/
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That fat dunce caskur will watch this video and believe it. ac_lmfao
[media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHLBzN2Y0R4[/media]
Fuck you're dumb... should you be driving trains nitnut?
https://www.bbc.com/news/60589965
Ukrainian nationalists beating up teen girls for finding a Russian telegram channel on their mobiles:
https://www.bitchute.com/video/GnCBfet84Fkz/
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That fat dunce caskur will watch this video and believe it. ac_lmfao
[media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHLBzN2Y0R4[/media]
Fuck you're dumb... should you be driving trains nitnut?
https://www.bbc.com/news/60589965
Did you read your own link? It doesn't rebut what IHJ said, it reinforces it. There has been a lot false information and phony videos about the conflict in Eastern Europe. We shouldn't be surprised, we are in the age of social media and fake mainstream media. Look at all the misinformation the media fed us about COVID right from it's origins on.
But, all the mass media manipulation aside, the current American administration started this conflict. The Russian public are right about why NATO still exists when the Warsaw Pact is gone.
Remember how the media reported the fire near the Zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant? They reported it as a direct missile strike that hit the power plant itself. It was not targeted at all and it didn't hit the nuclear power plant. Hell, we don't even lnow which side caused it, but facts don't matter to the mainstream media.
Mariupol will fall to Russian hands within a week or so. This will give Russia a landbridge between Crimea and the Donbas region. It is also an important port city. Once the city is in Russian hands give them full control of the Sea of Azov.
Russia could have used their superior air power and hypersonic missiles to bring this war to fast end. But, they wanted to minimize civilian casualties and destroying infrastructure.
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Mariupol will fall to Russian hands within a week or so. This will give Russia a landbridge between Crimea and the Donbas region. It is also an important port city. Once the city is in Russian hands give them full control of the Sea of Azov.
Russia could have used their superior air power and hypersonic missiles to bring this war to fast end. But, they wanted to minimize civilian casualties and destroying infrastructure.
Russia traditionally holds a World War Two Victory Day parade on 9 May and the fall of Mariupol will give them something to celebrate this year.
Look at all the countries that have joined the North Atlantic Terrorist Organization after the Warsaw Pact was dissolved.

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Look at all the countries that have joined the North Atlantic Terrorist Organization after the Warsaw Pact was dissolved.

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Ya, Russia is overreacting. :001_rolleyes:
The West promised back in 1990 that NATO would expand "not an inch to the east."
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The West promised back in 1990 that NATO would expand "not an inch to the east."
That was former Secretary of State james Baker who said that.
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The West promised back in 1990 that NATO would expand "not an inch to the east."
That was former Secretary of State james Baker who said that.
He was far from being the only Western government official to offer assurances to the Russians that NATO would not expand East.
German Foreign Minister Hans Dietrich Genscher met with British Foreign Minister Douglas Hurd, the British record showed Genscher saying, "The Russians must have some assurance that if, for example, the Polish Government left the Warsaw Pact one day, they would not join NATO the next."
https://nsarchive.gwu.edu/briefing-book/russia-programs/2017-12-12/nato-expansion-what-gorbachev-heard-western-leaders-early
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The West promised back in 1990 that NATO would expand "not an inch to the east."
That was former Secretary of State james Baker who said that.
He was far from being the only Western government official to offer assurances to the Russians that NATO would not expand East.
German Foreign Minister Hans Dietrich Genscher met with British Foreign Minister Douglas Hurd, the British record showed Genscher saying, "The Russians must have some assurance that if, for example, the Polish Government left the Warsaw Pact one day, they would not join NATO the next."
https://nsarchive.gwu.edu/briefing-book/russia-programs/2017-12-12/nato-expansion-what-gorbachev-heard-western-leaders-early
Wow! Moscow has good reason not to trust the intentions of Western Europe, the United States, and Ukraine.
[media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKvJBokInNc[/media]
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Quote from: "Shen Li" post_id=447412 time=1650421332 user_id=56
The West promised back in 1990 that NATO would expand "not an inch to the east."
That was former Secretary of State james Baker who said that.
He was far from being the only Western government official to offer assurances to the Russians that NATO would not expand East.
German Foreign Minister Hans Dietrich Genscher met with British Foreign Minister Douglas Hurd, the British record showed Genscher saying, "The Russians must have some assurance that if, for example, the Polish Government left the Warsaw Pact one day, they would not join NATO the next."
https://nsarchive.gwu.edu/briefing-book/russia-programs/2017-12-12/nato-expansion-what-gorbachev-heard-western-leaders-early
Wow! Moscow has good reason not to trust the intentions of Western Europe, the United States, and Ukraine.
I agree Thiel..
At the start of this war I believed the Western narrative that Russia's actions were unprovoked......nothing could be further from the truth.
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I've seen that one. Almost nothing reported by the media and Western leaders has been honest right from what triggered it.
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Look at all the countries that have joined the North Atlantic Terrorist Organization after the Warsaw Pact was dissolved.

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Three decades of American aggression. No major media network in North America or the UK even mentions this.
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I saw this on CTV.
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The West promised back in 1990 that NATO would expand "not an inch to the east."
That was former Secretary of State james Baker who said that.
He was far from being the only Western government official to offer assurances to the Russians that NATO would not expand East.
German Foreign Minister Hans Dietrich Genscher met with British Foreign Minister Douglas Hurd, the British record showed Genscher saying, "The Russians must have some assurance that if, for example, the Polish Government left the Warsaw Pact one day, they would not join NATO the next."
https://nsarchive.gwu.edu/briefing-book/russia-programs/2017-12-12/nato-expansion-what-gorbachev-heard-western-leaders-early
The Russians have been lied to and bullied by the United States for decades. Enough is enough.
Even the Pentagon has reluctantly admitted that Russia has improved it's command and control as well as logistics.
Even the libtard Guardian admitted the US bears responsibility for instigating this conflict.
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Thinking through the Ukraine crisis – the causes
"It would be extraordinarily difficult to expand Nato eastward without that action's being viewed by Russia as unfriendly. Even the most modest schemes would bring the alliance to the borders of the old Soviet Union. Some of the more ambitious versions would have the alliance virtually surround the Russian Federation itself." I wrote those words in 1994, in my book Beyond Nato: Staying Out of Europe's Wars, at a time when expansion proposals merely constituted occasional speculation in foreign policy seminars in New York and Washington. I added that expansion "would constitute a needless provocation of Russia".
What was not publicly known at the time was that Bill Clinton's administration had already made the fateful decision the previous year to push for including some former Warsaw Pact countries in Nato. The administration would soon propose inviting Poland, the Czech Republic and Hungary to become members, and the US Senate approved adding those countries to the North Atlantic Treaty in 1998. It would be the first of several waves of membership expansion.
Even that first stage provoked Russian opposition and anger. In her memoir, Madeleine Albright, Clinton's secretary of state, concedes that "[Russian president Boris] Yeltsin and his countrymen were strongly opposed to enlargement, seeing it as a strategy for exploiting their vulnerability and moving Europe's dividing line to the east, leaving them isolated."
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/feb/28/nato-expansion-war-russia-ukraine
Russia's efforts to cooperate with the U.S. in making peace have been rejected under the excuse of "Russia's aggression against Ukraine." However, America is absolutely not interested in Ukraine. It is interested in Russia.
Ex-secretary-of-state Madeleine Albright stated that neither the Far North nor Siberia belongs to Russia."
"The declaration of former Secretary of State Ms Albright was expressed as follows: 'There cannot be talk of world fairness as long as a territory such as Siberia is owned by one country.'"
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The West promised back in 1990 that NATO would expand "not an inch to the east."
That was former Secretary of State james Baker who said that.
He was far from being the only Western government official to offer assurances to the Russians that NATO would not expand East.
German Foreign Minister Hans Dietrich Genscher met with British Foreign Minister Douglas Hurd, the British record showed Genscher saying, "The Russians must have some assurance that if, for example, the Polish Government left the Warsaw Pact one day, they would not join NATO the next."
https://nsarchive.gwu.edu/briefing-book/russia-programs/2017-12-12/nato-expansion-what-gorbachev-heard-western-leaders-early
The United States and NATO have broken every assurance they have given Russia. I hate this war, and I'm sure Russia does too, but they have to defend themselves from further NATO threats.
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The West promised back in 1990 that NATO would expand "not an inch to the east."
That was former Secretary of State james Baker who said that.
He was far from being the only Western government official to offer assurances to the Russians that NATO would not expand East.
German Foreign Minister Hans Dietrich Genscher met with British Foreign Minister Douglas Hurd, the British record showed Genscher saying, "The Russians must have some assurance that if, for example, the Polish Government left the Warsaw Pact one day, they would not join NATO the next."
https://nsarchive.gwu.edu/briefing-book/russia-programs/2017-12-12/nato-expansion-what-gorbachev-heard-western-leaders-early
The United States and NATO have broken every assurance they have given Russia. I hate this war, and I'm sure Russia does too, but they have to defend themselves from further NATO threats.
I don't want this war or any other, but I'm not sure certain interests in the USA feel the same.
They're elite psychopaths who are on the bunker guest lists...
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The West promised back in 1990 that NATO would expand "not an inch to the east."
That was former Secretary of State james Baker who said that.
He was far from being the only Western government official to offer assurances to the Russians that NATO would not expand East.
German Foreign Minister Hans Dietrich Genscher met with British Foreign Minister Douglas Hurd, the British record showed Genscher saying, "The Russians must have some assurance that if, for example, the Polish Government left the Warsaw Pact one day, they would not join NATO the next."
https://nsarchive.gwu.edu/briefing-book/russia-programs/2017-12-12/nato-expansion-what-gorbachev-heard-western-leaders-early
The United States and NATO have broken every assurance they have given Russia. I hate this war, and I'm sure Russia does too, but they have to defend themselves from further NATO threats.
I don't want this war or any other, but I'm not sure certain interests in the USA feel the same.
I assume you mean military industrial corporate interests?
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That was former Secretary of State james Baker who said that.
He was far from being the only Western government official to offer assurances to the Russians that NATO would not expand East.
German Foreign Minister Hans Dietrich Genscher met with British Foreign Minister Douglas Hurd, the British record showed Genscher saying, "The Russians must have some assurance that if, for example, the Polish Government left the Warsaw Pact one day, they would not join NATO the next."
https://nsarchive.gwu.edu/briefing-book/russia-programs/2017-12-12/nato-expansion-what-gorbachev-heard-western-leaders-early
The United States and NATO have broken every assurance they have given Russia. I hate this war, and I'm sure Russia does too, but they have to defend themselves from further NATO threats.
I don't want this war or any other, but I'm not sure certain interests in the USA feel the same.
I assume you mean military industrial corporate interests?
I know I sure as fuck do. Those companies own both political parties save the Trump wing of the GOP.
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He was far from being the only Western government official to offer assurances to the Russians that NATO would not expand East.
German Foreign Minister Hans Dietrich Genscher met with British Foreign Minister Douglas Hurd, the British record showed Genscher saying, "The Russians must have some assurance that if, for example, the Polish Government left the Warsaw Pact one day, they would not join NATO the next."
https://nsarchive.gwu.edu/briefing-book/russia-programs/2017-12-12/nato-expansion-what-gorbachev-heard-western-leaders-early
The United States and NATO have broken every assurance they have given Russia. I hate this war, and I'm sure Russia does too, but they have to defend themselves from further NATO threats.
I don't want this war or any other, but I'm not sure certain interests in the USA feel the same.
I assume you mean military industrial corporate interests?
I know I sure as fuck do. Those companies own both political parties save the Trump wing of the GOP.
That is one of the worst aspects about Washington. Trump's administration scared them.
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That is one of the worst aspects about Washington. Trump's administration scared them.
This war wouldn't have happened if Trump was still president. He wasn't dumb enough or sleazy enough to offer NATO membership and US weaponry to a country beside Russia his son had dubious financial interests with while in Poland.
It's amazing how the war is dividing people of different and similar persuasions. Some of the so called conservatives are the worst for it. The anti Russia campaign over the decades has been highly effective.
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The anti Russia campaign over the decades has been highly effective.
Very effective. It doesn't matter Dem or GOP either(except for the party of Trump).
Three decades of lies, bullying and provoking wars in the former Yugoslavia and Russia. All for profit.
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That is one of the worst aspects about Washington. Trump's administration scared them.
This war wouldn't have happened if Trump was still president. He wasn't dumb enough or sleazy enough to offer NATO membership and US weaponry to a country beside Russia his son had dubious financial interests with while in Poland.
This is on Jim Crow Joe.
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That is one of the worst aspects about Washington. Trump's administration scared them.
This war wouldn't have happened if Trump was still president. He wasn't dumb enough or sleazy enough to offer NATO membership and US weaponry to a country beside Russia his son had dubious financial interests with while in Poland.
This is on Jim Crow Joe.
100 fucking percent
Whats this thing about the Salomon islands...
The Australians and Americans are "concerned about the security of the pacific".
Now why would they be like that?
Seems like the Salomon Islanders are choosing to do business with China... Just like Ukraine did with Nato.
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Whats this thing about the Salomon islands...
The Australians and Americans are "concerned about the security of the pacific".
Now why would they be like that?
Seems like the Salomon Islanders are choosing to do business with China... Just like Ukraine did with Nato.
Anglo-American propaganda.
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Whats this thing about the Salomon islands...
The Australians and Americans are "concerned about the security of the pacific".
Now why would they be like that?
Seems like the Salomon Islanders are choosing to do business with China... Just like Ukraine did with Nato.
The CCP have a habit learned from the US decades ago whereby they promise big infrastructure products for things like unneeded deep water ports, electricity grids, power and sewage plants....and then once in on long leases with much fine print, virtually own it.
It's nation building without shots fired.
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Whats this thing about the Salomon islands...
The Australians and Americans are "concerned about the security of the pacific".
Now why would they be like that?
Seems like the Salomon Islanders are choosing to do business with China... Just like Ukraine did with Nato.
The CCP have a habit learned from the US decades ago whereby they promise big infrastructure products for things like unneeded deep water ports, electricity grids, power and sewage plants....and then once in on long leases with much fine print, virtually own it.
It's nation building without shots fired.
There's more to this than that Dinky..
The Solomon Islands used to recognize Taiwan as the legimate government of China until 2020..
Peking beibed them into swithing allegiances and now uses that to embarrass the independence leaning president and legislative Yuan of Taiwan.
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Whats this thing about the Salomon islands...
The Australians and Americans are "concerned about the security of the pacific".
Now why would they be like that?
Seems like the Salomon Islanders are choosing to do business with China... Just like Ukraine did with Nato.
The CCP have a habit learned from the US decades ago whereby they promise big infrastructure products for things like unneeded deep water ports, electricity grids, power and sewage plants....and then once in on long leases with much fine print, virtually own it.
It's nation building without shots fired.
There's more to this than that Dinky..
The Solomon Islands used to recognize Taiwan as the legimate government of China until 2020..
Peking bribed them into swithing allegiances and now uses that to embarrass the independence leaning president and legislative Yuan of Taiwan.
China has been stealing diplomatic allies of Taiwan for decades.
It seems the tide has turned in Russia's favour, but you would never know it from watching any newscast.
The United States wants to see the Russian military "weakened" amid the invasion of Ukraine, said Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin on Monday as he and Secretary of State Antony Blinken met with officials in Europe. Hasn't the US been hoping for that for thirty years since the end of the Warsaw Pact.

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Mounting evidence Canada trained Ukrainian extremists (//https)
With mounting evidence pointing to the Canadian Armed Forces having trained members of Ukraine's military who are also reported to be part of extremist groups, experts say Ottawa needs to strongly bolster its investigation and vetting of the soldiers it trains and arms in the embattled country.
The Department of National Defence promised a thorough review of Canada's mission in Ukraine after CTVNews.ca approached them for comment in October 2021, regarding a report from George Washington University that found extremists in the Ukrainian military were bragging about being trained by Canadians as part of Operation UNIFIER.
The group in question – which calls itself Military Order Centuria, or simply Centuria, has links to the far-right Azov movement.
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Mounting evidence Canada trained Ukrainian extremists (//https)
With mounting evidence pointing to the Canadian Armed Forces having trained members of Ukraine's military who are also reported to be part of extremist groups, experts say Ottawa needs to strongly bolster its investigation and vetting of the soldiers it trains and arms in the embattled country.
The Department of National Defence promised a thorough review of Canada's mission in Ukraine after CTVNews.ca approached them for comment in October 2021, regarding a report from George Washington University that found extremists in the Ukrainian military were bragging about being trained by Canadians as part of Operation UNIFIER.
The group in question – which calls itself Military Order Centuria, or simply Centuria, has links to the far-right Azov movement.
Holy cow. The Russian media will run with this.
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Mounting evidence Canada trained Ukrainian extremists (//world/mounting-evidence-canada-trained-ukrainian-extremists-gov-t-needs-to-be-held-to-account-experts-1.5879303)
With mounting evidence pointing to the Canadian Armed Forces having trained members of Ukraine's military who are also reported to be part of extremist groups, experts say Ottawa needs to strongly bolster its investigation and vetting of the soldiers it trains and arms in the embattled country.
The Department of National Defence promised a thorough review of Canada's mission in Ukraine after CTVNews.ca approached them for comment in October 2021, regarding a report from George Washington University that found extremists in the Ukrainian military were bragging about being trained by Canadians as part of Operation UNIFIER.
The group in question – which calls itself Military Order Centuria, or simply Centuria, has links to the far-right Azov movement.
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Mounting evidence Canada trained Ukrainian extremists (//https)
With mounting evidence pointing to the Canadian Armed Forces having trained members of Ukraine's military who are also reported to be part of extremist groups, experts say Ottawa needs to strongly bolster its investigation and vetting of the soldiers it trains and arms in the embattled country.
The Department of National Defence promised a thorough review of Canada's mission in Ukraine after CTVNews.ca approached them for comment in October 2021, regarding a report from George Washington University that found extremists in the Ukrainian military were bragging about being trained by Canadians as part of Operation UNIFIER.
The group in question – which calls itself Military Order Centuria, or simply Centuria, has links to the far-right Azov movement.
Dang, this is frickin embarrassing for every country except Russia.
A bit old news....
It takes months for the MSM to begrudgingly pick up chatter.
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A bit old news....
It takes months for the MSM to begrudgingly pick up chatter.
Could be, but the CBC will still bury it.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1519585294315507712
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https://twitter.com/i/status/1519585294315507712
I can't find any source other than Turkish media reporting this..
If this is true........well hmmm.
The commander of Azov is Finnish.
That explains why he is their best soldier.
Superior genetics.
How long until the EMP's start getting lobbed about and whole regions cannibalise themselves for precious resources?
Pope Francis is a dick, but he's right about this.

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Pope Francis says NATO's policies may have provoked Russia's invasion of Ukraine
While the Pope did not call out the United States by name, he compared the conflict in Ukraine to other wars that he said were caused and aggravated by international interests.
https://www.rebelnews.com/pope_francis_says_natos_policies_may_have_provoked_russias_invasion_of_ukraine?fbclid=IwAR0Fb3NNjflznLaHRxXdY946cuWsva5fEwLcCKxDQ7MpITFmAoUXK9p4U-M
This tweet from one of the founding members of the People's Party of Canada is credible.
https://mobile.twitter.com/georgemckenna99/status/1522181276194770946
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Pope Francis is a dick, but he's right about this.

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Pope Francis says NATO's policies may have provoked Russia's invasion of Ukraine
While the Pope did not call out the United States by name, he compared the conflict in Ukraine to other wars that he said were caused and aggravated by international interests.
https://www.rebelnews.com/pope_francis_says_natos_policies_may_have_provoked_russias_invasion_of_ukraine?fbclid=IwAR0Fb3NNjflznLaHRxXdY946cuWsva5fEwLcCKxDQ7MpITFmAoUXK9p4U-M
There is no may about mr man in a white dress.
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This tweet from one of the founding members of the People's Party of Canada is credible.
https://mobile.twitter.com/georgemckenna99/status/1522181276194770946
What the hell is a retired Canadian general doing in the Ukraine. Who is paying him. Russia was right all along about what the US was up to in Ukraine.
Was going to highlight on this topic heaps many days ago but none of my news sources would have been believed or taken seriously by some here.
Same thing with the second Russian naval vessel that got attacked by drones but is still floating.
The West is running this shit show and it's going to end very badly.
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Was going to highlight on this topic heaps many days ago but none of my news sources would have been believed or taken seriously by some here.
Same thing with the second Russian naval vessel that got attacked by drones but is still floating.
The West is running this shit show and it's going to end very badly.
What topic? About the biolabs in Ukraine? The US doesn't even deny that anymore.
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Was going to highlight on this topic heaps many days ago but none of my news sources would have been believed or taken seriously by some here.
Nobody takes anything you post seriously because you are a boring uneducated, unethical piece of shit.
hmmmm
Trudy in Ukraine today.
Not sure what difference that makes, but just reporting on visit
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Was going to highlight on this topic heaps many days ago but none of my news sources would have been believed or taken seriously by some here.
Nobody takes anything you post seriously because you are a boring uneducated, unethical piece of shit.
Dinky Dianna is childish, repetitive and boring.
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hmmmm
Trudy in Ukraine today.
Not sure what difference that makes, but just reporting on visit
He's in the Ukraine?
Yes .. taking up Zelenskyy's valuable time ... & token-opening Embassy
Prolly left by now.

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Yes .. taking up Zelenskyy's valuable time ... & token-opening Embassy
Prolly left by now.

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He sent a lot of C02 into the air for some oh so important selfies.
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Was going to highlight on this topic heaps many days ago but none of my news sources would have been believed or taken seriously by some here.
Nobody takes anything you post seriously because you are a boring uneducated, unethical piece of shit.
Your racism and borderline stupidity is driving your ignorance beyond a busting point..
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Was going to highlight on this topic heaps many days ago but none of my news sources would have been believed or taken seriously by some here.
Nobody takes anything you post seriously because you are a boring uneducated, unethical piece of shit.
Dinky Dianna is childish, repetitive and boring.
And for the sake of brevity, you're an idiot.
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Was going to highlight on this topic heaps many days ago but none of my news sources would have been believed or taken seriously by some here.
Nobody takes anything you post seriously because you are a boring uneducated, unethical piece of shit.
Your racism and borderline stupidity is driving your ignorance beyond a busting point..
That is rich. ac_toofunny
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Was going to highlight on this topic heaps many days ago but none of my news sources would have been believed or taken seriously by some here.
Nobody takes anything you post seriously because you are a boring uneducated, unethical piece of shit.
Dinky Dianna is childish, repetitive and boring.
And for the sake of brevity, you're an idiot.
Go tie down a flatdeck load, you retarded swamper.
What is the problem now?
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What is the problem now?
Same old infantile boring stupidity from Dinky the parrot.
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What is the problem now?
Shen Li started it with the following churlish post:
"Nobody takes anything you post seriously because you are a boring uneducated, unethical piece of shit."
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Quote from: Fashionista post_id=449362 time=1652036941 user_id=3254
What is the problem now?
Shen Li started it with the following churlish post:
"Nobody takes anything you post seriously because you are a boring uneducated, unethical piece of shit."
And I stopped it despite being personally attacked.
Choo Choo boi couldn't resist.
Anyhoo...
Trudeaus visit... Barely in the news in here.
Actually had to look for it because it wasnt on the front page.
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Anyhoo...
Trudeaus visit... Barely in the news in here.
Actually had to look for it because it wasnt on the front page.
It shouldn't be news anywhere. The trip is meaningless.
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Anyhoo...
Trudeaus visit... Barely in the news in here.
Actually had to look for it because it wasnt on the front page.
What a joke.
Quote from: "Dinky Dazza" post_id=449356 time=1652036263 user_id=1676
Quote from: "Shen Li" post_id=449334 time=1652018407 user_id=56
Quote from: "Dinky Dazza" post_id=449224 time=1651892926 user_id=1676
Was going to highlight on this topic heaps many days ago but none of my news sources would have been believed or taken seriously by some here.
Nobody takes anything you post seriously because you are a boring uneducated, unethical piece of shit.
Your racism and borderline stupidity is driving your ignorance beyond a busting point..
She is a fellow anti woke warrior. She pisses off progs and I enjoy watching it.
And most white people are pretty screwed up. I admit that, so has Renee.
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Quote from: "Dinky Dazza" post_id=449356 time=1652036263 user_id=1676
Quote from: "Shen Li" post_id=449334 time=1652018407 user_id=56
Quote from: "Dinky Dazza" post_id=449224 time=1651892926 user_id=1676
Was going to highlight on this topic heaps many days ago but none of my news sources would have been believed or taken seriously by some here.
Nobody takes anything you post seriously because you are a boring uneducated, unethical piece of shit.
Your racism and borderline stupidity is driving your ignorance beyond a busting point..
She is a fellow anti woke warrior. She pisses off progs and I enjoy watching it.
And most white people are pretty screwed up. I admit that, so has Renee.
Shen is a good contributor..
But, her moodiness is hard for most people to deal with.
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Quote from: Herman post_id=449410 time=1652052094 user_id=1689
Quote from: "Dinky Dazza" post_id=449356 time=1652036263 user_id=1676
Quote from: "Shen Li" post_id=449334 time=1652018407 user_id=56
Quote from: "Dinky Dazza" post_id=449224 time=1651892926 user_id=1676
Was going to highlight on this topic heaps many days ago but none of my news sources would have been believed or taken seriously by some here.
Nobody takes anything you post seriously because you are a boring uneducated, unethical piece of shit.
Your racism and borderline stupidity is driving your ignorance beyond a busting point..
She is a fellow anti woke warrior. She pisses off progs and I enjoy watching it.
And most white people are pretty screwed up. I admit that, so has Renee.
Shen is a good contributor..
But, her moodiness is hard for most people to deal with.
Nobody is perfect.
Quote from: Odinson post_id=449369 time=1652039547 user_id=136
Anyhoo...
Trudeaus visit... Barely in the news in here.
Actually had to look for it because it wasnt on the front page.
What is the point of his trip?
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Quote from: Odinson post_id=449369 time=1652039547 user_id=136
Anyhoo...
Trudeaus visit... Barely in the news in here.
Actually had to look for it because it wasnt on the front page.
What is the point of his trip?
vanity
yup!!
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yup!!
And Canadians have to pay for his pointless trip. That is wrong in my opinion.
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yup!!
And Canadians have to pay for his pointless trip. That is wrong in my opinion.
That's not only your opinion.
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Quote from: Herman post_id=449410 time=1652052094 user_id=1689
Quote from: "Dinky Dazza" post_id=449356 time=1652036263 user_id=1676
Quote from: "Shen Li" post_id=449334 time=1652018407 user_id=56
Quote from: "Dinky Dazza" post_id=449224 time=1651892926 user_id=1676
Was going to highlight on this topic heaps many days ago but none of my news sources would have been believed or taken seriously by some here.
Nobody takes anything you post seriously because you are a boring uneducated, unethical piece of shit.
Your racism and borderline stupidity is driving your ignorance beyond a busting point..
She is a fellow anti woke warrior. She pisses off progs and I enjoy watching it.
And most white people are pretty screwed up. I admit that, so has Renee.
Shen is a good contributor..
But, her moodiness is hard for most people to deal with.
Do you reckon she needs a good root or what? :yahoo:
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Quote from: Fashionista post_id=449413 time=1652053559 user_id=3254
Quote from: Herman post_id=449410 time=1652052094 user_id=1689
Quote from: "Dinky Dazza" post_id=449356 time=1652036263 user_id=1676
Quote from: "Shen Li" post_id=449334 time=1652018407 user_id=56
Nobody takes anything you post seriously because you are a boring uneducated, unethical piece of shit.
Your racism and borderline stupidity is driving your ignorance beyond a busting point..
She is a fellow anti woke warrior. She pisses off progs and I enjoy watching it.
And most white people are pretty screwed up. I admit that, so has Renee.
Shen is a good contributor..
But, her moodiness is hard for most people to deal with.
Do you reckon she needs a good root or what? :yahoo:
I'm not sure what she needs.
I don't think she'd appreciate being ridiculed continually. Lol
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I don't think she'd appreciate being ridiculed continually. Lol
She's tough.

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I don't think she'd appreciate being ridiculed continually. Lol
She's tough.
Tough n' stuff like Afro puffs! ac_biggrin
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Justin Trudeau's hypocrisy.
The European Union was unable to reach a consensus on banning the import of Russian oil into member nations.
The New York Times reported the member nations of the European Union were unable to reach a unanimous decision in Brussels to confront Russian President Vladimir Putin by cutting off imports of Russian oil.
Reportedly, the diplomatic envoy from Hungary put up the most resistance to the proposed ban on Russian oil imports.
In order for the European Union to implement sanctions, as an institution, all 27 of its member states must agree to enforce them in their respective nations. Historically, countries like Hungary and Germany have been hesitant to issue restrictions on oil imports from Russia due to their nations' dependence on it.
Rut ruh.... looks like Poland fucked up and got its Yamal-Europe gas pipeline sanctioned by Russia.
No gas for yuo, Poland!
- Gas Soup Nazi

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Rut ruh.... looks like Poland fucked up and got its Yamal-Europe gas pipeline sanctioned by Russia.
No gas for yuo, Poland!
- Gas Soup Nazi

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That's not good.
Europe is nearly cut off from natural flows.
That affect Canada and Australia.
We're heading towards a Greater Depression....
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Europe is nearly cut off from natural flows.
That affect Canada and Australia.
We're heading towards a Greater Depression....
A global recession is coming. Rapid interest rate incrreases in key global economies will ensure that.
Turkey says that Finland and Sweden are supporting terrorism.
Its true.
We are keeping them here safe and sound on taxpayers money.
They can come to the nordiclands for some R&R.
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Turkey says that Finland and Sweden are supporting terrorism.
Its true.
We are keeping them here safe and sound on taxpayers money.
They can come to the nordiclands for some R&R.
Who are they? Scam refugee applicants?
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Turkey says that Finland and Sweden are supporting terrorism.
Its true.
We are keeping them here safe and sound on taxpayers money.
They can come to the nordiclands for some R&R.
Who are they? Scam refugee applicants?
Yes.
The shield-police (Finnish CIA) says that there are many active muslim terrorists living in here.
They go back and forth between Finland and their homeland.
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Quote from: "Shen Li" post_id=450130 time=1652552548 user_id=56
Quote from: Odinson post_id=450129 time=1652551551 user_id=136
Turkey says that Finland and Sweden are supporting terrorism.
Its true.
We are keeping them here safe and sound on taxpayers money.
They can come to the nordiclands for some R&R.
Who are they? Scam refugee applicants?
Yes.
The shield-police (Finnish CIA) says that there are many active muslim terrorists living in here.
They go back and forth between Finland and their homeland.
Are they not doing anything to prevent them from planning terror attacks?
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Quote from: Odinson post_id=450131 time=1652554135 user_id=136
Quote from: "Shen Li" post_id=450130 time=1652552548 user_id=56
Quote from: Odinson post_id=450129 time=1652551551 user_id=136
Turkey says that Finland and Sweden are supporting terrorism.
Its true.
We are keeping them here safe and sound on taxpayers money.
They can come to the nordiclands for some R&R.
Who are they? Scam refugee applicants?
Yes.
The shield-police (Finnish CIA) says that there are many active muslim terrorists living in here.
They go back and forth between Finland and their homeland.
Are they not doing anything to prevent them from planning terror attacks?
They are... Surveillance and preventing them from getting a job in anything vital.
But the thing is that many left to join the ISIS and now they have returned.
The current foreign minister even went out of his way to get the prisoners back from the Al-Hol camp in Syria.
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Quote from: Odinson post_id=450131 time=1652554135 user_id=136
Quote from: "Shen Li" post_id=450130 time=1652552548 user_id=56
Quote from: Odinson post_id=450129 time=1652551551 user_id=136
Turkey says that Finland and Sweden are supporting terrorism.
Its true.
We are keeping them here safe and sound on taxpayers money.
They can come to the nordiclands for some R&R.
Who are they? Scam refugee applicants?
Yes.
The shield-police (Finnish CIA) says that there are many active muslim terrorists living in here.
They go back and forth between Finland and their homeland.
Are they not doing anything to prevent them from planning terror attacks?
They shoud be revoking their residency and deporting them.
Quote from: Odinson post_id=450131 time=1652554135 user_id=136
Quote from: "Shen Li" post_id=450130 time=1652552548 user_id=56
Quote from: Odinson post_id=450129 time=1652551551 user_id=136
Turkey says that Finland and Sweden are supporting terrorism.
Its true.
We are keeping them here safe and sound on taxpayers money.
They can come to the nordiclands for some R&R.
Who are they? Scam refugee applicants?
Yes.
The shield-police (Finnish CIA) says that there are many active muslim terrorists living in here.
They go back and forth between Finland and their homeland.
Why is the FInnish CIA not arresting them on return from overseas terror camps.
I think President Erdogan smelled an opportunity for a bargain.
He did that Turkish basar salesman thing.
Turkey is under an embargo.
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I think President Erdogan smelled an opportunity for a bargain.
He did that Turkish basar salesman thing.
Turkey is under an embargo.
What opportunity did he take advantage of?
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I think President Erdogan smelled an opportunity for a bargain.
He did that Turkish basar salesman thing.
Turkey is under an embargo.
What opportunity did he take advantage of?
Swedens and Finlands NATO membership.
The NATO vote has to be unanimous and Erdogan saw an opportunity to blackmail for concessions.
Lift the embargo among other things.
Why did Nato ever give Turkey a vote?
Turkey is a mere applicant and rapidly become a less likely choice
If they have a vote, the whole thing becomes a cornball travestry
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Why did Nato ever give Turkey a vote?
Turkey is a mere applicant and rapidly become a less likely choice
If they have a vote, the whole thing becomes a cornball travestry
Turkey is a full member of NATO isn't it?
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Quote from: cc post_id=450195 time=1652634848 user_id=88
Why did Nato ever give Turkey a vote?
Turkey is a mere applicant and rapidly become a less likely choice
If they have a vote, the whole thing becomes a cornball travestry
Turkey is a full member of NATO isn't it?
Yes, you are correct. I confused it with the EU which while a gimme to suicidal Europe 10 years ago is now unlikely to happen
Turkey is saying they are "afraid of terrorists in Sweden & Finland" ... OH the Irony / Hypocrisy!!
Of course they are seeking to be bribed - same will happen for any other future prospect
Turkey has served some purpose such as US bases but have never been and never will be our friend
It has turned lucrative to Turkey - Every new country means the others have to bribe Turkey
Turkey was at one time considered for EU membership. Not anymore.
Now start a thread for Finland
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Now start a thread for Finland
Because they are a neighbour of Russia and are now seeking NATO membership?
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Turkey was at one time considered for EU membership. Not anymore.
Exactly. It was scary close for a while ... highway for a billion "legal" invaders to "own" Europe
Turkey did itself in by going all Fundy and the EU finally clued in
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Quote from: Herman post_id=450221 time=1652659445 user_id=1689
Turkey was at one time considered for EU membership. Not anymore.
Exactly. It was scary close for a while ... highway for a billion "legal" invaders to "own" Europe
Turkey did itself in by going all Fundy and the EU finally clued in
Better they find that out before they get approved than after.
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Quote from: cc post_id=450237 time=1652664238 user_id=88
Quote from: Herman post_id=450221 time=1652659445 user_id=1689
Turkey was at one time considered for EU membership. Not anymore.
Exactly. It was scary close for a while ... highway for a billion "legal" invaders to "own" Europe
Turkey did itself in by going all Fundy and the EU finally clued in
Better they find that out before they get approved than after.
True, but only Turkey going all Fundy just in time saved the day. Stupid EU heads all wanted it to happen before that
It was the firing of 1000s of not-Fundy Judges, Magistrates ... police chiefs etc that finally clued the EU goofs in
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Quote from: Herman post_id=450241 time=1652664791 user_id=1689
Quote from: cc post_id=450237 time=1652664238 user_id=88
Quote from: Herman post_id=450221 time=1652659445 user_id=1689
Turkey was at one time considered for EU membership. Not anymore.
Exactly. It was scary close for a while ... highway for a billion "legal" invaders to "own" Europe
Turkey did itself in by going all Fundy and the EU finally clued in
Better they find that out before they get approved than after.
True, but only Turkey going all Fundy just in time saved the day. Stupid EU heads all wanted it to happen before that
It was the firing of 1000s of not-Fundy Judges, Magistrates ... police chiefs etc that finally clued the EU goofs in
Even before President Erogan, didn't the EU have misgivings about Turkey becoming a member?
Muppet babies Muppeting Muppet talking points....
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Muppet babies Muppeting Muppet talking points....
What are you babbling about and in what language are you babbling it. On second thought, who cares. I am sure it's nothing constructive.
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Quote from: cc post_id=450242 time=1652665878 user_id=88
Quote from: Herman post_id=450241 time=1652664791 user_id=1689
Quote from: cc post_id=450237 time=1652664238 user_id=88
Quote from: Herman post_id=450221 time=1652659445 user_id=1689
Turkey was at one time considered for EU membership. Not anymore.
Exactly. It was scary close for a while ... highway for a billion "legal" invaders to "own" Europe
Turkey did itself in by going all Fundy and the EU finally clued in
Better they find that out before they get approved than after.
True, but only Turkey going all Fundy just in time saved the day. Stupid EU heads all wanted it to happen before that
It was the firing of 1000s of not-Fundy Judges, Magistrates ... police chiefs etc that finally clued the EU goofs in
Even before President Erogan, didn't the EU have misgivings about Turkey becoming a member?
True. Some people who saw the great danger of it being a legal highway for islam to overwhelm Europe did (as for members, borders no longer prevent people from crossing)
However, at the same time those "who could make it happen" were on board ... otherwise, it could never have become the real prospect that it was at one moment in time
At the time I found that very scary & the start of the end of Europe as we knew it
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Quote from: "Dinky Dazza" post_id=450262 time=1652708414 user_id=1676
Muppet babies Muppeting Muppet talking points....
What are you babbling about and in what language are you babbling it. On second thought, who cares. I am sure it's nothing constructive.
:laugh:
Now Erdogan is saying that he is gonna stop Finland and Sweden from joining NATO.
Oh...No... We are gonna lose another bottomless money pit.
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Quote from: Fashionista post_id=450243 time=1652666717 user_id=3254
Quote from: cc post_id=450242 time=1652665878 user_id=88
Quote from: Herman post_id=450241 time=1652664791 user_id=1689
Quote from: cc post_id=450237 time=1652664238 user_id=88
Exactly. It was scary close for a while ... highway for a billion "legal" invaders to "own" Europe
Turkey did itself in by going all Fundy and the EU finally clued in
Better they find that out before they get approved than after.
True, but only Turkey going all Fundy just in time saved the day. Stupid EU heads all wanted it to happen before that
It was the firing of 1000s of not-Fundy Judges, Magistrates ... police chiefs etc that finally clued the EU goofs in
Even before President Erogan, didn't the EU have misgivings about Turkey becoming a member?
True. Some people who saw the great danger of it being a legal highway for islam to overwhelm Europe did (as for members, borders no longer prevent people from crossing)
However, at the same time those "who could make it happen" were on board ... otherwise, it could never have become the real prospect that it was at one moment in time
At the time I found that very scary & the start of the end of Europe as we knew it
I thought there was another issue..
Didn't Turkey still have capital punishment on the books even if they didn't carry it out?
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Now Erdogan is saying that he is gonna stop Finland and Sweden from joining NATO.
Oh...No... We are gonna lose another bottomless money pit.
Why would he want that?
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Quote from: Odinson post_id=450275 time=1652731862 user_id=136
Now Erdogan is saying that he is gonna stop Finland and Sweden from joining NATO.
Oh...No... We are gonna lose another bottomless money pit.
Why would he want that?
Because he wants something inexchange for support vote.
He might be working with Russia.
Russia can offer lots of things for Turkey.
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Now Erdogan is saying that he is gonna stop Finland and Sweden from joining NATO.
Oh...No... We are gonna lose another bottomless money pit.
Why would he want that?
Because he wants something inexchange for support vote.
He might be working with Russia.
Russia can offer lots of things for Turkey.
Erdogan is shrewd.
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Now Erdogan is saying that he is gonna stop Finland and Sweden from joining NATO.
Oh...No... We are gonna lose another bottomless money pit.
Why would he want that?
Because he wants something inexchange for support vote.
He might be working with Russia.
Russia can offer lots of things for Turkey.
One country in NATO can veto the admission of new member states?
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Muppet babies Muppeting Muppet talking points....
What are you babbling about and in what language are you babbling it. On second thought, who cares. I am sure it's nothing constructive.
Few people here understand or are willing to understand the reality of what's actually happening in Ukraine and the wider world behind it....hence the muppet babies observation.
It's like watching a slow moving train wreck and you're one of those behind the wheel, Lil Choo Choo Boy.... :laugh3:
Repeating something stupid 1000 times doesn't make it funny. Freud and his bobblehead Seadunce can't seem to comprehend that.
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Repeating something stupid 1000 times doesn't make it funny. Freud and his bobblehead Seadunce can't seem to comprehend that.
Dry your eyes, pancake patootie...
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Repeating something stupid 1000 times doesn't make it funny. Freud and his bobblehead Seadunce can't seem to comprehend that.
Dry your eyes, pancake patootie...
I knew exactly what was in this post before I read it.
ac_boring
Ukraine is evacuating it's remaining troops in Mariupol and surrendering the city to Russia.
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Repeating something stupid 1000 times doesn't make it funny. Freud and his bobblehead Seadunce can't seem to comprehend that.
Seadunce is his father. And we can see Dianna inherited his daddy's brain.
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Repeating something stupid 1000 times doesn't make it funny. Freud and his bobblehead Seadunce can't seem to comprehend that.
Seadunce is his father. And we can see Dianna inherited his daddy's brain.
If you weevil any further up Fash's arse, your flip-top head will fill up (and that would be a clear improvement).
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Repeating something stupid 1000 times doesn't make it funny. Freud and his bobblehead Seadunce can't seem to comprehend that.
Dry your eyes, pancake patootie...
I knew exactly what was in this post before I read it.
ac_boring
:roll:
Maybe not the exact words for me, but the general trip into lalaland a guaranteed given
Please don't tard up this thread any further than you've already done, cc...
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Ukraine is evacuating it's remaining troops in Mariupol and surrendering the city to Russia.
Despite what the media is saying Ukraine will surrender more territory. This is a good bargaining chip for Russia to ensure Ukraine doesn't become a Western base for American imperial ambitions.

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Ukraine is evacuating it's remaining troops in Mariupol and surrendering the city to Russia.
Despite what the media is saying Ukraine will surrender more territory. This is a good bargaining chip for Russia to ensure Ukraine doesn't become a Western base for American imperial ambitions.
:thumbup:
I hope so.... the West has an erection and Russia is one of the cherries it wants to pop....
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Ukraine is evacuating it's remaining troops in Mariupol and surrendering the city to Russia.
Despite what the media is saying Ukraine will surrender more territory. This is a good bargaining chip for Russia to ensure Ukraine doesn't become a Western base for American imperial ambitions.
:thumbup:
I hope so.... the West has an erection and Russia is one of the cherries it wants to pop....
Why would the West want to pop Russian cherry. Don't tell me it's because of her oil and gas? The world needs to steer away from fossil fuels or we are dooming our world into oblivion.
That's right.
World domination....
That ol' chestnut eh? I hardly think so.
As Sweden and Finland move ahead with their plans to join NATO, Russian President Vladimir Putin said on Monday that he has no issues with the decisions, provided there is no military threat to his nation.
What sanctions.
Russia more than triples its current account surplus to US$96 billion as EU energy giants pay in rubles
Russian oil exports climbed by 620,000 barrels per day from the prior month to 8.1 million in April
https://nationalpost.com/news/world/russia-more-than-triples-its-current-account-surplus-to-us96-billion-as-eu-energy-giants-pay-in-rubles
The Azovstal defenders have been safely evacuated to Siberia.
Surrender and becoming prisoners of war is called "evacuation" now.
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The Azovstal defenders have been safely evacuated to Siberia.
Surrender and becoming prisoners of war is called "evacuation" now.
Much like Gitmo.
The French army evacuates France, ceding control to Germany.
The German army evacuates Stalingrad, ceding control to the Soviets.
Mariupol is no longer Ukrainian controlled.
Women shouldnt be in combat.
When a young woman gets killed, there will be no babies.
Corpse of a fine ass woman... Its a goddamn tragedy.
The modern combat gear is so heavy that it causes life-long injuries to women.
Women enlist because they want to prove something... They dont even want to be in the army.
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Women shouldnt be in combat.
When a young woman gets killed, there will be no babies.
Corpse of a fine ass woman... Its a goddamn tragedy.
The modern combat gear is so heavy that it causes life-long injuries to women.
Women enlist because they want to prove something... They dont even want to be in the army.
I heard most women in Canada's army are lesbians.
All women should have some form of military training or martial arts behind them starting from school. They don't want to be victims from shitty wars. Look at what the Russians were doing to them in the Ukraine. Now that's a fucking tragedy. Makes me sick to my stomach.
It's predominantly been Ukrainians doing that to Russian speaking Ukrainian women....
Well that's even more fucked! Regardless...women need to have the right and opportunity to protect themselves and (or) their family.
Ukrainian leadership has ruled out the possibility of a ceasefire or granting any concessions of land or policy to Russia.
They're doing their best to hide behind the West's skirt...
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They're doing their best to hide behind the West's skirt...
That piece of shit Zelenskyy is getting a cut of everything the West sends him.
Looks like Ukraine is about to surrender...
Good fucking deal.
Those Nazi pricks needed to be put down.
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Looks like Ukraine is about to surrender...
Good fucking deal.
Those Nazi pricks needed to be put down.
At Mariupol.
Russia said that the West is complicit in perpetuating the violence because of its "dangerous" efforts to supply Ukraine with munitions, military equipment, and financial support. Putin warned Macron and Scholz that the West's continued support for Ukraine risks "aggravation of the humanitarian crisis."
Meanwhile that piece of shit Zelenskyy rejected the possibility of a Ukrainian ceasefire despite Putin's openness as grain supply issues threaten global food shortages. Why would he when the West is being his sugardaddy.
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Russia said that the West is complicit in perpetuating the violence because of its "dangerous" efforts to supply Ukraine with munitions, military equipment, and financial support. Putin warned Macron and Scholz that the West's continued support for Ukraine risks "aggravation of the humanitarian crisis."
Meanwhile that piece of shit Zelenskyy rejected the possibility of a Ukrainian ceasefire despite Putin's openness as grain supply issues threaten global food shortages. Why would he when the West is being his sugardaddy.
The States and Europe are not helping the cause of peace.
So, a proxy war is no longer enough for the US.
A top U.S. general recently suggested the U.S. military conduct operations to help Ukraine export grain that is being held up as a result of Russian blockades along the Black Sea Coast.
Gen. Christopher Cavoli, who has been nominated to the next commander of NATO, told U.S. senators at a hearing on Thursday that he would consider offering military options to allow for grain exports to resume, the Epoch Times reported.
Russia cut off natural gas exports to Denmark. Denmark refused to pay in Russian rubles.
The nuclear forces of Russia are holding drills in a region just northeast of Moscow.
The decision to begin these drills comes just one day after President Joe Biden announced his decision to send advanced missile system to Ukraine, the New York Post reported.
Its been 100 days since the Russian army ran out of food.
Those people are all in the same bed
Russia, Ukraine, the US, NATO, the EU, UN, EVERYONE.
Billionaires trying to "save the world" so they can enjoy it all by themselves
All mirrors and smoke screens.
Russia responded to the EU barring the insuring of tankers carrying Russian oil by cutting export of gases needed for the electronics industry.... lol
The West enjoys fucking itself....
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Its been 100 days since the Russian army ran out of food.
:roll:
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Russia responded to the EU barring the insuring of tankers carrying Russian oil by cutting export of gases needed for the electronics industry.... lol
The West enjoys fucking itself....
All previously orchestrated
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Russia responded to the EU barring the insuring of tankers carrying Russian oil by cutting export of gases needed for the electronics industry.... lol
The West enjoys fucking itself....
All previously orchestrated
This US proxy war with Russia was planned long ago.
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Its been 100 days since the Russian army ran out of food.
But the Harry Truman has rationed its 5000 plus sailors to just 2 meals per day..... lulz
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Its been 100 days since the Russian army ran out of food.
But the Harry Truman has rationed its 5000 plus sailors to just 2 meals per day..... lulz
The Ukrainian president said on the radio, that Russia has now captured 20% of his country and is pleading for foreign support.
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Its been 100 days since the Russian army ran out of food.
But the Harry Truman has rationed its 5000 plus sailors to just 2 meals per day..... lulz
The Ukrainian president said on the radio, that Russia has now captured 20% of his country and is pleading for foreign support.
Far bigger than 20%... lulz
That little recently rich panhandling coked up bitch needs to get bitchslapped to hell on a one way trip.
:laugh3:
Talk about the attempt to assassinate Putin.
Earth shattering news...
He has probably experienced hundreds of assassination attempts.
Russian politics is sort of like Game of Thrones.
Your rivals are plotting to kill you.
Other nations are plotting to kill you.
I've also heard when he was a KGB agent, Vladimir Putin killed many people.
Its cool to boycott Russian-style restaurants.
But its not cool to boycott muslim restaurants.
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Its cool to boycott Russian-style restaurants.
But its not cool to boycott muslim restaurants.
BOYCOTT RIB JOINTS
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Its cool to boycott Russian-style restaurants.
But its not cool to boycott muslim restaurants.
BOYCOTT RIB JOINTS
When I get feeling better, I want some ribs.
Party in Sweden after they saved their culture, people and country from the Russian invader.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qitQNBK8zMQ
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Party in Sweden after they saved their culture, people and country from the Russian invader.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qitQNBK8zMQ
The invaders in Sweden aint Russians.
Two Britons and a Moroccan who were captured while fighting for Ukraine have been sentenced to death by a Russian proxy court in eastern Ukraine.
Britons Aiden Aslin and Shaun Pinner, and Brahim Saaudun are accused of being mercenaries, Russian state media says.
Some old Ukrainian woman said that the Russians are worse than the nazi occupiers..
Scouse is right... The Holocaust and other nazi crimes are a hoax.
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Some old Ukrainian woman said that the Russians are worse than the nazi occupiers..
Scouse is right... The Holocaust and other nazi crimes are a hoax.
I'm sure she wasn't a random person. She was carefully selected.
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Two Britons and a Moroccan who were captured while fighting for Ukraine have been sentenced to death by a Russian proxy court in eastern Ukraine.
Britons Aiden Aslin and Shaun Pinner, and Brahim Saaudun are accused of being mercenaries, Russian state media says.
They aren't special.... they made a choice that would have surely ended like this if caught.
No pity or fucks given.
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Two Britons and a Moroccan who were captured while fighting for Ukraine have been sentenced to death by a Russian proxy court in eastern Ukraine.
Britons Aiden Aslin and Shaun Pinner, and Brahim Saaudun are accused of being mercenaries, Russian state media says.
They aren't special.... they made a choice that would have surely ended like this if caught.
No pity or fucks given.
This is what happens when foreign mercs get caught.
Why don't the Russian Troops just go Home and give back ALL regions taken like Donbas and Crimea and Ukraine can join the EU and NATO.
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Why don't the Russian Troops just go Home and give back ALL regions taken like Donbas and Crimea and Ukraine can join the EU and NATO.
Because NATO is a major aggressor and the Ukraine is a puppet state with no ethics....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6VesYw1wgA
Slava Ukraine from this Canadian for literally fighting for Freedom and Democracy ac_drinks :howdy:
I don't know a lot about this conflict..
We have some people here woth strong opinions about that conflict.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6VesYw1wgA
Slava Ukraine from this Canadian for literally fighting for Freedom and Democracy ac_drinks :howdy:
Zelenskyy's Ukraine free and democratic. ac_lmfao
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Zelenskyy's Ukraine free and democratic. ac_lmfao
Still better than Russia. Just ask Brittney Griner.
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Zelenskyy's Ukraine free and democratic. ac_lmfao
Still better than Russia. Just ask Brittney Griner.
My heart breaks for her.
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Zelenskyy's Ukraine free and democratic. ac_lmfao
Still better than Russia. Just ask Brittney Griner.
If she had hash oil in her vape cartridge, she's right where she belongs....
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Still better than Russia. Just ask Brittney Griner.
My heart breaks for her.
I don't know who she is. But, I doubt I would care if I did.
A question for Herman and DD and anyone else that's been following the conflict in Eastern Europe. How much longer do you predict this war will last?
The U.S. is expected to announce Wednesday that it will send about $1 billion in military aid to Ukraine, the largest single tranche of weapons and equipment since the war began, in a effort to help stall Russia's slow but steady march to conquer the eastern Donbas region, U.S. officials said.
Russia's Gazprom announced a reduction in natural gas flows through a key European pipeline for the second day in a row Wednesday.
The state-owned energy giant said on Twitter that deliveries through the Nord Stream 1 pipeline to Germany would be cut again Thursday, bringing the overall reduction through the undersea pipeline to 60%.
The drop in shipments of gas used to power industry and generate electricity would amount to some 16 billion cubic meters by the end of the year, or around 10% of total European Union gas imports from Russia.
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A question for Herman and DD and anyone else that's been following the conflict in Eastern Europe. How much longer do you predict this war will last?
How long is a piece of string?
NATO and the West fighting Russia by proxy in corrupt Ukraine could blow up into a world war. Then China starts filling their shopping cart.
Russian forces are positioning themselves to take more of Ukraine's eastern regions in the coming days.
Russian forces now control the center of Severodonetsk in the east and could claim Donetsk to the south within days, and then the entire Luhansk region of eastern Ukraine in a few weeks, according to U.S. officials. All bridges leading to Severodonetsk have been destroyed, leaving many trapped and presaging a hard fight for Ukrainian forces.
Russia initially stumbled in its invasion of Ukraine, but the daily bombardment of the southeastern region of Donbas shows that the Kremlin has pivoted its strategy to a steady devastation that could make the imbalance of weapons and troops between the two countries even wider.
Russia is clearly winning the war. Once they take all of the East, a truce is more likely. The end could before the end of summer.
Surprising comments from Francis. But, I still think he should stick to scripture.
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Pope Francis weighed in on the Russian invasion of Ukraine, stating on Monday that the Kremlin was provoked into military conflict by NATO.
His remarks come as warmongers in the West, such as OSINT military advisors and former generals who serve on corporate boards and neoconservative think tanks call for an escalation of Western involvement against Russia.
During the interview with the Catholic magazine on Monday, the pope suggested that an unnamed Western world leader previously expressed concern about NATO's eastward expansion and how it would provoke Russia into action against Ukraine.
https://www.rebelnews.com/pope_francis_suggests_nato_provoked_russia_into_invading_ukraine?fbclid=IwAR34a-mFKXi5wBHPmaUcMLytw9Nqoa-7ZC7yTURXqe2dyfPW5nkh_lzYcfk
I just tuned in to a radio broadcast here in Australia.... it had a western Ukrainian being interviewed.
She was chocked full of anti Russian propaganda
I tire of these sort of broadcasts.
Her claims were stupid
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I just tuned in to a radio broadcast here in Australia.... it had a western Ukrainian being interviewed.
She was chocked full of anti Russian propaganda
I tire of these sort of broadcasts.
Her claims were stupid
Even our biased media is reluctantly acknowledging that the tide has turned against Ukraine.
Citizens in Kaliningrad are panic buying food and supplies after Lithuania moved to violate its transit agreement with mainland Russia under the guise of consistency of applied sanctions.
Russia has offered a stern warning that it has the right to supply Kaliningrad and this is a red line.
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Citizens in Kaliningrad are panic buying food and supplies after Lithuania moved to violate its transit agreement with mainland Russia under the guise of consistency of applied sanctions.
Russia has offered a stern warning that it has the right to supply Kaliningrad and this is a red line.
The list includes coal, metals, construction materials and advanced technology. Russia will make sure they get what they need.
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Citizens in Kaliningrad are panic buying food and supplies after Lithuania moved to violate its transit agreement with mainland Russia under the guise of consistency of applied sanctions.
Russia has offered a stern warning that it has the right to supply Kaliningrad and this is a red line.
The list includes coal, metals, construction materials and advanced technology. Russia will make sure they get what they need.
NATO keeps poking the bear with desperate and shallow moves....
What very little respect I had for NATO is gone completely.
It behaves like a multinational Amber Heard...
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The list includes coal, metals, construction materials and advanced technology. Russia will make sure they get what they need.
NATO keeps poking the bear with desperate and shallow moves....
What very little respect I had for NATO is gone completely.
It behaves like a multinational Amber Heard...
This war is lasting longer than it should have thanks to NATO.
China's crude oil imports from Russia soared 55% from a year earlier to a record level in May, displacing Saudi Arabia as the top supplier.
Boris Johnson is an idiot.
Boris Johnson says 'toxic masculinity' led to war in Ukraine, suggests that a woman wouldn't have started the war
https://www.theblaze.com/news/johnson-takes-aim-at-putin?utm_source=theblaze-7DayTrendingTest&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Afternoon%20Auto%20Trending%207%20Day%20Engaged%202022-06-29&utm_term=ACTIVE%20LIST%20-%207%20Day%20Engagement
A female Russian president would never have invaded Ukraine, so says British Prime Minister Boris Johnson.
According to Business Insider, Johnson sat down with German news outlet ZDF shortly following the G7 summit and blamed much of Vladimir Putin's behavior, especially the war in Ukraine, on his male identity.
"If Putin was a woman, which he obviously isn't, if he were, I really don't think he would have embarked on a crazy, macho war of invasion and violence in the way that he has," Johnson said, per ZDF.
"If you want a perfect example of toxic masculinity, it's what he's doing in Ukraine," Johnson continued.
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Boris Johnson is an idiot.
Boris Johnson says 'toxic masculinity' led to war in Ukraine, suggests that a woman wouldn't have started the war
https://www.theblaze.com/news/johnson-takes-aim-at-putin?utm_source=theblaze-7DayTrendingTest&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Afternoon%20Auto%20Trending%207%20Day%20Engaged%202022-06-29&utm_term=ACTIVE%20LIST%20-%207%20Day%20Engagement
A female Russian president would never have invaded Ukraine, so says British Prime Minister Boris Johnson.
According to Business Insider, Johnson sat down with German news outlet ZDF shortly following the G7 summit and blamed much of Vladimir Putin's behavior, especially the war in Ukraine, on his male identity.
"If Putin was a woman, which he obviously isn't, if he were, I really don't think he would have embarked on a crazy, macho war of invasion and violence in the way that he has," Johnson said, per ZDF.
"If you want a perfect example of toxic masculinity, it's what he's doing in Ukraine," Johnson continued.
How very woke of him.
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Boris Johnson is an idiot.
Boris Johnson says 'toxic masculinity' led to war in Ukraine, suggests that a woman wouldn't have started the war
https://www.theblaze.com/news/johnson-takes-aim-at-putin?utm_source=theblaze-7DayTrendingTest&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Afternoon%20Auto%20Trending%207%20Day%20Engaged%202022-06-29&utm_term=ACTIVE%20LIST%20-%207%20Day%20Engagement
A female Russian president would never have invaded Ukraine, so says British Prime Minister Boris Johnson.
According to Business Insider, Johnson sat down with German news outlet ZDF shortly following the G7 summit and blamed much of Vladimir Putin's behavior, especially the war in Ukraine, on his male identity.
"If Putin was a woman, which he obviously isn't, if he were, I really don't think he would have embarked on a crazy, macho war of invasion and violence in the way that he has," Johnson said, per ZDF.
"If you want a perfect example of toxic masculinity, it's what he's doing in Ukraine," Johnson continued.
How very woke of him.
Other than negotiating Brexit, Johnson is the British equivalent of Erin O'Foole.
Finland and Sweden being invited into NATO is a big kick in the balls for old Vlad and he's pretty pissed about it. He'll take what he can get out of Ukraine, leave just enough troops to hold it and send everyone else up north so he can put on a show of force before the U.S. elections get here. Or as much a show of force as he can achieve after getting most of his stuff blown up in Ukraine.
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Finland and Sweden being invited into NATO is a big kick in the balls for old Vlad and he's pretty pissed about it. He'll take what he can get out of Ukraine, leave just enough troops to hold it and send everyone else up north so he can put on a show of force before the U.S. elections get here. Or as much a show of force as he can achieve after getting most of his stuff blown up in Ukraine.
I do not blame him, but he already had that baked in. Russia aint as pissed about Nordic countries joining as they were when Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia joined.
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I do not blame him, but he already had that baked in. Russia aint as pissed about Nordic countries joining as they were when Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia joined.
We're in a pretty dangerous time. Vlad probably thought he would have taken the entirety of Ukraine by now and he blames the rest of the world and their support and equipment for bogging him down. Now he's watching NATO set up camp on his border up north and he's feeling threatened too. I think he's going to blow.
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I do not blame him, but he already had that baked in. Russia aint as pissed about Nordic countries joining as they were when Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia joined.
We're in a pretty dangerous time. Vlad probably thought he would have taken the entirety of Ukraine by now and he blames the rest of the world and their support and equipment for bogging him down. Now he's watching NATO set up camp on his border up north and he's feeling threatened too. I think he's going to blow.
This is a proxy war between NATO and Russia. Finland while being neutral always supplied intel to the West, so those two joining NATO aint no biggie for Moscow.
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This is a proxy war between NATO and Russia. Finland while being neutral always supplied intel to the West, so those two joining NATO aint no biggie for Moscow.
Sure hope so, last thing the world needs is even more crap going on right now.
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Quote from: "Oliver Clotheshoffe" post_id=462013 time=1656556085 user_id=3349
Finland and Sweden being invited into NATO is a big kick in the balls for old Vlad and he's pretty pissed about it. He'll take what he can get out of Ukraine, leave just enough troops to hold it and send everyone else up north so he can put on a show of force before the U.S. elections get here. Or as much a show of force as he can achieve after getting most of his stuff blown up in Ukraine.
I do not blame him, but he already had that baked in. Russia aint as pissed about Nordic countries joining as they were when Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia joined.
Exactly....
If Putin was a woman, we would be praising him for his empowerment.
Dumb cunts.
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If Putin was a woman, we would be praising him for his empowerment.
Dumb cunts.
Boris Johnson says a woman president of Russia would have allowed Ukraine to become a NATO with American troops on it's border. :crazy:
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If Putin was a woman, we would be praising him for his empowerment.
Dumb cunts.
Boris Johnson says a woman president of Russia would have allowed Ukraine to become a NATO with American troops on it's border. :crazy:
Margaret Thatcher wouldnt have allowed it.
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Quote from: "iron horse jockey" post_id=462430 time=1656792862 user_id=2015
Boris Johnson says a woman president of Russia would have allowed Ukraine to become a NATO with American troops on it's border. :crazy:
Margaret Thatcher wouldnt have allowed it.
What has happened to the British Conservative Party. How could a party once lead by the Iron Lady choose the likes of David Cameron or BoJo.
Russia controls twenty percent of Ukraine.
Ukrainians are in a very difficult situation because they're running out of ammunition, they're being outgunned on the battlefield.
Russia's defense minister said Russian forces took control Sunday of the last major Ukrainian-held city in Ukraine's Luhansk province, bringing Moscow closer to its stated goal of seizing all of Ukraine's Donbas region.
Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu told President Vladimir Putin that Russia's troops together with members of a local separatist militia "have established full control over the city of Lysychansk," a ministry statement said.
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Russia controls twenty percent of Ukraine.
Ukrainians are in a very difficult situation because they're running out of ammunition, they're being outgunned on the battlefield.
Ukraine is losing badly now. But, you would never know it watching the news.
According to some sources, Russia spends 60k artillery shells per day.
Quote from: Odinson post_id=462707 time=1656974612 user_id=136
According to some sources, Russia spends 60k artillery shells per day.
I think the Russians were gifted with some Western armaments after they took over Luhansk.
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Quote from: "iron horse jockey" post_id=462553 time=1656876452 user_id=2015
Russia controls twenty percent of Ukraine.
Ukrainians are in a very difficult situation because they're running out of ammunition, they're being outgunned on the battlefield.
Ukraine is losing badly now. But, you would never know it watching the news.
They deserve to lose....
European Commission chief Ursula von der Leyen said Wednesday that the 27-nation European Union needs to make emergency plans to prepare for a complete cut-off of Russian gas in the wake of the Kremlin's war in Ukraine.
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European Commission chief Ursula von der Leyen said Wednesday that the 27-nation European Union needs to make emergency plans to prepare for a complete cut-off of Russian gas in the wake of the Kremlin's war in Ukraine.
I find it bizarre that a group of leaders who view ANY nation as a threat, would continue to do business with that nation. This seems to be the achilles heel of modern representative governments.
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European Commission chief Ursula von der Leyen said Wednesday that the 27-nation European Union needs to make emergency plans to prepare for a complete cut-off of Russian gas in the wake of the Kremlin's war in Ukraine.
I find it bizarre that a group of leaders who view ANY nation as a threat, would continue to do business with that nation. This seems to be the achilles heel of modern representative governments.
Serves developed countries right for relying on foreign gas instead of producing their own.
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I find it bizarre that a group of leaders who view ANY nation as a threat, would continue to do business with that nation. This seems to be the achilles heel of modern representative governments.
Serves developed countries right for relying on foreign gas instead of producing their own.
Agreed! ac_drinks
I bet you werent expecting this when you signed up for military service.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kIQ9R25hXPo
Quote from: Odinson post_id=462923 time=1657130307 user_id=136
I bet you werent expecting this when you signed up for military service.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kIQ9R25hXPo
In Canada recruits would expect that.
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I bet you werent expecting this when you signed up for military service.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kIQ9R25hXPo
I saw this video.
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European Commission chief Ursula von der Leyen said Wednesday that the 27-nation European Union needs to make emergency plans to prepare for a complete cut-off of Russian gas in the wake of the Kremlin's war in Ukraine.
It's more like the Ukrainian (and allies) war on Russia.
Bitch speaks rubbish....
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European Commission chief Ursula von der Leyen said Wednesday that the 27-nation European Union needs to make emergency plans to prepare for a complete cut-off of Russian gas in the wake of the Kremlin's war in Ukraine.
It's more like the Ukrainian (and allies) war on Russia.
Bitch speaks rubbish....
The Western narrative of expansionist Russia conquering nations without warning or reason is one humdred percent false.
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Quote from: "Dinky Dazza" post_id=462994 time=1657174092 user_id=1676
It's more like the Ukrainian (and allies) war on Russia.
Bitch speaks rubbish....
The Western narrative of expansionist Russia conquering nations without warning or reason is one humdred percent false.
Of course...
Like a bully telling its victim "stop hitting yourself...stop hitting yourself!"....
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The Western narrative of expansionist Russia conquering nations without warning or reason is one humdred percent false.
Of course...
Like a bully telling its victim "stop hitting yourself...stop hitting yourself!"....
The analogy I would have used is that of a bully who has been provoking their victim for a long time and blaming that victim when they say enough is enough.
The people in Europe who welcomed Ukrainian refugees to their homes, are now kicking them out.
The trendy phase wore out
Nobody cares about you or your pet Uke anymore.
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The people in Europe who welcomed Ukrainian refugees to their homes, are now kicking them out.
The trendy phase wore out
Nobody cares about you or your pet Uke anymore.
Back to cats.
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I bet you werent expecting this when you signed up for military service.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kIQ9R25hXPo
In Canada recruits would expect that.
During war, I can see liberals whining about our guys wearing nazi insignia and not respecting peoples pronouns... Thats like the worst thing.
The war-paint and actions are supposed to be non-pc.
Heavens forbid if they shout racial profanities... :shock:
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Quote from: "Shen Li" post_id=462931 time=1657135491 user_id=56
In Canada recruits would expect that.
During war, I can see liberals whining about our guys wearing nazi insignia and not respecting peoples pronouns... Thats like the worst thing.
The war-paint and actions are supposed to be non-pc.
Heavens forbid if they shout racial profanities... :shock:
There will be something like Nuremberg set up to prosecute soldiers who didn't use proper pronouns.
The global supply of urea was already being impacted by ongoing supply chain issues, but this worsened after the invasion of Ukraine on February 24.
Russia's government has also weighed suspending fertilizer and urea(used for DEF fluid required in diesel vehicles) exports, while China, another major exporter of urea, has placed restrictions on exports.
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The global supply of urea was already being impacted by ongoing supply chain issues, but this worsened after the invasion of Ukraine on February 24.
Russia's government has also weighed suspending fertilizer and urea(used for DEF fluid required in diesel vehicles) exports, while China, another major exporter of urea, has placed restrictions on exports.
Believe it or not, DEF production and use creates shitloads of CO2.
Bale wrapper price has gone up 30% from last year.
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The global supply of urea was already being impacted by ongoing supply chain issues, but this worsened after the invasion of Ukraine on February 24.
Russia's government has also weighed suspending fertilizer and urea(used for DEF fluid required in diesel vehicles) exports, while China, another major exporter of urea, has placed restrictions on exports.
Believe it or not, DEF production and use creates shitloads of CO2.
I don't know anything about DEF. But, this link says it lowers C02.
https://kus-usa.com/resources/what-is-diesel-exhaust-fluid/
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Quote from: Lokmar post_id=463166 time=1657305127 user_id=3351
Believe it or not, DEF production and use creates shitloads of CO2.
I don't know anything about DEF. But, this link says it lowers C02.
https://kus-usa.com/resources/what-is-diesel-exhaust-fluid/
Its the production process. Its made from Natural Gas
https://marketrealist.com/p/def-shortage/
DEF's main function is to break down oxides of nitrogen. I saw in the article you linked to that they make the claim that it lowers CO2 but I've never read that in the technology papers so I cant comment on that.
Ironically, the entire diesel catalyst system produces tons more CO2 over the life of the truck. I'm not necessarily against that. Its just a fact that combustion reactions all get turned into something and there's no way all emissions can become water, nitrogen, and CO2 without adding energy to the process. It used to be, any engine converted fuel into moving energy and whatever spewed out of the tailpipe, who cares. Turbocharging was added to make more power but consequently aided in a more complete combustion process. Electronic fuel injection was added in the 90's which cleaned it up greatly. It was decided to remove the particulates about 10 years later and Diesel Oxide Catalysts (DOC's) and Diesel Particulate Filters (DPF's) were added to the exhaust system. In order to make this system work, a diesel fuel injector had to be added after the turbo to add heat into the exhaust stream to aid in the combustion process. This costs 1MPG. Now that doesnt sound like much to a car driver but a big rig got about 8MPG and it cost them 1MPG which is pretty big. This process eliminated about 95% of diesel particulate emissions in comparison to 1989. The trade off was a large increase in CO2 production. Finally, they instituted the SCR which uses Urea derived from Natural Gas. All these chemical reactions come at a cost of producing something that someone has demonized.
DEF is about reducing real pollutants not C02.
The Biden administration on July 8 announced it is sending another $400 million in aid to Ukraine to "meet critical needs for Ukraine's fight" in the ongoing Ukraine–Russia war.
The money comes from a Presidential Drawdown (PDA) of equipment from the Pentagon's inventories—the 15th such authorization for Ukraine since August 2021 under the Biden administration.
The security assistance package includes four additional High Mobility Rocket Systems (HIMARS) and additional ammunition for the systems. The systems have a range of about 40 miles and allow Ukraine forces the power to strike faraway targets with more accuracy.
The senior defense official told reporters the additional HIMARS would bring the total number of these systems to 12.
WW3 any day now....
Quote from: "Dinky Dazza" post_id=463385 time=1657418350 user_id=1676
WW3 any day now....
Progs latest crisis.
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WW3 any day now....
Progs latest crisis.
WW3 will be the culmination of all the prog's crises'...
NATO has become the new corona vaccine.
Any kind of critique towards Nato leads to a lot of hate.
It used to be cool to hate Nato... People used to think of it as a warmongering organization.
Greta Thunberg shared an anti-Nato photo and she is getting hate for it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i17mgRK3GX8
Quote from: Odinson post_id=463390 time=1657419209 user_id=136
NATO has become the new corona vaccine.
Any kind of critique towards Nato leads to a lot of hate.
It used to be cool to hate Nato... People used to think of it as a warmongering organization.
You nailed it.
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DEF is about reducing real pollutants not C02.
Yep. Its about reducing oxides of nitrogen.
The problems are:
1. libtards declared CO2 a pollutant.
2. libtards say they hate carbon energy (yet waste it and create more CO2 producing DEF)
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Quote from: "iron horse jockey" post_id=463348 time=1657400200 user_id=2015
DEF is about reducing real pollutants not C02.
Yep. Its about reducing oxides of nitrogen.
The problems are:
1. libtards declared CO2 a pollutant.
2. libtards say they hate carbon energy (yet waste it and create more CO2 producing DEF)
Same with wind and solar. Mining for rare earth metals produces more C02.
Not out of the woods yet with this Erdogan business.
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Not out of the woods yet with this Erdogan business.
Is he blocking Sweden and Finland's NATO bids?
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Not out of the woods yet with this Erdogan business.
Is he blocking Sweden and Finland's NATO bids?
Yeah.
He is still upset about the terrorists.
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Quote from: "iron horse jockey" post_id=465837 time=1658339927 user_id=2015
Is he blocking Sweden and Finland's NATO bids?
Yeah.
He is still upset about the terrorists.
What or who are ya talking about? The Kurds?
Hungarian prime minister Viktor Orban criticized the European Union's strategy of imposing sanctions on Russia for invading Ukraine, saying it is hurting the bloc.
The Hungarian leader said the EU "should not side with the Ukrainians, but position itself" between both Kyiv and Moscow.
The EU sanctions "will not change" the course of the war and "the Ukrainians will not come out victorious," he said, pointing to the Russian military's "asymmetrical dominance."
Hungary is among the European nations most dependent on Russian natural gas, receiving about 85 percent of its needs from the Kremlin-controlled Gazprom company.
The world is fucked and truth is glossed over or suppressed outwardly.
Covid jabs are finally being reported on accurately but will the climate change hoax ever slow down?
No.... because they've moved onto calling the repercussions of the jabs on supposed "Monkeypox" and have moved the goalposts yet again over Climate Change to growing crops and raising livestock.
These motherfuckers want most of us dead, de-armed, and docile.
Ulrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy and his wife Olena Zelenska were able to find the time between the non-stop rigors of cashing in on all those billions of U.S. aid dollars, for a little photo shoot with Vogue magazine.
https://twitter.com/OzraeliAvi/status/1552157739618824192?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1552157739618824192%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.theblaze.com%2Fshows%2Fthe-news-why-it-matters%2Fzelenskyy-and-wife-vogue
https://twitter.com/loganclarkhall/status/1552009719509925888?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1552009719509925888%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.theblaze.com%2Fshows%2Fthe-news-why-it-matters%2Fzelenskyy-and-wife-vogue
Her bodyguards are all women.
Girl power!
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Her bodyguards are all women.
Girl power!
Are their salaries paid for by American taxpayers?
Personally, I'm not opposed to making Russia bleed for taking Ukraine. I suspect this will run its course without a world war within a year either way.
Pelosi is set to stop in Taiwan without CCP approval. Pelosi is in the chain of asendency for US leadership. Biden is toast and has been thoroughly toasted since they rolled out his drug amped body on the campaign trail... and Kamala is a total train wreck and fuckwit.
Things might get really interesting and soon, peeps.
I hope you all saved printed copies of family photos and documents....
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Pelosi is set to stop in Taiwan without CCP approval. Pelosi is in the chain of asendency for US leadership. Biden is toast and has been thoroughly toasted since they rolled out his drug amped body on the campaign trail... and Kamala is a total train wreck and fuckwit.
Things might get really interesting and soon, peeps.
I hope you all saved printed copies of family photos and documents....
I've got my nuke pills and a basement along with a supply of canned goods and of course, guns and ammo. I bought nuke pills for my kids in Florida too although they dont really have suitable structures to hide out in.
Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy has said his government is ordering the mandatory evacuation of people in the eastern Donetsk region, the scene of fierce fighting with Russia.
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Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy has said his government is ordering the mandatory evacuation of people in the eastern Donetsk region, the scene of fierce fighting with Russia.
Why? Is he going to missile strike them yet again and feels new-found pangs of guilt?
That motherfucker is worse than a US Democrat.
I hope to see him suffer and have it televised one day
The west hasn't given nearly enough weapons to alter the course of the war so Russia will slowly grind down Ukraine. You can already see the Kherson offensive didn't amount to much and by the end of the year NATO's small stocks will be exhausted with little less to send. Russia's army is corrupt, poorly trained, and poorly equipped but faced off against an equally untrained Ukraine army which lacks weapons or ammo? It is clear who will win.
Sadly, Biden (and most of the other NATO leaders) have yet to actually increase defense production where as Russia went full on towards national defense production a quarter year ago. Biden is not serious and is just doing his usual speeches and token efforts without doing any of the needed long term planning for production. The guy is a waste of space. I mean he is still strangling new oil development in the US, Dems just outlawed or made much harder to mine minerals in the U.S. (which is insane given global shortages), and he has shown zero leadership on things like fertilizer or defense production. It is all politics as usual without any of the needed hard rethinking getting down.
The Ukrainian military is bombing Donetsk, the capital of the Donetsk People's Republic.
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The Ukrainian military is bombing Donetsk, the capital of the Donetsk People's Republic.
Ukraine is killing it's former citizens for the crime of separating. Is Volodomyr Zelensky Chinese.
Amnesty is reporting something that a lot of us have been aware of since the beginning.
The Uke army is using civilian areas as military positions.
https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2022/08/ukraine-ukrainian-fighting-tactics-endanger-civilians/
Ukrainian forces have put civilians in harm's way by establishing bases and operating weapons systems in populated residential areas, including in schools and hospitals, as they repelled the Russian invasion that began in February, Amnesty International said today.
Such tactics violate international humanitarian law and endanger civilians, as they turn civilian objects into military targets. The ensuing Russian strikes in populated areas have killed civilians and destroyed civilian infrastructure.
"We have documented a pattern of Ukrainian forces putting civilians at risk and violating the laws of war when they operate in populated areas," said Agnès Callamard, Amnesty International's Secretary General.
"Being in a defensive position does not exempt the Ukrainian military from respecting international humanitarian law."
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Amnesty is reporting something that a lot of us have been aware of since the beginning.
The Uke army is using civilian areas as military positions.
https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2022/08/ukraine-ukrainian-fighting-tactics-endanger-civilians/
Ukrainian forces have put civilians in harm's way by establishing bases and operating weapons systems in populated residential areas, including in schools and hospitals, as they repelled the Russian invasion that began in February, Amnesty International said today.
Such tactics violate international humanitarian law and endanger civilians, as they turn civilian objects into military targets. The ensuing Russian strikes in populated areas have killed civilians and destroyed civilian infrastructure.
"We have documented a pattern of Ukrainian forces putting civilians at risk and violating the laws of war when they operate in populated areas," said Agnès Callamard, Amnesty International's Secretary General.
"Being in a defensive position does not exempt the Ukrainian military from respecting international humanitarian law."
:shock:
That is kind of unavoidable. That is the hard truth.
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That is kind of unavoidable. That is the hard truth.
Do you mean to regain lost territory Oerdin?
I mean if you are fighting on a 3000km front and the front is always moving somewhat then, by necessity, Armies AR going to have to take advantage of civilian resources that are there. To do things like take showers, crap in a toilet, charge equipment, use land line telephones, etc... That goes doubly for HQ detachments. Unless they are using those buildings as human shields (the way Russia has repeatedly done in this war, see how they fire from right next to nuclear power plants to discourage counter battery fire) then that doesn't even break the Ge ieva or Hangue conventions.
I suspect A.nesty is doing a fair bit of talking out of their ass here just like they usually do. They are an advocacy group and a very politically motivated one who often throws objectivity or even just factual reality out the window.
Quote from: Odinson post_id=468666 time=1659634417 user_id=136
Amnesty is reporting something that a lot of us have been aware of since the beginning.
The Uke army is using civilian areas as military positions.
https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2022/08/ukraine-ukrainian-fighting-tactics-endanger-civilians/
Ukrainian forces have put civilians in harm's way by establishing bases and operating weapons systems in populated residential areas, including in schools and hospitals, as they repelled the Russian invasion that began in February, Amnesty International said today.
Such tactics violate international humanitarian law and endanger civilians, as they turn civilian objects into military targets. The ensuing Russian strikes in populated areas have killed civilians and destroyed civilian infrastructure.
"We have documented a pattern of Ukrainian forces putting civilians at risk and violating the laws of war when they operate in populated areas," said Agnès Callamard, Amnesty International's Secretary General.
"Being in a defensive position does not exempt the Ukrainian military from respecting international humanitarian law."
Zelenskyy is scum.
Putin is scum as well.
He can be scummy where it's required but he's not scum.
This is the Ukraine and Ukrainians I know...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Su5w5kjxGHw
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This is the Ukraine and Ukrainians I know...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Su5w5kjxGHw
Only thirty to forty per cent of weapons ends up in the Ukrainian army's hands.
:shock:
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This is the Ukraine and Ukrainians I know...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Su5w5kjxGHw
Only thirty to forty per cent of weapons ends up in the Ukrainian army's hands.
:shock:
It's selective accounting... our financial systems are and have been gutted.
The economic collapses aren't just going on for everyone to see or sense, the American dollar and most other Western nation's fiat are dead.
How long they can prop it up is anyone's guess.... but you Fash should be thinking about food, water, and heating..... and a bit of a non-fiat nest-egg.... whatever that is.... it could be precious metals, a pantry, good camping gear, or even digital currencies... I dunno.... but get as many of them as you can however you see fit.
I care for my vehicles more than my properties. That's more important to me. So today I spent 2.1 k just getting my vehicle functioning perfectly...
I got ripped off even booking it in by 300-400 dollars and we both knew it.... the guy behind the counter and me....
And when I paid up the remainder (had to do a 10 percent deposit before when booking), I had to remind the staff that I already kicked in 200 bucks to get the ball rolling when paying.... AND I had told these people when booking that I replaced the air filter days before... but when I picked the vehicle up.... the counterstaff had to go out back and ask the mechanic for it.... because he was going to keep it after they replaced all filters.... I suspect.... I heard part of their conversation and went yup.... the fucker was going to keep it for himself or a mate with the same make and model...
They brought it out in a different manufacturer box and I checked... everyone is robbing everyone these days.
Make sure your vehicle can easily drive away from this shit.
I'm preparing for the end, but a different end than you are..
While I'm here on earth, it's one day at a time.
Moscow is milking its oil cash cow, earning hundreds of millions of dollars every day to bankroll the invasion of Ukraine and buy domestic support for the war. Once European sanctions against Russian crude exports kick in from November, the region's governments will face some tough choices as the energy crisis starts to bite consumers and companies.
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This is the Ukraine and Ukrainians I know..
Only a president as corrupt as Jim Crow Joe would give blank cheques to a leader as corrupt as Zelenskyy.
People are asking why dont the russian soldiers just desert if they dont like the war.
The same people who lack the mental strength to resist any trend Twitter feed throws at them.
They are so afraid of upsetting POCs and other minorities... None of these bitches have the strength to go against military hierarchy.
You´ll just die a meaningless death and then some other guy does your job.
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People are asking why dont the russian soldiers just desert if they dont like the war.
The same people who lack the mental strength to resist any trend Twitter feed throws at them.
They are so afraid of upsetting POCs and other minorities... None of these bitches have the strength to go against military hierarchy.
You´ll just die a meaningless death and then some other guy does your job.
I'm all for Russia's inside on this... doesn't mean I like Russia but it doesn't mean I hate it.
They're being heavily fucked with over the years and for no provocations of their own.... so fuck America...
They're just jealous of Russia....
You know Canada is one of the core founding members of NATO/OTAN and Ukraine is fighting for their own freedom and their very country itself says a lot about them and they earned respect and admiration around the world and in fact united us even more.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i0IIKa3B1z4
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You know Canada is one of the core founding members of NATO/OTAN and Ukraine is fighting for their own freedom and their very country itself says a lot about them and they earned respect and admiration around the world and in fact united us even more.
You should talk to Herman about this. He hates Zelensky and blames him and NATO.
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You know Canada is one of the core founding members of NATO/OTAN and Ukraine is fighting for their own freedom and their very country itself says a lot about them and they earned respect and admiration around the world and in fact united us even more.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i0IIKa3B1z4
Bidens America and NATO =
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NOt4jsV59uw
We barely get reports on the war anymore.
Does Russia still control about one quarter of Ukraine's territory?
President Joe Biden's administration has asked Congress for nearly $12 billion in additional funding for Ukraine, on top of tens of billions the United States has already committed.
The administration wants $11.7 billion for "security and economic assistance" to be delivered in the first quarter of fiscal year 2023, which starts on Oct. 1, 2022.
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President Joe Biden's administration has asked Congress for nearly $12 billion in additional funding for Ukraine, on top of tens of billions the United States has already committed.
The administration wants $11.7 billion for "security and economic assistance" to be delivered in the first quarter of fiscal year 2023, which starts on Oct. 1, 2022.
And most of that goes into supporting the forces of corruption.
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President Joe Biden's administration has asked Congress for nearly $12 billion in additional funding for Ukraine, on top of tens of billions the United States has already committed.
The administration wants $11.7 billion for "security and economic assistance" to be delivered in the first quarter of fiscal year 2023, which starts on Oct. 1, 2022.
And most of that goes into supporting the forces of corruption.
They are allegations that Ukraine is selling US supplies on the black market.
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And most of that goes into supporting the forces of corruption.
They are allegations that Ukraine is selling US supplies on the black market.
They are and have been.
Russia will not resume its gas supplies to Europe until the West lifts its sanctions.
I don't blame them one bit.
It's not in their best interest to have to silver spoon feed the West with gas while the West sits in its high chair throwing hissy fits, chunder, and sharp utensils.
Most logical people recognise it's not Russia who has caused energy and food problems.... it's the authoritarian West who couldn't give two shits about treating independent nations with dignity and respect.
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I don't blame them one bit.
It's not in their best interest to have to silver spoon feed the West with gas while the West sits in its high chair throwing hissy fits, chunder, and sharp utensils.
Most logical people recognise it's not Russia who has caused energy and food problems.... it's the authoritarian West who couldn't give two shits about treating independent nations with dignity and respect.
The sanctions are hurting EU nations the most.
Quote from: "Dinky Dazza" post_id=474341 time=1662534226 user_id=1676
I don't blame them one bit.
It's not in their best interest to have to silver spoon feed the West with gas while the West sits in its high chair throwing hissy fits, chunder, and sharp utensils.
Most logical people recognise it's not Russia who has caused energy and food problems.... it's the authoritarian West who couldn't give two shits about treating independent nations with dignity and respect.
It's mostly the United Socialist States of America. Fuck, I hate that country.
My electricity used to be as cheap as in Laos.
Now its as expensive as in Thailand.
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My electricity used to be as cheap as in Laos.
Now its as expensive as in Thailand.
In other words, the electricty price hikes in Finland are not as severe as the rest of the EU.
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My electricity used to be as cheap as in Laos.
Now its as expensive as in Thailand.
In other words, the electricty price hikes in Finland are not as severe as the rest of the EU.
Technically it tripled.
But its still way below the average rates in Canada.
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In other words, the electricty price hikes in Finland are not as severe as the rest of the EU.
Technically it tripled.
But its still way below the average rates in Canada.
Canada should have the cheapest electricity, fuel and home heating in the world. Ideological rigidity keeps all of them artificially high.
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Russia will not resume its gas supplies to Europe until the West lifts its sanctions.
I hope Europeans start demanding sanctions be lifted.
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Russia will not resume its gas supplies to Europe until the West lifts its sanctions.
I hope Europeans start demanding sanctions be lifted.
Europe and California have been the testing grounds for these Great Reset (or Great Bullshit) initiatives.
There's a 50/50 chance the people will continue to go willingly down the garden path no matter how many food and fuel shortages this northern hemisphere winter transpire. They could all lose power, their incomes, ability to source food....yet demand something be done about it despite prior supporting the mechanisms for their own personal lives demise...
But that's socialists for you... they never fucking learn or fucking shut up.
They just spread misery like a puppy with no idea why the newspapers are in the corners of rooms.
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Quote from: Herman post_id=474407 time=1662590112 user_id=1689
I hope Europeans start demanding sanctions be lifted.
Europe and California have been the testing grounds for these Great Reset (or Great Bullshit) initiatives.
There's a 50/50 chance the people will continue to go willingly down the garden path no matter how many food and fuel shortages this northern hemisphere winter transpire. They could all lose power, their incomes, ability to source food....yet demand something be done about it despite prior supporting the mechanisms for their own personal lives demise...
But that's socialists for you... they never fucking learn or fucking shut up.
They just spread misery like a puppy with no idea why the newspapers are in the corners of rooms.
Canada too.....not when Stephen Harper was prime minister, but yes under Justin Trsudeau.
Russia's Defense Ministry announced Saturday that it was pulling back troops from two areas in Ukraine's eastern Kharkiv region where a Ukrainian counteroffensive has made significant advances in the past week.
The news came after days of apparent advances by Ukraine south of Kharkiv, the country's second-largest city, in what could become the biggest battlefield success for Ukrainian forces since they thwarted a Russian attempt to seize the capital, Kyiv, at the start of the nearly seven-month war.
Zelenskyy will address the most important U.S. defense contractors at a significant military conference in the United States later this month. Zelenskyy will be a keynote speaker at the military conference in Austin, Texas
Does anyone still believe the US didn't intigate this war on behalf of it's military contractors,
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Zelenskyy will address the most important U.S. defense contractors at a significant military conference in the United States later this month. Zelenskyy will be a keynote speaker at the military conference in Austin, Texas
Does anyone still believe the US didn't intigate this war on behalf of it's military contractors,
It's just theatre.... for when the vast majority of the Earth's population gets culled and the stooges that be need to point towards a reason behind why they've constantly made the worst choices in the leadership class over a number of many years (now so far detached from humanity that it's a brain dead evil cult)....
Most of these stooges are compartmentalised and don't know much more than the people they're overlord'ng on. They're just in it for the personal enrichment and warm feelz/bragging/party behaviour....
Look at this shit I just watched last night.... about 6 episodes where an eco terrorist group decides to use a bacteria originally designed to break down oil spills in the ocean to poison EVERY fucking oil operation around the world at the same time.... planes are dropping out of the skies.... passenger vehicles bursting into flames.... people are on foot, far from homes, hungry, thirsty, with little barrel wash available....
https://youtu.be/KmPOJ2FiUmA
Which is mildly being showcased in the news TODAY.
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/09/climate-change-activists-disrupts-dairy-supply-across-uk-disabling-milk-trucks-processing-plants-video0/
So called Eco activists are letting the air out of tyres in the Western countries because it won't lead to a prison sentence if no real damage occurs.... but now they're fucking up milk supplies because milking an animal but not killing it is now horrible.... and not just letting air out of tyres.
When I read that yesterday after watching that obviously government psych ops beforehand , my first thought and impulse was to order extra stuff.... space be damned.
These motherfuckers want us dead and killing each other for remaining resources.
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Does Russia still control about one quarter of Ukraine's territory?
At 20% though about 3000km2 less than a week ago.
Quote from: Herman post_id=474696 time=1662856723 user_id=1689
Zelenskyy will address the most important U.S. defense contractors at a significant military conference in the United States later this month. Zelenskyy will be a keynote speaker at the military conference in Austin, Texas
Does anyone still believe the US didn't intigate this war on behalf of it's military contractors,
No, the US did not instigate this war, Putin did. To find out why (as opposed to Putin's propaganda bull shit) read some Peter Zeihan. Short version: Russia's Demographically dying as a nation, it geography is indefensible, in WW2 the only thing they could do was throw endless manpower at the enemy but now it just doesn't have the needed manpower, Putin wants to annex former USSR states to give them more time, and ultimately he wants to reach nine specific geographic choke points. That way Russia can deploy defensive forces in those geographic choke points.
The problem? Many of those choke points are in NATO and this would mean Russia is trying to control 300 million people which is twice the Russian population. Russia sees this as an existential crisis and that their country dies unless they get it though. Thus why this is scary as fuck and why we need to stop their expansion in Ukraine otherwise Putin will launch WW3.
https://youtu.be/6qBPzznGvaw
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Quote from: Herman post_id=474696 time=1662856723 user_id=1689
Zelenskyy will address the most important U.S. defense contractors at a significant military conference in the United States later this month. Zelenskyy will be a keynote speaker at the military conference in Austin, Texas
Does anyone still believe the US didn't intigate this war on behalf of it's military contractors,
No, the US did not instigate this war, Putin did. To find out why (as opposed to Putin's propaganda bull shit) read some Peter Zeihan. Short version: Russia's Demographically dying as a nation, it geography is indefensible, in WW2 the only thing they could do was throw endless manpower at the enemy but now it just doesn't have the needed manpower, Putin wants to annex former USSR states to give them more time, and ultimately he wants to reach nine specific geographic choke points. That way Russia can deploy defensive forces in those geographic choke points.
The problem? Many of those choke points are in NATO and this would mean Russia is trying to control 300 million people which is twice the Russian population. Russia sees this as an existential crisis and that their country dies unless they get it though. Thus why this is scary as fuck and why we need to stop their expansion in Ukraine otherwise Putin will launch WW3.
The US certainly instigated this war and to say otherwise is ignorance.
You need to put the crack pipe down and come back to reality.
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You need to put the crack pipe down and come back to reality.
:confused1:
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You need to put the crack pipe down and come back to reality.
:confused1:
Americans are blinded by their patriotism and can't handle being corrected on it, Fash....
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:confused1:
Americans are blinded by their patriotism and can't handle being corrected on it, Fash....
Some are I suppose.
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:confused1:
Americans are blinded by their patriotism and can't handle being corrected on it, Fash....
No, I just live in factual reality instead of deranged conspiracy theory land. You should try it sometime.
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Quote from: "Dinky Dazza" post_id=474735 time=1662949813 user_id=1676
Americans are blinded by their patriotism and can't handle being corrected on it, Fash....
No, I just live in factual reality instead of deranged conspiracy theory land. You should try it sometime.
You think the States didn't instigate the war?
No, Russia decided to invade. That is what instigated the war.
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No, Russia decided to invade. That is what instigated the war.
Harris offering NATO membership to Ukraine was not a factor?
Harris didn't offer Jack shit and doesn't have the power to do anything of the kind. Pure falsehood. What NATO did say was eventually Ukraine might be allowed to join NATO but the process would likely take 20 years or more as Ukraine needed drastic reforms to be completed before it could be allowed in. That policy was agreed in 2008. Ukraine made very little progress on the M.A.P. process though.
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Quote from: "Dinky Dazza" post_id=474735 time=1662949813 user_id=1676
Americans are blinded by their patriotism and can't handle being corrected on it, Fash....
No, I just live in factual reality instead of deranged conspiracy theory land. You should try it sometime.
Yeah, sure, whatever....
It's obvious that your cognitive dissonance is rather thick and no minds will be changed.
It is just reality and has been the official NATO position since 2008. So one of us is having trouble reconciling with reality but it is definitely you.
There were provocations by NATO and the US.
t has become especially fashionable in such circles to insist that NATO's expansion to Russia's border was in no way responsible for the current Ukraine crisis. Many dismiss all arguments to the contrary as "echoing Putin's talking points," "siding with Putin," or circulating Russian propaganda and "disinformation." Leaving aside the ugly miasma of McCarthyism enveloping such allegations, the underlying argument is factually wrong.
Russian leaders and several Western policy experts were warning more than two decades ago that NATO expansion would turn out badly—ending in a new cold war with Russia at best, and a hot one at worst. Obviously, they were not "echoing" Putin or anyone else. George Kennan, the intellectual architect of America's containment policy during the Cold War, perceptively warned in a May 2, 1998 New York Times interview what NATO's move eastward would set in motion. "I think it is the beginning of a new cold war," he stated. "I think the Russians will gradually react quite adversely and it will affect their policies. I think it is a tragic mistake."
Yet Washington still refused to back off. Instead, the Trump and Biden administrations poured weapons into Ukraine, approved joint military exercises between U.S. and Ukrainian forces, and even prodded the allies to include Ukraine in NATO war games.
In late 2021, it became clear that the Kremlin's restraint had run dry. Moscow issued demands for security guarantees, including a draw‐down of military forces already deployed in NATO's eastern members. With respect to Ukraine, the demand was very clear and uncompromising: Not only would Kyiv never receive a membership invitation, but NATO weapons and troops would never be deployed on Ukrainian soil. When the West failed to provide those guarantees, Putin launched his devastating, full‐scale war.k
Basically.... yes.
You can't push a former superpower with even better tech now to subscribe to your one world government vision.
NATO and by default the major portion of NATO (the US) have continued to box Russia in despite all the guarantees.
This isn't a very recent revelation for Russia... they saw the signs in the 90's but couldn't act on them at the time.
So Russia bit it's tongue until they were strong enough to withstand further provocations.... and ain't that the way of formerly powerful nations reduced into rubble or poverty.
The West wants Russia like a creepy old paedophile wants his granddaughter's friends at a sleep-over.
It's disgusting to watch old USSR vs America Cold War rhetoric play out all over again, and for the most part, Russia is pretty fucking innocent.
Putin is a cunt and deadly against his adversaries... but so were all the people like Muammar Gaddafi, Bashar al-Assad, Saddam Hussein.... yet they held their nations or hold them in some sense of civility.... but that civility doesn't welcome Western think-tank incursions.... so that's why we western peoples will suffer this winter and summer, possibly starve ourselves, and go into massive debt.
Anyone who days independent nations should not be freely able to pick their defense associations is at best an imperialist and at worst a fascist. They all decided to join NATO off their own free will because they knew what evil sons of untrustworthy bitches Russians are. Russia doesn't get to decide that only they get to decide for themselves. There is also a reason Ukraine wants to join (though is not being allowed to do so) because it wants safety and freedom from Russian imperial ambitions.
No, that is not a "provacation" that is free people deciding what is in their own best interests exactly like independent countries should do.
If I were Putin, I would be placing those defensive ballistic nuclear attack missiles on Cuba again.
The Cubans have the right to decide for themselves.
Its not a provocation.
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Anyone who days independent nations should not be freely able to pick their defense associations is at best an imperialist and at worst a fascist. They all decided to join NATO off their own free will because they knew what evil sons of untrustworthy bitches Russians are. Russia doesn't get to decide that only they get to decide for themselves. There is also a reason Ukraine wants to join (though is not being allowed to do so) because it wants safety and freedom from Russian imperial ambitions.
No, that is not a "provacation" that is free people deciding what is in their own best interests exactly like independent countries should do.
I wonder how long it will be before Russia descends into chaos & social upheaval. Putin sent all the poor people & minorities to fight & die in this war. Surely those affected will eventually realize this disparity of unequal treatment and will revolt.
Ay some point theyre just gonna decide they won't stand for it anymore.
Quote from: Oerdin post_id=474825 time=1663079980 user_id=3374
Anyone who days independent nations should not be freely able to pick their defense associations is at best an imperialist and at worst a fascist. They all decided to join NATO off their own free will because they knew what evil sons of untrustworthy bitches Russians are. Russia doesn't get to decide that only they get to decide for themselves. There is also a reason Ukraine wants to join (though is not being allowed to do so) because it wants safety and freedom from Russian imperial ambitions.
No, that is not a "provacation" that is free people deciding what is in their own best interests exactly like independent countries should do.
Start using your noodle, Yankee Doodle.
The US and Europe are behaving like bullying cunts.
Quote from: "Dinky Dazza" post_id=474842 time=1663108043 user_id=1676
Quote from: Oerdin post_id=474825 time=1663079980 user_id=3374
Anyone who days independent nations should not be freely able to pick their defense associations is at best an imperialist and at worst a fascist. They all decided to join NATO off their own free will because they knew what evil sons of untrustworthy bitches Russians are. Russia doesn't get to decide that only they get to decide for themselves. There is also a reason Ukraine wants to join (though is not being allowed to do so) because it wants safety and freedom from Russian imperial ambitions.
No, that is not a "provacation" that is free people deciding what is in their own best interests exactly like independent countries should do.
Start using your noodle, Yankee Doodle.
The US and Europe are behaving like bullying cunts.
This shit has been going on for thirty one years. Russia is finally saying enough is enough.
Putin just wants an empire and he is making up excuses for it. Fact. Fortunately, he will fail miserably.
Putin doesn't want the West gobbling up land around his borders through the derelict NATO who have been taking their marching orders from Western fuckwits to crush modern day Russia's ability to function as a sovereign nation.
And don't be in doubt that the West is trying to turn Russia into a prospective fish in a barrel by positioning strategic missile systems all along its borders in key areas which could strike major Russian metropolitan systems in virtually no time.
The US and Europe have become the USSR, and it's disgusting to witness.
Think outside the box.
If your country was being surrounded, sanctioned, squeezed out through no fault of your own....how the fuck would you feel?
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Putin doesn't want the West gobbling up land around his borders through the derelict NATO who have been taking their marching orders from Western fuckwits to crush modern day Russia's ability to function as a sovereign nation.
And don't be in doubt that the West is trying to turn Russia into a prospective fish in a barrel by positioning strategic missile systems all along its borders in key areas which could strike major Russian metropolitan systems in virtually no time.
The US and Europe have become the USSR, and it's disgusting to witness.
Think outside the box.
If your country was being surrounded, sanctioned, squeezed out through no fault of your own....how the fuck would you feel?
Russia put up with this shit from 1991-2014.
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Quote from: "Dinky Dazza" post_id=474905 time=1663221699 user_id=1676
Putin doesn't want the West gobbling up land around his borders through the derelict NATO who have been taking their marching orders from Western fuckwits to crush modern day Russia's ability to function as a sovereign nation.
And don't be in doubt that the West is trying to turn Russia into a prospective fish in a barrel by positioning strategic missile systems all along its borders in key areas which could strike major Russian metropolitan systems in virtually no time.
The US and Europe have become the USSR, and it's disgusting to witness.
Think outside the box.
If your country was being surrounded, sanctioned, squeezed out through no fault of your own....how the fuck would you feel?
Russia put up with this shit from 1991-2014.
Not long before the real chaos breaks out, brother....
Al Omar Oilfield just got struck in Syria.... Azerbaijan is flinging shit at Armenia despite the Russian brokered peace deal, most of Europe are commencing lights out and heat downs in the face of the winter cold not even arriving yet.
All the foods we're currently consuming have been grown in previous seasons for the most part and with the lack of cheap LPG, yields will sharply decline in the next one simply for lack of fertilisers in large scale farms.... no heating, no fuel, no growth yields, no diesel to get the diminished amounts to market or supermarkets.
And Russia isn't the culprit. It's us... it's the West. We've done this to ourselves.... or rather, our so called leaders have done it on our behalf.... because we're mostly poor useless eaters in their esteemed estimations and the planet would be unicorn farts and glittery fairy nipples if just 75% of us just died... BUT NOT TOO quick lest a stampede gets started and they're out in the open.
We ain't seen nothing yet.....
China and Russia aim to lead the world towards a new international order, according to one of the Chinese Communist Party's (CCP) highest-ranking diplomats.
"The Chinese side is willing to work with the Russian side to continuously implement high-level strategic cooperation between the two countries, safeguard common interests, and promote the development of the international order in a more just and reasonable direction," said CCP Politburo member Yang Jiechi, according to a statement by the Foreign Ministry.
"The relationship between the two countries has always been on the right track, and both sides firmly support each other on issues relating to their core interests."
https://www.theepochtimes.com/china-and-russia-vow-more-just-international-order-ahead-of-putin-xi-meeting-top-ccp-diplomat_4727591.html?utm_source=morningbriefnoe-ai&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=mb-2022-09-15-ai-28&est=dORh1MbtZqcUa%2BxZD4PWk%2BH8f1fR%2BmaLA7FIftGs%2BqqcrlH3qMt%2Fax6xz4fi7bULWA%3D%3D
Could the US have instigated this war to block a multi polar world. This area is not my speciality.
They have found another mass-grave and are immediately calling it a warcrime.
The Russians have put all the civilian casualties in a mass-grave.
I'll believe it when I'm able to again read from literature in 30 years time produced by an antique mechanical press....
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China and Russia aim to lead the world towards a new international order, according to one of the Chinese Communist Party's (CCP) highest-ranking diplomats.
"The Chinese side is willing to work with the Russian side to continuously implement high-level strategic cooperation between the two countries, safeguard common interests, and promote the development of the international order in a more just and reasonable direction," said CCP Politburo member Yang Jiechi, according to a statement by the Foreign Ministry.
"The relationship between the two countries has always been on the right track, and both sides firmly support each other on issues relating to their core interests."
https://www.theepochtimes.com/china-and-russia-vow-more-just-international-order-ahead-of-putin-xi-meeting-top-ccp-diplomat_4727591.html?utm_source=morningbriefnoe-ai&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=mb-2022-09-15-ai-28&est=dORh1MbtZqcUa%2BxZD4PWk%2BH8f1fR%2BmaLA7FIftGs%2BqqcrlH3qMt%2Fax6xz4fi7bULWA%3D%3D
Could the US have instigated this war to block a multi polar world. This area is not my speciality.
I know China will do what is best for the long term goals.
Vladimir Putin told Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi on Friday during a meeting on the sidelines of the Shanghai Cooperation Organization's summit that he wanted to end the conflict in Ukraine "as soon as possible."
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I'll believe it when I'm able to again read from literature in 30 years time produced by an antique mechanical press....
I do believe they have found a mass-grave... Its a war and dead people are everywhere.
What makes you think that these people were victims of a war-crime?
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Vladimir Putin told Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi on Friday during a meeting on the sidelines of the Shanghai Cooperation Organization's summit that he wanted to end the conflict in Ukraine "as soon as possible."
I hope a peace will be reached that addresses Russia's NATO encroachment concerns.
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I'll believe it when I'm able to again read from literature in 30 years time produced by an antique mechanical press....
I do believe they have found a mass-grave... Its a war and dead people are everywhere.
What makes you think that these people were victims of a war-crime?
I believe very little of anything...
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I'll believe it when I'm able to again read from literature in 30 years time produced by an antique mechanical press....
I do believe they have found a mass-grave... Its a war and dead people are everywhere.
What makes you think that these people were victims of a war-crime?
It's war and there are casualties. But, that don't make it genocide.
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I do believe they have found a mass-grave... Its a war and dead people are everywhere.
What makes you think that these people were victims of a war-crime?
It's war and there are casualties. But, that don't make it genocide.
Oscar the drunk American expat was hanging shit because two Russian soldier's corpses were found after their army had to withdraw quickly because of Western help.
I should have asked him what the Azov's did to their remains....
I no longer believe anything American, Canadian, and British media report about the war.
China has been spotted driving into Ukraine.....
https://www.bitchute.com/video/GYOhWgYz4wqJ/
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Quote from: Herman post_id=475032 time=1663476110 user_id=1689
It's war and there are casualties. But, that don't make it genocide.
Oscar the drunk American expat was hanging shit because two Russian soldier's corpses were found after their army had to withdraw quickly because of Western help.
I should have asked him what the Azov's did to their remains....
Oh ffs. Oscar is not a drunk, he's not employed in the logging industry and he doesn't live in Haida Gwaii. He's an ignorant, effeminate, urban white libtard.
Quote from: "Shen Li" post_id=475079 time=1663548929 user_id=56
Quote from: "Dinky Dazza" post_id=475039 time=1663487932 user_id=1676
Oscar the drunk American expat was hanging shit because two Russian soldier's corpses were found after their army had to withdraw quickly because of Western help.
I should have asked him what the Azov's did to their remains....
Oh ffs. Oscar is not a drunk, he's not employed in the logging industry and he doesn't live in Haida Gwaii. He's an ignorant, effeminate, urban white libtard.
Can't he be both? :laugh:
Quote from: "Dinky Dazza" post_id=475080 time=1663549110 user_id=1676
Quote from: "Shen Li" post_id=475079 time=1663548929 user_id=56
Oh ffs. Oscar is not a drunk, he's not employed in the logging industry and he doesn't live in Haida Gwaii. He's an ignorant, effeminate, urban white libtard.
Can't he be both? :laugh:
No, he can't be a lumberjack from Haida Gwai which he pretends to be and a Vancouver white libtard who has never done a real day's labour in his entire 70+ years, which is what he actually is.
He is a spamming poster incapable of critical thought. He drove away several good posters with his threadjacking horseshit. He is on par with Seadunce. A forum cancer.
Quote from: "Shen Li" post_id=475081 time=1663549409 user_id=56
Quote from: "Dinky Dazza" post_id=475080 time=1663549110 user_id=1676
Can't he be both? :laugh:
No, he can't be a lumberjack from Haida Gwai which he pretends to be and a Vancouver white libtard who has never done a real day's labour in his entire 70+ years, which is what he actually is.
He is a spamming poster incapable of critical thought. He drove away several good posters with his threadjacking horseshit. He is on par with Seadunce. A forum cancer.
I don't know much about him, but it is obvious enough he is a prog sheeple. No guy working as a logger would shill for prog causes that fuck the working man.
The narrative the media wants to convey is that Ukraine is winning. I don't know.
It's not winning anything but large gifts of cash and weapons....
Quote from: "Dinky Dazza" post_id=475107 time=1663624647 user_id=1676
It's not winning anything but large gifts of cash and weapons....
Giving billions and billions of dollars worth of aid to Zelenskyy. It don't get any crazier than that.
The Donbas will hold a referendum on union with Russia. It will go Moscow's way.
https://www.euronews.com/2022/09/20/russia-controlled-donbas-areas-to-hold-referendums-to-join-russia
Russian-controlled regions of eastern and southern Ukraine announced plans Tuesday to start voting this week to become integral parts of Russia.
The concerted and quickening Kremlin-backed efforts to swallow up four regions could set the stage for Moscow to escalate the war after recent Ukrainian successes on the battlefield.
The scheduling of referendums starting Friday in the Luhansk, Kherson and partly Russian-controlled Zaporizhzhia and Donetsk regions came after a close ally of Russian President Vladimir Putin said the votes are needed and as Moscow is losing ground in the invasion it began nearly seven months ago, increasing pressure on the Kremlin for a stiff response.
Former President Dmitry Medvedev, the deputy head of Russia's Security Council chaired by Putin, said referendums that fold regions into Russia itself would make redrawn frontiers "irreversible" and enable Moscow to use "any means" to defend them.
The votes, in territory Russia already controls with Kremlin-installed local regimes, are all but certain to go Moscow's way.
In Donetsk, part of Ukraine's wider Donbas region that has been gripped by rebel fighting since 2014 and which Putin has set as a primary objective of the invasion, separatist leader Denis Pushilin said the vote will "restore historic justice" to the territory's "long-suffering people."
They "have earned the right to be part of the great country that they always considered their motherland," he said.
In partly Russian-occupied Zaporizhzhia, pro-Russia activist Vladimir Rogov said: "The faster we become part of Russia, the sooner peace will come."
Funny how they are planning to stop Russian civilians from crossing the border.
"we dont know who they are... Might be a security risk".
But muslims who have severed heads in the Social-Media, are welcome.
And ISIS-wives got flown in with a charter-flight from a prison camp for ISIS-fighters.
Quote from: Odinson post_id=475272 time=1663872652 user_id=136
Funny how they are planning to stop Russian civilians from crossing the border.
"we dont know who they are... Might be a security risk".
But muslims who have severed heads in the Social-Media, are welcome.
And ISIS-wives got flown in with a charter-flight from a prison camp for ISIS-fighters.
Your government wants to stop Russians from entering Finland?
Quote from: Fashionista post_id=475273 time=1663873214 user_id=3254
Quote from: Odinson post_id=475272 time=1663872652 user_id=136
Funny how they are planning to stop Russian civilians from crossing the border.
"we dont know who they are... Might be a security risk".
But muslims who have severed heads in the Social-Media, are welcome.
And ISIS-wives got flown in with a charter-flight from a prison camp for ISIS-fighters.
Your government wants to stop Russians from entering Finland?
The whole EU wants to stop them.
Quote from: Odinson post_id=475333 time=1663931309 user_id=136
Quote from: Fashionista post_id=475273 time=1663873214 user_id=3254
Your government wants to stop Russians from entering Finland?
The whole EU wants to stop them.
Why?
[size=150]Russian man trolls Europe by streaming gas stove burning 24/7 for 1.44 Euros a month -[/size]
https://twitter.com/CynicalSceptic_/status/1572594599243452417
Quote from: "Oliver Clotheshoffe" post_id=475393 time=1663955894 user_id=3349
I love it. ac_toofunny ac_lmfao :roll:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CEqoy_3eqsM&ab_channel=GuardianNews
President Vladimir Putin's conscription order is not going over well in Russia. Until now, Putin's policy of maintaining a "business as usual" facade during the war was generally working. There were few protests and certainly no mass uprisings.
The order calling up 300,000 men — and possibly more — has changed that.
How desperate are young Russian men to avoid the draft? Newsweek reports that a trending search online has been "как сломать руку в домашних условиях," or "how to break an arm at home." After Putin's speech announcing conscription, search requests for that term skyrocketed.
No one expects thousands of young men to injure themselves deliberately. But leaving the country has become an epidemic. Young Russians are fleeing the country. One-way airplane tickets out of Russia have sold out. Anti-draft protesters are taken to enlistment centers and ordered to join the military. And everywhere, there is fear.
"Everyone is very scared now," a young man identified as "Danil," told the Financial Times.. "If you could find a way to ignore it before, now there's no way."
https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/rick-moran/2022/09/23/trending-search-in-russia-how-to-break-your-arm-at-home-n1631688
European countries are blocking Russian men fleeing conscription from entering their countries. They didn't block Syrian men, or any other Middle Eastern men who claimed they were Syrian from entering and claiming welfare.
The referendums are underway in Donetsk and Luhansk.
There are reports of British troops on the streets of London now in the early hours of the morning and various other rare sightings of troops, convoys, or movements in China, Russia, and elsewhere. The garbage MSM is trying their best to ignore these happenings.
I suspect world war is fully underway and we'll be told officially when it can no longer be glossed over.
Quote from: "Dinky Dazza" post_id=475436 time=1663990007 user_id=1676
There are reports of British troops on the streets of London now in the early hours of the morning and various other rare sightings of troops, convoys, or movements in China, Russia, and elsewhere. The garbage MSM is trying their best to ignore these happenings.
I suspect world war is fully underway and we'll be told officially when it can no longer be glossed over.
I have not heard a dang thing.
Quote from: Herman post_id=475439 time=1663990402
Quote from: "Dinky Dazza" post_id=475436 time=1663990007 user_id=1676
There are reports of British troops on the streets of London now in the early hours of the morning and various other rare sightings of troops, convoys, or movements in China, Russia, and elsewhere. The garbage MSM is trying their best to ignore these happenings.
I suspect world war is fully underway and we'll be told officially when it can no longer be glossed over.
I have not heard a dang thing.
Video clips on social media platforms....
Russia will announce the annexation of four regions of Ukraine in the coming days..
They represent about fifteen per cent of Ukraine's territory or about the size of Portugal or New Brunswick.
The referendums have already passed. Eastern Ukrainians overwhelmingly voted to return to Russia, and who can blame them....
Quote from: "Dinky Dazza" post_id=475732 time=1664378523 user_id=1676
. Eastern Ukrainians overwhelmingly voted to return to Russia, and who can blame them....
Yes, I know.
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The U.S. Embassy in Moscow has urged all Americans in Russia to flee the nation following President Vladimir Putin's "partial mobilization" decree last week.
"Russia may refuse to acknowledge dual nationals' U.S. citizenship, deny their access to U.S. consular assistance, prevent their departure from Russia, and conscript dual nationals for military service," the embassy warned Tuesday.
The embassy warned that the ability to leave Russia has already become increasingly difficult with limited commercial flights and crowded border check points.
"Those residing or traveling in Russia should depart Russia immediately while limited commercial travel options remain," the statement released by the embassy added.
https://www.foxnews.com/world/americans-should-flee-russia-immediately-wake-mobilization-us-embassy-urges
Quote from: "Oliver Clotheshoffe" post_id=475739 time=1664391635 user_id=3349
https://i.imgur.com/q7nqBUb.gif[/img]
The U.S. Embassy in Moscow has urged all Americans in Russia to flee the nation following President Vladimir Putin's "partial mobilization" decree last week.
"Russia may refuse to acknowledge dual nationals' U.S. citizenship, deny their access to U.S. consular assistance, prevent their departure from Russia, and conscript dual nationals for military service," the embassy warned Tuesday.
The embassy warned that the ability to leave Russia has already become increasingly difficult with limited commercial flights and crowded border check points.
"Those residing or traveling in Russia should depart Russia immediately while limited commercial travel options remain," the statement released by the embassy added.
https://www.foxnews.com/world/americans-should-flee-russia-immediately-wake-mobilization-us-embassy-urges
Ya, whatever United States.
Quote from: "Oliver Clotheshoffe" post_id=475739 time=1664391635 user_id=3349
https://i.imgur.com/q7nqBUb.gif[/img]
The U.S. Embassy in Moscow has urged all Americans in Russia to flee the nation following President Vladimir Putin's "partial mobilization" decree last week.
"Russia may refuse to acknowledge dual nationals' U.S. citizenship, deny their access to U.S. consular assistance, prevent their departure from Russia, and conscript dual nationals for military service," the embassy warned Tuesday.
The embassy warned that the ability to leave Russia has already become increasingly difficult with limited commercial flights and crowded border check points.
"Those residing or traveling in Russia should depart Russia immediately while limited commercial travel options remain," the statement released by the embassy added.
https://www.foxnews.com/world/americans-should-flee-russia-immediately-wake-mobilization-us-embassy-urges
Russia don't want woke Americans in their army.
The US sabotaged the pipeline.
The US or its allies with full prior consultation.
Quote from: "Shen Li" post_id=475758 time=1664423205 user_id=56
The US sabotaged the pipeline.
hmmm

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Quote from: "Oliver Clotheshoffe" post_id=475779 time=1664481146 user_id=3349

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ac_wot
I don't know which side is winning. I do know the United States is spending extraordinary amounts of money helping one side.
Quote from: Thiel post_id=475792 time=1664499464 user_id=1688
I don't know which side is winning. I do know the United States is spending extraordinary amounts of money helping one side.
Why stop at giving Afghanistan 85 billion dollars USD of weaponry, supplies, and in some cases left behind cash? Not to mention the win?
The US is trying to outdo its past record in the Guiness Book of Failing Empire Historical Records.
It's already hundreds of years ahead of any challengers from the Woke Games.... :laugh3:
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Vladimir Putin has hosted a so-called signing ceremony and made a speech from the Kremlin in Moscow announcing the illegal seizure of four areas of Ukraine.
After the appointed leaders of the territories and the Russian leader signed formal documents, the audience in the grand hall chanted "Russia! Russia! Russia!".
The Russian leader claimed the so-called referendums in Donetsk, Luhansk, Kherson and Zaporizhzhia - which have been branded a sham in the West - were the "will of millions of people".
Putin said the land being seized would benefit from Russia rebuilding "the ruins in towns and villages" - despite the fact it was Russia that caused the destruction.
https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-63077272
Alternative link for those who may be offended by the above link - https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/putin-annex-ukraines-donetsk-luhansk-kherson-zaporizhzhia-rcna50133
Quote from: "Oliver Clotheshoffe" post_id=475814 time=1664548643 user_id=3349
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Vladimir Putin has hosted a so-called signing ceremony and made a speech from the Kremlin in Moscow announcing the illegal seizure of four areas of Ukraine.
After the appointed leaders of the territories and the Russian leader signed formal documents, the audience in the grand hall chanted "Russia! Russia! Russia!".
The Russian leader claimed the so-called referendums in Donetsk, Luhansk, Kherson and Zaporizhzhia - which have been branded a sham in the West - were the "will of millions of people".
Putin said the land being seized would benefit from Russia rebuilding "the ruins in towns and villages" - despite the fact it was Russia that caused the destruction.
https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-63077272
Now Russia can claim they are defending their own territory.
Russia has already said that this gives them the right to use nuclear weapons as soon as they find out for sure who sabotaged the pipeline.
Quote from: "Oliver Clotheshoffe" post_id=475814 time=1664548643 user_id=3349
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Vladimir Putin has hosted a so-called signing ceremony and made a speech from the Kremlin in Moscow announcing the illegal seizure of four areas of Ukraine.
After the appointed leaders of the territories and the Russian leader signed formal documents, the audience in the grand hall chanted "Russia! Russia! Russia!".
The Russian leader claimed the so-called referendums in Donetsk, Luhansk, Kherson and Zaporizhzhia - which have been branded a sham in the West - were the "will of millions of people".
Putin said the land being seized would benefit from Russia rebuilding "the ruins in towns and villages" - despite the fact it was Russia that caused the destruction.
https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-63077272
BBC isn't journalism.... it's utter rubbish like the CBC or Australian ABC, or PBS/NPR in the US....
Please don't post such garbage unless you're rightfully mocking it.
https://www.bitchute.com/video/4hRh9dx88ll8/
Quote from: "Dinky Dazza" post_id=475841 time=1664575892 user_id=1676
Quote from: "Oliver Clotheshoffe" post_id=475814 time=1664548643 user_id=3349
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Vladimir Putin has hosted a so-called signing ceremony and made a speech from the Kremlin in Moscow announcing the illegal seizure of four areas of Ukraine.
After the appointed leaders of the territories and the Russian leader signed formal documents, the audience in the grand hall chanted "Russia! Russia! Russia!".
The Russian leader claimed the so-called referendums in Donetsk, Luhansk, Kherson and Zaporizhzhia - which have been branded a sham in the West - were the "will of millions of people".
Putin said the land being seized would benefit from Russia rebuilding "the ruins in towns and villages" - despite the fact it was Russia that caused the destruction.
https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-63077272
BBC isn't journalism.... it's utter rubbish like the CBC or Australian ABC, or PBS/NPR in the US....
Please don't post such garbage unless you're rightfully mocking it.
They aren't best sources to quote.
Combined with Crimea, which Moscow annexed from Kyiv in 2014, Russia now lays claim to roughly 20% of Ukraine. Zelensky announced that Kyiv was applying for accelerated accession to NATO.
That corrupt and murderous motherfucker....
Quote from: Herman post_id=475848 time=1664603496
Combined with Crimea, which Moscow annexed from Kyiv in 2014, Russia now lays claim to roughly 20% of Ukraine. Zelensky announced that Kyiv was applying for accelerated accession to NATO.
Would they be allowed in?
Quote from: "Dinky Dazza" post_id=475841 time=1664575892 user_id=1676
BBC isn't journalism.... it's utter rubbish like the CBC or Australian ABC, or PBS/NPR in the US....
Please don't post such garbage unless you're rightfully mocking it.
Okay, so which of the other 50,000 media outlets reporting the same story should I use?
Quote from: "Oliver Clotheshoffe" post_id=475877 time=1664643414 user_id=3349
Quote from: "Dinky Dazza" post_id=475841 time=1664575892 user_id=1676
BBC isn't journalism.... it's utter rubbish like the CBC or Australian ABC, or PBS/NPR in the US....
Please don't post such garbage unless you're rightfully mocking it.
Okay, so which of the other 50,000 media outlets reporting the same story should I use?
Ones that are actually accurate, fair, and balanced.
Good luck, Chuck....
It does appear the American military is winning the war in Ukraine. Notice I said American and not Ukrainian.
Don't believe the MSM....
Quote from: "Dinky Dazza" post_id=475884 time=1664666259 user_id=1676
Ones that are actually accurate, fair, and balanced.
Good luck, Chuck....
Very well, Fox News then! :thumbup:
The only way I see NATO directly intervening is if Putin actually uses a nuke in Ukraine.
I´m gonna have to buy iodine pills.
And also, why do liberals want to destroy the world so badly?
Quote from: Brent post_id=475886 time=1664667027
It does appear the American military is winning the war in Ukraine. Notice I said American and not Ukrainian.
There are no Americans fighting in Ukraine though NATO is assisting with Intel, with equipment, financing, and training.
Quote from: Oerdin post_id=476843 time=1665802299 user_id=3374
Quote from: Brent post_id=475886 time=1664667027
It does appear the American military is winning the war in Ukraine. Notice I said American and not Ukrainian.
There are no Americans fighting in Ukraine though NATO is assisting with Intel, with equipment, financing, and training.
There are heaps of Americans and NATO assets fighting in Ukraine... check the labels when you want to understand the ingredients.
And incidentally, they're not winning.... they're only managing to raise the real prospect of world conflict and billions dead immediately or slowly expiring before their natural shelf life....
...but the West loves that kind of thing.
There are no soldiers from NATO engaged in combat in Ukraine. To claim otherwise is a lie. Providing equipment to help a Democracy which has been invaded by a totalitarian neighbor in a war of aggression is not being a combatant.
There are probably American or other western officers helping the Ukrainian command.
The Ukes are as corrupt and incompetent as their Russian counterparts so we gotta move their troops for them.
They are using tactics from the American rulebook at larger level... But their basic infantry tactics at smaller level are still shockingly bad.
Its because the soldiers are poorly trained but some1 competent is helping them to be in right place at the right time.
The Russians arent very smart.
Look at this moron.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rn1yNPOXPdo
The mines are clearly visible because they were planted by Private Doofy.
Quote from: Oerdin post_id=476878 time=1665853802 user_id=3374
There are no soldiers from NATO engaged in combat in Ukraine. To claim otherwise is a lie. Providing equipment to help a Democracy which has been invaded by a totalitarian neighbor in a war of aggression is not being a combatant.
Okay, Karen...
Quote from: Odinson post_id=476701 time=1665694028 user_id=136
I´m gonna have to buy iodine pills.
https://www.nukepills.com/
Anything named that url isn't likely to save you but could conceivably make you far worse.
Quote from: "Dinky Dazza" post_id=477073 time=1665983993 user_id=1676
Quote from: Oerdin post_id=476878 time=1665853802 user_id=3374
There are no soldiers from NATO engaged in combat in Ukraine. To claim otherwise is a lie. Providing equipment to help a Democracy which has been invaded by a totalitarian neighbor in a war of aggression is not being a combatant.
Okay, Karen...
Telling the factual truth does not make one a Karen. Lying does make one a liar though. It is a lie to claim NATO has combat forces in Ukraine.
:001_rolleyes:
Ok, Karen...
Russia has figured out they'd be absolutely slaughtered in a war with NATO so I don't believe they will opt for that. Putin is already failing badly in Ukraine as it is.
:001_rolleyes:
Since Americans are paying for Ukraine's war efforts, American taxpayers have every right to demand a negotiated settlement.
How are we free?
The Russians are free'er.
They only got one thing they cant say.... We have dozens.
Apparently I'm not allowed to choose to read RussiaToday.
Apparently I need some1 to babysit me.
I was watching videos of Bald and Bankrupt in Ukraine, before the war started
Depressing
Yes, most of the former USSR is depressing. That is what communism does.
Quote from: Odinson post_id=478163 time=1666607449 user_id=136
How are we free?
The Russians are free'er.
They only got one thing they cant say.... We have dozens.
Apparently I'm not allowed to choose to read RussiaToday.
Apparently I need some1 to babysit me.
Get a VPN....
Quote from: Odinson post_id=478163 time=1666607449 user_id=136
Apparently I'm not allowed to choose to read RussiaToday.
Apparently I need some1 to babysit me.
Is that the one that's having the big to-do about the presenter that said Ukrainian children should be drowned?
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/oct/24/russian-tv-presenter-anton-krasovsky-accused-of-inciting-genocide-in-ukraine
Quote from: "Oliver Clotheshoffe" post_id=478324 time=1666665172 user_id=3349
Quote from: Odinson post_id=478163 time=1666607449 user_id=136
Apparently I'm not allowed to choose to read RussiaToday.
Apparently I need some1 to babysit me.
Is that the one that's having the big to-do about the presenter that said Ukrainian children should be drowned?
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/oct/24/russian-tv-presenter-anton-krasovsky-accused-of-inciting-genocide-in-ukraine
I know folks who wish I drowned as a kid. I am Ukrainian.
Quote from: "Oliver Clotheshoffe" post_id=478324 time=1666665172 user_id=3349
Quote from: Odinson post_id=478163 time=1666607449 user_id=136
Apparently I'm not allowed to choose to read RussiaToday.
Apparently I need some1 to babysit me.
Is that the one that's having the big to-do about the presenter that said Ukrainian children should be drowned?
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/oct/24/russian-tv-presenter-anton-krasovsky-accused-of-inciting-genocide-in-ukraine
Maybe he watched a Ukrainian soldier boiling a decapitated head of a Russian soldier?
...well, because we all know that Ukrainian soldiers are model human beings who would never buy into an eternal hatred fostered by Nazi's who've secretively embedded in the Ukrainian society and psyche since 45....
Heaven forbid such a video exists... or numerous other videos exist on the daily.
(But I can't repost them here or anywhere)
They get scrubbed within minutes or hours on EVERY platform, and not just the corporate ones.
A group of liberal Democratic representatives wants Joe Biden to negotiate with Russia.
They say they want to avoid a prolonged conflict between Ukraine and Russia.
The US has provided Ukraine with $60 billion in aid, and says it's up to Kyiv when to negotiate.
A group of 30 liberal Democratic representatives urged President Joe Biden to pursue negotiations with Russia to end the war in Ukraine, in the first sign of disagreement in the party over the White House's strategy.
In a letter to Biden, the lawmakers, led by Washington Rep. Pramila Jayapal, said that direct negotiations with Russia should be opened in order to avoid prolonging the war even further.
"Given the destruction created by this war for Ukraine and the world, as well as the risk of catastrophic escalation, we also believe it is in the interests of Ukraine, the United States, and the world to avoid a prolonged conflict," the members of the House of Representatives wrote.
Quote from: Odinson post_id=478163 time=1666607449 user_id=136
How are we free?
The Russians are free'er.
They only got one thing they cant say.... We have dozens.
Apparently I'm not allowed to choose to read RussiaToday.
Apparently I need some1 to babysit me.
Maybe you should move to Russia, dude? That way you can learn just how shitty it really is.
Yesterday I saw a video of Ukes destroying several ruskie tanks in a row
My guess is that those Javelins cost more than the tanks.
Quote from: Rancidmilko post_id=478499 time=1666715572 user_id=2853
Yesterday I saw a video of Ukes destroying several ruskie tanks in a row
My guess is that those Javelins cost more than the tanks.
My concern is our ability to produce more. The brain dead geezer may just give away enough of our shit to make us vulnerable. Maybe already has.
Quote from: Oerdin post_id=478473 time=1666707874 user_id=3374
Quote from: Odinson post_id=478163 time=1666607449 user_id=136
How are we free?
The Russians are free'er.
They only got one thing they cant say.... We have dozens.
Apparently I'm not allowed to choose to read RussiaToday.
Apparently I need some1 to babysit me.
Maybe you should move to Russia, dude? That way you can learn just how shitty it really is.
Russia is quite nice.
Belgium warns that in the event of escalation Brussels is gonna be destroyed first..
I'm like... As long its not the town I live in.
Nobody cares about the EU meeting place.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9mMLF2nzkk
Time to play the game enjoy., Salva Ukraine. Freedom and Democracy FTW
Does anyone seriously think a country with the 55th highest GDP per capita has expansionist plans. The invasion of Ukraine is an act of desperation by a middle income country that is being bullied by the most powerful country in the world.
Quote from: "Dinky Dazza" post_id=478551 time=1666734252 user_id=1676
Quote from: Oerdin post_id=478473 time=1666707874 user_id=3374
Maybe you should move to Russia, dude? That way you can learn just how shitty it really is.
Russia is quite nice.
Did you ever get outside the few main cities to the rural areas? Did you know that 30% of Russian households do not have running water or gas for heating or cooking? Did you know 15% of houses do not have electricity? Paved roads are a rarity in rural areas too. Don't even get me started on how outhouses are normal even in public schools military barracks, and regular homes in rural areas.
You can call that nice if you want but I don't think that is very nice and that is before we talk about political repression, state controlled media, and rampant corruption.
Quote from: DKG post_id=478648 time=1666786481 user_id=3390
Does anyone seriously think a country with the 55th highest GDP per capita has expansionist plans. The invasion of Ukraine is an act of desperation by a middle income country that is being bullied by the most powerful country in the world.
Telling them not to invade sovereign foreign countries and expecting them to uphold international treaties they signed to protect and uphold the borders of that sovereign independent country is now "bullying"? You have a very strange definition of bullying.
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Quote from: "Dinky Dazza" post_id=478551 time=1666734252 user_id=1676
Russia is quite nice.
Did you ever get outside the few main cities to the rural areas? Did you know that 30% of Russian households do not have running water or gas for heating or cooking? Did you know 15% of houses do not have electricity? Paved roads are a rarity in rural areas too. Don't even get me started on how outhouses are normal even in public schools military barracks, and regular homes in rural areas.
You can call that nice if you want but I don't think that is very nice and that is before we talk about political repression, state controlled media, and rampant corruption.
So roughly comparable to the US these days? Did you know that? Didda you really really know....
Lol! Just keep telling yourself that if you must but you are fooling yourself.
Quote from: Oerdin post_id=478666 time=1666804359 user_id=3374
Quote from: "Dinky Dazza" post_id=478551 time=1666734252 user_id=1676
Russia is quite nice.
Did you ever get outside the few main cities to the rural areas? Did you know that 30% of Russian households do not have running water or gas for heating or cooking? Did you know 15% of houses do not have electricity? Paved roads are a rarity in rural areas too. Don't even get me started on how outhouses are normal even in public schools military barracks, and regular homes in rural areas.
You can call that nice if you want but I don't think that is very nice and that is before we talk about political repression, state controlled media, and rampant corruption.
Most of the that kind of poverty is in the underdeveloped East and with ethnic minorities. it is a bit like Canada's Northern reserves that have third world living conditions. But, if you want to go down that route, Bahrain is one of the richest countries on earth. I have worked there. I would not want to live there again.
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Quote from: DKG post_id=478648 time=1666786481 user_id=3390
Does anyone seriously think a country with the 55th highest GDP per capita has expansionist plans. The invasion of Ukraine is an act of desperation by a middle income country that is being bullied by the most powerful country in the world.
Telling them not to invade sovereign foreign countries and expecting them to uphold international treaties they signed to protect and uphold the borders of that sovereign independent country is now "bullying"? You have a very strange definition of bullying.
Are you talking about the US in the last seventy five years?
Would the war have happened if Trump was in power instead of Biden and his puppet Zelenskyy? Not a chance he would pick a retard vp who would stand next to the Ukrainian border and call for that country to be immediately admitted to NATO. This was Russia's Cuban missile crisis monent and they handled it the way the US would have.
Quote from: Oerdin post_id=478705 time=1666821712 user_id=3374
Lol! Just keep telling yourself that if you must but you are fooling yourself.
No, I am not fooling myself. You're fooling yourself, or rather your ingrained patriotism and aged biases are...
I have been to Bahrain and it is rich due to lots of natural gas but is an absolute monarchy with a poor human rights record so I would not live there either. Even if it didn't get up to 120 degrees F.
Quote from: "Dinky Dazza" post_id=478727 time=1666829939 user_id=1676
Quote from: Oerdin post_id=478705 time=1666821712 user_id=3374
Lol! Just keep telling yourself that if you must but you are fooling yourself.
No, I am not fooling myself. You're fooling yourself, or rather your ingrained patriotism and aged biases are...
Russia is objectively a shithole and even you know it or else why haven't you moved there? Patriotism has nothing to do with it. You too could make $600 per month and live a life of poverty in Russia so why not do it?
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Quote from: "Dinky Dazza" post_id=478727 time=1666829939 user_id=1676
No, I am not fooling myself. You're fooling yourself, or rather your ingrained patriotism and aged biases are...
Russia is objectively a shithole and even you know it or else why haven't you moved there? Patriotism has nothing to do with it. You too could make $600 per month and live a life of poverty in Russia so why not do it?
I guess Norway is a shithole too. DD hasn't moved there either.
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Quote from: "Dinky Dazza" post_id=478727 time=1666829939 user_id=1676
No, I am not fooling myself. You're fooling yourself, or rather your ingrained patriotism and aged biases are...
Russia is objectively a shithole and even you know it or else why haven't you moved there? Patriotism has nothing to do with it. You too could make $600 per month and live a life of poverty in Russia so why not do it?
Ok, American dude... lulz...
Quote from: DKG post_id=478760 time=1666872975 user_id=3390
Quote from: Oerdin post_id=478758 time=1666872719 user_id=3374
Russia is objectively a shithole and even you know it or else why haven't you moved there? Patriotism has nothing to do with it. You too could make $600 per month and live a life of poverty in Russia so why not do it?
I guess Norway is a shithole too. DD hasn't moved there either.
Norway is very picky about who they let in.
Patriots need to remove their heads from their bowels....
So ignorant... so stupid.
Why? Because I point out facts you dislike? Maybe you really should spend some time in Russia just so then you could truthfully see how bad it is. Maybe then you might not shill for a corrupt and evil dictator who has oppressed an entire country.
If you don't want to do that, or can't, maybe look at some actual real life Russian vbloggers who document real life in Russia. Vasya in the hay is a good example of that as is Inside Russia.
Quote from: Oerdin post_id=478825 time=1666917932 user_id=3374
Why? Because I point out facts you dislike? Maybe you really should spend some time in Russia just so then you could truthfully see how bad it is. Maybe then you might not shill for a corrupt and evil dictator who has oppressed an entire country.
If you don't want to do that, or can't, maybe look at some actual real life Russian vbloggers who document real life in Russia. Vasya in the hay is a good example of that as is Inside Russia.
If Putin is a corrupt and evil dicator by your standards, so is Zelenskyy and more so.
Quote from: Oerdin post_id=478825 time=1666917932 user_id=3374
Why? Because I point out facts you dislike? Maybe you really should spend some time in Russia just so then you could truthfully see how bad it is. Maybe then you might not shill for a corrupt and evil dictator who has oppressed an entire country.
If you don't want to do that, or can't, maybe look at some actual real life Russian vbloggers who document real life in Russia. Vasya in the hay is a good example of that as is Inside Russia.
Am I shilling for Putin? Really?
He IS basically a dictator who has allowed himself and his cronies to be enriched by his position, but as for "oppressed" an entire country or calling him evil? Wtf?
He's modernised Russia far further than anyone else could have and relatively quickly in the grand scheme of things. As for suggesting that some parts of regional or remote Russia don't have running water (or water main connections, rather) or electrical grid connections, I can point to the very same fucking shit here in Oz or North America.
I don't have to "shill" for Russia any more than you shilling for the West... (a crumbling suicidal West at that).
WHAT I object to are the double standards America applies to other nations like Russia.
JFK stopped the Cuban Missile transfer.... he's applauded for it. Putin did the same for his country, and he's vilified for it.
Good men do evil shit sometimes, evil men do good on occasions, because there are NO truly good or evil people out there....
I wish you'd abandon this unbridled patriotism angle. It makes you look like a deranged Leftist.
Quote from: "Dinky Dazza" post_id=478855 time=1666948747 user_id=1676
Quote from: Oerdin post_id=478825 time=1666917932 user_id=3374
Why? Because I point out facts you dislike? Maybe you really should spend some time in Russia just so then you could truthfully see how bad it is. Maybe then you might not shill for a corrupt and evil dictator who has oppressed an entire country.
If you don't want to do that, or can't, maybe look at some actual real life Russian vbloggers who document real life in Russia. Vasya in the hay is a good example of that as is Inside Russia.
Am I shilling for Putin? Really?
He IS basically a dictator who has allowed himself and his cronies to be enriched by his position, but as for "oppressed" an entire country or calling him evil? Wtf?
He's modernised Russia far further than anyone else could have and relatively quickly in the grand scheme of things. As for suggesting that some parts of regional or remote Russia don't have running water (or water main connections, rather) or electrical grid connections, I can point to the very same fucking shit here in Oz or North America.
I don't have to "shill" for Russia any more than you shilling for the West... (a crumbling suicidal West at that).
WHAT I object to are the double standards America applies to other nations like Russia.
JFK stopped the Cuban Missile transfer.... he's applauded for it. Putin did the same for his country, and he's vilified for it.
Good men do evil shit sometimes, evil men do good on occasions, because there are NO truly good or evil people out there....
I wish you'd abandon this unbridled patriotism angle. It makes you look like a deranged Leftist.
How long will it be before those of us who oppose Washington's proxy war with Russia are labelled deniers.
It's already happened...
If a bully gets anal raped on the behest of another bully on the playground, it suddenly doesn't matter. One bully got one over another bully.... and the circle, the ring around them, doesn't know enough or any better to care.
Quote from: Herman post_id=478839 time=1666926172 user_id=3396
Quote from: Oerdin post_id=478825 time=1666917932 user_id=3374
Why? Because I point out facts you dislike? Maybe you really should spend some time in Russia just so then you could truthfully see how bad it is. Maybe then you might not shill for a corrupt and evil dictator who has oppressed an entire country.
If you don't want to do that, or can't, maybe look at some actual real life Russian vbloggers who document real life in Russia. Vasya in the hay is a good example of that as is Inside Russia.
If Putin is a corrupt and evil dicator by your standards, so is Zelenskyy and more so.
Possibly corrupt (though that is unproven) but how do you figure evil like Putin? Putin invades other countries to try to annex them. He uses extra judicial killings, rape of civilians, and torture as routine parts of state policy. Putler orders his military to execute POWs, deliberately starve POWs, deny health care to POWs, and deliberately targets civilians and civilian infrastructure with the deliberate goal of depopulating the area by causing civilians to flee or die. All of that violates both the Geneva and Hague conventions.
Show me where Ukraine does anything similar as part of state policy. So, no, the two are not remotely the same.
Quote from: "Dinky Dazza" post_id=478855 time=1666948747 user_id=1676
Quote from: Oerdin post_id=478825 time=1666917932 user_id=3374
Why? Because I point out facts you dislike? Maybe you really should spend some time in Russia just so then you could truthfully see how bad it is. Maybe then you might not shill for a corrupt and evil dictator who has oppressed an entire country.
If you don't want to do that, or can't, maybe look at some actual real life Russian vbloggers who document real life in Russia. Vasya in the hay is a good example of that as is Inside Russia.
Am I shilling for Putin? Really?
He IS basically a dictator who has allowed himself and his cronies to be enriched by his position, but as for "oppressed" an entire country or calling him evil? Wtf?
He's modernised Russia far further than anyone else could have and relatively quickly in the grand scheme of things. As for suggesting that some parts of regional or remote Russia don't have running water (or water main connections, rather) or electrical grid connections, I can point to the very same fucking shit here in Oz or North America.
I don't have to "shill" for Russia any more than you shilling for the West... (a crumbling suicidal West at that).
WHAT I object to are the double standards America applies to other nations like Russia.
JFK stopped the Cuban Missile transfer.... he's applauded for it. Putin did the same for his country, and he's vilified for it.
Good men do evil shit sometimes, evil men do good on occasions, because there are NO truly good or evil people out there....
I wish you'd abandon this unbridled patriotism angle. It makes you look like a deranged Leftist.
Does 1/3rd of American or Australian households lack basic utilities? Because that is how much lack basic utilities in Russia. The scale is not even remotely the same. Also, no, Putin really hasn't done much to modernize Russia as he has been profoundly indifferent to economic progress to down right hostile to it with illegal nationalizations of private business without compensation based upon trumped up excuses.
All he has done is recent realized the oil and gas businesses under the state then lived off of that. Thus why oil and gas make up 50% of the state budget. Furthermore his rampant corruption and protection racket has profoundly damaged any chance Russia had for a functioning market economy.
Thus why countries like Piland advanced so quickly post communism while Russia remains a poverty riggen shit hole that still lacks such basic infrastructure as a national road network. Literally everything has to run on railroads in most of Russia because that is all they have. Very old decrepit railroads constructed under the Tsars or the Soviets which Putin has never really bothered to modernize.
:001_rolleyes:
Here's some wanking music to go with your fucktarded views...
https://youtu.be/MYvUmhqa104
Do damage, mate...
LOL DD your desperation is funny it just shows you already lost.... Now it is about how many real human lives is it going to cost on either side to end this BS.
Pain and suffering welcome to life enjoy... Remember you wanted this... so have a nice day: howdy:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pmg6c0PASYk
democRATs and RepuplivRATs cannot let go of the cold war.
In his 2014 memoir, Duty, Robert M. Gates, who served as secretary of defense in both Bush's administration and Barack Obama's, conceded that "trying to bring Georgia and Ukraine into NATO was truly overreaching." That initiative, he concluded, was a case of "recklessly ignoring what the Russians considered their own vital national interests."
Indeed it was, and Moscow began to push back. Putin exploited a foolish provocation by Georgia's pro‐Western government to launch a military offensive that penetrated deeply into the country. Upon its victory, Russia permanently detached two secessionist‐minded Georgian regions and put them under permanent Russian control.
The Kremlin's decisive action should have alerted even slow‐learning U.S. leaders that the days of Russian officials merely issuing verbal protests about the West's steady encroachment into Russia's security sphere were over. Amazingly, though, the Obama administration still sought to turn Ukraine into a NATO political and military asset. In late 2013 and early 2014, the United States and several European governments meddled shamelessly to support the efforts of demonstrators to unseat Ukraine's generally pro‐Russia president, Victor Yanukovych, some two years before the expiration of his term.
That campaign was especially inappropriate since Yanukovych became president in 2010 as the result of an election that even the European Union and other international observers acknowledged was reasonably free and fair. In a democratic system, the legal way to remove a president from office is, depending on a specific country's constitutional rules, through a parliamentary vote of no‐confidence, impeachment, or defeat in the next election. Angry street demonstrations do not fit into any of those categories, yet the United States and its allies backed that illegal process. A recording of the infamous leaked telephone call between Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland and U.S. Ambassador to Ukraine Geoffrey Pyatt confirmed the extent of Washington's meddling in the affairs of a sovereign country.
The Ukraine episode proved to be an intolerable provocation to neighboring Russia. Putin responded by annexing the strategic Crimea peninsula and the United States and its NATO partners then imposed economic sanctions on Russia. The new cold war was on in earnest.
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LOL DD your desperation is funny it just shows you already lost.... Now it is about how many real human lives is it going to cost on either side to end this BS.
Pain and suffering welcome to life enjoy... Remember you wanted this... so have a nice day: howdy:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pmg6c0PASYk
Stop huffing petrol, please.
OHH DD why not send your kids or grandkids into this BS war?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8K31tTV554
You mongs are dragging that war into an international conflict...
Thanks to Biden's religious war in Ukraine, the US is about to run out of diesel
This summer, Germans began clear-cutting ancient forests to heat their homes. In Poland, families queued up for hours to buy coal, just like they did 150 years ago. In the U.K., the government projected that more than 10,000 Britons will freeze to death, will die, this winter for lack of heating fuel—freeze to death in England! That is not supposed to happen in a first world country.
Europe is moving backward at high speed and it's not clear where it will end. The question is: why is this happening? The answer for once is a very simple one: the war in Ukraine. That's why it's happening. A huge percentage of Europe's energy came from Russia. Those imports have now been banned, supposedly to punish Vladimir Putin. What's the result of this punishment? Well, the Russian ruble is now far stronger than it was a year ago. The European economy, meanwhile, is collapsing. Europeans are much poorer than they were when the war in Ukraine started.
The White House banned Russian oil, natural gas and coal. It was our moral duty. Then at the same time, the Biden administration crushed domestic oil production here by canceling oil and gas leases and then, as if that wasn't enough, the Biden administration sold a piece of our Strategic Petroleum Reserve, maybe this country's most important resource, to China. None of this hurt Putin in any way. All of it impoverishes the United States.
What could possibly be the justification for doing that? We've wondered. Anyone who's paying attention has had to have wondered that. Well, this week, Congressman Jamie Raskin of Maryland, of Bethesda. answered that question. Russia is an orthodox Christian country with traditional social values and for that reason, it must be destroyed, no matter what the cost to us. This is not a conventional war. This is a jihad. Jamie Raskin said that out loud, but many in Washington agree with him in both parties. They would like to see World War Trans immediately.
What is a jihad going to mean for you? The details are stunning. Thanks to the Biden administration's religious war in Ukraine, this country is about to run out of diesel fuel. According to data from the Energy Information Administration by the Monday of Thanksgiving week, (that's 25 days from now), there will be no more diesel. What's going to happen then? Well, everything will stop. That means trucks and trains and barges all unable to move.
https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/tucker-carlson-thanks-bidens-religious-war-in-ukraine-us-run-out-diesel-fuel
It's not Vladimir Putin who is responsible for Europe's energy woes and acute shortage of diesel in the US. It's not Vladimir Putin who is contunuing the war in Eastern Europe. The responsiblity or rather orresonsibility lies at the feet of Biden. I hope the GOP does well next week, and that McCarthy follows through on his threat to end Ukrainian aid. That would force Volodimir Zelensky to negotiate a settlement, ending the war and serious energy shortages.
well let's see how many more have to die then, and the pain and suffering will last for generations... no one gets out easy is what they say so let's enjoy...if they even comeback in one piece they will never be the same...
"Ideals are peaceful, history is violent" :evilthoughts2: :howdy:
Also why are you not all fighting? or sending your kids and grandkids to fight? :confused1: ac_dunno
It's not really surprising that most Dem voters want Biden to continue his proxy war with Russia. Despite no evidence that Russia changed a single vote in 2016, two thirds of Dem voters believe Russia interfered in the election to get Trump elected.
Quote from: Dinky DazzaYou mongs are dragging that war into an international conflict...
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The US proxy war in Eastern Europe is like the movie Wag The Dog.
Will the United States continue to give billions to Ukraine if the polls are correct and the Republicans emerge voctorious on Tuesday?
Actor Sean Penn gave his Oscar to President Zelensky.
For best performance by an actor in a leading role - Bucha (2022)
Quote from: OdinsonActor Sean Penn gave his Oscar to President Zelensky.
For best performance by an actor in a leading role - Bucha (2022)
Those two assholes deserve each other.
Deadly Explosions in Polish Town Near Ukraine Border, U.S. Blames Russian Missiles
Poland's Prime Minister Mateusz Morawiecki is in an emergency meeting amid reports that two stray rockets fell in a Polish town on the Ukrainian border, killing two people.
Explosions have been reported in the town of Przewodów in Lublin province on Tuesday at around 3:40 pm, killing two people at a grain dryer, with the Associated Press claiming that a "senior U.S. intelligence official" has attributed them to Russian missiles landing inside Poland — a NATO member-state.
Marcin Lebiedowicz, spokesman of the District Headquarters of the State Fire Service in Hrubieszów, initially stated that the cause of the explosion was unconfirmed, but he did say that two people had died at the scene.
A further report from broadcaster Radio ZET claimed that the explosions were caused by a pair of stray rockets and that officials from the police, the prosecutor's office, and the Polish armed forces had arrived on the scene.
https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2022/11/15/explosions-polish-town-near-ukraine-border-u-s-blames-russian-missiles/
And, so?
Quote from: Dinky DazzaAnd, so?
What happens if we all lose kiddo?
Quote from: weeblesQuote from: Dinky DazzaAnd, so?
What happens if we all lose kiddo?
Don't kiddo me... but I'll tell you what happens. The monstrosity that is modern America will lose big, population will decrease through warfare and agricultural deficits, and neighbours will turn on neighbours while that huge faggot Klaus Schwab gets his policies enacted and you (we) slowly die off.
Turns out the rocket was Ukrainian.
The USA says so.
A high-ranking Ukrainian military officer was the "coordinator" of the sabotage attack on the Nord Stream pipelines, according to a new report.
A bombshell report from the Washington Post claims that Colonel Roman Chervinsky – who reportedly has "deep ties" to Ukraine's intelligence services – coordinated the explosive attack on the Nord Stream pipelines.
Citing anonymous Ukrainian and European officials, the Washington Post and German news outlet Der Spiegel reported that Chervinsky was responsible for "managing logistics and support for a six-person team that rented a sailboat under false identities and used deep-sea diving equipment to place explosive charges on the gas pipelines."
The outlet noted that Chervinsky "did not act alone and he did not plan the operation." He allegedly took orders from higher-ranking Ukrainian military officials, who reported to Gen. Valery Zaluzhny – Ukraine's highest-ranking military officer.
https://www.theblaze.com/news/nrd-stream-pipelines-sabotage-ukrainian-special-operations-colonel?utm_source=theblaze-daily&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=The%20Blaze%20PM%20Trending%202023-11-11&utm_term=ACTIVE%20LIST%20-%207%20Day%20Engagement
This comes as no surprise.