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General Discussion => The Flea Trap => Topic started by: Anonymous on January 05, 2022, 09:02:27 AM

Title: What is sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander
Post by: Anonymous on January 05, 2022, 09:02:27 AM
We know that this latest variant has no respect for immunity. It doesn't matter if it's through vaccination or through natural immunity like I have. People are catching it and spreading it. But, it's only the unvaccinated who are subjected to draconian restrictions. This is unfair and unjust.
Title: Re: What is sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander
Post by: Anonymous on January 05, 2022, 09:54:27 AM
Quote from: seoulbro post_id=433375 time=1641391347 user_id=114
We know that this latest variant has no respect for immunity. It doesn't matter if it's through vaccination or through natural immunity like I have. People are catching it and spreading it. But, it's only the unvaccinated who are subjected to draconian restrictions. This is unfair and unjust.

You raise a good point Seoul that frankly I hadn't considered..



But, even when measured against the Omicron variant, double vaccinated are less likely to catch and transit the variant.
Title: Re: What is sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander
Post by: Anonymous on January 05, 2022, 10:20:05 AM
Quote from: Fashionista post_id=433382 time=1641394467 user_id=3254
Quote from: seoulbro post_id=433375 time=1641391347 user_id=114
We know that this latest variant has no respect for immunity. It doesn't matter if it's through vaccination or through natural immunity like I have. People are catching it and spreading it. But, it's only the unvaccinated who are subjected to draconian restrictions. This is unfair and unjust.

You raise a good point Seoul that frankly I hadn't considered..



But, even when measured against the Omicron variant, double vaccinated are less likely to catch and transit the variant.

We know that the elderly are more likely to get very sick or die. Should we subject them to discrimination.
Title: Re: What is sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander
Post by: Frood on January 05, 2022, 12:13:43 PM
Should we inject our kids so that a decaying generation feels safe?





Especially if the jabs have no long term.testing for adults much less children?



I'd die for my kids right now if necessary.



But this isn't that. Everybody must get stuck and if it goes wrong.... you get (now) a mere 10-15 years of basic salary in an award payment.



I'd rather be broke and teach my kids how to fight...
Title: Re: What is sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander
Post by: Blazor on January 05, 2022, 12:48:04 PM
Quote from: "Dinky Dazza" post_id=433394 time=1641402823 user_id=1676
Should we inject our kids so that a decaying generation feels safe?





Especially if the jabs have no long term.testing for adults much less children?



I'd die for my kids right now if necessary.



But this isn't that. Everybody must get stuck and if it goes wrong.... you get (now) a mere 10-15 years of basic salary in an award payment.



I'd rather be broke and teach my kids how to fight...


Interesting enough, look what the NYTimes has to say now.



(hope the Cashews can recognize a screen shot instead of a meme)



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Title: Re: What is sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander
Post by: kiebers on January 05, 2022, 02:19:30 PM
Quote from: Blazor post_id=433398 time=1641404884 user_id=2221
(hope the Cashews can recognize a screen shot instead of a meme)



 :MG_216:



Perhaps a couple...
Title: Re: What is sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander
Post by: Anonymous on January 06, 2022, 06:10:51 AM
Quote from: seoulbro post_id=433375 time=1641391347 user_id=114
We know that this latest variant has no respect for immunity. It doesn't matter if it's through vaccination or through natural immunity like I have. People are catching it and spreading it. But, it's only the unvaccinated who are subjected to draconian restrictions. This is unfair and unjust.

How do numbers stack up for hospitalizations and intensive care? The unvaccinated are an expensive burden.
Title: Re: What is sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander
Post by: Anonymous on January 06, 2022, 09:44:48 AM
Quote from: "iron horse jockey" post_id=433542 time=1641467451 user_id=2015
Quote from: seoulbro post_id=433375 time=1641391347 user_id=114
We know that this latest variant has no respect for immunity. It doesn't matter if it's through vaccination or through natural immunity like I have. People are catching it and spreading it. But, it's only the unvaccinated who are subjected to draconian restrictions. This is unfair and unjust.

How do numbers stack up for hospitalizations and intensive care? The unvaccinated are an expensive burden.

Are the vaccinated who catch COVID and require hospitalization an expensive burden?
Title: Re: What is sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander
Post by: cc on January 06, 2022, 01:49:16 PM
Quote from: seoulbro post_id=433581 time=1641480288 user_id=114
Quote from: "iron horse jockey" post_id=433542 time=1641467451 user_id=2015
Quote from: seoulbro post_id=433375 time=1641391347 user_id=114
We know that this latest variant has no respect for immunity. It doesn't matter if it's through vaccination or through natural immunity like I have. People are catching it and spreading it. But, it's only the unvaccinated who are subjected to draconian restrictions. This is unfair and unjust.

How do numbers stack up for hospitalizations and intensive care? The unvaccinated are an expensive burden.

Are the vaccinated who catch COVID and require hospitalization an expensive burden?

I  interpret what IHJ is getting at as the numbers & there is 2 areas of them, both areas affecting cost



Cost Area 1. (quantity) - The ratio / population of unvax in hospitals is extreme (15 to 20  vs  1) Huge difference!!

(Comparison by numbers alone is greatly misleading as the unvaxxed make up only 10% of the population, thus only comparison by numbers / population are genuine to use as comparison)



and it doesn't end there for cost comparison

Cost Area 2 (cost / person). Severity and length of stay  - on average is far greater among unvaxxed  also .. meaning on average  unvaxxed patients have much longer stays & thus  cost more / patent in this 2nd area as well



So, yes  .. on per population basis they are costing us many times more than the vaxxed  - and for both reasons above .. a double whammy



And those vaxxed have a legitimate right to be extremely unhappy about paying many times their fair share in this area of overall health care costs .. not to mention delays of operations etc. obviously as a main result of the above ratio of patients



The sick irony of it all cost-wise -  is that the vaxxed are the ones with a right to bitch but mainly are quiet - whereas those causing the great majority of hospital cost (+ operations etc. being delayed) for everyone are the greatest and loudest bitchers



In areas where each pays their own way, it's fair cost-wise. Here where we all subsidize the holdouts, it's grossly  not  fair as to personal costs
Title: Re: What is sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander
Post by: Frood on January 06, 2022, 05:46:30 PM
Quote from: seoulbro post_id=433581 time=1641480288 user_id=114
Quote from: "iron horse jockey" post_id=433542 time=1641467451 user_id=2015
Quote from: seoulbro post_id=433375 time=1641391347 user_id=114
We know that this latest variant has no respect for immunity. It doesn't matter if it's through vaccination or through natural immunity like I have. People are catching it and spreading it. But, it's only the unvaccinated who are subjected to draconian restrictions. This is unfair and unjust.

How do numbers stack up for hospitalizations and intensive care? The unvaccinated are an expensive burden.

Are the vaccinated who catch COVID and require hospitalization an expensive burden?


If the jab doesn't stop infection or transmission, it doesn't make a difference to hospitalisation rates.
Title: Re: What is sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander
Post by: cc on January 06, 2022, 05:59:39 PM
Quote from: "Dinky Dazza" post_id=433607 time=1641509190 user_id=1676
Quote from: seoulbro post_id=433581 time=1641480288 user_id=114
Quote from: "iron horse jockey" post_id=433542 time=1641467451 user_id=2015
How do numbers stack up for hospitalizations and intensive care? The unvaccinated are an expensive burden.

Are the vaccinated who catch COVID and require hospitalization an expensive burden?


If the jab doesn't stop infection or transmission, it doesn't make a difference to hospitalisation rates.

Booooing .. Duh  :sdfjh(2):



Great lessening of symptoms in favor of vaxxed have lead to a 15-20 to 1 ratio of hospitalizations (unvaxxed vs. vaxxed)  on a per population ratio as demonstrated multiple times, everywhere in the world  .. sigh



Next, Double that number by 2 as average length of stay is double



You sillies are filling hospitals worldwide at those rates



Try to keep up  ... eyes and ears before typing fingers  is always a good plan  :wink:
Title: Re: What is sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander
Post by: Trump’s Niece on January 06, 2022, 06:06:39 PM
Quote from: Fashionista post_id=433382 time=1641394467 user_id=3254
Quote from: seoulbro post_id=433375 time=1641391347 user_id=114
We know that this latest variant has no respect for immunity. It doesn't matter if it's through vaccination or through natural immunity like I have. People are catching it and spreading it. But, it's only the unvaccinated who are subjected to draconian restrictions. This is unfair and unjust.

You raise a good point Seoul that frankly I hadn't considered..



But, even when measured against the Omicron variant, double vaccinated are less likely to catch and transit the variant.








Not true
Title: Re: What is sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander
Post by: cc on January 06, 2022, 06:08:48 PM
Actually, all studies show it is true ... just not by as large a %age as against previous variants



Hospitalizations are the big factor - 15 - 20 to 1 unvaxxed vs. vaxxed worldwide (on a per population calculation)



Then there's the double stay time  .. so multiply those numbers x 2
Title: Re: What is sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander
Post by: Trump’s Niece on January 06, 2022, 06:10:59 PM
Quote from: cc post_id=433610 time=1641510528 user_id=88
Actually, all studies show it is true ... just not by as large a %age as against prvias variants






Before I respond, are you saying double vaxxed folks are not catching it/ spreading it?
Title: Re: What is sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander
Post by: cc on January 06, 2022, 06:15:49 PM
NO!!! I'm not



Many are catching it. Again by a lower percentage than unvaxxed  



 Even with that advantage, hospitalizations is where the rubber meets the road  (see above post)
QuoteHospitalizations are the big factor - 15 - 20 to 1 unvaxxed vs. vaxxed worldwide (on a per population calculation)



Then there's the double stay time .. so multiply those numbers x 2
Title: Re: What is sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander
Post by: Trump’s Niece on January 06, 2022, 06:16:54 PM
Ah ok. Got it
Title: Re: What is sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander
Post by: Frood on January 06, 2022, 06:35:13 PM
Quote from: cc post_id=433608 time=1641509979 user_id=88
Quote from: "Dinky Dazza" post_id=433607 time=1641509190 user_id=1676
Quote from: seoulbro post_id=433581 time=1641480288 user_id=114
Quote from: "iron horse jockey" post_id=433542 time=1641467451 user_id=2015
How do numbers stack up for hospitalizations and intensive care? The unvaccinated are an expensive burden.

Are the vaccinated who catch COVID and require hospitalization an expensive burden?


If the jab doesn't stop infection or transmission, it doesn't make a difference to hospitalisation rates.

Booooing .. Duh  :sdfjh(2):



Great lessening of symptoms in favor of vaxxed have lead to a 15-20 to 1 ratio of hospitalizations (unvaxxed vs. vaxxed)  on a per population ratio as demonstrated multiple times, everywhere in the world  .. sigh



Next, Double that number by 2 as average length of stay is double



You sillies are filling hospitals worldwide at those rates



Try to keep up  ... eyes and ears before typing fingers  is always a good plan  :wink:


That data doesn't play out in highly jabbed nations with the Delta but particularly the Omicron variant, where indications are that the unjabbed get less severe cases compared to the jabbed.



(I've avoided using the terms vaxxed and unvaxxed for clarity and truth in definitions)...
Title: Re: What is sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander
Post by: Anonymous on January 06, 2022, 06:58:27 PM
Quote from: cc post_id=433594 time=1641494956 user_id=88
Quote from: seoulbro post_id=433581 time=1641480288 user_id=114
Quote from: "iron horse jockey" post_id=433542 time=1641467451 user_id=2015
Quote from: seoulbro post_id=433375 time=1641391347 user_id=114
We know that this latest variant has no respect for immunity. It doesn't matter if it's through vaccination or through natural immunity like I have. People are catching it and spreading it. But, it's only the unvaccinated who are subjected to draconian restrictions. This is unfair and unjust.

How do numbers stack up for hospitalizations and intensive care? The unvaccinated are an expensive burden.

Are the vaccinated who catch COVID and require hospitalization an expensive burden?

I  interpret what IHJ is getting at as the numbers & there is 2 areas of them, both areas affecting cost



Cost Area 1. (quantity) - The ratio / population of unvax in hospitals is extreme (15 to 20  vs  1) Huge difference!!

(Comparison by numbers alone is greatly misleading as the unvaxxed make up only 10% of the population, thus only comparison by numbers / population are genuine to use as comparison)



and it doesn't end there for cost comparison

Cost Area 2 (cost / person). Severity and length of stay  - on average is far greater among unvaxxed  also .. meaning on average  unvaxxed patients have much longer stays & thus  cost more / patent in this 2nd area as well



So, yes  .. on per population basis they are costing us many times more than the vaxxed  - and for both reasons above .. a double whammy



And those vaxxed have a legitimate right to be extremely unhappy about paying many times their fair share in this area of overall health care costs .. not to mention delays of operations etc. obviously as a main result of the above ratio of patients



The sick irony of it all cost-wise -  is that the vaxxed are the ones with a right to bitch but mainly are quiet - whereas those causing the great majority of hospital cost (+ operations etc. being delayed) for everyone are the greatest and loudest bitchers



In areas where each pays their own way, it's fair cost-wise. Here where we all subsidize the holdouts, it's grossly  not  fair as to personal costs

Dang girl, you really study the hell out of this.
Title: Re: What is sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander
Post by: cc on January 06, 2022, 07:09:00 PM
Quote from: "Dinky Dazza" post_id=433616 time=1641512113 user_id=1676
Quote from: cc post_id=433608 time=1641509979 user_id=88
Quote from: "Dinky Dazza" post_id=433607 time=1641509190 user_id=1676
Quote from: seoulbro post_id=433581 time=1641480288 user_id=114
Quote from: "iron horse jockey" post_id=433542 time=1641467451 user_id=2015
How do numbers stack up for hospitalizations and intensive care? The unvaccinated are an expensive burden.

Are the vaccinated who catch COVID and require hospitalization an expensive burden?


If the jab doesn't stop infection or transmission, it doesn't make a difference to hospitalisation rates.

Booooing .. Duh  :sdfjh(2):



Great lessening of symptoms in favor of vaxxed have lead to a 15-20 to 1 ratio of hospitalizations (unvaxxed vs. vaxxed)  on a per population ratio as demonstrated multiple times, everywhere in the world  .. sigh



Next, Double that number by 2 as average length of stay is double



You sillies are filling hospitals worldwide at those rates



Try to keep up  ... eyes and ears before typing fingers  is always a good plan  :wink:


That data doesn't play out in highly jabbed nations with the Delta but particularly the Omicron variant, where indications are that the unjabbed get less severe cases compared to the jabbed.

You are either making that up or are a victim of very bad info  .. Have never heard that even on some very low level sites



Please cite & source your very bad (upside-down) info



I have cited BC Health info on this every day or 2 (also Ontario, Canada & UK & German data quite often) .. and it's extremely consistent (& Fauci-free)  ... 15 / 1 (minimum)  .. unvaxxed vs vaxxed hospitalized then double that for the double average stay time for uvaxxed  > all based on per population (usually per 100,000) comparisons
Title: Re: What is sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander
Post by: Bricktop on January 06, 2022, 07:54:56 PM
Quote from: Herman post_id=433622 time=1641513507 user_id=1689


Dang girl, you really study the hell out of this.


Anecdotally speaking, it's my observation that women are far more concerned than men about the plague.



That's no criticism because given the differences between male and female, you would expect that kind of reaction.



Men seem to be focused on the morality and human rights, women on health and welfare. T'was ever thus.



This leads to a rather laissez-faire approach by men who may think that they are invulnerable, and even if they catch the virus they can deal with it.



Women, on the other hand, are more paranoid and protective and fear infection will be catastrophic for them, and of course their children.



Just as in many other social issues, the chasm between genders is stark and destructive.
Title: Re: What is sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander
Post by: Anonymous on January 06, 2022, 08:02:52 PM
Quote from: Bricktop post_id=433632 time=1641516896 user_id=1560
Quote from: Herman post_id=433622 time=1641513507 user_id=1689


Dang girl, you really study the hell out of this.


Anecdotally speaking, it's my observation that women are far more concerned than men about the plague.



That's no criticism because given the differences between male and female, you would expect that kind of reaction.



Men seem to be focused on the morality and human rights, women on health and welfare. T'was ever thus.



This leads to a rather laissez-faire approach by men who may think that they are invulnerable, and even if they catch the virus they can deal with it.



Women, on the other hand, are more paranoid and protective and fear infection will be catastrophic for them, and of course their children.



Just as in many other social issues, the chasm between genders is stark and destructive.

There could be something to that. The only lady aint paranoid, but she is more cautious than I am about catching it. And she is eleven and a ahlf years younger than me.
Title: Re: What is sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander
Post by: cc on January 06, 2022, 08:05:15 PM
Cradle Robber!!



 ac_smile
Title: Re: What is sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander
Post by: Thiel on January 06, 2022, 08:11:14 PM
Quote from: seoulbro post_id=433375 time=1641391347 user_id=114
We know that this latest variant has no respect for immunity. It doesn't matter if it's through vaccination or through natural immunity like I have. People are catching it and spreading it. But, it's only the unvaccinated who are subjected to draconian restrictions. This is unfair and unjust.

I think I can now proclaim who my new favourite poster is. It's a discriminatory double standard.
Title: Re: What is sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander
Post by: Anonymous on January 07, 2022, 12:02:04 AM
Quote from: Thiel post_id=433639 time=1641517874 user_id=1688
Quote from: seoulbro post_id=433375 time=1641391347 user_id=114
We know that this latest variant has no respect for immunity. It doesn't matter if it's through vaccination or through natural immunity like I have. People are catching it and spreading it. But, it's only the unvaccinated who are subjected to draconian restrictions. This is unfair and unjust.

I think I can now proclaim who my new favourite poster is. It's a discriminatory double standard.

Thank you sir. :howdy: Between the coronavirus and climate change excuses liberty is being eroded. I will remain steadfast in my defense of it.
Title: Re: What is sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander
Post by: Frood on January 07, 2022, 12:49:14 AM
:thumbup:
Title: Re: What is sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander
Post by: Bricktop on January 07, 2022, 01:21:21 AM
THAT'S WHAT I'VE BEEN SAYING FOR WEEKS!!!



 :t1929:
Title: Re: What is sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander
Post by: Anonymous on January 07, 2022, 03:06:54 AM
Quote from: Bricktop post_id=433697 time=1641536481 user_id=1560
THAT'S WHAT I'VE BEEN SAYING FOR WEEKS!!!



 :t1929:

You've been saying freedoms are under attack?
Title: Re: What is sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander
Post by: Frood on January 07, 2022, 03:22:06 AM
Quote from: Bricktop post_id=433697 time=1641536481 user_id=1560
THAT'S WHAT I'VE BEEN SAYING FOR WEEKS!!!



 :t1929:


I think I love you.... in a Freud way (not a Pantywaste or Dinky Dianna way).... woah, tiger!  ac_razz
Title: Re: What is sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander
Post by: Bricktop on January 07, 2022, 06:24:09 PM
Quote from: Fashionista post_id=433704 time=1641542814 user_id=3254
Quote from: Bricktop post_id=433697 time=1641536481 user_id=1560
THAT'S WHAT I'VE BEEN SAYING FOR WEEKS!!!



 :t1929:

You've been saying freedoms are under attack?


AAAAAAGGGGGHHHHHHHH!!!! :dash1:
Title: Re: What is sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander
Post by: Blazor on January 07, 2022, 07:14:54 PM
Quote from: Bricktop post_id=433759 time=1641597849 user_id=1560
Quote from: Fashionista post_id=433704 time=1641542814 user_id=3254
Quote from: Bricktop post_id=433697 time=1641536481 user_id=1560
THAT'S WHAT I'VE BEEN SAYING FOR WEEKS!!!



 :t1929:

You've been saying freedoms are under attack?


AAAAAAGGGGGHHHHHHHH!!!! :dash1:


 :laugh:



Welcome to the club.



Love you too btw, its not just Dinky.... in a non homo way.
Title: Re: What is sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander
Post by: Anonymous on January 07, 2022, 08:32:01 PM
Quote from: cc post_id=433637 time=1641517515 user_id=88
Cradle Robber!!



 ac_smile

Guilty as charged.
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