Title: Leftist nazis are still ignoring the science and defending lockdowns-unbelievable
Post by: Anonymous on February 15, 2022, 12:32:32 PM
Post by: Anonymous on February 15, 2022, 12:32:32 PM
Fifteen years ago, writers schooled in computer science began to imagine various totalitarian schemes for pandemic control. Experienced public health officials in 2006 warned that this would lead to disaster. Donald Henderson, for example, went through the whole list of possible restrictions, shooting them down one by one.
Since April 2020, scholars have observed that these lockdown policies haven't worked. The politicians preached, the cops enforced, citizens shamed each other, and businesses and schools did their best to comply with all the strictures. But the virus kept going with seeming disregard for all these antics.
Neither oceans of sanitizer, nor towers of plexiglass, nor covered mouths and noses, nor crowd avoidance, nor the seeming magic of six feet of distance, nor even mandated injections caused the virus to go away or otherwise be suppressed.
The evidence is in. Restrictions aren't associated with any particular set of virus mitigation goals. Forty studies have shown no connection between the policy (egregious violations of human liberty) and the intended outcomes (diminishing the overall disease impact of the pathogen).
You can forget about "causal inference" here because there is an absence of correlation between policy and outcomes at all. You can do a deeper dive and find 400 studies showing that the impositions of basic freedoms didn't achieve the intended result but instead produced terrible public health outcomes.
The two years of the hell into which hundreds of governments simultaneously plunged the globe achieved nothing but economic, social, and cultural destruction. Very obviously, this realization is shocking and suggests a crying need for a reassessment of the power and influence of the people who did this.
This reassessment is happening now, all over the world.
The most recent meta-analysis from Johns Hopkins University (Jonas Herby of the Center for Political Studies in Copenhagen, Denmark, Lars Jonung of Lund University, and Steve Hanke of Johns Hopkins) seems to have achieved some measure of media attention. It focuses in particular on the effects of heavy interventions on mortality, finding little to no relationship between policies and severe disease outcomes.
Lockdown policies are easily marketed to political players who might get a power rush from the exercise. But, in the end, Henderson's prediction was correct: These interventions turned a manageable pandemic into a catastrophe.
It's a sure bet, however, that lockdown proponents will be in denial at least for another decade.
Title: Re: Leftist nazis are still ignoring the science and defending lockdowns-unbelievable
Post by: Anonymous on February 15, 2022, 01:58:21 PM
Post by: Anonymous on February 15, 2022, 01:58:21 PM
Title: Re: Leftist nazis are still ignoring the science and defending lockdowns-unbelievable
Post by: Frood on February 15, 2022, 02:02:43 PM
Post by: Frood on February 15, 2022, 02:02:43 PM
Closing in class learning, masking, and suspending extracurricular activities were the worst part of lockdowns.
No... the worst part has been not allowing healthy people to work. Everything else flows down to the kids...
Title: Re: Leftist nazis are still ignoring the science and defending lockdowns-unbelievable
Post by: cw_ on February 15, 2022, 02:14:53 PM
Post by: cw_ on February 15, 2022, 02:14:53 PM
Title: Re: Leftist nazis are still ignoring the science and defending lockdowns-unbelievable
Post by: Frood on February 15, 2022, 02:21:35 PM
Post by: Frood on February 15, 2022, 02:21:35 PM
We're meant to die before our children and grandchildren.
Sorry for your mum's suffering.
Title: Re: Leftist nazis are still ignoring the science and defending lockdowns-unbelievable
Post by: Anonymous on February 15, 2022, 02:23:02 PM
Post by: Anonymous on February 15, 2022, 02:23:02 PM
Closing in class learning, masking, and suspending extracurricular activities were the worst part of lockdowns.
No... the worst part has been not allowing healthy people to work. Everything else flows down to the kids...
You're an unemployed bum with a gimp son.
Title: Re: Leftist nazis are still ignoring the science and defending lockdowns-unbelievable
Post by: Anonymous on February 15, 2022, 02:23:56 PM
Post by: Anonymous on February 15, 2022, 02:23:56 PM
The worst part was not being able to attend my dying mother in a CA nursing home. And the suffering she endured from the lockdowns.
LOL!
Title: Re: Leftist nazis are still ignoring the science and defending lockdowns-unbelievable
Post by: cw_ on February 15, 2022, 02:24:36 PM
Post by: cw_ on February 15, 2022, 02:24:36 PM
The overall worst part is certainly on the kids and their future.
Title: Re: Leftist nazis are still ignoring the science and defending lockdowns-unbelievable
Post by: Frood on February 15, 2022, 02:25:55 PM
Post by: Frood on February 15, 2022, 02:25:55 PM
Just my personal worst part story.
The overall worst part is certainly on the kids and their future.
Yeah...
Title: Re: Leftist nazis are still ignoring the science and defending lockdowns-unbelievable
Post by: cc on February 15, 2022, 02:32:03 PM
Post by: cc on February 15, 2022, 02:32:03 PM
Closing in class learning, masking, and suspending extracurricular activities were the worst part of lockdowns.
There has been a great many problems in all parts of society since the virus appeared initially
How it has affected children, especially as you mention is shameful
Title: Re: Leftist nazis are still ignoring the science and defending lockdowns-unbelievable
Post by: Frood on February 15, 2022, 02:43:50 PM
Post by: Frood on February 15, 2022, 02:43:50 PM
Just my personal worst part story.
The overall worst part is certainly on the kids and their future.
My dad died in an Oregon hotel room in 2004. The maid found him the following morning in an armchair surrounded by snotty tissues.
He had told his business partner to go on ahead because he was feeling under the weather and would catch up later.
Obviously, that never happened....
But he was only 58 years young. Us 5 kids were shocked by it.
Cause of death got dragged out by many months until they just said it was natural.
Natural isn't a cause of death. Natural is what they say when they can't work out a cause of death in somebody under 60....
But my dad would have leaped into death first rather than let any of us go before him.
And I feel the same way about my own....
Title: Re: Leftist nazis are still ignoring the science and defending lockdowns-unbelievable
Post by: Anonymous on February 15, 2022, 03:27:49 PM
Post by: Anonymous on February 15, 2022, 03:27:49 PM
Title: Re: Leftist nazis are still ignoring the science and defending lockdowns-unbelievable
Post by: Frood on February 15, 2022, 03:32:24 PM
Post by: Frood on February 15, 2022, 03:32:24 PM
Title: Re: Leftist nazis are still ignoring the science and defending lockdowns-unbelievable
Post by: Anonymous on February 15, 2022, 05:52:07 PM
Post by: Anonymous on February 15, 2022, 05:52:07 PM
The worst part was not being able to attend my dying mother in a CA nursing home. And the suffering she endured from the lockdowns.
Ya, that is messed up. I went along with the lockdowns for a while anyway. They are sheer insanity.
Title: Re: Leftist nazis are still ignoring the science and defending lockdowns-unbelievable
Post by: Anonymous on February 15, 2022, 06:57:20 PM
Post by: Anonymous on February 15, 2022, 06:57:20 PM
The worst part was not being able to attend my dying mother in a CA nursing home. And the suffering she endured from the lockdowns.
I'm very sorry about that cw_.
Title: Re: Leftist nazis are still ignoring the science and defending lockdowns-unbelievable
Post by: Anonymous on February 16, 2022, 11:11:52 AM
Post by: Anonymous on February 16, 2022, 11:11:52 AM
Title: Re: Leftist nazis are still ignoring the science and defending lockdowns-unbelievable
Post by: Anonymous on February 16, 2022, 01:28:31 PM
Post by: Anonymous on February 16, 2022, 01:28:31 PM
Title: Re: Leftist nazis are still ignoring the science and defending lockdowns-unbelievable
Post by: Anonymous on February 17, 2022, 11:18:13 AM
Post by: Anonymous on February 17, 2022, 11:18:13 AM
As a prominent epidemiologist and statistician, Kulldorff has worked on detecting and monitoring infectious disease outbreaks for two decades. His methods are widely used around the world and by almost every state health department in the United States, as well as by hundreds of people at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC).
Kulldorff has also worked on vaccine safety for decades, developing globally used methods for monitoring adverse reactions in new vaccines.
His résumé on the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) website is 45 pages long and includes a list of 201 peer-reviewed published journal papers. His work has been cited more than 27,000 times.
Since 2003, Kulldorff worked at Harvard Medical School, first as an associate professor of population medicine and later as a professor of medicine.
The Swedish native said he tried to point out in March 2020 that there was a very steep age gradient on mortality for COVID-19, the disease caused by the SARS-CoV-2 virus.
"I was able to publish in Sweden, in the major daily newspapers there during the spring of 2020, so that was not a problem," he said. "But the United States was not allowed to have a debate, which is very troubling."
Lockdowns were ineffective and unnecessary. But, any epidemiologist who disagreed found themselves on outside looking in and unable to speak.
Title: Re: Leftist nazis are still ignoring the science and defending lockdowns-unbelievable
Post by: Anonymous on February 17, 2022, 10:59:27 PM
Post by: Anonymous on February 17, 2022, 10:59:27 PM
I know everybody has a story how lockdowns sucked for them personally. This was the first pandemic world leaders have ever had to deal with. In many cases they got conflicting bad advice from top medical experts.
I'm sorry, what you were saying again?
Title: Re: Leftist nazis are still ignoring the science and defending lockdowns-unbelievable
Post by: Gaon on February 18, 2022, 08:12:09 PM
Post by: Gaon on February 18, 2022, 08:12:09 PM
Title: Re: Leftist nazis are still ignoring the science and defending lockdowns-unbelievable
Post by: Anonymous on February 19, 2022, 06:59:38 PM
Post by: Anonymous on February 19, 2022, 06:59:38 PM
Here in British Columbia, the leftist government is still ignoring the science. They don't want to give people back their lives.
Unsurprising, it would necessitate a relinquishing of powers they had taken for themselves in the first place. You want it back, you're going to have to take it from the people who stole it from you in the first place.
Title: Re: Leftist nazis are still ignoring the science and defending lockdowns-unbelievable
Post by: Anonymous on February 19, 2022, 07:32:44 PM
Post by: Anonymous on February 19, 2022, 07:32:44 PM
Here in British Columbia, the leftist government is still ignoring the science. They don't want to give people back their lives.
Unsurprising, it would necessitate a relinquishing of powers they had taken for themselves in the first place. You want it back, you're going to have to take it from the people who stole it from you in the first place.
They tried that in Ottawa and all they got to show for it is seized bank accounts and fired from their jobs.
Title: Re: Leftist nazis are still ignoring the science and defending lockdowns-unbelievable
Post by: Anonymous on February 19, 2022, 10:11:32 PM
Post by: Anonymous on February 19, 2022, 10:11:32 PM
Here in British Columbia, the leftist government is still ignoring the science. They don't want to give people back their lives.
Unsurprising, it would necessitate a relinquishing of powers they had taken for themselves in the first place. You want it back, you're going to have to take it from the people who stole it from you in the first place.
They tried that in Ottawa and all they got to show for it is seized bank accounts and fired from their jobs.
Yeah, I still carry kinder memories of that place in my head. It's shocking and kind of sad to see how much it's been pissed away since I left it.
Title: Re: Leftist nazis are still ignoring the science and defending lockdowns-unbelievable
Post by: Anonymous on February 20, 2022, 01:37:01 AM
Post by: Anonymous on February 20, 2022, 01:37:01 AM
Title: Re: Leftist nazis are still ignoring the science and defending lockdowns-unbelievable
Post by: cw_ on February 20, 2022, 01:57:29 AM
Post by: cw_ on February 20, 2022, 01:57:29 AM
NDP and LIberal premiers don't want to surrender their new powers.
People like Blazor and DD tried to warn you.
Title: Re: Leftist nazis are still ignoring the science and defending lockdowns-unbelievable
Post by: Anonymous on February 20, 2022, 02:00:51 AM
Post by: Anonymous on February 20, 2022, 02:00:51 AM
NDP and LIberal premiers don't want to surrender their new powers.
People like Blazor and DD tried to warn you.
About Liberal and NDP politicians?
Do they even know either party?
Title: Re: Leftist nazis are still ignoring the science and defending lockdowns-unbelievable
Post by: cw_ on February 20, 2022, 02:08:03 AM
Post by: cw_ on February 20, 2022, 02:08:03 AM
Title: Re: Leftist nazis are still ignoring the science and defending lockdowns-unbelievable
Post by: Anonymous on February 20, 2022, 02:11:17 AM
Post by: Anonymous on February 20, 2022, 02:11:17 AM
About surrender of new powers.
Oh, I see..
Provinces with Conservative Party premiers have either ended all restrictions and mandates or will do so soon.
Title: Re: Leftist nazis are still ignoring the science and defending lockdowns-unbelievable
Post by: Frood on February 20, 2022, 02:24:08 AM
Post by: Frood on February 20, 2022, 02:24:08 AM
Title: Re: Leftist nazis are still ignoring the science and defending lockdowns-unbelievable
Post by: Oliver Clotheshoffe on February 20, 2022, 03:46:34 PM
Post by: Oliver Clotheshoffe on February 20, 2022, 03:46:34 PM
Title: Re: Leftist nazis are still ignoring the science and defending lockdowns-unbelievable
Post by: Anonymous on February 20, 2022, 07:08:46 PM
Post by: Anonymous on February 20, 2022, 07:08:46 PM
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Title: Re: Leftist nazis are still ignoring the science and defending lockdowns-unbelievable
Post by: Anonymous on February 20, 2022, 09:06:08 PM
Post by: Anonymous on February 20, 2022, 09:06:08 PM
About surrender of new powers.
Oh, I see..
Provinces with Conservative Party premiers have either ended all restrictions and mandates or will do so soon.
And you don't suspect it's a pig in a poke?
Title: Re: Leftist nazis are still ignoring the science and defending lockdowns-unbelievable
Post by: Anonymous on February 21, 2022, 12:00:56 AM
Post by: Anonymous on February 21, 2022, 12:00:56 AM
About surrender of new powers.
Oh, I see..
Provinces with Conservative Party premiers have either ended all restrictions and mandates or will do so soon.
And you don't suspect it's a pig in a poke?
After two fickin years of restrictions, mandates, and empty shelves? Hell no. Remember fifteen days to flatten the frickin curve.
Blue politicians know their voters. Most of them value their freedom more than your average NDP voter who wants to make all that martial law shit that didn't work permanent.
Title: Re: Leftist nazis are still ignoring the science and defending lockdowns-unbelievable
Post by: Anonymous on February 21, 2022, 12:10:40 AM
Post by: Anonymous on February 21, 2022, 12:10:40 AM
About surrender of new powers.
Oh, I see..
Provinces with Conservative Party premiers have either ended all restrictions and mandates or will do so soon.
And you don't suspect it's a pig in a poke?
After two fickin years of restrictions, mandates, and empty shelves? Hell no. Remember fifteen days to flatten the frickin curve.
Blue politicians know their voters. Most of them value their freedom more than your average NDP voter who wants to make all that martial law shit that didn't work permanent.
Our premier is filing a legal challenge to end Justin Trudeau's Emergency Measures Act.
Title: Re: Leftist nazis are still ignoring the science and defending lockdowns-unbelievable
Post by: Anonymous on February 21, 2022, 02:22:10 AM
Post by: Anonymous on February 21, 2022, 02:22:10 AM
About surrender of new powers.
Oh, I see..
Provinces with Conservative Party premiers have either ended all restrictions and mandates or will do so soon.
And you don't suspect it's a pig in a poke?
After two fickin years of restrictions, mandates, and empty shelves? Hell no. Remember fifteen days to flatten the frickin curve.
Blue politicians know their voters. Most of them value their freedom more than your average NDP voter who wants to make all that martial law shit that didn't work permanent.
I remember it well, I sold up all my stuff in Ottawa once the fifteen days had came and went - it was clear to me within a month of the first reported case that something larger was on the horizon and sailing our way. Additionally I had heard scuttlebutt two months earlier from an IT security advisor I knew that there were impending plans to fuck with the US economy. I'd raised an eyebrow at the time, but the continuing lockdown basically told me "get the fuck out NOW".
I'm glad I listened to my gut instinct on this and got out when I did. Two days later and I'd have been stuck where I was, subject to untested medical procedures, the suspension of civil rights and (apparently) the summary pillaging of the worth I had accumulated to that point. Basically everything the rest of you are facing now.
It's kinda hard - I mean I want to help, but throwing that kind of dire prediction out ahead of time only gets you branded a conspiracy theorist. Nobody really pays attention until it's too late, which is of course why the lot of us keep losing ground on this march. Take the rolling back of the restrictions - you see a light at the end of the tunnel, I see Curt Richter's drowning rat experiment. They know how far they can push you before you snap, after a brief respite they expect to be able to push you further and longer. Bill Gates is already banging on about "the next pandemic", we still haven't mitigated the damage from the last one.
Blue politicians certainly do know their voters. As well as the red politicians know theirs in fact. Complacent, kindly, okay with taking one for the team as long as it's a team member doing it because "hey, we're on the same team, they wouldn't [i[really[/i] kick their teammates, would they?"
Yes. Yes they would. If the stakes are high enough (and I put it to you that they are) their self preservation instinct will kick in a lot more readily than the desire to sing "Oh Canada" as they are stripped of everything they have. They don't rule you out of a sense of love for you or country, they rule you because it's lucrative and because there are other, more potent persuaders who can fuck them every bit as hard as Truedeaup is fucking you now.
This needn't be a Black Pill moment. There are things you can still do, but you have to get off this pie in the sky kick that Wellington Street has the right answers if only you could get the right party in. There is no "right party", not for as long as you believe they rule you. You aren't someone elses chew toy, demand representation, choose someone to represent you and hold their toes to the fire until they render it.
Or get out as I did and find a place more agreeable to the ideal of bartering your strengths for the strengths of others. The more you do for yourself, the less you need for someone else to waltz in to decide it for you.