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Quote from: "Shen Li"An op/ed from commondreams is hardly the pinnacle of unbiased journalistic integrity. However, I am getting sick and tired of the West sticking it's nose into the internal affairs of sovereign nations.

Quote from: "Obvious Li"the USA is hypocritical beyond words.......they send their military into whatever country in the world they feel like...they always fuck it up and when the country or some other party complains they say it was for "strategic" interests......Crimea was part of Russia until 1954....Putin has every right to go into Crimea and get it back if the crimeans want to be part of Russia.....on the other hand he does not have any claims over western Ukraine  and should but out of there......"you break it you own it" and he does not have the cash to own it.... the IMF needs to lend Ukraine 35 Billion to carry on operations and form a pro western government and Ukraine has to give up claims on the Crimea:    ugeek:

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Quote from: "Obvious Li"the USA is hypocritical beyond words.......they send their military into whatever country in the world they feel like...they always fuck it up and when the country or some other party complains they say it was for "strategic" interests......Crimea was part of Russia until 1954....Putin has every right to go into Crimea and get it back if the crimeans want to be part of Russia.....on the other hand he does not have any claims over western Ukraine  and should but out of there......"you break it you own it" and he does not have the cash to own it.... the IMF needs to lend Ukraine 35 Billion to carry on operations and form a pro western government and Ukraine has to give up claims on the Crimea:    ugeek:

For those of you that are knowledgeable about international affairs, what will be the outcome of this standoff?



Will Crimea stay in Russian hands? Will Ukraine move towards the European Union?



I visited Ukraine when we lived in Kazakhstan.

QuoteA Monster Reawakens: The Rise of Ukrainian Fascism



With the eyes of the world fixed on Russia's invasion of Crimea and the prospect of a wider war engulfing all Ukraine, our attention has been diverted from what may be the most significant aspect of this crisis: the ascension of a genuinely fascist mass movement into the corridors of power.



Our "mainstream" media shrugs off what it describes as the presence of "a few ultra-nationalists" at the Kiev protests, but this is nonsense: it is far more than a few. Indeed, the activists of the two main fascist parties in Ukraine – Svoboda and "Right Sector" – provided the muscle the insurrectionists needed to take over government buildings in Kiev and across western Ukraine.



Svoboda leader Oleh Tyahnybok, now a top official of the Ukrainian Parliament, is an unrepentant anti-Semite. In the summer of 2004, he made a speech to his followers at the gravesite of a Banderist commander in which he declared: "You are the ones that the Moscow-Jewish mafia ruling Ukraine fears most." His peroration also made reference to "Kikes" as prominent among those the Banderists fought. Tyahnybok was expelled from Parliament for his remarks, but the "revolution" has installed him back in his seat – and more powerful than ever.



He has plenty of company. Svoboda activists, who already held seats in Parliament, hold no less than eight top Cabinet positions.



For the first time since 1933, the followers of a movement that valorizes Adolf Hitler and preaches anti-Semitism has entered a European government. The German Nazis, too, were part of a "coalition" government, the other members of which thought they could contain or even "tame" them and prevent a Communist takeover. They were tragically wrong – and the United States and its European allies are taking the same road in backing Hitler's heirs in Ukraine.



No matter how many US taxpayer dollars flow into the coffers of the State Department's Ukrainian sock puppets between now and May 25, all the money in the world may not be able to contain the forces our interventionists have loosened on the world. The news that the leader of "Right Sector" has called on none other than al-Qaeda to help Ukraine in its battle against Russia is an indication of just what sort of demons we have unleashed – this time.



//http://original.antiwar.com/justin/2014/03/04/a-monster-reawakens-the-rise-of-ukrainian-fascism/

QuoteDiplomatic pronouncements are renowned for hypocrisy and double standards. But western denunciations of Russian intervention in Crimea have reached new depths of self parody. The so far bloodless incursion is an "incredible act of aggression", US secretary of state John Kerry declared. In the 21st century you just don't invade countries on a "completely trumped-up pretext", he insisted, as US allies agreed that it had been an unacceptable breach of international law, for which there will be "costs".



That the states which launched the greatest act of unprovoked aggression in modern history on a trumped-up pretext – against Iraq, in an illegal war now estimated to have killed 500,000, along with the invasion of Afghanistan, bloody regime change in Libya, and the killing of thousands in drone attacks on Pakistan, Yemen and Somalia, all without UN authorisation – should make such claims is beyond absurdity.



The US and European powers openly sponsored the protests to oust the corrupt but elected Viktor Yanukovych government, which were triggered by controversy over an all-or-nothing EU agreement which would have excluded economic association with Russia.



Fascist gangs now patrol the streets. But they are also in Kiev's corridors of power. The far right Svoboda party, whose leader has denounced the "criminal activities" of "organised Jewry" and which was condemned by the European parliament for its "racist and antisemitic views", has five ministerial posts in the new government, including deputy prime minister and prosecutor general. The leader of the even more extreme Right Sector, at the heart of the street violence, is now Ukraine's deputy national security chief.



Neo-Nazis in office is a first in post-war Europe. But this is the unelected government now backed by the US and EU. And in a contemptuous rebuff to the ordinary Ukrainians who protested against corruption and hoped for real change, the new administration has appointed two billionaire oligarchs – one who runs his business from Switzerland – to be the new governors of the eastern cities of Donetsk and Dnepropetrovsk. Meanwhile, the IMF is preparing an eye-watering austerity plan for the tanking Ukrainian economy which can only swell poverty and unemployment.



//http://www.commondreams.org/view/2014/03/05-8

Quote from: "Shen Li"An op/ed from commondreams is hardly the pinnacle of unbiased journalistic integrity. However, I am getting sick and tired of the West sticking it's nose into the internal affairs of sovereign nations.

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Quote from: "Shen Li"An op/ed from commondreams is hardly the pinnacle of unbiased journalistic integrity. However, I am getting sick and tired of the West sticking it's nose into the internal affairs of sovereign nations.

Now more moonbeams & unicorns cut / paste



Time for a laff

QuoteAwaiting Russian President Vladimir Putin's next move in the Ukrainian crisis, one Canadian expert says the leader's motivation is simple – he does not want Ukraine to become a member of NATO or the European Union.



Jeff Sahadeo, an associate professor at Carleton University who studies relations in Eastern Europe and Asia, said losing influence in the former Soviet state would be a "real embarrassment" for Putin.



"His end game is to make sure that Ukraine doesn't become a part of NATO and that's really the red line that he's thought about and that's why he sent these troops," Sahadeo told CTV's Canada AM Wednesday.



Ukraine's efforts to join NATO were shelved after the 2010 election of Viktor Yanukovych. The now-ousted president also backed away from a trade agreement with the EU, which ignited the protests in Ukraine.



Despite the threat of sanctions against Russia, Sahadeo said North American embargos would have "very little effect."



EU sanctions would be a bigger problem for Russia's economy and trade relationships, but European leaders don't seem interested in making such a move, he said.



//http://canadaam.ctvnews.ca/putin-s-end-game-in-ukraine-keeping-out-of-nato-eu-prof-1.1714836

QuoteUkraine Protest Leaders Hired Kiev Snipers



Western officials repeatedly condemned the ousted Yanukovych government for snipers who fired on protesters in Kiev, but it turns out those snipers were actually hired by the protest leaders themselves and told to kill people on both sides to drum up more unrest.



That was revealed by Estonian Foreign Minister Urmas Paet in a leaked conversation with European Union foreign policy head Catherine Ashton. Estonia confirmed the authenticity of the leaked conversation.



Paet was recently in Kiev, and was shown strong evidence to that effect by the main doctor at the protesters' mobile camp. Dr. Olga Bogomolets reportedly turned down an offer to be Vice Premier of the new regime.



Ashton expressed considerable surprise at the revelation, saying that she hadn't heard that before. It is unclear from Paet's investigation who among the protest leaders may have hired the snipers, but the safe bet is probably the neo-Nazi-styled Right Sector, which has since been courting terrorist leaders for attacks on Russia.



//http://news.antiwar.com/2014/03/05/ukraine-protest-leaders-hired-kiev-snipers/

Quote from: "Shen Li"I hope RW(the sane one) chimes in on this. I know her opinions on a host of domestic stuff, but almost nothing about her opinions on military/international geo-political issues?

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Quote from: "Shen Li"I hope RW(the sane one) chimes in on this. I know her opinions on a host of domestic stuff, but almost nothing about her opinions on military/international geo-political issues?

you mean Sugar Tits...she barely has a grasp on reality let alone Crimean geo-politics.......there are rumors she likes keilbasa.....but that's about as close as she's gotten to anything Ukrainian........go ukaboos go........ :D  :D  :D

Quote from: "Obvious Li"if obongo had any balls he would draw down the USA strategic petroleum reserves by 500,000 bbls per day and get the saudis to increase oil production by 500,000 bbls per day: the price of oil would drop to $80 per bbl overnight and Russia would be bankrupt in 90 days....freeze all their foreign bank accounts , restrict travel visas at the same time and it is over in a week......c,mon get a pair and fuck these ruskies up the ass

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Quote from: "Obvious Li"if obongo had any balls he would draw down the USA strategic petroleum reserves by 500,000 bbls per day and get the saudis to increase oil production by 500,000 bbls per day: the price of oil would drop to $80 per bbl overnight and Russia would be bankrupt in 90 days....freeze all their foreign bank accounts , restrict travel visas at the same time and it is over in a week......c,mon get a pair and fuck these ruskies up the ass

I hope there isn't war, but why would we want to bring Russia to it's knees?

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Quote from: "Obvious Li"if obongo had any balls he would draw down the USA strategic petroleum reserves by 500,000 bbls per day and get the saudis to increase oil production by 500,000 bbls per day: the price of oil would drop to $80 per bbl overnight and Russia would be bankrupt in 90 days....freeze all their foreign bank accounts , restrict travel visas at the same time and it is over in a week......c,mon get a pair and fuck these ruskies up the ass

I hope there isn't war, but why would we want to bring Russia to it's knees?

we want to crush those commie bastards.....then crush them again and again and then really hurt them.........that is all they understand and deserve

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I hope there isn't war, but why would we want to bring Russia to it's knees?

we want to crush those commie bastards.....then crush them again and again and then really hurt them.........that is all they understand and deserve

They are not communist anymore though Obvious Li.

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we want to crush those commie bastards.....then crush them again and again and then really hurt them.........that is all they understand and deserve

They are not communist anymore though Obvious Li.

Fashie..you worry about odies salvation......leave those commie bastards to people like me...we know how to treat those stalinist motherfuckers....and yes they are still all commies....don't believe what RW says.....they only understand might and pain and power.....i say bankrupt Putin personally so he feels it personally...then send in the tanks to enforce law and order.

Quote from: "Gary Oak"A reliable source has told me that China is secretly behind Putin's Russia. They are using Russia as a buffer against the West to do their dirty work for them.

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They are not communist anymore though Obvious Li.

Fashie..you worry about odies salvation......leave those commie bastards to people like me...we know how to treat those stalinist motherfuckers....and yes they are still all commies....don't believe what RW says.....they only understand might and pain and power.....i say bankrupt Putin personally so he feels it personally...then send in the tanks to enforce law and order.

Ok then Obvious Li, Odie is mine and Vladimir Putin is yours.

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Fashie..you worry about odies salvation......leave those commie bastards to people like me...we know how to treat those stalinist motherfuckers....and yes they are still all commies....don't believe what RW says.....they only understand might and pain and power.....i say bankrupt Putin personally so he feels it personally...then send in the tanks to enforce law and order.

Ok then Obvious Li, Odie is mine and Vladimir Putin is yours.

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LMAO!!!!!!!!!



Fash: That's the funniest comeback I've heard in a long while.



Just thought I'd throw these in as they struck me funny

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They are not communist anymore though Obvious Li.

Fashie..you worry about odies salvation......leave those commie bastards to people like me...we know how to treat those stalinist motherfuckers....and yes they are still all commies....don't believe what RW says.....they only understand might and pain and power.....i say bankrupt Putin personally so he feels it personally...then send in the tanks to enforce law and order.

Ok then Obvious Li, Odie is mine and Vladimir Putin is yours.

 :lol:

Quote from: "Gary Oak"A reliable source has told me that China is secretly behind Putin's Russia. They are using Russia as a buffer against the West to do their dirty work for them.

QuoteRussia Didn't Invade Ukraine Because of US 'Weakness'



One of the more vivid political talking points to come out of Washington in the midst of Russia's military incursions into Ukraine is that Russian President Vladimir Putin carried out such provocative actions because Obama's failure to enforce his "red line" on Syria and commence with a bombing campaign this past fall signaled to Putin he would not face consequences.



"I really believe that when Vladimir Putin looks around the world—sees what happened in Syria when the red line turned pink and the president didn't act," Republican Senator John McCain told CNN, "I think he's emboldened and he's acting."



The Wall Street Journal, similarly, put it down to "Western weakness," arguing "it's no coincidence that Mr. Putin asserted himself in Ukraine not long after Mr. Obama retreated in humiliating fashion from his 'red line' in Syria."



The truth is, anyone who actually believes Putin took military action in Ukraine because Obama backed away from his plans to bomb Syria illegally, doesn't know anything about international relations.



First of all, the most immediate parallel to Russia's occupation of Crimea, Ukraine's semi-autonomous peninsula, is Russia's 2008 military action in Georgia, another former Soviet state that was leaning too far West for Moscow's comfort. Following violent skirmishes, Russian forces occupied Georgia's separatist provinces of South Ossetia and Abkhazia.



This happened during the George W. Bush administration, which was so willing to use military force that it invaded Iraq on trumped up pretexts and in violation of international law. If Moscow were taking its cues based on Washington's willingness to use force, surely it would have held back in Georgia for fear of retaliation from the Bush administration.



If anything, America's utter disregard for international law gives license to other powerful countries, like Russia, to behave similarly.



"The steps Russia has taken are a violation of Ukraine's sovereignty, Ukraine's territorial integrity...they're a violation of international law," President Obama said this week.



It's worth noting that this was exactly the argument Putin used in opposing Obama's plan to bomb Syria. He even wrote an Op-Ed in the New York Times warning that such action would violate Syrian sovereignty and international law.



And of course there is the U.S. invasion of Iraq, which is a model example of the clearest violation of international law. If America flouts international law as a matter of routine, how can it then turn around and condemn Russia for its own illegal military actions?



When people see the actions of Russia, or some other government, as the result of alleged "weakness" on the part of the U.S. for failing to more readily bomb whatever country at the drop of a hat, what they are really advocating is for America to rule the world by force.



//http://reason.com/archives/2014/03/05/russia-didnt-invade-ukraine-because-of-u

Quote from: "Odinson"I dont like Russia, USA or the EU but if all goes to hell, I´ll side with Russia.

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Quote from: "Odinson"I dont like Russia, USA or the EU but if all goes to hell, I´ll side with Russia.

I actually don't mind Russia and I see how they might feel. After the collapse of the old USSR, the Americans thought they were going to turn them into another Japan. In other words a partner of the USA that they can control. They gave Russia not respect whasoever.



I don't blame Moscow one bit for not wanting to dance at the end of strings pulled by Washington. Good for Vlad for NOT turning his country into a neutred vassal state.

Quote from: "Obvious Li"bottom line....Crimea is now under Russian control and will remain so for the foreseeable future...that is ok with me.

Quote from: "Rambo Wong"The Ukraine should care about the chinese peoples feelings that Ghengis Khan conquered the Ukraine for China and return to the motherland and stop this splittism once and for all.