As a convoy of bikers heads to the nation's capital this weekend,  (//https)all eyes are on the Ottawa Police Service as it works to avoid a repeat of the 'Freedom Convoy' occupation that paralyzed downtown streets for weeks earlier this year.
Around 500 motorcycles participating in the "Rolling Thunder" convoy are expected to roll into Ottawa on Friday for a series of rallies and other events throughout the week.
Ottawa police were widely criticized for its lack of enforcement action during the "Freedom Convoy" trucker occupation. But Steve Bell, the city's interim police chief, has vowed to make sure the police force "will not allow for unsafe or unlawful conditions that could lead to another unlawful protest."
Ottawa City Councillor Theresa Kavanagh says "there's no doubt" that police will be better prepared this time.
Police are setting up an exclusion zone for vehicles around Ottawa's downtown core and Byward Market. Roads will only be open for residential and business traffic, pedestrians, cyclists and public transit.
"We're ready now. The rust is off. The police agencies are prepared to deal with any unlawful forms of protest that may come up.
Ottawa residents are pre-emptively parking their own cars on the street to prevent a protester from possibly parking in front of their homes. 
With proper planning and good intelligence, Kempa says the trucker convoy would have never "spired out of control."
"We don't need to get back to that situation of emergency ever again. And the inquiry is designed to uncover what went wrong, so that we never do the same thing for the same reasons twice," he said.
[As to what they are protesting, I can't find a clear reason even on the organizer's website.. the "what" is even less clear than back last winter]
			
			
			
				Quote from: cc post_id=448277 time=1651171663 user_id=88
As a convoy of bikers heads to the nation's capital this weekend,  (//canada/will-ottawa-police-be-prepared-for-the-rolling-thunder-convoy-experts-weigh-in-1.5880355)all eyes are on the Ottawa Police Service as it works to avoid a repeat of the 'Freedom Convoy' occupation that paralyzed downtown streets for weeks earlier this year.
Around 500 motorcycles participating in the "Rolling Thunder" convoy are expected to roll into Ottawa on Friday for a series of rallies and other events throughout the week.
Ottawa police were widely criticized for its lack of enforcement action during the "Freedom Convoy" trucker occupation. But Steve Bell, the city's interim police chief, has vowed to make sure the police force "will not allow for unsafe or unlawful conditions that could lead to another unlawful protest."
Ottawa City Councillor Theresa Kavanagh says "there's no doubt" that police will be better prepared this time.
Police are setting up an exclusion zone for vehicles around Ottawa's downtown core and Byward Market. Roads will only be open for residential and business traffic, pedestrians, cyclists and public transit.
"We're ready now. The rust is off. The police agencies are prepared to deal with any unlawful forms of protest that may come up.
Ottawa residents are pre-emptively parking their own cars on the street to prevent a protester from possibly parking in front of their homes. 
With proper planning and good intelligence, Kempa says the trucker convoy would have never "spired out of control."
"We don't need to get back to that situation of emergency ever again. And the inquiry is designed to uncover what went wrong, so that we never do the same thing for the same reasons twice," he said.
Is this about COVID or Justin Trudeau?
			 
			
			
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Quote from: cc post_id=448277 time=1651171663 user_id=88
As a convoy of bikers heads to the nation's capital this weekend,  (//canada/will-ottawa-police-be-prepared-for-the-rolling-thunder-convoy-experts-weigh-in-1.5880355)all eyes are on the Ottawa Police Service as it works to avoid a repeat of the 'Freedom Convoy' occupation that paralyzed downtown streets for weeks earlier this year.
Around 500 motorcycles participating in the "Rolling Thunder" convoy are expected to roll into Ottawa on Friday for a series of rallies and other events throughout the week.
Ottawa police were widely criticized for its lack of enforcement action during the "Freedom Convoy" trucker occupation. But Steve Bell, the city's interim police chief, has vowed to make sure the police force "will not allow for unsafe or unlawful conditions that could lead to another unlawful protest."
Ottawa City Councillor Theresa Kavanagh says "there's no doubt" that police will be better prepared this time.
Police are setting up an exclusion zone for vehicles around Ottawa's downtown core and Byward Market. Roads will only be open for residential and business traffic, pedestrians, cyclists and public transit.
"We're ready now. The rust is off. The police agencies are prepared to deal with any unlawful forms of protest that may come up.
Ottawa residents are pre-emptively parking their own cars on the street to prevent a protester from possibly parking in front of their homes. 
With proper planning and good intelligence, Kempa says the trucker convoy would have never "spired out of control."
"We don't need to get back to that situation of emergency ever again. And the inquiry is designed to uncover what went wrong, so that we never do the same thing for the same reasons twice," he said.
Is this about COVID or Justin Trudeau?
As to what they are protesting, I can't find a clear reason even on the organizer's website.. the "what" is even less clear and squishy /& changing than back last winter
			 
			
			
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Quote from: Fashionista post_id=448278 time=1651172078 user_id=3254
Quote from: cc post_id=448277 time=1651171663 user_id=88
As a convoy of bikers heads to the nation's capital this weekend,  (//canada/will-ottawa-police-be-prepared-for-the-rolling-thunder-convoy-experts-weigh-in-1.5880355)all eyes are on the Ottawa Police Service as it works to avoid a repeat of the 'Freedom Convoy' occupation that paralyzed downtown streets for weeks earlier this year.
Around 500 motorcycles participating in the "Rolling Thunder" convoy are expected to roll into Ottawa on Friday for a series of rallies and other events throughout the week.
Ottawa police were widely criticized for its lack of enforcement action during the "Freedom Convoy" trucker occupation. But Steve Bell, the city's interim police chief, has vowed to make sure the police force "will not allow for unsafe or unlawful conditions that could lead to another unlawful protest."
Ottawa City Councillor Theresa Kavanagh says "there's no doubt" that police will be better prepared this time.
Police are setting up an exclusion zone for vehicles around Ottawa's downtown core and Byward Market. Roads will only be open for residential and business traffic, pedestrians, cyclists and public transit.
"We're ready now. The rust is off. The police agencies are prepared to deal with any unlawful forms of protest that may come up.
Ottawa residents are pre-emptively parking their own cars on the street to prevent a protester from possibly parking in front of their homes. 
With proper planning and good intelligence, Kempa says the trucker convoy would have never "spired out of control."
"We don't need to get back to that situation of emergency ever again. And the inquiry is designed to uncover what went wrong, so that we never do the same thing for the same reasons twice," he said.
Is this about COVID or Justin Trudeau?
As to what they are protesting, I can't find a clear reason even on the organizer's website.. the "what" is even less clear and squishy /& changing than back last winter
Could it be just a bike rally with no political cause?
			 
			
			
				The leader is calling it protest 
As some are vets, those at least will be visiting the Memorial "to take it back" (even though fence was there ONLY during winter protest .. taken down immediately after and fully open to public all along since)  :confused1: 
I have seen leader interviewed and visited his site & there seems only very confused objectives at best
			
			
			
				Quote from: cc post_id=448284 time=1651173759 user_id=88
The leader is calling it protest 
As some are vets, those at least will be visiting the Memorial "to take it back" (even though fence was there ONLY during winter protest .. taken down immediately after and fully open to public all along since)  :confused1: 
I have seen leader interviewed and visited his site & there seems only very confused objectives at best
Give them a cause and they'll protest I suppose.
			 
			
			
				I can't find what it's about either. Bike rallies are a shitload of fun though. I want to do one this summer.  Maybe Surgis again.
			
			
			
				Organizer Neil Sheard said the event is meant to "take back" the National War Memorial.
"This is a bike rally to help heal and give back that dignity to that monument that was desecrated by the powers that be," he said.
I would hop on my hog and head to Ottawa if it was to demand Justine suspend or better yet, repeal the carbon tax. This aint urgent.
			
			
			
				Quote from: Herman post_id=448307 time=1651184441 user_id=1689
"This is a bike rally to help heal and give back that dignity to that monument that was desecrated by the powers that be," he said.
"he said", lol  .... have you listened at length to this critter? He's a loon with no clearly professed agenda
The fence was only put there out of necessity when people used it as a dance floor ... then removed the very day the trucks were towed away & the city was freed .. so what's to "take back" .. nothing is what ... just bullshit
Genuine memorial honor people have been going to it daily since the day the last ruck was towed the hell out of the way
It's all a bullshit thing ... emotion with no discernably stated legitimate direction
			 
			
			
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Quote from: Herman post_id=448307 time=1651184441 user_id=1689
"This is a bike rally to help heal and give back that dignity to that monument that was desecrated by the powers that be," he said.
"he says", lol  .... have you listened at length to this critter? He's a loon with no clearly professed agenda
The fence was only put there out of necessity when people used it as a dance floor ... then removed the very day the trucks were towed away & the city was freed .. so what's to "take back" .. nothing is what
It's all a bullshit thing
Even if it was placed there permanently, this a stange thing to fight about. People can't afford food or gas and this is the frickin issue that has the guy wound up??
			 
			
			
				Quote from: Herman post_id=448310 time=1651185109 user_id=1689
Even if it was placed there permanently, this a stange thing to fight about. People can't afford food or gas and this is the frickin issue that has the guy wound up??
Exactly - Compared to Canadians REAL problems today, this is a fart in a windstorm that doesn't appear to know where it is going .. or why
			 
			
			
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Quote from: Herman post_id=448310 time=1651185109 user_id=1689
Even if it was placed there permanently, this a stange thing to fight about. People can't afford food or gas and this is the frickin issue that has the guy wound up??
Exactly - Compared to Canadians REAL problems today, this is a fart in a windstorm that doesn't appear to know where it is going .. or why
I would join a ride to Ottawa if there is a real issue to protest. I got the time and the money and I like like long rides with lots of other riders. I would not ride into town to join a protest over a frickin fence.
			 
			
			
				I'm on my way!

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 :8brw3y9:
			 
			
			
				ac_biggrin
			
			
			
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I'm on my way!

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 :8brw3y9:
 :thumbup:
			 
			
			
				Quote from: cc post_id=448277 time=1651171663 user_id=88
As a convoy of bikers heads to the nation's capital this weekend,  (//canada/will-ottawa-police-be-prepared-for-the-rolling-thunder-convoy-experts-weigh-in-1.5880355)all eyes are on the Ottawa Police Service as it works to avoid a repeat of the 'Freedom Convoy' occupation that paralyzed downtown streets for weeks earlier this year.
Around 500 motorcycles participating in the "Rolling Thunder" convoy are expected to roll into Ottawa on Friday for a series of rallies and other events throughout the week.
Ottawa police were widely criticized for its lack of enforcement action during the "Freedom Convoy" trucker occupation. But Steve Bell, the city's interim police chief, has vowed to make sure the police force "will not allow for unsafe or unlawful conditions that could lead to another unlawful protest."
Ottawa City Councillor Theresa Kavanagh says "there's no doubt" that police will be better prepared this time.
Police are setting up an exclusion zone for vehicles around Ottawa's downtown core and Byward Market. Roads will only be open for residential and business traffic, pedestrians, cyclists and public transit.
"We're ready now. The rust is off. The police agencies are prepared to deal with any unlawful forms of protest that may come up.
Ottawa residents are pre-emptively parking their own cars on the street to prevent a protester from possibly parking in front of their homes. 
With proper planning and good intelligence, Kempa says the trucker convoy would have never "spired out of control."
"We don't need to get back to that situation of emergency ever again. And the inquiry is designed to uncover what went wrong, so that we never do the same thing for the same reasons twice," he said.
[As to what they are protesting, I can't find a clear reason even on the organizer's website.. the "what" is even less clear than back last winter]
I saw a headline about this. I wondered what the protest was about.
			 
			
			
				Quote from: cw_ post_id=448339 time=1651194414 user_id=3226
I'm on my way!

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 :8brw3y9:
I heard you were good at chops cw_
			 
			
			
				Quote from: Herman post_id=448314 time=1651185486 user_id=1689
Quote from: cc post_id=448312 time=1651185228 user_id=88
Quote from: Herman post_id=448310 time=1651185109 user_id=1689
Even if it was placed there permanently, this a stange thing to fight about. People can't afford food or gas and this is the frickin issue that has the guy wound up??
Exactly - Compared to Canadians REAL problems today, this is a fart in a windstorm that doesn't appear to know where it is going .. or why
I would join a ride to Ottawa if there is a real issue to protest. I got the time and the money and I like like long rides with lots of other riders. I would not ride into town to join a protest over a frickin fence.
More protests in Ottawa are necessary until Trudeau and Singh start listening to the problems of the people they created.
			 
			
			
				Quote from: "iron horse jockey" post_id=448386 time=1651240456 user_id=2015
More protests in Ottawa are necessary until Trudeau and Singh start listening to the problems of the people they created.
1. This is not about any specific  .. in fact, what it's about is not even clearly defined, let alone specifically defined
Only clear thing is not the overall group, rather some vets within it saying they will "rescue the Cenotaph" when it was opened back up the very day after the last truck was towed .. Much as I like vets overall, these are misguided, a duh!!
2. Have we ever seen an instance where Govt then acts against it's own intentions as a result of protest? No.
(Sure it has acted using protest as an excuse to do what it wanted to do anyhow .. i.e. give natives more money, succumb to gay / trans demands  etc)
			 
			
			
				Quote from: cc post_id=448396 time=1651246328 user_id=88
Quote from: "iron horse jockey" post_id=448386 time=1651240456 user_id=2015
More protests in Ottawa are necessary until Trudeau and Singh start listening to the problems of the people they created.
1. This is not about the governing  .. in fact, what it's about is not even clearly defined, let alone specifically defined
2. Have we ever seen an instance where Govt then acts against it's own intentions as a result of protest? No.
(Sure it has acted using protest as an excuse to do what it wanted to do anyhow .. i.e. give natives more money, gay demands  etc)
You were the one here who cried loudest about protesters protesting. 
I won't forget....
			 
			
			
				Quote from: "Dinky Dazza" post_id=448397 time=1651246526 user_id=1676
Quote from: cc post_id=448396 time=1651246328 user_id=88
Quote from: "iron horse jockey" post_id=448386 time=1651240456 user_id=2015
More protests in Ottawa are necessary until Trudeau and Singh start listening to the problems of the people they created.
1. This is not about the governing  .. in fact, what it's about is not even clearly defined, let alone specifically defined
2. Have we ever seen an instance where Govt then acts against it's own intentions as a result of protest? No.
(Sure it has acted using protest as an excuse to do what it wanted to do anyhow .. i.e. give natives more money, gay demands  etc)
You were the one here who cried loudest about protesters protesting. 
I won't forget....
Don't EVER forget!!!!!! ... That's important to me... albeit not about protesting, rather about illegally blocking public roads and making life hell for residents and businesses .
			 
			
			
				Quote from: cc post_id=448398 time=1651246844 user_id=88
Quote from: "Dinky Dazza" post_id=448397 time=1651246526 user_id=1676
Quote from: cc post_id=448396 time=1651246328 user_id=88
Quote from: "iron horse jockey" post_id=448386 time=1651240456 user_id=2015
More protests in Ottawa are necessary until Trudeau and Singh start listening to the problems of the people they created.
1. This is not about the governing  .. in fact, what it's about is not even clearly defined, let alone specifically defined
2. Have we ever seen an instance where Govt then acts against it's own intentions as a result of protest? No.
(Sure it has acted using protest as an excuse to do what it wanted to do anyhow .. i.e. give natives more money, gay demands  etc)
You were the one here who cried loudest about protesters protesting. 
I won't forget....
Don't EVER forget!!!!!!
Your cowardice would make an otherwise forgetful person still remember....
			 
			
			
				Quote from: cc post_id=448396 time=1651246328 user_id=88
Quote from: "iron horse jockey" post_id=448386 time=1651240456 user_id=2015
More protests in Ottawa are necessary until Trudeau and Singh start listening to the problems of the people they created.
1. This is not about any specific  .. in fact, what it's about is not even clearly defined, let alone specifically defined
Only clear thing is not the overall group, rather some vets within it saying they will "rescue the Cenotaph" when it was opened back up the very day after the last truck was towed .. Much as I like vets overall, these are misguided, a duh!!
2. Have we ever seen an instance where Govt then acts against it's own intentions as a result of protest? No.
(Sure it has acted using protest as an excuse to do what it wanted to do anyhow .. i.e. give natives more money, succumb to gay / trans demands  etc)
1. I'm not talking about a fence. As Herman said, this is not important. He gave carbon tax increases as an example. I agree, forced inflation is worth protesting.
2. The yellow vests in France protesting fuel tax increases. In Alberta, protesting coal mine approvals. There are others I am sure I would find if I searched.
			 
			
			
				Ok. Rare moments. Ottawa zip on anything worthwhile
Still, point was  this one has nothing clearly defined. I went to a lot of trouble searching his site, as I could find nothing definite 
Seems like it's all about nothing
			
			
			
				Socialist cowards need to slit their own throats. This thread is proof of it.....led by cc at its core.
			
			
			
				Quote from: cc post_id=448403 time=1651247438 user_id=88
Ok. Rare moments. Ottawa zip on anything worthwhile
Still, point was  this one has nothing clearly defined. I went to a lot of trouble searching his site, as I could find nothing definite 
Seems like it's all about nothing
It is not a real issue to protest and it will barely get noticed.
			 
			
			
				Quote from: "Dinky Dazza" post_id=448405 time=1651247690 user_id=1676
Socialist cowards need to slit their own throats. This thread is proof of it.....led by cc at its core.
What is the protest about? A fence around a monument that isn't there? Something else?
			 
			
			
				Justine is an idiot. The more protests against the turd, the better.
European parliamentarian praises bikers, heaps scorn on Trudeau
"I would say he's an idiot who doesn't really get what's going on. A puppet. I wonder who is actually tying his shoes every morning. I don't think he can handle that himself."
https://westernstandardonline.com/2022/04/slobodian-european-parliamentarian-praises-bikers-heaps-scorn-on-trudeaMember of the European Parliament (MEP) Christine Anderson will be watching intently from afar when the anticipated 1,000-strong Rolling Thunder motorcycle convoy rolls into Ottawa this weekend.
"I support citizens standing up to governments [that] basically want to undermine democracy to abolish it because that is what's happening," said Anderson, during a telephone interview from Brussels, Belgium.
"I've always been very clear about advocating individual freedom, democracy, and the rule of law. I see that threatened in all the Western democracies."
"People need to understand our democracies are under attack."  
That includes Canada at the hands of its current government.
Although the bikers — many of them veterans hoping to lay wreaths at the National War Memorial — announced peaceful intentions, Ottawa police are calling in 830 RCMP reinforcements.
Trudeau then stood in the EP on March 24 to lament a "growing distrust of government" and a need to "fight against authoritarianism." 
During a melodramatic speech, Trudeau denounced Russian President Vladimir Putin for invading Ukraine in February.
He took shots at Canadian truckers.
Trudeau called a state of emergency over trucker's bouncy castles on Parliament Hill at nearly the same time Ukraine's President Volodymyr Zelenskyy called a state of emergency over an armed Russian invasion.
Anderson, who asserted Trudeau had no right to pontificate before the EP, wrote a point of order to bar him from speaking.
"I didn't expect to get a majority, but it was an opportunity for me to tell him 'Hey look, you are not wanted here, at least not by everyone. There are people that see through you and people who know exactly what you're doing. It has nothing to do with respecting your citizens and their fundamental rights. It's the exact opposite.'"
For Anderson, listening to Trudeau was painful.
"I really have to say gosh, I've never seen a worse performance. That's what it was, a performance." 
"That entire speech, it was monotony. I couldn't get myself to listen to his words, so utterly boring. In the end, I made an effort to listen to what he was saying because I wanted to address it later."
"I would say he's an idiot who doesn't really get what's going on. A puppet. I wonder who is actually tying his shoes every morning. I don't think he can handle that himself."
Trudeau, attending a NATO summit, received an invite to address the EP. When a world leader speaks there, the chamber's usually packed.
"There were maybe 10% of the MEPs that bothered to show up to hear what Mr. Trudeau had to say," said Anderson.
Many got up and left as he spoke. 
Others, like Romanian MEP Christian Terhes refused to attend. Terhes chastised Trudeau for trying to teach Puntin democracy lessons when "when you trample with horse hooves your own citizens who are demanding their fundamental rights be respected."
Some MEPs of the 705-member assembly from 27 countries were invited to respond to Trudeau's comments.
Anderson welcomed the opportunity.
"A prime minister who openly admires the Chinese basic dictatorship, who tramples on fundamental rights by persecuting and criminalizing his own citizens as terrorists just because they dared to stand up to his perverted concept of democracy should not be allowed to speak in this house at all," Anderson told the EP.
Brazenly invoking the Emergencies Act is something other countries "would not have been able to get away," she told the Western Standard.
But moves to undermine democracy are hardly confined to Canada.
"As you know, we Germans have a very dire history as far as that's concerned. The German people vowed to never let anything like this happen again," she said.
"Yet here we are, it is happening again. Now, people even knowing fully well what mechanisms were in place back then to make such a horrific regime possible, they fail to see how it's the very same mechanisms being applied once again."
			
			
			
				As police planned well this time, things have been cool today (albeit some problems & arrests last night)
Not so in Progland .. . err ... I mean Portland 
Convoy drivers and counter-protesters clashed in Portland, Oregon, Saturday after individuals started throwing objects at passing vehicles.
Police reported an incident on the Northeast Glisan Street overpass on Interstate 205. According to police reports, a shot was fired between protesters and counter-protesters on the highway.
			
			
			
				Quote from: cc post_id=448525 time=1651348226 user_id=88
As police planned well this time, things have been cool today (albeit some problems & arrests last night)
Not so in Progland .. . err ... I mean Portland 
Convoy drivers and counter-protesters clashed in Portland, Oregon, Saturday after individuals started throwing objects at passing vehicles.
Police reported an incident on the Northeast Glisan Street overpass on Interstate 205. According to police reports, a shot was fired between protesters and counter-protesters on the highway.
What were the Portland white crybabies protesting? Elon Musk buying Twitter.
			 
			
			
				Quote from: cc post_id=448525 time=1651348226 user_id=88
As police planned well this time, things have been cool today (albeit some problems & arrests last night)
Not so in Progland .. . err ... I mean Portland 
Convoy drivers and counter-protesters clashed in Portland, Oregon, Saturday after individuals started throwing objects at passing vehicles.
Police reported an incident on the Northeast Glisan Street overpass on Interstate 205. According to police reports, a shot was fired between protesters and counter-protesters on the highway.
I aint heard about this one.
			 
			
			
				Apparently it got out of control last evening & police cracked down .. several arrests
Today, quite under control. While billed as partially vets for Commemorative, about 25 held a decent ceremony today so that was a small part of it and not as billed by organizer
			
			
			
				Quote from: cc post_id=448537 time=1651357540 user_id=88
Apparently it got out of control last evening & police cracked down .. several arrests
Today, quite under control. While billed as partially vets for Commemorative, about 25 held a decent ceremony today so that was a small part of it and not as billed by organizer
Portland or Ottawa?
			 
			
			
				Quote from: Herman post_id=448538 time=1651357935 user_id=1689
Quote from: cc post_id=448537 time=1651357540 user_id=88
Apparently it got out of control last evening & police cracked down .. several arrests
Today, quite under control. While billed as partially vets for Commemorative, about 25 held a decent ceremony today so that was a small part of it and not as billed by organizer
Portland or Ottawa?
Ottawa. Sorry, I should have said so
			 
			
			
				Quote from: cc post_id=448525 time=1651348226 user_id=88
As police planned well this time, things have been cool today (albeit some problems & arrests last night)
Not so in Progland .. . err ... I mean Portland 
Convoy drivers and counter-protesters clashed in Portland, Oregon, Saturday after individuals started throwing objects at passing vehicles.
Police reported an incident on the Northeast Glisan Street overpass on Interstate 205. According to police reports, a shot was fired between protesters and counter-protesters on the highway.
How can businesses survive in Portland.
			 
			
			
				I think many in the worse areas don't survive
update - best I can find on last night was over 10 arrested, several hundred tickets given & several dozen vehicles towed away
			
			
			
				Quote from: cc post_id=448545 time=1651367237 user_id=88
I think many in the worse areas don't survive
update - best I can find on last night was over 10 arrested, several hundred tickets given & several dozen vehicles towed away
Portland and Seattle are losing their tax base.
			 
			
			
				Quote from: cc post_id=448545 time=1651367237 user_id=88
I think many in the worse areas don't survive
....
 ac_biggrin 
Why do you think that?  According to their website "Portland is one of the most globally competitive, equitable, and healthy cities in the world." -https://www.portlandoregon.gov/27456
			 
			
			
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Quote from: cc post_id=448545 time=1651367237 user_id=88
I think many in the worse areas don't survive
....
 ac_biggrin 
Why do you think that?  According to their website "Portland is one of the most globally competitive, equitable, and healthy cities in the world." -https://www.portlandoregon.gov/27456
Vancouver is consistently ranked one of the best cities in the world to live, but the working class are abandoning the prog shithole.
Vancouver Ranked One Of The Best Cities In The World For Quality Of Life
https://www.narcity.com/vancouver/vancouver-ranked-one-of-the-best-cities-in-the-world-for-quality-of-life#:~:text=Vancouver%20was%20named%20the%20third,in%20the%20top%2010%20list.
Census on Metro Vancouver housing shows shift of missing middle families continues unabated
https://vancouversun.com/news/local-news/census-on-housing-shows-shift-of-missing-middle-families-continues-unabated
These surveys are seen through latte slurping elitist lenses. They don't mean jack.
			 
			
			
				I don't know about the entire city, but business owners are leaving downtown Portland.
Portland businesses choose to leave downtown
https://katu.com/news/local/portland-businesses-choose-to-leave-downtown
			
			
			
				Quote from: Herman post_id=448555 time=1651370084 user_id=1689
Vancouver is consistently ranked one of the best cities in the world to live, but the working class are abandoning the prog shithole.
Vancouver Ranked One Of The Best Cities In The World For Quality Of Life
https://www.narcity.com/vancouver/vancouver-ranked-one-of-the-best-cities-in-the-world-for-quality-of-life#:~:text=Vancouver%20was%20named%20the%20third,in%20the%20top%2010%20list.
Census on Metro Vancouver housing shows shift of missing middle families continues unabated
https://vancouversun.com/news/local-news/census-on-housing-shows-shift-of-missing-middle-families-continues-unabated
These surveys are seen through latte slurping elitist lenses. They don't mean jack.
I agree that a census is more meaningful than a survey.  But opinions based on nothing more than social media gossip are less meaningful than either.
Sorry about Vancouver.  :, (
			 
			
			
				Quote from: cw_ post_id=448563 time=1651370989 user_id=3226
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Sorry about Vancouver.  :, (
I'm on Van's  outskirts.
What was once a decent  .. maybe great city to live in (as I did for a while) .. that is no more.
All that was good is gone ... now long gone
			 
			
			
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Quote from: cc post_id=448545 time=1651367237 user_id=88
I think many in the worse areas don't survive
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 ac_biggrin 
Why do you think that?  According to their website "Portland is one of the most globally competitive, equitable, and healthy cities in the world." -https://www.portlandoregon.gov/27456
Vancouver is consistently ranked one of the best cities in the world to live, but the working class are abandoning the prog shithole.
Vancouver Ranked One Of The Best Cities In The World For Quality Of Life
https://www.narcity.com/vancouver/vancouver-ranked-one-of-the-best-cities-in-the-world-for-quality-of-life#:~:text=Vancouver%20was%20named%20the%20third,in%20the%20top%2010%20list.
Census on Metro Vancouver housing shows shift of missing middle families continues unabated
https://vancouversun.com/news/local-news/census-on-housing-shows-shift-of-missing-middle-families-continues-unabated
These surveys are seen through latte slurping elitist lenses. They don't mean jack.
The Happiest Country Ranking is culturally biased.
			 
			
			
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Quote from: cw_ post_id=448563 time=1651370989 user_id=3226
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Sorry about Vancouver.  :, (
I'm on Van's  outskirts.
What was once a decent  .. maybe great city to live in (as I did for a while) .. that is no more.
All that was good is gone ... now long gone
(I use to live there too.)
			 
			
			
				Quote from: Fashionista post_id=448559 time=1651370462 user_id=3254
I don't know about the entire city, but business owners are leaving downtown Portland.
Portland businesses choose to leave downtown
https://katu.com/news/local/portland-businesses-choose-to-leave-downtown
Some are. Some have moved to the suburbs because of pandemic slow downs and crime.  Others are just starting up.
			 
			
			
				I live in Surrey, British Columbia. My wife and I took a driving trip to Portland and Seattle. About the only good thing to say about Portland and Seattle is that they make Vancouver appear to be a good place to live and raise a family. What awful cities. But, all American cities are undesirable.
			
			
			
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Quote from: Fashionista post_id=448559 time=1651370462 user_id=3254
I don't know about the entire city, but business owners are leaving downtown Portland.
Portland businesses choose to leave downtown
https://katu.com/news/local/portland-businesses-choose-to-leave-downtown
Some are. Some have moved to the suburbs because of pandemic slow downs and crime.  Others are just starting up.
Some have been burnt down, some have been looted, some can't get insurance, their walk in traffic is scared to enter, but most said fuck it and got the hell out.
			 
			
			
				Quote from: Gaon post_id=448569 time=1651371657 user_id=3170
all American cities are undesirable.
The bigger ones, ya. The suburban areas aint bad in a lot of them.
			 
			
			
				Quote from: Herman post_id=448571 time=1651372118 user_id=1689
Some have been burnt down, some have been looted, some can't get insurance, their walk in traffic is scared to enter, but most said fuck it and got the hell out.
Most?  Are you pulling that fact out of your ass?
			 
			
			
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Quote from: Herman post_id=448571 time=1651372118 user_id=1689
Some have been burnt down, some have been looted, some can't get insurance, their walk in traffic is scared to enter, but most said fuck it and got the hell out.
Most?  Are you pulling that fact out of your ass?
That link you posted stunk of ass. The businesses that are leaving downtown Portland and Seattle aint leaving because they want to waste money moving.
			 
			
			
				There appears to be some truth to what Herman is saying..
Apparently more people are leaving Portland than moving there.
Unaffordable housing, homeless camps, trash, vandalism and looting are cited as reasons for leaving.
https://katu.com/news/city-in-crisis/city-in-crisis-patience-in-portland-thins-but-some-see-city-as-desirable-place-to-live
			
			
			
				Quote from: Fashionista post_id=448580 time=1651373449 user_id=3254
There appears to be some truth to what Herman is saying..
Apparently more people are leaving Portland than moving there.
Unaffordable housing, homeless camps, trash, vandalism and looting are cited as reasons for leaving.
https://katu.com/news/city-in-crisis/city-in-crisis-patience-in-portland-thins-but-some-see-city-as-desirable-place-to-live
Portland and Seattle have the same problems as Vancouver plus more.
			 
			
			
				Quote from: Fashionista post_id=448580 time=1651373449 user_id=3254
There appears to be some truth to what Herman is saying..
Apparently more people are leaving Portland than moving there.
Unaffordable housing, homeless camps, trash, vandalism and looting are cited as reasons for leaving.
https://katu.com/news/city-in-crisis/city-in-crisis-patience-in-portland-thins-but-some-see-city-as-desirable-place-to-live
The 'Most' part is untrue.
From your link:
" people are packing up and moving to the suburbs, but it's not a Portland-specific phenomenon. It's happening in every major city on the West Coast.
Lee said the city's problems, bad as they are – alone -- aren't always enough to drive locals away. But the problems can make Portland not worth the skyrocketing costs of living here.
"We're really pinning that to affordability, right? When you think about a downtown core -- all these amenities -- restaurants, movie theaters -- across the pandemic they were virtually unusable. Many didn't feel the need to pay that downtown premium anymore, instead searching for more space and affordability in the outer edges of the metro," she said."
			 
			
			
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Quote from: Fashionista post_id=448580 time=1651373449 user_id=3254
There appears to be some truth to what Herman is saying..
Apparently more people are leaving Portland than moving there.
Unaffordable housing, homeless camps, trash, vandalism and looting are cited as reasons for leaving.
https://katu.com/news/city-in-crisis/city-in-crisis-patience-in-portland-thins-but-some-see-city-as-desirable-place-to-live
The 'Most' part is untrue.
From your link:
" people are packing up and moving to the suburbs, but it's not a Portland-specific phenomenon. It's happening in every major city on the West Coast.
Lee said the city's problems, bad as they are – alone -- aren't always enough to drive locals away. But the problems can make Portland not worth the skyrocketing costs of living here.
"We're really pinning that to affordability, right? When you think about a downtown core -- all these amenities -- restaurants, movie theaters -- across the pandemic they were virtually unusable. Many didn't feel the need to pay that downtown premium anymore, instead searching for more space and affordability in the outer edges of the metro," she said."
Perhaps he meant most of the businesses that are leaving and not most businesses are leaving.
I can understand your
			 
			
			
				All the cities on the West Coast of North America are run by prog elites, they all pursue the same goals and they all end up with the same problems that make it hard for working class people to stick around. The only difference is that Vancouver and Victoria didn't have vigilantes destroying people's livelihoods while the cops twiddled their thumbs like cities to the South did.
			
			
			
				All?  Are you pulling that fact out of your ass too?  
heh
Let's have a graphic:

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				Quote from: Herman post_id=448586 time=1651375535 user_id=1689
All the cities on the West Coast of North America are run by prog elites, they all pursue the same goals and they all end up with the same problems that make it hard for working class people to stick around. The only difference is that Vancouver and Victoria didn't have vigilantes destroying people's livelihoods while the cops twiddled their thumbs like cities to the South did.
Our new mayor in Calgary wants to implement some of the same policies that Vancouver has that will inevitably lower housing supply, and increase homelessness and poverty like it has in Vancouver.
			 
			
			
				Quote from: cw_ post_id=448588 time=1651376196 user_id=3226
All?  Are you pulling that fact out of your ass too?  
heh
Let's have a graphic:
I never mentioned Oregon state, but the city of Portland lost population last year.
the population in the metro area declined in 2021 by 0.2%, driven by a 1.5% decrease in Multnomah County.
https://www.wweek.com/news/2022/04/02/readers-respond-to-a-decline-in-portlands-population/
			 
			
			
				There is SOME migration from city to suburb.  ; )
I blame the pandemic.  Apparently you blame the proglodytes.
			
			
			
				Quote from: cw_ post_id=448591 time=1651376902 user_id=3226
There is SOME migration from city to suburb.  ; )
I blame the pandemic.  Apparently you blame the proglodytes.
Ya, the vandalism, the looting, the homeless camps, and the garbage didn't influence decisons of businesses and residents to leave. The boarded up windows are the result of the pandemic. Denial is a river in Egypt so say progs.
			 
			
			
				Sure it had an influence. There are certainly anecdotal reports that attest to such.  Can't be extrapolated to All or Most though.  :P
			
			
			
				Quote from: Herman post_id=448590 time=1651376625 user_id=1689
I never mentioned Oregon state, but the city of Portland lost population last year.
the population in the metro area declined in 2021 by 0.2%, driven by a 1.5% decrease in Multnomah County.
https://www.wweek.com/news/2022/04/02/readers-respond-to-a-decline-in-portlands-population/
OMG!  0.2% is the amount of covid ded.

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				Quote from: cw_ post_id=448594 time=1651378063 user_id=3226
Sure it had an influence. There are certainly anecdotal reports that attest to such.  Can't be extrapolated to All or Most though.  :P
lol, it was more than an influence. What is happening in Portalnd can be seen in many US cities. We had BLM protests, but not riots, looting, and vandalism. Canadian cities didn't have businesses fleeing downtown core areas like Portland and Seattle did. The biggest flight though is taking place in the biggest cities like NYC, LA, Chicago, and Philadelphia.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/jackkelly/2020/06/02/cities-will-see-citizens-flee-fearing-continued-riots-and-the-reemergence-of-covid-19/?sh=4bad8897d30d
			 
			
			
				I was dead wrong about Canadian cities. Our biggest cities are experiencing flight. Still Torontonians didn't have their downtown businesses destroyed.
TORONTO -- Canada's biggest cities are experiencing a record-breaking loss of people as urbanites move to smaller bedroom communities in search of affordable homes.
According to a new Statistics Canada report, Montreal and Toronto both saw a record loss of people from July 2019 to July 2020 as urban-dwellers moved to the suburbs, smaller towns and rural areas. 
Toronto lost 50,375 people over those 12 months while nearby Oshawa, Ont. saw its population grow by 2.1 per cent — the fastest population growth in the country. Kitchener–Cambridge–Waterloo in Ontario and Halifax were tied for the second-fastest growth, at 2 per cent. 
https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/canadians-leaving-big-cities-in-record-numbers-statistics-canada-1.5270161
The difference between flight from Canadian cities is that most people are not moving to the burbs, they are moving to more affordable second and third tier cities.
			
			
			
				https://youtu.be/PCEp9XR1c7Q
			
			
			
				The lunatic fringe of the Democratic Party controls most of the biggest American cities. What makes Portland different than most is that crazy White anarchists have too much influence instead of crazy Black anarchists.
			
			
			
				Quote from: "iron horse jockey" post_id=448610 time=1651422848 user_id=2015
The lunatic fringe of the Democratic Party controls most of the biggest American cities. What makes Portland different than most is that crazy White anarchists have too much influence instead of crazy Black anarchists.
Speaking of ..... I just posted Portland mismanagement.... due to the policies of crazies Portland had to kill the Cold Case Squad - How terrible for victim families to know they are not even trying !!
https://thebluecashew.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=12038&p=448614#p448614
			 
			
			
				Quote from: seoulbro post_id=448604 time=1651407156 user_id=114
I was dead wrong about Canadian cities. Our biggest cities are experiencing flight. Still Torontonians didn't have their downtown businesses destroyed.
TORONTO -- Canada's biggest cities are experiencing a record-breaking loss of people as urbanites move to smaller bedroom communities in search of affordable homes.
According to a new Statistics Canada report, Montreal and Toronto both saw a record loss of people from July 2019 to July 2020 as urban-dwellers moved to the suburbs, smaller towns and rural areas. 
Toronto lost 50,375 people over those 12 months while nearby Oshawa, Ont. saw its population grow by 2.1 per cent — the fastest population growth in the country. Kitchener–Cambridge–Waterloo in Ontario and Halifax were tied for the second-fastest growth, at 2 per cent. 
https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/canadians-leaving-big-cities-in-record-numbers-statistics-canada-1.5270161
The difference between flight from Canadian cities is that most people are not moving to the burbs, they are moving to more affordable second and third tier cities.
See there, we learned something.  
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https://youtu.be/PCEp9XR1c7Q

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				Quote from: "iron horse jockey" post_id=448610 time=1651422848 user_id=2015
The lunatic fringe of the Democratic Party controls most of the biggest American cities. What makes Portland different than most is that crazy White anarchists have too much influence instead of crazy Black anarchists.
I can understand African-American protesters in cities like Chicago a little even though they're blaming the wrong people. However, those pampered white marxist sheeple in Portland make me cringe. Drop a biological bomb on their entitled white whiner asses.
			 
			
			
				Quote from: "Shen Li" post_id=448640 time=1651441857 user_id=56
Quote from: "iron horse jockey" post_id=448610 time=1651422848 user_id=2015
The lunatic fringe of the Democratic Party controls most of the biggest American cities. What makes Portland different than most is that crazy White anarchists have too much influence instead of crazy Black anarchists.
I can understand African-American protesters in cities like Chicago a little even though they're blaming the wrong people. However, those pampered white marxist sheeple in Portland make me cringe. Drop a biological bomb on their entitled white whiner asses.
Lawless American cities are lawless American cities. Mayors and city councils are tying the hands of the police. What difference does it make if the criminals destroying cities are black or white.
			 
			
			
				Quote from: Gaon post_id=448651 time=1651445963 user_id=3170
Quote from: "Shen Li" post_id=448640 time=1651441857 user_id=56
Quote from: "iron horse jockey" post_id=448610 time=1651422848 user_id=2015
The lunatic fringe of the Democratic Party controls most of the biggest American cities. What makes Portland different than most is that crazy White anarchists have too much influence instead of crazy Black anarchists.
I can understand African-American protesters in cities like Chicago a little even though they're blaming the wrong people. However, those pampered white marxist sheeple in Portland make me cringe. Drop a biological bomb on their entitled white whiner asses.
Lawless American cities are lawless American cities. Mayors and city councils are tying the hands of the police. What difference does it make if the criminals destroying cities are black or white.
SCOUSE blames Jews for every societal ill and Shen blames Caucasian liberals.
			 
			
			
				Quote from: Fashionista post_id=448653 time=1651446589 user_id=3254
SCOUSE blames Jews for every societal ill and Shen blames Caucasian liberals.
2 pees in a pod :laugh:
			 
			
			
				Quote from: Fashionista post_id=448653 time=1651446589 user_id=3254
Quote from: Gaon post_id=448651 time=1651445963 user_id=3170
Quote from: "Shen Li" post_id=448640 time=1651441857 user_id=56
Quote from: "iron horse jockey" post_id=448610 time=1651422848 user_id=2015
The lunatic fringe of the Democratic Party controls most of the biggest American cities. What makes Portland different than most is that crazy White anarchists have too much influence instead of crazy Black anarchists.
I can understand African-American protesters in cities like Chicago a little even though they're blaming the wrong people. However, those pampered white marxist sheeple in Portland make me cringe. Drop a biological bomb on their entitled white whiner asses.
Lawless American cities are lawless American cities. Mayors and city councils are tying the hands of the police. What difference does it make if the criminals destroying cities are black or white.
SCOUSE blames Jews for every societal ill and Shen blames Caucasian liberals.
It's foolish policies in cities like Portland and Seattle, not race or religion.
			 
			
			
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Quote from: Fashionista post_id=448653 time=1651446589 user_id=3254
SCOUSE blames Jews for every societal ill and Shen blames Caucasian liberals.
2 pees in a pod :laugh:
They pretend to dislike each other when in fact they have so much in common.
 :laugh:
			 
			
			
				Quote from: Gaon post_id=448651 time=1651445963 user_id=3170
Quote from: "Shen Li" post_id=448640 time=1651441857 user_id=56
Quote from: "iron horse jockey" post_id=448610 time=1651422848 user_id=2015
The lunatic fringe of the Democratic Party controls most of the biggest American cities. What makes Portland different than most is that crazy White anarchists have too much influence instead of crazy Black anarchists.
I can understand African-American protesters in cities like Chicago a little even though they're blaming the wrong people. However, those pampered white marxist sheeple in Portland make me cringe. Drop a biological bomb on their entitled white whiner asses.
Lawless American cities are lawless American cities. Mayors and city councils are tying the hands of the police. What difference does it make if the criminals destroying cities are black or white.
Portland city councilwoman Jo Ann Hardesty called the cops over an argument with a Lyft driver days before the city council was scheduled to vote on her proposal to slash millions from the police budget.
The hypocrisy is glaring, but the bigger lesson is about the damage an activist political class can do to cities all over America if they follow in Portland's foolish footsteps. 
Days after her abuse of emergency services, the council took up Hardesy's proposal to slash $18 million from the police budget. 
Crazy progs running a naturally beautiful city into the ground. Their insane governing style don't affect them, so they don't give a shit how it affects people who work for a living.
			 
			
			
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Quote from: cc post_id=448654 time=1651446798 user_id=88
Quote from: Fashionista post_id=448653 time=1651446589 user_id=3254
SCOUSE blames Jews for every societal ill and Shen blames Caucasian liberals.
2 pees in a pod :laugh:
They pretend to dislike each other when in fact they have so much in common.
 :laugh:
He has a tiny flat butt too?  :43(2):
			 
			
			
				Quote from: Herman post_id=448667 time=1651452117 user_id=1689
Quote from: Gaon post_id=448651 time=1651445963 user_id=3170
Quote from: "Shen Li" post_id=448640 time=1651441857 user_id=56
Quote from: "iron horse jockey" post_id=448610 time=1651422848 user_id=2015
The lunatic fringe of the Democratic Party controls most of the biggest American cities. What makes Portland different than most is that crazy White anarchists have too much influence instead of crazy Black anarchists.
I can understand African-American protesters in cities like Chicago a little even though they're blaming the wrong people. However, those pampered white marxist sheeple in Portland make me cringe. Drop a biological bomb on their entitled white whiner asses.
Lawless American cities are lawless American cities. Mayors and city councils are tying the hands of the police. What difference does it make if the criminals destroying cities are black or white.
Portland city councilwoman Jo Ann Hardesty called the cops over an argument with a Lyft driver days before the city council was scheduled to vote on her proposal to slash millions from the police budget.
The hypocrisy is glaring, but the bigger lesson is about the damage an activist political class can do to cities all over America if they follow in Portland's foolish footsteps. 
Days after her abuse of emergency services, the council took up Hardesy's proposal to slash $18 million from the police budget. 
Crazy progs running a naturally beautiful city into the ground. Their insane governing style don't affect them, so they don't give a shit how it affects people who work for a living.
Oregon is a gorgeous state. That is not enough to keep people in it's largest city that is governed by extremists.
			 
			
			
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Quote from: Herman post_id=448667 time=1651452117 user_id=1689
Quote from: Gaon post_id=448651 time=1651445963 user_id=3170
Quote from: "Shen Li" post_id=448640 time=1651441857 user_id=56
Quote from: "iron horse jockey" post_id=448610 time=1651422848 user_id=2015
The lunatic fringe of the Democratic Party controls most of the biggest American cities. What makes Portland different than most is that crazy White anarchists have too much influence instead of crazy Black anarchists.
I can understand African-American protesters in cities like Chicago a little even though they're blaming the wrong people. However, those pampered white marxist sheeple in Portland make me cringe. Drop a biological bomb on their entitled white whiner asses.
Lawless American cities are lawless American cities. Mayors and city councils are tying the hands of the police. What difference does it make if the criminals destroying cities are black or white.
Portland city councilwoman Jo Ann Hardesty called the cops over an argument with a Lyft driver days before the city council was scheduled to vote on her proposal to slash millions from the police budget.
The hypocrisy is glaring, but the bigger lesson is about the damage an activist political class can do to cities all over America if they follow in Portland's foolish footsteps. 
Days after her abuse of emergency services, the council took up Hardesy's proposal to slash $18 million from the police budget. 
Crazy progs running a naturally beautiful city into the ground. Their insane governing style don't affect them, so they don't give a shit how it affects people who work for a living.
Oregon is a gorgeous state. That is not enough to keep people in it's largest city that is governed by extremists.
I rode my bike from Vancouver to San Diego. That was over thirty years ago mind you. I was in Portland. It was a liberal city then. But, it didn't have all the homelessness, crime, continued violence, drugs, trash, and boarded up businesses. It was prog elite pricks who caused that.
			 
			
			
				The first part of the video is the map summary of all of the neighborhoods in the central city. If you do not want to see that, then skip to about 19 minutes.
Enjoy the ride.  : D
https://youtu.be/cGQb1Ci1dgI
			
			
			
				Very differernt from a video I saw of Portland, but that's to be expected..
It reminds me of a travel show episode I saw about San Francisco..
Youtube isn't working for me this morning, but I think this is also part of Pirtland life.

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But, none of this really matters..
If you think Portland is a livable city, it doesn't matter what anyone else's opinnion of the city is.
			 
			
			
				A lot of cities on the West Coast, on both sides of the border are experiencing the consequences of well meaning but stupid housing rules. 
City council gave tacit approval to those riots that took place in Portland by allowing it and that did not help the city's image nor give anyone confidence in the city's administration. 
Spokane took a very different approach to rioting. That was leadership in my opinion.
			
			
			
				Quote from: seoulbro post_id=448715 time=1651492601 user_id=114
A lot of cities on the West Coast, on both sides of the border are experiencing the consequences of well meaning but stupid housing rules. 
City council gave tacit approval to those riots that took place in Portland by allowing it and that did not help the city's image nor give anyone confidence in the city's administration. 
Spokane took a very different approach to rioting. That was leadership in my opinion.
We had race protests in the Peg. No violence, looting or vandalism rhough.
			 
			
			
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But, none of this really matters..
If you think Portland is a livable city, it doesn't matter what anyone else's opinnion of the city is.
 
I scour the internet for the longest and most boring video EVER, and this is the thanks I get?!  heh
I don't think any city is livable.  That's why I don't live anywhere near one.
But you did ask:
"How can businesses survive in Portland."
So there's your answer.
			 
			
			
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But, none of this really matters..
If you think Portland is a livable city, it doesn't matter what anyone else's opinnion of the city is.
 
I scour the internet for the longest and most boring video EVER, and this is the thanks I get?!  heh
I don't think any city is livable.  That's why I don't live anywhere near one.
But you did ask:
"How can businesses survive in Portland."
So there's your answer.
And then we can assume the ones that are leaving aren't surviving..
Calgary had been losing tennants in our downtown office towers......it seems to have stabilized now.
			 
			
			
				Quote from: "iron horse jockey" post_id=448718 time=1651503061 user_id=2015
Quote from: seoulbro post_id=448715 time=1651492601 user_id=114
A lot of cities on the West Coast, on both sides of the border are experiencing the consequences of well meaning but stupid housing rules. 
City council gave tacit approval to those riots that took place in Portland by allowing it and that did not help the city's image nor give anyone confidence in the city's administration. 
Spokane took a very different approach to rioting. That was leadership in my opinion.
We had race protests in the Peg. No violence, looting or vandalism rhough.
Portland city councillors would have encouraged them to loot and vandalize businesses.
			 
			
			
				Quote from: seoulbro post_id=448715 time=1651492601 user_id=114
Spokane took a very different approach to rioting. That was leadership in my opinion.
I agree strongly. Spokane is a working person town ... and on the other side of the mountains ... not part of Left coast at all
			 
			
			
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Quote from: seoulbro post_id=448715 time=1651492601 user_id=114
Spokane took a very different approach to rioting. That was leadership in my opinion.
I agree strongly. Spokane is a working person town ... and on the other side of the mountains ... not part of Left coast at all
Night and day difference.
			 
			
			
				I like motorcycle thingy's generally, but not the motorcycle gangs. We have an abundance of grown men here in Australia, that identify themselves as gangsters, but are really are just braindead cretins. 

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I like motorcycle thingy's generally, but not the motorcycle gangs. We have an abundance of grown men here in Australia, that identify themselves as gangsters, but are really are just braindead cretins. 

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They are all together.
			 
			
			
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I like motorcycle thingy's generally, but not the motorcycle gangs. We have an abundance of grown men here in Australia, that identify themselves as gangsters, but are really are just braindead cretins. 

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They are all together.
They work together sometimes. I can't stand them.
			 
			
			
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Quote from: Bonkerfist post_id=449467 time=1652080304 user_id=3358
I like motorcycle thingy's generally, but not the motorcycle gangs. We have an abundance of grown men here in Australia, that identify themselves as gangsters, but are really are just braindead cretins. 

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They are all together.
They work together sometimes. I can't stand them.
I see.
			 
			
			
				Something about em doesn't seem very gangy, scary or dangerous
 ac_biggrin
			
			
			
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Something about em doesn't seem very gangy, scary or dangerous
 ac_biggrin
You got that right.
			 
			
			
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Something about em doesn't seem very gangy, scary or dangerous
 ac_biggrin
They're obnoxious in groups, but just like any other person by themselves alone albeit uncouth. Men that still think that they can act like unruly teenagers. In many states it's against the law for them to wear their club colours as it just instigates fights.
			 
			
			
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Quote from: cc post_id=449551 time=1652132903 user_id=88
Something about em doesn't seem very gangy, scary or dangerous
 ac_biggrin
They're obnoxious in groups, but just like any other person by themselves alone albeit uncouth. Men that still think that they can act like unruly teenagers. In many states it's against the law for them to wear their club colours as it just instigates fights.
They look like a bunch of men who are not outlaw bikers wearing patches they bought online.
			 
			
			
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Quote from: cc post_id=449551 time=1652132903 user_id=88
Something about em doesn't seem very gangy, scary or dangerous
 ac_biggrin
They're obnoxious in groups, but just like any other person by themselves alone albeit uncouth. Men that still think that they can act like unruly teenagers. In many states it's against the law for them to wear their club colours as it just instigates fights.
Bars here won't allow gang colours.
			 
			
			
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Quote from: cc post_id=449551 time=1652132903 user_id=88
Something about em doesn't seem very gangy, scary or dangerous
 ac_biggrin
They're obnoxious in groups, but just like any other person by themselves alone albeit uncouth. Men that still think that they can act like unruly teenagers. In many states it's against the law for them to wear their club colours as it just instigates fights.
They look like a bunch of men who are not outlaw bikers wearing patches they bought online.
Frickin posers.
			 
			
			
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Quote from: Bonkerfist post_id=449637 time=1652158963 user_id=3358
Quote from: cc post_id=449551 time=1652132903 user_id=88
Something about em doesn't seem very gangy, scary or dangerous
 ac_biggrin
They're obnoxious in groups, but just like any other person by themselves alone albeit uncouth. Men that still think that they can act like unruly teenagers. In many states it's against the law for them to wear their club colours as it just instigates fights.
They look like a bunch of men who are not outlaw bikers wearing patches they bought online.
Lol...yeah, new jackets and jeans for the photoshoot. Normally they are a lot more disheveled.  :laugh3:
			 
			
			
				Quote from: "iron horse jockey" post_id=449661 time=1652203226 user_id=2015
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Quote from: cc post_id=449551 time=1652132903 user_id=88
Something about em doesn't seem very gangy, scary or dangerous
 ac_biggrin
They're obnoxious in groups, but just like any other person by themselves alone albeit uncouth. Men that still think that they can act like unruly teenagers. In many states it's against the law for them to wear their club colours as it just instigates fights.
Bars here won't allow gang colours.
Yeah...sorry that's what I meant. No colours in most establishments these days. Having said all that, there are some good actual motorcycle clubs that do a lot of charity work and ride to live as was originally intended. Enjoy the scene and friendship.
			 
			
			
				Quote from: Bonkerfist post_id=449833 time=1652341238 user_id=3358
Quote from: "iron horse jockey" post_id=449661 time=1652203226 user_id=2015
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Quote from: cc post_id=449551 time=1652132903 user_id=88
Something about em doesn't seem very gangy, scary or dangerous
 ac_biggrin
They're obnoxious in groups, but just like any other person by themselves alone albeit uncouth. Men that still think that they can act like unruly teenagers. In many states it's against the law for them to wear their club colours as it just instigates fights.
Bars here won't allow gang colours.
Yeah...sorry that's what I meant. No colours in most establishments these days. Having said all that, there are some good actual motorcycle clubs that do a lot of charity work and ride to live as was originally intended. Enjoy the scene and friendship.
Herman likes to ride with groups of other men, possibly a club, I don't know.
			 
			
			
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Quote from: Bonkerfist post_id=449833 time=1652341238 user_id=3358
Quote from: "iron horse jockey" post_id=449661 time=1652203226 user_id=2015
Quote from: Bonkerfist post_id=449637 time=1652158963 user_id=3358
Quote from: cc post_id=449551 time=1652132903 user_id=88
Something about em doesn't seem very gangy, scary or dangerous
 ac_biggrin
They're obnoxious in groups, but just like any other person by themselves alone albeit uncouth. Men that still think that they can act like unruly teenagers. In many states it's against the law for them to wear their club colours as it just instigates fights.
Bars here won't allow gang colours.
Yeah...sorry that's what I meant. No colours in most establishments these days. Having said all that, there are some good actual motorcycle clubs that do a lot of charity work and ride to live as was originally intended. Enjoy the scene and friendship.
Herman likes to ride with groups of other men, possibly a club, I don't know.
It's good for mates to ride for the right reasons. I'm all for that good behaviour. I haven't owned a bike for absolute ages. They call motorcyclists Temporary Australians here in Oz...on account of the shit road users of course. Did you know that the fast lane doesn't exist here in Australia? Everyone just drives in any lane! It's unbelievable...
			 
			
			
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Quote from: Fashionista post_id=449847 time=1652355342 user_id=3254
Quote from: Bonkerfist post_id=449833 time=1652341238 user_id=3358
Quote from: "iron horse jockey" post_id=449661 time=1652203226 user_id=2015
Quote from: Bonkerfist post_id=449637 time=1652158963 user_id=3358
They're obnoxious in groups, but just like any other person by themselves alone albeit uncouth. Men that still think that they can act like unruly teenagers. In many states it's against the law for them to wear their club colours as it just instigates fights.
Bars here won't allow gang colours.
Yeah...sorry that's what I meant. No colours in most establishments these days. Having said all that, there are some good actual motorcycle clubs that do a lot of charity work and ride to live as was originally intended. Enjoy the scene and friendship.
Herman likes to ride with groups of other men, possibly a club, I don't know.
It's good for mates to ride for the right reasons. I'm all for that good behaviour. I haven't owned a bike for absolute ages. They call motorcyclists Temporary Australians here in Oz...on account of the shit road users of course. Did you know that the fast lane doesn't exist here in Australia? Everyone just drives in any lane! It's unbelievable...
No passing lanes on Australian highways?
			 
			
			
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Quote from: Bonkerfist post_id=449862 time=1652361167 user_id=3358
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Quote from: "iron horse jockey" post_id=449661 time=1652203226 user_id=2015
Bars here won't allow gang colours.
Yeah...sorry that's what I meant. No colours in most establishments these days. Having said all that, there are some good actual motorcycle clubs that do a lot of charity work and ride to live as was originally intended. Enjoy the scene and friendship.
Herman likes to ride with groups of other men, possibly a club, I don't know.
It's good for mates to ride for the right reasons. I'm all for that good behaviour. I haven't owned a bike for absolute ages. They call motorcyclists Temporary Australians here in Oz...on account of the shit road users of course. Did you know that the fast lane doesn't exist here in Australia? Everyone just drives in any lane! It's unbelievable...
No passing lanes on Australian highways?
The left lanes are for people roughly sticking to the speed limit. The right lane here is meant for passing. 
Unfortunately, they issue drivers licences to anybody these days (vision challenged Asians fresh off the boat and young millennials)
			 
			
			
				Quote from: "Dinky Dazza" post_id=449867 time=1652367387 user_id=1676
Quote from: seoulbro post_id=449865 time=1652363787 user_id=114
Quote from: Bonkerfist post_id=449862 time=1652361167 user_id=3358
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Yeah...sorry that's what I meant. No colours in most establishments these days. Having said all that, there are some good actual motorcycle clubs that do a lot of charity work and ride to live as was originally intended. Enjoy the scene and friendship.
Herman likes to ride with groups of other men, possibly a club, I don't know.
It's good for mates to ride for the right reasons. I'm all for that good behaviour. I haven't owned a bike for absolute ages. They call motorcyclists Temporary Australians here in Oz...on account of the shit road users of course. Did you know that the fast lane doesn't exist here in Australia? Everyone just drives in any lane! It's unbelievable...
No passing lanes on Australian highways?
The left lanes are for people roughly sticking to the speed limit. The right lane here is meant for passing. 
That's what I assumed.
			 
			
			
				Quote from: Fashionista post_id=449847 time=1652355342 user_id=3254
Quote from: Bonkerfist post_id=449833 time=1652341238 user_id=3358
Quote from: "iron horse jockey" post_id=449661 time=1652203226 user_id=2015
Quote from: Bonkerfist post_id=449637 time=1652158963 user_id=3358
Quote from: cc post_id=449551 time=1652132903 user_id=88
Something about em doesn't seem very gangy, scary or dangerous
 ac_biggrin
They're obnoxious in groups, but just like any other person by themselves alone albeit uncouth. Men that still think that they can act like unruly teenagers. In many states it's against the law for them to wear their club colours as it just instigates fights.
Bars here won't allow gang colours.
Yeah...sorry that's what I meant. No colours in most establishments these days. Having said all that, there are some good actual motorcycle clubs that do a lot of charity work and ride to live as was originally intended. Enjoy the scene and friendship.
Herman likes to ride with groups of other men, possibly a club, I don't know.
When I was young I hung with one percenter "clubs" all over the world. Now I meet up and ride with a good bunch of guys all over the age of forty five. We meet in Regina a couple times a month and go on rides and drink.
			 
			
			
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Quote from: "Dinky Dazza" post_id=449867 time=1652367387 user_id=1676
Quote from: seoulbro post_id=449865 time=1652363787 user_id=114
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Quote from: Fashionista post_id=449847 time=1652355342 user_id=3254
Herman likes to ride with groups of other men, possibly a club, I don't know.
It's good for mates to ride for the right reasons. I'm all for that good behaviour. I haven't owned a bike for absolute ages. They call motorcyclists Temporary Australians here in Oz...on account of the shit road users of course. Did you know that the fast lane doesn't exist here in Australia? Everyone just drives in any lane! It's unbelievable...
No passing lanes on Australian highways?
The left lanes are for people roughly sticking to the speed limit. The right lane here is meant for passing. 
That's what I assumed.
Back in South Africa, if you were in the fast lane going slow...they flick their lights at you from 200m back! If you were still in that right lane by the time that they caught up with you...then gunshots would probably ensue. True story...
			 
			
			
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They're obnoxious in groups, but just like any other person by themselves alone albeit uncouth. Men that still think that they can act like unruly teenagers. In many states it's against the law for them to wear their club colours as it just instigates fights.
Bars here won't allow gang colours.
Yeah...sorry that's what I meant. No colours in most establishments these days. Having said all that, there are some good actual motorcycle clubs that do a lot of charity work and ride to live as was originally intended. Enjoy the scene and friendship.
Herman likes to ride with groups of other men, possibly a club, I don't know.
When I was young I hung with one percenter "clubs" all over the world. Now I meet up and ride with a good bunch of guys all over the age of forty five. We meet in Regina a couple times a month and go on rides and drink.
That's what it's all about. My missus wants a buy a Harley with a sidecar. She wants to ride with me in the sidecar! Lol
			 
			
			
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It's good for mates to ride for the right reasons. I'm all for that good behaviour. I haven't owned a bike for absolute ages. They call motorcyclists Temporary Australians here in Oz...on account of the shit road users of course. Did you know that the fast lane doesn't exist here in Australia? Everyone just drives in any lane! It's unbelievable...
No passing lanes on Australian highways?
The left lanes are for people roughly sticking to the speed limit. The right lane here is meant for passing. 
That's what I assumed.
Back in South Africa, if you were in the fast lane going slow...they flick their lights at you from 200m back! If you were still in that right lane by the time that they caught up with you...then gunshots would probably ensue. True story...
 :ohmy:
			 
			
			
				Quote from: Bonkerfist post_id=449467 time=1652080304 user_id=3358
I like motorcycle thingy's generally, but not the motorcycle gangs. We have an abundance of grown men here in Australia, that identify themselves as gangsters, but are really are just braindead cretins. 

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If they are outlaw bikers, they don't look very intimidating.
			 
			
			
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Quote from: Bonkerfist post_id=449467 time=1652080304 user_id=3358
I like motorcycle thingy's generally, but not the motorcycle gangs. We have an abundance of grown men here in Australia, that identify themselves as gangsters, but are really are just braindead cretins. 

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If they are outlaw bikers, they don't look very intimidating.
I could tell you some stories. They're mostly intimidating in groups. Their nominees, "noms" deal out most of the stupidity and are willing to go to jail for it. I came so close to contaminating their water source with arsenic at a particular HQ. It was purely the collateral damage that made me think better of it. 
Even earlier this week when there was an inter-gang murderous blood bath at a Sydney chapter, I laughed my arse off. These cretins deserve every thing that they get. 
Live by the sword...die by the sword, as they say.
 :laugh3:
			 
			
			
				Quote from: Bonkerfist post_id=449994 time=1652484040 user_id=3358
Quote from: "Shen Li" post_id=449993 time=1652481419 user_id=56
Quote from: Bonkerfist post_id=449467 time=1652080304 user_id=3358
I like motorcycle thingy's generally, but not the motorcycle gangs. We have an abundance of grown men here in Australia, that identify themselves as gangsters, but are really are just braindead cretins. 

(//%3C/s%3E%20%3CURL%20url=%22https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTL7QMO0VeGGU2KnHcNVtX8yiIn8ekBMuIC5A&usqp=CAU%22%3E%3CLINK_TEXT%20text=%22https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/imag%20...%20A&usqp=CAU%22%3Ehttps://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTL7QMO0VeGGU2KnHcNVtX8yiIn8ekBMuIC5A&usqp=CAU%3C/LINK_TEXT%3E%3C/URL%3E%3Ce%3E)
If they are outlaw bikers, they don't look very intimidating.
I could tell you some stories. They're mostly intimidating in groups. Their nominees, "noms" deal out most of the stupidity and are willing to go to jail for it. I came so close to contaminating their water source with arsenic at a particular HQ. It was purely the collateral damage that made me think better of it. 
Even earlier this week when there was an inter-gang murderous blood bath at a Sydney chapter, I laughed my arse off. These cretins deserve every thing that they get. 
Live by the sword...die by the sword, as they say.
 :laugh3:
 :ohmy:
			 
			
			
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Quote from: Bonkerfist post_id=449467 time=1652080304 user_id=3358
I like motorcycle thingy's generally, but not the motorcycle gangs. We have an abundance of grown men here in Australia, that identify themselves as gangsters, but are really are just braindead cretins. 

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If they are outlaw bikers, they don't look very intimidating.
I could tell you some stories. They're mostly intimidating in groups. Their nominees, "noms" deal out most of the stupidity and are willing to go to jail for it. I came so close to contaminating their water source with arsenic at a particular HQ. It was purely the collateral damage that made me think better of it. 
Even earlier this week when there was an inter-gang murderous blood bath at a Sydney chapter, I laughed my arse off. These cretins deserve every thing that they get. 
Live by the sword...die by the sword, as they say.
 :laugh3:
 :ohmy:
They're criminals Fash. They rape, plunder and kill people. Most of our deaths are attributed to these clowns. I got caught up with them by just walking past them at a dingy nightclub years ago. Four or five blokes overpowered me at one of their clubs and kicked the shit out of me. Mistaken identity. Broken ribs and a possible cracked skull. I was mad as hell and their apologies just didn't cut it for me. It took me years to get over that one. In the end I didn't want to possibly run the risk of jail.
			 
			
			
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Quote from: Bonkerfist post_id=449467 time=1652080304 user_id=3358
I like motorcycle thingy's generally, but not the motorcycle gangs. We have an abundance of grown men here in Australia, that identify themselves as gangsters, but are really are just braindead cretins. 

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If they are outlaw bikers, they don't look very intimidating.
I could tell you some stories. They're mostly intimidating in groups. Their nominees, "noms" deal out most of the stupidity and are willing to go to jail for it. I came so close to contaminating their water source with arsenic at a particular HQ. It was purely the collateral damage that made me think better of it. 
Even earlier this week when there was an inter-gang murderous blood bath at a Sydney chapter, I laughed my arse off. These cretins deserve every thing that they get. 
Live by the sword...die by the sword, as they say.
 :laugh3:
 :ohmy:
They're criminals Fash. They rape, plunder and kill people. Most of our deaths are attributed to these clowns. I got caught up with them by just walking past them at a dingy nightclub years ago. Four or five blokes overpowered me at one of their clubs and kicked the shit out of me. Mistaken identity. Broken ribs and a possible cracked skull. I was mad as hell and their apologies just didn't cut it for me. It took me years to get over that one. In the end I didn't want to possibly run the risk of jail.
I saw a group of Hells Angels in a parking lot in Calgary many years ago while walking to my car..
My heart was in my mouth..
But, I was nervous for nothing.....they got on their motorcycles and rode away.
			 
			
			
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If they are outlaw bikers, they don't look very intimidating.
I could tell you some stories. They're mostly intimidating in groups. Their nominees, "noms" deal out most of the stupidity and are willing to go to jail for it. I came so close to contaminating their water source with arsenic at a particular HQ. It was purely the collateral damage that made me think better of it. 
Even earlier this week when there was an inter-gang murderous blood bath at a Sydney chapter, I laughed my arse off. These cretins deserve every thing that they get. 
Live by the sword...die by the sword, as they say.
 :laugh3:
 :ohmy:
They're criminals Fash. They rape, plunder and kill people. Most of our deaths are attributed to these clowns. I got caught up with them by just walking past them at a dingy nightclub years ago. Four or five blokes overpowered me at one of their clubs and kicked the shit out of me. Mistaken identity. Broken ribs and a possible cracked skull. I was mad as hell and their apologies just didn't cut it for me. It took me years to get over that one. In the end I didn't want to possibly run the risk of jail.
I saw a group of Hells Angels in a parking lot in Calgary many years ago while walking to my car..
My heart was in my mouth..
But, I was nervous for nothing.....they got on their motorcycles and rode away.
Hell's Angels do good work from time to time. 
This one time they were hired as bouncers at a Grinspoon concert in my village. I grabbed some beers from the bar and was walking through the crowd, when some mates lifted me up into a crowd surf. I had to hold my beers to the side in crucifix fashion while I progressed on my back getting passed around the crowd. Finally this short Hell's Angle grabbed by jeans by the ankle section and pulled me down. A couple more escorted me out for "crowd surfing"...
I marched straight home, grabbed a tub of Neapolitan ice cream and through ice cream cones at them, goading them to come fight me.
The lead singer, Phil Jamieson, pissed himself laughing. He shouted on the mic, "did you see that guy...he looked just like Jesus Christ!?"
 ac_lmfao 
https://youtu.be/rgyM8edUIQI
			 
			
			
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I could tell you some stories. They're mostly intimidating in groups. Their nominees, "noms" deal out most of the stupidity and are willing to go to jail for it. I came so close to contaminating their water source with arsenic at a particular HQ. It was purely the collateral damage that made me think better of it. 
Even earlier this week when there was an inter-gang murderous blood bath at a Sydney chapter, I laughed my arse off. These cretins deserve every thing that they get. 
Live by the sword...die by the sword, as they say.
 :laugh3:
 :ohmy:
They're criminals Fash. They rape, plunder and kill people. Most of our deaths are attributed to these clowns. I got caught up with them by just walking past them at a dingy nightclub years ago. Four or five blokes overpowered me at one of their clubs and kicked the shit out of me. Mistaken identity. Broken ribs and a possible cracked skull. I was mad as hell and their apologies just didn't cut it for me. It took me years to get over that one. In the end I didn't want to possibly run the risk of jail.
I saw a group of Hells Angels in a parking lot in Calgary many years ago while walking to my car..
My heart was in my mouth..
But, I was nervous for nothing.....they got on their motorcycles and rode away.
Hell's Angels do good work from time to time. 
This one time they were hired as bouncers at a Grinspoon concert in my village. I grabbed some beers from the bar and was walking through the crowd, when some mates lifted me up into a crowd surf. I had to hold my beers to the side in crucifix fashion while I progressed on my back getting passed around the crowd. Finally this short Hell's Angle grabbed by jeans by the ankle section and pulled me down. A couple more escorted me out for "crowd surfing"...
I marched straight home, grabbed a tub of Neapolitan ice cream and through ice cream cones at them, goading them to come fight me.
The lead singer, Phil Jamieson, pissed himself laughing. He shouted on the mic, "did you see that guy...he looked just like Jesus Christ!?"
 ac_lmfao 
https://youtu.be/rgyM8edUIQI
I heard the HA did concert security. Probably their only legal income source.
			 
			
			
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Quote from: Fashionista post_id=450108 time=1652531726 user_id=3254
 :ohmy:
They're criminals Fash. They rape, plunder and kill people. Most of our deaths are attributed to these clowns. I got caught up with them by just walking past them at a dingy nightclub years ago. Four or five blokes overpowered me at one of their clubs and kicked the shit out of me. Mistaken identity. Broken ribs and a possible cracked skull. I was mad as hell and their apologies just didn't cut it for me. It took me years to get over that one. In the end I didn't want to possibly run the risk of jail.
I saw a group of Hells Angels in a parking lot in Calgary many years ago while walking to my car..
My heart was in my mouth..
But, I was nervous for nothing.....they got on their motorcycles and rode away.
Hell's Angels do good work from time to time. 
This one time they were hired as bouncers at a Grinspoon concert in my village. I grabbed some beers from the bar and was walking through the crowd, when some mates lifted me up into a crowd surf. I had to hold my beers to the side in crucifix fashion while I progressed on my back getting passed around the crowd. Finally this short Hell's Angle grabbed by jeans by the ankle section and pulled me down. A couple more escorted me out for "crowd surfing"...
I marched straight home, grabbed a tub of Neapolitan ice cream and through ice cream cones at them, goading them to come fight me.
The lead singer, Phil Jamieson, pissed himself laughing. He shouted on the mic, "did you see that guy...he looked just like Jesus Christ!?"
 ac_lmfao 
https://youtu.be/rgyM8edUIQI
I heard the HA did concert security. Probably their only legal income source.
Scenic tours on motorcycle and sidecar is another. The Hell's Angels is a very confusing group of bikers. It's a very mixed message augmented by an existential group of individuals. Obviously country to country and generation to generation shapes that anomaly.
Yeah doing concert security in a town that isn't yours is somewhat brazen. I think that I blew their minds with my soft serve of ice creams! Lol....throwing them felt as though I was throwing mini stielhandgranate! The acid trip was sensational.
 :laugh3: 
https://youtu.be/GKmx12kIs-I