Title: Union scum....
Post by: Obvious Li on March 07, 2014, 07:12:09 AM
Post by: Obvious Li on March 07, 2014, 07:12:09 AM
By Tracy Sherlock, Vancouver Sun March 6, 2014
B.C. teachers voted overwhelmingly in favour of a strike late Thursday, said Jim Iker, president of the B.C. Teachers' Federation, with 89 per cent of those who voted in agreement.
Neither the government nor the teachers have released full details of their contract proposals, and negotiations will continue through next week. During spring break, the federation holds its annual general meeting in Vancouver and bargaining will likely be suspended.
How much do teachers earn?
The BCTF says the 2012-13 average teacher salary in B.C. was $71,485. Last week, the figure $80,582 was reported, but this is an average of "educator" salaries, which includes teachers and more highly paid administrators. In preparing affidavits to estimate what it would cost to restore 2002 contract language on staffing and class composition, the salary used was approximately $90,000.
The starting salary for a teacher with a bachelor of education degree is $48,083 in Vancouver, according to a chart prepared by the BCTF. The top salary level, reached after 10 years of work, for a teacher with a masters of education is $81,488 in Vancouver.
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Title: Re: Union scum....
Post by: Anonymous on March 07, 2014, 07:42:59 AM
Post by: Anonymous on March 07, 2014, 07:42:59 AM
of all the union scum floating on the surface of the world these cocksuckers are the worst...i could pull the trigger on any one of these fuckers and never give it a second thought......these slugs are simply disgusting on any level........ :ugeek:Quote from: "Obvious Li"B.C. teachers vote in favour of strike
By Tracy Sherlock, Vancouver Sun March 6, 2014
B.C. teachers voted overwhelmingly in favour of a strike late Thursday, said Jim Iker, president of the B.C. Teachers' Federation, with 89 per cent of those who voted in agreement.
Neither the government nor the teachers have released full details of their contract proposals, and negotiations will continue through next week. During spring break, the federation holds its annual general meeting in Vancouver and bargaining will likely be suspended.
How much do teachers earn?
The BCTF says the 2012-13 average teacher salary in B.C. was $71,485. Last week, the figure $80,582 was reported, but this is an average of "educator" salaries, which includes teachers and more highly paid administrators. In preparing affidavits to estimate what it would cost to restore 2002 contract language on staffing and class composition, the salary used was approximately $90,000.
The starting salary for a teacher with a bachelor of education degree is $48,083 in Vancouver, according to a chart prepared by the BCTF. The top salary level, reached after 10 years of work, for a teacher with a masters of education is $81,488 in Vancouver.
Read more:http://www.vancouversun.com/business/teachers+vote+favour+strike/9588607/story.html#ixzz2vHIi3V3Z
Thank you for posting this article Obvious Li..
I don't know the issues here, so I will reserve comment..
But, I will say that I would never send my children to the public school system.
Title: Re: Union scum....
Post by: Odinson on March 07, 2014, 09:45:51 AM
Post by: Odinson on March 07, 2014, 09:45:51 AM
of all the union scum floating on the surface of the world these cocksuckers are the worst...i could pull the trigger on any one of these fuckers and never give it a second thought......these slugs are simply disgusting on any level........ :ugeek:Quote from: "Obvious Li"B.C. teachers vote in favour of strike
By Tracy Sherlock, Vancouver Sun March 6, 2014
B.C. teachers voted overwhelmingly in favour of a strike late Thursday, said Jim Iker, president of the B.C. Teachers' Federation, with 89 per cent of those who voted in agreement.
Neither the government nor the teachers have released full details of their contract proposals, and negotiations will continue through next week. During spring break, the federation holds its annual general meeting in Vancouver and bargaining will likely be suspended.
How much do teachers earn?
The BCTF says the 2012-13 average teacher salary in B.C. was $71,485. Last week, the figure $80,582 was reported, but this is an average of "educator" salaries, which includes teachers and more highly paid administrators. In preparing affidavits to estimate what it would cost to restore 2002 contract language on staffing and class composition, the salary used was approximately $90,000.
The starting salary for a teacher with a bachelor of education degree is $48,083 in Vancouver, according to a chart prepared by the BCTF. The top salary level, reached after 10 years of work, for a teacher with a masters of education is $81,488 in Vancouver.
Read more:http://www.vancouversun.com/business/teachers+vote+favour+strike/9588607/story.html#ixzz2vHIi3V3Z
Thank you for posting this article Obvious Li..
I don't know the issues here, so I will reserve comment..But, I will say that I would never send my children to the public school system.
Very wise considering the public school system on that continent.
Title: Re: Union scum....
Post by: RW on March 07, 2014, 05:36:21 PM
Post by: RW on March 07, 2014, 05:36:21 PM
So Munday, insults aside, what is your exact issue with BC Teachers?
Title: Re: Union scum....
Post by: Anonymous on March 07, 2014, 06:40:57 PM
Post by: Anonymous on March 07, 2014, 06:40:57 PM
Very wise considering the public school system on that continent.Quote from: "Odinson"
What the fuck do you know about the public school system in Canada? I'd say sweet fuck all!!
Title: Re: Union scum....
Post by: Odinson on March 07, 2014, 06:53:07 PM
Post by: Odinson on March 07, 2014, 06:53:07 PM
Very wise considering the public school system on that continent.Quote from: "Odinson"
What the fuck do you know about the public school system in Canada? I'd say sweet fuck all!!
Have this thing called the internet...
Title: Re: Union scum....
Post by: Obvious Li on March 07, 2014, 06:56:23 PM
Post by: Obvious Li on March 07, 2014, 06:56:23 PM
I know this issue well.Quote from: "Real Woman"
So Munday, insults aside, what is your exact issue with BC Teachers?
ok insults aside......same issue as with teachers everywhere.....collectively they are greedy, selfish, lazy and a product of a canadian university degree....in other words they are a bunch of enviro brainwashed, socialist, workers paradise, progressive, white man hating, assholes....the most insulting component of their MO is these pieces of shit continually use your/our children as hostages for their bargaining purposes ......
what other issues do you see that apply
class size, money, hours of work, mainstreaming....all red herring issues resulting from the above...teachers are more than well paid and hired to teach in accordance with the directives of the Ministry of Education...if they cannot do that then quit and work for 1/10 of their salary somewhere else..otherwise STFU and do their job and hope that the public doesn't wake up and realize what a disgrace our educational system has become......
Title: Re: Union scum....
Post by: Anonymous on March 07, 2014, 07:00:49 PM
Post by: Anonymous on March 07, 2014, 07:00:49 PM
I know this issue well.Quote from: "Real Woman"
So Munday, insults aside, what is your exact issue with BC Teachers?
ok insults aside......same issue as with teachers everywhere.....collectively they are greedy, selfish, lazy and a product of a canadian university degree....in other words they are a bunch of enviro brainwashed, socialist, workers paradise, progressive, white man hating, assholes....the most insulting component of their MO is these pieces of shit continually use your/our children as hostages for their bargaining purposes ......
what other issues do you see that apply
class size, money, hours of work, mainstreaming....all red herring issues resulting from the above...teachers are more than well paid and hired to teach in accordance with the directives of the Ministry of Education...if they cannot do that then quit and work for 1/10 of their salary somewhere else..otherwise STFU and do their job and hope that the public doesn't wake up and realize what a disgrace our educational system has become......
I didn't even read the article OL. I've seen it time and time again in other provinces. Money, union power, influence and like you said, social engineering. They crack the whip, governments cave and we pay the tab. Same old, same old.
Title: Re: Union scum....
Post by: Odinson on March 07, 2014, 07:03:30 PM
Post by: Odinson on March 07, 2014, 07:03:30 PM
The place where I was sent was just where they concentrated all the troublemakers.
Title: Re: Union scum....
Post by: Odinson on March 07, 2014, 07:04:09 PM
Post by: Odinson on March 07, 2014, 07:04:09 PM
Title: Re: Union scum....
Post by: RW on March 07, 2014, 07:34:23 PM
Post by: RW on March 07, 2014, 07:34:23 PM
I know this issue well.Quote from: "Real Woman"
So Munday, insults aside, what is your exact issue with BC Teachers?
ok insults aside......same issue as with teachers everywhere.....collectively they are greedy, selfish, lazy and a product of a canadian university degree....in other words they are a bunch of enviro brainwashed, socialist, workers paradise, progressive, white man hating, assholes....the most insulting component of their MO is these pieces of shit continually use your/our children as hostages for their bargaining purposes ......
what other issues do you see that apply
class size, money, hours of work, mainstreaming....all red herring issues resulting from the above...teachers are more than well paid and hired to teach in accordance with the directives of the Ministry of Education...if they cannot do that then quit and work for 1/10 of their salary somewhere else..otherwise STFU and do their job and hope that the public doesn't wake up and realize what a disgrace our educational system has become......
Ah, so the typical uninformed issues. Gotcha.
Our public education system, despite chronic underfunding, remains one of the best in the world. In terms of literacy, according to the CIA Factbook we come in at 100% of kids being able to read or write by age 6. That's the best in the world. In terms of quality of education, the UN Human Development Index ranked Canada 6th in the world at last census. So thank you greedy, lazy pieces of shit teachers for making us look so good on an international stage. Job well done!
So now let's talk salary. Starting salary of a teacher is about $43,000 a year. So 5 years of university education gets them $43K. I've done reception jobs requiring no more than a high school diploma that have paid more in a year than that. Top your degree up to a Master's and you top out at $85K or so. To put that into perspective, my husband who lacks a relevant degree in his field (self taught) makes significantly more than that in a year in the private sector. The common saying by teachers and those who know what they do in a day is that no one goes into teaching for the money and I'm very inclined to believe it. I have two kids in the public school system and I find them hard enough to manage nevermind a classroom with 30 of them. When I say 30 of them, that is my children's actual class size. It is common to see intermediate (grades 4-7) classrooms with 25-30 students, especially since the Liberal government changed class size limits and composition.
So what's class composition? Class composition is how many students with special needs or individual education plans can be assigned to one teacher. The Liberal government removed restrictions on how many students with special education needs can be in a classroom so now teachers are dealing with more students with additional requirements (learning disabilities, behavioral issues, etc). Our teachers hit the picket lines over class size and composition during last negotiations as well as challenged the government in court to give them back the right to bargain class size/composition. The government lost the law suit and was absolutely spanked by the presiding judge for bargaining in BAD faith. (I should note that hasn't actually changed anything. The government still won't change things and have decided to appeal the decision. I'm going to bet money they are going to lose on appeal as well, thus flushing thousands upon thousands of our tax dollars down the toilet for nothing but hey - it's still cheaper than paying for extra teachers and having balanced and non-bloated classrooms, right? There's no lawyers union to bitch about after all.
Why you think people who see systematic faults within a education should STFU and find a different job if they don't like it (I know a few who have BTW) is beyond me.
Title: Re: Union scum....
Post by: RW on March 07, 2014, 07:35:41 PM
Post by: RW on March 07, 2014, 07:35:41 PM
Title: Re: Union scum....
Post by: Anonymous on March 07, 2014, 07:38:41 PM
Post by: Anonymous on March 07, 2014, 07:38:41 PM
And honestly, having been privy to more than one education budgeting sessions, this teacher slagging is the red herring for chronic underfunding of public education. The fact that we still rank as well as we do given the cuts education has seen is truly a testament to the quality of our educators.Quote from: "Real Woman"
I don't know about BC, but our spending on teachers has risen. Actually, since the first two terms of Klein spending on our entire snivel service has gone in one direction.....STRAIGHT UP!!!
Title: Re: Union scum....
Post by: RW on March 07, 2014, 08:34:13 PM
Post by: RW on March 07, 2014, 08:34:13 PM
Title: Re: Union scum....
Post by: Obvious Li on March 07, 2014, 08:59:36 PM
Post by: Obvious Li on March 07, 2014, 08:59:36 PM
And honestly, having been privy to more than one education budgeting sessions, this teacher slagging is the red herring for chronic underfunding of public education. The fact that we still rank as well as we do given the cuts education has seen is truly a testament to the quality of our educators.Quote from: "Real Woman"
what i am slagging is the system and the players in the system...the educational system as with all other progressive systems in this country today is badly broken...it cannot be fixed piece meal..it needs a complete overhaul and transformation...as long as we have powerful unions protecting their interests over the public good this will not happen.....as a country we will continue to slide into third world status until it is irreversible..in my opinion we have passed the point where that transformation can come within our current political structure......
the main problem you and i have regarding this issue is our different life experiences.....i am not really that old, but i grew up in the pre-progressive, pre-charter days when this country was actually considered "free" and ruled with a modicum of common sense....those days are long past
the reason we have classrooms full of unruly, handicapped, mentally challenged non-english speaking children is directly connected to the teachers unions...they were the proponents of this all inclusive classroom concept.....to increase the number of teachers required and thus union dues...now they complain because teachers can't handle this various mix of kids who can't learn with the mainstream of society..well we parents all told them that way back when...but to no avail..it was the progressive way to provide education...now they are reaping what they sowed and complaining once again that they need more teachers and more money...once again i call bullshit..
when i went to school in the entire high school (some 450 kids) there were (0) zero incidences of ADHD, ADD, etc. etc.......why was that....environment, food, parenting, expectations, common sense....all of the above.... if a kid was acting up it was common for the teacher (male) to hit the kid on the side of the head with the biggest text book he could get ahold of...usually knocking him right out of his desk.......that was the end of it....when that teacher came into the room everyone snapped to attention and fucking well payed attention while he was teaching....no grief counselors..no psychologists...no parental calls...end of problem.....teachers taught to a achieve a level of excellence..if you had trouble keeping up you fucking worked and studied harder or you FAILED..that was you and your parents responsibility..the teacher was there to teach the curriculum..not to wipe someones nose.....anyway we will never agree on this issue...i am eternally thankful my kids completed their education before the current system was fully implemented.......
Title: Re: Union scum....
Post by: RW on March 07, 2014, 11:14:17 PM
Post by: RW on March 07, 2014, 11:14:17 PM
First I want to address your corporal punishment high school days. Why didn't you see kids diagnosed with ADD or ADHD? Because it wasn't a defined disorder in your day. People have been exhibiting such behaviour for hundreds of years, they just didn't have a label or comprehensive treatment for it. Now you know. Also, in your day, kids who did poorly in school dropped out and got jobs (ever notice it was mostly boys?). My generation didn't have that luxury - almost every employer demanded a high school diploma or at least enrolment towards one. I should also note that today's generation has a far greater literacy rate than your or even my generation did. Through (costly) technology, kids these days have at their fingertips what we'd spend hours searching for in a library.
I understand you seemingly want to live in the past, but the sit down, shut up and learn model is long since gone. Why? Because it was fail.
We have classes full of children with disabilities and dis functions is because it's cheaper. They used to have dedicated classes and teachers but some psychology pin head deemed integration better that the system saw an opportunity to save a buck.
Before I go on, Munday, I'm assuming you don't have kidsz. Am I right?
Title: Re: Union scum....
Post by: Obvious Li on March 07, 2014, 11:42:30 PM
Post by: Obvious Li on March 07, 2014, 11:42:30 PM
Let's cut the crap mmmkay Mr Mundaaay. You ARE slagging unions, specifically teachers, not a system.Quote from: "Real Woman"
First I want to address your corporal punishment high school days. Why didn't you see kids diagnosed with ADD or ADHD? Because it wasn't a defined disorder in your day. People have been exhibiting such behaviour for hundreds of years, they just didn't have a label or comprehensive treatment for it. Now you know. Also, in your day, kids who did poorly in school dropped out and got jobs (ever notice it was mostly boys?). My generation didn't have that luxury - almost every employer demanded a high school diploma or at least enrolment towards one. I should also note that today's generation has a far greater literacy rate than your or even my generation did. Through (costly) technology, kids these days have at their fingertips what we'd spend hours searching for in a library.
I understand you seemingly want to live in the past, but the sit down, shut up and learn model is long since gone. Why? Because it was fail.
We have classes full of children with disabilities and dis functions is because it's cheaper. They used to have dedicated classes and teachers but some psychology pin head deemed integration better that the system saw an opportunity to save a buck.
Before I go on, Munday, I'm assuming you don't have kidsz. Am I right?
i will read with interest your comments but as i said we will never agree..i am slagging the system and those that are responsible for the system in its current state..that being the teachers unions and their leaders and members.....there is zero chance you could convince anyone who was educated under the old system that todays grads are, as you say "more literate'..we would find that comment rather silly.....for someone to make that statement about a group of graduates who cannot find the pacific ocean on a map says a lot more about your objectivity than mine.... as to your other question
i have six kids.....four of my own and two step kids....three boys and three girls....all are very successful...thanks for asking
Title: Re: Union scum....
Post by: Anonymous on March 08, 2014, 12:52:34 AM
Post by: Anonymous on March 08, 2014, 12:52:34 AM
The teachers get crappy pay but then again their job isnt that hard.Quote from: "Odinson"
The teachers at my children's school seems fair, but I do not know how it compares to the public school system..
What I do know is that they are all qualified to teach in the public school system..
My brother and I went to a private Christian school for almost our entire school lives, so we cannot compare.
Title: Re: Union scum....
Post by: RW on March 08, 2014, 02:25:03 AM
Post by: RW on March 08, 2014, 02:25:03 AM
As a whole, according to stats, kids these days can read at a higher percentage than back in my day or yours. And just curious - have you recently asked a current high schooler to point out the Pacific Ocean and he/she failed?
I know we will disagree on this debate because you are basing your argument on ignorance and speculation. I know you are a write off because you're stubborn but I prefer to give others an informed side to chew on. A side that involves chronic government underfunding placing a much higher burden on teachers who aren't a bunch of child hostage holding scum.
Title: Re: Union scum....
Post by: RW on March 08, 2014, 02:27:34 AM
Post by: RW on March 08, 2014, 02:27:34 AM
The teachers get crappy pay but then again their job isnt that hard.Quote from: "Odinson"
The teachers at my children's school seems fair, but I do not know how it compares to the public school system..
What I do know is that they are all qualified to teach in the public school system..
My brother and I went to a private Christian school for almost our entire school lives, so we cannot compare.
I went to private Catholic School for a stint and benefited greatly from smaller class sizes, hanging out with students of similar economic means and not having to accommodate any student with special needs.
Title: Re: Union scum....
Post by: Obvious Li on March 08, 2014, 08:47:16 AM
Post by: Obvious Li on March 08, 2014, 08:47:16 AM
Pardon me Munday. You talked about your days and not witnessing issues in your kids so I assumed you didn't have any.Quote from: "Real Woman"
As a whole, according to stats, kids these days can read at a higher percentage than back in my day or yours. And just curious - have you recently asked a current high schooler to point out the Pacific Ocean and he/she failed?
I know we will disagree on this debate because you are basing your argument on ignorance and speculation. I know you are a write off because you're stubborn but I prefer to give others an informed side to chew on. A side that involves chronic government underfunding placing a much higher burden on teachers who aren't a bunch of child hostage holding scum.
sorry toots..i base ALL my arguments totally on facts and experience.....being stubborn is easy when the facts are on your side and i only speculate when the odds are skewed sharply in my favor...to do otherwise would be cowardly......i will let a million other studies speak to the inabilities of the huge percentage of today's grads who cannot find an ocean, a country, a continent, their province..who cannot name their capital city, prime minister, premier etc etc.....the percentages are high and growing....now with the new math they can no longer add or subtract so i rest my case knowing as always i am right and the facts support my position....i will admit grads from private or charter schools do much better but that is mostly because unions don't have the sway there....so keep on keeping on with your head in the sand...people like me will always need fast food workers and manual laborers to do the shit work...so truth be told we need about 40% of the kids to graduate stupid to keep minimum wages low. So i guess in one sense the system is working.
i should add that the vast majority of the kids i am talking about are white...the parents of yellow and brown first and second generation kids value an education and generally demand excellence from their kids....they provide studies outside of the regular "play school" and insist their children study and apply themselves..totally opposite from native born children
Title: Re: Union scum....
Post by: Obvious Li on March 08, 2014, 08:57:39 AM
Post by: Obvious Li on March 08, 2014, 08:57:39 AM
Pardon me Munday. You talked about your days and not witnessing issues in your kids so I assumed you didn't have any.Quote from: "Real Woman"
As a whole, according to stats, kids these days can read at a higher percentage than back in my day or yours. And just curious - have you recently asked a current high schooler to point out the Pacific Ocean and he/she failed?
I know we will disagree on this debate because you are basing your argument on ignorance and speculation. I know you are a write off because you're stubborn but I prefer to give others an informed side to chew on. A side that involveschronic government underfundingplacing a much higher burden on teachers who aren't a bunch of child hostage holding scum.
i was about to move on when i re-read your post and could not let this horseshit comment about "chronic government underfunding" pass by without challenge......as we are comparing time let's talk about funding.....i read this somewhere way back when but can't recall where..so you can challenge it if you wish but i suspect it is 100% accurate.....it should be fairly easy to confirm providing you don't fudge the stats.
"back in the day" 80% of educational funding was spent in the classroom and 20% was spent on teachers salaries, admin etc.........today those figures are exactly reversed... 80% is spent on teachers salaries, pensions, admin, staff etc and 20% is spent on the kids and classrooms......there is no underfunding...it is simply a matter of most of the money being sucked up by greedy union workers, admin etc. and not enough being allocated to the students in the classroom......stop being a fucking bolshevik and start think about the kids for a change
Title: Re: Union scum....
Post by: Anonymous on March 08, 2014, 10:57:50 AM
Post by: Anonymous on March 08, 2014, 10:57:50 AM
Pardon me Munday. You talked about your days and not witnessing issues in your kids so I assumed you didn't have any.Quote from: "Real Woman"
As a whole, according to stats, kids these days can read at a higher percentage than back in my day or yours. And just curious - have you recently asked a current high schooler to point out the Pacific Ocean and he/she failed?
I know we will disagree on this debate because you are basing your argument on ignorance and speculation. I know you are a write off because you're stubborn but I prefer to give others an informed side to chew on. A side that involveschronic government underfundingplacing a much higher burden on teachers who aren't a bunch of child hostage holding scum.
i was about to move on when i re-read your post and could not let this horseshit comment about "chronic government underfunding" pass by without challenge......as we are comparing time let's talk about funding.....i read this somewhere way back when but can't recall where..so you can challenge it if you wish but i suspect it is 100% accurate.....it should be fairly easy to confirm providing you don't fudge the stats.
"back in the day" 80% of educational funding was spent in the classroom and 20% was spent on teachers salaries, admin etc.........today those figures are exactly reversed... 80% is spent on teachers salaries, pensions, admin, staff etc and 20% is spent on the kids and classrooms......there is no underfunding...it is simply a matter of most of the money being sucked up by greedy union workers, admin etc. and not enough being allocated to the students in the classroom......stop being a fucking bolshevik and start think about the kids for a change
The teachers in my children's school make a little less than their peers in the public school system in terms of benefits as well..
But, none of them want to work in the public school system again..
We must be doing something right..
Parents also know to the last dollar how our tuition fees are spent.
Title: Re: Union scum....
Post by: Green_Hornet on March 08, 2014, 01:03:33 PM
Post by: Green_Hornet on March 08, 2014, 01:03:33 PM
I don't know the issues here, so I will reserve comment..Quote from: "Fashionista"
But, I will say that I would never send my children to the public school system.
Funny that the Catholic Private Schools in Calgary don't have any Advance Placement Course or have dropped the Advance Placement Courses.
I guess Fashionista, you are not interested in saving money for advanced education in the future.
The Vancouver School Public School still offer Advance Placement Courses and exams to get a jump in University.
Advanced_Placement
The Advanced Placement (AP) is a program in the United States and Canada created by the College Board offering college-level curriculum and examinations to high school students. American colleges often grant placement and course credit to students who obtain high scores above a certain number on the examinations.
BTW Have you seen your RESP investments lately? If you have, the RESP that have a portion exposed to the stock market have recently done very well.
Title: Re: Union scum....
Post by: Anonymous on March 08, 2014, 01:21:08 PM
Post by: Anonymous on March 08, 2014, 01:21:08 PM
I don't know the issues here, so I will reserve comment..Quote from: "Fashionista"
But, I will say that I would never send my children to the public school system.
Funny that the Catholic Private Schools in Calgary don't have any Advance Placement Course or have dropped the Advance Placement Courses.
I guess Fashionista, you are not interested in saving money for advanced education in the future.
The Vancouver School Public School still offer Advance Placement Courses and exams to get a jump in University.https://www.vsb.bc.ca/apexams
Advanced_Placement
The Advanced Placement (AP) is a program in the United States and Canada created by the College Board offering college-level curriculum and examinations to high school students. American colleges often grant placement and course credit to students who obtain high scores above a certain number on the examinations.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Placement
BTW Have you seen your RESP investments lately? If you have, the RESP that have a portion exposed to the stock market have recently done very well.
Hello Green_Hornet, thank you for your concern in my children's education..
But I should tell you I am not Catholic and my children do not attend a Catholic school..
I don't know why you would assume that?
:?
Title: Re: Union scum....
Post by: RW on March 08, 2014, 02:55:33 PM
Post by: RW on March 08, 2014, 02:55:33 PM
sorry toots..i base ALL my arguments totally on facts and experience.....being stubborn is easy when the facts are on your side and i only speculate when the odds are skewed sharply in my favor...to do otherwise would be cowardly......i will let a million other studies speak to the inabilities of the huge percentage of today's grads who cannot find an ocean, a country, a continent, their province..who cannot name their capital city, prime minister, premier etc etc.....the percentages are high and growing....now with the new math they can no longer add or subtract so i rest my case knowing as always i am right and the facts support my position....i will admit grads from private or charter schools do much better but that is mostly because unions don't have the sway there....so keep on keeping on with your head in the sand...people like me will always need fast food workers and manual laborers to do the shit work...so truth be told we need about 40% of the kids to graduate stupid to keep minimum wages low. So i guess in one sense the system is working.
i should add that the vast majority of the kids i am talking about are white...the parents of yellow and brown first and second generation kids value an education and generally demand excellence from their kids....they provide studies outside of the regular "play school" and insist their children study and apply themselves..totally opposite from native born children
I'm not seeing a lot of facts being presented on your end Munday and even less support of what you are claiming to be truth.
So a HUGE percentage of our grads can't find an ocean, a country, a continent, their province, a capital city or a prime minister or premier? My 9 year old knows all of those things because he has learned them in school already. So really, let's stick with reality rather than hyperbole please.
Graduates do much better (whatever the hell that means) because they come from affluent and educated families (a determining factor in education success BTW), have smaller class sizes (what public sector teachers would like), and more freedom with curriculum. Remember Munday, I went to both public and private school so I have actual first hand experience with both systems.
Title: Re: Union scum....
Post by: Gary Oak on March 08, 2014, 03:02:05 PM
Post by: Gary Oak on March 08, 2014, 03:02:05 PM
I don't know the issues here, so I will reserve comment..Quote from: "Fashionista"
But, I will say that I would never send my children to the public school system.
Funny that the Catholic Private Schools in Calgary don't have any Advance Placement Course or have dropped the Advance Placement Courses.
I guess Fashionista, you are not interested in saving money for advanced education in the future.
The Vancouver School Public School still offer Advance Placement Courses and exams to get a jump in University.https://www.vsb.bc.ca/apexams
Advanced_Placement
The Advanced Placement (AP) is a program in the United States and Canada created by the College Board offering college-level curriculum and examinations to high school students. American colleges often grant placement and course credit to students who obtain high scores above a certain number on the examinations.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Placement
BTW Have you seen your RESP investments lately? If you have, the RESP that have a portion exposed to the stock market have recently done very well.
STFU Ho, what do you care anyway. You have to have sex in order to have kids. You still think the stork brings them.
Title: Re: Union scum....
Post by: RW on March 08, 2014, 03:15:15 PM
Post by: RW on March 08, 2014, 03:15:15 PM
i was about to move on when i re-read your post and could not let this horseshit comment about "chronic government underfunding" pass by without challenge......as we are comparing time let's talk about funding.....i read this somewhere way back when but can't recall where..so you can challenge it if you wish but i suspect it is 100% accurate.....it should be fairly easy to confirm providing you don't fudge the stats.
"back in the day" 80% of educational funding was spent in the classroom and 20% was spent on teachers salaries, admin etc.........today those figures are exactly reversed... 80% is spent on teachers salaries, pensions, admin, staff etc and 20% is spent on the kids and classrooms......there is no underfunding...it is simply a matter of most of the money being sucked up by greedy union workers, admin etc. and not enough being allocated to the students in the classroom......stop being a fucking bolshevik and start think about the kids for a change
Okay, let's PRETEND your 20% in salaries then to 80% in salaries now is accurate. That comment supports my claims to chronic underfunding. What has happened to budgets that has made such a DRASTIC change in allotment. Teacher salaries and benefits haven't gone up by THAT much not to mention there used to be WAY more teachers back in your day and mine. Again, you've lost sight of reality. With that said, if money is going into teachers, it is going into the classroom because that's the person who is standing in front of it. DERP.
In terms of budgets, 80% going to staffing isn't exactly accurate. You could make the claim that staffing makes up 80% of an operations budget but that still doesn't account for the millions in capital budgets that aren't touched by salaries.
There is underfunding within the system - terribly so. Our Ministry of Education has off loaded significant costs onto districts and hasn't providing the funding to cover those costs - costs like carbon tax (what a load of bullshit), insurance premiums, full day kindergarten, technology based curriculum implementation, etc.
In terms of thinking about the kids, the teachers and their respective unions are the LOUDEST when it comes to demanding changes to the benefit of students whether it be for resources, smaller classes, more support for those with learning issues, etc. And those are the people you want to sit down and shut up? Really?
Title: Re: Union scum....
Post by: RW on March 08, 2014, 03:15:38 PM
Post by: RW on March 08, 2014, 03:15:38 PM
STFU Ho, what do you care anyway. You have to have sex in order to have kids. You still think the stork brings them.Quote from: "Gary Oak"
Do you have kids Gary?
Title: Re: Union scum....
Post by: RW on March 08, 2014, 03:24:58 PM
Post by: RW on March 08, 2014, 03:24:58 PM
Funny that the Catholic Private Schools in Calgary don't have any Advance Placement Course or have dropped the Advance Placement Courses.Quote from: "Green_Hornet"
That's not true Green. Bishop Carroll High School, Bishop McNally High School, Bishop O'Byrne High School and St. Francis High School all offer Advance Placement courses.
Title: Re: Union scum....
Post by: Anonymous on March 08, 2014, 03:34:10 PM
Post by: Anonymous on March 08, 2014, 03:34:10 PM
Oh honey, they want you to think that. They have increased certain targeted funding or put more money into increases to insurance costs, etc. Not into classrooms.Quote from: "Real Woman"
Ya know RW, this is really none of our biz. OL and I do NOT live in BC. This fight with teachers is the concern of BC residents alone. However, what happens in other provinces influences what happens in my own.
In recent years, Alberta's fiscal stance has shifted from large surpluses to deficits, and a largeQuote
part of the blame appears to be due to rising public sector salaries. Since 2000, the province's
public sector wage bill has shot up by 119 percent — almost double the rate of growth in the
rest of Canada. Wages, previously roughly at par with the rest of the country, are now higher
(in many cases very substantially) across all public sector categories, including health care,
social services, education and government, consuming 95 percent of the increase in
provincial revenues over the past decade. At the same time, the number of public sector
employees has grown faster than the overall population; it is difficult to attribute this sharp
uptick to a rise in productivity, or the need to compete with private industry for skilled workers.
This paper breaks down the increases in every category, arguing that if the provincial
government is looking to trim expenditures, public sector salaries are a good place to start.
The authors make their case using detailed Statistics Canada data, throwing down the
gauntlet to defenders of the status quo and challenging them to justify these disparate
increases.http://policyschool.ucalgary.ca/sites/default/files/research/boesenkool-public-wage-growth.pdf
Title: Re: Union scum....
Post by: RW on March 08, 2014, 03:50:41 PM
Post by: RW on March 08, 2014, 03:50:41 PM
I can speak best to the BC system because I know it well and I'd rather stay focused on this as an education/teacher debate.
Title: Re: Union scum....
Post by: Anonymous on March 08, 2014, 03:52:17 PM
Post by: Anonymous on March 08, 2014, 03:52:17 PM
I don't know what you mean this is none of our biz.Quote from: "Real Woman"It's a public matter Shen:)
For BCer's like you it is. Crimea is a public matter for Ukrainians and Russians. Albertans and Saskabushers should stay out of it.
Title: Re: Union scum....
Post by: RW on March 08, 2014, 03:53:21 PM
Post by: RW on March 08, 2014, 03:53:21 PM
Title: Re: Union scum....
Post by: Anonymous on March 08, 2014, 03:56:49 PM
Post by: Anonymous on March 08, 2014, 03:56:49 PM
Then I'd have no one to debate with!Quote from: "Real Woman"
Well, I am not really in a feisty mood today because it's above zero in the Czuk. Well, I wasn't until I read old evs posts on VF. :x
Title: Re: Union scum....
Post by: RW on March 08, 2014, 05:51:35 PM
Post by: RW on March 08, 2014, 05:51:35 PM
Title: Re: Union scum....
Post by: Anonymous on March 08, 2014, 05:55:54 PM
Post by: Anonymous on March 08, 2014, 05:55:54 PM
I'm still waiting for Munday to dig up some FACT. Slogging through all this conjecture is boring me.Quote from: "Real Woman"
I have confidence that handsome will be here soon and then you'll be sorry.
Title: Re: Union scum....
Post by: RW on March 08, 2014, 06:52:33 PM
Post by: RW on March 08, 2014, 06:52:33 PM
Title: Re: Union scum....
Post by: Obvious Li on March 09, 2014, 11:26:20 AM
Post by: Obvious Li on March 09, 2014, 11:26:20 AM
I'm still waiting for Munday to dig up some FACT. Slogging through all this conjecture is boring me.Quote from: "Real Woman"
we don't debate....i present you with facts and you spew out a litany of socialist bullshit......i'm truly happy that your kids can find the pacific ocean on a map...maybe they can be a manager at macdonalds some day.........your solution to the fact that we spend 3/4 of our educational budgets on salaries and benefits means we just need more money to resolve the issue borders on insanity.....there is plenty of money in the system ...it just needs to be properly allocated.....i stand by my position that we graduate 40% stupid (and lazy) kids.....i am fine with this....as long as we have a population of uneducated dolts and morons it makes it easier for the 1% like me.......it is a shame that we waste precious dollars operating a teenage daycare though........there will always be enough foreign grads to fill the positions in engineering and science we need.....if i had my way they would have to pass a university entrance exam (like the USA) and pay full pop for their degree......why i should pay for your kids to waste time in university when you won't baffles me.....in any case i could write your response in advance....but i should let you at least reflect on the error of your thinking
Title: Re: Union scum....
Post by: RW on March 09, 2014, 02:45:10 PM
Post by: RW on March 09, 2014, 02:45:10 PM
You haven't actually presented any facts Munday - just conjecture. I think it's really great that you have an opinion on this matter and a bunch of ad hom bullshit but that's all you've got.
I provide links to reputable sources on where the Canadian education system ranks - you say grads can't find oceans or name the province they live in.
Now, I am well versed on school board operations and capital budgets, the state of our education system, current changes to curriculum (and who actually sets curriculum), mandated learning outcomes, technology implementation, course offerings including trades focuses for post secondary credit, graduation and literacy rates, socio-economic effects on educational performance, salaries, class size and composition, teacher workload and hours, government funding including cost off loads, school closures, enrolment decline, alternate and distance education, community support, grant writing and fundraising, issues with bargaining, replacement of boards by government, etc.
I understand that you just want to take a dump down the throats of public sector teachers Munday, but if there is any one else who has questions or would like to have a discussion based on current realities, I'm available for knowledgable comment.
Title: Re: Union scum....
Post by: Anonymous on March 09, 2014, 03:02:46 PM
Post by: Anonymous on March 09, 2014, 03:02:46 PM
Title: Re: Union scum....
Post by: RW on March 09, 2014, 03:36:20 PM
Post by: RW on March 09, 2014, 03:36:20 PM
All I can say is if Munday is a product of an older education system, I can see why they've changed it.
Title: Re: Union scum....
Post by: Anonymous on March 09, 2014, 03:54:34 PM
Post by: Anonymous on March 09, 2014, 03:54:34 PM
LOL!Quote from: "Real Woman"
All I can say is if Munday is a product of an older education system, I can see why they've changed it.
I went to a private school in China and the public schools in Canada. What I can tell you is that the grade 3 math in China is the same as grade 6 math in Alberta.
Title: Re: Union scum....
Post by: Odinson on March 09, 2014, 04:10:15 PM
Post by: Odinson on March 09, 2014, 04:10:15 PM
LOL!Quote from: "Real Woman"
All I can say is if Munday is a product of an older education system, I can see why they've changed it.
I went to a private school in China and the public schools in Canada. What I can tell you is that the grade 3 math in China is the same as grade 6 math in Alberta.
Could you describe whats in the grade 6 math in Alberta?
Title: Re: Union scum....
Post by: Anonymous on March 09, 2014, 04:19:57 PM
Post by: Anonymous on March 09, 2014, 04:19:57 PM
LOL!Quote from: "Real Woman"
All I can say is if Munday is a product of an older education system, I can see why they've changed it.
I went to a private school in China and the public schools in Canada. What I can tell you is that the grade 3 math in China is the same as grade 6 math in Alberta.
Could you describe whats in the grade 6 math in Alberta?
I remember multiplication and division of decimals, ratio tables, finding missing angles and side lengths in triangles and quadrilaterals, line plots and bar graphs.
Title: Re: Union scum....
Post by: Odinson on March 09, 2014, 04:30:25 PM
Post by: Odinson on March 09, 2014, 04:30:25 PM
I went to a private school in China and the public schools in Canada. What I can tell you is that the grade 3 math in China is the same as grade 6 math in Alberta.
Could you describe whats in the grade 6 math in Alberta?
I remember multiplication and division of decimals, ratio tables, finding missing angles and side lengths in triangles and quadrilaterals, line plots and bar graphs.
And they are teaching this to kids of what age?
Title: Re: Union scum....
Post by: RW on March 09, 2014, 04:43:20 PM
Post by: RW on March 09, 2014, 04:43:20 PM
So, in other words, that doesn't surprise me.
Title: Re: Union scum....
Post by: Anonymous on March 09, 2014, 04:46:47 PM
Post by: Anonymous on March 09, 2014, 04:46:47 PM
I can't compare because I was in an enrichment program in public school and we learned those things in math in grade 3 as well. I did learn stuff in private elementary that I didn't see again until Grade 12. Private schools have more play with curriculum as long as they meet mandated learning outcomes. When you have a bunch of kids from well off educated families, it gives them even more of a running start.Quote from: "Real Woman"
So, in other words, that doesn't surprise me.
It was quite the opposite at the private school I went to in Shenzhen. It was strictly academic. If you wanted phys-ed or music it was extra-curricular and parents had to pay extra for them. I thought school was a breeze by comparison when I came to Canada.
Title: Re: Union scum....
Post by: Obvious Li on March 09, 2014, 06:42:33 PM
Post by: Obvious Li on March 09, 2014, 06:42:33 PM
I can't compare because I was in anQuote from: "Real Woman"enrichment programin public school and we learned those things in math in grade 3 as well. I did learn stuff in private elementary that I didn't see again until Grade 12. Private schools have more play with curriculum as long as they meet mandated learning outcomes. When you have a bunch of kids from well off educated families, it gives them even more of a running start.
So, in other words, that doesn't surprise me.
lol in my day that was referred to as "special ed"........ it is where all the dibbleys went so they wouldn't get picked on....so i can see where you developed your basic philosophy on life in general....now that i am aware i shall take more care when "debating" you...i will restrict my use of terms like "sugar tits" when referring to you or comparing you to old DV Academe......sorry..
Title: Re: Union scum....
Post by: RW on March 09, 2014, 06:52:36 PM
Post by: RW on March 09, 2014, 06:52:36 PM
I can see you've already bitched out on this debate. You actually hung in 3 pages longer than I expected you to. As there will be no facts forthcoming from Camp Munday, consider yourself bested dear boy. I do however, eagerly await for your next meritless argument.
Title: Re: Union scum....
Post by: Odinson on March 09, 2014, 06:56:36 PM
Post by: Odinson on March 09, 2014, 06:56:36 PM
Title: Re: Union scum....
Post by: Anonymous on March 09, 2014, 07:04:31 PM
Post by: Anonymous on March 09, 2014, 07:04:31 PM
One of my old class-mates won an international math-competition in SA...Quote from: "Odinson"
What is SA Odi?
Title: Re: Union scum....
Post by: Odinson on March 09, 2014, 07:29:27 PM
Post by: Odinson on March 09, 2014, 07:29:27 PM
One of my old class-mates won an international math-competition in SA...Quote from: "Odinson"
What is SA Odi?
South-Africa. He won it.
He is a laestadian. They are very well driven in educational matters and that is probably due to them not having a TV.
Title: Re: Union scum....
Post by: Obvious Li on March 09, 2014, 07:38:11 PM
Post by: Obvious Li on March 09, 2014, 07:38:11 PM
It was actually the ADVANCED placement or "Gifted" program - a program for those "special" kids who had IQs way higher than the rest of the kids in the class. And believe me, I was every bit the ball breaker back then as I am now so I wasn't much for getting picked on.Quote from: "Real Woman"
I can see you've already bitched out on this debate. You actually hung in 3 pages longer than I expected you to. As there will be no facts forthcoming from Camp Munday, consider yourself bested dear boy. I do however, eagerly await for your next meritless argument.
if having to sit at the front of the class because you were acting up is your definition of ADVANCED PLACEMENT then so be it......the advantage i have in this discussion is that truth is on my side...huff and puff all you want the stats and facts speak for them selves....even in Dog River we're smarter than that....so back to your peers.....Mel,Joe, Blurt, and the gang
Title: Re: Union scum....
Post by: Anonymous on March 09, 2014, 07:38:31 PM
Post by: Anonymous on March 09, 2014, 07:38:31 PM
One of my old class-mates won an international math-competition in SA...Quote from: "Odinson"
What is SA Odi?
South-Africa. He won it.
He is a laestadian. They are very well driven in educational matters and that is probably due to them not having a TV.
I looked on Wikipedia and this is what was written:
Title: Re: Union scum....
Post by: Odinson on March 09, 2014, 07:50:06 PM
Post by: Odinson on March 09, 2014, 07:50:06 PM
They usually isolate themselves and they hang out only with other laestadians... This causes division and therefore many feuds.
They are also abit more tanned than we are. Kinda like Sami-people.
Title: Re: Union scum....
Post by: RW on March 09, 2014, 10:18:52 PM
Post by: RW on March 09, 2014, 10:18:52 PM
It was actually the ADVANCED placement or "Gifted" program - a program for those "special" kids who had IQs way higher than the rest of the kids in the class. And believe me, I was every bit the ball breaker back then as I am now so I wasn't much for getting picked on.Quote from: "Real Woman"
I can see you've already bitched out on this debate. You actually hung in 3 pages longer than I expected you to. As there will be no facts forthcoming from Camp Munday, consider yourself bested dear boy. I do however, eagerly await for your next meritless argument.
if having to sit at the front of the class because you were acting up is your definition of ADVANCED PLACEMENT then so be it......the advantage i have in this discussion is that truth is on my side...huff and puff all you want the stats and facts speak for them selves....even in Dog River we're smarter than that....so back to your peers.....Mel,Joe, Blurt, and the gang
Okay, but in terms of facts and stats, I seem to be the only one presenting any. I also seem to out experience you in this subject area. Time to give it up slappy. You got nothing but a big mouth and a lot of hot air.
Acting up in class. PFFT! Teachers would beg to have me.
Title: Re: Union scum....
Post by: Anonymous on March 09, 2014, 10:23:13 PM
Post by: Anonymous on March 09, 2014, 10:23:13 PM
I have been a unionized employee all my life, but I have never gotten involved with it..
We have people that are better qualified to do that than I am.
Title: Re: Union scum....
Post by: Chickenfeets on March 09, 2014, 10:23:46 PM
Post by: Chickenfeets on March 09, 2014, 10:23:46 PM
Title: Re: Union scum....
Post by: RW on March 09, 2014, 10:38:16 PM
Post by: RW on March 09, 2014, 10:38:16 PM
I know a lot about the education system because I've worked on projects involving partnerships with school boards for the last 5 years. I've sat on gads of working groups and committees with teachers, education assistants, students, parents, administrators, trustees, superintendents, union leaders, etc. Most importantly, with my kids being in school, I talk directly to their teachers. I understand their challenges.
Title: Re: Union scum....
Post by: Anonymous on March 09, 2014, 10:41:04 PM
Post by: Anonymous on March 09, 2014, 10:41:04 PM
When I was a teenager, I used to help my mom out a lot when she was a shop steward for the nurses union doing grievances and such. I was the shop steward in my office for years as well as chaired the bargaining and health and safety committee.Quote from: "Real Woman"
I know a lot about the education system because I've worked on projects involving partnerships with school boards for the last 5 years. I've sat on gads of working groups and committees with teachers, education assistants, students, parents, administrators, trustees, superintendents, union leaders, etc. Most importantly, with my kids being in school, I talk directly to their teachers. I understand their challenges.
I support the AUPE and the representation they give me, but I don't have the desire to be a union representative.
Title: Re: Union scum....
Post by: RW on March 09, 2014, 10:42:06 PM
Post by: RW on March 09, 2014, 10:42:06 PM
Title: Re: Union scum....
Post by: Anonymous on March 09, 2014, 10:50:01 PM
Post by: Anonymous on March 09, 2014, 10:50:01 PM
It's a pretty thankless job.Quote from: "Real Woman"
That is what I have heard too Real Woman..
I am glad we have capable and caring people that are willing to take on that responsibility.
Title: Re: Union scum....
Post by: Obvious Li on March 09, 2014, 10:57:12 PM
Post by: Obvious Li on March 09, 2014, 10:57:12 PM
Slappy! lolQuote from: "Chickenfeets"
behave yourself chickenfeet or you might just become a drumstick.... :ugeek:
Title: Re: Union scum....
Post by: Obvious Li on March 09, 2014, 10:59:20 PM
Post by: Obvious Li on March 09, 2014, 10:59:20 PM
When I was a teenager, I used to help my mom out a lot when she was a shop steward for the nurses union doing grievances and such. I was the shop steward in my office for years as well as chaired the bargaining and health and safety committee.Quote from: "Real Woman"
I know a lot about the education system because I've worked on projects involving partnerships with school boards for the last 5 years. I've sat on gads of working groups and committees with teachers, education assistants, students, parents, administrators, trustees, superintendents, union leaders, etc. Most importantly, with my kids being in school, I talk directly to their teachers. I understand their challenges.
fuck...........enough to make you gag...........Munday..1.....RW...0......thank you folks... :ugeek:
Title: Re: Union scum....
Post by: RW on March 09, 2014, 11:00:15 PM
Post by: RW on March 09, 2014, 11:00:15 PM
Title: Re: Union scum....
Post by: Gary Oak on March 09, 2014, 11:22:27 PM
Post by: Gary Oak on March 09, 2014, 11:22:27 PM
Title: Re: Union scum....
Post by: Anonymous on March 10, 2014, 12:11:09 AM
Post by: Anonymous on March 10, 2014, 12:11:09 AM
Title: Re: Union scum....
Post by: Obvious Li on March 10, 2014, 12:42:48 AM
Post by: Obvious Li on March 10, 2014, 12:42:48 AM
I forget what the debate was about now?Quote from: "Shen Li"
there was no debate...i might as well have been talking to mimi FFS
Title: Re: Union scum....
Post by: Anonymous on March 10, 2014, 12:46:06 AM
Post by: Anonymous on March 10, 2014, 12:46:06 AM
I forget what the debate was about now?Quote from: "Shen Li"
there was no debate...i might as well have been talking to mimi FFS
Well whatever the debate was we in Alberta have to get the size and cost of our snivel service under control. Ralph Klein must be rolling in his grave.
Title: Re: Union scum....
Post by: RW on March 10, 2014, 01:09:45 AM
Post by: RW on March 10, 2014, 01:09:45 AM
Title: Re: Union scum....
Post by: Obvious Li on March 11, 2014, 06:50:41 PM
Post by: Obvious Li on March 11, 2014, 06:50:41 PM
I asked Munday what his issue was with BC teachers and he went on a mindless rant full of absolute bullshit. You know Shen, his usual MO. Then I came and corrected all of it. My usual MO.Quote from: "Real Woman"
if i remember correctly one of the four shortest books ever written was the
Title: Re: Union scum....
Post by: RW on March 11, 2014, 07:22:43 PM
Post by: RW on March 11, 2014, 07:22:43 PM
Thanks!
Title: Re: Union scum....
Post by: Odinson on March 11, 2014, 07:23:31 PM
Post by: Odinson on March 11, 2014, 07:23:31 PM
Title: Re: Union scum....
Post by: Obvious Li on March 11, 2014, 07:59:15 PM
Post by: Obvious Li on March 11, 2014, 07:59:15 PM
Yes, I get your point. You have to make dumb ass comments when you have NOTHING to support your asinine opinion. Listen Munday, your days of talking shit unchallenged are over. I'm here now. It's time to put on your big boy pants or simply avoid topics you clearly know little about.Quote from: "Real Woman"
Thanks!
i make dumb ass comments when i interact with dumb ass people that think irrational stubbornness is a virtue.....now stop responding to this thread so it can die a natural death..i have clearly whipped you like a red headed step child and all the rest is just female bullheadedness........now go do some laundry or mop the floors or such
Title: Re: Union scum....
Post by: RW on March 11, 2014, 09:23:32 PM
Post by: RW on March 11, 2014, 09:23:32 PM
Title: Re: Union scum....
Post by: Anonymous on March 11, 2014, 09:34:50 PM
Post by: Anonymous on March 11, 2014, 09:34:50 PM
Title: Re: Union scum....
Post by: Obvious Li on March 11, 2014, 10:15:35 PM
Post by: Obvious Li on March 11, 2014, 10:15:35 PM
The exchange between Real Woman and Obvious Li seems personal in nature, but I feel it's not.Quote from: "Fashionista"
no she's a hottie....needs some management but thats doable with a strong hand.....i like a challenge.... :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Union scum....
Post by: Anonymous on March 11, 2014, 10:18:06 PM
Post by: Anonymous on March 11, 2014, 10:18:06 PM
The exchange between Real Woman and Obvious Li seems personal in nature, but I feel it's not.Quote from: "Fashionista"
no she's a hottie....needs some management but thats doable with a strong hand.....i like a challenge.... :mrgreen:
I felt you and Real Woman like each other..
I am happy that is true.
:)
Title: Re: Union scum....
Post by: RW on March 11, 2014, 10:54:35 PM
Post by: RW on March 11, 2014, 10:54:35 PM
I love it when life imitates debate.
Wait ... we like each other? Wot?
Title: Re: Union scum....
Post by: Anonymous on March 12, 2014, 08:00:05 AM
Post by: Anonymous on March 12, 2014, 08:00:05 AM
I'd have you over my knee first Munday just like I did in this thread.Quote from: "Real Woman"
I love it when life imitates debate.
Wait ... we like each other? Wot?
I felt it wasn't personal?
Title: Re: Union scum....
Post by: Anonymous on March 12, 2014, 05:21:45 PM
Post by: Anonymous on March 12, 2014, 05:21:45 PM
I'd have you over my knee first Munday just like I did in this thread.Quote from: "Real Woman"
I love it when life imitates debate.
Wait ...we like each other?Wot?
Do you think we are all blind? Do you think we can't see the pent-up sexual tension between urself and OL?
Title: Re: Union scum....
Post by: RW on March 12, 2014, 05:26:51 PM
Post by: RW on March 12, 2014, 05:26:51 PM
Haha
Title: Re: Union scum....
Post by: Anonymous on March 12, 2014, 05:35:48 PM
Post by: Anonymous on March 12, 2014, 05:35:48 PM
I'd rather dry hump a conveyor belt.Quote from: "Real Woman"
Haha
You don't have to pretend otherwise, I know you want him.
Title: Re: Union scum....
Post by: Obvious Li on March 12, 2014, 06:48:39 PM
Post by: Obvious Li on March 12, 2014, 06:48:39 PM
I'd rather dry hump a conveyor belt.Quote from: "Real Woman"
Haha
You don't have to pretend otherwise, I know you want him.
i knows she does .....but as i told her before i am on a higher plane...besides she can't shut up...so i guess i will have to let her know this is going nowhere....... :ugeek:
Title: Re: Union scum....
Post by: Anonymous on March 12, 2014, 07:37:09 PM
Post by: Anonymous on March 12, 2014, 07:37:09 PM
I'd rather dry hump a conveyor belt.Quote from: "Real Woman"
Haha
You don't have to pretend otherwise, I know you want him.
i knows she does .....but as i told her before i am on a higher plane...besides she can't shut up...so i guess i will have to let her know this is going nowhere....... :ugeek:
A perfect match that is not meant to be......how sad.
Title: Re: Union scum....
Post by: RW on March 12, 2014, 08:02:31 PM
Post by: RW on March 12, 2014, 08:02:31 PM
BUAHAHAHA
Title: Re: Union scum....
Post by: Anonymous on March 12, 2014, 09:18:07 PM
Post by: Anonymous on March 12, 2014, 09:18:07 PM
I'd rather dry hump a conveyor belt.Quote from: "Real Woman"
Haha
You don't have to pretend otherwise, I know you want him.
i knows she does .....but as i told her before i am on a higher plane...besides she can't shut up...so i guess i will have to let her know this is going nowhere....... :ugeek:
Break it to Real Woman gently Obvious Li.
Title: Re: Union scum....
Post by: RW on March 12, 2014, 09:29:12 PM
Post by: RW on March 12, 2014, 09:29:12 PM
Title: Re: Union scum....
Post by: RW on March 13, 2014, 11:17:29 AM
Post by: RW on March 13, 2014, 11:17:29 AM
How do you tell the difference between a plumber and a chemist?
Ask him to pronounce the word unionized.
:D
Title: Re: Union scum....
Post by: Odinson on March 13, 2014, 11:26:59 AM
Post by: Odinson on March 13, 2014, 11:26:59 AM
I'd rather dry hump a conveyor belt.Quote from: "Real Woman"
Haha
Its kinda like the relationship between Jupe and Angie..
Her lust is obvious.
She wants to submit.
Title: Re: Union scum....
Post by: Anonymous on March 13, 2014, 03:07:14 PM
Post by: Anonymous on March 13, 2014, 03:07:14 PM
Joke time:Quote from: "Real Woman"
How do you tell the difference between a plumber and a chemist?
Ask him to pronounce the word unionized.
:D
The local of the plumber and pipefitter's union.
Title: Re: Union scum....
Post by: Odinson on March 13, 2014, 03:17:20 PM
Post by: Odinson on March 13, 2014, 03:17:20 PM
I´ll be the red army soldier from siberia.
Title: Re: Union scum....
Post by: Anonymous on March 14, 2014, 04:49:37 PM
Post by: Anonymous on March 14, 2014, 04:49:37 PM