https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFHHNi-ktg4
Well Glad we are taking a different approach and if it saves people life's maybe the Rest of Canada will follow suit soon.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFHHNi-ktg4
Well Glad we are taking a different approach and if it saves people life's maybe the Rest of Canada will follow suit soon.
I don't know where I stand on this.
I'm in favor for decriminalizing. It's not the same legalizing.
This just makes it more a health crisis than a criminal justice issue.
Here when people get drug charges, if it's a felony....it really destroys their ability to find employment. People have worked hard in recovery. Made it past a year. Only to get out there and try to get a job or get back on their feet and there so many obstacles they up giving up and relapsing. It really is VERY difficult.
My husband was caught a long time ago with heroin....which is a felony charge. He avoided that entirely because the judge gave him the opportunity to chose to be sentenced to a long term rehab facility and do state drug court.
The deal is you get that opportunity.....but if you ever get caught on ANY other sort of felony charge, that first drug felony that was forgiven comes back and you get convicted of both.
He is going through some classes right now to finish his degree and take a promotion at his job, but he cannot have any thing on his record. So we are paying an attorney to get it taken off all together.
Its expensive.....but we need to.
We pretty much set sick people up to fail.
Herm, best bet is to let one province see if it works' what is their to lose in the middle of the opioid epidemic that has killed many young Men and Women who knows this may of saved some of them from accidental fentanyl overdoses.
Dang that sucks Dove hope you and your Hubby get it all sorted out.
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Dang that sucks Dove hope you and your Hubby get it all sorted out.
Nearly ten years of being clean with no desire to go through anything like that again.
It is what it is and I consider us lucky that's the worse issue we have attached to heroin.
I'm just saying I see how people hit walls and get so frustrated they back slide. We are fortunate that we can get it dealt with.
My brother still can't get into Canada (ten minutes away from him) due to an unfortunate incident involving drug and alcohol driving charges and a Hertz rental car full of Dropkick Murphy's after a gig....
This is so sad
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-10875289/Master-Ps-daughter-likely-died-overdose-Cops-drug-paraphernalia-scene.html
Police believe that Tytyana Miller, the daughter of rapper Master P, likely died from a drug overdose, according to a new report on Wednesday.
Evidence found at the scene of the 29-year-old's untimely death, specifically 'drug paraphernalia', suggests Miller suffered from addiction which ultimately killed her, TMZ reported.
On Sunday, Master P announced the tragic death of his daughter Tytyana Miller at the age of 29 in a heartbreaking social media post.
Police sources told the outlet that there were 'no substances present on the scene' but the paraphernalia is a good indicator that drugs were Tytyana's cause of death.
Yeah, but did she say "uuuugh" when she was dying?
Nah-na-na-naaah
Weebz, the deaths I'm confronted with on a regular basis are not needless. In fact, they're needleful.
Peeps have taken to smoking their down with hammer pipes instead of injecting it.
Quote from: Dove post_id=454777 time=1654051959 user_id=3266
I'm in favor for decriminalizing. It's not the same legalizing.
This just makes it more a health crisis than a criminal justice issue.
Here when people get drug charges, if it's a felony....it really destroys their ability to find employment. People have worked hard in recovery. Made it past a year. Only to get out there and try to get a job or get back on their feet and there so many obstacles they up giving up and relapsing. It really is VERY difficult.
My husband was caught a long time ago with heroin....which is a felony charge. He avoided that entirely because the judge gave him the opportunity to chose to be sentenced to a long term rehab facility and do state drug court.
The deal is you get that opportunity.....but if you ever get caught on ANY other sort of felony charge, that first drug felony that was forgiven comes back and you get convicted of both.
He is going through some classes right now to finish his degree and take a promotion at his job, but he cannot have any thing on his record. So we are paying an attorney to get it taken off all together.
Its expensive.....but we need to.
We pretty much set sick people up to fail.
That sounds Korea's harsh justice system.
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Weebz, the deaths I'm confronted with on a regular basis are not needless. In fact, they're needleful.
Peeps have taken to smoking their down with hammer pipes instead of injecting it.
You job must be pretty hard to come home after seeing all that stuff go down Blurt... Respect ac_drinks
So BC decrimalized small amounts of drugs.
Quote from: Herman post_id=455597 time=1654214390 user_id=1689
So BC decrimalized small amounts of drugs.
Yes, but we will see if it stops accidental Overdose deaths and gets people into treatment programs.... I guess we will find out after 3 years of data on how well it worked.
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Weebz, the deaths I'm confronted with on a regular basis are not needless. In fact, they're needleful.
Peeps have taken to smoking their down with hammer pipes instead of injecting it.
People are ODing from smoking now? Oh wow.
I thought that happened to needle users only.
Nothing will change. BC had essentially decriminalized posession for personal use years ago. In downtown Van the junkies shoot up in front of the police station, and have done so for years.
The only solution is to release pure fentanyl onto the streets.
:ohmy:
Full legalization and am appropriate level of taxation and regulation to offset the societal costs is the only way forward. Like any other dangerous substance the consumer should be full bottle on what exactly it is they are using so they can make the appropriate risk assessment. All prohibition and limp wristed half measures like decriminalization so is pour billions of dollars into the coffers of organized crime.
Is Fentanyl what killed Michael Jackson? Or was that something else
My bad. It was a mix of benzo's and something else.
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You job must be pretty hard to come home after seeing all that stuff go down Blurt... Respect ac_drinks
Blurt's job there isn't as difficult as he makes it out to be. He chooses to work nightshift, where his job is mainly to cuddle up with the street bums on those little cots there until they fall asleep. For him, it's highly rewarding work.
Quote from: Mel post_id=455606 time=1654215203
Nothing will change. BC had essentially decriminalized posession for personal use years ago. In downtown Van the junkies shoot up in front of the police station, and have done so for years.
The only solution is to release pure fentanyl onto the streets.
That is true the problem is a tainted drug supply with a bunch of crappy fillers in it... full legalization would make sense but doubt that will happen in the near future though.
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You job must be pretty hard to come home after seeing all that stuff go down Blurt... Respect ac_drinks
Blurt's job there isn't as difficult as he makes it out to be. He chooses to work nightshift, where his job is mainly to cuddle up with the street bums on those little cots there until they fall asleep. For him, it's highly rewarding work.
Oh shush, you who does not even work :001_rolleyes:
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Full legalization and am appropriate level of taxation and regulation to offset the societal costs is the only way forward. Like any other dangerous substance the consumer should be full bottle on what exactly it is they are using so they can make the appropriate risk assessment. All prohibition and limp wristed half measures like decriminalization so is pour billions of dollars into the coffers of organized crime.
Hey that makes too much sense so it will be difficult to make that happen.
Quote from: "Erica Mena" post_id=455615 time=1654215944 user_id=2845
Oh shush, you who does not even work :001_rolleyes:
I do work though. I only took a little break when Trudeau was handing out Covidbucks...
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Quote from: "Erica Mena" post_id=455615 time=1654215944 user_id=2845
Oh shush, you who does not even work :001_rolleyes:
I do work though. I only took a little break when Trudeau was handing out Covidbucks...
Do you not have to payback a potion of it if you got on CERB?
Is that like unemployment here in the states?
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So BC decrimalized small amounts of drugs.
Yes, but we will see if it stops accidental Overdose deaths and gets people into treatment programs.... I guess we will find out after 3 years of data on how well it worked.
That is what progs hope. I doubt it will work.
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Do you not have to payback a potion of it if you got on CERB?
Nope. It was all a gift. Thank you glorious leader Trudeau!
Quote from: "Erica Mena" post_id=455626 time=1654216625 user_id=2845
Is that like unemployment here in the states?
No, it was just during Covid to mostly prop up small businesses and Self employed tradesmen and Owner/Operators effected by it.
Quote from: "Erica Mena" post_id=455626 time=1654216625 user_id=2845
Is that like unemployment here in the states?
Sort of. It was money people could apply for if they were affected by Covid. Your government had a similar thing
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Do you not have to payback a potion of it if you got on CERB?
Nope. It was all a gift. Thank you glorious leader Trudeau!
Nice dude take the money and run
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-WCFUGCOLLU
Yep! Take every penny you can get from this useless government. Just today Trudeau gave another $1,300,000,000 to another Injun tribe in Alberta, so I want my free money too!
The problem with the whole drug issue is it inevitably gets under in with the homeless issue.
The homeless issue is a simple fix. Round them up at gun point and put them in work camps.
Crazy part is, half of the homeless choose to be that way. There are many resources available to them to get them off the street.
They wanna stay getting high and living in tents.
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Crazy part is, half of the homeless choose to be that way. There are many resources available to them to get them off the street.
They wanna stay getting high and living in tents.
I believe that.
Quote from: "Erica Mena" post_id=455639 time=1654217551 user_id=2845
Crazy part is, half of the homeless choose to be that way. There are many resources available to them to get them off the street.
They wanna stay getting high and living in tents.
Like anything in life people have to want to help themselves otherwise we can only do the best we can for the others but it is their choice which when addiction comes into play it makes it very difficult.
Bet you run into many middle-class functional addicts and alcoholics out there that live normal lives, work hard and own a home and nobody even knows.
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The problem with the whole drug issue is it inevitably gets under in with the homeless issue.
The homeless issue is a simple fix. Round them up at gun point and put them in work camps.
BULLSEYE!!
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Quote from: weebles post_id=455595 time=1654214253 user_id=2191
You job must be pretty hard to come home after seeing all that stuff go down Blurt... Respect ac_drinks
Blurt's job there isn't as difficult as he makes it out to be. He chooses to work nightshift, where his job is mainly to cuddle up with the street bums on those little cots there until they fall asleep. For him, it's highly rewarding work.
I went through a long term lifeskills rehab program. And when I had a year under my belt I started working for them as an RA.
Than I worked the emergency shelter on weekends.
It really is a mentally/emotionally draining job. The shit the RAs and socail workers put up with is incredible. Just normal "junkie antics" and what not. Seeing people you mentored and tried to help die. It is rough.
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Crazy part is, half of the homeless choose to be that way. There are many resources available to them to get them off the street.
They wanna stay getting high and living in tents.
That's exactly right. Most people dont understand that at all.
There are so many of those street bums who are attached to the street lifestyle. They have a community and everything.
Its miserable and I could never live that way.....but many of them prefer it.
No amount of intervention is going to change them, either. Theyll just take advantage of you.
Until they WANT help, and want to leave the street life....its not happening.
Many of them also become institutionalized and can only function in a program of some sort. Or jail. So they are always finding a way to get into a shelter program or go to jail.
One must expect junkie behaviour when choosing to work in that environment though... Junkies do all sorts of strange things. Sometimes they'll contort their bodies and limbs in bizarre ways, sometimes they'll just whip out their cock and start jerkin'...
But ya, most will eventually end up dead. Comes with their lifestyle.
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One must expect junkie behaviour when choosing to work in that environment though... Junkies do all sorts of strange things. Sometimes they'll contort their bodies and limbs in bizarre ways, sometimes they'll just whip out their cock and start jerkin'...
But ya, most will eventually end up dead. Comes with their lifestyle.
I did a lot of weird shit in my junkie days.
Cant say i would have just pulled my penis out and jerked it.....but who knows?
Quote from: Dove post_id=455736 time=1654228392 user_id=3266
I did a lot of weird shit in my junkie days.
Cant say i would have just pulled my penis out and jerked it.....but who knows?
Did you ever do this? Common sight in Vancouver's piss soaked Downtown Eastside...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d4R9eDdq6CE
The crazy part about the DTES is the dirt itself is worth more then Gold
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Quote from: Dove post_id=455736 time=1654228392 user_id=3266
I did a lot of weird shit in my junkie days.
Cant say i would have just pulled my penis out and jerked it.....but who knows?
Did you ever do this? Common sight in Vancouver's piss soaked Downtown Eastside...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d4R9eDdq6CE
Nooooo.....firstly i was never all high in public. I spent a lot of time in my room. It was a very dark time. I was also self harming beyond that. I was such a fucking mess.
Sometimes I would use in the car because I wanted to stop the withdraw.
That person looks like they are on bath salts or something. My drug of choice was heroin. The most embarrassing thing was my high texting. I still have some of the conversations I had in text message. Doesnt even "sound" like me. It's scary to read....and I keep it. Everyone once in a while, when I miss that horrible drug....I'll read that shit.
I used to nod a lot, though. At home. In my cereal lol
I got really sickly thin too. It's called "heroin chic" lol. I was definately dying. Up to 500 dollars of heroin a day....it was such a waste.
Ya, drugs are a waste of time and money. I've dabbled in pretty much everything when I was younger, but nothing stuck luckily. The high simply wasn't great enough to outweigh coming down, and I had no interest to continue chasing the initial high. Waste of time and money, and you're always around sketchy people too. I don't even like weed.
That said, I do like my drink... Always have, and probably always will!
Quote from: Mel post_id=455767 time=1654231427
Ya, drugs are a waste of time and money. I've dabbled in pretty much everything when I was younger, but nothing stuck luckily. The high simply wasn't great enough to outweigh coming down, and I had no interest to continue chasing the initial high. Waste of time and money, and you're always around sketchy people too. I don't even like weed.
That said, I do like my drink... Always have, and probably always will!
I've always had issues.. but up until the pain killers nothing really "grabbed" me before.
I did become a "problem drinker" for a bit when I lived on the Gulf Coast and was dancing in New Orleans (yes.....stripping). I got away from all that though before my alcohol use became a full blown problem. I could drink like a drunk.
My mother was alcoholic all my life. I used to be very judgey of addicts. Even as I did my problematic drinking. I was pretty full of myself.
Then i got diagnosed with a kidney stone disease and i had VERY extreme chronic pain. And while this was going on I was going through a nasty break up with someone and one of my best friends died from a heart attack.
And i noticed taking an extra pain killer made me feel better. It was like instant relief from everything I was going through. I had untreated PTSD and all that mess disappeared into a cozy euphoria.
It just escalated from there. Two years later I was shooting street heroin and wanting to die.
So I know how hard it is. And no one can make anyone decide to get clean....they have to be done. And as horrific as heroin... it is a very hard drug to get over.
I never miss it when I'm stressed or sad or overwhelmed. It's when I'm HAPPY, and it's a great day, and things are good. Fucked up, eh? It's like my dumb junkie brain whispers "hey you know what would make this great day better? DOPE!".
It's not a struggle staying clean though. I was truly done. I dont even have the energy for that anymore and I dont want to ruin my health. If it was the kinda thing you could do on occasion....like a glass of wine? Shit yes I would want it. But....its definately not something you can enjoy for a night and just put down.
Once I started doing the work on my root issues....my authentic real recovery began. The drug use was just a symptom of my much deeper issues.
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Quote from: Mel post_id=455767 time=1654231427
Ya, drugs are a waste of time and money. I've dabbled in pretty much everything when I was younger, but nothing stuck luckily. The high simply wasn't great enough to outweigh coming down, and I had no interest to continue chasing the initial high. Waste of time and money, and you're always around sketchy people too. I don't even like weed.
That said, I do like my drink... Always have, and probably always will!
I've always had issues.. but up until the pain killers nothing really "grabbed" me before.
I did become a "problem drinker" for a bit when I lived on the Gulf Coast and was dancing in New Orleans (yes.....stripping). I got away from all that though before my alcohol use became a full blown problem. I could drink like a drunk.
My mother was alcoholic all my life. I used to be very judgey of addicts. Even as I did my problematic drinking. I was pretty full of myself.
Then i got diagnosed with a kidney stone disease and i had VERY extreme chronic pain. And while this was going on I was going through a nasty break up with someone and one of my best friends died from a heart attack.
And i noticed taking an extra pain killer made me feel better. It was like instant relief from everything I was going through. I had untreated PTSD and all that mess disappeared into a cozy euphoria.
It just escalated from there. Two years later I was shooting street heroin and wanting to die.
So I know how hard it is. And no one can make anyone decide to get clean....they have to be done. And as horrific as heroin... it is a very hard drug to get over.
I never miss it when I'm stressed or sad or overwhelmed. It's when I'm HAPPY, and it's a great day, and things are good. Fucked up, eh? It's like my dumb junkie brain whispers "hey you know what would make this great day better? DOPE!".
It's not a struggle staying clean though. I was truly done. I dont even have the energy for that anymore and I dont want to ruin my health. If it was the kinda thing you could do on occasion....like a glass of wine? Shit yes I would want it. But....its definately not something you can enjoy for a night and just put down.
Once I started doing the work on my root issues....my authentic real recovery began. The drug use was just a symptom of my much deeper issues.
Ive decided not to judge/troll you on drugs ever again. I read your story now and you seem to have come out alright through the worst of it. Your body is your temple!
:smiley_thumbs_up_yellow_ani:
Just found out a friend of mine, her daughter OD'd on Fentanyl. This is the second child she's lost in three years. Time to go after these fucking dealers.
Horrible :(
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Quote from: Mel post_id=455767 time=1654231427
Ya, drugs are a waste of time and money. I've dabbled in pretty much everything when I was younger, but nothing stuck luckily. The high simply wasn't great enough to outweigh coming down, and I had no interest to continue chasing the initial high. Waste of time and money, and you're always around sketchy people too. I don't even like weed.
That said, I do like my drink... Always have, and probably always will!
I've always had issues.. but up until the pain killers nothing really "grabbed" me before.
I did become a "problem drinker" for a bit when I lived on the Gulf Coast and was dancing in New Orleans (yes.....stripping). I got away from all that though before my alcohol use became a full blown problem. I could drink like a drunk.
My mother was alcoholic all my life. I used to be very judgey of addicts. Even as I did my problematic drinking. I was pretty full of myself.
Then i got diagnosed with a kidney stone disease and i had VERY extreme chronic pain. And while this was going on I was going through a nasty break up with someone and one of my best friends died from a heart attack.
And i noticed taking an extra pain killer made me feel better. It was like instant relief from everything I was going through. I had untreated PTSD and all that mess disappeared into a cozy euphoria.
It just escalated from there. Two years later I was shooting street heroin and wanting to die.
So I know how hard it is. And no one can make anyone decide to get clean....they have to be done. And as horrific as heroin... it is a very hard drug to get over.
I never miss it when I'm stressed or sad or overwhelmed. It's when I'm HAPPY, and it's a great day, and things are good. Fucked up, eh? It's like my dumb junkie brain whispers "hey you know what would make this great day better? DOPE!".
It's not a struggle staying clean though. I was truly done. I dont even have the energy for that anymore and I dont want to ruin my health. If it was the kinda thing you could do on occasion....like a glass of wine? Shit yes I would want it. But....its definately not something you can enjoy for a night and just put down.
Once I started doing the work on my root issues....my authentic real recovery began. The drug use was just a symptom of my much deeper issues.
Ive decided not to judge/troll you on drugs ever again. I read your story now and you seem to have come out alright through the worst of it. Your body is your temple!
:smiley_thumbs_up_yellow_ani:
It's alright I'm very stable and secure. There really isnt anything anyone can say about it that every single addict hasnt heard a billion times already or even said to themselves.
Society isnt the kindest to drug users lol. Understandably so.
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Quote from: Mel post_id=455767 time=1654231427
Ya, drugs are a waste of time and money. I've dabbled in pretty much everything when I was younger, but nothing stuck luckily. The high simply wasn't great enough to outweigh coming down, and I had no interest to continue chasing the initial high. Waste of time and money, and you're always around sketchy people too. I don't even like weed.
That said, I do like my drink... Always have, and probably always will!
I've always had issues.. but up until the pain killers nothing really "grabbed" me before.
I did become a "problem drinker" for a bit when I lived on the Gulf Coast and was dancing in New Orleans (yes.....stripping). I got away from all that though before my alcohol use became a full blown problem. I could drink like a drunk.
My mother was alcoholic all my life. I used to be very judgey of addicts. Even as I did my problematic drinking. I was pretty full of myself.
Then i got diagnosed with a kidney stone disease and i had VERY extreme chronic pain. And while this was going on I was going through a nasty break up with someone and one of my best friends died from a heart attack.
And i noticed taking an extra pain killer made me feel better. It was like instant relief from everything I was going through. I had untreated PTSD and all that mess disappeared into a cozy euphoria.
It just escalated from there. Two years later I was shooting street heroin and wanting to die.
So I know how hard it is. And no one can make anyone decide to get clean....they have to be done. And as horrific as heroin... it is a very hard drug to get over.
I never miss it when I'm stressed or sad or overwhelmed. It's when I'm HAPPY, and it's a great day, and things are good. Fucked up, eh? It's like my dumb junkie brain whispers "hey you know what would make this great day better? DOPE!".
It's not a struggle staying clean though. I was truly done. I dont even have the energy for that anymore and I dont want to ruin my health. If it was the kinda thing you could do on occasion....like a glass of wine? Shit yes I would want it. But....its definately not something you can enjoy for a night and just put down.
Once I started doing the work on my root issues....my authentic real recovery began. The drug use was just a symptom of my much deeper issues.
Ive decided not to judge/troll you on drugs ever again. I read your story now and you seem to have come out alright through the worst of it. Your body is your temple!
:smiley_thumbs_up_yellow_ani:
It's alright I'm very stable and secure. There really isnt anything anyone can say about it that every single addict hasnt heard a billion times already or even said to themselves.
Society isnt the kindest to drug users lol. Understandably so.
Society is to blame for many things wrong with our world. :howdy: