General Discussion => The Flea Trap => Topic started by: Green_Hornet on March 16, 2014, 03:49:30 AM
Title: Time to get a court order for MMB to give IP of cyberbullies
Post by: Green_Hornet on March 16, 2014, 03:49:30 AM
Supreme Court of Canada Sides with Victims of Cyberbullying
By LISA FREY
After 15 year old A.B. was the victim of a degrading Facebook bullying incident, she did what we hope all teens would do in this type of situation. She sought justice.
Facebook counsel provided the IP address (computer address) of the person who had set up the fake profile, and the Internet service provider that could reveal the identity of the person associated with that IP. The service provider said it would release the name – provided A.B. could present it with a court order.
When she arrived in court seeking such an order, however, she was told by the trial judge that she had to fill in her full name on the draft order before he would grant it. He denied her request to proceed under a pseudonym.
Backed by UNICEF Canada and BullyingCanada Inc. and others, but opposed by Civil Liberties Associations and major media corporations asserting freedom of the press, A.B.'s request for anonymity proceeded all the way up to the Supreme Court of Canada.
In an affirming decision for victims of cyberbullying, the Supreme Court of Canada explicitly recognized the harm that would occur to children if they were too afraid to come forward, and allowed A.B. to proceed anonymously.
Title: Re: Time to get a court order for MMB to give IP of cyberbul
Post by: RW on March 16, 2014, 10:59:38 AM
Note:
15 years old
Facebook
REAL LIFE
If you think you, in all your retarded glory and anonymity, think you are a victim of cyber bullying then REPORT IT. The authorities can explain the law to you if they haven't already.
Title: Re: Time to get a court order for MMB to give IP of cyberbul
Post by: Anonymous on March 16, 2014, 01:52:55 PM
Quote from: "Real Woman"
Note:
15 years old
Facebook
REAL LIFE
If you think you, in all your retarded glory and anonymity, think you are a victim of cyber bullying then REPORT IT. The authorities can explain the law to you if they haven't already. RW, do you know what you have done? You are now on Green Horrornut's growing list of enemies.
BTW, he has called the cops on me before.[size=200] YAWN!!![/size]
Title: Re: Time to get a court order for MMB to give IP of cyberbul
Post by: Romero on March 16, 2014, 03:01:55 PM
Quote from: "Green_Hornet"
Supreme Court of Canada Sides with Victims of Cyberbullying
Reading this decision this morning, my thoughts were inevitably drawn to the tragic loss of Coquitlam teen Amand@ Todd as a result of cyberbullying. By allowing them greater anonymity, my personal hope is that this SCC decision will help other victims of cyberbullying and their parents to find justice. You are not experiencing anything like Todd experienced. Cyberbullying? Do you end up crying and wanting to end it all after coming here? Is anyone here following you around on Facebook and posting nude photos of you all over the internet? Has your real name been thrown around?
I don't think so. You're actually insulting victims of cyberbullying by saying you're anything like them.
Simply stop coming here. Go ahead and get a court order. Claiming that we're somehow forcing you to be a cyberbullying victim is beyond pathetic.
Title: Re: Time to get a court order for MMB to give IP of cyberbul
Post by: Anonymous on March 16, 2014, 03:15:18 PM
Quote from: "Romero"
Quote from: "Green_Hornet"
Supreme Court of Canada Sides with Victims of Cyberbullying
Reading this decision this morning, my thoughts were inevitably drawn to the tragic loss of Coquitlam teen Amand@ Todd as a result of cyberbullying. By allowing them greater anonymity, my personal hope is that this SCC decision will help other victims of cyberbullying and their parents to find justice. You are not experiencing anything like Todd experienced. Cyberbullying? Do you end up crying and wanting to end it all after coming here? Is anyone here following you around on Facebook and posting nude photos of you all over the internet? Has your real name been thrown around?
I don't think so. You're actually insulting victims of cyberbullying by saying you're anything like them.
Simply stop coming here. Go ahead and get a court order. Claiming that we're somehow forcing you to be a cyberbullying victim is beyond pathetic. What kind of hallucinogenic drugs is that clown taking that he fancies himself as bullied teenage girl. OL's right, he's got to be a shut-in.
Title: Re: Time to get a court order for MMB to give IP of cyberbul
Post by: Odinson on March 16, 2014, 03:23:27 PM
This is not cyber-bullying and if you get really cyber-bullied then dont go to the cops... Retaliate.
Title: Re: Time to get a court order for MMB to give IP of cyberbul
Post by: RW on March 16, 2014, 03:25:18 PM
He wouldn't dare Shen. I went to bat for him more times than I can count and he knows it. I highly doubt he is that much of an ingrate.
Title: Re: Time to get a court order for MMB to give IP of cyberbul
Post by: Anonymous on March 16, 2014, 03:28:31 PM
Quote from: "Real Woman"
He wouldn't dare Shen. I went to bat for him more times than I can count and he knows it. I highly doubt he is that much of an ingrate. Look RW, I don't take that nutjob seriously. However, just like CC, I am getting a little tired of his continued threats of legal action.
Title: Re: Time to get a court order for MMB to give IP of cyberbul
Post by: Hornung on March 16, 2014, 04:04:09 PM
We'll see how serious that racist moderator Fashionista takes it when her racist, sinophobic forum is shut down and she is in jail for cyberbullying me.
Title: Re: Time to get a court order for MMB to give IP of cyberbul
Post by: Odinson on March 16, 2014, 04:22:02 PM
Quote from: "Hornung"
We'll see how serious that racist moderator Fashionista takes it when her racist, sinophobic forum is shut down and she is in jail for cyberbullying me.
Canada must be a criminal heaven considering the response time of the police force... Been years.
Title: Re: Time to get a court order for MMB to give IP of cyberbul
Post by: Anonymous on March 16, 2014, 04:40:51 PM
Quote from: "Hornung"
We'll see how serious that racist moderator Fashionista takes it when her racist, sinophobic forum is shut down and she is in jail for cyberbullying me. The more I read your repetitive stupidity the more I am convinced you are some white troll trying to make Asian men look ridiculous.
Title: Re: Time to get a court order for MMB to give IP of cyberbul
Post by: Odinson on March 16, 2014, 04:48:17 PM
Quote from: "seoulbro"
Quote from: "Hornung"
We'll see how serious that racist moderator Fashionista takes it when her racist, sinophobic forum is shut down and she is in jail for cyberbullying me. The more I read your repetitive stupidity the more I am convinced you are some white troll trying to make Asian men look ridiculous.
Its just one guy...
Title: Re: Time to get a court order for MMB to give IP of cyberbul
Post by: Hornung on March 16, 2014, 04:55:35 PM
Quote from: "seoulbro"
Quote from: "Hornung"
We'll see how serious that racist moderator Fashionista takes it when her racist, sinophobic forum is shut down and she is in jail for cyberbullying me. The more I read your repetitive stupidity the more I am convinced you are some white troll trying to make Asian men look ridiculous. Funny seoulbro doesn't say anything about Fashionista racist trolling. Maybe you will say something after Fashionista goes to jail for continued cyberbullying of me.
Title: Re: Time to get a court order for MMB to give IP of cyberbul
Post by: Anonymous on March 16, 2014, 05:27:39 PM
Quote from: "Hornung"
Quote from: "seoulbro"
Quote from: "Hornung"
We'll see how serious that racist moderator Fashionista takes it when her racist, sinophobic forum is shut down and she is in jail for cyberbullying me. The more I read your repetitive stupidity the more I am convinced you are some white troll trying to make Asian men look ridiculous. Funny seoulbro doesn't say anything about Fashionista racist trolling. Maybe you will say something after Fashionista goes to jail for continued cyberbullying of me. I guess I should be savouring my last days of freedom.
:o
Title: Re: Time to get a court order for MMB to give IP of cyberbul
Post by: Odinson on March 16, 2014, 05:47:03 PM
Quote from: "Fashionista"
Quote from: "Hornung"
Quote from: "seoulbro"
The more I read your repetitive stupidity the more I am convinced you are some white troll trying to make Asian men look ridiculous. Funny seoulbro doesn't say anything about Fashionista racist trolling. Maybe you will say something after Fashionista goes to jail for continued cyberbullying of me. I guess I should be savouring my last days of freedom.
:o
Just remember the "good cop, bad cop routine" and your cellmate might trade you for smokes.
Title: Re: Time to get a court order for MMB to give IP of cyberbul
Post by: Anonymous on March 16, 2014, 05:50:02 PM
Quote from: "Odinson"
Quote from: "Fashionista"
Quote from: "Hornung"
Funny seoulbro doesn't say anything about Fashionista racist trolling. Maybe you will say something after Fashionista goes to jail for continued cyberbullying of me. I guess I should be savouring my last days of freedom.
:o
Just remember the "good cop, bad cop routine" and your cellmate might trade you for smokes.
I won't start smoking just yet Odi despite Green_Hornet's assurances that my days of freedom are numbered.
Title: Re: Time to get a court order for MMB to give IP of cyberbul
Post by: Odinson on March 16, 2014, 05:58:58 PM
Quote from: "Fashionista"
Quote from: "Odinson"
Quote from: "Fashionista"
I guess I should be savouring my last days of freedom.
:o
Just remember the "good cop, bad cop routine" and your cellmate might trade you for smokes.
I won't start smoking just yet Odi despite Green_Hornet's assurances that my days of freedom are numbered.
In the prison, you tradeable for cigarettes for example.
Title: Re: Time to get a court order for MMB to give IP of cyberbul
Post by: Anonymous on March 16, 2014, 06:03:10 PM
Quote from: "Odinson"
Quote from: "Fashionista"
Quote from: "Odinson"
Just remember the "good cop, bad cop routine" and your cellmate might trade you for smokes.
I won't start smoking just yet Odi despite Green_Hornet's assurances that my days of freedom are numbered.
In the prison, you tradeable for cigarettes for example. Hornung seems to feel prison is where I am going in the near future.
Title: Re: Time to get a court order for MMB to give IP of cyberbul
Post by: Odinson on March 16, 2014, 06:11:29 PM
I can imagine that...
Cops bust in your house, command you on the floor, cuf you, transport you to the station, put you in the interrogation room.
2 cops will be talking to themselves "we got a real psycho in our hands".
"you never know it by the looks but she is a cyber-bullying maniac".
:D
Title: Re: Time to get a court order for MMB to give IP of cyberbul
Post by: Anonymous on March 16, 2014, 06:14:14 PM
Quote from: "Odinson"
I can imagine that...
Cops bust in your house, command you on the floor, cuf you, transport you to the station, put you in the interrogation room.
2 cops will be talking to themselves "we got a real psycho in our hands".
"you never know it by the looks but she is a cyber-bullying maniac".
:D That is likely how Hornung sees the drama unfolding.
Title: Re: Time to get a court order for MMB to give IP of cyberbul
Post by: Odinson on March 16, 2014, 06:16:13 PM
Its time flies...
Title: Re: Time to get a court order for MMB to give IP of cyberbul
Post by: Anonymous on March 16, 2014, 06:23:07 PM
Quote from: "Odinson"
Its time flies... I don't think so Odi.
Title: Re: Time to get a court order for MMB to give IP of cyberbul
Post by: Odinson on March 16, 2014, 06:28:00 PM
Same kind of hating...
Title: Re: Time to get a court order for MMB to give IP of cyberbul
Post by: Anonymous on March 16, 2014, 06:29:44 PM
Quote from: "Odinson"
Same kind of hating... Time Flies had many of instigator's insecurities.
Title: Re: Time to get a court order for MMB to give IP of cyberbul
Post by: Odinson on March 16, 2014, 06:38:40 PM
Quote from: "Fashionista"
Quote from: "Odinson"
Same kind of hating... Time Flies had many of instigator's insecurities.
Slightly different behaviour.
Title: Re: Time to get a court order for MMB to give IP of cyberbul
Post by: Anonymous on March 16, 2014, 06:41:27 PM
Quote from: "Odinson"
Quote from: "Fashionista"
Quote from: "Odinson"
Same kind of hating... Time Flies had many of instigator's insecurities.
Slightly different behaviour. They don't like East Asian girls dating or marrying Caucasian boys.
Title: Re: Time to get a court order for MMB to give IP of cyberbul
Post by: cc on March 16, 2014, 07:37:44 PM
Quote from: "sinoFAUXbicphobic little twat "
We'll see how serious that racist moderator Fashionista takes it when her racist, sinophobic forum is shut down and she is in jail for cyberbullying me. nya nya ...... u r a sinoFAUXbicphobic little twat ........ nya nya
Sue me
Title: Re: Time to get a court order for MMB to give IP of cyberbul
Post by: Anonymous on March 16, 2014, 07:50:44 PM
Quote from: "cc li tarte"
Quote from: "sinoFAUXbicphobic little twat "
We'll see how serious that racist moderator Fashionista takes it when her racist, sinophobic forum is shut down and she is in jail for cyberbullying me. nya nya ...... u r a sinoFAUXbicphobic little twat ........ nya nya
Sue me What a piece of fucking shit he is.
Title: Re: Time to get a court order for MMB to give IP of cyberbul
Post by: Anonymous on March 16, 2014, 09:10:28 PM
Quote from: "cc li tarte"
Quote from: "sinoFAUXbicphobic little twat "
We'll see how serious that racist moderator Fashionista takes it when her racist, sinophobic forum is shut down and she is in jail for cyberbullying me. nya nya ...... u r a sinoFAUXbicphobic little twat ........ nya nya
Sue me lol@cc
Title: Re: Time to get a court order for MMB to give IP of cyberbul
Post by: Anonymous on March 18, 2014, 10:07:02 PM
Quote from: "cc li tarte"
Quote from: "sinoFAUXbicphobic little twat "
We'll see how serious that racist moderator Fashionista takes it when her racist, sinophobic forum is shut down and she is in jail for cyberbullying me. nya nya ...... u r a sinoFAUXbicphobic little twat ........ nya nya
Sue me Why does he hate you cc li tarte?
Does he see you as a Sinophobe too?
Title: Re: Time to get a court order for MMB to give IP of cyberbul
Post by: Gary Oak on March 19, 2014, 12:48:42 AM
Quote from: "Fashionista"
Quote from: "cc li tarte"
Quote from: "sinoFAUXbicphobic little twat "
We'll see how serious that racist moderator Fashionista takes it when her racist, sinophobic forum is shut down and she is in jail for cyberbullying me. nya nya ...... u r a sinoFAUXbicphobic little twat ........ nya nya
Sue me Why does he hate you cc li tarte?
Does he see you as a Sinophobe too? Ho hates everyone who isn't a miserable little humourless backstabber like himself or seoulfag.
Title: Re: Time to get a court order for MMB to give IP of cyberbul
Post by: Odinson on March 19, 2014, 04:54:07 AM
Quote from: "Fashionista"
Quote from: "cc li tarte"
Quote from: "sinoFAUXbicphobic little twat "
We'll see how serious that racist moderator Fashionista takes it when her racist, sinophobic forum is shut down and she is in jail for cyberbullying me. nya nya ...... u r a sinoFAUXbicphobic little twat ........ nya nya
Sue me Why does he hate you cc li tarte?
Does he see you as a Sinophobe too?
Does it attack our resident white women too?
Title: Re: Time to get a court order for MMB to give IP of cyberbul
Post by: Anonymous on March 19, 2014, 09:00:55 AM
Quote from: "Odinson"
Quote from: "Fashionista"
Quote from: "cc li tarte"
nya nya ...... u r a sinoFAUXbicphobic little twat ........ nya nya
Sue me Why does he hate you cc li tarte?
Does he see you as a Sinophobe too?
Does it attack our resident white women too? I have read a post on Vancouver Forum where he was angry with cc li tarte too..
But, I don't know if his hatred of cc li tarte is as strong as his hatred of Shen Li and I..
And he also hated Gordy Gambino too.
Title: Re: Time to get a court order for MMB to give IP of cyberbul
Post by: Odinson on March 19, 2014, 11:15:16 AM
Quote from: "Fashionista"
Quote from: "Odinson"
Quote from: "Fashionista"
Why does he hate you cc li tarte?
Does he see you as a Sinophobe too?
Does it attack our resident white women too? I have read a post on Vancouver Forum where he was angry with cc li tarte too..
But, I don't know if his hatred of cc li tarte is as strong as his hatred of Shen Li and I..
And he also hated Gordy Gambino too.
The hate seems to be mainly towards whiteguys and you 2 racetraitors.
Title: Re: Time to get a court order for MMB to give IP of cyberbul
Post by: Anonymous on March 19, 2014, 11:22:16 AM
Quote from: "Odinson"
Quote from: "Fashionista"
Quote from: "Odinson"
Does it attack our resident white women too? I have read a post on Vancouver Forum where he was angry with cc li tarte too..
But, I don't know if his hatred of cc li tarte is as strong as his hatred of Shen Li and I..
And he also hated Gordy Gambino too.
The hate seems to be mainly towards whiteguys and you 2 racetraitors. Haha, an Asian version of Oak. Oak has the yellow fever, but hates Asian guys and white women that date them.
Title: Re: Time to get a court order for MMB to give IP of cyberbul
Post by: Odinson on March 19, 2014, 12:08:08 PM
Quote from: "Shen Li"
Quote from: "Odinson"
Quote from: "Fashionista"
I have read a post on Vancouver Forum where he was angry with cc li tarte too..
But, I don't know if his hatred of cc li tarte is as strong as his hatred of Shen Li and I..
And he also hated Gordy Gambino too.
The hate seems to be mainly towards whiteguys and you 2 racetraitors. Haha, an Asian version of Oak. Oak has the yellow fever, but hates Asian guys and white women that date them.
Hate those terms.
The finnish dialect speaking mr. roots/Kunta Kinte here is dating whitegirls. :D
Title: Re: Time to get a court order for MMB to give IP of cyberbul
Post by: Anonymous on March 19, 2014, 06:13:12 PM
Quote from: "Shen Li"
Quote from: "Odinson"
Quote from: "Fashionista"
I have read a post on Vancouver Forum where he was angry with cc li tarte too..
But, I don't know if his hatred of cc li tarte is as strong as his hatred of Shen Li and I..
And he also hated Gordy Gambino too.
The hate seems to be mainly towards whiteguys and you 2 racetraitors. Haha, an Asian version of Oak. Oak has the yellow fever, but hates Asian guys and white women that date them. Ah, now I get it. I have dated white girls before. That's why he is so jealous of me. :lol:
Title: Re: Time to get a court order for MMB to give IP of cyberbul
Post by: Gary Oak on March 19, 2014, 09:24:46 PM
Quote from: "Shen Li"
Quote from: "Odinson"
Quote from: "Fashionista"
I have read a post on Vancouver Forum where he was angry with cc li tarte too..
But, I don't know if his hatred of cc li tarte is as strong as his hatred of Shen Li and I..
And he also hated Gordy Gambino too.
The hate seems to be mainly towards whiteguys and you 2 racetraitors. Haha, an Asian version of Oak. Oak has the yellow fever, but hates Asian guys and white women that date them.
I don't give a @#$% if an oriental or anyone else dates a white girl. Where did you dream up that stupid idea ?
Title: Re: Time to get a court order for MMB to give IP of cyberbul
Post by: Gary Oak on March 19, 2014, 09:26:50 PM
Quote from: "Gary Oak"
Quote from: "Shen Li"
Quote from: "Odinson"
The hate seems to be mainly towards whiteguys and you 2 racetraitors. Haha, an Asian version of Oak. Oak has the yellow fever, but hates Asian guys and white women that date them.
I don't give a @#$% if an oriental or anyone else dates a white girl. Where did you dream up that stupid idea ?
and I have no reason to be jealous of Seoulfag either . White people if you hadnt noticed are not nearly as jealous as orientals. Do you think that white people think like orientals and hate us for it ?
Title: Re: Time to get a court order for MMB to give IP of cyberbul
Post by: Romero on March 19, 2014, 09:31:01 PM
Quote from: "Gary Oak"
I don't give a @#$% if an oriental or anyone else dates a white girl. Where did you dream up that stupid idea ? You've claimed that white women with Chinese guys are "trophies" and "gold diggers".
Title: Re: Time to get a court order for MMB to give IP of cyberbul
Post by: Gary Oak on March 19, 2014, 09:31:44 PM
Like fuck I have.
Title: Re: Time to get a court order for MMB to give IP of cyberbul
Post by: Romero on March 19, 2014, 09:33:56 PM
Quote from: "Gary Oak"
If you see a Chinese guy with a Western woman he is rich and she is an even bigger golddigger than Shen Li.
Quote from: "Gary Oak"
Quote from: "Rambo Wong"
Smoking is macho cool. Does that blonde like Chinese guys ? I like blondes Yes, it's a status symbol for eeny weenies like you. And on DV you called white blonde women with Chinese guys "trophies".
Title: Re: Time to get a court order for MMB to give IP of cyberbul
Post by: Anonymous on March 19, 2014, 09:36:15 PM
Quote from: "Romero"
Quote from: "Gary Oak"
If you see a Chinese guy with a Western woman he is rich and she is an even bigger golddigger than Shen Li. And on DV you called white blonde women with Chinese guys "trophies". Hello Romero, it is so nice to see you again.
:)
Title: Re: Time to get a court order for MMB to give IP of cyberbul
Post by: Romero on March 19, 2014, 09:37:52 PM
Hello! I hope you are doing awesome! :)
Title: Re: Time to get a court order for MMB to give IP of cyberbul
Post by: Anonymous on March 19, 2014, 09:40:10 PM
Quote from: "Romero"
Hello! I hope you are doing awesome! :) I am happy tomorrow is spring Romero..
You didn't post in a few days and I became worried..
I am so happy to have you back.
:)
Title: Re: Time to get a court order for MMB to give IP of cyberbul
Post by: Gary Oak on March 19, 2014, 09:41:01 PM
Quote from: "Romero"
Quote from: "Gary Oak"
If you see a Chinese guy with a Western woman he is rich and she is an even bigger golddigger than Shen Li.
Quote from: "Gary Oak"
Quote from: "Rambo Wong"
Smoking is macho cool. Does that blonde like Chinese guys ? I like blondes Yes, it's a status symbol for eeny weenies like you. And on DV you called white blonde women with Chinese guys "trophies".
Are you really so out of this world clueless as to not know that this oriental guys and especially Chinese guys see blonde girls as a status symbol ? For them having people see you with a blonde shows that they are high class. This is obvious and easy to verify.
Title: Re: Time to get a court order for MMB to give IP of cyberbul
Post by: Romero on March 19, 2014, 09:48:38 PM
Quote from: "Gary Oak"
Are you really so out of this world clueless as to not know that this oriental guys and especially Chinese guys see blonde girls as a status symbol ? For them having people see you with a blonde shows that they are high class. This is obvious and easy to verify. Oh, I thought you just said that you didn't care if an Asian guy dates a white girl?
Saying it's obvious and easy to verify doesn't mean a thing. It's your personal opinion. Your hateful and jealous personal opinion. You would totally freak out if you had a sister that was dating a Chinese guy.
Most people are with each other because they want to be. Fact. Your hatred doesn't apply to the real world.
Title: Re: Time to get a court order for MMB to give IP of cyberbul
Post by: Romero on March 19, 2014, 09:49:54 PM
Quote from: "Fashionista"
I am happy tomorrow is spring Romero..
You didn't post in a few days and I became worried..
I am so happy to have you back.
:) I didn't post but I did check things out once in a while!
Hey, have you heard that your premier has resigned?
Title: Re: Time to get a court order for MMB to give IP of cyberbul
Post by: Anonymous on March 19, 2014, 09:52:23 PM
Quote from: "Romero"
Quote from: "Fashionista"
I am happy tomorrow is spring Romero..
You didn't post in a few days and I became worried..
I am so happy to have you back.
:) I didn't post but I did check things out once in a while!
Hey, have you heard that your premier has resigned? No, I don't follow politics Romero..
Thank you for informing us about that.
:)
Title: Re: Time to get a court order for MMB to give IP of cyberbul
Post by: Romero on March 19, 2014, 10:00:08 PM
I shall start a thread on it. Finally Shen Li will be happy to see one of my long-winded left-wing articles!
Title: Re: Time to get a court order for MMB to give IP of cyberbul
Post by: Anonymous on March 19, 2014, 10:04:16 PM
Quote from: "Romero"
I shall start a thread on it. Finally Shen Li will be happy to see one of my long-winded left-wing articles! Shen Li is a lot more political than I am..
I care about things like pensions, job security, union negotiation fairness..
I look forward to reading your article Romero, but I do not look forward to Shen Li's rebuttal.
:(
Title: Re: Time to get a court order for MMB to give IP of cyberbul
Post by: Anonymous on March 20, 2014, 01:17:16 PM
Quote from: "Fashionista"
Quote from: "Romero"
I shall start a thread on it. Finally Shen Li will be happy to see one of my long-winded left-wing articles! Shen Li is a lot more political than I am..
I care about things like pensions, job security, union negotiation fairness..
I look forward to reading your article Romero, but I do not look forward to Shen Li's rebuttal.