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Quote from: Odinson post_id=462939 time=1657141334 user_id=136
Fireworks during summer... Not a good idea.

Quote from: Lokmar post_id=462947 time=1657149262 user_id=3351
So the latest is the dad helped this kid buy the guns. WTF, over? The dad should probably get the death penalty too for the crime of allowing his kid to get face and neck tattoos.

Quote from: Lokmar post_id=462911 time=1657117489 user_id=3351
The 2nd Amendment in America exists solely to overthrow the federal government and repel foreign invaders. That means that military grade weaponry is protected by the 2nd Amendment no matter the time period. You cant argue muskets are the only thing people can own because the intent is to enable the people to overthrow the government and you cant do that with muskets today. Now I get that everyone gets all emotional about dead children and shot up parades but that doesnt trump the Bill of Rights. I have 4 kids and if all 4 were dead, thats no reason to restrict peoples God Given Inalienable Rights.



On the flip side, you have the UK where you cant even own a knife with a locking blade or over 3" without it being considered a weapon that can land you in prison. What a fucking joke! Someone needs to overthrow that joke of a government! And guess what? People get murdered over there all the time STILL!



Americas Constitutional threat against its own government is foreign to the rest of the world. The purpose is to prevent it from becoming despotic like the UK and Australian governments. The most effective way to destroy the 2nd Amendment is to move the people away from morality and into nihilistic depravity and democrat liberals have done just that. What better way for a government to consolidate its power over the people than disarm the populace?



The solution to mass shootings in America is going to take a generation at the very least. Re-introduce the Bible and prayer into schools as it was before 1960, bring back a swift death penalty, teach Godly morality, quit allowing blacks to cry racism every time one of their din doo nuffins gets smoked by the cops. These would be a good start. For crying out loud, 2 black kids in the chicongo got in a fight, one had a knife and stabbed the other kid who was completely unarmed to death. They didnt bring charges against the murderer because it was said the 2 were "mutual combatants". LMFAO at the absurdity!!!! Whats NOT going to happen is disarming Americans. Thats a recipe for a civil war. Sure, all this sounds pollyanna but its a FACT that we didnt have anywhere near this level of violence when our society was anchored by Godly morals.

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It is this kind of misguided and irrational zealotry that has put America in this mess.



Just one small example from this nonsensical rationale; the creators of the US constitution including the right to bear arms so that people can overthrow the very government the constitution creates.

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If he was in my district I'd vote for him in a heartbeat.   :smiley_thumbs_up_yellow_ani:

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Quote from: Bricktop post_id=462953 time=1657154356 user_id=1560


It is this kind of misguided and irrational zealotry that has put America in this mess.



Just one small example from this nonsensical rationale; the creators of the US constitution including the right to bear arms so that people can overthrow the very government the constitution creates.

Exactly. We have the right (and the means) to get rid of the government if we have to.



You don't.



Enjoy your bowl of Cricket Crunch cereal.

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Trump supporters going to gun up and attack Biden government offices?

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Governing a country with guns would hardly seem characteristic of the world's greatest democracy?

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But of course, America has already gone to war with itself so theres nothing new here.

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Yep. Guns will solve ALL your problems.

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Idiots.

Quote from: Bricktop post_id=462996 time=1657176018 user_id=1560
Ah.



You mean safe like an American school?



Or safe like a Las Vegas rock concert?



Or maybe safe like an independence day celebration?



Newsflash, junior. MY country is FAR safer than your country by a factor of about 10 to 1. We don't need guns to keep us safe. Or make us feel big and strong.

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Quote from: Bricktop post_id=462996 time=1657176018 user_id=1560
Ah.



You mean safe like an American school?



Or safe like a Las Vegas rock concert?



Or maybe safe like an independence day celebration?



Newsflash, junior. MY country is FAR safer than your country by a factor of about 10 to 1. We don't need guns to keep us safe. Or make us feel big and strong.

Yes.... because we get guns pointed at our heads by a fuckwit authorities if we resist tyranny like the lockdowns...while domestic abuse case deaths migrate to blunt objects, sharp objects, and a whole generation has been so fucked up by 2 years of lockdowns and misplaced panic, that we're literally killing ourselves with booze, drugs, poverty, suicide, and people killing their own people.



I like your whiskey recommendations but when it comes to reality, you're a big steaming heap of dog shit. I wish you'd just die and go to hell in that aspect.

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Yes.... because we get guns pointed at our heads by a fuckwit authorities if we resist tyranny like the lockdowns...while domestic abuse case deaths migrate to blunt objects, sharp objects, and a whole generation has been so fucked up by 2 years of lockdowns and misplaced panic, that we're literally killing ourselves with booze, drugs, poverty, suicide, and people killing their own people.



I like your whiskey recommendations but when it comes to reality, you're a big steaming heap of dog shit. I wish you'd just die and go to hell in that aspect.

You will, no doubt, have evidence of these rather dramatic insinuations, wont you?



What am I saying.



You've never provided evidence of your idiocy in your life.

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Quote from: Lokmar post_id=462947 time=1657149262 user_id=3351
So the latest is the dad helped this kid buy the guns. WTF, over? The dad should probably get the death penalty too for the crime of allowing his kid to get face and neck tattoos.

The latest I saw was of Robert Crimo appearing on social media wearing modern racist attire.

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Quote from: Lokmar post_id=462911 time=1657117489 user_id=3351
The 2nd Amendment in America exists solely to overthrow the federal government and repel foreign invaders. That means that military grade weaponry is protected by the 2nd Amendment no matter the time period. You cant argue muskets are the only thing people can own because the intent is to enable the people to overthrow the government and you cant do that with muskets today. Now I get that everyone gets all emotional about dead children and shot up parades but that doesnt trump the Bill of Rights. I have 4 kids and if all 4 were dead, thats no reason to restrict peoples God Given Inalienable Rights.



On the flip side, you have the UK where you cant even own a knife with a locking blade or over 3" without it being considered a weapon that can land you in prison. What a fucking joke! Someone needs to overthrow that joke of a government! And guess what? People get murdered over there all the time STILL!



Americas Constitutional threat against its own government is foreign to the rest of the world. The purpose is to prevent it from becoming despotic like the UK and Australian governments. The most effective way to destroy the 2nd Amendment is to move the people away from morality and into nihilistic depravity and democrat liberals have done just that. What better way for a government to consolidate its power over the people than disarm the populace?



The solution to mass shootings in America is going to take a generation at the very least. Re-introduce the Bible and prayer into schools as it was before 1960, bring back a swift death penalty, teach Godly morality, quit allowing blacks to cry racism every time one of their din doo nuffins gets smoked by the cops. These would be a good start. For crying out loud, 2 black kids in the chicongo got in a fight, one had a knife and stabbed the other kid who was completely unarmed to death. They didnt bring charges against the murderer because it was said the 2 were "mutual combatants". LMFAO at the absurdity!!!! Whats NOT going to happen is disarming Americans. Thats a recipe for a civil war. Sure, all this sounds pollyanna but its a FACT that we didnt have anywhere near this level of violence when our society was anchored by Godly morals.

It is this kind of misguided and irrational zealotry that has put America in this mess.



Just one small example from this nonsensical rationale; the creators of the US constitution including the right to bear arms so that people can overthrow the very government the constitution creates.



If you have friends or relatives in America tell them to get out. Now.

Quote from: "Dinky Dazza" post_id=462997 time=1657177779 user_id=1676

Quote from: Bricktop post_id=462996 time=1657176018 user_id=1560
Ah.



You mean safe like an American school?



Or safe like a Las Vegas rock concert?



Or maybe safe like an independence day celebration?



Newsflash, junior. MY country is FAR safer than your country by a factor of about 10 to 1. We don't need guns to keep us safe. Or make us feel big and strong.

Yes.... because we get guns pointed at our heads by a fuckwit authorities if we resist tyranny like the lockdowns...while domestic abuse case deaths migrate to blunt objects, sharp objects, and a whole generation has been so fucked up by 2 years of lockdowns and misplaced panic, that we're literally killing ourselves with booze, drugs, poverty, suicide, and people killing their own people.



I like your whiskey recommendations but when it comes to reality, you're a big steaming heap of dog shit. I wish you'd just die and go to hell in that aspect.

Quote from: Lokmar post_id=463033 time=1657211574 user_id=3351
When you can refute all that the founders wrote on the subject, we can discuss further:



https://www.concealedcarry.com/gun-quotes-from-our-founding-fathers-2nd-amendment/

Quote from: Zetsu post_id=463078 time=1657237803 user_id=61
I have some friends that have been robbed at gunpoint or scumbags with a knife, I even have one friend that gets constantly attacked by the 4 same assholes while on his way home from school, while I've gotten into a fight against 3 guys by myself and I would have been dead if it weren't for the by standers calling the police.



Yet still none of us ever cried about needing to own some kind of weapon for self defense.

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Quote from: Zetsu post_id=463078 time=1657237803 user_id=61
I have some friends that have been robbed at gunpoint or scumbags with a knife, I even have one friend that gets constantly attacked by the 4 same assholes while on his way home from school, while I've gotten into a fight against 3 guys by myself and I would have been dead if it weren't for the by standers calling the police.



Yet still none of us ever cried about needing to own some kind of weapon for self defense.

Illegal tasers are in demand among women in Canada.

Quote from: Lokmar post_id=463033 time=1657211574 user_id=3351
When you can refute all that the founders wrote on the subject, we can discuss further:



https://www.concealedcarry.com/gun-quotes-from-our-founding-fathers-2nd-amendment/

Quote from: Bricktop post_id=463119 time=1657258511 user_id=1560

Quote from: Lokmar post_id=463033 time=1657211574 user_id=3351
When you can refute all that the founders wrote on the subject, we can discuss further:



https://www.concealedcarry.com/gun-quotes-from-our-founding-fathers-2nd-amendment/

Challenge accepted.



However, it is not for me to refute what "the founders" wrote because I do not know what they wrote. Nor do I care.



It seems to me that Americans believe that "the founders" were almost god-like in their prescience, wisdom, prognostications and indeed ability to look deep into the future, in order to set in incontrovertible stone a platform and framework for the governance of their nation that would endure for eons.



The same Americans that subscribe to Scientology, Mormonism, Area 51, the flat earth, evangalists and Amway as a means of becoming rich. Such easy prey for those who seek to control their minds and conduct. So easy to manipulate, influence and ply with fantasy and deception.



The American Constitution was written around 1789. 233 years ago. Do you believe that the fledgling American government would adopt policies, protocols, laws and strictures from 1566, that is to say 233 years before 1789?



I doubt they would have not even remotely considered it. Nor should they.



So...do you thus believe that "the founders" formulated and constructed this wondrous document on the premise that Americans would live under its ethos and doctrines in 2022??



Well, no. They did not.



"Since 1789, along with the Constitution of the United States of America (U.S. Constitution), which is the oldest and shortest written constitution still in force,[12] close to 800 constitutions have been adopted and subsequently amended around the world by independent states.[13]



In the late 18th century, Thomas Jefferson predicted that a period of 20 years would be the optimal time for any constitution to be still in force, since "the earth belongs to the living, and not to the dead."[14] Indeed, according to recent studies,[13] the average life of any new written constitution is around 19 years. However, a great number of constitutions do not last more than 10 years, and around 10% do not last more than one year, as was the case of the French Constitution of 1791.[13] By contrast, some constitutions, notably that of the United States, have remained in force for several centuries, often without major revision for long periods of time. "



So, while other nations govern themselves based on the reality of modern times, the US has steadfastly remained anchored to an anachronistic, unworkable and utterly unreasonable set of antiquated rules based on the world of the 18th century. Not the 19th, nor the 20th or the 21st. The EIGHTEENTH century. The absurdity is breathtaking to everyone outside the continental US...and probably many in it.



I do not refute the principles and shibboleths that the "founders" enshrined in their outline of a new nation. Good for them.



But I not only refute, but marvel at the asininity and derangement of Americans who grasp at this ancient document as the font of all knowledge in nation building.



As a small but I think meaningful aside, we also note that they enshrined the principle that "all men are created equal" while building an economy based on slavery and colonisation.



Hard to take them seriously, really, isn't it?

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Challenge accepted.



However, it is not for me to refute what "the founders" wrote because I do not know what they wrote. Nor do I care.



It seems to me that Americans believe that "the founders" were almost god-like in their prescience, wisdom, prognostications and indeed ability to look deep into the future, in order to set in incontrovertible stone a platform and framework for the governance of their nation that would endure for eons.



The same Americans that subscribe to Scientology, Mormonism, Area 51, the flat earth, evangalists and Amway as a means of becoming rich. Such easy prey for those who seek to control their minds and conduct. So easy to manipulate, influence and ply with fantasy and deception.



The American Constitution was written around 1789. 233 years ago. Do you believe that the fledgling American government would adopt policies, protocols, laws and strictures from 1566, that is to say 233 years before 1789?



I doubt they would have not even remotely considered it. Nor should they.



So...do you thus believe that "the founders" formulated and constructed this wondrous document on the premise that Americans would live under its ethos and doctrines in 2022??



Well, no. They did not.



"Since 1789, along with the Constitution of the United States of America (U.S. Constitution), which is the oldest and shortest written constitution still in force,[12] close to 800 constitutions have been adopted and subsequently amended around the world by independent states.[13]



In the late 18th century, Thomas Jefferson predicted that a period of 20 years would be the optimal time for any constitution to be still in force, since "the earth belongs to the living, and not to the dead."[14] Indeed, according to recent studies,[13] the average life of any new written constitution is around 19 years. However, a great number of constitutions do not last more than 10 years, and around 10% do not last more than one year, as was the case of the French Constitution of 1791.[13] By contrast, some constitutions, notably that of the United States, have remained in force for several centuries, often without major revision for long periods of time. "



So, while other nations govern themselves based on the reality of modern times, the US has steadfastly remained anchored to an anachronistic, unworkable and utterly unreasonable set of antiquated rules based on the world of the 18th century. Not the 19th, nor the 20th or the 21st. The EIGHTEENTH century. The absurdity is breathtaking to everyone outside the continental US...and probably many in it.



I do not refute the principles and shibboleths that the "founders" enshrined in their outline of a new nation. Good for them.



But I not only refute, but marvel at the asininity and derangement of Americans who grasp at this ancient document as the font of all knowledge in nation building.



As a small but I think meaningful aside, we also note that they enshrined the principle that "all men are created equal" while building an economy based on slavery and colonisation.



Hard to take them seriously, really, isn't it?

I don't care either. If I could leave a person like you decomposing in a ditch after a "random" roadside stop and know that driving away from putrid wrecks was A-Okay, I wouldn't have to look over my shoulder....



You may now commence crying, coward....

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Quote from: Lokmar post_id=463033 time=1657211574 user_id=3351
When you can refute all that the founders wrote on the subject, we can discuss further:



https://www.concealedcarry.com/gun-quotes-from-our-founding-fathers-2nd-amendment/

With all due respect, the 2nd Amendment only makes sense for post war settings were way too many people still had guns, but now it's severely outdated as the world watches US news in horror almost everyday, you guys are so numbed by it and don't realized how messed up and short sighted the pro-gun community is.

Quote from: Zetsu post_id=463078 time=1657237803 user_id=61
I have some friends that have been robbed at gunpoint or scumbags with a knife, I even have one friend that gets constantly attacked by the 4 same assholes while on his way home from school, while I've gotten into a fight against 3 guys by myself and I would have been dead if it weren't for the by standers calling the police.



Yet still none of us ever cried about needing to own some kind of weapon for self defense.

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Quote from: Lokmar post_id=463033 time=1657211574 user_id=3351
When you can refute all that the founders wrote on the subject, we can discuss further:



https://www.concealedcarry.com/gun-quotes-from-our-founding-fathers-2nd-amendment/

The American Constitution was written around 1789. 233 years ago. Do you believe that the fledgling American government would adopt policies, protocols, laws and strictures from 1566, that is to say 233 years before 1789?

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The point is clear, in order for their to be freedom, the government needs to be at risk of annihilation by the people.

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Former Japanese prime minister Shinzo Abe was shot and killed. Japan has some of the industrialized world's most restrictive gun laws.

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The American Constitution was written around 1789. 233 years ago. Do you believe that the fledgling American government would adopt policies, protocols, laws and strictures from 1566, that is to say 233 years before 1789?

Yes, and they did. Many older writings including the Bible, those from Rome, and Blackstone are directly referenced as the foundation of the basis for our form of government. With regard to weaponry, more than one founder referenced English Rulers disarming the populace.



The point is clear, in order for their to be freedom, the government needs to be at risk of annihilation by the people. If anyone wants to get rid of guns, the only alternative would be to disarm the government and remove all security barriers preventing anyone from entering and doing whatever they wanted to the leaders. Of course once the guns are gone, the leaders are free to do whatever they wish.

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Quote from: Lokmar post_id=463165 time=1657304615 user_id=3351




Yes, and they did. Many older writings including the Bible, those from Rome, and Blackstone are directly referenced as the foundation of the basis for our form of government. With regard to weaponry, more than one founder referenced English Rulers disarming the populace.



The point is clear, in order for their to be freedom, the government needs to be at risk of annihilation by the people. If anyone wants to get rid of guns, the only alternative would be to disarm the government and remove all security barriers preventing anyone from entering and doing whatever they wanted to the leaders. Of course once the guns are gone, the leaders are free to do whatever they wish.

I don't understand why would you need guns, giving the average person guns will just lead to more people assassinated.  Police and soldiers using guns makes sense b/c it's a tool required, yet when a civilian have a gun, it's classified as a offensive/lethal weapon.



Unless you want more police brutality happening and more children and innocents murdered, while your government is made out of multiple democratic parties that needs to go through a congress before they can take action.  If you want freedom and power, then comes responsibility and sacrifice.

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I don't understand why would you need guns, giving the average person guns will just lead to more people assassinated.  Police and soldiers using guns makes sense b/c it's a tool required, yet when a civilian have a gun, it's classified as a offensive/lethal weapon.



Unless you want more police brutality happening and more children and innocents murdered, while your government is made out of multiple democratic parties that needs to go through a congress before they can take action.  If you want freedom and power, then comes responsibility and sacrifice.

Guns and deadly force are the only way governments are overthrown. IMO, we look at the whole entire situation backwards. We see a shooting today and ask, how can we limit guns to stop this from happening. Even more ridiculous is places like the UK did that with stabbings. You cant own anything with a locking blade over 3" and even then, if a judge decides you have a deadly weapon, they can prosecute you for such. That government needs butchered....but they cant because the population is disarmed.



The proper way to look at this is to ask why we didnt have these mass shootings 75 years ago. Therein lies the real answer. If we keep on with anti gun crap, even if we would ban them, next thing you know we'll be banning knives and screwdrivers like the UK. Its intellectually brain dead to approach problems in that manner.

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I don't care either. If I could leave a person like you decomposing in a ditch after a "random" roadside stop and know that driving away from putrid wrecks was A-Okay, I wouldn't have to look over my shoulder....



You may now commence crying, coward....

Dead children is never something to be proud of Dinky.  Can you only image for once if every single one of you spineless coward carry a gun just to feel safe in peace times?  :sdfjh(2):

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Dead children is never something to be proud of Dinky.  Can you only image for once if every single one of you spineless coward carry a gun just to feel safe in peace times?  :sdfjh(2):

Esad, you snivelling limp wristed toady.



Food, water, shelter, weapons.... they're the basics to life. If you can't handle life, check out.

Quote from: "Dinky Dazza" post_id=463197 time=1657314040 user_id=1676
You don't deserve to be on this earth. It saddens me that so many pussies and hypocrites like you and Bricktop are on it.

Quote from: "Dinky Dazza" post_id=463220 time=1657318647 user_id=1676
I accept life and human existence at its best and in times of peace as well as times of upheaval. You've got to embrace the ying yang factor rather than demand that the gift given to you has assurances.



It's not I that wants his cake and eat it too....



Swallow a bag of concrete and harden the fuck up, bub....

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Guns and deadly force are the only way governments are overthrown. IMO, we look at the whole entire situation backwards. We see a shooting today and ask, how can we limit guns to stop this from happening. Even more ridiculous is places like the UK did that with stabbings. You cant own anything with a locking blade over 3" and even then, if a judge decides you have a deadly weapon, they can prosecute you for such. That government needs butchered....but they cant because the population is disarmed.



The proper way to look at this is to ask why we didnt have these mass shootings 75 years ago. Therein lies the real answer. If we keep on with anti gun crap, even if we would ban them, next thing you know we'll be banning knives and screwdrivers like the UK. Its intellectually brain dead to approach problems in that manner.

This is how I see it, if everyone has guns, criminals will have access to them too, which created this problem in the first place and the paradox/vicious cycle will continue on, same thing with inflation and increasing min wage.  



People getting stabbed is possible, but how can you even dare compare it to a firearm when you can't even out run a gunman.



Usually it takes 2 or more factors to create a problem.  In the old days I believe it's b/c ppl didn't have phone cams, severe decaying poverty, internet news or social media, diversity conflict, intense political/cultural competition.  Life was so much more simple back then, even if people had guns, but now if more and more people are becoming mentally unstable, guns are only making things 10x worst, it's just nothing but a catalyst with a means to kill and destroy.

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This is how I see it, if everyone has guns, criminals will have access to them too, which created this problem in the first place and the paradox/vicious cycle will continue on, same thing with inflation and increasing min wage.  



People getting stabbed is possible, but how can you even dare compare it to a firearm when you can't even out run a gunman.



Usually it takes 2 or more factors to create a problem.  In the old days I believe it's b/c ppl didn't have phone cams, severe decaying poverty, internet news or social media, diversity conflict, intense political/cultural competition.  Life was so much more simple back then, even if people had guns, but now if more and more people are becoming mentally unstable, guns are only making things 10x worst, it's just nothing but a catalyst with a means to kill and destroy.

Everyone who is free should have access to guns. Anyone who murders should be publicly executed. A lot of people should die in America every year. Only problem is, we need to make sure the right people are killed.



On tonight's news, they had a story about an old man who was beaten and robbed in his bodega. He managed to grab a knife and stabbed his attacker, killing him. New York has charged him with murder.



https://www.foxnews.com/us/new-york-city-bodega-worker-charged-murder-allegedly-seen-video-stabbing-ex-con-dispute



Just like in  the UK, if you defend yourself with any weapon, you WILL be charged. The best way to stay alive is to have a gun to shoot these assholes BEFORE they beat you. In Europe, mass murders are committed with vehicles. Cant outrun them either.



All of this is moot because unlike the rest of the world, America has a 2nd Amendment for overthrowing the government when necessary. No number of dead kids changes that.

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I doubt it'll end well for people against the US military that have over 15 years of experience fighting terrorists and a century of modern combat knowledge and training...

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I doubt it'll end well for people against the US military that have over 15 years of experience fighting terrorists and a century of modern combat knowledge and training...

You mean the US military that just got it's ass handed to it in Afghanistan?

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I doubt it'll end well for people against the US military that have over 15 years of experience fighting terrorists and a century of modern combat knowledge and training...

You mean the US military that just got it's ass handed to it in Afghanistan?

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Quote from: "Oliver Clotheshoffe" post_id=463251 time=1657333248 user_id=3349






You mean the US military that just got it's ass handed to it in Afghanistan?

I duno what makes you think they got crushed, the US have less than 2000 soldiers that were KIA, while they took out over 52,000 opposition fighters.

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I duno what makes you think they got crushed, the US have less than 2000 soldiers that were KIA, while they took out over 52,000 opposition fighters.

But, the Taliban is back in charge and using American military weapons........that's Joe Biden's fault though.

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Everyone who is free should have access to guns. Anyone who murders should be publicly executed. A lot of people should die in America every year. Only problem is, we need to make sure the right people are killed.



On tonight's news, they had a story about an old man who was beaten and robbed in his bodega. He managed to grab a knife and stabbed his attacker, killing him. New York has charged him with murder.



https://www.foxnews.com/us/new-york-city-bodega-worker-charged-murder-allegedly-seen-video-stabbing-ex-con-dispute



Just like in  the UK, if you defend yourself with any weapon, you WILL be charged. The best way to stay alive is to have a gun to shoot these assholes BEFORE they beat you. In Europe, mass murders are committed with vehicles. Cant outrun them either.



All of this is moot because unlike the rest of the world, America has a 2nd Amendment for overthrowing the government when necessary. No number of dead kids changes that.

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You mean the US military that just got it's ass handed to it in Afghanistan?

Afghan is a dang hard country to counquer.

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Quote from: "Dinky Dazza" post_id=463220 time=1657318647 user_id=1676
I accept life and human existence at its best and in times of peace as well as times of upheaval. You've got to embrace the ying yang factor rather than demand that the gift given to you has assurances.



It's not I that wants his cake and eat it too....



Swallow a bag of concrete and harden the fuck up, bub....

Sorry but you're not convincing anyone here.  Tbh I've never seen someone that doesn't have to protect the public or fight a war, but so full of cowardice that they still need a gun just to feel safe... ffs even kids I know are at least 100x braver than you.

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Sorry but you're not convincing anyone here.  Tbh I've never seen someone that doesn't have to protect the public or fight a war, but so full of cowardice that they still need a gun just to feel safe... ffs even kids I know are at least 100x braver than you.

I don't need to convince anyone here because I frankly don't give a fuck what you think and I shart in your general direction on this.



Weapons are a human right and they underpin a functioning civics minded society. If you don't like it, tuck your pissflaps in and stfu.

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Quote from: "Dinky Dazza" post_id=463261 time=1657337504 user_id=1676




I don't need to convince anyone here because I frankly don't give a fuck what you think and I shart in your general direction on this.



Weapons are a human right and they underpin a functioning civics minded society. If you don't like it, tuck your pissflaps in and stfu.

Thanks for proving my point Dinky, just dun let the door hit your ass while on the way out.

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Thanks for proving my point Dinky, just dun let the door hit your ass while on the way out.

 :laugh3:



You had no point.



You should take up flower arranging, soap making, and merkin knitting... you're no good at this internet thing.

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Quote from: "Dinky Dazza" post_id=463264 time=1657338098 user_id=1676




 :laugh3:



You had no point.



You should take up flower arranging, soap making, and merkin knitting... you're no good at this internet thing.

What ever helps you sleep better at night.   :laugh:

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What ever helps you sleep better at night.   :laugh:

The knowledge and personal mores I have that say I will kill anything that physically threatens me, my family, my friends, my neighbours makes me sleep like a baby.... (out of the womb baby; not one in gestation in a left leaning shit hole)....

Quote from: "Dinky Dazza" post_id=463268 time=1657339807 user_id=1676
Look in the mirror if you need a pussy to quote....  ac_lmfao

QuoteI will kill anything with a gun that physically threatens me.

Quote from: Bricktop post_id=463270 time=1657340700 user_id=1560
But he hasn't got a gun.



Awwwww....poor widdle fella wants a big boom boom.



Freud, too, exemplifies the paranoia and fear that permeates the American psyche.

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Quote from: Lokmar post_id=463236 time=1657330091 user_id=3351




Everyone who is free should have access to guns. Anyone who murders should be publicly executed. A lot of people should die in America every year. Only problem is, we need to make sure the right people are killed.



On tonight's news, they had a story about an old man who was beaten and robbed in his bodega. He managed to grab a knife and stabbed his attacker, killing him. New York has charged him with murder.



https://www.foxnews.com/us/new-york-city-bodega-worker-charged-murder-allegedly-seen-video-stabbing-ex-con-dispute



Just like in  the UK, if you defend yourself with any weapon, you WILL be charged. The best way to stay alive is to have a gun to shoot these assholes BEFORE they beat you. In Europe, mass murders are committed with vehicles. Cant outrun them either.



All of this is moot because unlike the rest of the world, America has a 2nd Amendment for overthrowing the government when necessary. No number of dead kids changes that.

I do agree with ya on one thing that we both hate, which is criminal rights.  But aside from that I duno why do you guys are so concerned your government will turn 180 degrees on their own people and want to destroy them just for that.  Chances are if a civil war breaks out, I doubt it'll end well for people against the US military that have over 15 years of experience fighting terrorists and a century of modern combat knowledge and training.  Not to mention as long as you use smartphones, you're screwed to begin with as the government already has all your data and everything else that's in it, and can track every where you go and everything you say.

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Quote from: Lokmar post_id=463236 time=1657330091 user_id=3351




Everyone who is free should have access to guns. Anyone who murders should be publicly executed. A lot of people should die in America every year. Only problem is, we need to make sure the right people are killed.



On tonight's news, they had a story about an old man who was beaten and robbed in his bodega. He managed to grab a knife and stabbed his attacker, killing him. New York has charged him with murder.



https://www.foxnews.com/us/new-york-city-bodega-worker-charged-murder-allegedly-seen-video-stabbing-ex-con-dispute



Just like in  the UK, if you defend yourself with any weapon, you WILL be charged. The best way to stay alive is to have a gun to shoot these assholes BEFORE they beat you. In Europe, mass murders are committed with vehicles. Cant outrun them either.



All of this is moot because unlike the rest of the world, America has a 2nd Amendment for overthrowing the government when necessary. No number of dead kids changes that.

I must offer my gratitude to you for your input.



Your deranged and deluded views nicely corroborate my view that America is a doomed nation, ready to shoot itself to death rather than govern itself sensibly.



Cheers for that.

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Quote from: "Dinky Dazza" post_id=463268 time=1657339807 user_id=1676
Look in the mirror if you need a pussy to quote....  ac_lmfao

QuoteI will kill anything with a gun that physically threatens me.

Here I've corrected it for you, everyone knows it takes a "special" kind of coward to...

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Quote from: Bricktop post_id=463270 time=1657340700 user_id=1560
But he hasn't got a gun.



Awwwww....poor widdle fella wants a big boom boom.



Freud, too, exemplifies the paranoia and fear that permeates the American psyche.

I just feel so hopeless, when the world really wants the US to get out of their vicious cycle of gun violence, not to mention nearly all our illegal guns crimes are from the US.  Dinky's idea sounds like a good idea, only for himself, while others will have the pay the price for him.

QuoteI didnt notice which country you're from but I bet when the government or criminals comes for you, your kitchen knife is your only recourse. My Benelli M4 would cut a burglar in half with 3 shots!

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I just feel so hopeless, when the world really wants the US to get out of their vicious cycle of gun violence, not to mention nearly all our illegal guns crimes are from the US.  Dinky's idea sounds like a good idea, only for himself, while others will have the pay the price for him.

Nobody but those who physically assault me, my loved ones, or innocents will have to pay the ultimate price for their misdeeds.

Quote from: Zetsu post_id=463271 time=1657341238 user_id=61
To sum it up, Dinky here



- Doesn't care how many kids are thrown under the bus - checked

- Ignores the fact his policies will lead to guns will falling into the hands of the wrong person - checked

- He said he'll kill anyone that is just a "physical threat" to him, which gives him even more power than the police - checked

- Needs a gun during peace times - checked

- Loves projecting his ignorance and stupidity on others - checked

- If god existed, there'll be a place reserved in hell for special cowards like Dinky - checked

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Nobody but those who physically assault me, my loved ones, or innocents will have to pay the ultimate price for their misdeeds.

You are a fucking idiot.

Quote from: Zetsu post_id=463260 time=1657336495 user_id=61
Anyways you guys should at least see some of the police/soldier's intense training they go through daily, and then compare your lifestyle to theirs.  



The government can just cut off the food source, medical care, gas supply, ammo, etc, even if you create your own factory, they can just bomb or raid it.  Eventually everyone will be desperate and surrender.



Hong Kong's SWAT team was created and trained by the SAS during colonial rule.  And the average time it takes for them to clear and secure a typical apartment unit filled with heavily armed suspect and hostages is no more than 4 seconds.  And the bad news(for the pro gun owners) is experts rated US's LA and Washington SWAT, etc at an even higher level.

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QuoteI didnt notice which country you're from but I bet when the government or criminals comes for you, your kitchen knife is your only recourse. My Benelli M4 would cut a burglar in half with 3 shots!

Wow.



You must be quite a guy.



So many guns and so much ammunition. You must be a pillar of your community.



You must have really applauded the culprit who killed those 7 people this week.



He had 5 guns and lots of bullets too. A real American.



Here's a question for you.



Would you rescind your precious stockpile of killing machines, thus increasing the risk of losing your Playstation 5 and iPhone 13 to housebreakers, in return for ensuring the safety of your community from serial murderers using high powered rifle to slaughter innocents.



Which is more important to you, chuck? Your trinkets, or the lives of others?

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Quote from: Bricktop post_id=463282 time=1657348773 user_id=1560




Wow.



You must be quite a guy.



So many guns and so much ammunition. You must be a pillar of your community.



You must have really applauded the culprit who killed those 7 people this week.



He had 5 guns and lots of bullets too. A real American.



Here's a question for you.



Would you rescind your precious stockpile of killing machines, thus increasing the risk of losing your Playstation 5 and iPhone 13 to housebreakers, in return for ensuring the safety of your community from serial murderers using high powered rifle to slaughter innocents.



Which is more important to you, chuck? Your trinkets, or the lives of others?

Yea, I'm a pillar of the community. Best of all, I'm armed to the teeth.



Your comment about the murderer is absurd.



I've previously stated that there is no number of dead kids, including all of my own, that is worth repealing ANY of the Bill of Rights, especially the 2nd Amendment.

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Here I've corrected it for you, everyone knows it takes a "special" kind of coward to...

I never said I'd do it with a gun... I would protect people with a fucking brick or my fists if it came down to nothing else... but you'd have me potentially die doing so because of your paranoia and fear about inanimate objects..... yet I drive a large vehicle with an attached roo bar on it.... do you have a problem with that? Of course you don't....until vehicles are used as weapons and you retreat inside your mangina.

Quote from: "Dinky Dazza" post_id=463284 time=1657348932 user_id=1676

Quote from: Zetsu post_id=463271 time=1657341238 user_id=61
To sum it up, Dinky here



- Doesn't care how many kids are thrown under the bus - checked

- Ignores the fact his policies will lead to guns will falling into the hands of the wrong person - checked

- He said he'll kill anyone that is just a "physical threat" to him, which gives him even more power than the police - checked

- Needs a gun during peace times - checked

- Loves projecting his ignorance and stupidity on others - checked

- If god existed, there'll be a place reserved in hell for special cowards like Dinky - checked

Ignorant ex-Aussie cop feels his already tiny dick being shrunken into his groin cavity - check!



Loves projecting his innate authoritarian tendencies on others - check!



Hates when people don't have to die while they're waiting on the phone with 911 or 000 for 5 to 55 minutes for a big, and stupid narcissist in blue or khaki, to attend the scene.....and eventually shoot family members and pets.



Bricktop is a huge coward.... he's a literal piece of shit.

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You are a fucking idiot.

I'd leave you in a ditch for what you've supported...



Don't die gracefully....just die as slow as possible...



Hell appreciates the warm-up.

Quote from: Lokmar post_id=463286 time=1657350716 user_id=3351

Quote from: Zetsu post_id=463260 time=1657336495 user_id=61
Anyways you guys should at least see some of the police/soldier's intense training they go through daily, and then compare your lifestyle to theirs.  



The government can just cut off the food source, medical care, gas supply, ammo, etc, even if you create your own factory, they can just bomb or raid it.  Eventually everyone will be desperate and surrender.



Hong Kong's SWAT team was created and trained by the SAS during colonial rule.  And the average time it takes for them to clear and secure a typical apartment unit filled with heavily armed suspect and hostages is no more than 4 seconds.  And the bad news(for the pro gun owners) is experts rated US's LA and Washington SWAT, etc at an even higher level.

Subduing criminals is far far different than controlling an armed revolutionary mob. The police would either join the people or be dead in a few days...no more than a week. One of my friends is a retired federal marshal. Mostly, they took down the criminals they were pursuing. Criminals tend to isolate themselves and the marshals would hit them with overwhelming force as soon as they had them isolated. Occasionally, they lost a man to fire from criminals. My friend was shot on 2 different occasions with handgun rounds at close range and thankfully the vest saved him. If anyone gets shot with a 223 or a 308 with a vest police commonly use, they'll suffer broken/bruised ribs and internal bleeding. Most soft vests wont sufficiently protect from a 30-06. A 12 ga slug will kill anyone wearing a soft vest if they're hit in certain spots. Even though the rounds wont penetrate, the kinetic energy can kill.  SWAT would be ineffective against large groups of armed people. If they are all equipped with hard plate body armor, they will last longer.

Quote from: "iron horse jockey" post_id=463330 time=1657392756 user_id=2015
I don't care if the States tossed out the Second Amendment and banned all private gun ownership. But, I don't think it will lower violent gun crime.

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Quote from: Lokmar post_id=463286 time=1657350716 user_id=3351




Subduing criminals is far far different than controlling an armed revolutionary mob. The police would either join the people or be dead in a few days...no more than a week. One of my friends is a retired federal marshal. Mostly, they took down the criminals they were pursuing. Criminals tend to isolate themselves and the marshals would hit them with overwhelming force as soon as they had them isolated. Occasionally, they lost a man to fire from criminals. My friend was shot on 2 different occasions with handgun rounds at close range and thankfully the vest saved him. If anyone gets shot with a 223 or a 308 with a vest police commonly use, they'll suffer broken/bruised ribs and internal bleeding. Most soft vests wont sufficiently protect from a 30-06. A 12 ga slug will kill anyone wearing a soft vest if they're hit in certain spots. Even though the rounds wont penetrate, the kinetic energy can kill.  SWAT would be ineffective against large groups of armed people. If they are all equipped with hard plate body armor, they will last longer.

If it's a revolution, it's not just the police/SWAT you'll be dealing with, you'll have to expect to face the US military, the government have a endless of resources and insane amount of training and experience in guerrilla warfare.  Chances are your firearms will be effectiveless against their any armoured vehicle while.  While your phones, walkie talkies will betray you, etc.

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Quote from: "iron horse jockey" post_id=463330 time=1657392756 user_id=2015
I don't care if the States tossed out the Second Amendment and banned all private gun ownership. But, I don't think it will lower violent gun crime.

If the US does bans guns on a national level, the black market's gun supply will most likely decline rapidly as they rely on getting their guns from other gun legal states or legal owners that sells them for money.

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If the US does bans guns on a national level, the black market's gun supply will most likely decline rapidly as they rely on getting their guns from other gun legal states or legal owners that sells them for money.

Drugs are illegal in the States. How is that working for them. Did prohibition stop drinking?

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Quote from: "iron horse jockey" post_id=463330 time=1657392756 user_id=2015
I don't care if the States tossed out the Second Amendment and banned all private gun ownership. But, I don't think it will lower violent gun crime.

If the US does bans guns on a national level, the black market's gun supply will most likely decline rapidly as they rely on getting their guns from other gun legal states or legal owners that sells them for money.

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If it's a revolution, it's not just the police/SWAT you'll be dealing with, you'll have to expect to face the US military, the government have a endless of resources and insane amount of training and experience in guerrilla warfare.  Chances are your firearms will be effectiveless against their any armoured vehicle while.  While your phones, walkie talkies will betray you, etc.

The standard issue police have a system for monitoring all forms of electronic activity when they are searching for someone. My buddy with the marshals was telling me all about it. No doubt there will be people picked off in this manner. Meanwhile, the command structure for the civilian forces would be quickly decimated and overrun. The military COULD mobilize against the public. The question is WOULD they. We dont know for sure because we havent seen it happen. Marshal Law would have to be in place first. It would be a bloodbath. The military would be extremely demoralized at the least and after 1 week, the rest of the populace would turn on the military AND what was left of the government. Regime change would follow soon after would be my guess.



Something else to consider is unlike all other countries, Americans have quite a bit of night vision gear, enabling us to see at night. I have a thermal scope mounted to a .22. People make fun of me for putting a $1800 scope on a $300 rifle.....until they see me use it in twilight to shoot varmints. Then they want one for themselves!



Again, America is unlike all other countries. Its not gonna be a cakewalk for the authorities during a civil war. Hell, I bet a group of your average hog hunters could take over just about any medium sized city in Europe with their night gear.

Quote from: "iron horse jockey" post_id=463341 time=1657395203 user_id=2015
Does anyone seriously think throwing out the Second will lower gun violence in the States. I don't care what the Americans do. I am just pointing out there are three hundred million firearms in the States. Good luck lowering violent crime by making guns illegal.

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The standard issue police have a system for monitoring all forms of electronic activity when they are searching for someone. My buddy with the marshals was telling me all about it. No doubt there will be people picked off in this manner. Meanwhile, the command structure for the civilian forces would be quickly decimated and overrun. The military COULD mobilize against the public. The question is WOULD they. We dont know for sure because we havent seen it happen. Marshal Law would have to be in place first. It would be a bloodbath. The military would be extremely demoralized at the least and after 1 week, the rest of the populace would turn on the military AND what was left of the government. Regime change would follow soon after would be my guess.



Something else to consider is unlike all other countries, Americans have quite a bit of night vision gear, enabling us to see at night. I have a thermal scope mounted to a .22. People make fun of me for putting a $1800 scope on a $300 rifle.....until they see me use it in twilight to shoot varmints. Then they want one for themselves!



Again, America is unlike all other countries. Its not gonna be a cakewalk for the authorities during a civil war. Hell, I bet a group of your average hog hunters could take over just about any medium sized city in Europe with their night gear.

I'm no US lawyer, but I'm very sure if there is an attempt to annihilate the government, there's no question the military will be used.  I don't know what makes you think the military will be demoralized and will lose about in a week when the US have fought multiple entire nations nearly non-stop for over half a century, same goes for Hong Kong's rioters were hopeless just against their average police, no SWAT were ever needed to be deployed, no morale issues from HK cops and I doubt the average American police/soldier will suffer from any either.



In regards to having night vision/infra-red, the way I see it is you have a gun along with a thermal scope, lets say it gives a "creature" like you a 2-dimension advantage, while US forces is what I would call a "beast" with at least 12-dimensions of advantage.  



You should go check out some of the new inventions the US military have came up with to take out terrorist, from smart grenade launchers with precise detination timing, to bombs that can engulf the entire interior of any cave into flames, to bullet radar giving out location of an enemy sniper, etc.



What you're using is mostly the same tech from post WWII, against the most advance, experience and professionally train military in the entire world.  Considering even China's army and their civilians with rifles weren't able to stop the IJA during WWII, chances of pro-gun owners winning against the best of the best is less than 1%.

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Quote from: "iron horse jockey" post_id=463341 time=1657395203 user_id=2015
Does anyone seriously think throwing out the Second will lower gun violence in the States. I don't care what the Americans do. I am just pointing out there are three hundred million firearms in the States. Good luck lowering violent crime by making guns illegal.

I know it sounds hopeless, but you must start from some point, best way is to give people incentive to turn them in, even if it takes a few decades to scrap them all.

Quote from: Zetsu post_id=463342 time=1657395631 user_id=61

Quote from: "iron horse jockey" post_id=463341 time=1657395203 user_id=2015
Does anyone seriously think throwing out the Second will lower gun violence in the States. I don't care what the Americans do. I am just pointing out there are three hundred million firearms in the States. Good luck lowering violent crime by making guns illegal.

I know it sounds hopeless, but you must start from some point, best way is to give people incentive to turn them in, even if it takes a few decades to scrap them all.

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I'm no US lawyer, but I'm very sure if there is an attempt to annihilate the government, there's no question the military will be used.  I don't know what makes you think the military will be demoralized and will lose about in a week when the US have fought multiple entire nations nearly non-stop for over half a century, same goes for Hong Kong's rioters were hopeless just against their average police, no SWAT were ever needed to be deployed, no morale issues from HK cops and I doubt the average American police/soldier will suffer from any either.



In regards to having night vision/infra-red, the way I see it is you have a gun along with a thermal scope, lets say it gives a "creature" like you a 2-dimension advantage, while US forces is what I would call a "beast" with at least 12-dimensions of advantage.  



You should go check out some of the new inventions the US military have came up with to take out terrorist, from smart grenade launchers with precise detination timing, to bombs that can engulf the entire interior of any cave into flames, to bullet radar giving out location of an enemy sniper, etc.



What you're using is mostly the same tech from post WWII, against the most advance, experience and professionally train military in the entire world.  Considering even China's army and their civilians with rifles weren't able to stop the IJA during WWII, chances of pro-gun owners winning against the best of the best is less than 1%.

The military cannot engage in America without Martial Law. That sounds like a minor thing but psychologically, its huge. That would instantly trigger major backlash against the government, making their problem worse. The American Military has never faced an armed civilian populace like it has in its own back yard. Their bases are surrounded by those same people. Attacking and killing their own people would be hugely demoralizing. There would be desertions and refusals to follow orders constantly. We've already had dozens of statements by civilian police stating that they will NEVER comply with disarming the populace so you can count on those specific agencies to either help or step aside.



Again, the dynamics are completely different in America compared to anywhere else in the world.



The military's only hope of stopping an armed insurrection by the people would be to use weaponry that would turn their supporters against them. Then the military would implode.

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Quote from: Lokmar post_id=463343 time=1657396080 user_id=3351




The military cannot engage in America without Martial Law. That sounds like a minor thing but psychologically, its huge. That would instantly trigger major backlash against the government, making their problem worse. The American Military has never faced an armed civilian populace like it has in its own back yard. Their bases are surrounded by those same people. Attacking and killing their own people would be hugely demoralizing. There would be desertions and refusals to follow orders constantly. We've already had dozens of statements by civilian police stating that they will NEVER comply with disarming the populace so you can count on those specific agencies to either help or step aside.



Again, the dynamics are completely different in America compared to anywhere else in the world.



The military's only hope of stopping an armed insurrection by the people would be to use weaponry that would turn their supporters against them. Then the military would implode.

From wiki it says the US president or congress alone already can impose martial law.  But lets just say if there is a armed revolution starting and hell breaks lose into full scale in less than a week and martial law is imposed.



You failed to understand the training soldiers go through, soldier's are trained to get the job done, that's it, not let their feelings decide.  Lets say even if half of the US military resigns, less than 1% doesn't resigns and goes rogue, it will still make no difference.  The problem is not in numbers of people or guns, but the immense gap in technology.  Even if the US base are surrounded by pro-gun people, tell me what can they do?  Just their lightest combat vehicle, the HUMVEE can stop nearly any bullets, even if some have .50 sniper rifles, they'll just hide in their APCs or MBTs and nothing can be done.



You won't stand a chance against them on the battlefield, so what can you do?  Snipe from your own home or an abandon building.  But the military is not retarded as they'll patrol in armoured vehicles and the M1's German forged main gun can level the entire hideout with just 1 shot;  Afterwards everyone in the hideout will be crying for help from building's collapse rubble.  



IEDs are useless as they from their experience in Afgan/Iraq they can just use radio jammers everywhere they go, unless you use wired the IED to your detinator it'll just give away your location.  And most importantly, the government can see everything you do on your smartphone if they wanted to, it'll most likely give away the whole list of rebels and who to look for.



This is just one of the most simple and common scenario why the military will win hands down, without any sweat or dent.  There are other factors, but they chance of the rebels winning is non-existent so I won't mention them.

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From wiki it says the US president or congress alone already can impose martial law.  But lets just say if there is a armed revolution starting and hell breaks lose into full scale in less than a week and martial law is imposed.



You failed to understand the training soldiers go through, soldier's are trained to get the job done, that's it, not let their feelings decide.  Lets say even if half of the US military resigns, less than 1% doesn't resigns and goes rogue, it will still make no difference.  The problem is not in numbers of people or guns, but the immense gap in technology.  Even if the US base are surrounded by pro-gun people, tell me what can they do?  Just their lightest combat vehicle, the HUMVEE can stop nearly any bullets, even if some have .50 sniper rifles, they'll just hide in their APCs or MBTs and nothing can be done.



You won't stand a chance against them on the battlefield, so what can you do?  Snipe from your own home or an abandon building.  But the military is not retarded as they'll patrol in armoured vehicles and the M1's German forged main gun can level the entire hideout with just 1 shot;  Afterwards everyone in the hideout will be crying for help from building's collapse rubble.  



IEDs are useless as they from their experience in Afgan/Iraq they can just use radio jammers everywhere they go, unless you use wired the IED to your detinator it'll just give away your location.  And most importantly, the government can see everything you do on your smartphone if they wanted to, it'll most likely give away the whole list of rebels and who to look for.



This is just one of the most simple and common scenario why the military will win hands down, without any sweat or dent.  There are other factors, but they chance of the rebels winning is non-existent so I won't mention them.

There's not enough military in this country to successfully stop an all out civil war. There's also no chance of repealing the 2nd Amendment. American civilians will continue to have the ability to purchase and keep guns because the horrors of the alternative are far too great.

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There's not enough military in this country to successfully stop an all out civil war. There's also no chance of repealing the 2nd Amendment. American civilians will continue to have the ability to purchase and keep guns because the horrors of the alternative are far too great.

The problem doesn't lies in which side has more guns, but who has the technological superiority.  And the government first thing to do is raid or destroy all the gun factories, if not they can just freeze people's bank account from being able to withdraw money.



Lets say half of the police and military resigns, you still have about 2 million police/soldiers on duty in the US.  And for the rebelling side, lets say only 4/5 of the men and 1/5 of the women fights, and people under age 20 or over 55 are excluded due to age factors.  Technically it'll be 2 million police/soldiers vs 50 million rebels.  With only 50 million pro gun owners to take on the US military/local authorities, there'll be only blood bath on one side, and it's obvious who will be on the receiving end, I don't understand how is this even a debate and there's no contest.

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The problem doesn't lies in which side has more guns, but who has the technological superiority.  And the government first thing to do is raid or destroy all the gun factories, if not they can just freeze people's bank account from being able to withdraw money.



Lets say half of the police and military resigns, you still have about 2 million police/soldiers on duty in the US.  And for the rebelling side, lets say only 4/5 of the men and 1/5 of the women fights, and people under age 20 or over 55 are excluded due to age factors.  Technically it'll be 2 million police/soldiers vs 50 million rebels.  With only 50 million pro gun owners to take on the US military/local authorities, there'll be only blood bath on one side, and it's obvious who will be on the receiving end, I don't understand how is this even a debate and there's no contest.

There would be a severe psychological collapse in the military from killing their own people. By the time 5 million citizens were dead, public opinion would solidify against the military and their authority and command structure would break down. Lets just say Australia had to put 5 million citizens down who were rioting with pitchforks. That would be the end of its government.

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I know it sounds hopeless, but you must start from some point, best way is to give people incentive to turn them in, even if it takes a few decades to scrap them all.

Criminals keeping their guns is an incentive to keep, not surrender legal firearms. I am certain violent crime would soar if legal firearms were surrendered.



Knowing potential random victims could have firearms in their home acts as a deterrent. Taking away firearms in some countries may have the effect of lowering violent crime rates, but in States?? Fuggedaboutit.

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Talk about the guns.



Guns or not... The home invasions, rapes, muggings, murders are still gonna be around.





And you dont have the power to stop them.





The packs of niggers and spics are gonna take over the whole neighborhood.



You are alone... They have the numbers.



You cant go anywhere.

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An army works in unison while the armed citizenry is a loosely organized armed mob.



For the civil war to work, the rebelling side needs an army too.

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There would be a severe psychological collapse in the military from killing their own people. By the time 5 million citizens were dead, public opinion would solidify against the military and their authority and command structure would break down. Lets just say Australia had to put 5 million citizens down who were rioting with pitchforks. That would be the end of its government.

Tb fair, the same logic can be applied to the rebellion group, the only difference is soldiers are a lot more resilient than the average person from having to go through a mental break down.  If they don't want to fight or have a mental break down, they fall into the resigned category.

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I'd leave you in a ditch for what you've supported...



Don't die gracefully....just die as slow as possible...



Hell appreciates the warm-up.

This is why you deserve to be identified as soon as possible.

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Tb fair, the same logic can be applied to the rebellion group, the only difference is soldiers are a lot more resilient than the average person from having to go through a mental break down.  If they don't want to fight or have a mental break down, they fall into the resigned category.

True. Its likely many civilians will die. Again, thats gonna be bad for morale and over all support for the military. The window of opportunity for the military to quell an insurrection would be very short.



Several Red States would secede as well. That will also prolong the pain. None of the 1st world countries can relate.

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Don't engage that fuckwit. He's now an obese ex Aussie cop who hates hunting for meat and anything to do with humans defending themselves... the guy's head is mud.

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Don't engage that fuckwit. He's now an obese ex Aussie cop who hates hunting for meat and anything to do with humans defending themselves... the guy's head is mud.

Yet you engage with me at every opportunity.



Well, I say engage...its more like the foaming, rabid conniption of someone with very serious social adjustment issues inherited from his American ancestry.



As usual, you prove my point about the American mentality and the belief in violence as a virtue, so please...continue with your macho-man gibberish. Must make you feel like a REAL man.



 :001_rolleyes:

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Yet you engage with me at every opportunity.



Well, I say engage...its more like the foaming, rabid conniption of someone with very serious social adjustment issues inherited from his American ancestry.



As usual, you prove my point about the American mentality and the belief in violence as a virtue, so please...continue with your macho-man gibberish. Must make you feel like a REAL man.



 :001_rolleyes:

He engages you with school yard insults. Does that count?

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Tb fair, the same logic can be applied to the rebellion group, the only difference is soldiers are a lot more resilient than the average person from having to go through a mental break down.  If they don't want to fight or have a mental break down, they fall into the resigned category.

True. Its likely many civilians will die. Again, thats gonna be bad for morale and over all support for the military. The window of opportunity for the military to quell an insurrection would be very short.



Several Red States would secede as well. That will also prolong the pain. None of the 1st world countries can relate.

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True. Its likely many civilians will die. Again, thats gonna be bad for morale and over all support for the military. The window of opportunity for the military to quell an insurrection would be very short.



Several Red States would secede as well. That will also prolong the pain. None of the 1st world countries can relate.

I hate to break it to you, but I've never know any cases where a nation's military or police force is going through a severe morale decay or just give up due to the fact they're fighting against their own people.



Considering there are 2.5 million US military personal and 1 million US local authorities, remember they are all mentally and physically trained individuals.  You have to remember these people are modern warriors, not the average person or gun gun fanatic.

Quote from: "Dinky Dazza" post_id=463374 time=1657416783 user_id=1676
You've never been a man....

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Quote from: "Dinky Dazza" post_id=463374 time=1657416783 user_id=1676
You've never been a man....

Good job describing yourself again.  :001_rolleyes:

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I hate to break it to you, but I've never know any cases where a nation's military or police force is going through a severe morale decay or just give up due to the fact they're fighting against their own people.



Considering there are 2.5 million US military personal and 1 million US local authorities, remember they are all mentally and physically trained individuals.  You have to remember these people are modern warriors, not the average person or gun gun fanatic.

Read up on history....

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Good job describing yourself again.  :001_rolleyes:

Good job being ignorant on the history of humanity.

Quote from: "Oliver Clotheshoffe" post_id=463398 time=1657420372 user_id=3349
I must say I am indeed impressed with the leftist posters here, they haven't brought up Trump for almost a day now.

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I must say I am indeed impressed with the leftist posters here, they haven't brought up Trump for almost a day now.

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We got the best dang leftists in town.

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Good job being ignorant on the history of humanity.

There's a good reason why no government or average person will ever agree with you, except for your gun loving friends...

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I must say I am indeed impressed with the leftist posters here, they haven't brought up Trump for almost a day now.

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He engages you with school yard insults. Does that count?

He's got the mentality of a 2 year old. It's the only language he understands.

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There's a good reason why no government or average person will ever agree with you, except for your gun loving friends...

Fuck government and fuck you, Mr Average....



No fucks given.

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Fuck government and fuck you, Mr Average....



No fucks given.

That's nice, now go cry in the corner, spineless chickenshit that needs a gun just to feel safe.

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He's got the mentality of a 2 year old. It's the only language he understands.

I duno should I feel sorry for you or not, nearly all your attempt to bash Bricktop only proves how amazingly hypocritic and childish you are.

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I duno should I feel sorry for you or not, nearly all your attempt to bash Bricktop only proves how amazingly hypocritic and childish you are.

Bricktop is a fuckwit and so is anybody who supports his stances.

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I'm just curious, do you consider me a leftist or a rightist Oliver?

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Quote from: Herman post_id=463401 time=1657420590 user_id=1689


We got the best dang leftists in town.

Quality over quantity  ac_dance

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I'm just curious, do you consider me a leftist or a rightist Oliver?

Doesn't ever enter my mind. If anything I hope you're a centrist and I'm the center of your attention  :l_girl_kiss:

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Bricktop is a fuckwit and so is anybody who supports his stances.

Don't make me believe there is only 2 types of people in this world, ones that are selfish and ones that aren't...

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Don't make me believe there is only 2 types of people in this world, ones that are selfish and ones that aren't...

You and Bricktop are definitely in the selfish camp... that much is assured.

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You and Bricktop are definitely in the selfish camp... that much is assured.

Again, believe what ever helps you sleep better at night.  Might as well give criminal more rights too while you're at it.  :001_rolleyes:

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You and Bricktop are definitely in the selfish camp... that much is assured.

Again, believe what ever helps you sleep better at night.  Might as well give criminal more rights too while you're at it.  :001_rolleyes:

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Again, believe what ever helps you sleep better at night.  Might as well give criminal more rights too while you're at it.  :001_rolleyes:

That is what Justine Trudeau would do.

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Again, believe what ever helps you sleep better at night.  Might as well give criminal more rights too while you're at it.  :001_rolleyes:

Whatever you reckon, tosser....  :smiley_thumbs_up_yellow_ani:

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Again, believe what ever helps you sleep better at night.  Might as well give criminal more rights too while you're at it.  :001_rolleyes:

That is what Justine Trudeau would do.

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Whatever you reckon, tosser....  :smiley_thumbs_up_yellow_ani:

I can now understand why Bricktop doesn't see you as worthy attention.

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That is what Justine Trudeau would do.

He's definitely the worst PM Canada has ever had.  ac_unsure

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True. Its likely many civilians will die. Again, thats gonna be bad for morale and over all support for the military. The window of opportunity for the military to quell an insurrection would be very short.



Several Red States would secede as well. That will also prolong the pain. None of the 1st world countries can relate.

I hate to break it to you, but I've never know any cases where a nation's military or police force is going through a severe morale decay or just give up due to the fact they're fighting against their own people.



Considering there are 2.5 million US military personal and 1 million US local authorities, remember they are all mentally and physically trained individuals.  You have to remember these people are modern warriors, not the average person or gun fanatic.

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Quote from: Zetsu post_id=463391 time=1657419835 user_id=61




I hate to break it to you, but I've never know any cases where a nation's military or police force is going through a severe morale decay or just give up due to the fact they're fighting against their own people.



Considering there are 2.5 million US military personal and 1 million US local authorities, remember they are all mentally and physically trained individuals.  You have to remember these people are modern warriors, not the average person or gun fanatic.

There's actually been interviews done here asking about such things and it never reflects results which align with your theory.

Quote from: "Oliver Clotheshoffe" post_id=463494 time=1657471916 user_id=3349
Soldiers have sworn an oath to protect the constitution from all enemies foreign and domestic and a good chunk of them will uphold that oath.



Cops will be busy defending their own families so don't expect too much out of them.

Quote from: "Oliver Clotheshoffe" post_id=463494 time=1657471916 user_id=3349
Soldiers have sworn an oath to protect the constitution from all enemies foreign and domestic and a good chunk of them will uphold that oath.



Cops will be busy defending their own families so don't expect too much out of them.

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Quote from: "Oliver Clotheshoffe" post_id=463494 time=1657471916 user_id=3349
Soldiers have sworn an oath to protect the constitution from all enemies foreign and domestic and a good chunk of them will uphold that oath.



Cops will be busy defending their own families so don't expect too much out of them.

Then based on your logic, Hong Kong's rioters should have won against their own police, but they've lost and are now all locked up behind bars.

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Then based on your logic, Hong Kong's rioters should have won against their own police, but they've lost and are now all locked up behind bars.

The rule of law don't mean much any place under Chinese sovereignty.

Quote from: Odinson post_id=463504 time=1657476527 user_id=136
What is a gun?

Quote from: Odinson post_id=463504 time=1657476527 user_id=136What is a gun?

Quote from: "Shen Li" post_id=463517 time=1657490155 user_id=56

Quote from: Odinson post_id=463504 time=1657476527 user_id=136What is a gun?

What is a brain?

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Quote from: "Shen Li" post_id=463517 time=1657490155 user_id=56


What is a brain?

Only conservatives and libertarians have those....

Quote from: "Dinky Dazza" post_id=463564 time=1657519792 user_id=1676

Quote from: "Shen Li" post_id=463517 time=1657490155 user_id=56


What is a brain?

Only conservatives and libertarians have those....

Quote from: "Shen Li" post_id=463517 time=1657490155 user_id=56

Quote from: Odinson post_id=463504 time=1657476527 user_id=136What is a gun?

What is a brain?

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Quote from: "Shen Li" post_id=463517 time=1657490155 user_id=56


What is a brain?

Its a person who identifies as a brain.

Quote from: "Dinky Dazza" post_id=463645 time=1657585043 user_id=1676
Oi, we're not brain surgeons here....



Signed

- Rocket

Quote from: Lokmar post_id=466187 time=1658460340 user_id=3351
For anyone who would like to know the historical roots of the 2nd Amendment, watch from about 7 minutes to 33 minutes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ieqt9nYekkw



BTW, the video also delves into how governments may eventually engage in controlling what everyone can purchase via carbon credits.

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Shots were reported at the FBI's Cincinnati office on Thursday when an armed person wearing body armor attempted to breach the building and encountered agents.

https://twitter.com/FBICincinnati/status/1557756293682692098?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1557756293682692098%7Ctwgr%5E9eeeb7598d8074229490fbdc3cd654d188615f27%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.theblaze.com%2Fnews%2Fshots-fired-at-fbi-cincinnati-hq-after-armed-subject-attempts-to-breach-building