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Frazier Glenn Cross is accused of shooting to death a boy and his grandfather outside a Jewish community center near Kansas City, Kansas, on Sunday and then a woman at a nearby Jewish assisted living facility.
Hate crime charges are possible, as police investigators say they have "unquestionably determined" that Cross' actions were a hate crime, Overland Park Police Chief John Douglass said.
Legal experts say hate crime charges are possible, even though the victims were Christian.
Cross, 73, is the founder and former leader of the Carolina Knights of the Ku Klux Klan and the White Patriot Party, according to the Southern Poverty Law Center, which monitors hate groups. Both organizations operated as paramilitary groups in the 1980s, according to the SPLC.
The accused killer's neo-pagan religion
//http://www.cnn.com/2014/04/15/us/kansas-jewish-center-shooting/
That's where a link led to something which totally blew my mind:
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"The faith's obsession with genetic purity, racial supremacy and conquering supposedly lesser peoples is a recipe for violence," said Josh Glasstetter, campaign director for the Southern Poverty Law Center.
Odin, often depicted with a white beard and long robe, is chief among the Norse gods, whose pantheon includes Thor, the god of thunder, and Loki, the mischief-maker.
In 2010, a white nationalist group, the Council of Conservative Citizens, boycotted the movie "Thor" because it cast a black actor, Idris Elba, as a Norse god.
Cross writes in his autobiography, which remains posted on his website, that he has prayed for Odin to spark a race war in the United States.
On Sunday, Cross "appears to have been acting out a violent fantasy, with himself cast as the brave Odinist warrior of his imagination," Glasstetter said.
Though Odinism has been appropriated by white racists, most adherents are peaceful, earth-loving pagans (some followers prefer the name "heathen"), said Jonathan White, an expert on religious extremists and a professor at Grand Valley State University in Grand Rapids, Michigan.
An ancient Viking religion, Odinism resurfaced in northern Germany in the 19th century, where Nazis later appropriated its themes and gods.
Odinist mythology "was a bedrock belief for key Third Reich leaders, and it was an integral part of the initiation rites and cosmology of the elite Schutzstaffel (SS), which supervised Adolf Hitler's network of death camps".
Odinism also influenced the creation of the American Nazi Party, which was founded in 1959.
Odinism has lately gained in popularity among white supremacists who believe that Jesus is too peaceful and too Jewish to worship, White said. "It's hard to get a violent god out of Jesus."
The Southern Poverty Law Center warns of a Odinist network run out of a California prison, where Asatru, another neopagan religion with roots in Iceland, has also taken root.
"Racist versions of Odinism and its Icelandic version, Asatru, have become increasingly popular theologies among imprisoned racists and others on the radical right in recent years," said the Southern Poverty Law Center in a 2009 report.
Peaceful neo-pagans, meanwhile, have strongly condemned white supremacists who appropriate their religion.
//http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2014/04/14/frazier-glenn-cross-racist-religion/
Wow.
WOW indeed!! :shock:
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I think religion tends to be a suitable front for whackos, which is rather telling.
I wonder when that religious, racist, sinophobic, twirlbrained, fruitcake, moron, fucked in the head, nutcase, lying, cyberbully, administrator of the racist Asian Canadian Corner, Fashionista will go on a racist, murdering rampage? She should be in jail.
^How did I know roughly what you were going to write before reading it? :x
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Frazier Glenn Cross is accused of shooting to death a boy and his grandfather outside a Jewish community center near Kansas City, Kansas, on Sunday and then a woman at a nearby Jewish assisted living facility.
Hate crime charges are possible, as police investigators say they have "unquestionably determined" that Cross' actions were a hate crime, Overland Park Police Chief John Douglass said.
Legal experts say hate crime charges are possible, even though the victims were Christian.
Cross, 73, is the founder and former leader of the Carolina Knights of the Ku Klux Klan and the White Patriot Party, according to the Southern Poverty Law Center, which monitors hate groups. Both organizations operated as paramilitary groups in the 1980s, according to the SPLC.
The accused killer's neo-pagan religion
//http://www.cnn.com/2014/04/15/us/kansas-jewish-center-shooting/
That's where a link led to something which totally blew my mind:
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"The faith's obsession with genetic purity, racial supremacy and conquering supposedly lesser peoples is a recipe for violence," said Josh Glasstetter, campaign director for the Southern Poverty Law Center.
Odin, often depicted with a white beard and long robe, is chief among the Norse gods, whose pantheon includes Thor, the god of thunder, and Loki, the mischief-maker.
In 2010, a white nationalist group, the Council of Conservative Citizens, boycotted the movie "Thor" because it cast a black actor, Idris Elba, as a Norse god.
Cross writes in his autobiography, which remains posted on his website, that he has prayed for Odin to spark a race war in the United States.
On Sunday, Cross "appears to have been acting out a violent fantasy, with himself cast as the brave Odinist warrior of his imagination," Glasstetter said.
Though Odinism has been appropriated by white racists, most adherents are peaceful, earth-loving pagans (some followers prefer the name "heathen"), said Jonathan White, an expert on religious extremists and a professor at Grand Valley State University in Grand Rapids, Michigan.
An ancient Viking religion, Odinism resurfaced in northern Germany in the 19th century, where Nazis later appropriated its themes and gods.
Odinist mythology "was a bedrock belief for key Third Reich leaders, and it was an integral part of the initiation rites and cosmology of the elite Schutzstaffel (SS), which supervised Adolf Hitler's network of death camps".
Odinism also influenced the creation of the American Nazi Party, which was founded in 1959.
Odinism has lately gained in popularity among white supremacists who believe that Jesus is too peaceful and too Jewish to worship, White said. "It's hard to get a violent god out of Jesus."
The Southern Poverty Law Center warns of a Odinist network run out of a California prison, where Asatru, another neopagan religion with roots in Iceland, has also taken root.
"Racist versions of Odinism and its Icelandic version, Asatru, have become increasingly popular theologies among imprisoned racists and others on the radical right in recent years," said the Southern Poverty Law Center in a 2009 report.
Peaceful neo-pagans, meanwhile, have strongly condemned white supremacists who appropriate their religion.
//http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2014/04/14/frazier-glenn-cross-racist-religion/
Wow.
:o
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And it's all bullshit written by someone who obviously doesn't know the difference between Teutonic mythology, Wotanism and Odinism.
The Nazi Thule Society which was an organization dedicated to the study of Germanic tribalism, Germanic mythology and Aryanism was the only remote link to Odinism the Nazis had. When Hitler came to power he very quickly established a Christian ethos as a religious basis for the Nazi doctrine. Any form of ancient Germanic religion was considered too primitive and unsuitable to serve the Nazi party. Contrary to hysterical and sensationalized statements like the one in the article Odinism was never a part of the National Socialist Party in WWII era Germany. The only remote connection between the two is the Teutonic mythological notion of the pure Germanic warrior.
The Odinism or Astrui that comes from the early 20th century is a cobbled together recreation of a long dead religion that hasn't been in practice since the dark ages. There is nothing political about it just like there is nothing political regarding Wicca or Druidism. What white supremacy groups practice today as a form of pseudo religious/political doctrine is Wotanism. Wotan was the Germanic equivalent of Odin and the name Wotan is used as an acronym for Will Of The Aryan Nation or W.O.T.A.N. It is nothing but propaganda that uses Germanic/Norse symbolism and mythology to justify their twisted belief in a pure white race and has very little to do with Norse religious beliefs.
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And if all all bullshit written by someone who obviously doesn't know the difference between Teutonic mythology, Wotanism and Odinism.
The Nazi Thule Society which was an organization dedicated to the study of Germanic tribalism, Germanic mythology and Aryanism was the only remote link to Odinism the Nazis had. When Hitler came to power he very quickly established a Christian ethos as a religious basis for the Nazi doctrine. Any form of ancient Germanic religion was considered too primitive and unsuitable to serve the Nazi party. Contrary to hysterical and sensationalized statements like the one in the article Odinism was never a part of the National Socialist Party in WWII era Germany. The only remote connection between the two is the Teutonic mythological notion of the pure Germanic warrior.
The Odinism or Astrui that comes from the early 20th century is a cobbled together recreation of a long dead religion that hasn't been in practice since the dark ages. There is nothing political about it just like there is nothing political regarding Wicca or Druidism. What white supremacy groups practice today as a form of pseudo religious/political doctrine is Wotanism. Wotan was the Germanic equivalent of Odin and the name Wotan is used as an acronym for Will Of The Aryan Nation or W.O.T.A.N. It is nothing but propaganda that uses Germanic/Norse symbolism and mythology to justify their twisted belief in a pure white race and has very little to do with Norse religious beliefs.
Thanks for the history lesson on Teutonic mythology Renee. You appear to know what you are talking about. However, I find this European shit about as interesting as watching the snow melt. What I do know, is that Odinson is one strange waste of fucking air.
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Quote from: "Shen Li"
And if all all bullshit written by someone who obviously doesn't know the difference between Teutonic mythology, Wotanism and Odinism.
The Nazi Thule Society which was an organization dedicated to the study of Germanic tribalism, Germanic mythology and Aryanism was the only remote link to Odinism the Nazis had. When Hitler came to power he very quickly established a Christian ethos as a religious basis for the Nazi doctrine. Any form of ancient Germanic religion was considered too primitive and unsuitable to serve the Nazi party. Contrary to hysterical and sensationalized statements like the one in the article Odinism was never a part of the National Socialist Party in WWII era Germany. The only remote connection between the two is the Teutonic mythological notion of the pure Germanic warrior.
The Odinism or Astrui that comes from the early 20th century is a cobbled together recreation of a long dead religion that hasn't been in practice since the dark ages. There is nothing political about it just like there is nothing political regarding Wicca or Druidism. What white supremacy groups practice today as a form of pseudo religious/political doctrine is Wotanism. Wotan was the Germanic equivalent of Odin and the name Wotan is used as an acronym for Will Of The Aryan Nation or W.O.T.A.N. It is nothing but propaganda that uses Germanic/Norse symbolism and mythology to justify their twisted belief in a pure white race and has very little to do with Norse religious beliefs.
Thanks for the history lesson on Teutonic mythology Renee. You appear to know what you are talking about. However, I find this European shit about as interesting as watching the snow melt. What I do know, is that Odinson is one strange waste of fucking air.
Well it's just to show that like everything else, 90% of what you read on the net is basically crap.
As for Odie, he is a good example of what I'm talking about with all his prattle about white northern Europeans being superior. He has no idea what he is saying he just repeats shit based on what he has been fed thru propaganda. It has no religious basis other than some symbolism stolen from Norse mythology mixed with romantic Victorian notions of Viking warrior culture.
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As for Odie, he is a good example of what I'm talking about with all his prattle about white northern Europeans being superior. He has no idea what he is saying he just repeats shit based on what he has been fed thru propaganda. It has no religious basis other than some symbolism stolen from Norse mythology mixed with romantic Victorian notions of Viking warrior culture.
With Oddstain, it's a combination of stupidity and heaps of vodka.
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Does Frazier Glenn Cross and Odinson know this? I don't see why the article is bullshit since it's simply explaining what they believe in.
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Does Frazier Glenn Cross and Odinson know this? I don't see why the article is bullshit since it's simply explaining what they believe in.
It's bullshit because making statements that are untrue is......
Which statement is untrue?
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I explained it already. Go back and read.
None of the things you wrote about are in the article.
Frazier Glenn Cross didn't write in his biography that he's an adherent of Odinism? Odinist mythology didn't influence many SS?
Whatever the origins of Nazism, that article certainly reminded us of another white trash idiot that use to frequent this board.
Indeed! I was quite surprised when I read it.
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Frazier Glenn Cross didn't write in his biography that he's an adherent of Odinism? Odinist mythology didn't influence many SS?
I'm not getting into one of your circle jerk arguments.
The claim that the 3rd Reich and todays white supremacy movement is heavily influenced by Odinism is untrue. I already explained it in relative detail. It is not my problem if you want to be obtuse.
Obviously you too do not grasp the difference between Odinism and Teutonic mythology. I'm not going to be dragged into a discussion that you will purposely distort for the sake of being contrary. You are a nice guy Romero but all too often you like to play the troll.
Have a nice day.
The article isn't claiming there was heavy influence. It says there was some influence.
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I never said anything about Teutonic mythology.
I didn't post this thread to troll. I can't imagine where you're getting that idea. I posted the article because it's surprisingly like what Odinson believes.
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I never said anything about Teutonic mythology.
I didn't post this thread to troll. I can't imagine where you're getting that idea. I posted the article because it's surprisingly like what Odinson believes.
As I explained it is the symbolism in Teutonic mythology that had some influence in the National Socialist Party in Hitler's Germany and in the neo Nazi movement of today. Odinism as a religion is quite different. The article tries to lump Odinism into the hodgepodge of Teutonic symbolism and fairy tale political propaganda that Nazis and the white supremacy movement uses to instill their misguided version of ethnic pride into their followers.
As I already pointed out, Oddstain does indeed behave like an individual that has swallowed the neo Nazi propaganda. He seems to believe the romantic crap regarding the superiority and purity of Teutonic or Norse warrior but that doesn't make him an Odinist.