Title: Who was the 1st 'Christian'?
Post by: JOE on December 12, 2022, 08:33:24 PM
Post by: JOE on December 12, 2022, 08:33:24 PM
But wait...wasn't he called 'The King of the Jews'?
and was he even aware when he was alive that he was 'Christian'?
Or did he see himself as a Jew?
Or was Jesus the leader of some breakaway Jewish sect which later developed into Christianity?
Seems Christianity arose or was created after the death of Jesus Christ.
And if that's the case, who was the 1st Christian?
Seems to me that Christians or Christianity are followers of Christ.
But it wasn't Jesus Christ himself. He was a Jew.
So shouldn't Christians be following Judaism?
Or is Christianity just a modified version of Judaism?
Title: Re: Who was the 1st 'Christian'?
Post by: Dove on December 12, 2022, 11:32:52 PM
Post by: Dove on December 12, 2022, 11:32:52 PM
At least legit Judaism, the Old Covanant. The first Christian's wouldnt be Jesus because He is the Christ in Christianity. The first Christian really would be Mary. From there ....the 12 disciples who after the ascension of Christ formed the first church. And they followed Christ command to spread the gospel and name disciples off all nations. It began with Jews. Hebrews.
Christianity is simply the New Covenant .....as Jesus fulfilled the law and prophesies.
The OC was the foreshadowing of the coming of Christ. Now that Christ has walked the earth, lived a sinless life as God in flesh among us, rose from the dead and ascended....its now through Him we are reconciled to God.
And this is the perfect time of year to discuss it.
"Who has believed our report? And to whom has the arm of the Lord been revealed? 2 For He shall grow up before Him as a tender plant, And as a root out of dry ground. He has no form or comeliness; And when we see Him, There is no beauty that we should desire Him.
3 He is despised and rejected by men, A Man of sorrows and acquainted with grief. And we hid, as it were, our faces from Him; He was despised, and we did not esteem Him.
4 Surely He has borne our griefs And carried our sorrows; Yet we esteemed Him stricken, Smitten by God, and afflicted. 5 But He was wounded for our transgressions, He was bruised for our iniquities; The chastisement for our peace was upon Him, And by His stripes we are healed. 6 All we like sheep have gone astray; We have turned, every one, to his own way; And the Lord has laid on Him the iniquity of us all.
7 He was oppressed and He was afflicted, Yet He opened not His mouth; He was led as a lamb to the slaughter, And as a sheep before its shearers is silent, So He opened not His mouth. 8 He was taken from prison and from judgment, And who will declare His generation? For He was cut off from the land of the living; For the transgressions of My people He was stricken. 9 And they made His grave with the wicked-- But with the rich at His death, Because He had done no violence, Nor was any deceit in His mouth.
10 Yet it pleased the Lord to bruise Him; He has put Him to grief. When You make His soul an offering for sin, He shall see His seed, He shall prolong His days, And the pleasure of the Lord shall prosper in His hand. 11 He shall see the labor of His soul, and be satisfied. By His knowledge My righteous Servant shall justify many, For He shall bear their iniquities.
12 Therefore I will divide Him a portion with the great, And He shall divide the spoil with the strong, Because He poured out His soul unto death, And He was numbered with the transgressors, And He bore the sin of many, And made intercession for the transgressors"
~Isaiah 53
Title: Re: Who was the 1st 'Christian'?
Post by: caskur on December 13, 2022, 04:20:02 AM
Post by: caskur on December 13, 2022, 04:20:02 AM
...many would assume that it was Jesus Christ.
But wait...wasn't he called 'The King of the Jews'?
and was he even aware when he was alive that he was 'Christian'?
Or did he see himself as a Jew?
Or was Jesus the leader of some breakaway Jewish sect which later developed into Christianity?
Seems Christianity arose or was created after the death of Jesus Christ.
And if that's the case, who was the 1st Christian?
Seems to me that Christians or Christianity are followers of Christ.
But it wasn't Jesus Christ himself. He was a Jew.
So shouldn't Christians be following Judaism?
Or is Christianity just a modified version of Judaism?
The 12 apostles were Christ's first followers.
The Jews were the first to be offered to become "Christian" because of a promise of God to Abraham (long story) millennial, before but after Jesus baptism, becoming Christian was opened to include the Gentiles as well.
The invitation is extended globally.
Title: Re: Who was the 1st 'Christian'?
Post by: deadskinmask on December 13, 2022, 09:51:23 AM
Post by: deadskinmask on December 13, 2022, 09:51:23 AM
modern jews are NOT real jews.... modern jews are a cover for luciferian pedophiles who are actively destroying our country....
Title: Re: Who was the 1st 'Christian'?
Post by: DKG on December 13, 2022, 09:58:20 AM
Post by: DKG on December 13, 2022, 09:58:20 AM
https://www.bitchute.com/video/wa1VDt4L1UEL/
modern jews are NOT real jews.... modern jews are a cover for luciferian pedophiles who are actively destroying our country....:mad:
Are you a man of faith? I know it's none of my business, and I'm not judging one way or the other. I was just curious, that is all.
Title: Re: Who was the 1st 'Christian'?
Post by: deadskinmask on December 13, 2022, 10:05:29 AM
Post by: deadskinmask on December 13, 2022, 10:05:29 AM
Are you a man of faith? I know it's none of my business, and I'm not judging one way or the other. I was just curious, that is all.
i am.... i gave up on God about 45 years ago but fortunately enough He never gave up on me and i found my way back....
Title: Re: Who was the 1st 'Christian'?
Post by: DKG on December 13, 2022, 10:07:51 AM
Post by: DKG on December 13, 2022, 10:07:51 AM
Are you a man of faith? I know it's none of my business, and I'm not judging one way or the other. I was just curious, that is all.
i am.... i gave up on God about 45 years ago but fortunately enough He never gave up on me and i found my way back....:sad:
I noticed any thread about religion you have something to add, so I assumed you were man of faith.
Title: Re: Who was the 1st 'Christian'?
Post by: deadskinmask on December 13, 2022, 10:13:55 AM
Post by: deadskinmask on December 13, 2022, 10:13:55 AM
i am.... i gave up on God about 45 years ago but fortunately enough He never gave up on me and i found my way back....:sad:
I noticed any thread about religion you have something to add, so I assumed you were man of faith.
thats a good guess... if you'll notice, i don't post in your 'Money' thred.... and the reason is similar.... its because i don't have any....
Title: Re: Who was the 1st 'Christian'?
Post by: DKG on December 13, 2022, 10:16:29 AM
Post by: DKG on December 13, 2022, 10:16:29 AM
I noticed any thread about religion you have something to add, so I assumed you were man of faith.
thats a good guess... if you'll notice, i don't post in your 'Money' thred.... and the reason is similar.... its because i don't have any....:laugh:
That's no excuse. Joe is seventy and flat broke and he spams the hell out of my thread.
Title: Re: Who was the 1st 'Christian'?
Post by: Dove on December 13, 2022, 10:18:28 AM
Post by: Dove on December 13, 2022, 10:18:28 AM
https://www.bitchute.com/video/wa1VDt4L1UEL/
modern jews are NOT real jews.... modern jews are a cover for luciferian pedophiles who are actively destroying our country....:mad:
You mean modern "judaism". Because it's impossible for them to continue practicing old covenant Judaism. The temple was destroyed.
It's funny how God allows the destruction of the temple, as Jesus predicted would happen and still these jews want to live by the law. And they dont even recognize God. What are they even doing? It's so weird.
Messianic jews exist. They are a great source to learn from as well. Jews for Jesus is a good source
Title: Re: Who was the 1st 'Christian'?
Post by: deadskinmask on December 13, 2022, 10:19:25 AM
Post by: deadskinmask on December 13, 2022, 10:19:25 AM
thats a good guess... if you'll notice, i don't post in your 'Money' thred.... and the reason is similar.... its because i don't have any....:laugh:
That's no excuse. Joe is seventy and flat broke and he spams the hell out of my thread.:laugh3:
"its better to be silent and thought a fool than to speak out and confirm their suspicions"....
Title: Re: Who was the 1st 'Christian'?
Post by: deadskinmask on December 13, 2022, 10:23:47 AM
Post by: deadskinmask on December 13, 2022, 10:23:47 AM
https://www.bitchute.com/video/wa1VDt4L1UEL/
modern jews are NOT real jews.... modern jews are a cover for luciferian pedophiles who are actively destroying our country....:mad:
You mean modern "judaism". Because it's impossible for them to continue practicing old covenant Judaism. The temple was destroyed.
It's funny how God allows the destruction of the temple, as Jesus predicted would happen and still these jews want to live by the law. And they dont even recognize God. What are they even doing? It's so weird.
Messianic jews exist. They are a great source to learn from as well. Jews for Jesus is a good source
https://jewsforjesus.org/?reference_code=STEBSC&utm_source=google&utm_medium=brandsearch&utm_campaign=STEBSC&gclid=Cj0KCQiA4uCcBhDdARIsAH5jyUmpd9O7baGbmKUvCteJx-ZK5IZ1TB3Xq59SRTpdXospNcI6kQgqY9kaAog6EALw_wcB
for the record, i don't 'hate jews'.... there are good jews for every bad jew.... but the ones who ARE bad are indeed the fuckin worst humanity has to offer.... and unfortunately, its the same ones who make and influence political policy and social culture....
Title: Re: Who was the 1st 'Christian'?
Post by: Dove on December 13, 2022, 10:37:33 AM
Post by: Dove on December 13, 2022, 10:37:33 AM
https://www.bitchute.com/video/wa1VDt4L1UEL/
modern jews are NOT real jews.... modern jews are a cover for luciferian pedophiles who are actively destroying our country....:mad:
This video isnt bad at all. He kinda lost sight on the fact the family lines and the blessing was the line of Jesus. Jesus is the Abrahamic blessing and His body (bride) is Israel.
After Christ was crucified and rose....as He taught, the gentiles would become grafted in.
It was NEVER Israel as a nation. They constantly fell into heavy sin and turned from God. And God always kept a portion of the people to Himself. You'll notice that's a constant theme in the OT.
Not only do modern jews do not believe in the OT(you either believe it or you dont....its not a buffet lol) they completely removed Isaiah 53....which I actually quoted in this thread. They view Christ as a cult leader and a heretic and blasphemer to this very day.
But yeah this video did a pretty good job. It just left the most important element, how the promise was always the Messiah and through Him God would reconcile humanity to Himself. It was never just for the jews. The chosen people would be that portion that God kept from the rest...like the prophets and those who stayed faithful to God while the country went into idolatry and evil. God would then turn them over into bondage.
The OT isnt about jews. It's about Jesus. Their old Covenant Judaism was a foreshadowing of Jesus.
The talmud is evil. It's really got some serious hate and blaspheme in it.....as that guy in the video said how it calls Mary a whore and says Christ is burning in hell. It's the worst most disgusting book. The satanic bible isnt even that hateful. When you take Jesus out of the OT it falls apart and becomes absurd and doesnt make sense. That's why they have the talmud. It's just depraved thinking.
Title: Re: Who was the 1st 'Christian'?
Post by: Dove on December 13, 2022, 10:42:29 AM
Post by: Dove on December 13, 2022, 10:42:29 AM
You mean modern "judaism". Because it's impossible for them to continue practicing old covenant Judaism. The temple was destroyed.
It's funny how God allows the destruction of the temple, as Jesus predicted would happen and still these jews want to live by the law. And they dont even recognize God. What are they even doing? It's so weird.
Messianic jews exist. They are a great source to learn from as well. Jews for Jesus is a good source
https://jewsforjesus.org/?reference_code=STEBSC&utm_source=google&utm_medium=brandsearch&utm_campaign=STEBSC&gclid=Cj0KCQiA4uCcBhDdARIsAH5jyUmpd9O7baGbmKUvCteJx-ZK5IZ1TB3Xq59SRTpdXospNcI6kQgqY9kaAog6EALw_wcB
for the record, i don't 'hate jews'.... there are good jews for every bad jew.... but the ones who ARE bad are indeed the fuckin worst humanity has to offer.... and unfortunately, its the same ones who make and influence political policy and social culture....:sad:
I know, Ed lol. I get what you guys are saying when you talk about the Jews.
Title: Re: Who was the 1st 'Christian'?
Post by: Dove on December 13, 2022, 10:49:59 AM
Post by: Dove on December 13, 2022, 10:49:59 AM
Joe this should answer your questions on Christianity and who was the first and where it came from.
Title: Re: Who was the 1st 'Christian'?
Post by: JOE on December 13, 2022, 12:33:04 PM
Post by: JOE on December 13, 2022, 12:33:04 PM
thats a good guess... if you'll notice, i don't post in your 'Money' thred.... and the reason is similar.... its because i don't have any....:laugh:
That's no excuse. Joe is seventy and flat broke and he spams the hell out of my thread.:laugh3:
....hey Korean be grateful that there is a NATO & they fought so your grandparents could be free. Otherwise ya'd be a poor coolie living in North Korea right now. The communists came very close to pushing the South off the peninsula and into the sea. You owe NATO and God a debt of gratitude, Korean. Many NATO & American soldiers died to save Korea. So quit bashing NATO like you always do & start supporting the good guys. Don't forget that. They saved you from the fate many North Koreans face today as many suffer under a communist dictatorship, Korean.
NATO saved you from a fate like this, Korean. If you enjoy a good life its because of NATO, Korean.
Title: Re: Who was the 1st 'Christian'?
Post by: caskur on December 13, 2022, 01:08:11 PM
Post by: caskur on December 13, 2022, 01:08:11 PM
https://www.bitchute.com/video/wa1VDt4L1UEL/
modern jews are NOT real jews.... modern jews are a cover for luciferian pedophiles who are actively destroying our country....:mad:
Yes I know. It has evolved or morphed however it is only the Jewish business class that are a problem imo...
Title: Re: Who was the 1st 'Christian'?
Post by: Shen Li on December 13, 2022, 01:08:50 PM
Post by: Shen Li on December 13, 2022, 01:08:50 PM
Title: Re: Who was the 1st 'Christian'?
Post by: deadskinmask on December 13, 2022, 04:14:11 PM
Post by: deadskinmask on December 13, 2022, 04:14:11 PM
for the record, i don't 'hate jews'.... there are good jews for every bad jew.... but the ones who ARE bad are indeed the fuckin worst humanity has to offer.... and unfortunately, its the same ones who make and influence political policy and social culture....:sad:
I know, Ed lol. I get what you guys are saying when you talk about the Jews.
when i say 'jews', i mean the reptilian baby-eaters that live underground....
Title: Re: Who was the 1st 'Christian'?
Post by: Lokmar on December 14, 2022, 10:33:33 AM
Post by: Lokmar on December 14, 2022, 10:33:33 AM
Title: Re: Who was the 1st 'Christian'?
Post by: Dove on December 14, 2022, 11:06:00 AM
Post by: Dove on December 14, 2022, 11:06:00 AM
Mary. The answer is Mary.
If you want to get really specific.....the first Christian was Eve.
"So the Lord God said to the serpent: "Because you have done this, You are cursed more than all cattle, And more than every beast of the field; On your belly you shall go, And you shall eat dust All the days of your life. 15 And I will put enmity Between you and the woman, And between your seed and her Seed; He shall bruise your head, And you shall bruise His heel."
16 To the woman He said: "I will greatly multiply your sorrow and your conception; In pain you shall bring forth children; Your desire shall be for your husband, And he shall rule over you.""
Gen 3
Title: Re: Who was the 1st 'Christian'?
Post by: weebles on December 14, 2022, 04:41:55 PM
Post by: weebles on December 14, 2022, 04:41:55 PM
Title: Re: Who was the 1st 'Christian'?
Post by: Dove on December 14, 2022, 05:41:29 PM
Post by: Dove on December 14, 2022, 05:41:29 PM
Truth is no one but a bunch of power hungry greedy people that try to control you.... All they need is more money and power for some reason.ac_umm https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5bbKnj1-mR0
Churches run on tithes and donations from the congregation. With that money they take care of people in the congregation. The pastor is paid....his entire life is devoted to the church and the church pays him.
Also the Christian body is the largest global charity in existence. They help and feed the poor. Build hospitals and care for this sick. You name it.
Not to say there are not grifters....there are always bad actors. However the church is pretty solid.
If you are worried about people who want to control you who want your money.....look at the secular world and the communist culture where the drive for power and wealth even costs people money. How about sex....how much money does that bring in? We have more slaves in the world today than we have ever had and most are sex slaves.
Mindgeek that owns all the porn sites makes gross amounts of money. How much pays for those harmed in the sex industry or even goes towards making sure child porn and trafficking are kept out?
Look how much money flows in for food and weight loss and all that?
I mean ....Weebs....if you are worried about corpo profiteering and people being controlled.....are you REALLY going to look past exactly that all around you and pick on the CHURCH?
Title: Re: Who was the 1st 'Christian'?
Post by: Lokmar on December 30, 2022, 06:44:14 PM
Post by: Lokmar on December 30, 2022, 06:44:14 PM