is reserved for marriage between one man and one woman."
I like to think I'm just as gay-friendly as the next downtown Toronto liberal esthete. But I have a hard time understanding how a single Christian law school — even one that makes unmarried people wait till they graduate before they commence having sex — is a threat to gay Canada. And it would be nice to think, however naïvely, that the spirit of "diversity," the doctrine that those same liberal elites always are anxious to apply to female, aboriginal, gay and multiculti university applicants, applies to believing Christians as well.
The other objectionable aspect of the campaign against TWU is that the school's critics completely ignore the experience of the United States, where various Christian law schools have long co-existed quite peaceably with a larger legal profession that is, like Canada's, admirably welcoming of gay lawyers.
As a former U.S. lawyer, I speak from experience on this point.
Eighteen years ago, when I was pursuing my legal education in the United States, I traveled to the University of Virginia for a large softball tournament that brought together teams from law schools across the country. Our first match was against a team from Liberty University, a school based just down Highway 29 in Lynchburg. My team took the field first. And while we were waiting for the first Liberty U batter to step up to the plate, something odd happened: The Liberty U players assembled around home plate and stood there in silence. At first, we thought it was a strategy meeting, or maybe they were prepping for a big cheer. But then we noticed their eyes were all closed. They were ... praying.
I shouldn't have been surprised. Liberty University is a school for Evangelical Christians founded by Jerry Falwell in 1971. "The Bible, both Old and New Testaments, though written by men, was supernaturally inspired by God so that all its words are the written true revelation of God," declares the school's doctrinal statement. "We affirm that Adam, the first man, willfully disobeyed God, bringing sin and death into the world. As a result, all persons are sinners from conception, which is evidenced in their willful acts of sin; and they are therefore subject to eternal punishment, under the just condemnation of a holy God ... We affirm that the Holy Spirit indwells all who are born again, conforming them to the likeness of Jesus Christ. This is a process completed only in Heaven. Every believer is responsible to live in obedience to the Word of God in separation from sin."
There also is a code of conduct, "The Liberty Way" that more or less demands that students acquit themselves as if they were characters in a 1950s TV show: "All students are asked to display mature Christian behavior in social interaction ... Handholding is the only appropriate form of personal contact ... After dusk, students should not be alone with an individual of the opposite sex in any unlighted area." The subject of sexual intimacy between people of the same sex isn't mentioned explicitly, not only because it is clearly proscribed under the more general admonition that students conform to Biblical strictures, but also, presumably, because the rules were written on the assumption that no gay student would ever want to attend Liberty University in the first place.
Yet, at least one did — Brandon Ambrosino. We know this because he told his story in The Atlantic last year, under the headline "Being Gay at Jerry Falwell's University." And here's the amazing thing about his experience: The University's officials didn't shun him. Instead, they tried to make him feel accepted and loved — even though they regarded his behaviour as prohibited and sinful:
" 'Homosexuality!' I blurted. 'I've been struggling with homosex ...' and I broke down," writes Ambrosino, in describing his first such encounter at Liberty U. "Here I was in the English chair's office at the world's most homophobic university, and I'd just admitted to her I was gay. She got up from her chair, and rushed over to me. I braced myself for the lecture I was going to receive, for the insults she would hurl, for the ridicule I would endure. I knew how Christians were, and how they clung to their beliefs about homosexuals and Sodom and Gomorrah, and how disgusted they were by gay people. The tears fell more freely now because I really liked this teacher, and now I ruined our relationship. 'I love you,' she said. I stopped crying for a second and looked up at her ... 'It's going to be ok,' she said. 'You're ok.' She nodded her head, squeezed my shoulder, and repeated, 'I love you.' "
The stereotype that many Canadians hold of Evangelicals (and of devout Christians more generally) is that their attitude toward gays is phobic and hateful. But from what I know, the reaction Brandon Ambrosino got at Liberty U is much more typical: Love the sinner, even if you hate the sin. And I can't think of any reason why the atmosphere at TWU would be any different.
During my legal practice in the United States, I met plenty of lawyers who'd graduated from explicitly Evangelical, Mormon and Jewish law schools. (Ironically, all of these American religious law-school graduates would be eligible to practice law in Ontario, if they pass our bar exams and satisfy other admission criteria — even though graduates from TWU, a Canadian religious law school, would not.) Law school had not taught them to be homophobic bigots in lawyer's garb: Instead, they were competent and humane professionals who also happened to be religious.
And those Liberty U softball players I met in 1995? They turned out to be great guys when we all went out together after the game. A little squeaky clean, perhaps. But that's not a crime.
Nor, for that matter, is being a Christian. And the Supreme Court of Canada already has instructed one professional society — the British Columbia College of Teachers — that they can't ostracize TWU graduates simply because they don't like the university's religious rules. If the Law Society of Upper Canada won't make its peace with Christianity, it should at least respect settled Canadian law. And if it doesn't, then TWU should litigate this issue until they do.
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Just gonna say this.
I'm okay with private schools having their own code of conduct. In the States, there is a whole whack of private universities that cater to religion.
But with the case of TWU, they're not privately funded. They receive money from the Canadian government.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/christian-schools-received-20m-from-infrastructure-fund-1.1329280
You can't take government tax money and then discriminate against the minority.
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I'm okay with private schools having their own code of conduct. In the States, there is a whole whack of private universities that cater to religion.
But with the case of TWU, they're not privately funded. They receive money from the Canadian government.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/christian-schools-received-20m-from-infrastructure-fund-1.1329280
You can't take
so basically you are saying it is ok to discriminate against
The intolerance of the left is becoming so pervasive in modern society it even garners mention in today's MSM.....even incorrect thinking can be justification for being ostracized from mainstream society, loss of employment or even criminal charges.....this is becoming a rather scary society you are creating....no wonder sharia law is becoming attractive to many newcomers.
I'm not saying that. I'm saying you can't discriminate.
So no Christian only schools. No gay only schools either. Or Jewish only schools. Or white only, black only, green only.
It's up to the government to determine which degrees will be held valid in our country. The barista at my coffee shop has a doctorate in Social Work from the Philippians that is useless here.
And I personally think forcing a student to sign a piece of paper saying they won't have sex violates the students personal interests, regardless of their religion. Not having sex isn't going to make the student any less of a lawyer.
I highly doubt the members of the Law Societies are all lefties. There are conservatives and Christians against that Convenant as well.
The idea that any institution should dictate what adults can do in their personal lives is ridiculous. How would it be enforced? Lie detectors? 24 hour surveillance?
Of course, anyone found out to be unmarried and pregnant or a parent could be kicked out. That's not right. There's the intolerance.
is there a reason...just one....why anyone would want to go to a University that made them do something so offensive ....pls tell me..........if they wanted me to sign something that was so contrary to my beliefs i certainly would not attend.......but that is not good enough for the progressive left.....no no no...they are not satisfied until the rest of society agrees with them....this has nothing to do with getting a law degree.......it has now become part of the "agenda" .......this university does not fit into the progressive program and so it must be crushed....have you folks ever thought about what will happen when you have silenced everyone who dissents...you know, those people who fought and died so you could be different.
As I said above, I have no problem with private schools having their own agenda, as long as they accept no govt funding. We have separation of religion and state for a reason.
Forcing students to sign a piece of paper stating they won't have sex under penalty of being expelled, that's a total violation of rights.
I'll also add that I have great respect for the people who fought and died so I can do things like vote.
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Forcing students to sign a piece of paper stating they won't have sex under penalty of being expelled, that's a total violation of rights.
I'll also add that I have great respect for the people who fought and died so I can do things like vote.
That's how I see it too. However, I think parents should have the right to direct their tax dollars to private schools including religious ones.
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Forcing students to sign a piece of paper stating they won't have sex under penalty of being expelled, that's a total violation of rights.
I'll also add that I have great respect for the people who fought and died so I can do things like vote.
just to correct one point....we do not have separation of church and state in Canada...as a matter of fact the Catholic school system was/is enshrined in the constitution and established across canada.....it was a demand of Quebec agreeing to join confederation in 1867......christian charter schools are available in many provinces as well....again, students are not forced to sign anything.....if they want to attend TWU then they must sign a pledge.......no one is forcing them to attend...there are endless opportunities to go to university in this country......and no,.. law societies cannot pick and chose which degrees from which CANADIAN university they will accept.......TWU will end up suing them and win...but it is silly to have to do that and a clear violation of religious rights in canada....which, by the way are guaranteed under the charter you love so much....gay rights are not.
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Forcing students to sign a piece of paper stating they won't have sex under penalty of being expelled, that's a total violation of rights.
I'll also add that I have great respect for the people who fought and died so I can do things like vote.
just to correct one point....we do not have separation of church and state in Canada...as a matter of fact the Catholic school system was/is enshrined in the constitution and established across canada.....it was a demand of Quebec agreeing to join confederation in 1867......christian charter schools are available in many provinces as well....again, students are not forced to sign anything.....if they want to attend TWU then they must sign a pledge.......no one is forcing them to attend...there are endless opportunities to go to university in this country......and no,..
I am a little busy this morning, so I didn't read the article..
Is that what the Law Society is doing?
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Forcing students to sign a piece of paper stating they won't have sex under penalty of being expelled, that's a total violation of rights.
I'll also add that I have great respect for the people who fought and died so I can do things like vote.
just to correct one point....we do not have separation of church and state in Canada...as a matter of fact the Catholic school system was/is enshrined in the constitution and established across canada.....it was a demand of Quebec agreeing to join confederation in 1867......christian charter schools are available in many provinces as well....again, students are not forced to sign anything.....if they want to attend TWU then they must sign a pledge.......no one is forcing them to attend...there are endless opportunities to go to university in this country......and no,..
I am a little busy this morning, so I didn't read the article..
Is that what the Law Society is doing?
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yes the law societies in Ontario and Nova scotia say they will not recognize law degrees from TWU and it seems the law society of BC is now bowing to the gay lobby and `reviewing`. whether to grant TWU a law program or not.....once again fascism rears it`s ugly head
*note change above i meant accredited university
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just to correct one point....we do not have separation of church and state in Canada...as a matter of fact the Catholic school system was/is enshrined in the constitution and established across canada.....it was a demand of Quebec agreeing to join confederation in 1867......christian charter schools are available in many provinces as well....again, students are not forced to sign anything.....if they want to attend TWU then they must sign a pledge.......no one is forcing them to attend...there are endless opportunities to go to university in this country......and no,..
I am a little busy this morning, so I didn't read the article..
Is that what the Law Society is doing?
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yes the law societies in Ontario and Nova scotia say they will not recognize law degrees from TWU and it seems the law society of BC is now bowing to the gay lobby and `reviewing`. whether to grant TWU a law program or not.....once again fascism rears it`s ugly head
*note change above i meant accredited university
I will read it when I get home tonight Obvious Li.
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just to correct one point....we do not have separation of church and state in Canada...as a matter of fact the Catholic school system was/is enshrined in the constitution and established across canada.....it was a demand of Quebec agreeing to join confederation in 1867......christian charter schools are available in many provinces as well....again, students are not forced to sign anything.....if they want to attend TWU then they must sign a pledge.......no one is forcing them to attend...there are endless opportunities to go to university in this country......and no,.. law societies cannot pick and chose which degrees from which CANADIAN university they will accept.......TWU will end up suing them and win...but it is silly to have to do that and a clear violation of religious rights in canada....which, by the way are guaranteed under the charter you love so much....gay rights are not.
Yes, you're right. Sorry, my bad. We have freedom of religion, which these days has been translated to no religions.
Regardless, forcing students to sign a contract saying they won't have sex is still wrong. No where in the bible does it straight out state that premarital sex is a sin.
It will be interesting to see how this plays out.
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Because dictating what adults can and can't to do in their personal lives isn't fascism.
Criticizing intolerance isn't intolerance. Defending people's rights isn't intolerance. Religious freedom does not allow discrimination.
Here's how silly the rule is: any student could have premarital sex every day and the university would never know. Yet a woman who's showing pregnancy would be kicked out.
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just to correct one point....we do not have separation of church and state in Canada...as a matter of fact the Catholic school system was/is enshrined in the constitution and established across canada.....it was a demand of Quebec agreeing to join confederation in 1867......christian charter schools are available in many provinces as well....again, students are not forced to sign anything.....if they want to attend TWU then they must sign a pledge.......no one is forcing them to attend...there are endless opportunities to go to university in this country......and no,.. law societies cannot pick and chose which degrees from which CANADIAN university they will accept.......TWU will end up suing them and win...but it is silly to have to do that and a clear violation of religious rights in canada....which, by the way are guaranteed under the charter you love so much....gay rights are not.
Yes, you're right. Sorry, my bad. We have freedom of religion, which these days has been translated to no religions.
Regardless, forcing students to sign a contract saying they won't have sex is still wrong. No where in the bible does it straight out state that premarital sex is a sin.
It will be interesting to see how this plays out.
Prying into the private lives of adults is silly. However, as OL said nobody is forcing anyone to attend a Christian uni. If these contracts are too intrusive(and it is intrusive), then go to another university. It's not like it's TWU or nothing .
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Because dictating what adults can and can't to do in their personal lives isn't fascism.
Criticizing intolerance isn't intolerance. Defending people's rights isn't intolerance. Religious freedom does not allow discrimination.
Here's how silly the rule is: any student could have premarital sex every day and the university would never know. Yet a woman who's showing pregnancy would be kicked out.
i'm not going t argue with you homy....we have been to the dance too many times......i will however point out the following:
ALL universities have rules regarding codes of conduct for perspective or attending students...they are expected to abide by these rules or be suspended or discharged.....students, including many many christian students, accept these rules or they go somewhere else....TWU is no different ...it expects students attending there abide by their codes of conduct.....do you think it is easy for christian or jewish students to attend any of the other secular universities in canada which promote, the gay lifestyle, abortion, jewish apartheid, discrimination etc etc.....however, they realize it is the price they have to pay to attend....i haven't seen them trying to force the govt. to shut down the university or pressuring the law societies into not recognizing a law degree from a university promoting anti semitism and jewish apartheid....you lefties are really fucked up
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Because dictating what adults can and can't to do in their personal lives isn't fascism.
Criticizing intolerance isn't intolerance. Defending people's rights isn't intolerance. Religious freedom does not allow discrimination.
Here's how silly the rule is: any student could have premarital sex every day and the university would never know. Yet a woman who's showing pregnancy would be kicked out.
i'm not going t argue with you homy....we have been to the dance too many times......i will however point out the following:
ALL universities have rules regarding codes of conduct for perspective or attending students...they are expected to abide by these rules or be suspended or discharged.....students, including many many christian students, accept these rules or they go somewhere else....TWU is no different ...it expects students attending there abide by their codes of conduct.....do you think it is easy for christian or jewish students to attend any of the other secular universities in canada which promote, the gay lifestyle, abortion, jewish apartheid, discrimination etc etc.....however,
This isn't even worth arguing about. You don't like TWU's rules, find a uni that fits your lifestyle. It really isn't that difficult to find one....NEXT!!
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ALL universities have rules dictating what adults can and can't do in their personal lives? No, they do not.
Secular universities do not promote gay lifestyle, abortion etc. Ridiculous.
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we/i rest my case
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Regardless, forcing students to sign a contract saying they won't have sex is still wrong.
It will be interesting to see how this plays out.
There is no specific prohibition in the Bible against sex between an unmarried man and unmarried woman..
But, "sexual immorality" is denounced in about 25 passages in the New Testament..
The word translated as "sexual immorality" or "fornication" in English versions of the Bible is the Greek word porneia, which means "illicit sexual intercourse."
1 Corinthians 7:1-2
1 Corinthians 7:8-9
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Homero/lefties = 0
we/i rest my case
WTF was i thinking:
Obvious Li/Shen Li = 4837
Homero/Lefties = 0
that's more accurate
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Homero/lefties = 0
we/i rest my case
WTF was i thinking:
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that's more accurate
Why would anyone be surprised that a Christian university has biblical standards?
Because it's a university, Fash, not a chaperone service.
Let TWU's biblical standards pertain to academe, not to what a student can or cannot do with his or her genitals while studying there.
This is an intrusion into an individual's private life by an institution that, by definition, has no authority over the private lives of its students or how these students choose to "manage" their own sexuality.
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Let TWU's biblical standards pertain to academe, not to what a student can or cannot do with his or her genitals.
It is a Christian university with a statement of faith much like a church.
http://twu.ca/divisions/hr/employee/documents/statement-of-faith.pdf
Sexual morality is clearly defined in scripture, so we should not be surprised that it is in Trinity Western's code of conduct.
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There is no specific prohibition in the Bible against sex between an unmarried man and unmarried woman..
But, "sexual immorality" is denounced in about 25 passages in the New Testament..
The word translated as "sexual immorality" or "fornication" in English versions of the Bible is the Greek word porneia, which means "illicit sexual intercourse."
1 Corinthians 7:1-2
1 Corinthians 7:8-9
I've seen that before, Fash. Gonna have to say, it's way too vague for my tastes.
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There is no specific prohibition in the Bible against sex between an unmarried man and unmarried woman..
But, "sexual immorality" is denounced in about 25 passages in the New Testament..
The word translated as "sexual immorality" or "fornication" in English versions of the Bible is the Greek word porneia, which means "illicit sexual intercourse."
1 Corinthians 7:1-2
1 Corinthians 7:8-9
I've seen that before, Fash. Gonna have to say, it's way too vague for my tastes.
That's fine ghost..
It is consistent with the biblical view of sexual purity though..
Believers accept it which is why a Christian university would have biblical standards.
Hebrews 13:4
These no sex contracts must be symbolic. The compliance rate is probably in the single digits. Gary Joak would be able to keep the no sex pledge, but not many other people.
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This was the first I heard of Trinity Western's morality contracts..
It does not surprise me though for a Christian institute to enforce biblical standards..
The people that go there are adults attending on their own free will.
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This was the first I heard of Trinity Western's morality contracts..
It does not surprise me though for a Christian institute to enforce biblical standards..
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sorry Fash.......that's not good enough for the busybodies.....free will is only ok if it agrees with their point of view..... dissent, even private dissent must be quashed at all costs.....you have a lot to learn grasshopper.... :geek:
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The students accuse the university for suspending them without hearing them out reports The New Vision. However, Godwin Kiiza, the Dean of Students, maintains that the students who were suspended were admitted as single students and they are not supposed to be engaged in a sexual immorality, that is, sex before marriage.
"Some students who go against our rules first face a disciplinary committee and if the committee finds them guilty of being of pregnant, they are suspended," he is reported to have said.
"Only six girls were pregnant and the rest had other problems and most of them were forgiven and allowed back to school," the university's Public relations officer, Reuben Twinomujuni, said.
//http://news.ugo.co.ug/ucu-expels-26-pregnant-students/
"Guilty" of being pregnant?
So only the women who become pregnant get expelled, and anyone else engaging in premarital sex doesn't have a thing to worry about.
Pregnancy and motherhood shouldn't be criminalized.
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The students accuse the university for suspending them without hearing them out reports The New Vision. However, Godwin Kiiza, the Dean of Students, maintains that the students who were suspended were admitted as single students and they are not supposed to be engaged in a sexual immorality, that is, sex before marriage.
"Some students who go against our rules first face a disciplinary committee and if the committee finds them guilty of being of pregnant, they are suspended," he is reported to have said.
"Only six girls were pregnant and the rest had other problems and most of them were forgiven and allowed back to school," the university's Public relations officer, Reuben Twinomujuni, said.
//http://news.ugo.co.ug/ucu-expels-26-pregnant-students/
"Guilty" of being pregnant?
So only the women who become pregnant get expelled, and anyone else engaging in premarital sex doesn't have a thing to worry about.
Pregnancy and motherhood shouldn't be criminalized.
I don't see where you can call this criminalization.
It's Uganda FFS. If they were truly "criminalized" I wouldn't be surprised to see the applied penalties to be accompanied by a stroke of the machete in a place like that.
So stop bitching, it could be a lot worse. Millions of people each year in Africa die of hunger, civil war, famine and disease and you are wringing your hands over a few pregnant women being expelled from a Christian school? Priorities skewed much??????
I wonder if it was an Islamic school, would you even mention it?
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The students accuse the university for suspending them without hearing them out reports The New Vision. However, Godwin Kiiza, the Dean of Students, maintains that the students who were suspended were admitted as single students and they are not supposed to be engaged in a sexual immorality, that is, sex before marriage.
"Some students who go against our rules first face a disciplinary committee and if the committee finds them guilty of being of pregnant, they are suspended," he is reported to have said.
"Only six girls were pregnant and the rest had other problems and most of them were forgiven and allowed back to school," the university's Public relations officer, Reuben Twinomujuni, said.
//http://news.ugo.co.ug/ucu-expels-26-pregnant-students/
"Guilty" of being pregnant?
So only the women who become pregnant get expelled, and anyone else engaging in premarital sex doesn't have a thing to worry about.
Pregnancy and motherhood shouldn't be criminalized.
I don't see where you can call this criminalization.
It's Uganda FFS. If they were truly "criminalized" I wouldn't be surprised to see the applied penalties to be accompanied by a stroke of the machete in a place like that.
So stop bitching, it could be a lot worse. Millions of people each year in Africa die of hunger, civil war, famine and disease and you are wringing your hands over a few pregnant women being expelled from a Christian school? Priorities skewed much??????
I wonder if it was an Islamic school, would you even mention it?
I totally agree Renee. In a country as fucked up as Uganda, getting kicked out of a religious school ranks right up there with static cling.
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It's the exact same rule. If someone were found to be pregnant at Trinity Western, they would also be expelled.
I wouldn't approve if it was an Islamic school either. I'm against criminalizing pregnancy. Anyone who has premarital sex can easily get away with it no problem, but anyone who becomes pregnant gets kicked out and loses their education and career.
I've also read that in the US, many teachers in religious schools and universities have been fired for becoming pregnant. Again, anyone else can have all the premarital sex they want but you'll be ostracized and punished for becoming a mother. Does that seem fair?
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It's the exact same rule. If someone were found to be pregnant at Trinity Western, they would also be expelled.
I wouldn't approve if it was an Islamic school either. I'm against criminalizing pregnancy. Anyone who has premarital sex can easily get away with it no problem, but anyone who gets pregnant gets kicked out and loses their education and career.
I've also read that in the US, many teachers in religious schools and universities have been fired for becoming pregnant. Again, anyone else can have all the premarital sex they want but you'll be ostracized and punished for becoming a mother. Does that seem fair?
Nobody is forcing anyone to attend Trinity. People attend Trinity because to study in a bible thumping environment. They are well aware of what the institution stands for and they are NOT kids. Instead of trying to change religious people's values, how about just not applying to a Muzzy or xtian school if it conflicts with your values. I know that's what I would do.
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This was the first I heard of Trinity Western's morality contracts..
It does not surprise me though for a Christian institute to enforce biblical standards..
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sorry Fash.......that's not good enough for the busybodies.....free will is only ok if it agrees with their point of view..... dissent, even private dissent must be quashed at all costs.....you have a lot to learn grasshopper.... :geek:
I don't fucking get this; a bible thumper school enforcing bible thumping dogma. What a fucking shock??
I don't like religion either which is why I wouldn't expect to go there and get them to conform to my atheism. That is no different than a Muslim student going to York refusing to interact with female students and profs. Find a good Islamic school in the M.E.......or Europe! :lol:
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It's the exact same rule. If someone were found to be pregnant at Trinity Western, they would also be expelled.
I wouldn't approve if it was an Islamic school either. I'm against criminalizing pregnancy. Anyone who has premarital sex can easily get away with it no problem, but anyone who gets pregnant gets kicked out and loses their education and career.
I've also read that in the US, many teachers in religious schools and universities have been fired for becoming pregnant. Again, anyone else can have all the premarital sex they want but you'll be ostracized and punished for becoming a mother. Does that seem fair?
Nobody is forcing anyone to attend Trinity. People attend Trinity because to study in a bible thumping environment. They are well aware of what the institution stands for and they are NOT kids. Instead of trying to change religious people's values, how about just not applying to a Muzzy or xtian school if it conflicts with your values. I know that's what I would do.
what she ^^^^ said...for gods sake leave the bible thumpers alone....read the TWU rules before applying...if you don't like them and have no intention of following them then apply somewhere else.....it is such a simple concept for the average person to understand...but virtually impossible for the average progressive to understand...these dumb fucks are just wired wrong.... :ugeek:
But the rule wouldn't actually apply to everyone having premarital sex. They wouldn't admit it, so they wouldn't be caught. Only women who become pregnant would be expelled.
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those that exceed the speed limit and get caught.....pay a fine......the rest just continue on speeding until they get caught........or not...... :ugeek:
I'd think getting kicked out of Trinity Western would be a badge of honour haha
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they wouldn't accept your application...they can smell a busy body a mile away.;....try the local YWCA.. :shock:
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If you are not a bible believing Christian then yes it would be..
I would consider being kicked out of a secular feminist organization a badge of honour..
But, I would never join such an organization with values that are the opposite of my own in the first place.
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They could lie and produce a fake marriage certificate..
But, if one is lying and engaging in sex outside of the bonds of marriage why are they attending a Christian university in the first place?
There are secular places of learning where that is permitted.
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If you are not a bible believing Christian then yes it would be..
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But, I would never join such an organization with values that are the opposite of my own in the first place.
you go girl........maybe there is hope for you yet...hahahaahahahaahaha....go fash go.. :D
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But, I would never join such an organization with values that are the opposite of my own in the first place.
you go girl........maybe there is hope for you yet...hahahaahahahaahaha....go fash go.. :D
I am not trying to be provocative Obvious Li..
But I do have values I will not compromise for anyone.
It should be noted who it is politically correct to hate, make fun of etc.... by your bleeding heart liberal lefties.
1 Christians and especially born again Christians. It is of almost mandatory for the supposedly tolerant lefties to hate and make fun of them.
2 Blondes and to a lesser degree redheads. Blonde jokes are not considered discriminatory at all and everybody is supposed to laugh at them no matter how unfunny the joke is. In an IQ test I do believe that most blondes would outshine most of the blonde joke tellers.
3 W.A.S.P's and especially the men and of them especially the blonde ones. For example Italians are off limits to criticism and any jokes about them must be followed by outrage.
4 Anybody who takes a stand on what is right and what is wrong. As satan says "do what you want. " Every bad thing must be tolerated by noble tolerance
Quote from: "Gary Oak"
1 Christians and especially born again Christians. It is of almost mandatory for the supposedly tolerant lefties to hate and make fun of them.
2 Blondes and to a lesser degree redheads. Blonde jokes are not considered discriminatory at all and everybody is supposed to laugh at them no matter how unfunny the joke is. In an IQ test I do believe that most blondes would outshine most of the blonde joke tellers.
3 W.A.S.P's and especially the men and of them especially the blonde ones. For example
4 Anybody who takes a stand on what is right and what is wrong. As satan says "do what you want. " Every bad thing must be tolerated by noble tolerance
That's news to me.
Quote from: "Gary Oak"
1 Christians and especially born again Christians. It is of almost mandatory for the supposedly tolerant lefties to hate and make fun of them.
2 Blondes and to a lesser degree redheads. Blonde jokes are not considered discriminatory at all and everybody is supposed to laugh at them no matter how unfunny the joke is. In an IQ test I do believe that most blondes would outshine most of the blonde joke tellers.
3 W.A.S.P's and especially the men and of them especially the blonde ones. For example Italians are off limits to criticism and any jokes about them must be followed by outrage.
4 Anybody who takes a stand on what is right and what is wrong. As satan says "do what you want. " Every bad thing must be tolerated by noble tolerance
Because a person with Gary Oak's character would never, never ever hate or make fun of anyone.
Quote from: "Romero"
Quote from: "Gary Oak"
1 Christians and especially born again Christians. It is of almost mandatory for the supposedly tolerant lefties to hate and make fun of them.
2 Blondes and to a lesser degree redheads. Blonde jokes are not considered discriminatory at all and everybody is supposed to laugh at them no matter how unfunny the joke is. In an IQ test I do believe that most blondes would outshine most of the blonde joke tellers.
3 W.A.S.P's and especially the men and of them especially the blonde ones. For example Italians are off limits to criticism and any jokes about them must be followed by outrage.
4 Anybody who takes a stand on what is right and what is wrong. As satan says "do what you want. " Every bad thing must be tolerated by noble tolerance
Because a person with Gary Oak's character would never, never ever hate or make fun of anyone.
A sore loser would say the gloves were rigged after getting their ass kicked by a superior athlete. He'd never hold a grudge against all Asian guys because of something like that.
The gloves werer rigged and I kicked his ass in spite of this. Of course the Chinese judges all gave the Chinese guy the decision but the audience was British and they weren't impressed. You love that a Canadian got cheated by Chinese being a typically racist as fuck Chinese male however they got it confirmed that the gloves were rigged and lost massive face. A friend of a Chinese cop told me that they culprits have no face [ now ] This is another case of losing being being better than winning :D and it also exposes for everybody to see what you people are like. I will be telling this story for the rest of my life. Canadians are appalled when they find out what you guys are like.
How the fuck did yet another thread turn into Oak's biggest disappointment in life?
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One person insults another and then
Quote from: "Romero"
Good video Romero..
Some adults are as childish as Southpark children.