Title: I think the government is trying to kill OH
Post by: Dove on February 23, 2023, 01:39:42 PM
Post by: Dove on February 23, 2023, 01:39:42 PM
Weird crazy shit.
Title: Re: I think the government is trying to kill OH
Post by: Trump’s Niece on February 23, 2023, 01:43:02 PM
Post by: Trump’s Niece on February 23, 2023, 01:43:02 PM
Title: Re: I think the government is trying to kill OH
Post by: Dove on February 23, 2023, 01:47:20 PM
Post by: Dove on February 23, 2023, 01:47:20 PM
It reminds of Chernobyl. How Russia lied to the public until the US satellites detected the radiation.
A movie called White Noise released on Netflix is about a train derailment causing a chemical explosion in E Palestine OH
What the fuck.
Title: Re: I think the government is trying to kill OH
Post by: Dove on February 23, 2023, 01:49:24 PM
Post by: Dove on February 23, 2023, 01:49:24 PM
Title: Re: I think the government is trying to kill OH
Post by: Herman on February 23, 2023, 01:55:15 PM
Post by: Herman on February 23, 2023, 01:55:15 PM
It reminds of Chernobyl. How Russia lied to the public until the US satellites detected the radiation.
A movie called White Noise released on Netflix is about a train derailment causing a chemical explosion in E Palestine OH
What the fuck.
I will watch that too. After South Park.
Title: Re: I think the government is trying to kill OH
Post by: Herman on February 23, 2023, 02:45:03 PM
Post by: Herman on February 23, 2023, 02:45:03 PM
Title: Re: I think the government is trying to kill OH
Post by: Frood on February 23, 2023, 02:48:00 PM
Post by: Frood on February 23, 2023, 02:48:00 PM
Title: Re: I think the government is trying to kill OH
Post by: Shen Li on February 23, 2023, 10:15:26 PM
Post by: Shen Li on February 23, 2023, 10:15:26 PM
Title: Re: I think the government is trying to kill OH
Post by: Biggie Smiles on February 23, 2023, 10:45:28 PM
Post by: Biggie Smiles on February 23, 2023, 10:45:28 PM
Title: Re: I think the government is trying to kill OH
Post by: Shen Li on February 23, 2023, 10:57:37 PM
Post by: Shen Li on February 23, 2023, 10:57:37 PM
Is this another example of systemic racism at work?
Isn't everything in the US blamed on systemic racism or the climate crisis.
Title: Re: I think the government is trying to kill OH
Post by: Biggie Smiles on February 23, 2023, 11:07:46 PM
Post by: Biggie Smiles on February 23, 2023, 11:07:46 PM
Is this another example of systemic racism at work?
Isn't everything in the US blamed on systemic racism or the climate crisis.
Pretty much
Racism and Trump. Which are pretty much the same with those morons
Title: Re: I think the government is trying to kill OH
Post by: Shen Li on February 23, 2023, 11:10:57 PM
Post by: Shen Li on February 23, 2023, 11:10:57 PM
Isn't everything in the US blamed on systemic racism or the climate crisis.
Pretty much
Racism and Trump. Which are pretty much the same with those morons
Canadian voters aren't much brighter.
Title: Re: I think the government is trying to kill OH
Post by: Frood on February 23, 2023, 11:28:08 PM
Post by: Frood on February 23, 2023, 11:28:08 PM
Title: Re: I think the government is trying to kill OH
Post by: Berry Sweet on February 24, 2023, 01:16:07 AM
Post by: Berry Sweet on February 24, 2023, 01:16:07 AM
Is this another example of systemic racism at work?
Isn't everything in the US blamed on systemic racism or the climate crisis.
In Canada they put a tax on it....apparently taxing everything is gonna save the world
Title: Re: I think the government is trying to kill OH
Post by: Frood on February 24, 2023, 01:22:44 AM
Post by: Frood on February 24, 2023, 01:22:44 AM
Title: Re: I think the government is trying to kill OH
Post by: weebles on February 24, 2023, 03:41:40 AM
Post by: weebles on February 24, 2023, 03:41:40 AM
Title: Re: I think the government is trying to kill OH
Post by: Frood on February 24, 2023, 03:47:32 AM
Post by: Frood on February 24, 2023, 03:47:32 AM
I think y'all just shook the fook up..Running scared eh?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ITkRcCdxRM8
You're a coward and I wouldn't spare precious water if I encountered you in the Simpson, Sahara, or Atacama.
Title: Re: I think the government is trying to kill OH
Post by: Anonymous on February 24, 2023, 06:59:22 AM
Post by: Anonymous on February 24, 2023, 06:59:22 AM
Title: Re: I think the government is trying to kill OH
Post by: Frood on February 24, 2023, 07:04:51 AM
Post by: Frood on February 24, 2023, 07:04:51 AM
(And long after I consumed a bottle of white lightning as he lit a fag in his stupid mouth)
Title: Re: I think the government is trying to kill OH
Post by: Anonymous on February 24, 2023, 07:13:26 AM
Post by: Anonymous on February 24, 2023, 07:13:26 AM
Title: Re: I think the government is trying to kill OH
Post by: caskur on February 24, 2023, 09:15:53 AM
Post by: caskur on February 24, 2023, 09:15:53 AM
people should be jailed over this.....
Title: Re: I think the government is trying to kill OH
Post by: caskur on February 24, 2023, 09:16:35 AM
Post by: caskur on February 24, 2023, 09:16:35 AM
Title: Re: I think the government is trying to kill OH
Post by: Dove on February 24, 2023, 09:29:18 AM
Post by: Dove on February 24, 2023, 09:29:18 AM
Awesome.
Title: Re: I think the government is trying to kill OH
Post by: DKG on February 24, 2023, 10:35:07 AM
Post by: DKG on February 24, 2023, 10:35:07 AM
I am worried about my dam, Serpentine Dam. Alcoa has done too much bauxsite mining too close to it and if we have a very heavy rain, the run off into our major drinking water encatchment would pollute our drinking water....
people should be jailed over this.....
It could possibly get into lakes, rivers, and the ocean, but it shouldn't get into water that goes to homes.
Title: Re: I think the government is trying to kill OH
Post by: Anonymous on February 24, 2023, 11:36:38 AM
Post by: Anonymous on February 24, 2023, 11:36:38 AM
I am worried about my dam, Serpentine Dam. Alcoa has done too much bauxsite mining too close to it and if we have a very heavy rain, the run off into our major drinking water encatchment would pollute our drinking water....
people should be jailed over this.....
It could possibly get into lakes, rivers, and the ocean, but it shouldn't get into water that goes to homes.
If it's in the lakes and rivers, that doesn't leave a lot of sources to draw clean water for homes. All the Australian capitals water supplies are tainted to some degree because of willful mismanagement. Caskur and Bricktop's cities happen to be two of the worse affected. Granted it's not as dire as that faced by East Palestine residents and their neighbours, but still...
It was estimated that two thirds of the underground aquifers in Perth were unfit for human consumption two decades ago. Now the government there are saying they need to up the usage of ground water to 50% in the coming years. I've got money on the authorities redefining what is considered "healthy" and "potable" in order for them to achieve their goals. Caskur would be well advised to invest in a point of consumption water filter if she hasn't already done so, potentially a point of entry filter as well if she wants to avoid poisoning her garden and washing her clothes in the liquified chemical shit set to be pumped about her city.
Title: Re: I think the government is trying to kill OH
Post by: Blazor on February 24, 2023, 11:41:58 AM
Post by: Blazor on February 24, 2023, 11:41:58 AM
Besides Bill Gates, they have been buying up all that land out West.
Makes ya wonder.
Our food was already under attack, now its gotten worse, and is now including the water.
Btw, when this derailment happened, a few days later me and some friends all developed migraines, that lasted a week. My throat is also sensitive to chemicals, and it was irritated for 5 days as well.
Title: Re: I think the government is trying to kill OH
Post by: DKG on February 24, 2023, 11:52:22 AM
Post by: DKG on February 24, 2023, 11:52:22 AM
Notice how the media keeps saying "Norfolk Southern", and not Vanguard, Blackrock, or JP Morgan.
Besides Bill Gates, they have been buying up all that land out West.
Makes ya wonder.
Our food was already under attack, now its gotten worse, and is now including the water.
Btw, when this derailment happened, a few days later me and some friends all developed migraines, that lasted a week. My throat is also sensitive to chemicals, and it was irritated for 5 days as well.
What has Vanguard, Blackrock, JP Morgan or Bill Gates have to do with a derailment that was caused by human error.
Title: Re: I think the government is trying to kill OH
Post by: Oliver Clotheshoffe on February 24, 2023, 01:56:56 PM
Post by: Oliver Clotheshoffe on February 24, 2023, 01:56:56 PM
Title: Re: I think the government is trying to kill OH
Post by: Blazor on February 24, 2023, 03:04:09 PM
Post by: Blazor on February 24, 2023, 03:04:09 PM
Notice how the media keeps saying "Norfolk Southern", and not Vanguard, Blackrock, or JP Morgan.
Besides Bill Gates, they have been buying up all that land out West.
Makes ya wonder.
Our food was already under attack, now its gotten worse, and is now including the water.
Btw, when this derailment happened, a few days later me and some friends all developed migraines, that lasted a week. My throat is also sensitive to chemicals, and it was irritated for 5 days as well.
What has Vanguard, Blackrock, JP Morgan or Bill Gates have to do with a derailment that was caused by human error.
Everything. Put Biden on that list too.
Title: Re: I think the government is trying to kill OH
Post by: Shen Li on February 24, 2023, 03:16:32 PM
Post by: Shen Li on February 24, 2023, 03:16:32 PM
What has Vanguard, Blackrock, JP Morgan or Bill Gates have to do with a derailment that was caused by human error.
Everything. Put Biden on that list too.
Huh?? My Dad was a division engineer for CN when we first came to Canada. Derailments happen everyday across North America. Most are minor and happen in yards. Canada has more derailments than the US in winter due to pull-aparts(contraction). The US has more in the summer due to track buckling(heat expansion).
The derailment in Ohio was not caused by either of these. However, it was caused by people not doing their jobs. If what I'm hearing is true, that the hot box detector failed to send messages to the conductor and hoghead, then signals maintainers did not do their inspections/maintenance. If the hot box detector did send messages to the train crew, it's their fault for not stopping. The latter is the more likely cause. We've had at least one derailment because of this in Canada, but the cars that derailed were not carrying dangerous goods.
I don't like any of the companies and people you mentioned, but they didn't derail this train. It was employees of NS that fucked up. Blaming Trump for cancelling expensive braking systems would not have kept cars between the rails. Blaming Biden's libtard paymasters would not have done anything either.
Title: Re: I think the government is trying to kill OH
Post by: Anonymous on February 24, 2023, 05:22:16 PM
Post by: Anonymous on February 24, 2023, 05:22:16 PM
Everything. Put Biden on that list too.
Huh?? My Dad was a division engineer for CN when we first came to Canada. Derailments happen everyday across North America. Most are minor and happen in yards. Canada has more derailments than the US in winter due to pull-aparts(contraction). The US has more in the summer due to track buckling(heat expansion).
The derailment in Ohio was not caused by either of these. However, it was caused by people not doing their jobs. If what I'm hearing is true, that the hot box detector failed to send messages to the conductor and hoghead, then signals maintainers did not do their inspections/maintenance. If the hot box detector did send messages to the train crew, it's their fault for not stopping. The latter is the more likely cause. We've had at least one derailment because of this in Canada, but the cars that derailed were not carrying dangerous goods.
I don't like any of the companies and people you mentioned, but they didn't derail this train. It was employees of NS that fucked up. Blaming Trump for cancelling expensive braking systems would not have kept cars between the rails. Blaming Biden's libtard paymasters would not have done anything either.
All valid points, but then so was training Derek Chauvin how to restrain fentanyl addicts. I seem to recall that going south rather quickly for all concerned too. I'm not saying "don't hold the employees accountable"; we should hold them accountable for their part in it, along with anyone who may have encouraged or even coerced them in to that course of action.
Right up to the CEO level if appropriate. If the job is to get a bunch of dangerous chemical from A to B on substandard rail lines unfit for the purpose, improperly disposing of any spills that might occur, it kind of suggests there's plenty of culpability to go around.
Title: Re: I think the government is trying to kill OH
Post by: Anonymous on February 24, 2023, 06:44:45 PM
Post by: Anonymous on February 24, 2023, 06:44:45 PM
Huh?? My Dad was a division engineer for CN when we first came to Canada. Derailments happen everyday across North America. Most are minor and happen in yards. Canada has more derailments than the US in winter due to pull-aparts(contraction). The US has more in the summer due to track buckling(heat expansion).
The derailment in Ohio was not caused by either of these. However, it was caused by people not doing their jobs. If what I'm hearing is true, that the hot box detector failed to send messages to the conductor and hoghead, then signals maintainers did not do their inspections/maintenance. If the hot box detector did send messages to the train crew, it's their fault for not stopping. The latter is the more likely cause. We've had at least one derailment because of this in Canada, but the cars that derailed were not carrying dangerous goods.
I don't like any of the companies and people you mentioned, but they didn't derail this train. It was employees of NS that fucked up. Blaming Trump for cancelling expensive braking systems would not have kept cars between the rails. Blaming Biden's libtard paymasters would not have done anything either.
All valid points, but then so was training Derek Chauvin how to restrain fentanyl addicts. I seem to recall that going south rather quickly for all concerned too. I'm not saying "don't hold the employees accountable"; we should hold them accountable for their part in it, along with anyone who may have encouraged or even coerced them in to that course of action.
Right up to the CEO level if appropriate. If the job is to get a bunch of dangerous chemical from A to B on substandard rail lines unfit for the purpose, improperly disposing of any spills that might occur, it kind of suggests there's plenty of culpability to go around.
If the tracks that train derailed on were substandard that also means people were not doing their jobs. In Canada, Transport Canada is the agency that mandates how all tracks must be built and maintained according to frequency and weight of loads going over them. In the States, The Federal Railroad Administration (FRA) looks after that.
It is not federal agents in Canada or the States that travel the tracks in hi-rail trucks looking for defects. That is the job of STI's(supervisors of track inspection) in both countries. STI's are employed by all class one railways. Trains hauling a certain number of cars carrying dangerous goods require an inspoection within four hours of the train travelling on the same tracks. If any defect is discovered including as little as two missing bolts in one joint bar, the train is delayed and a section crew is immediately dispatched to fix the problem. Only after the section foreman signs off that the job is complete is the train allowed to continue on it's trip.
None of that matters because the NS train did not derail due to faulty tracks. Much like Lac Megantic tragedy in Quebec, this tragedy occurred because running trades employees did not do their jobs. No amount of new regulations can fix a problem caused by employees not following old regulations.
Title: Re: I think the government is trying to kill OH
Post by: Anonymous on February 24, 2023, 07:47:18 PM
Post by: Anonymous on February 24, 2023, 07:47:18 PM
All valid points, but then so was training Derek Chauvin how to restrain fentanyl addicts. I seem to recall that going south rather quickly for all concerned too. I'm not saying "don't hold the employees accountable"; we should hold them accountable for their part in it, along with anyone who may have encouraged or even coerced them in to that course of action.
Right up to the CEO level if appropriate. If the job is to get a bunch of dangerous chemical from A to B on substandard rail lines unfit for the purpose, improperly disposing of any spills that might occur, it kind of suggests there's plenty of culpability to go around.
If the tracks that train derailed on were substandard that also means people were not doing their jobs. In Canada, Transport Canada is the agency that mandates how all tracks must be built and maintained according to frequency and weight of loads going over them. In the States, The Federal Railroad Administration (FRA) looks after that.
It is not federal agents in Canada or the States that travel the tracks in hi-rail trucks looking for defects. That is the job of STI's(supervisors of track inspection) in both countries. STI's are employed by all class one railways. Trains hauling a certain number of cars carrying dangerous goods require an inspoection within four hours of the train travelling on the same tracks. If any defect is discovered including as little as two missing bolts in one joint bar, the train is delayed and a section crew is immediately dispatched to fix the problem. Only after the section foreman signs off that the job is complete is the train allowed to continue on it's trip.
None of that matters because the NS train did not derail due to faulty tracks. Much like Lac Megantic tragedy in Quebec, this tragedy occurred because running trades employees did not do their jobs. No amount of new regulations can fix a problem caused by employees not following old regulations.
Dude, again; all vaild points, yet I feel like I'm going to have to reaffirm what I said before. By all means, prosecute and appropriately punish the workers for their failure to adhere to safety first. And yes, supervisors as well, they allowed it to happen. HR for not hiring more competent/qualified staff, upper management for not providing the requisite oversight to ensure protocol was followed under pain of whatever (garnished wages, suspension et al before it got to this pass).
Right now the only accountability on the table is offering up a few sacrificial lambs lambs. A good start, but with the admission that trains are derailing all the time, it is abundantly clear (to me at least, I should hope you as well) that there are problems that need addressing elsewhere in the chain. And that goes for the decision to conduct the impromptu burnoff off the spilled chemicals with little or no thought to the effect it might have past getting the line reopened too.
I'm smelling a "profit margin" excuse on offer here, hence the desire to pin the tail on the donkeys downstairs and heaven forbid we look any further. Not that I'm expecting holding all responsible to account is going to make much difference to the people and wildlife of East Palestine and everything downstream of it, but if the best you can manage out of this are a couple of operators and a supervisor or two, there is ZERO incentive for businesses to tidy up their act and every reason to expect these "accidents" to keep on happening.
Potentially at the cost of what you eat, drink and breathe, my friend. That's your stake in this and I imagine it is one that is compelling for you if you stop to consider it. If you have family, you might want to advocate on their behalf too, because shutting the gate after the horse has bolted fixes nothing. You
My advice? Don't rely on the government to do it for you, they are by and large inefficient structures who'll write a bunch of bullshit legalese and tax you up the yin-yang for a job half-assed. Just saying.
Title: Re: I think the government is trying to kill OH
Post by: Herman on February 24, 2023, 11:25:54 PM
Post by: Herman on February 24, 2023, 11:25:54 PM
This Ohio accident reminds me of Deepwater Horizon. There was all kinds of shit excuses about profits over safery, and more regulations would have prevented it. But, if BOP shut in procedures were followed it would not have happened. We can point fingers all we want, but sometimes workers do not follow rules one hundred percent of the time. What prog politicians think new rules four, five, and six will be followed when rules one, two, and three are ignored.
Title: Re: I think the government is trying to kill OH
Post by: caskur on February 25, 2023, 02:15:49 AM
Post by: caskur on February 25, 2023, 02:15:49 AM
It could possibly get into lakes, rivers, and the ocean, but it shouldn't get into water that goes to homes.
If it's in the lakes and rivers, that doesn't leave a lot of sources to draw clean water for homes. All the Australian capitals water supplies are tainted to some degree because of willful mismanagement. Caskur and Bricktop's cities happen to be two of the worse affected. Granted it's not as dire as that faced by East Palestine residents and their neighbours, but still...
It was estimated that two thirds of the underground aquifers in Perth were unfit for human consumption two decades ago. Now the government there are saying they need to up the usage of ground water to 50% in the coming years. I've got money on the authorities redefining what is considered "healthy" and "potable" in order for them to achieve their goals. Caskur would be well advised to invest in a point of consumption water filter if she hasn't already done so, potentially a point of entry filter as well if she wants to avoid poisoning her garden and washing her clothes in the liquified chemical shit set to be pumped about her city.
we don't drink ground water and we have 2 desalinators and a 3rd one being built.
We have 4 big dams servicing Perth, and of those, of which is Mundaring, services Kalgoorlie as well... Our dams are Mundaring, Canning, Wungon, Serpentine....
We will invest in a rainwater tank.
And I am sure WA water is better than drinking stinking muddy water from NSW floods....christ knows whats in that?
you are always trying to knock WA,... the richest state that pays your dole.... you are not a WA expert.
Ps... no fresh water on the planet is fit for human consumption.... it all has to be treated before drinking..... duh.
Title: Re: I think the government is trying to kill OH
Post by: Frood on February 25, 2023, 02:24:10 AM
Post by: Frood on February 25, 2023, 02:24:10 AM
East Palestine residents and Virgina/Maryland residents are now finding that out.
This is worse than Chernobyl or Fukushima...
At least nuclear materials have a half life.
Title: Re: I think the government is trying to kill OH
Post by: Frood on February 25, 2023, 02:41:59 AM
Post by: Frood on February 25, 2023, 02:41:59 AM
Are we getting it yet, people?
Everything is burning up
Food plants, petro plants, food manufacturing/warehousing, et cetera...
This has been going on for awhile now.
They are taking back all the gains the last couple of hundred years have given us "common" people.
No fuel, no food, no fertilisers, no products.... we will own nothing and we will worship our new global government overlords... or perish.
I say.... fuck that. I will always find a way out of their shit-leading.
Title: Re: I think the government is trying to kill OH
Post by: caskur on February 25, 2023, 02:44:05 AM
Post by: caskur on February 25, 2023, 02:44:05 AM
Title: Re: I think the government is trying to kill OH
Post by: caskur on February 25, 2023, 02:46:53 AM
Post by: caskur on February 25, 2023, 02:46:53 AM
Rainwater/snow are the first things that toxic and persistent chemicals which were intentionally lit on fire get a free ride on...
East Palestine residents and Virgina/Maryland residents are now finding that out.
This is worse than Chernobyl or Fukushima...
At least nuclear materials have a half life.
We get our clean air straight off the Indian Ocean.... people on Ohio are landlocked.... ie fucked
Title: Re: I think the government is trying to kill OH
Post by: Frood on February 25, 2023, 02:53:43 AM
Post by: Frood on February 25, 2023, 02:53:43 AM
Rainwater/snow are the first things that toxic and persistent chemicals which were intentionally lit on fire get a free ride on...
East Palestine residents and Virgina/Maryland residents are now finding that out.
This is worse than Chernobyl or Fukushima...
At least nuclear materials have a half life.
We get our clean air straight off the Indian Ocean.... people on Ohio are landlocked.... ie fucked
And if a manufacturing or storage plant in your area goes up, will it simply blow to your neighbours, or will it become embedded in in the agricultural products which you eat and recirculate in your town?
These chemicals lit on fire in Ohio... Vinyl Chlorides and many others... they don't lesson in severity over our lifetimes... and in fact get taken up in plants which are eaten by livestock which are eaten by us.
Getting a rainwater tank won't do much if anything...
Title: Re: I think the government is trying to kill OH
Post by: caskur on February 25, 2023, 02:57:25 AM
Post by: caskur on February 25, 2023, 02:57:25 AM
3 fires in Mexican petro units (1 of which was based in Texas) break out in one day....
Are we getting it yet, people?
Everything is burning up
Food plants, petro plants, food manufacturing/warehousing, et cetera...
This has been going on for awhile now.
They are taking back all the gains the last couple of hundred years have given us "common" people.
No fuel, no food, no fertilisers, no products.... we will own nothing and we will worship our new global government overlords... or perish.
I say.... fuck that. I will always find a way out of their shit-leading.
Everything ages, hence crumbles...all your American highrises are doing that right this minute.... a grass hut looks like a livable dwelling atm.
Title: Re: I think the government is trying to kill OH
Post by: Frood on February 25, 2023, 03:22:29 AM
Post by: Frood on February 25, 2023, 03:22:29 AM
3 fires in Mexican petro units (1 of which was based in Texas) break out in one day....
Are we getting it yet, people?
Everything is burning up
Food plants, petro plants, food manufacturing/warehousing, et cetera...
This has been going on for awhile now.
They are taking back all the gains the last couple of hundred years have given us "common" people.
No fuel, no food, no fertilisers, no products.... we will own nothing and we will worship our new global government overlords... or perish.
I say.... fuck that. I will always find a way out of their shit-leading.
Everything ages, hence crumbles...all your American highrises are doing that right this minute.... a grass hut looks like a livable dwelling atm.
You're being nationalistic wise, an obtuse person.
Same way you once announced that Aussie meat pies were the best in the world despite not ever visiting the UK or elsewhere to sample others.
New and old stuff are going up in flames atm and in a never seen before rate.
It's a controlled demolition.... totally intentional...
Title: Re: I think the government is trying to kill OH
Post by: caskur on February 25, 2023, 04:38:54 AM
Post by: caskur on February 25, 2023, 04:38:54 AM
If things are going up it'll be wogs burning their businesses down for the insurance money.
my cousin and 5 of her 6 kids are relocating to NSW.... one is staying to go to John Curtin High....
I'm not happy they going.....
Title: Re: I think the government is trying to kill OH
Post by: Frood on February 26, 2023, 12:43:38 AM
Post by: Frood on February 26, 2023, 12:43:38 AM
I definitely am a one eyed WA person, colour me guilty.
If things are going up it'll be wogs burning their businesses down for the insurance money.
my cousin and 5 of her 6 kids are relocating to NSW.... one is staying to go to John Curtin High....
I'm not happy they going.....
These aren't small businesses going up... they're extremely large companies losing an asset or having it hobbled indefinitely.
Title: Re: I think the government is trying to kill OH
Post by: caskur on February 26, 2023, 08:35:58 AM
Post by: caskur on February 26, 2023, 08:35:58 AM
I definitely am a one eyed WA person, colour me guilty.
If things are going up it'll be wogs burning their businesses down for the insurance money.
my cousin and 5 of her 6 kids are relocating to NSW.... one is staying to go to John Curtin High....
I'm not happy they going.....
These aren't small businesses going up... they're extremely large companies losing an asset or having it hobbled indefinitely.
They are lighting up plenty of businesses in WA at the moment... serious criminal activity going on that is for sure.
Yesterday a recycled paper place...
I want to track them down and disable them.
Title: Re: I think the government is trying to kill OH
Post by: Herman on February 26, 2023, 01:40:37 PM
Post by: Herman on February 26, 2023, 01:40:37 PM
I definitely am a one eyed WA person, colour me guilty.
If things are going up it'll be wogs burning their businesses down for the insurance money.
my cousin and 5 of her 6 kids are relocating to NSW.... one is staying to go to John Curtin High....
I'm not happy they going.....
Kid, be honest. Wouldn't you rather live on a canola farm in Saskatchewan.
Title: Re: I think the government is trying to kill OH
Post by: caskur on February 26, 2023, 03:16:04 PM
Post by: caskur on February 26, 2023, 03:16:04 PM
seen my latest vid of paradise?
Title: Re: I think the government is trying to kill OH
Post by: Herman on February 26, 2023, 06:19:25 PM
Post by: Herman on February 26, 2023, 06:19:25 PM
Title: Re: I think the government is trying to kill OH
Post by: Blazor on February 27, 2023, 11:46:20 AM
Post by: Blazor on February 27, 2023, 11:46:20 AM
Everything. Put Biden on that list too.
Huh?? My Dad was a division engineer for CN when we first came to Canada. Derailments happen everyday across North America. Most are minor and happen in yards. Canada has more derailments than the US in winter due to pull-aparts(contraction). The US has more in the summer due to track buckling(heat expansion).
The derailment in Ohio was not caused by either of these. However, it was caused by people not doing their jobs. If what I'm hearing is true, that the hot box detector failed to send messages to the conductor and hoghead, then signals maintainers did not do their inspections/maintenance. If the hot box detector did send messages to the train crew, it's their fault for not stopping. The latter is the more likely cause. We've had at least one derailment because of this in Canada, but the cars that derailed were not carrying dangerous goods.
I don't like any of the companies and people you mentioned, but they didn't derail this train. It was employees of NS that fucked up. Blaming Trump for cancelling expensive braking systems would not have kept cars between the rails. Blaming Biden's libtard paymasters would not have done anything either.
I get all that Shen, understandable. I even use to do advertising for train brake parts and such, so I know about these things.
Was it human error, more than likely. But we have to also look at how it got to that point. The rail strike, Biden didnt wanna hear it. The railroad folk's biggest complaint, was that they were understaffed. Cant do a job properly if understaffed. Was this orchestrated? Highly possible. Short the staff, cause accidents that cripple the nation, in come Globohomo to "fix things".
This is why I think the media likes to say Norfolk Southern, instead of Vanguard or Blackrock. Those companies are known for driving other companies into the ground. Profit as much as possible, then let it die. Plus not mentioning those companies, keeps folks from researching those companies and the shady shit they doing.
Also, Blackrock and Vanguard been buying up a bunch of land out West, along with Bill Gates. Has to be a reason why.
I also find it odd, that the train was on fire for several miles, before pulling into a town, where a major water source is. PLUS a movie about it!!!!
I cant stand these fucks, take me to China with you when you go lol.
Title: Re: I think the government is trying to kill OH
Post by: Blazor on February 27, 2023, 11:47:57 AM
Post by: Blazor on February 27, 2023, 11:47:57 AM
3 fires in Mexican petro units (1 of which was based in Texas) break out in one day....
Are we getting it yet, people?
Everything is burning up
Food plants, petro plants, food manufacturing/warehousing, et cetera...
This has been going on for awhile now.
They are taking back all the gains the last couple of hundred years have given us "common" people.
No fuel, no food, no fertilisers, no products.... we will own nothing and we will worship our new global government overlords... or perish.
I say.... fuck that. I will always find a way out of their shit-leading.
I been talking about this too, but no one is paying attention
Title: Re: I think the government is trying to kill OH
Post by: Oliver Clotheshoffe on February 28, 2023, 02:15:56 PM
Post by: Oliver Clotheshoffe on February 28, 2023, 02:15:56 PM
Title: Re: I think the government is trying to kill OH
Post by: Shen Li on February 28, 2023, 02:47:06 PM
Post by: Shen Li on February 28, 2023, 02:47:06 PM
Huh?? My Dad was a division engineer for CN when we first came to Canada. Derailments happen everyday across North America. Most are minor and happen in yards. Canada has more derailments than the US in winter due to pull-aparts(contraction). The US has more in the summer due to track buckling(heat expansion).
The derailment in Ohio was not caused by either of these. However, it was caused by people not doing their jobs. If what I'm hearing is true, that the hot box detector failed to send messages to the conductor and hoghead, then signals maintainers did not do their inspections/maintenance. If the hot box detector did send messages to the train crew, it's their fault for not stopping. The latter is the more likely cause. We've had at least one derailment because of this in Canada, but the cars that derailed were not carrying dangerous goods.
I don't like any of the companies and people you mentioned, but they didn't derail this train. It was employees of NS that fucked up. Blaming Trump for cancelling expensive braking systems would not have kept cars between the rails. Blaming Biden's libtard paymasters would not have done anything either.
I get all that Shen, understandable. I even use to do advertising for train brake parts and such, so I know about these things.
Was it human error, more than likely. But we have to also look at how it got to that point. The rail strike, Biden didnt wanna hear it. The railroad folk's biggest complaint, was that they were understaffed. Cant do a job properly if understaffed. Was this orchestrated? Highly possible. Short the staff, cause accidents that cripple the nation, in come Globohomo to "fix things".
This is why I think the media likes to say Norfolk Southern, instead of Vanguard or Blackrock. Those companies are known for driving other companies into the ground. Profit as much as possible, then let it die. Plus not mentioning those companies, keeps folks from researching those companies and the shady shit they doing.
Also, Blackrock and Vanguard been buying up a bunch of land out West, along with Bill Gates. Has to be a reason why.
I also find it odd, that the train was on fire for several miles, before pulling into a town, where a major water source is. PLUS a movie about it!!!!
I cant stand these fucks, take me to China with you when you go lol.
I don't think you get it. If you did, you'd know the conductor and the hoghead ignored 2 hot box detector warnings. That is cardinal rule violation under CROR rules and I'm sure the US too. They were supposed to bring the train to a controlled stop, but they didn't.
Like almost all derailments this occurred because rail employees didn't follow rules. Not a lack of expensive train brakes and not because Blackrock is buying everything in sight.
Title: Re: I think the government is trying to kill OH
Post by: Odinson on February 28, 2023, 06:13:28 PM
Post by: Odinson on February 28, 2023, 06:13:28 PM
Title: Re: I think the government is trying to kill OH
Post by: Frood on March 01, 2023, 02:38:35 AM
Post by: Frood on March 01, 2023, 02:38:35 AM
I get all that Shen, understandable. I even use to do advertising for train brake parts and such, so I know about these things.
Was it human error, more than likely. But we have to also look at how it got to that point. The rail strike, Biden didnt wanna hear it. The railroad folk's biggest complaint, was that they were understaffed. Cant do a job properly if understaffed. Was this orchestrated? Highly possible. Short the staff, cause accidents that cripple the nation, in come Globohomo to "fix things".
This is why I think the media likes to say Norfolk Southern, instead of Vanguard or Blackrock. Those companies are known for driving other companies into the ground. Profit as much as possible, then let it die. Plus not mentioning those companies, keeps folks from researching those companies and the shady shit they doing.
Also, Blackrock and Vanguard been buying up a bunch of land out West, along with Bill Gates. Has to be a reason why.
I also find it odd, that the train was on fire for several miles, before pulling into a town, where a major water source is. PLUS a movie about it!!!!
I cant stand these fucks, take me to China with you when you go lol.
I don't think you get it. If you did, you'd know the conductor and the hoghead ignored 2 hot box detector warnings. That is cardinal rule violation under CROR rules and I'm sure the US too. They were supposed to bring the train to a controlled stop, but they didn't.
Like almost all derailments this occurred because rail employees didn't follow rules. Not a lack of expensive train brakes and not because Blackrock is buying everything in sight.
It's easy to sabotage shit when you can blame it on a few blue collar workers.
I'd like to see what they have to say about this shit on record.
Unless they've died suddenly.
Title: Re: I think the government is trying to kill OH
Post by: DKG on March 01, 2023, 07:42:46 AM
Post by: DKG on March 01, 2023, 07:42:46 AM
I don't think you get it. If you did, you'd know the conductor and the hoghead ignored 2 hot box detector warnings. That is cardinal rule violation under CROR rules and I'm sure the US too. They were supposed to bring the train to a controlled stop, but they didn't.
Like almost all derailments this occurred because rail employees didn't follow rules. Not a lack of expensive train brakes and not because Blackrock is buying everything in sight.
It's easy to sabotage shit when you can blame it on a few blue collar workers.
I'd like to see what they have to say about this shit on record.
Unless they've died suddenly.
It seems like the employees did it to themselves. They ignored a safety alert.
Title: Re: I think the government is trying to kill OH
Post by: Frood on March 01, 2023, 07:49:53 AM
Post by: Frood on March 01, 2023, 07:49:53 AM
It's easy to sabotage shit when you can blame it on a few blue collar workers.
I'd like to see what they have to say about this shit on record.
Unless they've died suddenly.
It seems like the employees did it to themselves. They ignored a safety alert.
Maybe.... maybe not.
Title: Re: I think the government is trying to kill OH
Post by: DKG on March 01, 2023, 08:05:27 AM
Post by: DKG on March 01, 2023, 08:05:27 AM
It seems like the employees did it to themselves. They ignored a safety alert.
Maybe.... maybe not.
I remember after Lac Megantic and the two explosive derailments in Saskatchewan, railways can pinpoint exactly what causes any derailment. So can airlines.
Title: Re: I think the government is trying to kill OH
Post by: Blazor on March 01, 2023, 11:12:22 AM
Post by: Blazor on March 01, 2023, 11:12:22 AM
I get all that Shen, understandable. I even use to do advertising for train brake parts and such, so I know about these things.
Was it human error, more than likely. But we have to also look at how it got to that point. The rail strike, Biden didnt wanna hear it. The railroad folk's biggest complaint, was that they were understaffed. Cant do a job properly if understaffed. Was this orchestrated? Highly possible. Short the staff, cause accidents that cripple the nation, in come Globohomo to "fix things".
This is why I think the media likes to say Norfolk Southern, instead of Vanguard or Blackrock. Those companies are known for driving other companies into the ground. Profit as much as possible, then let it die. Plus not mentioning those companies, keeps folks from researching those companies and the shady shit they doing.
Also, Blackrock and Vanguard been buying up a bunch of land out West, along with Bill Gates. Has to be a reason why.
I also find it odd, that the train was on fire for several miles, before pulling into a town, where a major water source is. PLUS a movie about it!!!!
I cant stand these fucks, take me to China with you when you go lol.
I don't think you get it. If you did, you'd know the conductor and the hoghead ignored 2 hot box detector warnings. That is cardinal rule violation under CROR rules and I'm sure the US too. They were supposed to bring the train to a controlled stop, but they didn't.
Like almost all derailments this occurred because rail employees didn't follow rules. Not a lack of expensive train brakes and not because Blackrock is buying everything in sight.
Is that what they are saying now? That they purposely ignored warnings?
Title: Re: I think the government is trying to kill OH
Post by: Frood on March 01, 2023, 01:14:55 PM
Post by: Frood on March 01, 2023, 01:14:55 PM
Maybe.... maybe not.
I remember after Lac Megantic and the two explosive derailments in Saskatchewan, railways can pinpoint exactly what causes any derailment. So can airlines.
My my, you're a trusting sort.....
Title: Re: I think the government is trying to kill OH
Post by: Shen Li on March 01, 2023, 07:52:12 PM
Post by: Shen Li on March 01, 2023, 07:52:12 PM
It's easy to sabotage shit when you can blame it on a few blue collar workers.
I'd like to see what they have to say about this shit on record.
Unless they've died suddenly.
It seems like the employees did it to themselves. They ignored a safety alert.
They ignored 2 safety warnings. Fire their irresponsible asses.
Title: Re: I think the government is trying to kill OH
Post by: Shen Li on March 01, 2023, 08:01:28 PM
Post by: Shen Li on March 01, 2023, 08:01:28 PM
I don't think you get it. If you did, you'd know the conductor and the hoghead ignored 2 hot box detector warnings. That is cardinal rule violation under CROR rules and I'm sure the US too. They were supposed to bring the train to a controlled stop, but they didn't.
Like almost all derailments this occurred because rail employees didn't follow rules. Not a lack of expensive train brakes and not because Blackrock is buying everything in sight.
Is that what they are saying now? That they purposely ignored warnings?
Obviously you don't know what a hot box detector is and what they are used for. If the hot box detector was functional they would have had 2 previous warning that the train had a hot wheel bearing. It comes across the rail train channel and is heard by the RTC as well.
If the hot box detector didn't send warnings across the rail train channel, it was not being maintained by the signals maintainers. This is unlikely as they have regular scheduled maintenance checks plus the RTC would have caught it when the last trains went over it. Yes, they do broadcast when no overheating problems are caught.
Title: Re: I think the government is trying to kill OH
Post by: Frood on March 01, 2023, 08:02:25 PM
Post by: Frood on March 01, 2023, 08:02:25 PM
It seems like the employees did it to themselves. They ignored a safety alert.
They ignored 2 safety warnings. Fire their irresponsible asses.
We haven't heard them counter the claims.
They could be guilty or they could be framed.
Title: Re: I think the government is trying to kill OH
Post by: Herman on March 01, 2023, 09:43:48 PM
Post by: Herman on March 01, 2023, 09:43:48 PM
They ignored 2 safety warnings. Fire their irresponsible asses.
We haven't heard them counter the claims.
They could be guilty or they could be framed.
All railroads are unionized, so they will get their day in court just like the fella that didn't apply enough handbrakes that caused the deaths of forty seven people at Lac Megantic, Quebec. The final ruling on responsibility could take months.
In my old industry, we were not unionized. We got to the bottom of serious incidents quickly and canned the driller and possibly the toolpush for not following well control emergency procedures.
Just like old Blurt or Blazor, folks who don't understand the industry fail-safe measures would blame oil companies or drilling contractors for a blowout because of something that was unrelated to well shut in procedures not being followed. The blame is always the driller, then the push and possibly the consultant. Safety sensitive industries like oil and gas drilling or transporting dangerous goods on rails pay very well. But, they will not keep around guys who don't follow the most serious safety rules. Even with a union, that conductor and locomotive engineer will get some serious discipline.
Title: Re: I think the government is trying to kill OH
Post by: Frood on March 01, 2023, 09:57:48 PM
Post by: Frood on March 01, 2023, 09:57:48 PM
We haven't heard them counter the claims.
They could be guilty or they could be framed.
All railroads are unionized, so they will get their day in court just like the fella that didn't apply enough handbrakes that caused the deaths of forty seven people at Lac Megantic, Quebec. The final ruling on responsibility could take months.
In my old industry, we were not unionized. We got to the bottom of serious incidents quickly and canned the driller and possibly the toolpush for not following well control emergency procedures.
Just like old Blurt or Blazor, folks who don't understand the industry fail-safe measures would blame oil companies or drilling contractors for a blowout because of something that was unrelated to well shut in procedures not being followed. The blame is always the driller, then the push and possibly the consultant. Safety sensitive industries like oil and gas drilling or transporting dangerous goods on rails pay very well. But, they will not keep around guys who don't follow the most serious safety rules. Even with a union, that conductor and locomotive engineer will get some serious discipline.
But if an accident wasn't unintentional?
If organisations or government organisations are intentionally lighting shit on fire and derailing trains, wouldn't you want to hear every side before passing judgement?
Look... I can accept that numerous operators might not have followed protocols... but I can also accept that these people, even if they exist, are suspect one way or another, just as the official government statements.
Title: Re: I think the government is trying to kill OH
Post by: Herman on March 01, 2023, 10:27:31 PM
Post by: Herman on March 01, 2023, 10:27:31 PM
All railroads are unionized, so they will get their day in court just like the fella that didn't apply enough handbrakes that caused the deaths of forty seven people at Lac Megantic, Quebec. The final ruling on responsibility could take months.
In my old industry, we were not unionized. We got to the bottom of serious incidents quickly and canned the driller and possibly the toolpush for not following well control emergency procedures.
Just like old Blurt or Blazor, folks who don't understand the industry fail-safe measures would blame oil companies or drilling contractors for a blowout because of something that was unrelated to well shut in procedures not being followed. The blame is always the driller, then the push and possibly the consultant. Safety sensitive industries like oil and gas drilling or transporting dangerous goods on rails pay very well. But, they will not keep around guys who don't follow the most serious safety rules. Even with a union, that conductor and locomotive engineer will get some serious discipline.
But if an accident wasn't unintentional?
If organisations or government organisations are intentionally lighting shit on fire and derailing trains, wouldn't you want to hear every side before passing judgement?
Look... I can accept that numerous operators might not have followed protocols... but I can also accept that these people, even if they exist, are suspect one way or another, just as the official government statements.
What has this got to do with the train crew that disobeyed safety rules. If the train crew had followed the rules, it would have been a case of Norfolk Southern losing some money because a train came to a stop and delayed other trains. Those two guys had their minds on something else, and I am guessing the company's investigation with their union will get to the bottom of why they ignored safety warnings.
Title: Re: I think the government is trying to kill OH
Post by: Frood on March 01, 2023, 11:38:41 PM
Post by: Frood on March 01, 2023, 11:38:41 PM
Title: Re: I think the government is trying to kill OH
Post by: DKG on March 02, 2023, 08:13:30 AM
Post by: DKG on March 02, 2023, 08:13:30 AM
You've bought into a State sponsored media narrative.
Title: Re: I think the government is trying to kill OH
Post by: DKG on March 02, 2023, 08:20:50 AM
Post by: DKG on March 02, 2023, 08:20:50 AM
But if an accident wasn't unintentional?
If organisations or government organisations are intentionally lighting shit on fire and derailing trains, wouldn't you want to hear every side before passing judgement?
Look... I can accept that numerous operators might not have followed protocols... but I can also accept that these people, even if they exist, are suspect one way or another, just as the official government statements.
What has this got to do with the train crew that disobeyed safety rules. If the train crew had followed the rules, it would have been a case of Norfolk Southern losing some money because a train came to a stop and delayed other trains. Those two guys had their minds on something else, and I am guessing the company's investigation with their union will get to the bottom of why they ignored safety warnings.
I have some clients that I have had for years that are unionized heavy industry tradespeople. When an industrial accident happens it's because safety was deliberately not observed or complacency. Usually the latter. We got a conspiracy theorist in this thread who knows nothing about the rail industry babbling Blackrock and Vanguard. Like they ignored two safety warnings and caused a derailment.
Title: Re: I think the government is trying to kill OH
Post by: Blazor on March 02, 2023, 09:05:42 AM
Post by: Blazor on March 02, 2023, 09:05:42 AM
I do understand. Do I look like motherfuckin' Joe Biden? Lord I hope not!
My old job involved trains and train parts. So Im not clueless.
The point that Frood and I are trying to make, is keep an open mind, take all the facts in of things that have been happening lately, and think on it, cause all of our very lives are involved in all this bullshit and we DAMN sure cant depend on MSM and the likes telling the truth on jack shit.
Title: Re: I think the government is trying to kill OH
Post by: Frood on March 02, 2023, 11:55:23 AM
Post by: Frood on March 02, 2023, 11:55:23 AM
You've bought into a State sponsored media narrative.
:MG_216:
Laugh it up, furball.
Title: Re: I think the government is trying to kill OH
Post by: Shen Li on March 02, 2023, 05:17:48 PM
Post by: Shen Li on March 02, 2023, 05:17:48 PM
Involved with trains unless you are on track in CTC, OCS or yard tracks means nothing. It's an apples to oranges comparison. Anybody working on track is governed by CROR or it's American equivalent. You were not.
The point is that hot box detectors are there for a reason. It is fail safe technology. Either it failed to issue a warning or much more likely the running trades ignored 2 safety. Bill Gates is an asshole, but he didn't ignore 2 warnings to stop. The conductor and the hoghead did.
What you and Freud are talking about are irrelevant to a cardinal rule violation that lead to a major derailment. We all hate the same people, but again they are not responsible for the train crew's inaction. MSM is ignorant of railway operating rules as you are.
Title: Re: I think the government is trying to kill OH
Post by: Frood on March 02, 2023, 05:40:51 PM
Post by: Frood on March 02, 2023, 05:40:51 PM
@Blazor
Involved with trains unless you are on track in CTC, OCS or yard tracks means nothing. It's an apples to oranges comparison. Anybody working on track is governed by CROR or it's American equivalent. You were not.
The point is that hot box detectors are there for a reason. It is fail safe technology. Either it failed to issue a warning or much more likely the running trades ignored 2 safety. Bill Gates is an asshole, but he didn't ignore 2 warnings to stop. The conductor and the hoghead did.
What you and Freud are talking about are irrelevant to a cardinal rule violation that lead to a major derailment. We all hate the same people, but again they are not responsible for the train crew's inaction. MSM is ignorant of railway operating rules as you are.
Shush, pancake butt.
Don't misrepresent the point I was making.
Title: Re: I think the government is trying to kill OH
Post by: Anonymous on March 02, 2023, 05:53:43 PM
Post by: Anonymous on March 02, 2023, 05:53:43 PM
Sum Cunt, you are talking to a fella that has ran freight trains for over thirty years. Non railroaders do not stand much of a chance debating rail safety with old Jock.
I doubt his voluminous experience with the operation of rolling stock forbids him from recognizing a problem when it arises. This problem I have articulated, along with agreeing with a number of the points he raises
It is not his experience in the field that forbids consensus. I am no stranger to logistics myself, just because my field ran on bitumen rather than steel does not negate the salient points; namely the utter failure of a system to provide a service with little to no damage to the communities it operated in and around, along with the invitation of more of same if people continue to seek to scapegoat those at the coalface while those who put them there and demanded results without provisioning adequate training, tools and reasonable expectations of said results get off scot free.
This is a common enough problem in many fields, not simply rail transportation of dangerous chemicals. If IHJ or yourself are unwilling or flat out unable to recognize the merit of the application of transferred skills and knowledge applied from an empirical standpoint and would rather defer to cherrypicking your experts, that's no skin off my dick. It wouldn't be the first time my word has been discounted to the cost of those discounting it; there was a culture here for instance that remained in staunch support of a certain experimental treatment I and others decried when it was administered and the advice and arguments dismissed as "conspiracy theory" are slowly revealing themselves as very real conspiracy fact. Some of us get to live with the consequences of our actions, I argue it should be all of us.
This Ohio accident reminds me of Deepwater Horizon. There was all kinds of shit excuses about profits over safery, and more regulations would have prevented it. But, if BOP shut in procedures were followed it would not have happened. We can point fingers all we want, but sometimes workers do not follow rules one hundred percent of the time. What prog politicians think new rules four, five, and six will be followed when rules one, two, and three are ignored.Quote from: Herman post_id=494895 time=1677299154 user_id=3396
I did say to not rely on the government to handle it. There is already enough legislation, applying more is simple Band-Aiding and boilerplating, it does not fix the issue of shitty workers working shitty equipment, nor the shitty overseers that put that house of Lego together. Above all it does not fix the shitty overseers who are not providing the requisite oversight. As it was with BOP, so it is with the current shitfest; namely,
It did happen. Things like it happened before, more things like it will happen in future. This is a problem the entire company needs to address, simply pointing fingers at a couple of cowboys and screaming "its all their fault, they didn't follow da rooolz" doesn't cut it if all you're going to do is afford your improper vetting procedures to install fresh cowboys who will do the job in the same up-to-shit manner.
Fix it. If it eats into the profit margin to follow procedure, then too fucking bad. You do not enjoy the right to run an operation at any level that periodically taxes the health and safety of people that are not your employees.
Title: Re: I think the government is trying to kill OH
Post by: Anonymous on March 02, 2023, 06:23:43 PM
Post by: Anonymous on March 02, 2023, 06:23:43 PM
We have 2 desalination plants.... one 10 minutes south of me... they are building a third one north of the river... sum cunt is not up to date about Perth Water... he is like decades behind.... lol
I am well aware of your state's mad rush to seek new sources of fresh water to replace those it has already poisoned through years of mismanagement and abuse. Tell me, were you aware that by exchanging your ground water reserves for a system operated at the behest of your government, you have effectively set the scene to make yourself their slave? Everyone needs water... what happens when they turn yours off?
Ahhh, let me guess - you hadn't thought that far ahead. No biggie.
Caskur my dear, if you might put your pissing contest aside for five minutes, consider; you are at the mercy of whoever decides whatever comes out of your tap. Anything can be piped down it and you wouldn't know, not even should you start growing horns and other appendages while your organs turned to liquefied shit. Times past you might have sunk a bore hole, but most of that water is poison now, and it shouldn't surprise you in the slightest that you might run into a bunch of bureaucratic red tape and fees if you wished to set up a rainwater tank.
Clean water. Next to fresh air, it is THE most essential ingredient to your life. And you are entrusting that resource to someone you've never met and have no idea of their intentions.
Speaking of fresh air, want to tell me what is powering those de-sal plants? Rainbows and unicorn farts is it? The wet dreams of Greta von Doomsburg perhaps? I'm betting not. I'm willing to wager your "clean water" is being powered by the state electricity grid. So "coal and gas" essentially, since your state has little in the way of vast volumes of water rolling down hillsides that could turn a turbine and the last time I checked the only nuclear plant in Australia was in Lucas Heights.
Coal and gas are cleaner than solar and wind, if we factor in construction and maintanance. But if maintaining the groundwater was considered too costly or simply not relevant, why should you or anyone else consider those responsibly might do any better on the fossil fuel power front?
I'm sure some of our Californian cousins have some tales to tell. Sleep tight.
Title: Re: I think the government is trying to kill OH
Post by: Blazor on March 02, 2023, 06:37:58 PM
Post by: Blazor on March 02, 2023, 06:37:58 PM
@Blazor
Involved with trains unless you are on track in CTC, OCS or yard tracks means nothing. It's an apples to oranges comparison. Anybody working on track is governed by CROR or it's American equivalent. You were not.
The point is that hot box detectors are there for a reason. It is fail safe technology. Either it failed to issue a warning or much more likely the running trades ignored 2 safety. Bill Gates is an asshole, but he didn't ignore 2 warnings to stop. The conductor and the hoghead did.
What you and Freud are talking about are irrelevant to a cardinal rule violation that lead to a major derailment. We all hate the same people, but again they are not responsible for the train crew's inaction. MSM is ignorant of railway operating rules as you are.
I still dont think you understand either.
If they ignored warnings, they are liable, plain and simple, I get that. But if they refute it, then surely something more sinister is at play.
All Im saying, is I highly doubt this is a simple open/shut case, where a couple conductors ignored some warnings on purpose. Keep an open mind about all this, is all Frood and I are sayin'. WAY too many unusual things going on with this one.... my Blaze senses are tingling off the charts
Title: Re: I think the government is trying to kill OH
Post by: Blazor on March 02, 2023, 06:38:56 PM
Post by: Blazor on March 02, 2023, 06:38:56 PM
@Blazor
Involved with trains unless you are on track in CTC, OCS or yard tracks means nothing. It's an apples to oranges comparison. Anybody working on track is governed by CROR or it's American equivalent. You were not.
The point is that hot box detectors are there for a reason. It is fail safe technology. Either it failed to issue a warning or much more likely the running trades ignored 2 safety. Bill Gates is an asshole, but he didn't ignore 2 warnings to stop. The conductor and the hoghead did.
What you and Freud are talking about are irrelevant to a cardinal rule violation that lead to a major derailment. We all hate the same people, but again they are not responsible for the train crew's inaction. MSM is ignorant of railway operating rules as you are.
Shush, pancake butt.
Don't misrepresent the point I was making.
This is interesting, a train car was there several months before the incident......
Title: Re: I think the government is trying to kill OH
Post by: Blazor on March 02, 2023, 08:08:44 PM
Post by: Blazor on March 02, 2023, 08:08:44 PM
Surely a couple conductors that ignored warnings didnt do that too?
Title: Re: I think the government is trying to kill OH
Post by: Frood on March 02, 2023, 08:20:21 PM
Post by: Frood on March 02, 2023, 08:20:21 PM
Title: Re: I think the government is trying to kill OH
Post by: Herman on March 02, 2023, 08:23:55 PM
Post by: Herman on March 02, 2023, 08:23:55 PM
And why did the CDC just update the effects of the chemical a month ago?
Surely a couple conductors that ignored warnings didnt do that too?
This has got nothing with why cars went on the ground. You keep confusing the derailment with unrelated things.
Title: Re: I think the government is trying to kill OH
Post by: Anonymous on March 02, 2023, 09:03:31 PM
Post by: Anonymous on March 02, 2023, 09:03:31 PM
But if an accident wasn't unintentional?
If organisations or government organisations are intentionally lighting shit on fire and derailing trains, wouldn't you want to hear every side before passing judgement?
Look... I can accept that numerous operators might not have followed protocols... but I can also accept that these people, even if they exist, are suspect one way or another, just as the official government statements.
What has this got to do with the train crew that disobeyed safety rules. If the train crew had followed the rules, it would have been a case of Norfolk Southern losing some money because a train came to a stop and delayed other trains.
The spill was intentionally lit on fire, the reason offered was to get the lines open again as quickly as possible. That's the docemented reason, and the clearest indicator we have that someone was willing to cut whatever corners they could to keep the money rolling in.
Not a train engineer's call I don't think, and while I agree the train staff should shoulder blame for their part in the derailment and subsequent poisoning of the countryside and its inhabitants, it is abundantly clear they were encouraged if not coerced into ignoring safety protocols.
Clear thinking... do they even teach that in schools any more?
Title: Re: I think the government is trying to kill OH
Post by: Odinson on March 02, 2023, 09:24:36 PM
Post by: Odinson on March 02, 2023, 09:24:36 PM
They were near their destination and they were thinking that its gonna hold until then.
Title: Re: I think the government is trying to kill OH
Post by: Anonymous on March 02, 2023, 10:51:44 PM
Post by: Anonymous on March 02, 2023, 10:51:44 PM
The cart was burning 20 miles before the derailment.
They were near their destination and they were thinking that its gonna hold until then.
That's because they blew past the hot box detectors without stopping. If they had stopped after the first detector's warning, nobody would have heard of East Palestine.
The NTSB report stated the train was traveling at less the maximum authorized speed before the derailment.
This is from the NTSB's preliminary report.
Now we know the hot bearing detectors along the track, three of them, were all working right before the train derailed in East Palestine. According to the NTSB, the three detectors caught an overheated wheel bearing and provided real-time warnings to the crew of the train.Quote
At the first detector they examined, the wheel bearing from the 23rd car had a recorded temperature of 38 degrees above the outside air temperature.
At the next detector, the bearing's recorded temperature was up to 103 degrees. And at the third detector, the bearing was 253 degrees above ambient temperature.
Norfolk-Southern has alarm thresholds for overheating like this.
Between 170 and 200 degrees, rail workers are to stop and inspect the train. And if the bearing is greater than 200 degrees, which it was at the last detector, they are to "set out the railcar" which means it needs to be set aside for repairs.
According to the NTSB, the hot bearing detector at the last point before the derailment transmitted a critical alarm instructing the crew to slow and stop the train to inspect a hot axle.
The question is whether the train ignored the transmitted warnings or were they told by their direct supervisor to ignore the warning. That will come out in the future. A trainmaster or a train crew will be fired.
Title: Re: I think the government is trying to kill OH
Post by: Anonymous on March 02, 2023, 11:13:13 PM
Post by: Anonymous on March 02, 2023, 11:13:13 PM
What has this got to do with the train crew that disobeyed safety rules. If the train crew had followed the rules, it would have been a case of Norfolk Southern losing some money because a train came to a stop and delayed other trains.
The spill was intentionally lit on fire, the reason offered was to get the lines open again as quickly as possible. That's the docemented reason, and the clearest indicator we have that someone was willing to cut whatever corners they could to keep the money rolling in.
Not a train engineer's call I don't think, and while I agree the train staff should shoulder blame for their part in the derailment and subsequent poisoning of the countryside and its inhabitants, it is abundantly clear they were encouraged if not coerced into ignoring safety protocols.
Clear thinking... do they even teach that in schools any more?
A call like that is not in any unionized railway employees' responsibilities. But, what Herm is getting at is the train crew is responsible for the derailment. Without the derailment there is no fire. At CP and CN, hot box detectors and dragging equipment are covered under the Canadian Rail Operating Rules inspections portion. This is a quote, When, an overheated bearing or other defect is suspected by other than an HBD inspection,
item 22.0:
• stop the train immediately, and
• make a close inspection.
The inspection is done by the conductor as he is responsible for the train and the hoghead is responsible for the power(locomotives).
What we are hearing at CP is that the train crew will do statements, but a trainmaster and a general superintendent could be the employees looking for new jobs. If it is revealed they told the train crew to ignore the first two warnings, they could face criminal charges as well as being terminated.
Title: Re: I think the government is trying to kill OH
Post by: Anonymous on March 03, 2023, 03:09:53 AM
Post by: Anonymous on March 03, 2023, 03:09:53 AM
The spill was intentionally lit on fire, the reason offered was to get the lines open again as quickly as possible. That's the docemented reason, and the clearest indicator we have that someone was willing to cut whatever corners they could to keep the money rolling in.
Not a train engineer's call I don't think, and while I agree the train staff should shoulder blame for their part in the derailment and subsequent poisoning of the countryside and its inhabitants, it is abundantly clear they were encouraged if not coerced into ignoring safety protocols.
Clear thinking... do they even teach that in schools any more?
A call like that is not in any unionized railway employees' responsibilities. But, what Herm is getting at is the train crew is responsible for the derailment. Without the derailment there is no fire. At CP and CN, hot box detectors and dragging equipment are covered under the Canadian Rail Operating Rules inspections portion. This is a quote, When, an overheated bearing or other defect is suspected by other than an HBD inspection,
item 22.0:
• stop the train immediately, and
• make a close inspection.
The inspection is done by the conductor as he is responsible for the train and the hoghead is responsible for the power(locomotives).
What we are hearing at CP is that the train crew will do statements, but a trainmaster and a general superintendent could be the employees looking for new jobs. If it is revealed they told the train crew to ignore the first two warnings, they could face criminal charges as well as being terminated.
So you're fine with the people who employed them getting off scot free, I get that. You've made it abundantly clear that you think all the responsibility rests with the train operator, and that anyone in a higher position is utterly exempt from any recourse, even should they coerce the aforementioned operator under threat of negative performance review, their job or anything else we might care to name. These people are utterly beyond reproach and are at perfect liberty to employ any random yahoo they like and metaphorically whip them into cutting any and all corners, safe in the knowledge that when things fuck up, it's the operator's ass on the line, not the management, yes?
This is where I'd announce "don't call us, we'll call you." And file your job application in the round file the minute you were out the door.
Title: Re: I think the government is trying to kill OH
Post by: Blazor on March 03, 2023, 11:43:25 AM
Post by: Blazor on March 03, 2023, 11:43:25 AM
And why did the CDC just update the effects of the chemical a month ago?
Surely a couple conductors that ignored warnings didnt do that too?
This has got nothing with why cars went on the ground. You keep confusing the derailment with unrelated things.
Keep an open mind brother. Shady shit been going on for a while now. Time to "put your glasses on". "Could" be unrelated, but why the sudden change, after around 30 years of not changing it. If it smells fishy, odds are its either fishy, or its SeaQueens asshole
Title: Re: I think the government is trying to kill OH
Post by: Shen Li on March 03, 2023, 02:35:21 PM
Post by: Shen Li on March 03, 2023, 02:35:21 PM
The spill was intentionally lit on fire, the reason offered was to get the lines open again as quickly as possible. That's the docemented reason, and the clearest indicator we have that someone was willing to cut whatever corners they could to keep the money rolling in.
Not a train engineer's call I don't think, and while I agree the train staff should shoulder blame for their part in the derailment and subsequent poisoning of the countryside and its inhabitants, it is abundantly clear they were encouraged if not coerced into ignoring safety protocols.
Clear thinking... do they even teach that in schools any more?
A call like that is not in any unionized railway employees' responsibilities. But, what Herm is getting at is the train crew is responsible for the derailment. Without the derailment there is no fire. At CP and CN, hot box detectors and dragging equipment are covered under the Canadian Rail Operating Rules inspections portion. This is a quote, When, an overheated bearing or other defect is suspected by other than an HBD inspection,
item 22.0:
• stop the train immediately, and
• make a close inspection.
The inspection is done by the conductor as he is responsible for the train and the hoghead is responsible for the power(locomotives).
What we are hearing at CP is that the train crew will do statements, but a trainmaster and a general superintendent could be the employees looking for new jobs. If it is revealed they told the train crew to ignore the first two warnings, they could face criminal charges as well as being terminated.
What gets me is that this train travelled 30 miles with a hot wheel. Rule 110 in CROR states all employees doing track work are required to inspect passing trains and let the train crew know the results. There wasn't 1 assistant roadmaster, track maintenance crew or signal maintainer working for 20+ miles. That's impossible. I'm sticking with the conductor and hoghead ignored multiple warnings from more than 1 source. Can their asses.
Title: Re: I think the government is trying to kill OH
Post by: Shen Li on March 03, 2023, 02:38:13 PM
Post by: Shen Li on March 03, 2023, 02:38:13 PM
A call like that is not in any unionized railway employees' responsibilities. But, what Herm is getting at is the train crew is responsible for the derailment. Without the derailment there is no fire. At CP and CN, hot box detectors and dragging equipment are covered under the Canadian Rail Operating Rules inspections portion. This is a quote, When, an overheated bearing or other defect is suspected by other than an HBD inspection,
item 22.0:
• stop the train immediately, and
• make a close inspection.
The inspection is done by the conductor as he is responsible for the train and the hoghead is responsible for the power(locomotives).
What we are hearing at CP is that the train crew will do statements, but a trainmaster and a general superintendent could be the employees looking for new jobs. If it is revealed they told the train crew to ignore the first two warnings, they could face criminal charges as well as being terminated.
So you're fine with the people who employed them getting off scot free, I get that. You've made it abundantly clear that you think all the responsibility rests with the train operator, and that anyone in a higher position is utterly exempt from any recourse, even should they coerce the aforementioned operator under threat of negative performance review, their job or anything else we might care to name. These people are utterly beyond reproach and are at perfect liberty to employ any random yahoo they like and metaphorically whip them into cutting any and all corners, safe in the knowledge that when things fuck up, it's the operator's ass on the line, not the management, yes?
This is where I'd announce "don't call us, we'll call you." And file your job application in the round file the minute you were out the door.
So you're fine with train crews who knowingly break federal inspection rules. Expect more East Palestines and Lac Megantics.
Title: Re: I think the government is trying to kill OH
Post by: Shen Li on March 03, 2023, 02:41:25 PM
Post by: Shen Li on March 03, 2023, 02:41:25 PM
This has got nothing with why cars went on the ground. You keep confusing the derailment with unrelated things.
Keep an open mind brother. Shady shit been going on for a while now. Time to "put your glasses on". "Could" be unrelated, but why the sudden change, after around 30 years of not changing it. If it smells fishy, odds are its either fishy, or its SeaQueens asshole :
Does shady shit include cowboy running trades crews who blatantly break federal rail rules and cause deadly derailments? I know, they got a scumbag union that will protect their lazy, incompetent asses. All will be well for them.
Title: Re: I think the government is trying to kill OH
Post by: caskur on March 04, 2023, 02:23:58 AM
Post by: caskur on March 04, 2023, 02:23:58 AM
Water has ALWAYS concerned me. PERTH IS ON WATER RESTRICTIONS 365 DAYS A YEAR AND HAS BEEN FOR A DECADE.
Alcoa needs to be sued.... a bloody fucking American was their spokesperson the other night on the news... Americans don't give a shit ABOUT their own country let alone ours.
Title: Re: I think the government is trying to kill OH
Post by: Frood on March 04, 2023, 03:01:27 AM
Post by: Frood on March 04, 2023, 03:01:27 AM
Title: Re: I think the government is trying to kill OH
Post by: Anonymous on March 11, 2023, 06:26:07 PM
Post by: Anonymous on March 11, 2023, 06:26:07 PM
So you're fine with the people who employed them getting off scot free, I get that. You've made it abundantly clear that you think all the responsibility rests with the train operator, and that anyone in a higher position is utterly exempt from any recourse, even should they coerce the aforementioned operator under threat of negative performance review, their job or anything else we might care to name. These people are utterly beyond reproach and are at perfect liberty to employ any random yahoo they like and metaphorically whip them into cutting any and all corners, safe in the knowledge that when things fuck up, it's the operator's ass on the line, not the management, yes?
This is where I'd announce "don't call us, we'll call you." And file your job application in the round file the minute you were out the door.
So you're fine with train crews who knowingly break federal inspection rules. Expect more East Palestines and Lac Megantics.
No, and if you had been reading my responses you would know this already. I'm not in the business of pinning the perennial failure of a system on a succession of patsies; it is perfectly clear to me that it is more than simply rogue operators at the coalface that need to be remonstrated with. If you're too myopic to see that (and based on your inability to infer my position correctly after I'd stated it flat out multiple times I can presume you are) then it is reasonable to suggest that more patsies will be offered up in the future instead of there being a more determined effort being made to employ operators who will actually observe proper safety rules.
In short, it is precisely because of reactions such as yours and Brents that I
Title: Re: I think the government is trying to kill OH
Post by: Anonymous on March 11, 2023, 06:31:46 PM
Post by: Anonymous on March 11, 2023, 06:31:46 PM
:001_rolleyes:
I know... some people never get out of their home state. She'll be screaming blue bloody murder the minute her government decides to follow in Adelaide's footsteps on the subject of rainwater tanks.
Title: Re: I think the government is trying to kill OH
Post by: Anonymous on March 13, 2023, 10:30:44 PM
Post by: Anonymous on March 13, 2023, 10:30:44 PM
So you're fine with train crews who knowingly break federal inspection rules. Expect more East Palestines and Lac Megantics.
No, and if you had been reading my responses you would know this already. I'm not in the business of pinning the perennial failure of a system on a succession of patsies; it is perfectly clear to me that it is more than simply rogue operators at the coalface that need to be remonstrated with. If you're too myopic to see that (and based on your inability to infer my position correctly after I'd stated it flat out multiple times I can presume you are) then it is reasonable to suggest that more patsies will be offered up in the future instead of there being a more determined effort being made to employ operators who will actually observe proper safety rules.
In short, it is precisely because of reactions such as yours and Brents that Idoexpect more East Palestines and Lac Megantics. You both are insisting on treating the symptom only, whereas I advocate for treating both symptom AND cause. You have a system where "accidents" are repeatedly happening, you wish to pin all the blame on a succession of operators that break rules and apparently give a free pass to those who employ them and who in my opinion should be getting their arses handed to them AS WELL. I did say hold everyone to account for their part in the affair; I meant it.
Take a look at this link.
These are rules, not suggestions. I have to take a test every other year on these rules to maintain my license to work running trades at CP. The States has very similar federal railway rules. If you follow all 841 of these federal rules there wil never be an East Palestine or a Lac Megantic. But, people get careless and the shit hits the fan. That's why we're unionized.
Title: Re: I think the government is trying to kill OH
Post by: Shen Li on March 14, 2023, 12:05:16 AM
Post by: Shen Li on March 14, 2023, 12:05:16 AM
No, and if you had been reading my responses you would know this already. I'm not in the business of pinning the perennial failure of a system on a succession of patsies; it is perfectly clear to me that it is more than simply rogue operators at the coalface that need to be remonstrated with. If you're too myopic to see that (and based on your inability to infer my position correctly after I'd stated it flat out multiple times I can presume you are) then it is reasonable to suggest that more patsies will be offered up in the future instead of there being a more determined effort being made to employ operators who will actually observe proper safety rules.
In short, it is precisely because of reactions such as yours and Brents that Idoexpect more East Palestines and Lac Megantics. You both are insisting on treating the symptom only, whereas I advocate for treating both symptom AND cause. You have a system where "accidents" are repeatedly happening, you wish to pin all the blame on a succession of operators that break rules and apparently give a free pass to those who employ them and who in my opinion should be getting their arses handed to them AS WELL. I did say hold everyone to account for their part in the affair; I meant it.
Take a look at this link.https://tc.canada.ca/sites/default/files/2022-05/canadian-rail-operating-rules-may-9-2022.pdf
These are rules, not suggestions. I have to take a test every other year on these rules to maintain my license to work running trades at CP. The States has very similar federal railway rules. If you follow all 841 of these federal rules there wil never be an East Palestine or a Lac Megantic. But, people get careless and the shit hits the fan. That's why we're unionized.
There are actually 864 rules, but the last 23 are more for engineering crews and not running trades. Although you guys have to know them.
Title: Re: I think the government is trying to kill OH
Post by: Shen Li on March 14, 2023, 01:43:56 PM
Post by: Shen Li on March 14, 2023, 01:43:56 PM
Title: Re: I think the government is trying to kill OH
Post by: Odinson on March 14, 2023, 02:38:00 PM
Post by: Odinson on March 14, 2023, 02:38:00 PM
The senators just want to use every opportunity to make themselves look useful.
Title: Re: I think the government is trying to kill OH
Post by: Shen Li on March 14, 2023, 02:53:07 PM
Post by: Shen Li on March 14, 2023, 02:53:07 PM
None of the rules work if the crew doesnt follow them.
The senators just want to use every opportunity to make themselves look useful.
That's what I have been saying. The kneejerk reaction of the left is more rules. In the case of East Palestine and Lac Megantic existing rules weren't followed.