just one more example where "big science" turns out to be "junk science"....are you listening climate change people.........
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Margaret Wente...The Globe and Mail
Published Saturday, May. 17 2014, 8:00 AM EDT
For years, I've been trying to eat properly. You know what that means: lean meat; not too much fat; lots of fruit, vegetables and healthy whole grains. Sullenly, I embraced fibre. Reluctantly, I gave up butter and cheese. Conscientiously, I ate as much broccoli and Brussels sprouts as I could stomach. (Cruciferous vegetables are especially good for preventing cancer.)
I even tried switching to fake salt, which was awful. My dad did the same after his second heart attack. He gave up booze and fat and salt, chowed down on tasteless, skinless chicken and lived to a relatively ripe old age, griping all the way.
Here is what the latest scientific findings have to say about all that: Feh.
The science isn't settled after all. Almost everything the medical establishment, the health commissars and the nutrition nannies have been telling us for the past 60 years is just flat-out wrong.
To start with, saturated fat won't raise your cholesterol and give you heart attacks. Neither will butter or cheese. Do you hanker after a juicy marbled piece of steak? Help yourself! New research published this March in the Annals of Internal Medicine found that saturated fat doesn't cause heart disease. This, despite decades of advice that we should restrict saturated fat to as little as 5 per cent of our daily caloric intake – equivalent to about two tablespoons of butter a day.
Next, the salt wars. Salt vigilantes have been warning us for years that our habit is killing us. We consume an average of 3,400 milligrams a day, mostly through processed foods. Health Canada says we should cut back to 2,000. The American Heart Association says 1,500 – less than three-quarters of a teaspoon. Not only is this virtually impossible, it also turns out to be unnecessary, and perhaps even harmful.
A study published last October in JAMA Internal Medicine concluded: "The lack of evidence of benefit and concerns for harm suggest that low sodium intake (less than 2,300 mg/day) should not be recommended." According to Dr. Gilbert Ross of the American Council on Science and Health, anthropological studies suggest that humans are hard-wired to consume between 3,500 and 4,000 milligrams of sodium a day – about what we do now. "To try to cut it in half, or less, is both fruitless and more likely to harm than benefit," he says.
As for fruits and vegetables and all the rest: If you hate Brussels sprouts, you're in luck, because they don't do any good. As recently as 1997, leading cancer authorities told us that eating lots of fruits and veg might cut our cancer risk by more than 20 per cent. They told us to stay away from saturated fat, too. But today, decades of research into the links between nutrition and cancer have reached a dead end. As Harvard's Walter Willett, perhaps the world's leading cancer epidemiologist, told The New York Times, "Diet and cancer has turned out to be more complex and challenging than any of us expected."
What happened? How could so many people have been so wrong for so long? How did all this flawed science become the foundation for everything we thought we knew about nutrition and our health?
The answer, in a nutshell, is food politics, big egos, flawed research and heavy institutional investment in the status quo.
Science journalist Nina Teicholz is author of The Big Fat Surprise, a new book that explores the origin of the spurious link between saturated fat and heart disease. It's quite a tale. It all began in the 1950s with a brilliant self-promoter named Ancel Keys, a scientist who rose to the top of the nutrition world by arguing that saturated fats were behind the postwar explosion in heart disease. Although his research was full of holes, it quickly became dogma. Leading health authorities endorsed his diet advice. Millions of people cut back on red meat, eggs, butter and cheese, and replaced them with vegetable oils, pasta, grains, fruits and potatoes.
The results were catastrophic. Carbohydrates break down into glucose, and too many carbohydrates have unleashed an epidemic of obesity, Type 2 diabetes, and possibly heart disease. Even unrefined carbs are bad. As Ms. Teicholz wrote in The Wall Street Journal, "The reality is that fat doesn't make you fat or diabetic. Scientific investigations going back to the 1950s suggest that actually, carbs do." On top of that, she writes, there's "growing evidence that women on diets low in saturated fat actually increase their risk of having a heart attack."
As you can imagine, these findings are not welcome news to the experts and institutions that have invested so heavily in the status quo. How are they supposed to break the news to the rest of us? They also expose the awkward truth about diet and nutrition studies: that they're very, very difficult to do well. They often have so many confounding factors that the supposed link between cause and effect can be extremely shaky. And many diet studies yield results that later studies can't replicate.
None of this means the vigilantes are about to go away. Salt warrior Thomas Farley, former commissioner of health for the city of New York, still insists that sodium is killing us, and wants to impose sweeping laws and standards to reduce the threat. He's the perfect picture of a modern Puritan – a lean, ascetic type who is convinced that we are on the fast track to hellfire and damnation.
People are already highly skeptical of nutrition advice delivered from on high. They figure that whatever we're told not to eat today will probably be okay again next week. But these revelations are yet more blows to the public's faith in experts. If they can't even get this stuff right, what else are they wrong about?
So ... sorry about that, Dad. You gave up steak for nothing. As for the rest of us, here's my best advice: Eat real food that you like, but not too much. Avoid sugar and carbs. Stay hydrated. And if you go to Paris, make sure to have lots of cheese.
I dont agree OR disagree with this one bit. If you want to eat "healthy" you can do what i did. I complained to my doctor 4 years ago that i was feeling sluggish, weak and having stomach problems after some of the foods i was eating, he sent me to a dietician ( for that and for my diabetes ) Who sent me in for blood work and did some tests on food allergies, So after all the tests were done they come up with a short list (in my case) that my body was rejecting certain foods, Fish, Strawberries, Wheat , ALL Dairy etc.... The dietician come up with a "recommended" daily food intake based on my age and weight also including i had Diabetes. Best thing i ever did, no more diarrhea , i sleep better, lost a good 10 pounds.
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Eating healthy meals is always good for you Obvious Li.
Nina Teicholz is a journalist and author, not a dietitian or nutritionist. Eat more meat, butter and cheese, and cut down on carbs? She's trying to sell another Atkins diet!
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The recent Annals paper did not show that saturated fat is harmless, and it certainly didn't show that it is beneficial. It did not even suggest the latter. Is lack of harm really the new standard in healthful eating? I didn't get that memo.
No, folks -- more meat, butter and cheese will not promote your health. Neither will nonsense -- no matter where it's published.
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I don't think the expert consensus has ever said the average healthy person should completely stop eating red meat, butter and cheese. Just eat them in moderation. In fact, we've always been told by nutritional guidelines that meat, eggs and dairy are important in our diet.
We've also been told that too much will put as at risk for heart disease, which Margaret Wente hilariously agrees with before she argues against it.
"My dad did the same after his second heart attack. He gave up booze and fat and salt, chowed down on tasteless, skinless chicken and lived to a relatively ripe old age, griping all the way."
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Say what you want about the Atkins diet, but it's fucking effective.
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Nice avatar Keeper.
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Nice avatar Keeper.
It's better than that sickening avatar you used to have.
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People on Atkins can lose weight quickly, but I don't think it's healthy in the long run. It always ends up being a fad diet.
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People on Atkins can lose weight quickly, but I don't think it's healthy in the long run. It always ends up being a fad diet.
True, nothing is a substitute for healthy meals in the right proportions combined with exercise. However, like you said, if want to shed the pounds quickly Atkins can do the trick.
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Nice avatar Keeper.
Thank you Seolbro
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Nice avatar Keeper.
It's better than that sickening avatar you used to have.
do you mean the finger/nail one?
I found that for me limiting your "bad" carbs (high carb foods with refined sugars) and a liberal amount of daily exercise was the key to losing weight. For me both MUST be used in conjunction with one and another or I don't get results. This has worked for me up to a certain point. Diets can only do what your genetics allow them to do. Recent scientific studies show that genetics plays a much larger role in determining what you will weigh than was previous thought. It's pretty much a reality that not everyone can be a size 6 no matter how hard you try. Some of us are just doomed to be bigger or heavier than the average. Unfortunately thru the use of the BMI weight has become a priority over health. It is basically a blanket policy that states that if you are a normal weight you must be healthy and if you fall outside the normal range you must be unhealthy. Unfortunately the medical community has been slow to realize that this is not always the case.
Achieving a reasonable and proper level of health should be the priority for any diet you undertake and if you do your part correctly, weight loss should follow.
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Nice avatar Keeper.
It's better than that sickening avatar you used to have.
do you mean the finger/nail one?
No, not your avatars. That Cantonese seoulfag used to have a sickening avatar.
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It's better than that sickening avatar you used to have.
do you mean the finger/nail one?
No, not your avatars. That Cantonese seoulfag used to have a sickening avatar.
Are you still on about that? Get the fuck over it ffs!!
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Achieving a reasonable and proper level of health should be the priority for any diet you undertake and if you do your part correctly, weight loss should follow.
what i found over the years when i have had too much lobster and butter and can't get into my suit was to cut out the carbs and go strictly protein...meat, eggs, beans fish, peanut butter etc....no fucking bread or wheat products, rice etc......too many useless carbs......the problem is with beer.....simply cannot deny myself one of the finer pleasures of life........ :ugeek:
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Achieving a reasonable and proper level of health should be the priority for any diet you undertake and if you do your part correctly, weight loss should follow.
what i found over the years when i have had too much lobster and butter and can't get into my suit was to cut out the carbs and go strictly protein...meat, eggs, beans fish, peanut butter etc....no fucking bread or wheat products, rice etc......too many useless carbs......the problem is with beer.....simply cannot deny myself one of the finer pleasures of life........ :ugeek:
No doubt about it OL, carbs and sugars are FATTENING!!
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Achieving a reasonable and proper level of health should be the priority for any diet you undertake and if you do your part correctly, weight loss should follow.
what i found over the years when i have had too much lobster and butter and can't get into my suit was to cut out the carbs and go strictly protein...meat, eggs, beans fish, peanut butter etc....no fucking bread or wheat products, rice etc......too many useless carbs......the problem is with beer.....simply cannot deny myself one of the finer pleasures of life........ :ugeek:
No doubt about it OL, carbs and sugars are FATTENING!!
Yep, I ate way too many carbs and sugar this past weekend. In fact I almost thought I was going to have a blow out in by (fat) jeans this morning.
Time to get back on track OR......maybe I'll just buy a bigger size. :lol:
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what i found over the years when i have had too much lobster and butter and can't get into my suit was to cut out the carbs and go strictly protein...meat, eggs, beans fish, peanut butter etc....no fucking bread or wheat products, rice etc......too many useless carbs......the problem is with beer.....simply cannot deny myself one of the finer pleasures of life........ :ugeek:
No doubt about it OL, carbs and sugars are FATTENING!!
Yep, I ate way too many carbs and sugar this past weekend. In fact I almost thought I was going to have a blow out in by (fat) jeans this morning.
Time to get back on track OR......maybe I'll just buy a bigger size. :lol:
I eat a lot of rice and noodles. Less than what I had been though and I have lost some weight.
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No doubt about it OL, carbs and sugars are FATTENING!!
Yep, I ate way too many carbs and sugar this past weekend. In fact I almost thought I was going to have a blow out in by (fat) jeans this morning.
Time to get back on track OR......maybe I'll just buy a bigger size. :lol:
I eat a lot of rice and noodles. Less than what I had been though and I have lost some weight.
To be honest I've gone about as far as I can go with this diet and exercise thing. No matter what I do nothing really has a significant impact.
At this point I have two options; eat until I need a flatbed to get around or cut me open and stick in one of those gastric sleeve things. :x
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Yep, I ate way too many carbs and sugar this past weekend. In fact I almost thought I was going to have a blow out in by (fat) jeans this morning.
Time to get back on track OR......maybe I'll just buy a bigger size. :lol:
I eat a lot of rice and noodles. Less than what I had been though and I have lost some weight.
To be honest I've gone about as far as I can go with this diet and exercise thing. No matter what I do nothing really has a significant impact.
At this point I have two options; eat until I need a flatbed to get around or cut me open and stick in one of those gastric sleeve things. :x
medical intervention is pretty drastic.......need to be real sure first....and if you are healthy, happy and hubby likes a little chubbette then enjoy one of the few pleasures in life.....eating and drinking bad shit to excess.....
That does seem pretty fucking extreme. Have you considered appetite suppressants Renee?
I really hope UR kidding about this.
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I really hope UR kidding about this.
Better to ask me what I haven't considered or tried. I've been on and off diets since I was 10. I've been yo-yoing up and down the scale for literally 30 years. It's getting to the point where lap-band surgery looks like my last alternative. I've done a lot of research on it and even have some family members that have gone thru it but with mixed results. Right now I'm still too chicken to take the plunge.
Oh well, such are the trials of being a fat chick in a skinny world.
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I really hope UR kidding about this.
Better to ask me what I haven't considered or tried. I've been on and off diets since I was 10. I've been yo-yoing up and down the scale for literally 30 years. It's getting to the point where lap-band surgery looks like my last alternative. I've done a lot of research on it and even have some family members that have gone thru it but with mixed results. Right now I'm still too chicken to take the plunge.
Oh well, such are the trials of being
It seems to me that obesity is hardly a rarity in the USA. It's your life and telling adults what to do is futile. I wish you the best whatever you decide.
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I really hope UR kidding about this.
Better to ask me what I haven't considered or tried. I've been on and off diets since I was 10. I've been yo-yoing up and down the scale for literally 30 years. It's getting to the point where lap-band surgery looks like my last alternative. I've done a lot of research on it and even have some family members that have gone thru it but with mixed results. Right now I'm still too chicken to take the plunge.
Oh well, such are the trials of being
It seems to me that obesity is hardly a rarity in the USA.
Thank you, I appreciate the well wishes and I especially appreciate not being preached to, I get enough of that in RL. It seems that when you are fat or at least as fat as me, everyone has an opinion on it and they all feel compelled to express it regardless whether or not it is asked for. Your point of view on this is refreshing.
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Better to ask me what I haven't considered or tried. I've been on and off diets since I was 10. I've been yo-yoing up and down the scale for literally 30 years. It's getting to the point where lap-band surgery looks like my last alternative. I've done a lot of research on it and even have some family members that have gone thru it but with mixed results. Right now I'm still too chicken to take the plunge.
Oh well, such are the trials of being
It seems to me that obesity is hardly a rarity in the USA.
Thank you, I appreciate the well wishes and I especially appreciate not being preached to, I get enough of that in RL. It seems that when you are fat or at least as fat as me, everyone has an opinion on it and they all feel compelled to express it regardless whether or not it is asked for. Your point of view on this is refreshing.
No offense Renee, but if you don't want unsolicited advice, then why do you keep reminding us of your weight issues? I bring up my diet success/failures too, so I guess I am as guilty as anyone.
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It seems to me that obesity is hardly a rarity in the USA.
Thank you, I appreciate the well wishes and I especially appreciate not being preached to, I get enough of that in RL. It seems that when you are fat or at least as fat as me, everyone has an opinion on it and they all feel compelled to express it regardless whether or not it is asked for. Your point of view on this is refreshing.
No offense Renee, but if you don't want unsolicited advice, then why do you keep reminding us of your weight issues? I bring up my diet success/failures too, so I guess I am as guilty as anyone.
I know for me it is force of habit. For most of the women in my family it dominates our conversation because it is a driving issue in our lives. Also for women more so than men we are pressured to look a certain way and those of us that don't always conform to that look, we have a tendency to beat ourselves up over it. Some of us do it privately other are more public about it.
BTW, I feel that there is a difference between "unsolicited" advice and openly invited constructive criticism that you get from people whose opinions you value.
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I know for me it is force of habit. For most of the women in my family it dominates our conversation because it is a driving issue in our lives. Also for women more so than men we are pressured to look a certain way and those of us that don't always conform to that look, we have a tendency to beat ourselves up over it. Some of us do it privately other are more public about it.
BTW,
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Thank you, I appreciate the well wishes and I especially appreciate not being preached to, I get enough of that in RL. It seems that when you are fat or at least as fat as me, everyone has an opinion on it and they all feel compelled to express it regardless whether or not it is asked for. Your point of view on this is refreshing.
No offense Renee, but if you don't want unsolicited advice, then why do you keep reminding us of your weight issues? I bring up my diet success/failures too, so I guess I am as guilty as anyone.
I know for me it is force of habit. For most of the women in my family it dominates our conversation because it is a driving issue in our lives. Also for women more so than men we are pressured to look a certain way and those of us that don't always conform to that look, we have a tendency to beat ourselves up over it. Some of us do it privately other are more public about it.
BTW, I feel that there is a difference between "unsolicited" advice and openly invited constructive criticism that you get from people whose opinions you value.
Having grown up in a german community i can relate.....most of my relatives on dads side (male and female) are as wide and deep as they are tall....my grandmother was 5' tall probably weighed more than 300 lbs and died eating sour cream on bread at age 98...fortunately i leaned more towards my mothers skinny genes.....in any case my take on this is if you are overweight and active then they can all go fuck themselves...if you are over weight and spend all day sitting on the couch watching oprah and eating bon bons then you are a slob....see easy peasy japaneasy.....in fact the new theory is that overweight healthy people are living longer than skinny people...go figure.......mind you i still like skinny chicks...but that's just me.
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No offense Renee, but if you don't want unsolicited advice, then why do you keep reminding us of your weight issues? I bring up my diet success/failures too, so I guess I am as guilty as anyone.
I know for me it is force of habit. For most of the women in my family it dominates our conversation because it is a driving issue in our lives. Also for women more so than men we are pressured to look a certain way and those of us that don't always conform to that look, we have a tendency to beat ourselves up over it. Some of us do it privately other are more public about it.
BTW, I feel that there is a difference between "unsolicited" advice and openly invited constructive criticism that you get from people whose opinions you value.
Having grown up in a german community i can relate.....most of my relatives on dads side (male and female) are as wide and deep as they are tall....my grandmother was 5' tall probably weighed more than 300 lbs and died eating sour cream on bread at age 98...fortunately i leaned more towards my mothers skinny genes.....in any case my take on this is if you are overweight and active then they can all go fuck themselves...if you are over weight and spend all day sitting on the couch watching oprah and eating bon bons then you are a slob....see easy peasy japaneasy.....in fact the new theory is that overweight healthy people are living longer than skinny people...go figure.......mind you i still like skinny chicks...but that's just me.
I can fully relate, even at my heaviest I still tried to remain reasonably active. I wouldn't be able to sit on the couch all day and bon-bons because I would go insane. The problem is I want to remain active and I don't want to end up with bad knees and hips. I already have a bad knee from all the softball I used to play and I fear that it may become more of a problem as I get older; being overweight will just make it worse. I also don't want to end up having to ride a scooter down the potato chip aisle at Wal-Mart either. I will be mortified if that ever happens :cry:
BTW, I had a grandmother pass in a similar fashion except she went face down in the Sunday roast. She wasn't 98 either; she was in her early 70s but until her death she was active, never sick nor was she afflicted any of the ailments fat people are said to have. It was just one of those freak out of the blue things.