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A lot of bullshit involved in getting a restricted PAL eh OL?

if i told you; you would simply not believe me....and these fucks are serious.....no wonder more RCMP are getting blasted these days...sheer frustration on the part of honest citizens hassled by a bunch of snot nosed brain washed, feminized academy graduates who need to be offed for the sake of this country..... :ugeek:

Another excuse to keep tabs on us it sounds like. That and raise some revenue of course to provide snivel serpents with jobs that are unnecessary.

Quote from: "Obvious Li"the whole gun control debacle was an unmitigated disaster and still is.....gun violence in canada is almost entirely restricted to three groups..natives, native gangs and new immigrant gangs....all three groups of which are exempted from gun control....it is impossible to believe what has taken place in this country under the name of gun control.....unless you are a gun owner/person...then you have to deal with it every day.....and believe me the cons are no better than the fucking liberals that brought it in.....and don't worry blurty....bad guys don't usually fuck with people that have guns......we wish they would, but unfortunately they mostly get it that people that are unarmed are easier prey... :ugeek:

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back the fuck off....one of the results of too many immigrants is attitudes like this.......i was born with a rifle in my hand....i will die that way....don't bring your shit here.........if you don't like guns then don't use them......and by the way..don't worry when the shit hits the fan i will protect you with mine....your welcome.... :ugeek:

A lot of bullshit involved in getting a restricted PAL eh OL?

if i told you; you would simply not believe me....and these fucks are serious.....no wonder more RCMP are getting blasted these days...sheer frustration on the part of honest citizens hassled by a bunch of snot nosed brain washed, feminized academy graduates who need to be offed for the sake of this country..... :ugeek:

Quote from: "Renee"OL I would seriously like to know what is involved with getting a handgun permit in Canada; just for comparison purposes. Several of the States in the US are extremely draconian in their handgun permit policies (my original home state of NJ. being one of them) and I would like to see how they stack up compared to Canada.

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A lot of bullshit involved in getting a restricted PAL eh OL?

if i told you; you would simply not believe me....and these fucks are serious.....no wonder more RCMP are getting blasted these days...sheer frustration on the part of honest citizens hassled by a bunch of snot nosed brain washed, feminized academy graduates who need to be offed for the sake of this country..... :ugeek:

OL I would seriously like to know what is involved with getting a handgun permit in Canada; just for comparison purposes. Several of the States in the US are extremely draconian in their handgun permit policies (my original home state of NJ. being one of them) and I would like to see how they stack up compared to Canada.

Quote from: "Obvious Li"OL I would seriously like to know what is involved with getting a handgun permit in Canada; just for comparison purposes. Several of the States in the US are extremely draconian in their handgun permit policies (my original home state of NJ. being one of them) and I would like to see how they stack up compared to Canada.

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Quote from: "Obvious Li"OL I would seriously like to know what is involved with getting a handgun permit in Canada; just for comparison purposes. Several of the States in the US are extremely draconian in their handgun permit policies (my original home state of NJ. being one of them) and I would like to see how they stack up compared to Canada.

Renee..there are several issues here.....the politics of gun control....the criminality of gun control legislation and the logistics of gun control.....i will address the logistics as i think that is what you are asking about ..however, the other two categories are what are causing all the problems....



There are three categories of weapons in Canada...Non-restricted....Restricted and Prohibited ......logistically it is not extremely difficult to acquire a non-restricted (most long guns) or a restricted (handguns/semi automatic weapons) license...Prohibited is self explanatory. (automatic assault weapons etc.)



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enough for now......it make me blood boil

QuoteThank you for responding. I knew it was bad but I had no idea just how bad it was until now. Even in states like NJ, or CA where handgun and certain restricted weapons are heavily regulated it isn't nearly that draconian. In NJ for instance in order to get a handgun you must be 21 to apply for a purchasing permit at your local police department. You must submit to being finger printed, a state level background check, an FBI background check and a mental health background check. You must pay a fee for each background check for each permit you apply for. If you are clean you will be issued a purchasers permit but if the local police chief is not firearms friendly he can take his sweet ass time in issuing the approved permit. I've heard of some towns holding up approved permits for 6 months to a year. I think that is changing because a few towns were actually sued over the issue. Once issued the purchasing permit is good for I believe 90 days. When you purchase the gun you must submit to another instant background check call the NICS. It is a state and federal data base that supposedly contains all the recent criminal convictions on file. The gun dealer (FFL holder) calls into the system with your BATF application info and you get thumbs up or thumbs down. Your BTAF application is kept on file at the dealer and with the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms. If you purchase more than 2 handguns in 30 days you are flagged by the BATF and you are put on a list and restricted from buying anymore firearms for another 30 days.  Once your permit paper work is on file with BTAF you are good to go as long as you own the firearm. Transferring and selling handguns is another matter.

 

Long guns are somewhat easier unless they are classed as "assault weapons". Weapons that meet the federal and state description of an "assult weapon are forbidden. Full auto weapons have been heavily restricted since 1934. In order to own a selective fire weapon you must hold a class III tax stamp issued by the US Treasury Dept and unless you are in law enforcement it is almost impossible to obtain. The problem is the description of an assault weapon varies from state to state. In many states to purchase a long gun you need to be 18 and hold a valid firearms ID card which is issued by the state thru your local police department but you must be 21 to purchase the ammunition.  Again you must be finger printed and submit to the state, federal and mental health background checks. The ID is good for life as long as you don't change residency or address. If you move or change your address you must apply for an amended ID. Again there are fees involved anywhere from 50 to 100 dollars depending upon the state. When you purchase a long gun you must fill out all the necessary BATF applications and submit to the NICS background check.



Transporting firearms is a mixed bag. In most states they must be cased when in a car. In states like NJ, They must be secured in a place not accessible to the driver while the vehicle is in motion such as the trunk or some other form of secure lock box. Here in WA it's not much different. It's only in redneck states like Texas or Alabama that you can have an uncased gun hanging in a rack in your rear window and even then I'm not sure if it is entirely legal. I think at the very least ammo must be store separately from the gun.

 

There are tons of other rules and regulations you must adhere to as well pertaining to ammo storage and firearms transportation but they vary from state to state, which in itself is a problem. The lack of uniform laws and regulations make it dicey when a hunter or sport shooter is traveling across state lines.

 

As you can see it's not altogether a picnic in the US either but it's not nearly as bad as it is in Canada. It's hilarious that everyone up north thinks it so easy to get a gun in the US. I guess by comparason it is but it is not nearly as wide open as you are lead to believe. Many think it is like walking into the grocery store and buying a can of peas :lol: . Unfortunately that is a myth perpetrated by the leftist media, disingenuous politicians and the anti-gun special interest groups who BTW contribute considerable amounts of money to the campaigns of those anti-gun lefty politicians. Every anti-gun dunce screams about the NRA and their political clout but they never mention the political dealing that their special interest friends are doing at the same time. The difference is the majority of the special interest money that the NRA uses comes from its private membership (people like me) while the opposition relies almost solely on corporate donations and money from rich progressive social engineers like George Soros and Nanny Bloomberg and there private fully loaded PAC funds.

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Quote from: "Obvious Li"OL I would seriously like to know what is involved with getting a handgun permit in Canada; just for comparison purposes. Several of the States in the US are extremely draconian in their handgun permit policies (my original home state of NJ. being one of them) and I would like to see how they stack up compared to Canada.

Renee..there are several issues here.....the politics of gun control....the criminality of gun control legislation and the logistics of gun control.....i will address the logistics as i think that is what you are asking about ..however, the other two categories are what are causing all the problems....



There are three categories of weapons in Canada...Non-restricted....Restricted and Prohibited ......logistically it is not extremely difficult to acquire a non-restricted (most long guns) or a restricted (handguns/semi automatic weapons) license...Prohibited is self explanatory. (automatic assault weapons etc.)



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enough for now......it make me blood boil

QuoteThank you for responding. I knew it was bad but I had no idea just how bad it was until now. Even in states like NJ, or CA where handgun and certain restricted weapons are heavily regulated it isn't nearly that draconian. In NJ for instance in order to get a handgun you must be 21 to apply for a purchasing permit at your local police department. You must submit to being finger printed, a state level background check, an FBI background check and a mental health background check. You must pay a fee for each background check for each permit you apply for. If you are clean you will be issued a purchasers permit but if the local police chief is not firearms friendly he can take his sweet ass time in issuing the approved permit. I've heard of some towns holding up approved permits for 6 months to a year. I think that is changing because a few towns were actually sued over the issue. Once issued the purchasing permit is good for I believe 90 days. When you purchase the gun you must submit to another instant background check call the NICS. It is a state and federal data base that supposedly contains all the recent criminal convictions on file. The gun dealer (FFL holder) calls into the system with your BATF application info and you get thumbs up or thumbs down. Your BTAF application is kept on file at the dealer and with the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms. If you purchase more than 2 handguns in 30 days you are flagged by the BATF and you are put on a list and restricted from buying anymore firearms for another 30 days.  Once your permit paper work is on file with BTAF you are good to go as long as you own the firearm. Transferring and selling handguns is another matter.

 

Long guns are somewhat easier unless they are classed as "assault weapons". Weapons that meet the federal and state description of an "assult weapon are forbidden. Full auto weapons have been heavily restricted since 1934. In order to own a selective fire weapon you must hold a class III tax stamp issued by the US Treasury Dept and unless you are in law enforcement it is almost impossible to obtain. The problem is the description of an assault weapon varies from state to state. In many states to purchase a long gun you need to be 18 and hold a valid firearms ID card which is issued by the state thru your local police department but you must be 21 to purchase the ammunition.  Again you must be finger printed and submit to the state, federal and mental health background checks. The ID is good for life as long as you don't change residency or address. If you move or change your address you must apply for an amended ID. Again there are fees involved anywhere from 50 to 100 dollars depending upon the state. When you purchase a long gun you must fill out all the necessary BATF applications and submit to the NICS background check.



Transporting firearms is a mixed bag. In most states they must be cased when in a car. In states like NJ, They must be secured in a place not accessible to the driver while the vehicle is in motion such as the trunk or some other form of secure lock box. Here in WA it's not much different. It's only in redneck states like Texas or Alabama that you can have an uncased gun hanging in a rack in your rear window and even then I'm not sure if it is entirely legal. I think at the very least ammo must be store separately from the gun.

 

There are tons of other rules and regulations you must adhere to as well pertaining to ammo storage and firearms transportation but they vary from state to state, which in itself is a problem. The lack of uniform laws and regulations make it dicey when a hunter or sport shooter is traveling across state lines.

 

As you can see it's not altogether a picnic in the US either but it's not nearly as bad as it is in Canada. It's hilarious that everyone up north thinks it so easy to get a gun in the US. I guess by comparason it is but it is not nearly as wide open as you are lead to believe. Many think it is like walking into the grocery store and buying a can of peas :lol: . Unfortunately that is a myth perpetrated by the leftist media, disingenuous politicians and the anti-gun special interest groups who BTW contribute considerable amounts of money to the campaigns of those anti-gun lefty politicians. Every anti-gun dunce screams about the NRA and their political clout but they never mention the political dealing that their special interest friends are doing at the same time. The difference is the majority of the special interest money that the NRA uses comes from its private membership (people like me) while the opposition relies almost solely on corporate donations and money from rich progressive social engineers like George Soros and Nanny Bloomberg and there private fully loaded PAC funds.

Yeah, Canadians think it's like buying a tablet at Best Buy, myself included. Thanks for clearing that up for us Renee.