Lettuce examine the image below. This woman is surrounded by modern kitchen appliances. Her duty was to run the home, take care of the kids, etc. She did NOT have to work a regular job, since that was the husband's duty. This could all be accomplished on his wage alone.
Somehow women eventually decided that this role equates to some sort of prison sentence, and wanted to be 'free' by joining the workforce.
So now women enter the workforce, and because the market dictates wages, the market had determined, over time, that if both partners are working, they no longer need to pay a wage that will allow one income earner to run a household, provide for family, etc.
So what have women accomplished by this when all is said and done, other than turn a household from requiring one working income into requiring two? Are they freer?
It would sound to me that raising kids, and having time to cook for them would be superior to having to slave away for her new boss Mr. Shekelburg.
Is slaving away for Mr. Shekelburg really preferable to running a household?

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If we didnt work, you all would be calling us leeches and gold diggers.
:pop:
Quote from: "Erica Mena" post_id=506287 time=1688942500 user_id=2845
If we didnt work, you all would be calling us leeches and gold diggers.
:pop:
My girlfriend works.
Quote from: "Erica Mena" post_id=506287 time=1688942500 user_id=2845
If we didnt work, you all would be calling us leeches and gold diggers.
:pop:
Perhaps, but that's only because of the conditions you've created.
Quote from: "Melson Gibson" post_id=506290 time=1688942713 user_id=3397
Quote from: "Erica Mena" post_id=506287 time=1688942500 user_id=2845
If we didnt work, you all would be calling us leeches and gold diggers.
:pop:
Perhaps, but that's only because of the conditions you've created.
Aren't you the one always saying your wife took all your money? Did you not create that condition for her?
Yeah, marriage.... lol
Quote from: "Erica Mena" post_id=506294 time=1688943437 user_id=2845
Aren't you the one always saying your wife took all your money? Did you not create that condition for her?
No. She didn't take my money. We maintained separate bank accounts though, mainly because she was bad with money, but she did work so had an income.
Although I did help her pay off her debts, and was quite generous towards her when we were together, it was all for naught since she indebted herself once again the minute we separated.
Bitch even pawned off the Platinum ring I had custom made for her, most likely for pennies on the dollar, and platinum rings aren't cheap.
Quote from: "Melson Gibson" post_id=506301 time=1688943903 user_id=3397
Quote from: "Erica Mena" post_id=506294 time=1688943437 user_id=2845
Aren't you the one always saying your wife took all your money? Did you not create that condition for her?
No. She didn't take my money. We maintained separate bank accounts though, mainly because she was bad with money, but she did work so had an income.
Although I did help her pay off her debts, and was quite generous towards her when we were together, it was all for naught since she indebted herself once again the minute we separated.
Bitch even pawned off the Platinum ring I had custom made for her, most likely for pennies on the dollar, and platinum rings aren't cheap.
What was your ex's job?
Quote from: DKG post_id=506303 time=1688944137 user_id=3390
What was your ex's job?
Care aide in old folks home. That's where I met her.
Quote from: "Melson Gibson" post_id=506304 time=1688944286 user_id=3397
Quote from: DKG post_id=506303 time=1688944137 user_id=3390
What was your ex's job?
Care aide in old folks home. That's where I met her.
I assume you were there visiting a relative?
Quote from: DKG post_id=506305 time=1688944352 user_id=3390
I assume you were there visiting a relative?
Ya, we had to put my Grandmother in one unfortunately. Mentally she was fine, but physically she was deteriorating and needed more assistance than we could provide.
I would visit often.
Quote from: "Melson Gibson" post_id=506306 time=1688944517 user_id=3397
Quote from: DKG post_id=506305 time=1688944352 user_id=3390
I assume you were there visiting a relative?
Ya, we had to put my Grandmother in one unfortunately. Mentally she was fine, but physically she was deteriorating and needed more assistance than we could provide.
I would visit often.
That is kind of what I assumed.
My ex wound up in foreclosure and lost her house a few years after we divorced. Stupid cunt had to put the utilities in our sons name cause she owed the power company so much. LMFAO! Clown whore always said I was to blame for our financial woes.
Quote from: Lokmar post_id=506373 time=1688954229 user_id=3351
My ex wound up in foreclosure and lost her house a few years after we divorced. Stupid cunt had to put the utilities in our sons name cause she owed the power company so much. LMFAO! Clown whore always said I was to blame for our financial woes.
Stories like this makes me not regret never getting married.
My hubby pays the bills. I pay my phone bill, cc's and buy the kids what they need.
Separate bank accounts. It works for us.
Quote from: "Erica Mena" post_id=506382 time=1688957231 user_id=2845
My hubby pays the bills. I pay my phone bill, cc's and buy the kids what they need.
Separate bank accounts. It works for us.
That sounds like my girlfriend and I. Except she has a mortgage and I do not.
Quote from: Lokmar post_id=506373 time=1688954229 user_id=3351
My ex wound up in foreclosure and lost her house a few years after we divorced. Stupid cunt had to put the utilities in our sons name cause she owed the power company so much. LMFAO! Clown whore always said I was to blame for our financial woes.
Don't feel bad for them. My Ex ended up moving back home with her parents after she left and tried to live on her own. Women don't appreciate the same things men do, or at least my Ex didn't...
Women are like niggers, whereas they live in the now. Future is a foreign concept to them, as is the past.
I struggle to own and maintain this, and know that any female would take advantage of this. I roll solo, brother, for this reason. I WON'T be stripped of what I own, ever.

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Looks nice. Is it a farm?
Quote from: Oerdin post_id=506428 time=1688979413 user_id=3374
Looks nice. Is it a farm?
It is ALR farm status, but I don't run the property as a farm, so I don't receive the tax status break...
What is ALR? And why wouldn't you at least farm a little to get the tax break? How big is the spread and couldn't you put some livestock on it?
Quote from: Oerdin post_id=506431 time=1688980222 user_id=3374
What is ALR? And why wouldn't you at least farm a little to get the tax break? How big is the spread and couldn't you put some livestock on it?
It's complicated. I'll have to get more in depth with the ALR at a later date.
Basically, you have to show a minimum of Ag work sales every year to claim status.
Quote from: "Melson Gibson" post_id=506283 time=1688941569 user_id=3397
Somehow women eventually decided that this role equates to some sort of prison sentence, and wanted to be 'free' by joining the workforce.

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They didn't decide anything.... the men went to Wars 1 and 2 and women had to go out and do the men's jobs where they formed adult friendships with the sisterhood and were paid wages....
Going back to the kitchen full time was no longer a desirable option for some.
Not everyone wants dozens of extra mouths to feed and deadbeat fathers to wait on.
Quote from: "Melson Gibson" post_id=506427 time=1688978719 user_id=3397
Women are like niggers, whereas they live in the past.
You don't know how hard I just laughed :laugh:
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Quote from: Lokmar post_id=506373 time=1688954229 user_id=3351
My ex wound up in foreclosure and lost her house a few years after we divorced. Stupid cunt had to put the utilities in our sons name cause she owed the power company so much. LMFAO! Clown whore always said I was to blame for our financial woes.
Don't feel bad for them. My Ex ended up moving back home with her parents after she left and tried to live on her own. Women don't appreciate the same things men do, or at least my Ex didn't...
Women are like niggers, whereas they live in the now. Future is a foreign concept to them, as is the past.
I struggle to own and maintain this, and know that any female would take advantage of this. I roll solo, brother, for this reason. I WON'T be stripped of what I own, ever.

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I read that a Canadian woman can't claim property you own in a foreign jurisdiction as long as she's not a citizen there.
There were a couple of cases like that.
A Canadian guy had property in the US but his ex couldn't take it from him. And another case where a guy owned property in Spain & the Canadian court ruled in his favour
So perhaps it pays to have diverse property holdings in foreign locales
A 2nd passport might be beneficial too
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Quote from: Lokmar post_id=506373 time=1688954229 user_id=3351
My ex wound up in foreclosure and lost her house a few years after we divorced. Stupid cunt had to put the utilities in our sons name cause she owed the power company so much. LMFAO! Clown whore always said I was to blame for our financial woes.
Stories like this makes me not regret never getting married.
Just don't marry a piece of shit and you'll be fine.
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Quote from: DKG post_id=506374 time=1688954518 user_id=3390
Stories like this makes me not regret never getting married.
Just don't marry a piece of shit and you'll be fine.
Yea, thats the truth. Everyone warned me but I kept on plugging it till she got knocked up.
Quote from: "Melson Gibson" post_id=506427 time=1688978719 user_id=3397
Quote from: Lokmar post_id=506373 time=1688954229 user_id=3351
My ex wound up in foreclosure and lost her house a few years after we divorced. Stupid cunt had to put the utilities in our sons name cause she owed the power company so much. LMFAO! Clown whore always said I was to blame for our financial woes.
Don't feel bad for them. My Ex ended up moving back home with her parents after she left and tried to live on her own. Women don't appreciate the same things men do, or at least my Ex didn't...
Women are like niggers, whereas they live in the now. Future is a foreign concept to them, as is the past.
I struggle to own and maintain this, and know that any female would take advantage of this. I roll solo, brother, for this reason. I WON'T be stripped of what I own, ever.

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Listen I could slam men all day and if I started telling stories about the shit I've had go down in my dealing with men you'd be floored.
This isn't a male/female thing. A piece of shit is a piece of shit is a piece of shit. If you think men are all logical thinkers who always consider the future and are responsible victims who get taken advantage of by some monolith woman....man you haven't interacted enough with men.
My first ex destroyed my credit and fucked my MOM and to this day still blames me for everything wrong in his life. He tried to cheat on his current wife with me. He is gross. Let's not even get into his financial instability.
At some point I had to take a hard look at myself to find out why I make these bad choices in partners. I really had to take myself apart. I just spent a few years trying to work out a bad marriage with a guy who refuses to be an adult and handle his own life. That's all on me. I could easily blame men for everything but I'd be wrong.
Quote from: Dove post_id=506847 time=1689093974 user_id=3266
Quote from: "Melson Gibson" post_id=506427 time=1688978719 user_id=3397
Don't feel bad for them. My Ex ended up moving back home with her parents after she left and tried to live on her own. Women don't appreciate the same things men do, or at least my Ex didn't...
Women are like niggers, whereas they live in the now. Future is a foreign concept to them, as is the past.
I struggle to own and maintain this, and know that any female would take advantage of this. I roll solo, brother, for this reason. I WON'T be stripped of what I own, ever.

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My first ex destroyed my credit and fucked my MOM and to this day still blames me for everything wrong in his life.
WTF
Quote from: "Erica Mena" post_id=506848 time=1689094113 user_id=2845
Quote from: Dove post_id=506847 time=1689093974 user_id=3266
My first ex destroyed my credit and fucked my MOM and to this day still blames me for everything wrong in his life.
WTF
Oh yes. A week after my grandma died while I was sleeping in the next room.
And when he tried to make a ton of excuses I snapped and stabbed him in the arm with a fork.
Just a really terrible time in my life. I came and stayed with the guy I'm with now for like a week after that one. I was sick with grief. I didn't eat or sleep or even shower for like 8 months.
Men can be sociopaths but I can't slam them all because at the worst, most devastating, most embarrassing hardest moments of my life it's a been a man who has been there for me.
And you're taking care of her?? If that isn't the ultimate betrayal, I
Don't know what is.
You have a bigger heart than anyone I know.
Quote from: Dove post_id=506850 time=1689094318 user_id=3266
Quote from: "Erica Mena" post_id=506848 time=1689094113 user_id=2845
WTF
Oh yes. A week after my grandma died while I was sleeping in the next room.
And when he tried to make a ton of excuses I snapped and stabbed him in the arm with a fork.
Just a really terrible time in my life. I came and stayed with the guy I'm with now for like a week after that one. I was sick with grief. I didn't eat or sleep or even shower for like 8 months.
Men can be sociopaths but I can't slam them all because at the worst, most devastating, most embarrassing hardest moments of my life it's a been a man who has been there for me.
You have had lots of drama in your life Dove. Welcome back.
Quote from: "Erica Mena" post_id=506851 time=1689094435 user_id=2845
And you're taking care of her?? If that isn't the ultimate betrayal, I
Don't know what is.
You have a bigger heart than anyone I know.
Well let's not get ahead of ourselves LOL
I am getting her on out. She demands way too much and is deeply entitled and a pain in the ass. And my guy I'm with HATES her but is tolerating her being here at the moment for me. He has been around and has seen how she is for thr past 30 years so he hates her.
She found some guy she's gonna go live in MO with. She's getting on a train and leaving because the constant servitude she expects isn't up to her liking.
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Quote from: Dove post_id=506850 time=1689094318 user_id=3266
Oh yes. A week after my grandma died while I was sleeping in the next room.
And when he tried to make a ton of excuses I snapped and stabbed him in the arm with a fork.
Just a really terrible time in my life. I came and stayed with the guy I'm with now for like a week after that one. I was sick with grief. I didn't eat or sleep or even shower for like 8 months.
Men can be sociopaths but I can't slam them all because at the worst, most devastating, most embarrassing hardest moments of my life it's a been a man who has been there for me.
You have had lots of drama in your life Dove. Welcome back.
LOL I would say many people have lots of drama. I'm just willing to talk about mine lol
Quote from: DKG post_id=506852 time=1689094551 user_id=3390
Quote from: Dove post_id=506850 time=1689094318 user_id=3266
Oh yes. A week after my grandma died while I was sleeping in the next room.
And when he tried to make a ton of excuses I snapped and stabbed him in the arm with a fork.
Just a really terrible time in my life. I came and stayed with the guy I'm with now for like a week after that one. I was sick with grief. I didn't eat or sleep or even shower for like 8 months.
Men can be sociopaths but I can't slam them all because at the worst, most devastating, most embarrassing hardest moments of my life it's a been a man who has been there for me.
You have had lots of drama in your life Dove. Welcome back.
LOL I would say many people have lots of drama. I'm just willing to talk about mine lol
And thanks!
Quote from: Dove post_id=506845 time=1689093426 user_id=3266
Quote from: DKG post_id=506374 time=1688954518 user_id=3390
Stories like this makes me not regret never getting married.
Just don't marry a piece of shit and you'll be fine.
I am forty nine years oid and pretty comfortable with my life. My girlfriend and I both own our own condos and neither of us is willing to sell ours. We go to Florida every winter. In about seven or eight years I am going to retire there. At least six months of the year anyway.
Quote from: Dove post_id=506856 time=1689095314 user_id=3266
Quote from: DKG post_id=506852 time=1689094551 user_id=3390
You have had lots of drama in your life Dove. Welcome back.
LOL I would say many people have lots of drama. I'm just willing to talk about mine lol
And thanks!
I don't know anybody that could make up stories as interesting as the actual drama you have experienced, but I could be wrong.
Quote from: DKG post_id=506857 time=1689095378 user_id=3390
Quote from: Dove post_id=506845 time=1689093426 user_id=3266
Just don't marry a piece of shit and you'll be fine.
I am forty nine years oid and pretty comfortable with my life. My girlfriend and I both own our own condos and neither of us is will to sell ours. We go to Florida every winter. In about seven or eight years I am going to retire there. At least six months of the year anyway.
If it works it works!
Quote from: Dove post_id=506862 time=1689095701 user_id=3266
Quote from: DKG post_id=506857 time=1689095378 user_id=3390
I am forty nine years oid and pretty comfortable with my life. My girlfriend and I both own our own condos and neither of us is will to sell ours. We go to Florida every winter. In about seven or eight years I am going to retire there. At least six months of the year anyway.
If it works it works!
Neither of us wants to change what works for us.
Quote from: DKG post_id=506858 time=1689095450 user_id=3390
Quote from: Dove post_id=506856 time=1689095314 user_id=3266
LOL I would say many people have lots of drama. I'm just willing to talk about mine lol
And thanks!
I don't know anybody that could make up stories as interesting as the actual drama you have experienced, but I could be wrong.
I only overshare because it's entertaining lol. And I don't talk much in real life. Not about anything deep at least.
Quote from: Dove post_id=506864 time=1689095778 user_id=3266
Quote from: DKG post_id=506858 time=1689095450 user_id=3390
I don't know anybody that could make up stories as interesting as the actual drama you have experienced, but I could be wrong.
I only overshare because it's entertaining lol. And I don't talk much in real life. Not about anything deep at least.
It gets people posting that is for sure.
Quote from: DKG post_id=506865 time=1689095915 user_id=3390
Quote from: Dove post_id=506864 time=1689095778 user_id=3266
I only overshare because it's entertaining lol. And I don't talk much in real life. Not about anything deep at least.
It gets people posting that is for sure.
I sure didn't think me getting a divorce would inspire such a passionate response lol.
It's funny what sometimes gets people going.
Quote from: Dove post_id=506866 time=1689096058 user_id=3266
Quote from: DKG post_id=506865 time=1689095915 user_id=3390
It gets people posting that is for sure.
I sure didn't think me getting a divorce would inspire such a passionate response lol.
It's funny what sometimes gets people going.
It is easier to be critical of the lives of others than our own lives.
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Quote from: Dove post_id=506866 time=1689096058 user_id=3266
I sure didn't think me getting a divorce would inspire such a passionate response lol.
It's funny what sometimes gets people going.
It is easier to be critical of the lives of others than our own lives.
Indeed!
Quote from: DKG post_id=506857 time=1689095378 user_id=3390
Quote from: Dove post_id=506845 time=1689093426 user_id=3266
Just don't marry a piece of shit and you'll be fine.
I am forty nine years oid and pretty comfortable with my life. My girlfriend and I both own our own condos and neither of us is willing to sell ours. We go to Florida every winter. In about seven or eight years I am going to retire there. At least six months of the year anyway.
Sounds comfortable and I don't discredit you or yours... but life is a hard trip when you're living it in the moment or are expecting goodness to filter through based on your best life choices up to that moment.
I'm never going to retire... but I've never wanted to either.
I just want to drop dead when I least expect it....as long as all the people I love and care about are OK and also not too much put out about it.
But I'd really love the CCP landing troops in Australia near my end days...
I can drive anything....................
Quote from: Frood post_id=506956 time=1689133683 user_id=1676
I'm never going to retire... but I've never wanted to either.
I can drive anything....................
You and me both, brother. Buying the property that I did, in the region I did, comes with sacrifice also. That sacrifice is not finding the cushy and steady six figure jobs you'd find in the big cities here, with gold plated pensions, although those jobs are disappearing there also thanks to massive immigration numbers.
Canada Pension is a joke, and isn't enough to survive on, so I'll work until I die, or win the lottery. I have the 12 Gauge pension plan ready to go if I find myself in a position that requires that.
As drivers/operators, we are in a position to work these machines into old age. I chose this line of work knowing that I can do what I did at 20, at 80 if I have to. I'll run the loader, the dump truck, whatever... I'm not lifting shit, but I can operate your equipment with care.
Quote from: "Melson Gibson" post_id=506964 time=1689144463 user_id=3397
Quote from: Frood post_id=506956 time=1689133683 user_id=1676
I'm never going to retire... but I've never wanted to either.
I can drive anything....................
You and me both, brother. Buying the property that I did, in the region I did, comes with sacrifice also. That sacrifice is not finding the cushy and steady six figure jobs you'd find in the big cities here, with gold plated pensions, although those jobs are disappearing there also thanks to massive immigration numbers.
Canada Pension is a joke, and isn't enough to survive on, so I'll work until I die, or win the lottery. I have the 12 Gauge pension plan ready to go if I find myself in a position that requires that.
As drivers/operators, we are in a position to work these machines into old age. I chose this line of work knowing that I can do what I did at 20, at 80 if I have to. I'll run the loader, the dump truck, whatever... I'm not lifting shit, but I can operate your equipment with care.
Guess we're the same.
15 months ago I never encountered a skid steer, excavator, dozer, or dumper before...
But now I ride some of those and am really fucking good at some.
Quote from: Frood post_id=506966 time=1689146395 user_id=1676
Guess we're the same.
15 months ago I never encountered a skid steer, excavator, dozer, or dumper before...
But now I ride some of those and am really fucking good at some.
I didn't know you were new to this!
If you're good, you'll find work. We could be dropped into the middle of the Congo Jungle, and still find work...

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Quote from: "Melson Gibson" post_id=506967 time=1689147141 user_id=3397
Quote from: Frood post_id=506966 time=1689146395 user_id=1676
Guess we're the same.
15 months ago I never encountered a skid steer, excavator, dozer, or dumper before...
But now I ride some of those and am really fucking good at some.
I didn't know you were new to this!
If you're good, you'll find work. We could be dropped into the middle of the Congo Jungle, and still find work...

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I've driven forklifts and heavy machinery around for most of my adult life... but hopping on a new machine while your boss gives you 3-5 minutes of instructions then leaves?
I find this shit hilarious.
Modern loaders are easier because they only have one joystick that does everything.
You can only do one thing at a time with old loaders...
Maybe two things depending on how the levers are placed.
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Quote from: DKG post_id=506857 time=1689095378 user_id=3390
I am forty nine years oid and pretty comfortable with my life. My girlfriend and I both own our own condos and neither of us is willing to sell ours. We go to Florida every winter. In about seven or eight years I am going to retire there. At least six months of the year anyway.
Sounds comfortable and I don't discredit you or yours... but life is a hard trip when you're living it in the moment or are expecting goodness to filter through based on your best life choices up to that moment.
I'm never going to retire... but I've never wanted to either.
I just want to drop dead when I least expect it....as long as all the people I love and care about are OK and also not too much put out about it.
But I'd really love the CCP landing troops in Australia near my end days...
I can drive anything....................
I have always been focused on the future. Always preparing for it. It comes with my line of work.
Quote from: Odinson post_id=506973 time=1689148929 user_id=136
Modern loaders are easier because they only have one joystick that does everything.
You can only do one thing at a time with old loaders...
Maybe two things depending on how the levers are placed.
Modern front end loaders are easy as piss.