She's a lefty, but she's got my back. Thank you for taking my side against the bigotry I face on Blurt's forum.
Any fucking time, you need a conservative hand let me fucking know!
Ya shes okay, for a women i guess
I luvs RW!! :D
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she's cool.....gets confused real easy and is a little bossy but not a bad shit.....if i was younger and she played her cards right i just might have invited her out to Dog River for the weekend....oh well she can dream about it...... :ugeek:
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she's cool.....gets confused real easy and is a little bossy but not a bad shit.....if i was younger and she played her cards right i just might have invited her out to Dog River for the weekend....oh well she can dream about it...... :ugeek:
Monte Carlo, Playa Del Carmen and Dog River....vacation dreams!
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she's cool.....gets confused real easy and is a little bossy but not a bad shit.....if i was younger and she played her cards right i just might have invited her out to Dog River for the weekend....oh well she can dream about it...... :ugeek:
Yes she gets confused, and a bit bossy.... BUT Can she dance? a women like that has to be able to dance.
I can dance.
I've been to Dog River.
And Shen, I have no idea what you're talking about *whistling*
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she's cool.....gets confused real easy and is a little bossy but not a bad shit.....if i was younger and she played her cards right i just might have invited her out to Dog River for the weekend....oh well she can dream about it...... :ugeek:
Real Woman is a very intelligent, classy lady.
You're a classy lady Fash! Sweet as candy to boot.
I like all the women on this forum.
Me too!
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slut :lol:
LOL
RW has gone a little fucking crazy over these education threads...her and bb the bolshevik are sympatico on this one.......bloody hell these lefties are thick.
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Passion and knowledge are what makes internet discussions lively..
There isn't much I could contribute to a such a discussion, but I am glad there are people like Real Woman that can.
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Passion and knowledge are what makes internet discussions lively..
There isn't much I could contribute to a such a discussion, but I am glad there are people like Real Woman that can.
normally i would agree with you....however, being wrong from the start and repeating it over and over again is just sheer bullheaded horseshit...oh wait a minute i forgot she is a girl......hahahahahahahaha..i kill myself... :mrgreen:
Munday, you honestly have nothing that resonates in reality with your posts. I know how the education system works in BC - I know funding structures, special funds, bargaining issues, learning outcomes, class size and composition issues, in addition to knowing first hand what elementary school kids are learning in our schools.
What do you have, cupcake? Conjecture from your wheat field in the middle of nowhere? Get the grain out of your ears old man. You might learn something.
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What do you have, cupcake? Conjecture from your wheat field in the middle of nowhere? Get the grain out of your ears old man. You might learn something.
I can tell you know a lot about the public education system in your province..
I don't have anything to add, but with your knowledge I don't need to.
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What do you have, cupcake? Conjecture from your wheat field in the middle of nowhere? Get the grain out of your ears old man. You might learn something.
you know what you think you know.....the rest is merely opinion and union propaganda...for those of us that live in the real world it is not so easy to shrug it off...we see and live your failed experiments daily..that is why it is such a travesty...it affects real people
my ears hear perfectly well toots.....and age allows for perspective and wisdom....something you may achieve someday...possibly
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What do you have, cupcake? Conjecture from your wheat field in the middle of nowhere? Get the grain out of your ears old man. You might learn something.
I can tell you know a lot about the public education system in your province..
I don't have anything to add, but with your knowledge I don't need to.
stop encouraging her............................................................................................ :shock:
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What do you have, cupcake? Conjecture from your wheat field in the middle of nowhere? Get the grain out of your ears old man. You might learn something.
you know what you think you know.....the rest is merely opinion and union propaganda...for those of us that live in the real world it is not so easy to shrug it off...we see and live your failed experiments daily..that is why it is such a travesty...it affects real people
my ears hear perfectly well toots.....and age allows for perspective and wisdom....something you may achieve someday...possibly
So perspective and wisdom means having no idea whatsoever about what the current state of education in BC is? Does "living in the real world" mean rinning around without a clue and squawking like a shit hawk?
I respect you Munday but coming from an informed and experienced perspective on this issue, you are embarrassing yourself.
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What do you have, cupcake? Conjecture from your wheat field in the middle of nowhere? Get the grain out of your ears old man. You might learn something.
you know what you think you know.....the rest is merely opinion and union propaganda...for those of us that live in the real world it is not so easy to shrug it off...we see and live your failed experiments daily..that is why it is such a travesty...it affects real people
my ears hear perfectly well toots.....and age allows for perspective and wisdom....something you may achieve someday...possibly
So perspective and wisdom means having no idea whatsoever about what the current state of education in BC is? Does "living in the real world" mean rinning around without a clue and squawking like a shit hawk?
I respect you Munday but coming from an informed and experienced perspective on this issue, you are embarrassing yourself.
more embarrassing fuel for the fire.....the system in BC is completely broken and beyond redemption....but hey, who cares the teaching staff needs a raise...so fuck the kids as usual.
Kelly McParland | June 17, 2014 11:22 AM ET
British Columbia teachers have been at war with the province for more than a decade, and are set to walk out on strike just days before the end of the school year.
Normally I would question the wisdom of a strike that takes place over the summer holidays (who's going to notice?) and is related to unreasonable pay demands. But not in this case. [size=150] B.C., it is clear, does not view schools as a place in which children are taught the basic tools necessary to navigate life – math, science, geography – but as petri dishes for social experimentation in which teachers are lab technicians with unwitting children as their mice. [/size]You couldn't pay me enough to do this stuff.
Talks were at a standstill on the eve of job action that will shut a half million students and more than 40,000 teachers out of school weeks ahead of the scheduled summer break.
"The strike is imminent," union president Jim Iker said Monday morning in a speech watched online by thousands of teachers gathered away from schools at "study sessions" to discuss developments.
"Government had that opportunity to get a deal this weekend and they squandered it, which is so disappointing."
Chief government negotiator Peter Cameron rebuked the union for its tactics away from the table, but concurred the sides were at an impasse.
On Monday, the Vancouver School Board approved a policy change aimed at accommodating gender identity and sexual orientation. The motive is admirable enough, to prevent students being singled out, bullied or otherwise discriminated against on the basis of gender.
Nonetheless, the school board forged ahead, even deciding to adopt new pronouns for those who would rather pick no gender at all.
In addition to new pronouns, the Vancouver board also goes to considerable length to protect "privacy", including, it would seem, keeping the student's chosen new gender a secret from his/her or xyr parents. A provision in the policy notes that while the student's chosen gender identity will "whenever possible" be included in class lists and timetables, "communications between school and home shall use a student's legal name and the pronoun corresponding to the student's gender assigned at birth" unless otherwise requested. It's the student's right to decide "when, with whom, and how much information to share".
B.C. teachers will presumably be the ones to add this social minefield to the other developmental issues they are already expected to shoulder on behalf of, or sometimes in spite of, parents (In this case it appears they may be expected to actively keep parents in the dark about a critical element of their child's growth). Perhaps in recognition of the possibility teachers won't want to go anywhere near it (many male teachers already fear the risk of inadvertently finding themselves alone in a room with a female student), the policy stipulates that schools must appoint at least one staff person to be a "Safe Contact". If no one volunteers, a member of the administration will be stuck with it.
The policy was adopted amid much controversy, particularly from parents who accused school authorities of pushing their own agenda with inadequate consultation with parents and medical experts.
"We're talking about meaningful conversation with parents and the medical and mental health professions. This is not meaningful conversation. This is politics of division, it's getting people upset and angry," an angry parent told the CBC. But board members were unmoved, treating parents as a threat to their own children.
"I didn't realize how much opposition there was out there in our communities to keeping kids safe and included and welcome," said board chairwoman Patti Bacchus, who declared herself "proud" of the changes.
Schools used to be relatively straightforward operations: you sent your children and they came back with an education. That hasn't been the case for some years, but the extent to which "progressive" politics has intruded on the actual learning process can't help but alarm many parents who would prefer to remain free of whatever social preoccupation board members feel the desire to dabble in. Perhaps there is room for a breakaway faction, offering "politics-free" learning for those who still feel they are at least as qualified as school board members to choose their child's path to maturity.
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I've acknowledged the fucked up gender issues and bias in the education system.
And please, don't talk to me about the "fuck the kids" mantra. It's the government's slogan.
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And please, don't talk to me about the "fuck the kids" mantra. It's the government's slogan.
you cupcake are the queen of.denile denile denile denile denile denile denile denile denile denile denile denile.....you get the drift
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you know what you think you know.....the rest is merely opinion and union propaganda...for those of us that live in the real world it is not so easy to shrug it off...we see and live your failed experiments daily..that is why it is such a travesty...it affects real people
my ears hear perfectly well toots.....and age allows for perspective and wisdom....something you may achieve someday...possibly
So perspective and wisdom means having no idea whatsoever about what the current state of education in BC is? Does "living in the real world" mean rinning around without a clue and squawking like a shit hawk?
I respect you Munday but coming from an informed and experienced perspective on this issue, you are embarrassing yourself.
more embarrassing fuel for the fire.....the system in BC is completely broken and beyond redemption....but hey, who cares the teaching staff needs a raise...so fuck the kids as usual.
Kelly McParland | June 17, 2014 11:22 AM ET
British Columbia teachers have been at war with the province for more than a decade, and are set to walk out on strike just days before the end of the school year.
Normally I would question the wisdom of a strike that takes place over the summer holidays (who's going to notice?) and is related to unreasonable pay demands. But not in this case.
These are precisely the reasons my husband and I would never put our children in the public school system..
Private school is an expensive investment, but we would do it no matter what the cost.
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And please, don't talk to me about the "fuck the kids" mantra. It's the government's slogan.
you cupcake are the queen of.denile denile denile denile denile denile denile denile denile denile denile denile.....you get the drift
What am I denying exactly?
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And please, don't talk to me about the "fuck the kids" mantra. It's the government's slogan.
you cupcake are the queen of.denile denile denile denile denile denile denile denile denile denile denile denile.....you get the drift
What am I denying exactly?
The spelling of denial perhaps?
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you cupcake are the queen of.denile denile denile denile denile denile denile denile denile denile denile denile.....you get the drift
What am I denying exactly?
The spelling of denial perhaps?
its a play on words seoul bro
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And please, don't talk to me about the "fuck the kids" mantra. It's the government's slogan.
you cupcake are the queen of.denile denile denile denile denile denile denile denile denile denile denile denile.....you get the drift
What am I denying exactly?
how about we start with..............REALITY...one more dollar paid into a system that is this FUBAR'd is a waste.....children are being rendered useless for life by merely participating in this farce. That is a fact..jack......REALITY...........cheerio
So children don't learn anything in schools? They just participate in some dog and pony show that will turn them into useless blobs at the end of it?
THAT's reality?
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THAT's reality?
oh THANK YOU LORD.....you are finally getting it....i knew you would....i am so proud..... :geek:
You know you are retarded right?
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i am thinking of changing the title of this thread to......Real Woman should be Fucking Rocked !!....now go tend to business and leave the serious discussion to those in the know...... :ugeek:
Honestly Munday, I'm growing tired of your conjecture filled rants that you think pass for debate. You've made it clear you have nothing of substance to add so why don't you save yourself the trouble of repeatedly hammering on the period key ... mmmkay.
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and you my dear.....perfectly fill the prescription of what i have been "ranting" about....at least i recognize the doctrinaire nature of my posts.....consistent and logical......you do not....i see and read your point, i just don't agree with it...there is and can not be any debate as both sides have made up their minds on the issue.....now it is just rehashing old points. I like the ........ key. A lot................................................................ :o
You've been ranting about people who have invested the time into learning the workings of the education system in BC? You've been ranting about people with children in the system who know the short comings better than you do from your hay stack pulpit? You don't like people who won't agree that their kids are going to end up with nothing more than Mc jobs?
At the end of the day, all you have is a rant. No facts. No reality. Just your typical "when I was a boy..." cane shaking.
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At the end of the day, all you have is a rant. No facts. No reality. Just your typical "when I was a boy..." cane shaking.
ah but i do have something.....what i always have...the truth based on facts and results...ideas based on experience and common sense.......much of which you fail to grasp.
Blah blah blah
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You first.
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Ok
RW,
What the fuck is going on in BC with the teachers and the government? Summarized version please.
Teachers haven't had a collective agreement in two years.
BCTF took gov to court for contract stripping on class size and composition and bargaining in bad faith - government got SPANKED by judge. Gov appealed decision.
Bargaining went to shit as usual.
Teachers started job action - reduction of services with min impact on kids, then up to one day a week per district strikes. Government locked them out with restrictions on work time and docked 10% pay.
Teachers vote for full strike.
Government and teachers say they will make the effort to seriously bargain the weekend before the strike. BCTF submits proposal Friday and government doesn't respond until Sunday. No deal.
Teachers go to full strike.
Bargaining continues to go to shit.
BCTF calls for arbitration. Government won't agree to it.
I think that about sums it up.
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BCTF took gov to court for contract stripping on class size and composition and bargaining in bad faith - government got SPANKED by judge. Gov appealed decision.
Bargaining went to shit as usual.
Teachers started job action - reduction of services with min impact on kids, then up to one day a week per district strikes. Government locked them out with restrictions on work time and docked 10% pay.
Teachers vote for full strike.
Government and teachers say they will make the effort to seriously bargain the weekend before the strike. BCTF submits proposal Friday and government doesn't respond until Sunday. No deal.
Teachers go to full strike.
Bargaining continues to go to shit.
BCTF calls for arbitration. Government won't agree to it.
I think that about sums it up.
You are following this dispute between government and teachers very closely Real Woman...good for you.
:)
It's hard not to - it's really in your face around here. Plus I have kids in the system, plus my community volunteer work has an education piece.
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I respect people like you Real Woman that take a leadership role in important issues like education..
I care too, but there are more qualified people than myself to lead..
Have a lovely Saturday Real Woman.
:)
Same to you Fash.
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BCTF took gov to court for contract stripping on class size and composition and bargaining in bad faith - government got SPANKED by judge. Gov appealed decision.
Bargaining went to shit as usual.
Teachers started job action - reduction of services with min impact on kids, then up to one day a week per district strikes. Government locked them out with restrictions on work time and docked 10% pay.
Teachers vote for full strike.
Government and teachers say they will make the effort to seriously bargain the weekend before the strike. BCTF submits proposal Friday and government doesn't respond until Sunday. No deal.
Teachers go to full strike.
Bargaining continues to go to shit.
BCTF calls for arbitration. Government won't agree to it.
I think that about sums it up.
Pay docked 10%? Fucking awesome!!
Now is the time for the BC government to break the fucking union entirely. Strike now while the enemy is weak.
The government are the ones getting their asses kicked. The courts gave them a spank, the media has not been kind, and the public is PISSED. There are petitions going around for our premier to step down that are gaining momentum.
If union busting was her goal (which I'm sure it was in part) then she's failed MISERABLY.
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If union busting was her goal (which I'm sure it was in part) then she's failed MISERABLY.
I'm wondering if the average person wants the government to get even tougher with the unionized slimebag teachers?
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If union busting was her goal (which I'm sure it was in part) then she's failed MISERABLY.
I'm wondering if the average person wants the government to get even tougher with the unionized slimebag teachers?
Slime bag teachers! Oh Shen, please get you head out of your union hating ass for just one minute please and read what I've already said.
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I'm just asking a question. I wonder how many people in BC and across Canada are fed up with the teachers holding their kids' education hostage.
Teacher's aren't holding our kids or their educations hostage.
You have no idea the funding cuts we've seen from this government and the impact it's had on education. People are sick and tired of the under funding. Teachers are the ones who have put their livelihoods on the line to fight for our kids to get a better education. We should shit on them for that?
I don't think so.
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You have no idea the funding cuts we've seen from this government and the impact it's had on education. People are sick and tired of the under funding. Teachers are the ones who have put their livelihoods on the line to fight for our kids to get a better education. We should shit on them for that?
I don't think so.
Shen Li is a stubborn mule. She won't listen.
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I'm just asking a question. I wonder how many people in BC and across Canada are fed up with the teachers holding their kids' education hostage.
if the truth were known, most are....but the unions have intimidated the sheep once again.....i don't feel sorry for the dumb fucks at all....if they allow these slugs to take even more of their tax dollars, they deserve it...... :twisted:
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You have no idea the funding cuts we've seen from this government and the impact it's had on education. People are sick and tired of the under funding. Teachers are the ones who have put their livelihoods on the line to fight for our kids to get a better education. We should shit on them for that?
I don't think so.
BC has increased the average rate of funding-per-pupil. It now stands at about $8,600 per student, an increase of 37 per cent since 2001. These increases have taken place even while student enrolment has declined by 72,000 in the last decade, a significant reduction.
I remember the cuts that occurred under Ralph Klein shortly after we came to Canada. The sky was supposed to fall according to the teacher's union, but of course it never happened. Sorry RW, but any government that spends less of my money has earned my vote.
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You have no idea the funding cuts we've seen from this government and the impact it's had on education. People are sick and tired of the under funding. Teachers are the ones who have put their livelihoods on the line to fight for our kids to get a better education. We should shit on them for that?
I don't think so.
BC has increased the average rate of funding-per-pupil. It now stands at about $8,600 per student, an increase of 37 per cent since 2001. These increases have taken place even while student enrolment has declined by 72,000 in the last decade, a significant reduction.
I remember the cuts that occurred under Ralph Klein shortly after we came to Canada. The sky was supposed to fall according to the teacher's union, but of course it never happened. Sorry RW, but any government that spends less of my money has earned my vote.
the real issue is the ratio of dollars going to salaries and admin compared to dollars actually spent on educating students.......back in the day it was 80% for students-----20% for salaries.........now it is 90% salaries and 10% is available to the students...that is the real problem......there is oodles of money available in the system....it's just the unions steal it all for there greedy members and fuck the kids...they couldn't give a shit about the students....
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You have no idea the funding cuts we've seen from this government and the impact it's had on education. People are sick and tired of the under funding. Teachers are the ones who have put their livelihoods on the line to fight for our kids to get a better education. We should shit on them for that?
I don't think so.
BC has increased the average rate of funding-per-pupil. It now stands at about $8,600 per student, an increase of 37 per cent since 2001. These increases have taken place even while student enrolment has declined by 72,000 in the last decade, a significant reduction.
I remember the cuts that occurred under Ralph Klein shortly after we came to Canada. The sky was supposed to fall according to the teacher's union, but of course it never happened. Sorry RW, but any government that spends less of my money has earned my vote.
the real issue is the ratio of dollars going to salaries and admin compared to dollars actually spent on educating students.......back in the day it was 80% for students-----20% for salaries.........now it is 90% salaries and 10% is available to the students...that is the real problem......there is oodles of money available in the system....it's just the unions steal it all for there greedy members and fuck the kids...they couldn't give a shit about the students....
Where did you find those figures OL?
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BC has increased the average rate of funding-per-pupil. It now stands at about $8,600 per student, an increase of 37 per cent since 2001. These increases have taken place even while student enrolment has declined by 72,000 in the last decade, a significant reduction.
I remember the cuts that occurred under Ralph Klein shortly after we came to Canada. The sky was supposed to fall according to the teacher's union, but of course it never happened. Sorry RW, but any government that spends less of my money has earned my vote.
the real issue is the ratio of dollars going to salaries and admin compared to dollars actually spent on educating students.......back in the day it was 80% for students-----20% for salaries.........now it is 90% salaries and 10% is available to the students...that is the real problem......there is oodles of money available in the system....it's just the unions steal it all for there greedy members and fuck the kids...they couldn't give a shit about the students....
Where did you find those figures OL?
the 80/20 was from a govt. report in the 70's...the 90/10 is a guesstimate based on funding available vs. salaries/benefits/admin costs currently.....could be 80/20 but makes little difference......the point is that over the past 50 years we have switched focus from funding students to funding union members.....a fatal error
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I'll do a little searching, but if those numbers are legit, that is disgusting.
BTW, I remember in grade 5 our teacher got us to help make signs that read Klein cuts hurt kids and a bunch of other political bullshit. Yeah, she really cared about our education. :roll:
Let's be clear on something here - TEACHERS educate students. Not paper, not pencils, not buildings or buses - teachers. You could stick a teacher in a field with a group of kids sitting on the grass with nothing and they'd learn something.
Now the trouble with these percentages is what numbers are behind them. School boards have two budgets - operating budgets and capital budgets. Within these budgets are also specialized funding grants - ear marked money for a specific purpose like funding for inner city kids, additional learning support funding, technology grants, facilities grants, new school grants, curriculum change education grants, etc. Teacher's salaries and benefits come out of the general operations grant. All staffing comes from that grant and including all staff salaries plus benefits, I would say 80% of that grant being comprised of these salaries and benefits (not just teacher) is fairly accurate based on what I've seen of actual school board budgets. I just pulled one out, and teacher salaries and benefits amounted to 56% of the total operations budget.
If you include ALL the funding provided to a school board, that percentage drops further. I ran the numbers I have including total revenue for the year and that figure dropped down to 50%.
Now I'm not playing around with numbers or trying to push some agenda. My calculations were done using ACTUAL figures from real school district financial documents to provide you with teacher salary and benefit costs.
Once again remember, this is a SERVICE based industry. Staffing is where the majority of funding should be going in the first place.
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You have no idea the funding cuts we've seen from this government and the impact it's had on education. People are sick and tired of the under funding. Teachers are the ones who have put their livelihoods on the line to fight for our kids to get a better education. We should shit on them for that?
I don't think so.
BC has increased the average rate of funding-per-pupil. It now stands at about $8,600 per student, an increase of 37 per cent since 2001. These increases have taken place even while student enrolment has declined by 72,000 in the last decade, a significant reduction.
I remember the cuts that occurred under Ralph Klein shortly after we came to Canada. The sky was supposed to fall according to the teacher's union, but of course it never happened. Sorry RW, but any government that spends less of my money has earned my vote.
I can address this as well...
Average per pupil funding means fuck all. First of all, the government doesn't fund per pupil. It finds based on "full time equivalent" (FTE). So, that means if you have 30 Kindergarten kids going to school for half a day, they have an FTE of 0.5. If you translated that to per-pupil funding, it amounts to funding 15 kids. On the other hand, if you have high school students who take additional classes like those off time table, additional honours courses, etc beyond a full time course load, they are funded at a higher FTE like 1.1-1.3. If a high school student takes less than a full course load, they are also funded accordingly.
This reduction in FTE does not lower actual operating costs barely at all. The teachers are still teaching, the buses still run, the heat and lights stay on, the floors still get swept at night, etc. No fewer students but less funding.
Clear as mud?
What you're not being told is all the costs they've off loaded onto districts. They offered full day kindergarten which for many districts was under funded. Why? Because the funding didn't cover the cost of the additional teachers. A lot of districts added heating, lighting and janitorial costs because they had to add portable classrooms to their schools. (Declining enrolment remember.)
Fuel prices have gone up drastically since 2001.
They off loaded insurance costs onto districts that was once paid on a provincial level (and under funded that as well).
They added carbon offset costs.
Buildings are aging because they are tight with capital money and the facilities grants no longer cover preventative maintainence so it costs more to heat and cool aging schools.
Hydro costs have gone up by a shit ton.
Etc, etc, etc.
So yes, the government has increased their "per pupil" funding. What they don't bother to tell you is that it doesn't keep up with the costs.
The average teacher in BC makes $71,000 and per pupil funding is $8,654. With thirty pupils, the ratio should be about 73% students, 27% teachers.
This is very interesting information Real Woman, thank you.
:)
Also, if you like numbers and want to beat the declining enrolment drum, let's look at it realistically:
An elementary school has 320 kids in it. Enrolment declines by 50 kids in the following classes:
K - from 25 to 20
1 - from 25 to 20
1/2 split - from 25 to 20
2 - from 25 to 20
3 - from 25 to 20
3/4 split - from 25 to 20
4 - from 25 to 20
5 - from 30 to 25
5/6 split - from 30 to 25
6 - from 30 to 25
7 - from 30 to 25
No classes were eliminated due to declining enrolment.
There are no fewer classes, no fewer teachers, no fewer bus drivers, no fewer custodial staff, no fewer principals, librarians, secretaries, or maintenance workers. How much in salaries did the school save on?
It costs the same amount to heat and light the school regardless of the number of kids in it.
It costs the same amount to maintain the building, keep the phone lines working ... you get my drift.
There will be some savings possibly in supply and photocopying costs. You might be able to cut an Educational Assistant loose (depending on the special needs the remaining student base requires).
So the school just lost $400,000 in funding (50 less students at $8000 per kid) and there has been barely a reduction in costs.
THAT is what the government fails to tell you when they chuck their declining enrolment numbers around.
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Why play with bullshit averages when you've been provided with actual numbers?
it is all just bureaucratic bafflegab........stuff they give you Trotskyites at the meetings to counter the truth......which is this....if Educationin the province has a budget of 20 billion and 16 billion is spent on salaries/benefits/admin...then that is the number...all that other bullshit is just fluff and stuff.....money that could be used to provide materials and learning tools for the students are being wasted on wages for union members, which as we know produce union dues, which as we know funds the election of members of the NDP which as we know, when they are in govt. accept whatever settlement the unions propose...that is the main issue when discussing education.....following the money and thus the influence...the kids are just throw away pawns in the big game of lets make all teachers 1% ers.....trying to justify giving a retired teacher a pension amounting to several million dollars and calling that a "teaching aid" is disingenuous, immoral and should be criminal...you can argue the party line and repeat the dogma all day long.....it is still bullshit
and Fash......stop encouraging this woman...just because she parrots what the central committee tells her doesn't mean she knows shit....these people have an unlimited supply of your tax dollars to produce what ever numbers they want you to hear......trust your gut instincts...there is a reason , a very good reason, why you are investing the money to send your kids to private school....if like RW, you think the public school system is wonderful then why waste your money
Quote from: "Obvious Li"
You were right as usual handsome. This is from the American Association of School Administrators, but I'm sure the figures for Canadian provinces is not much different.
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http://www.aasa.org/uploadedFiles/Policy_and_Advocacy/files/SchoolBudgetBriefFINAL.pdf
From the state of Ohio.
http://www.lsc.state.oh.us/fiscal/ohiofacts/jan2001/ohiosk-12schools.pdf
Shen, my numbers come straight from an actual BC school district budget. I currently have hard copies of them on my shelf. Total district staffing costs are in the 80% range. Confirmed. Teachers make up 56% of a budget's salaries and wages. If you want me to provide specific amounts down to the penny, say the word and I'll happily PM them to you so you can do the math yourself.
American education figures are useless in supporting Canadian arguments. You can't even really do cross province comparisons.
God Munday, don't make me school you on how pension funds work AGAIN.
Everything I've said is factual. It's the stuff you won't and don't hear through the media. And anyone is welcome to pick through school board budgets. They are publicly available for scrutiny.
Munday, we all know your opinion as you repeat it constantly but it hasn't negated one damn thing I've said.
Quote from: "Real Woman"
Everything I've said is factual. It's the stuff you won't and don't hear through the media. And anyone is welcome to pick through school board budgets. They are publicly available for scrutiny.
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that is because you agree with me but are struggling with the english language..... the facts don't change no matter how much you try to re-write and massage them......your welcome cupcake.....baby steps....... :geek:
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You were right as usual handsome. This is from the American Association of School Administrators, but I'm sure the figures for Canadian provinces is not much different.
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http://www.aasa.org/uploadedFiles/Policy_and_Advocacy/files/SchoolBudgetBriefFINAL.pdf
From the state of Ohio.
http://www.lsc.state.oh.us/fiscal/ohiofacts/jan2001/ohiosk-12schools.pdf
i'm always right baby.......by this time there should be no doubters......RW, the great white noise machine, notwithstanding........teachers and their union pals are bleeding the system for every last penny they can steal.....time to roll back the communist ideology and reform the system from top to bottom...i trust you will be sending Iron Chink junior to private school...... :ugeek:
Okay I'm done trying to educate troglodytes on the inner workings of school board budgeting. What a huge waste of my time.
Uggggg.
Quote from: "Real Woman"
Uggggg.
I was happy about the information you posted Rea Woman..
I never how schools are funded before..
Would Alberta be the same, do you know Real Woman?
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Uggggg.
relax sweetpea.....i'm sorta fucking with you......i spent 30 years as an investment banker...i've held every designation there is to hold in the financial services industry....i breathe budgets and know how they are manipulated to provide the numbers the boss wants to see...so telling me about a bias set of financial statements means absolutely nothing...the only numbers that count are dollars in and dollars out......the rest is just smoke.......so take a deep breath and stand at ease soldier...... :ugeek:
Quote from: "Obvious Li"
i'm always right baby.......by this time there should be no doubters......RW, the great white noise machine, notwithstanding........teachers and their union pals are bleeding the system for every last penny they can steal.....time to roll back the communist ideology and reform the system from top to bottom...
Oh fuck yeah. It's a form of child abuse to send your kids to the government system if you can afford better.
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Quote from: "Real Woman"
Uggggg.
relax sweetpea.....i'm sorta fucking with you......i spent 30 years as an investment banker...i've held every designation there is to hold in the financial services industry....i breathe budgets and know how they are manipulated to provide the numbers the boss wants to see...so telling me about a bias set of financial statements means absolutely nothing...the only numbers that count are dollars in and dollars out......the rest is just smoke.......so take a deep breath and stand at ease soldier...... :ugeek:
I know accounting is creative to show more is needed or a cut is inevitable. With the teachers situation in BC, the only thing I can say is that public sector unions are not in the interests of the general public. I have no issue with those in the private sector that organize for collective bargaining purposes.
Where is Real Woman these days?
I miss her.
:(
Quote from: "Fashionista"
I miss her.
:(
Relax, I checked VF and she's around.
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I miss her.
:(
Im sure its tough being brilliant, sexy, and confident and still be able to post on threads. ;)
maybe she went camping with her hubby and kids?
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I miss her.
:(
Im sure its tough being brilliant, sexy, and confident and still be able to post on threads. ;)
maybe she went camping with her hubby and kids?
I have never had a problem doing it all. ;)
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I miss her.
:(
her nose is out of joint cause i kicked her ass one more time in the education debate...she should learn to lose gracefully.....it happens again and again when she buts heads with munday...no surprise here..... :ugeek:
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I miss her.
:(
her nose is out of joint cause i kicked her ass one more time in the education debate...she should learn to lose gracefully.....it happens again and again when she buts heads with munday...no surprise here..... :ugeek:
I don't know the issue very well Obvious Li, but it appeared Real Woman had a solid grasp of public education.
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Quote from: "Fashionista"
I miss her.
:(
Im sure its tough being brilliant, sexy, and confident and still be able to post on threads. ;)
maybe she went camping with her hubby and kids?
Aren't you just a gem! Keeper indeed :)
You didn't kick my ass at anything Munday nor could you, especially public education. I admit I did grow tired of explaining a system to people who honestly don't give a shit about understanding it. I prefer to debate reality.
Aside from that, it is summer and there are many beautiful lakes around that I must grace with my naked body. I got a Brazilian for the occassion. I don't recommend it.
I also just got back from my semi-annual drug pumping visit out at UBC. I'm still sick from it but I still find it more tolerable than the educational ignorance that is rampant here. Haha
Anyway, I'm around just not as much as usual.
"Anyway, I'm around just not as much as usual."
^ for some reason, I kept reading im aroused, went back 3 times, yup......
Quote from: "Real Woman"
I also just got back from my semi-annual drug pumping visit out at UBC. I'm still sick from it but I still find it more tolerable than the educational ignorance that is rampant here. Haha
Anyway, I'm around just not as much as usual.
An ass-lift? Haha, just kidding.
I know there are so many summer outdoor activities where you live. I'm glad you are taking advantage of them.
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for some reason, I kept reading im aroused, went back 3 times, yup......
I have no doubt that is how you chose to read it Keeps. ;) :lol:
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Quote from: "Fashionista"
I miss her.
:(
Im sure its tough being brilliant, sexy, and confident and still be able to post on threads. ;)
maybe she went camping with her hubby and kids?
Aren't you just a gem! Keeper indeed :)
You didn't kick my ass at anything Munday nor could you, especially public education. I admit I did grow tired of explaining a system to people who honestly don't give a shit about understanding it. I prefer to debate reality.
Aside from that, it is summer and there are many beautiful lakes around that I must grace with my naked body.
I also just got back from my semi-annual drug pumping visit out at UBC. I'm still sick from it but I still find it more tolerable than the educational ignorance that is rampant here. Haha
Anyway, I'm around just not as much as usual.
Did you scream, and how white were your knuckles when they were done?????? :lol:
It was so shockingly painful that I burst out laughing. The lady doing it thought I was insane but it was all I could do!
The end result is lovely though.
Quote from: "Real Woman"
The end result is lovely though.
It didn't happen if there's no pictures!!!!! :o :o :o :o :o :o
Quote from: "Real Woman"
The end result is lovely though.
It's so nice to see you again Real Woman.
:)
Nice to see you too Fash.
Then it definitely happened Keeps ;)
Renee, you really should have warned me haha
Shen, there is no hope for this pancake ass.
Quote from: "Real Woman"
Then it definitely happened Keeps ;)
Renee, you really should have warned me haha
Shen, there is no hope for this pancake ass.
I'm afraid a pancake ass is a strike against you if you want to ride on my surf board.
I don't so it works out.
Quote from: "Real Woman"
The end result is lovely though.
Yes it is but it gets better the second, third, etc. time around; mostly because you know what to expect and not because it's any less painful. If you ever have it done again take a few Advil beforehand or have a few glasses of wine.
BTW, I don't think I've ever heard about someone laughing while getting a Brazilian. That's definitely a first; most scream, squeal, cry or if you are like me, grit your teeth until you crack a molar. :lol:
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Quote from: "Real Woman"
Then it definitely happened Keeps ;)
Renee, you really should have warned me haha
Shen, there is no hope for this pancake ass.
I'm afraid a pancake ass is a strike against you if you want to ride on my surf board.
Do you mean you lend out your surf board to people based on the shape of their derriere?
:o
Quote from: "Renee"
Quote from: "Real Woman"
The end result is lovely though.
Yes it is but it gets better the second, third, etc. time around; mostly because you know what to expect and not because it's any less painful. If you ever have it done again take a few Advil beforehand or have a few glasses of wine.
BTW, I don't think I've ever heard about someone laughing while getting a Brazilian. That's definitely a first; most scream, squeal, cry or if you are like me, grit your teeth until you crack a molar. :lol:
I think I had a "OH! The joke's on ME!" moment and I thought it was hilarious.
Quote from: "Renee"
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The end result is lovely though.
Yes it is but it gets better the second, third, etc. time around; mostly because you know what to expect and not because it's any less painful. If you ever have it done again take a few Advil beforehand or have a few glasses of wine.
BTW, I don't think I've ever heard about someone laughing while getting a Brazilian. That's definitely a first; most scream, squeal, cry or if you are like me, grit your teeth until you crack a molar. :lol:
Haha, it must suck being a hairy white chick!! ;) :lol:
It's the only thing I hate about being Italian.
Quote from: "Real Woman"
Italians are good looking people....not as hawt as Han Chinese though. ;)
Srsly, old Vesna is gong to be calling you an anti-Italian bigot for implying you guys are hairy. I'm sure that really worries you too. :lol:
I love Hairy (groomed) Chicks, I say BRING BACK THE 70'S, Whos with me!!!!!!!!
She can foot my hair removal bill if she gives me any lip (preferably waxed). Hehe
You're on your own Keeps
Quote from: "Real Woman"
You are an anti-Italian racist.....according to old Vesna.
LOL.. Then I'm anti-white.
Quote from: "Real Woman"
See, you and I have more in common than you thought. ;)
OMG! I'm dying laughing over here!
Quote from: "Real Woman"
Who doesn't love a good Sunday morning chuckle??
hahahahaha
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That old white troll joe did everything, but leave his calling card here. Like Renee said, must be a slow day over on VF.