as a life long people watcher and student of the human condition i have always felt that the vast vast majority of people were so stupid as to be unable to survive without help.....the older i get i now realize that i underestimated the numbers and that the vast vast vast majority of people are too stupid to be allowed to meaningfully participate in society......ie: control it's destiny...i mean these people should be allowed to go about their daily business..it's just they should have no say in how it operates.....
i am more and more leaning to the centuries old tried and true test for determining who should be allowed to vote in a functioning democracy...property owners, men of means, title etc., taxpayers....these groups are the only ones capable and with sufficient interest and knowledge in governance to decide it's outcome.....others are just too stupid and dull to rationally study and adjudicate an issue and decide it's outcome based on the merits....allowing ignorance, greed and vested interests to control the outcome of political governance in this country has lead to it's demise from what it was originally envisioned......today, Canada is a failed experiment in social engineering.....an experiment gone horribly wrong....govt. involvement in peoples lives has been an unmitigated disaster....failing, and failing badly on all efforts. We now have in excess of 50% of the population dependent on govt. for some form of their monetary compensation...this was a deliberate and well thought plan by Trudeau and his socialist fellow travelers to enslave the population into a life of govt. dependance....it has worked brilliantly...people now look to govt. assistance as a "right"........not an earned "right".....but a deserved "right".....the few remaining real earners are egregiously taxed and shamed into supporting those unwilling to support themselves...this situation is untenable and will eventually collapse under it's own folly
i will add my thoughts at a later date regarding recent studies detailing the correlation between IQ, race and it's predictable outcomes for society......
comment if you wish.......if not, thats cool..at least it gave me something to do for 10 minutes.... :ugeek:
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i am more and more leaning to the centuries old tried and true test for determining who should be allowed to vote in a functioning democracy...property owners, men of means, title etc., taxpayers....these groups are the only ones capable and with sufficient interest and knowledge in governance to decide it's outcome.....others are just too stupid and dull to rationally study and adjudicate an issue and decide it's outcome based on the merits....allowing ignorance, greed and vested interests to control the outcome of political governance in this country has lead to it's demise from what it was originally envisioned......today, Canada is a failed experiment in social engineering.....an experiment gone horribly wrong....govt. involvement in peoples lives has been an unmitigated disaster....failing, and failing badly on all efforts. We now have in excess of 50% of the population dependent on govt. for some form of their monetary compensation...this was a deliberate and well thought plan by Trudeau and his socialist fellow travelers to enslave the population into a life of govt. dependance....it has worked brilliantly...people now look to govt. assistance as a "right"........not an earned "right".....but a deserved "right".....the few remaining real earners are egregiously taxed and shamed into supporting those unwilling to support themselves...this situation is untenable and will eventually collapse under it's own folly
i will add my thoughts at a later date regarding recent studies detailing the correlation between IQ, race and it's predictable outcomes for society......
comment if you wish.......if not, thats cool..at least it gave me something to do for 10 minutes.... :ugeek:
I agree 100% with your assessment. One of the reasons the US is now saddled with a feckless, clueless leader is because of people who should not have the right to vote.
The following are paraphrased quotes that I witness on social media like Twitter and Facebook during the last US presidential election cycle.
"I got to vote for my Bro Obama because I got to protect my food stamps."
"My mom raised 5 kids on welfare and she is a saint. Romney thinks my mom is scum."
Then consider the fact that in the inner cities, with primarily minority voter precincts and where the population is overwhelmingly dependent on the government dole, they went almost 100% for Obama. In fact they voted in droves which was not normal for their demographic and as we are finding out now, sometimes twice. In some limited cases even their dead relatives cast a vote. :x
As you can see the problem is not just limited to Canada. Your neighbor to the south struggles with the same issue.
I read that the Newfoundland Liberal party passed a motion that would allow 16 year olds to vote. Do you fucking believe that shit? People at their dumbest fucking age deciding how my hard earned dollars will be spent?
Voting should be restricted to people with skin in the game. Extending the vote to even more people who should not be allowed to decide anything sounds fair, but it is actually the exact opposite. Voting should be a privilege earned, not a right.
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That would include you. You've received thousands from the government in recent years alone. I haven't. Perhaps I shall decide that you don't have a right to vote. But as a proud liberal I believe all citizens have rights.
The people you don't like didn't suddenly appear out of nowhere. You're simply becoming more grumpy old man as you get older.
You're not better than your fellow Canadians. Disallowing citizens from their right to vote does not make a democracy. It's you who is out of touch with this country's values and what our vets have fought for.
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What's with the political correctness? Just say they're blacks or African Americans.
Over 90% of African Americans always vote Democrat. Voting is "not normal" for their "demographic"? Wow. You actually have a problem with blacks voting too much. No, dead people have never voted, let alone twice.
Obama didn't win the election because of some fake Facebook post you saw. More women, Hispanics, Asians, young adults and Catholics also voted for Obama over Romney. Do you believe they shouldn't have the right to vote too?
What a poor loser and how unAmerican. Your Founding Fathers would be aghast.
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Can't think of a more racist situation when one group becomes an automatic.
yes to all of the above...the only people that want to increase voter participation are those at the trough.....they know that braindead youths will buttress their demands for more and more lolly....i agree on the USA Renee, and in fact you may be worse off than we are...most of your citizens actually believe they live in a democracy.....one look at the electoral college voting system would quickly dissuade then of that idea.....the system is irreparably broken and no amount of tinkering will repair it....we now have one, soon to be two, generations raised under this system of govt. control and largesse...once the current older generation passes there will be no one alive who can tell people what it was like when we were at least marginally a free society...that is tragic
i used to get a chuckle when obama was first elected.....when black people were interviewed from the man on the street to oprah they all said the same thing...they were voting for obama because he was black.....when they interviewed a white person and he said he would not vote for obama because he was black.......they called him a racist................the logic really puzzles me
Renee, I would argue stupidity is how you got Bush, not Obama.
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That would include you. You've received thousands from the government in recent years alone. I haven't. Perhaps I shall decide that you don't have a right to vote. But as a proud liberal I believe all citizens have rights.
The people you don't like didn't suddenly appear out of nowhere. You're simply becoming more grumpy old man as you get older.
You're not better than your fellow Canadians. Disallowing citizens from their right to vote does not make a democracy. It's you who is out of touch with this country's values and what our vets have fought for.
Homy...don't be silly.....i collect UNEMPLOYMENT INSURANCE in the winter...insurance by it's definition means someone, in this case me, has paid a premium to be insured from a layoff...when the layoff occurs i submit my INSURANCE claim and start receiving my insurance......no tax dollars are involved....as a matter of fact the federal govt. steals billions every year from the EI fund to cover handouts to undeserving layabouts and moochers........money that could be used to increase my insurance payouts
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Both actually.
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Both actually.
Absolutely ..... looking @ the country stats today and the state of the world today, they managed to go from blatantly quite bad to insidiously several times worse.
It has not been a good century for the US so far ... and growing worse rapidly.
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Can't think of a more racist situation when one group becomes an automatic.
It was over 90% I believe for Obama in both 2008 and 2012. I wonder how much that would change if the GOP selected either Dr Ben Carson(my fave) or Allan West(your fave) as their prez nominee in 2016?
Not much. They have already been pre- indoctinated ... "Uncle Toms" = far worse than the whites they racially will not vote for
Actually I have great respect for Ben, and he is a better choice - as to West, I have a great document of his positions .. will post it in a while
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Actually I have great respect for Ben, and he is a better choice - as to West, I have a great document of his positions .. will post it in a while
Oh, I get it now. White establishment Dems will paint either one of these stellar potential candidates as stooges of the white man? Fucking disgusting!! :x
I don't know much about West, so I look forward to reading about him.
They have already done it- pre-indoctrinated the flock
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What's with the political correctness? Just say they're blacks or African Americans.
Over 90% of African Americans always vote Democrat. Voting is "not normal" for their "demographic"? Wow. You actually have a problem with blacks voting too much. No, dead people have never voted, let alone twice.
Obama didn't win the election because of some fake Facebook post you saw. More women, Hispanics, Asians, young adults and Catholics also voted for Obama over Romney. Do you believe they shouldn't have the right to vote too?
What a poor loser and how unAmerican. Your Founding Fathers would be aghast.
No our founding fathers were all about being self-sufficient. If they were aghast at anything, they would be aghast at how government dependent many segments of the US population have become. When James Madison and the founding fathers wrote The US Constitution there was no such thing as a welfare state in America. Everyone needed to be self-sufficient or they starved. There was no such thing as voting yourself more entitlements on the backs of the taxpayers.
It was never a given that everyone in the US had the right to vote. It wasn't until the 14th amendment in 1868 that blacks were granted citizenship rights and it wasn't until the 15th Amendment in 1870 that they were given the right to vote. Even though the emancipation proclamation (1863) technically freed all slaves in 10 states they weren't granted voting rights.
Before the expansion of the welfare state in the 1960s black America overwhelmingly voted independently with a strong leaning toward conservatism. It's only since they have become dependent on the dole that they vote on the dementocrat side of the ticket.
The black community in America is a failed community because of the democrats. Many black leaders as well as many people in the black community are waking up to that fact; especially since Obama took office and did absolutely nothing to help them out of the current situation. Even Rev. Al Sharpton has said that the dems treat the blacks like chattel; using them for votes but ignoring their needs. To this day unemployment in the black community is twice that of whites and black youth unemployment is over 30%. They are a dependent community voting strictly to keep the gravy train moving in their direction and I can assure you that our founding fathers would NOT be pleased.
Voting should be a privilege and reserved for those who contribute to the welfare of the nation. Cling-ons and system leeches are nothing more than liabilities and should not have a say in determining the needs or direction of the country. If you want a say in how things get done then you need to get a job and either pay taxes or in some way work for your government benefits. In other words have some skin in the game.
Of course this does not include the disabled, the elderly or the handicapped.
Bill Clinton had it right when he tried to reform welfare, unfortunately his efforts have been watered down over the years and most notably by the Odoe-doe administration.
Oh and as for your idiotic statement that no one voted twice; he's a woman who was convicted in Ohio for voting twice for Obama and there is an indication that he may have voted as many as SIX times for Obama. Twice under her own name and 4 other times under assumed names.
http://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2013/02/19/updated-ohio-poll-worker-voted-for-obama6-times-n1515548#!
BTW the convicted also sat on a board for an organization that recieved an EPA grant from the Odunce Admin. Funny how that works?
http://dailycaller.com/2014/03/24/six-time-obama-voters-group-received-obama-administration-grant/#!
Here is another conviction in Milwaukee
http://www.jsonline.com/news/crime/milwaukee-double-voter-avoids-prison-but-must-serve-9-months-in-jail-b99217983z1-248387411.html
And here is an article regarding cracking down on the practice of being registered to vote in multiple states.
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2004/10/people_who_vote_twice.html
So don't make ignorant statements. Once again you have NO idea what you are talking about and you are making yourself look comical.
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Slander the candidate before they are chosen eh?
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That would include you. You've received thousands from the government in recent years alone. I haven't. Perhaps I shall decide that you don't have a right to vote. But as a proud liberal I believe all citizens have rights.
The people you don't like didn't suddenly appear out of nowhere. You're simply becoming more grumpy old man as you get older.
You're not better than your fellow Canadians. Disallowing citizens from their right to vote does not make a democracy. It's you who is out of touch with this country's values and what our vets have fought for.
Homy...don't be silly.....i collect UNEMPLOYMENT INSURANCE in the winter...insurance by it's definition means someone, in this case me, has paid a premium to be insured from a layoff...when the layoff occurs i submit my INSURANCE claim and start receiving my insurance......no tax dollars are involved....as a matter of fact the federal govt. steals billions every year from the EI fund to cover handouts to undeserving layabouts and moochers........money that could be used to increase my insurance payouts
You spend a whole season on the dole? Holy fuck is that ever priceless!
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Blacks are never going to be banned from voting because you personally believe they're failures. The idea of banning blacks from voting is ridiculous.
Voter fraud is extremely rare and it's not as if white conservatives haven't tried either.
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Blacks are never going to be banned from voting because you personally believe they're failures. The idea of banning blacks from voting is ridiculous.
Romero,
You know that's not what she was saying. She was talking about racial politics in the USA and how the Dems take the African-American vote for granted even though haven't earned it.
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Blacks are never going to be banned from voting because you personally believe they're failures. The idea of banning blacks from voting is ridiculous.
Romero,
You know that's not what she was saying. She was talking about racial politics in the USA and how the Dems take the African-American vote for granted even though haven't earned it.
It is what she's saying. That's a direct quote. It's not the first times she's said it.
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Blacks are never going to be banned from voting because you personally believe they're failures. The idea of banning blacks from voting is ridiculous.
Romero,
You know that's not what she was saying. She was talking about racial politics in the USA and how the Dems take the African-American vote for granted even though haven't earned it.
It is what she's saying. That's a direct quote. It's not the first times she's said it.
Let's let Renee come back and state here that she favours banning votes based solely on race/skin colour. Then I will believe she's as extreme as you say.
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70% of the prison inmates in the US are black. I wonder what racial demographic makes up the bulk of the illiterate inmates. :eyebrow:
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Wait, first urban blacks don't vote and now they vote too much? Is there anything they can do right for Renee?
Renee is a big girl(no pun intended ;) ). Let's let her answer my question herself.
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Blacks are never going to be banned from voting because you personally believe they're failures. The idea of banning blacks from voting is ridiculous.
Romero,
You know that's not what she was saying. She was talking about racial politics in the USA and how the Dems take the African-American vote for granted even though haven't earned it.
Thank you, Shen.
Unfortunately Romero isn't interested in debating the actual issue, he is only interested in liberal hysterics. He is the same kind of individual who opposes voter ID's in the US.
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That would include you. You've received thousands from the government in recent years alone. I haven't. Perhaps I shall decide that you don't have a right to vote. But as a proud liberal I believe all citizens have rights.
The people you don't like didn't suddenly appear out of nowhere. You're simply becoming more grumpy old man as you get older.
You're not better than your fellow Canadians. Disallowing citizens from their right to vote does not make a democracy. It's you who is out of touch with this country's values and what our vets have fought for.
Homy...don't be silly.....i collect UNEMPLOYMENT INSURANCE in the winter...insurance by it's definition means someone, in this case me, has paid a premium to be insured from a layoff...when the layoff occurs i submit my INSURANCE claim and start receiving my insurance......no tax dollars are involved....as a matter of fact the federal govt. steals billions every year from the EI fund to cover handouts to undeserving layabouts and moochers........money that could be used to increase my insurance payouts
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i spend half of every year collecting EI.....as does my wife........it is one of my proudest accomplishments.....i love this country.............. :mrgreen:
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70% of the prison inmates in the US are black. I wonder what racial demographic makes up the bulk of the illiterate inmates. :eyebrow:
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Wait, first urban blacks don't vote and now they vote too much? Is there anything they can do right for Renee?
Show me were I'm wrong in any of those statements. You can't and all you can do is cast hysterical aspersions of racism like a typical little brainwashed prog. :lol:
BTW it's nice to see that you are still obsessed with my posts. I'm flattered that I have my own little "Romero cries racism" file on your server. I must being doing something right.
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Stereotyping and denigrating blacks is wrong. It's wrong for Odinson and it's wrong for you.
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i spend half of every year collecting EI.....as does my wife........it is one of my proudest accomplishments.....i love this country.............. :mrgreen:
Wait a mine here....I thought repeat users had to take a job now....any job? As long as that job pays at least 70% of their wages.
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Stereotyping and denigrating blacks is wrong. It's wrong for Odinson and it's wrong for you.
Again, show me where I'm wrong or STFU.
These are societal realities in the US. It's not my problem if you want to live with your head up your ass.
BTW, I knew my post would bring you a running and crying like a little bitch. I obviously own you.
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Stereotyping and denigrating blacks is wrong. It's wrong for Odinson and it's wrong for you.
Don't compare our Renee to that drunken lunatic oddstain. Oddstain hates black men period. Renee hates a system that keeps far too many blacks uneducated, incarcerated and on the dole all for political reasons.
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70% of the prison inmates in the US are black. I wonder what racial demographic makes up the bulk of the illiterate inmates. :eyebrow:
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Wait, first urban blacks don't vote and now they vote too much? Is there anything they can do right for Renee?
who in good conscience could disagree with any of the above statement from Renee...all accurate...all true
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Renee is arguing that blacks should not have the right to vote. Odinson would approve.
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Renee is arguing that blacks should not have the right to vote. Odinson would approve.
Romero hysterical accusations don't make you look knowledgable or even remotely informed and they certainly don't win debates. They just make you look like exactly what you are.....out of your league.
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i spend half of every year collecting EI.....as does my wife........it is one of my proudest accomplishments.....i love this country.............. :mrgreen:
Wait a mine here....I thought repeat users had to take a job now....any job? As long as that job pays at least 70% of their wages.
nah princess....i live in an area where there are lots of injuns....injuns are exempt from white mans laws....especially gun laws.....so i am able to qualify using their preferential treatment for this area......did i not say I LOVE this country....did i not say i LOVE what this country has become...truthfully i should tip my hat to those looney progressives for entrenching the insanity so firmly in the beuracraucy...it is a marvel to behold at it's finest.
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Then consider the fact that in the inner cities, with primarily minority voter precincts and where the population is overwhelmingly dependent on the government dole, they went almost 100% for Obama.
As you can see the problem is not just limited to Canada. Your neighbor to the south struggles with the same issue.
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We now have in excess of 50% of the population dependent on govt. for some form of their monetary compensation...
it has worked brilliantly...people now look to govt. assistance as a "right"........not an earned "right".....but a deserved "right".....
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Stereotyping and denigrating blacks is wrong. It's wrong for Odinson and it's wrong for you.
Don't compare our Renee to that drunken lunatic oddstain. Oddstain hates black men period. Renee hates a system that keeps far too many blacks uneducated, incarcerated and on the dole all for political reasons.
Unfortunately that's the system that people like Romero believe in and will do anything to keep it in place.
Romero wants to hide and deflect the issue by saying I am racist toward blacks. The reality is he knows that's not true and he is simply trying to protect the liberal crafted mess that the black community finds itself in. Why, because of votes and I have a real problem with anyone be it common citizen or politician who thinks in such a self-serving devious manner. Anyone who wants to exploit and entire community of people so that they can fulfil a sociopolitical agenda is scum in my book.
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Blacks haven't been "crafted" by liberals. They're allowed to vote for whoever they want and don't require your approval. You don't see them complaining about you being white and conservative.
African Americans don't vote for Democrats or Obama because they expect government handouts. That is a racist stereotype.
Looking @ the last few pages, it's more than just "own". Renee has her initials branded / burned deep into his ass
WTF drives him anyhow? Is it 1. deliberate distortion (highly unethical to the point of sleaze), or is it 2. just an inability to understand straightforward concepts? or is it 3. that he cannot handle true facts that go against how he "wants" to see the world, so "plays" what others say?
Or is it bits of "all the above"?
Communism sounded good on paper.
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Homy...don't be silly.....i collect UNEMPLOYMENT INSURANCE in the winter...insurance by it's definition means someone, in this case me, has paid a premium to be insured from a layoff...when the layoff occurs i submit my INSURANCE claim and start receiving my insurance......no tax dollars are involved....as a matter of fact the federal govt. steals billions every year from the EI fund to cover handouts to undeserving layabouts and moochers........money that could be used to increase my insurance payouts
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i spend half of every year collecting EI.....as does my wife........it is one of my proudest accomplishments.....i love this country.............. :mrgreen:
Again - PRICELESS!
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i spend half of every year collecting EI.....as does my wife........it is one of my proudest accomplishments.....i love this country.............. :mrgreen:
Again - PRICELESS!
thank you cupcake...... :D
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WTF drives him anyhow? Is it 1. deliberate distortion (highly unethical to the point of sleaze), or is it 2. just an inability to understand straightforward concepts? or is it 3. that he cannot handle true facts that go against how he "wants" to see the world, so "plays" what others say?
Or is it bits of "all the above"?
who knows with Homy.....he has been fucked up for years...totally incoherent posts......consistently detached from reality.......but we know that...... :mrgreen:
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Stereotyping and denigrating blacks is wrong. It's wrong for Odinson and it's wrong for you.
Don't compare our Renee to that drunken lunatic oddstain. Oddstain hates black men period. Renee hates a system that keeps far too many blacks uneducated, incarcerated and on the dole all for political reasons.
Unfortunately that's the system that people like Romero believe in and will do anything to keep it in place.
Romero wants to hide and deflect the issue by saying
I want you to know Renee, I have never thought that about you.
Pffft! She's totally racist!
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She is?
Renee challenged Odinson's racial hatred more often than anyone else when he was here.
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She is?
Renee challenged Odinson's racial hatred more often than anyone else when he was here.
don't take it personal Fash.....RW is afflicted with racist chemtrails syndrome..in their world there is a racist behind every tree and hiding under every park bench.....when someone offends you, cry racist and let loose the dogs of shame
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She is?
Renee challenged Odinson's racial hatred more often than anyone else when he was here.
don't take it personal Fash.....RW is afflicted with racist chemtrails syndrome..in their world there is a racist behind every tree and hiding under every park bench.....when someone offends you, cry racist and let loose the dogs of shame
I don't think the lovely Real Woman does that Obvious Li..
I think Real Woman does not like that at all..
She recently said she did not like it when Shen Li used race as a defence on another forum.
I was being sarcastic :)
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She is?
Renee challenged Odinson's racial hatred more often than anyone else when he was here.
Rene is a typical, big mouthed white American pig. Her breed is the reason North American men are turning our backs on white women. I feel sorry for her husband or boyfriend.
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She is?
Renee challenged Odinson's racial hatred more often than anyone else when he was here.
Rene is a typical, big mouthed white American pig. Her breed is the reason North American men are turning our backs on white women. I feel sorry for her husband or boyfriend.
normally i wouldn't respond to this trollbait.....but i do because it gives me an opportunity to say once again how much i admire Renee for her brains, wit beauty and charm.....signed, a big Renee fan........ :)
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She is?
Renee challenged Odinson's racial hatred more often than anyone else when he was here.
Rene is a typical, big mouthed white American pig. Her breed is the reason North American men are turning our backs on white women. I feel sorry for her husband or boyfriend.
Oh shut up you douchebag.
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WTF drives him anyhow? Is it 1. deliberate distortion (highly unethical to the point of sleaze), or is it 2. just an inability to understand straightforward concepts? or is it 3. that he cannot handle true facts that go against how he "wants" to see the world, so "plays" what others say?
Or is it bits of "all the above"?
My vote is #3. I don't think Romero is sleazy and I don't think he is stupid. Romero is a "true believer". If the truth doesn't fit the agenda he gets his panties in a wad and he will do and say anything to try and defend what he believes; even if it means making an ass out of himself. He is very well intentioned but at times very wrong as well.
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She is?
Renee challenged Odinson's racial hatred more often than anyone else when he was here.
Rene is a typical, big mouthed white American pig. Her breed is the reason North American men are turning our backs on white women. I feel sorry for her husband or boyfriend.
normally i wouldn't respond to this trollbait.....but i do because it gives me an opportunity to say once again how much i admire Renee for her brains, wit beauty and charm.....signed, a big Renee fan........ :)
I appreciate the adulation OL; I really do. :D
But you should always go with your gut when it comes to trolls like BWD. He is just another run of the mill, leg humping, douche fishing for a reaction. It's pretty obvious that his mommy didn't hug her precious little snowflake enough.
Signed Renee, "a typical, big mouthed white American pig" :lol:
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She is?
Renee challenged Odinson's racial hatred more often than anyone else when he was here.
Rene is a typical, big mouthed white American pig. Her breed is the reason North American men are turning our backs on white women. I feel sorry for her husband or boyfriend.
normally i wouldn't respond to this trollbait.....but i do because it gives me an opportunity
I am also a Renee admirer..
She's very intelligent, humourous, tough when needed and charming.
:)
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WTF drives him anyhow? Is it 1. deliberate distortion (highly unethical to the point of sleaze), or is it 2. just an inability to understand straightforward concepts? or is it 3. that he cannot handle true facts that go against how he "wants" to see the world, so "plays" what others say?
Or is it bits of "all the above"?
My vote is #3. I don't think Romero is sleazy and I don't think he is stupid.
Yeah, that's how I see it too. Overall, he's a decent dude and this forum would not be the same without him. He's polite, which is a refreshing change from the asshole lefties like EU and Pat. Then again us righties are not always ice cream and sunny skies. Spartacus comes to mind. Even me, the Iron Chink am not always sweeter than fucking sugar!! ;)
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On the contrary, it's your panties in a wad over your fellow citizens including African Americans right to vote. It actually angers you. Insisting that citizens and minorities you don't like shouldn't be able to vote is an agenda. I'm simply defending Canadian and American values.
I'm definitely not wrong according to your Founding Fathers, Constitution and common sense. The idea that only "men of means" should be allowed to vote is ridiculous. Canada and the US are democracies.
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She is?
Renee challenged Odinson's racial hatred more often than anyone else when he was here.
Rene is a typical, big mouthed white American pig. Her breed is the reason North American men are turning our backs on white women. I feel sorry for her husband or boyfriend.
normally i wouldn't respond to this trollbait.....but i do because it gives me an opportunity to say once again how much i admire Renee for her brains, wit beauty and charm.....signed, a big Renee fan........ :)
You need to get out of Canada if you think Renee is a beauty.
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Rene is a typical, big mouthed white American pig. Her breed is the reason North American men are turning our backs on white women. I feel sorry for her husband or boyfriend.
normally i wouldn't respond to this trollbait.....but i do because it gives me an opportunity to say once again how much i admire Renee for her brains, wit beauty and charm.....signed, a big Renee fan........ :)
You need to get out of Canada if you think Renee is a beauty.
oh don't worry big dave......i still know where to fish for the trophies......everyone has their honey hole..... :mrgreen:
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I'm definitely not wrong according to your Founding Fathers, Constitution and common sense. The idea that only "men of means" should be allowed to vote is ridiculous. Canada and the US are democracies.
All you do is take the statements from the opposing argument and state the opposite. It doesn't matter how stupid or inane you look doing it as long as you get to run your yap. Debating you is like debating Pee Wee Herman and you make about as much sense. That's your typical M.O. You're a one note diversionary idiot with IKYABWAI comeback for everything.
What you know about the founding fathers of the US and their sociopolitical point of view could be put into a thimble and there would still be room left over. You have absolutely NO clue what you are saying. If the concept of voting rights were totally inclusionary mean everyone was naturally granted the right to vote then WHY did is take almost 150 years for WOMEN to be granted the right to vote in the US?
You're just a far left babbling stooge and I think its best that you shut up and stop embarrassing yourself.
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I'm definitely not wrong according to your Founding Fathers, Constitution and common sense. The idea that only "men of means" should be allowed to vote is ridiculous. Canada and the US are democracies.
All you do is take the statements from the opposing argument and state the opposite. It doesn't matter how stupid or inane you look doing it as long as you get to run your yap. Debating you is like debating Pee Wee Herman and you make about as much sense. That's your typical M.O. You're a one note diversionary idiot with IKYABWAI comeback for everything.
What you know about the founding fathers of the US and their sociopolitical point of view could be put into a thimble and there would still be room left over. You have absolutely NO clue what you are saying. If the concept of voting rights were totally inclusionary mean everyone was naturally granted the right to vote then WHY did is take almost 150 years for WOMEN to be granted the right to vote in the US?
You're just a far left babbling stooge and I think its best that you shut up and stop embarrassing yourself.
It's silly because you have never said voting should come with race restrictions. Your whole point is how the US Democratic party has taken the black vote for granted. In fact, they have no desire to see them move further up the economic food chain. Keep em poor, uneducated and dependent is in the interests of the jackassass party.
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I'm definitely not wrong according to your Founding Fathers, Constitution and common sense. The idea that only "men of means" should be allowed to vote is ridiculous. Canada and the US are democracies.
All you do is take the statements from the opposing argument and state the opposite. It doesn't matter how stupid or inane you look doing it as long as you get to run your yap. Debating you is like debating Pee Wee Herman and you make about as much sense. That's your typical M.O. You're a one note diversionary idiot with IKYABWAI comeback for everything.
What you know about the founding fathers of the US and their sociopolitical point of view could be put into a thimble and there would still be room left over. You have absolutely NO clue what you are saying. If the concept of voting rights were totally inclusionary mean everyone was naturally granted the right to vote then WHY did is take almost 150 years for WOMEN to be granted the right to vote in the US?
You're just a far left babbling stooge and I think its best that you shut up and stop embarrassing yourself.
It's silly because you have never said voting should come with race restrictions. Your whole point is how the US Democratic party has taken the black vote for granted. In fact, they have no desire to see them move further up the economic food chain. Keep em poor, uneducated and dependent is in the interests of the jackassass party.
Romero will never get it because he is a brainwashed liberal dolt. He thinks I'm upset about blacks voting when the reality is that I'm upset about the black community being made into dependent uneducated poverty stricken chumps by a group of disingenuous politicians for the sake of an agenda. Furthermore he thinks that our founding fathers were of the opinion that voting rights were just some kind of God given right no matter whom or what you were in society. That is patently false and the prime example is that woman in the 18th, 19th and early 20th centuries did not have the right to vote and didn't have the right to vote until 1920 with the ratification of the 19th Amendment.
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Romero will never get it because he is a brainwashed liberal dolt. He thinks I'm upset about blacks voting when the reality is that
We all get it Renee, including Romero himself.
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Romero will never get it because he is a brainwashed liberal dolt. He thinks I'm upset about blacks voting when the reality is that
We all get it Renee, including Romero himself.
I think you give him waaaaay too much credit. :lol:
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Romero will never get it because he is a brainwashed liberal dolt. He thinks I'm upset about blacks voting when the reality is that
We all get it Renee, including Romero himself.
I think you give him waaaaay too much credit. :lol:
Unless he has a learning disability, he knows what you meant just like anyone else does.
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Why so upset? It's just a little discussion.
Nope, you're the one with the opposing argument. African Americans, other minorities and the poor aren't banned from voting, are they? Equal rights are enshrined in your Constitution. No politician or court would dare entertain the idea of taking voting rights away based on race or income.
The vast majority of Americans are against taking the right to vote away from their fellow citizens. It's not what America and democracy stands for. This makes yours the opposing view.
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Nope, you're the one with the opposing argument. African Americans, other minorities and the poor aren't banned from voting, are they? Equal rights are enshrined in your Constitution. No politician or court would dare entertain the idea of taking voting rights away based on race or income.
The vast majority of Americans are against taking the right to vote away from their fellow citizens. It's not what America and democracy stands for. This makes yours the opposing view.
That's because you keep repeating the same silly line that Renee has not said. She's giving pretty solid examples of how the Democratic party does NOT deserve the African-American vote, but takes it for granted anyway. You are not countering her arguments at all.
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Nope, you're the one with the opposing argument. African Americans, other minorities and the poor aren't banned from voting, are they? Equal rights are enshrined in your Constitution. No politician or court would dare entertain the idea of taking voting rights away based on race or income.
The vast majority of Americans are against taking the right to vote away from their fellow citizens. It's not what America and democracy stands for. This makes yours the opposing view.
I'm not upset. Unfortunately like you most Americans don't understand the history of voting rights in the US or who voting rights were granted to and why. The US Constitution in its original form did not grant anyone the right to vote. It was purposely left ambiguous so that states could decide their own criteria. Originally only Caucasians who owned more than a certain amount of land could vote because they were the main contributors to the agrarian style economy that the US had at the time. Only certain states like NJ allowed women to vote as long as they met the state mandated property ownership requirement. In some states freed slaves could vote only if they also met the property ownership requirement. So as you can see there was consensus throughout the states that only people of means and those who contributed to the welfare of society and supported the government financially thru taxes had the right to vote. All in all almost half the population was barred from voting because they didn't own enough land or paid taxes. It was almost 80 years before that consensus was changed and added to the US Constitution mainly because of the ramifications of the civil war and increased taxation. The idea that voting privileges should only be granted to those who have a stake in where the money is spent is nothing new and in fact it is the concept that laid the original foundation of voting rights in the US.
Whether you know it or not, it is still up to the individual states to deny or allow voting rights regardless of your status as a citizen, your race or gender. All of the states require registration before voting or you cannot vote. Many states require that you register a set number of weeks in advance of a federal election or you cannot vote. Many states do not allow convicted felons to vote and you cannot vote in any state, county, district or town other than the one you are registered in.
Voting rights are not natural rights they are legal rights and being legal rights they are subject to change at the will of the government. It has nothing to do with what American democracy stands for. Like I said previously you like most people in the US don't understand what voting rights are or how they are applied or where they come from. Just because my point of view on this subject is the opposing view it doesn't mean it is wrong; in fact it's the contrary. Popular "opinion" no matter how misinformed it happens to be is not the foundation or the crux of this issue.
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Renee agreed with Obvious Li that certain people they don't like shouldn't be allowed to vote and she included African Americans.
If it's not what she said, why is she disagreeing with my opinion that all American citizens should have a right to vote? This thread is about who Obvious Li and Renee would deny voting to. I'm arguing that all American citizens should have the right to vote and she's claiming that I'm wrong.
See? She's trying to argue that certain people shouldn't have the right to vote even though they're citizens.
Imagine if I said white conservatives shouldn't have the right to vote because they always vote Republican. You'd all rightfully think I was out of my mind.
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Whether you know it or not, it is still up to the individual states to deny or allow voting rights regardless of your status as a citizen, your race or gender. All of the states require registration before voting or you cannot vote. Many states require that you register a set number of weeks in advance of a federal election or you cannot vote. Many states do not allow convicted felons to vote and you cannot vote in any state, county, district or town other than the one you are registered in.
Voting rights are not natural rights they are legal rights and being legal rights they are subject to change at the will of the government. It has nothing to do with what American democracy stands for. Like I said previously you like most people in the US don't understand what voting rights are or how they are applied or where they come from. Just because my point of view on this subject is the opposing view it doesn't mean it is wrong; in fact it's the contrary. Popular "opinion" no matter how misinformed it happens to be is not the foundation or the crux of this issue.
We're talking about now, not a hundred years ago.
All American citizens are equal under the Constitution and all American citizens have the right to vote. It's what Americans have fought for.
There's no going back to the days where women and African Americans were denied their rights. The Supreme Court has ruled those restrictions were unconstitutional.
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Renee agreed with Obvious Li that certain people they don't like shouldn't be allowed to vote and
If it's not what she said, why is she disagreeing with my opinion that all American citizens should have a right to vote? This thread is about who Obvious Li and Renee would deny voting to. I'm arguing that all American citizens should have the right to vote and she's claiming that I'm wrong.
No you are wrong.....Again.
I made a case for excluding those who do not contribute to the welfare of society or fund the government as in those who are chronically on the dole. I only used the inner city portion of the African American community as an example to illustrate my point. I have NO problem with African Americans or any other race voting so long as they are viable contributing members of society. I do not believe that the tax users should have the same say as tax payers when it comes to how the tax money gets spent.
Sorry if you don't like that but what's fair is fair. And since you liberals are all about fairness I would think you would agree. But since you are generally a bunch of hypocrites I don't see that happening any time soon.
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Imagine if I said white conservatives shouldn't have the right to vote because they always vote Republican. You'd all rightfully think I was out of my mind.
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Whether you know it or not, it is still up to the individual states to deny or allow voting rights regardless of your status as a citizen, your race or gender. All of the states require registration before voting or you cannot vote. Many states require that you register a set number of weeks in advance of a federal election or you cannot vote. Many states do not allow convicted felons to vote and you cannot vote in any state, county, district or town other than the one you are registered in.
Voting rights are not natural rights they are legal rights and being legal rights they are subject to change at the will of the government. It has nothing to do with what American democracy stands for. Like I said previously you like most people in the US don't understand what voting rights are or how they are applied or where they come from. Just because my point of view on this subject is the opposing view it doesn't mean it is wrong; in fact it's the contrary. Popular "opinion" no matter how misinformed it happens to be is not the foundation or the crux of this issue.
We're talking about now, not a hundred years ago.
All American citizens are equal under the Constitution and all American citizens have the right to vote. It's what Americans have fought for.
There's no going back to the days where women and African Americans were denied their rights. The Supreme Court has ruled those restrictions were unconstitutional.
Of course we are not going back you dunce. You tried to say that the founding fathers wanted "everyone" to have the right to vote and that it was the premise of voting rights in the US. As usual I proved you to be a big mouthed liberal know nothing. The right to vote is a legal right and not a natural one. Legal rights are not rights at all; they are privilages and can be taken away as easily as they are granted. Unfortunately fools like you don't get this.
Don't waste your time with this tired diversionary crap. The people here are too smart to fall for your usual antics.
"All men are created equal"
The Declaration of Independence and Constitution aren't about creating unequal, separate classes of citizens.
Well, I've already won the argument decades ago anyway. The US is not going to restrict voting based on class or race. It's unconstitutional, undemocratic and unAmerican.
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Renee agreed with Obvious Li that certain people they don't like shouldn't be allowed to vote and she included African Americans.
If it's not what she said, why is she disagreeing with my opinion that all American citizens should have a right to vote? This thread is about who Obvious Li and Renee would deny voting to. I'm arguing that all American citizens should have the right to vote and she's claiming that I'm wrong.
what i actually said was voting should be limited to people of means, property owners, tax payers etc......it is in no way based on color, gender or religion.....merely pointing out that voting should be a function of people who contribute to society.....the givers.....the takers and leeches should have no say in how taxpayers contributions are distributed...personally i would add an IQ voting test as well but the others may disagree..in any case stupidity should preclude you from voting...just in principle
The long-term unemployed, renters, bums, students, junkies, environmental activist traitors, occupy hypocrites, effeminate white men and celebutards contribute fuck all to society and have NOT earned the privilege to vote. They should all be used for medical experimentation. Why use cute little bunny rabbits when there are so many white rejects? They can have the satisfaction of knowing they are doing something for their fellow man for once in their fucking lives.
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The Declaration of Independence and Constitution aren't about creating unequal, separate classes of citizens.
Well, I've already won the argument decades ago anyway. The US is not going to restrict voting based on class or race. It's unconstitutional, undemocratic and unAmerican.
It's obvious that you only want to believe the popular notion of what those two documents contain and not their actual legal meaning. You have also missed the premise of the argument and supplanted it with your atypical, hysterical, circle jerk nonsense.
So typical and so tiresome.
I see no need to further this discussion with you because you aren't able to comprehend US history or the US Constitution and its original intent. Any discussion on the subject is lost on you unless it is framed on an uninformed level that drones like you can understand.
BTW The phrase "all men are created equal" refers to their inalienable rights endowed by their creator (God). Voting rights are not "inalienable rights", they are "legal rights" or privileges "endowed" by the government.
Apples and oranges Romero, you still don't get it. :lol:
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The Declaration of Independence and Constitution aren't about creating unequal, separate classes of citizens.
Well, I've already won the argument decades ago anyway. The US is not going to restrict voting based on class or race. It's unconstitutional, undemocratic and unAmerican.
It's obvious that you only want to believe the popular notion of what those two documents contain and not their actual legal meaning. You have also missed the premise of the argument and supplanted it with your atypical, hysterical, circle jerk nonsense.
So typical and so tiresome.
I see no need to further this discussion with you because you aren't able to comprehend US history or the US Constitution and its original intent. Any discussion on the subject is lost on you unless it is framed on an uninformed level that drones like you can understand.
BTW
Apples and oranges Romero, you still don't get it. :lol:
That's exactly how I read it to Renee. Created means by well the creator if that's what you believe in. Other rights are really privileges that the government doles out based on which way the popular winds are blowing.
There's no fucking way that people that do not nor ever have contributed to society should have any say in how money they did not earn is spent.
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The Declaration of Independence and Constitution aren't about creating unequal, separate classes of citizens.
Well, I've already won the argument decades ago anyway. The US is not going to restrict voting based on class or race. It's unconstitutional, undemocratic and unAmerican.
It's obvious that you only want to believe the popular notion of what those two documents contain and not their actual legal meaning. You have also missed the premise of the argument and supplanted it with your atypical, hysterical, circle jerk nonsense.
So typical and so tiresome.
I see no need to further this discussion with you because you aren't able to comprehend US history or the US Constitution and its original intent. Any discussion on the subject is lost on you unless it is framed on an uninformed level that drones like you can understand.
BTW
Apples and oranges Romero, you still don't get it. :lol:
That's exactly how I read it to Renee. Created means by well the creator if that's what you believe in. Other rights are really privileges that the government doles out based on which way the popular winds are blowing.
Well in the US we have that situation because people like Romero think that the "all men are created equal" thing applies to all aspects of society simply because you draw breath.
The truth of the matter is that voting rights in the US were never meant to be handed out like candy apples on Halloween. They were meant as a way for people with skin in the game to decide how their taxes would be spent and where and in which direction the country should take. The welfare state and other big entitlement programs did not exist at the time when voting rights were laid down by the individual states. It's only because politicians in DC did not have the fortitude to stay true to the original premise of voting rights that we have what we have today.
The US has reached a tipping point in it society; the number of tax users has almost exceeded the number of taxpayers. Big entitlement programs and policies are one of the main reasons the US government must keep borrowing money. The tax revenue that the federal government takes in each year can barely pay the interest on the debit; eventually it will all collapse and it is going to be very hard to avoid. The reason being is because millions of voting age, non-producing, people have figured out that they can keep the government gravy train going by voting for political candidates (liberals) that promise increases in welfare, food stamps, free healthcare bennies, etc. If voting rights had been allowed to remained true to their original premise it is likely we wouldn't have this issue on a scale that we see today.
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Well in the US we have that situation because people like Romero think that the "all men are created equal" thing applies to all aspects of society simply because you draw breath.
The truth of the matter is that
The US has reached a tipping point is it society; the number of tax users has almost exceeded the number of taxpayers. Big entitlement programs and policies are one of the main reasons the US government must keep borrowing money. The tax revenue that the federal government takes in each year can barely pay the interest on the debit; eventually it will all collapse and it is going to be very hard to avoid. The reason being is because
This is how I see democracy too. It's criminal that people without skin in the game decide how money is spent. The current situation we have in Canada and the USA is a far cry from the original intent. It's also why I no longer support liberal democracy in it's present form. All it does is encourage sleazebag politicians to pander people with my money.
Universal voting is a noble ideal that is supposed to encourage everyone to become stakeholders. But on the flip side, if there should be no taxation without representation then it follows no representation if no taxes.
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Well in the US we have that situation because people like Romero think that the "all men are created equal" thing applies to all aspects of society simply because you draw breath.
The truth of the matter is that
The US has reached a tipping point is it society; the number of tax users has almost exceeded the number of taxpayers. Big entitlement programs and policies are one of the main reasons the US government must keep borrowing money. The tax revenue that the federal government takes in each year can barely pay the interest on the debit; eventually it will all collapse and it is going to be very hard to avoid. The reason being is because
This is how I see democracy too. It's criminal that people without skin in the game decide how money is spent. The current situation we have in Canada and the USA is a far cry from the original intent. It's also why I no longer support liberal democracy in it's present form. All it does is encourage sleazebag politicians to pander people with my money.
So your arguments boil down to liberals shouldn't have voting rights because you don't think they deserve them. That's a personal opinion. Too bad it has absolutely no basis in reality.
Renee's convinced she's right and I'm wrong. That's wonderful news for conservatives! She can start a lawsuit, win and hooray! - liberals are banned from voting and Renee is a conservative hero!
Unfortunately, back in Reality Land, Renee would be laughed out of court. She wouldn't stand a chance because of those pesky laws and rights. Her personal opinion that "voting rights weren't meant to" would have no legal standing whatsoever.
It's kind of hard to argue that the Founding Fathers, the Constitution and US history are on Renee's side when not a single judge or court in the country would even pay it any attention. Until reality changes, it's all on my side.
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Renee's convinced she's right and I'm wrong. That's wonderful news for conservatives! She can start a lawsuit, win and hooray! - liberals are banned from voting and Renee is a conservative hero!
Unfortunately, back in Reality Land, Renee would be laughed out of court. She wouldn't stand a chance because of those pesky laws and rights. Her personal opinion that "voting rights weren't meant to" would have no legal standing whatsoever.
It's kind of hard to argue that the Founding Fathers, the Constitution and US history are on Renee's side when not a single judge or court in the country would even pay it any attention. Until reality changes, it's all on my side.
This is why people don't take you seriously. You put words in their mouths.
I have been consistent that people without skin in the game should have NO say in how my money is spent. Nothing to do with liberals, socialists or even zombies.
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All I've seen is "left this", "liberal that" and "voted for Obama". I haven't seen any mention of conservatives.
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All I've seen is "left this", "liberal that" and "voted for Obama". I haven't seen any mention of conservatives.
The left are the ones most likely to make promises with my money to those with no skin in the game. That's not say that fiscal conservatives don't pander. After all, that's how elections are won nowadays.
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All I've seen is "left this", "liberal that" and "voted for Obama". I haven't seen any mention of conservatives.
That's because traditionally conservatives don't promise more welfare or food stamps to the non-producers. They generally stand for cutting or limiting entitlement programs. When the majority of conservatives start trying to loosen the requirements for receiving welfare and food stamps the way Obama and company have done, I will jump on them too. Right now it's the left that is the biggest turd in the welfare/entitlement/toilet and it's long overdue to be flushed.
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Renee's convinced she's right and I'm wrong. That's wonderful news for conservatives! She can start a lawsuit, win and hooray! - liberals are banned from voting and Renee is a conservative hero!
Unfortunately, back in Reality Land, Renee would be laughed out of court. She wouldn't stand a chance because of those pesky laws and rights.
It's kind of hard to argue that the Founding Fathers, the Constitution and US history are on Renee's side when not a single judge or court in the country would even pay it any attention. Until reality changes, it's all on my side.
It's not personal opinion, you moron; it's historical fact. Learn the difference before you flap your jaws. :lol:
As stated previously; the Constitution in its original form mentions NOTHING about specific voting rights. Voting rights and how they would be applied were left specifically up to the individual states.
Again, because you are extremely dense;.....The US Constitution originally granted NO specific voting rights to the citizens of the US. It wasn't until 5 years after the civil war ended that the federal government got involved with voting rights and amended the Constitution.
then, that was said before ... before ... before ...
Equal rights aren't only a liberal ideology. They're conservative and libertarian too.
This conversation has gotten pretty convoluted, but I simply can't believe I have to argue that all citizens have a right to vote. It's the very cornerstone of liberty, democracy, patriotism and capitalism.
What's next? "Certain people" shouldn't be able to get married, get an education, or start a business?
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This conversation has gotten pretty convoluted, but I simply can't believe I have to argue that all citizens have a right to vote. It's the very cornerstone of liberty, democracy, patriotism and capitalism.
What's next? "Certain people" shouldn't be able to get married, get an education, or start a business?
since it is the state that picks up the tab when losers fail, of course there should be a means test to get married, start a business, vote etc etc......there was for 10,000 years before the 1960's.....it worked to benefit society for millennia so why not now,???
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What's next? "Certain people" shouldn't be able to get married, get an education, or start a business?
Yes it did and it did so because you can't follow the subject logically so you throw hysterics and diversion into the mix.
The only fair solution is to go back to a system of where only those that contribute should have the right to determine where their money should be spent whether it is on a federal, state or local level respectively. The idea that everyone should have a right to vote regardless of how they contribute to the welfare of society is nothing but political pandering to whatever demographic the politicians are fishing for votes from. It's not "democracy" and it's certainly not "capitalism"; it's semi-organized mob rule.
The fact of the matter is that giving tax-users the same say over the use of tax dollars as the taxpayers is unethical and unfair. In principle it's little more than the extortion of the taxpayer for political gain.
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The only fair solution is to go back to a system of where only those that contribute should have the right to determine where their money should be spent whether it is on a federal, state or local level respectively. The idea that everyone should have a right to vote regardless of how they contribute to the welfare of society is nothing but political pandering to whatever demographic the politicians are fishing for votes from. It's not "democracy" and it's certainly not "capitalism"; it's semi-organized mob rule.
It should be a criminal offense, but that's how so-called Western democracy works nowadays....pandering to users and losers. It's also why I no longer support liberal democracy as the best system.
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Hysterics? Where? I see you insulting and name calling but nowhere do I see myself throwing hysterics.
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The only fair solution is to be unfair!
I think it's pretty funny that you would deny yourself the right to vote.
^^Dude, you are doing again. Renee, myself and OL have been consistent that people without skin in the game do not deserve to decide how our money is spent. You can't counter this, so instead you put words in our mouths.
I repeat it has nothing to do with race, gender or political preferences. People that don't contribute should not be allowed to decide how my money is spent. It's unfair, unethical and immoral.
It was Renee who said she wants to go back to a previous system and it was Renee who mentioned that women didn't have a God given right to vote.
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Oh, and:
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So that takes care of all those pesky Asians who voted for Obama.
And it's not as if Renee contributes more than most of the Americans she would take rights away from.
I know, I know. You guys think you're all exempt and special but you're not. If you think you can just take rights away from others then your rights can be taken away too.
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Hysterics? Where? I see you insulting and name calling but
Really wringing your hands and trying to make a case that I don't want African Americans to vote isn't hysterics? Come now Romero, you must either think we are all stupid or as I suspect, you simply don't grasp the premise of this thread.
Quote from: "Romero"
Quote from: "Renee"
The only fair solution is to be unfair!
Not sure where you get that from. I pay taxes on a state and federal levels so how would I deny myself the right to vote?
Quote from: "Renee"
So? So does pretty well every other average American. The list is a lot more than just that.
Do you own property in your name? Is your name on the property taxes? Are you a man of means? Have you ever received government assistance?
Quote from: "Romero"
Quote from: "Renee"
So? So does pretty well every other average American. The list is a lot more than just that.
Do you own property in your name? Is your name on the property taxes? Are you a man of means? Have you ever received government assistance?
if you have a govt. job you are a net drain on the treasury.....if you receive govt. assistance (over 50% and counting) you forfeit your rights to vote on a spending issue...simple.......you contribute you get a say...you take..you don't
Quote from: "Obvious Li"
Okay, so you won't be voting in any elections.
Quote from: "Romero"
Quote from: "Obvious Li"
Okay, so you won't be voting in any elections.
nice try homy.....fortunately i qualify under all the required conditions.....to bad for you and your relatives
Quote from: "Obvious Li"
Quote from: "Romero"
Quote from: "Renee"
So? So does pretty well every other average American. The list is a lot more than just that.
Do you own property in your name? Is your name on the property taxes? Are you a man of means? Have you ever received government assistance?
I would not be permitted to vote?
I don't care though, because I don't vote anyway.
Besides putting words in people's mouths, Romero has not given us a single reason why people without skin in the game should be allowed a say in how my money is spent?
We're waiting?????
Quote from: "Obvious Li"
Quote from: "Romero"
Quote from: "Obvious Li"
Okay, so you won't be voting in any elections.
nice try homy.....fortunately i qualify under all the required conditions.....to bad for you and your relatives
Sorry, but you have disqualified yourself.
"if you receive govt.
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Call it insurance, but it's definitely also known as government assistance, a government and social program, a government benefit and a form of welfare.
Too bad for me and my relatives? You've never stopped me and my relatives from voting and you never will!
Quote from: "Shen Li"
We're waiting?????
Voting is a basic human and democratic right. There are no citizens "without skin in the game".
When we start taking away rights where does it stop? We can see that the longer we have this discussion, the longer the list of people who shouldn't be able to vote becomes. You guys just keep adding and adding to the list without even realizing that your including yourselves.
There was a time when Chinese Canadians were denied their right to vote. We don't want to go back to those days.
I prefer a capitalist democracy, not whatever the heck it is you guys are looking for.
Quote from: "Romero"
Quote from: "Shen Li"
We're waiting?????
Voting is a basic human and democratic right.
When we start taking away rights where does it stop? We can see that the longer we have this discussion, the longer the list of people who shouldn't be able to vote becomes. You guys just keep adding and adding to the list without even realizing that your including yourselves.
There was a time when Chinese Canadians were denied their right to vote. We don't want to go back to those days.
I prefer a capitalist democracy, not whatever the heck it is you guys are looking for.
Bullshit, there are millions of Canadians who should have no say in how my tax money is spent. You earn and contribute, you decide, you take and you don't have the right. It's quite simple that users/takers don't deserve a say in how my money is spent.
The Newfoundland Grit party wants to extend voting privileges to fucking 16 year olds!! Why not make it 5 year olds? Our politicians would be campaigning for universal ice cream. :roll: