THeBlueCashew

Erica Mena mentioned that she thinks the gov was behind this

not far off

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oy-u-eVSoyI

These lefty podcasters are dancing around the obvious... they don't want to alienate their audience or get cancelled... they're outraged by the obvious visuals and maybe now understand "it's a big club, but they ain't in it".

Lahaina was controlled demolition.

Like how a farmer would plan the torching of his or her fields to eradicate vermin, insects, or undesirable growth.

It's no secret that the mega rich build panic room penis/arse bunkers/bat caves.

The John Birch Society did it in Tasmania... tech overlords flocked to NZ in the last two decades... as well as the southern most portions of Chile and Argentina.

It's a world-wide cull and these motherfuckers are pre-positioning... like rats off a sinking ship.

Lahaina was an extermination.... or militant gentrification..

Note: the really expensive real estate was preserved. The rest... well, if they can kick out the mud classes, there'll be more real estate for the moneyed interests to expand into.

And bitch about climate change.

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Quote from: Oliver the Second on August 21, 2023, 09:33:25 AM(https://i.imgur.com/Jm8nCbB.png)

And when a tidal wave comes, good bye billionaires....lol

Power lines came down because infrastructure is deteriorating...

It has nothing to do with

1. Climate change

2. And everything to do with neglecting repairs to infrastructure...

Quote from: Adolf Oliver Bush on August 21, 2023, 03:56:54 AMNote: the really expensive real estate was preserved. The rest... well, if they can kick out the mud classes, there'll be more real estate for the moneyed interests to expand into.

And bitch about climate change.

yep.. and developers are already swooping in on these people trying to get them to sell at firesale prices. Literally.

leftist scum sickens me

They'll bitch and whine about helping immigrants but wont even lift a finger to help their own CITIZENS who are displaced through no fault of their own

Quote from: caskur on August 21, 2023, 10:17:37 AMPower lines came down because infrastructure is deteriorating...

It has nothing to do with

1. Climate change

2. And everything to do with neglecting repairs to infrastructure...

that's biden's build back better you see

he wasn't lying... they burned the lower class out of their homes and now greedy developers will swoop in and "build back better"

from a billionaire's point of view that is

Quote from: Adolf Oliver Bush on August 21, 2023, 03:56:54 AMNote: the really expensive real estate was preserved. The rest... well, if they can kick out the mud classes, there'll be more real estate for the moneyed interests to expand into.

And bitch about climate change.

I noticed that.

Quote from: Shen Li on August 21, 2023, 12:00:36 PMI noticed that.

Heh, Oprah is getting investigated in the wake of the fires. Seems she has a bit of a habit of buying up real estate there after the many and varied catastrophes over the years.

Here, I knew I had it somewhere....

https://www.bitchute.com/video/RjM8X2tkKnrS/



And just in case you were still thinking the lamestream media were in the business of being straight with you, cop a load of this...


https://www.bitchute.com/video/2qwCxVcUqCR7/


Independent testimony not to be heard on the public megaphone. Mind you, considering who stands to gain the most, perhaps you shouldn't be surprised you aren't hearing any of it there.

 :Doh2:  Paranoid ramblings.

Over 100 dead,

850 unaccounted for.

This tragedy is horrific.

Quote from: caskur on August 22, 2023, 05:37:56 AM:Doh2:  Paranoid ramblings.

Over 100 dead,

850 unaccounted for.

This tragedy is horrific.

Closer to 2000...

Biden addressed another crowd at the Lahaina Civic Center, where he drew a parallel between the deadly inferno, which has reportedly claimed more than 480 lives, and the near-loss of his beloved '67 Corvette as the result of a kitchen fire.

I feel bad on the part of people losing their lives and their homes

I do not feel bad for any vermin cockroach of a liberal who voted for this asshole and is now getting what they voted for

Elections have consequences. Reap what you sow.

Quote from: Biggie Smiles on August 22, 2023, 06:03:19 PMI feel bad on the part of people losing their lives and their homes

I do not feel bad for any vermin cockroach of a liberal who voted for this asshole and is now getting what they voted for

Elections have consequences. Reap what you sow.

Don't lose your humanity over politics.

Quote from: caskur on August 22, 2023, 06:08:37 PMDon't lose your humanity over politics.

i'm not.

But I don't feel sorry for people who are helping destroy this country

If you voted for Biden and your house burned down and he fucks you over you have no one to blame but yourself

Quote from: Biggie Smiles on August 22, 2023, 06:16:50 PMi'm not.

But I don't feel sorry for people who are helping destroy this country

If you voted for Biden and your house burned down and he fucks you over you have no one to blame but yourself

Well if you own a house and have a mortgage it is compulsory to have mortgage insurance but those people on Maui will find it hard because they have no ID and all the papers. This will take longer.

Hawaiian natives are pretty broke before the fires.

Also I saw one Hawaiian woman say she now has 3 families living in her 3 bedroom place...

Also the aid isn't getting through to the people but I am sure it's slowly recovering but it will take months and months. They need shelter and food immediately.

Quote from: caskur on August 22, 2023, 07:04:35 PMWell if you own a house and have a mortgage it is compulsory to have mortgage insurance but those people on Maui will find it hard because they have no ID and all the papers. This will take longer.

Hawaiian natives are pretty broke before the fires.

Also I saw one Hawaiian woman say she now has 3 families living in her 3 bedroom place...

Also the aid isn't getting through to the people but I am sure it's slowly recovering but it will take months and months. They need shelter and food immediately.

Interestingly enough, Hawaii is one of the bluest states in the union.

My point is, after decades of dedication to the party why cant the administration find it within themselves to assist them with the same level of zeal as they choose to do with a country thousands of miles away?

My comments don't lack humanity, my comments serve as a call to these poor mislead souls to wake the fuck up before it's too late. For all of us.

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Quote from: Gremlin on August 22, 2023, 08:35:02 PM(https://i.imgflip.com/1yep7v.jpg)

Who are you?

See what I mean about these fucking cocksuckers?

I hope you all get a good look at this shit, which is why I'm allowing the spam to stay

can't even have a fucking serious conversation about a horrid tradegy without some drooling TDS tardling from the other-side being a complete dipshit about themselves

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Quote from: Biggie Smiles on August 22, 2023, 08:47:26 PMSee what I mean about these fucking cocksuckers?

I hope you all get a good look at this shit, which is why I'm allowing the spam to stay

can't even have a fucking serious conversation about a horrid tradegy without some drooling TDS tardling from the other-side being a complete dipshit about themselves

Your left wingers are deranged... my condolences.

Quote from: caskur on August 22, 2023, 08:59:30 PMYour left wingers are deranged... my condolences.

It's fucking awful. This is why there can be no peaceful coexistence with them.

that's what the whole "admin sucks cock" troll was about. To be as big of a drooling fucking annoying dipshit as they allow those wankstains to be. it worked. I made those crybabies freak out and break their own set of standards when I deployed their own tactics against them.

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Quote from: Biggie Smiles on August 22, 2023, 09:02:44 PMIt's fucking awful. This is why there can be no peaceful coexistence with them.

that's what the whole "admin sucks cock" troll was about. To be as big of a drooling fucking annoying dipshit as they allow those wankstains to be. it worked. I made those crybabies freak out and break their own set of standards when I deployed their own tactics against them.

From now on just delete his pictures.

The left wing needs culling over the globe. Get rid of the nutters who don't really fit in with normal social behaviour.

Is the left wing in the room with you now?

Quote from: Gremlin on August 22, 2023, 09:05:12 PM(https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/51F9rKoGoXL.jpg)

more like you jumping into a puddle of jizm.

Do you need someone to come give you a big comely MAGA man hug?

Don't be afraid to ask big boi.

I bet you'd scoot like a dog over what you couldnt lap up in hopes your gaping asshole would suck up the rest! Faggit assed faggit!

Any interest in taking an at home are you a Karen test?

https://youtu.be/Q6ahnEOATmY

https://youtu.be/5fiT6c0MQ58

https://youtu.be/ZyjzKC1cAjI

When are going to boot the interlopers Biggie..

Let's not have idiots here.

Who is this Gremlin fella?

Quote from: Gremlin on August 22, 2023, 10:59:56 PMhttps://youtu.be/5fiT6c0MQ58

Something negative about Trump in a thread that has nothing to do with his presidency. I have an idea who you are.

Quote from: Biggie Smiles on August 22, 2023, 10:55:02 PMhttps://youtu.be/Q6ahnEOATmY

Fuck that alzeimers puppet.

I hope he has a stroke asap. He's screwed America with the help of the Deep State.

Even CNN are now grudgingly admitting Donald Trump will likely beat Bidet at the 2024 election. That's why all the scare about a new Covid variant; they need the lockdowns and mail in ballots to stand a hope  in hell of stealing the election again.

If Trump is falsely imprisoned or barred from the election, I hope the US gets nuked by China.

Quote from: caskur on August 22, 2023, 11:45:49 PMWhen are going to boot the interlopers Biggie..

Let's not have idiots here.

I'm a strong advocate of free speech as are most of our conservative base. A fact maggots like admongo and Co. take advantage of and use against us frequently

but here he's going to be on a very short leash if he continues.

I shit all over buttercup factory in response to the libtard antics because buttercup factory was a toilet to begin with.

The same will not hold true here.

FEMA officials stay at $1,000-per-night luxury Maui hotels on 'other side of the island' while taxpayers foot the bill.

Quote from: Herman on August 23, 2023, 01:39:25 AMWho is this Gremlin fella?

Aidsfaggit.

Quote from: Frood on August 23, 2023, 05:44:30 AMIf Trump is falsely imprisoned or barred from the election, I hope the US gets nuked by China.

Me too! I hope they start with Cali and Illinois. Fucking disgusting, ungodly,  and corrupt country that we've become!

Quote from: Frood on August 23, 2023, 05:44:30 AMIf Trump is falsely imprisoned or barred from the election, I hope the US gets nuked by China.

Me too! I hope they start with Cali and Illinois. Fucking disgusting, ungodly,  and corrupt country that we've become!

Quote from: DKG on August 23, 2023, 02:45:30 PMFEMA officials stay at $1,000-per-night luxury Maui hotels on 'other side of the island' while taxpayers foot the bill.

Yea, I saw that bullshit. Fuckers should be fired!

Quote from: Lokmar on August 23, 2023, 02:54:49 PMMe too! I hope they start with Cali and Illinois. Fucking disgusting, ungodly,  and corrupt country that we've become!
Yea, I saw that bullshit. Fuckers should be fired!

They were incompetent long before the Maui wildfires.

Quote from: Biggie Smiles on August 23, 2023, 05:53:45 AMI'm a strong advocate of free speech as are most of our conservative base. A fact maggots like admongo and Co. take advantage of and use against us frequently

but here he's going to be on a very short leash if he continues.

I shit all over buttercup factory in response to the libtard antics because buttercup factory was a toilet to begin with.

The same will not hold true here.

Your mousy mightiness is really really HAWT. It totally slays me.

Do you think we can do coffee some time?

Quote from: Gremlin on August 23, 2023, 03:44:55 PMYour mousy mightiness is really really HAWT. It totally slays me.

Is that because your two forums are a censorshp fan's wet dream.

Quote from: Herman on August 23, 2023, 01:39:25 AMWho is this Gremlin fella?

I bet it's Lotus  :t2723:


Hi Lotus!  :s_hi:

Quote from: Gremlin on August 22, 2023, 10:38:55 PMIs the left wing in the room with you now?

whazzup, man.... are you the same gremlin from YNC? just curious....

Quote from: RAVEN on August 23, 2023, 08:19:23 PMI doubt he'll answer, so I'll do it for him lulz ..NO.. that's not Gremlin from the Y.. It's Aidsman/Admin from BF.  He's here to spam Trump memes for us and be an all-round pain in the ass :D  LOLOL

you sure? because the gremlin i knew was a mischief maker as well....

Quote from: RAVEN on August 23, 2023, 08:29:59 PMI'm positive..  I know Gremlin still signs in at the Y every once in a while to say hi to Weeg.  But yeah..there is NO DOUBT who this little shit is lol ..

thats cool.... i woulda liked to have seen another friendly face.... but i'll survive.... lol....

Quote from: Gremlin on August 23, 2023, 03:44:55 PMYour mousy mightiness is really really HAWT. It totally slays me.

Do you think we can do coffee some time?

why would your first post in this thread about a serious tragedy be all about you?

fuck off!!!~

Libtards just cannot help or control themselves

Quote from: RAVEN on August 23, 2023, 08:55:24 PMI'd give the guy a break if he were here to contribute, but he's not.. he's here to be a menace :/

being a menace is a contribution in itself.... keeps yall from digging at each other.... you need to learn how to appreciate the things that aren't "appreciated"....

Quote from: RAVEN on August 23, 2023, 08:55:24 PMI'd give the guy a break if he were here to contribute, but he's not.. he's here to be a menace :/

I don't view Gremlina as a menace.  More of a scroll wheel inducer.

He's a dipshit. Always has been and always will be.

Apparently things are too boring in either of his local echo chambers for him to confine his drool there

A situation these vermin peons created for themselves

Apegirl paid that piece of shit owner of Butthurt Fagtory to ban Biggie. That is frickin wussie snowflake thing to do.

Quote from: Herman on August 23, 2023, 10:15:34 PMApegirl paid that piece of shit owner of Butthurt Fagtory to ban Biggie. That is frickin wussie snowflake thing to do.

He's a pussy. He couldn't handle the heat  :crampe:

Quote from: Biggie Smiles on August 23, 2023, 10:18:34 PMHe's a pussy. He couldn't handle the heat  :crampe:

If Apegirl offers you some money to ban old Herman, ya aint going to accept it are ya. :s_laugh:

I got to be honest, he sucks a lot of cock.

Quote from: Herman on August 23, 2023, 10:21:04 PMIf Apegirl offers you some money to ban old Herman, ya aint going to accept it are ya. :s_laugh:

He doesn't posses enough money to persuade me  :s_laugh:

My buddy Alex Epstein explains it was prog environmental policies not climate change that caused the Maui fires.

   
Maui's wildfire tragedy caused by "green" policies, not warming

The unnecessarily large wildfires in Maui were not caused by the slow warming of climate but by "green" policies that prevented proper wildfire management.


Don't let the greens scapegoat fossil fuels.

How "green" policies caused the Maui tragedy

Failure to actively manage flammable grasses and instead letting them grow "naturally"

Spending money on expensive "green" energy and not on power-line maintenance

Deprioritizing water release in favor of "green" concerns

Anti-fossil-fuel politicians are blaming Maui's tragic wildfire on climate change. But could the 2° F warming over 150 years, and any associated climate changes, make dangerous wildfires inevitable?

No. Fossil fuels are being scapegoated to evade the real villain: "green" policies.¹

With proper wildfire management, we could prevent anything resembling the dangerous, out-of-control wildfire Maui experienced—even if temperatures were considerably warmer.

3 keys are: fuel load management, power-line maintenance, and firefighting.

"Green" policies undercut all 3.

How "green" policies undercut Hawaii's fuel load management

The key to limiting wildfire damage is reducing the burnable "fuel load". Hawaii should have actively managed its flammable grasses to reduce fuel load. But instead, it took a "green," hands-off approach.

Maui is often viewed as a scenic natural landscape, untouched by human industry. But until recently, intensive, irrigated sugarcane plantations were present on the island. The last remnants of this industry closed in 2016 and arable land has been taken over by invasive grasses.²

Invasive grasses pose a fire hazard because they dry out quickly and unlike sugarcane, don't get irrigated. In combination with strong winds present in the area, this allowed for a rapid spread of fires.

Thus, experts warned for years that Maui's grasses were a threat.³

With rising population in Maui County and the knowledge about land use changes that pose a higher fire risk, you would expect active management of the landscape—e.g., with prescribed fires and fire breaches to protect the infrastructure and population. But this didn't happen.

Instead of focusing on the need for wildfire management, Maui has been preoccupied with "green" goals like its "Wetlands Restoration and Protection." Observe that wildfire prevention isn't a priority on Maui's government website.⁴


In recent years government reports found increasing wildfire hazards, identifying insufficient fuel load management and human ignition as causes. Yet Hawaii decided to spend a fraction of what other states spend on wildfire protection. While spending a fortune on "green energy."⁵


How "green" policies undercut Hawaii's power-line maintenance

Given Maui's susceptibility to wildfires—in large part because of bad vegetation management—power-line maintenance should have been a priority to prevent fires from starting. Instead, money went into "green" energy projects.

About 70% of the electricity supply for the ~1.5 million population of Hawaii is generated by oil. But Hawaii is engaging in aggressive solar rooftop programs with the goal of reducing CO2 emissions by 70% by 2030, in line with political demands, which drains funds and diverts focus.⁶


While Hawaii and Hawaiian Electric are spending money on expensive solar and battery incentives, HI's only coal plant was shut down in 2022, leading to a significant rate increase as it had to be replaced with oil use. Hawaiian Electric hopes expensive "green" solar will save money someday.⁷

Hawaii's government increasingly pushes for more "green" energy. Since 2001 the state has had a Renewable Portfolio Standard, dictating 100% "green" electricity by 2045. A number of state financial incentives have been implemented to favor expensive rooftop solar—driving up costs.⁸


Unsurprisingly, Hawaii's favoritism for "green" energy projects correlated with residential electricity rate increases almost 60% above that of the US average. While the price per kilowatt hour in Hawaii was about twice that of the US average in 2000, now it's almost 3 times that.⁹


How "green" bureaucracy prevented transmission line safety

In 2022 there was a chance to prevent the hazard of transmission lines igniting devastating wildfires when the local electric monopoly informed regulators. But thanks to "green" regulators and stakeholders, nobody acted.

In 2022, recognizing the fire threat, Hawaiian Electric proposed raising rates to fund 190 million dollars across Hawaii to clear transmission lines and harden infrastructure. The regulatory process and stakeholder concerns delayed this.¹⁰


Incompetence: Despite the known fire hazards from dry vegetation combined with vulnerable power lines (the likely ignition source of the devastating fire) there was no effective plan to shut down power in case of strong winds with the potential to knock over power lines.

Given the complacency regarding fuel load from dried vegetation and the lack of maintenance of power grid infrastructure, it was only a matter of time before a serious fire threat would emerge. When it did, "green" water management considerations trumped firefighting potential.

How "green" policies undercut Hawaii's firefighting

Once wildfires started Maui needed maximum firefighting resources, including abundant water. But West Maui Land Co. was denied stream water for several hours by authorities to preserve water for a downstream traditional farmer.

On August 8, Hawaii's Department of Land and Natural Resources (DLNR) refused to allow the diversion of freshwater from streams to help fight the fires before they spread. The delay took 5 hours, at which point it couldn't help with anything according to West Maui Land Co.¹¹

Whether the earlier diversion of stream water to increase the firefighting potential would have made a difference or not, it was terrible. In an emergency, you want to err on the side of having more tools and resources than you need, not regret having too few later.

Instead of starting a serious discussion about emergency water policies to save lives in the future, green activists and some media outlets turned this into a story about colonialist corporate greed that harms native victims and their traditional relationship with "sacred" water.¹²


Hawaii's Commission on Water Resource Management's M. Kaleo Manuel has drawn attention for his expressed views of water as "sacred"; something to be "revered." One has to wonder whether that played a role in the disastrous priorities preceding the fire.¹³


Investigation into the responsibility of the Hawaii Commission on Water Resource Management is necessary, but water allocation concerns were unacceptable in the face of a life-threatening emergency. This problem has been foreseen but legislators would not act when warned.

In 2022, there was a proposal in the Hawaiian Senate to make water available for firefighting, noting the vulnerability of West Maui. But the proposal didn't even get a hearing. Despite the life-and-death emergency, this was not a priority over "green" habitat and climate policy.¹⁴

Don't allow greens to scapegoat fossil fuels for the Maui tragedy

Rising CO2 levels from fossil fuel use are at most a minor wildfire variable that we have little near-term control over.

"Green" policies are the major variable and can be reversed immediately.

Blaming fossil fuels is deadly.

Even if 100% net-zero energy is just a few decades away (absurd) that means that rising CO2 levels will be with us for decades—and it'll take even longer for CO2 to return to today's levels. Thus, rising CO2 is a very long-term issue—not at all addressable for fire hazards now.¹⁵


Unfortunately, many commentators, instead of admitting that the root cause of Hawaii's wildfire problems is their bad land, maintenance, and water policies—something fully within their control to fix—blame rising CO2 levels, a minor factor that is totally outside Hawaii's control.¹⁶

Does this mean that rising CO2 levels had zero effect on the climate conditions in Maui?

No. It means they had at most a minor effect that is largely outside our control. Our focus should be on the major cause we can change: "green" policies preventing proper fire management.

It's valuable to understand the effects of rising CO2 levels on local climate conditions, including wildfire conditions, but we must be 1) evenhanded (looking at - and + impacts), 2) precise, and 3) honest (not claiming to know more than we can).

Most commentators violate all 3.

Commentators who blame adverse climate conditions on rising CO2 aren't evenhanded, they only look for negatives.

Any global climate change will have significant local positives, even if outweighed by negatives. But we never hear "climate change" credited with any positives.

Commentators are eagerly looking for any speculative connection between changes in climate and wildfires. But the world burns less than it used to. Yet few consider that rising CO2 may lessen at least some fires due to more precipitation or changing winds.¹⁷


Despite the positive overall trend on wildfires, we only hear about worsening wildfire trends and how this is connected to human-caused climate changes, giving the public the impression that the world burns far more every year as we warm.

Those who blame adverse climate conditions on rising CO2 aren't precise—they exaggerate.

It's not clear rising CO2 has any significant effect on Maui's drought conditions or wind speeds. It certainly didn't cause all of the challenging conditions.

Yet fossil fuels are blamed above all.

Those who blame adverse climate conditions on climate change aren't honest—they pretend way more certainty than can possibly exist.

Long-term climate impacts might have played some role in the Maui wildfires, but this is not at all certain in any direction.

Climate catastrophist Michael Mann immediately commented about the Maui wildfires "This is the climate crisis. It's here and now," despite the lack of evidence. Instead of being honest about what we don't know, he falsely professed certainty that rising CO2 caused Hawaii's weather.¹⁸


Hawaii's governor Green agreed that climate change "amplified" the "cost of human error" in response to the fires. He can't possibly know what role global climate change had, but he like so many others is trying to evade the obvious major culprit: Hawaii's "green" policies.¹⁹


Weeks later, Governor Green again blamed climate change for the fire danger, claiming "we all have to acknowledge that this is a global problem, it was a very hot, dry, terrible storm."

Exactly wrong. The world is burning less. It's a local problem of bad government priorities.²⁰

"Experts" try to connect the specific conditions of the Maui fire to rising CO2 levels, but recent analysis of climate model predictions cannot attribute drought in Hawaii to climate change.²¹


Maui's fires were rapidly spread and possibly ignited by strong winds, which knocked over transmission lines. There are many ways in which rising CO2 levels could have impacted Hurricane Dora but it's not clear if and how rising CO2 has impacted this particular weather event.

While there is theoretical potential for a warmer climate to slightly increase the strength of hurricanes (and reduce their frequency), the precise net effect on a specific weather today is unknowable, especially since there is huge hurricane variability over years and decades.²²



Obsession with attributing conditions to climate change is not an attempt at evenhanded, precise, honest scientific understanding, but dishonest scapegoating of fossil fuels—which are a crucial value we need for everything in life, including mastering dangerous wildfires.

Fossil fuels provide the vast majority of Maui's energy and the industries that sustain the population of Hawaii, which all rely on affordable fossil fuels, from tourists flying in, to agriculture that requires equipment, fertilizers, and pesticides based on fossil fuel energy and materials.

Hawaii is ~70% powered by oil. The more Hawaii tries to forcibly reduce fossil fuels, the more it will have higher energy prices and less energy security.

Fossil fuels are crucial for Hawaii, including powering all the machines needed to manage fuel load, maintain power lines, and fight fires.

If policymakers want to slow rising CO2 levels, the only path is to liberate low-CO2 energy innovation—e.g., nuclear—so it becomes globally cost-effective. Instead, "green" policymakers have criminalized nuclear and made all energy development expensive.²³

Summary: The Maui tragedy was caused by "Green" policies

Failure to actively manage flammable grasses and instead letting them grow "naturally"

Spending money on expensive "green" energy and not on power-line maintenance

Deprioritizing water release in favor of "green" concerns