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Today, the Western Canadian province of Alberta asked Albertans to reduce their electricity consumption as that province with it's heavy reliance on wind in certain areas reaches it's limits in times of higher usage.

Strangely eneough this was never a problem before a former socialist provincial government decommissioned their coal fired power plants. Today, gas powered plants keep the lights running while massive ugly wind turbines provide an expensive, but ineffective virtue signalling toy for the province's urban leftists.

An entire global fleet of electrical vehicles is nothing more than a pipe dream.
 
1. There isn't enough raw materials to transform the global fleet.
2. It would turn the entire planet into one giant tailings pond as every inch of the third world is ripped open for rare earth metals and poisoned to make people in developed countries feel smug about their environmental footprint.
3. How would the exponential increase in electricity demand be met? It would not be wind and solar because we do not have the raw materials necessary let alone the land for diffuse sources of energy.
4. One hundred percent of ICE batteries are recycled. That is not the case for electric car batteries. Where would the world get the land to dispose of massive toxic batteries? Ship them to third world countries?
5. The developing=developed country divide. The U.N. Children's Fund (UNICEF) reports that about 20 percent of cobalt supplied from the DRC comes from artisanal mines, "where human rights abuses have been reported, and up to 40,000 children work in extremely dangerous conditions in the mines for meagre income."

The U.N. also fears that cobalt-copper mines in DRC may contain sulphur minerals that contribute to Acid mine drainage (AMD), a phenomenon that causes pollution or contamination of surface water, thereby increasing the toxicity of rivers and drinking water.

Does anybody think developing countries will tolerate a hundred fold increase in deadly pollution and human rights abuses just because developed countries have foolishly mandated an electrical fleet.


I can go on, but I think this is a good start for now.

The ball is in your court Gremlin.

Look Gremlin, I am looking for a civil debate on energy generation and ev mandates. I will not call you names. I am not a flamer, I do not substitute ad hom attacks for topic discussion. I wil pick apart any points you make I think are incorrect. I will not call you a cocksucker. But, you are free to call me a Trumptard even though I do not want him to be president again.

What do you say? Let the debate begin.

one thing i've learned is that you can't get results from just setting up a red pill vending machine.... if you want real results, you gotta take it to em.... hit em in the face a few times with it.... get em mad and THEN install a vending machine....

Ban books & ban indictments is the only way to Freedumb!

Quote from: Gremlin on August 30, 2023, 03:22:32 PMBan books & ban indictments is the only way to Freedumb!

i'm quite unfamiliar with you so i don't actually know what your mental capabilities are.... i try not to let other ppls opinions of folks affect my opinion of them.... but i feel like i should tell you - posts like the one i'm quoting don't help your case nor cause.... it actually makes you look like you have EVEN LESS of a valid point (if the were even possible for a liberal).... now this may be just how you entertain yourself and thats cool.... but if you actually CARE about the policies you represent, you should know you're doing them a great disservice representing them in such an ignorant fashion....

Quote from: Gremlin on August 30, 2023, 03:22:32 PMBan books & ban indictments is the only way to Freedumb!

Talk to your doctor if you experience TDS hot flashes lasting more than 4 years

Is this a bad time, snowflakes?

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I applaud DKG for his gentle patience, but I guess Admin - er, I mean Gremlin - decided to answer deadskinmask's question about his mental capacities with a TDS meme.

It might be my fault.  I was over at BF earlier and I accidentally triggered him into a meme spam rage that went on for 10 or 15 posts.

Quote from: Reggie Essent on August 30, 2023, 04:25:10 PMI applaud DKG for his gentle patience, but I guess Admin - er, I mean Gremlin - decided to answer deadskinmask's question about his mental capacities with a TDS meme.

It might be my fault.  I was over at BF earlier and I accidentally triggered him into a meme spam rage that went on for 10 or 15 posts.

That ginger cock repository wakes up in the morning triggered before his webbed feet even touch the piss soaked floorboards

Quote from: Gremlin on August 30, 2023, 03:22:32 PMBan books & ban indictments is the only way to Freedumb!

As I said in Shoutbox, if you want to talk about Trump(or Ron DeSantis) you should explain how either are germane to the discussion at hand. In this case we are talking about electricity pollcy and ev mandates. Since you brought up the Biden administration's abuse of power to block his main opponent and also school textbooks in Florida, please explain how either has any relevance to jacking up electricity costs with wind and solar subsidies or the unsustainability of electric vehicles? Perhaps I am not perceptive and missed the link. Here's your chance to educate us.

But I too applaud brother DKG's earnest and authentic efforts to drag a logical debate out of a rock spider like AIDsmin.

It's a noble effort, but sooner or later he'll get over this pipe dream and realize what we have all come to know about this fucking drooling primate. He, and the other idiots he consorts with are hopeless. Absolutely and unequivocally hopeless 

it may take him some time to get there as we all have our own tolerance levels but he will arrive. Eventually

Hell, it took Dove nearly two years to accept this so he's in excellent company as far as I am concerned

Quote from: deadskinmask on August 30, 2023, 03:13:11 PMone thing i've learned is that you can't get results from just setting up a red pill vending machine.... if you want real results, you gotta take it to em.... hit em in the face a few times with it.... get em mad and THEN install a vending machine....

You mean like you did with us when we are had our COVID war? You won that debate by a country mile.

I do have strong opinions on this thread topic. I can back up a lot of my opinions with data too. But, I do not have your debate skills. You are the Vivek Ramaswamy of the forums.

Quote from: Biggie Smiles on August 30, 2023, 04:39:00 PMBut I too applaud brother DKG's earnest and authentic efforts to drag a logical debate out of a rock spider like AIDsmin.

It's a noble effort, but sooner or later he'll get over this pipe dream and realize what we have all come to know about this fucking drooling primate. He, and the other idiots he consorts with are hopeless. Absolutely and unequivocally hopeless 

it may take him some time to get there as we all have our own tolerance levels but he will arrive. Eventually

Hell, it took Dove nearly two years to accept this so he's in excellent company as far as I am concerned

What am I doing wrong? I think I am being civil. I am trying my best to stick to the thread topic.

Quote from: DKG on August 30, 2023, 04:35:39 PMAs I said in Shoutbox, if you want to talk about Trump(or Ron DeSantis) you should explain how either are germane to the discussion at hand. In this case we are talking about electricity pollcy and ev mandates. Since you brought up the Biden administration's abuse of power to block his main opponent and also school textbooks in Florida, please explain how either has any relevance to jacking up electricity costs with wind and solar subsidies or the unsustainability of electric vehicles? Perhaps I am not perceptive and missed the link. Here's your chance to educate us.

First and foremost my dear friend.

Multi sylable words like sustainability, germane, electricity, discussion? etc etc? Out of the question.

This mewling Muppet can hardly process simple grunts and groans with any level of efficiency so words like those are only going to inspire violent, sudden and sustained bowel movements of the very milky variety followed up by three or four stupid memes which have no relevance whatsoever

Know thy target, friend.

Quote from: deadskinmask on August 30, 2023, 03:32:47 PMi'm quite unfamiliar with you so i don't actually know what your mental capabilities are.... i try not to let other ppls opinions of folks affect my opinion of them.... but i feel like i should tell you - posts like the one i'm quoting don't help your case nor cause.... it actually makes you look like you have EVEN LESS of a valid point (if the were even possible for a liberal).... now this may be just how you entertain yourself and thats cool.... but if you actually CARE about the policies you represent, you should know you're doing them a great disservice representing them in such an ignorant fashion....

What policies? I brought up electricy policy because he mentioned "Trumptards oppose electricity" in the Shoutbox. I started this thread so he can explain where he stands on that as well as ev mandates circa 2035 in most jurisdictions.

Quote from: DKG on August 30, 2023, 04:41:44 PMWhat am I doing wrong? I think I am being civil. I am trying my best to stick to the thread topic.

I kind of alluded to it in the post preceding this one but

watch this video and envision me as bruce willis telling you that things like Logic, facts, reason, understanding, competency, intellect - etc etc gotta go.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMX5wi7Vz0Q

Maybe pick your nose and flip boogers at him. If nothing else he may view you as a friendly if you do that

Quote from: Biggie Smiles on August 30, 2023, 04:47:44 PMI kind of alluded to it in the post preceding this one but

watch this video and envision me as bruce willis telling you that things like Logic, facts, reason, understanding, competency, intellect - etc etc gotta go.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMX5wi7Vz0Q

Maybe pick your nose and flip boogers at him. If nothing else he may view you as a friendly if you do that

I thought this was because of what dsm mentioned. Gremlin is entertaining himself. A self indulgence if you will. Kind of like Joe threads. But, he might break out and show he actually has an opinion or two.

Producing energy intensive batteries for electric cars invariably generates significant CO2 emissions. Electric cars have a huge carbon deficit when they hit the road, and will start saving emissions only after being driven 60,000 kilometers. That is without all the heavy metal poisons that seep into waterways from the mines where ev raw materials are extracted.

Quote from: DKG on August 30, 2023, 04:52:57 PMI thought this was because of what dsm mentioned. Gremlin is entertaining himself. A self indulgence if you will. Kind of like Joe threads. But, he might break out and show he actually has an opinion or two.

For all his pestering and ability to be a general nuisance JOe is at least willing to attempt a civil debate.

Joe is a decent and sometimes funny troll whereas AIDSmin is like some really dumbed down version of a happy hyena smiling and drooling as it swivels endlessly in it's computer chair to the sound of his own armpit farts

The guy has the retention capacity of a fucking goldfish

Quote from: DKG on August 30, 2023, 04:55:38 PMProducing energy intensive batteries for electric cars invariably generates significant CO2 emissions. Electric cars have a huge carbon deficit when they hit the road, and will start saving emissions only after being driven 60,000 kilometers. That is without all the heavy metal poisons that seep into waterways from the mines where ev raw materials are extracted.

I read in a journal somewhere by an electrical engineer that showed how more therms of energy are used to generate electricity and transmit it to a charging station for a single EV charge then the therms expended extracting, transporting, refining and re-transporting 20 gallons of premium unleaded to fill the tank of an SUV.

 ... but the polar bears are dying, don't you know.

All you need is 12,000 more votes my little trumplicans

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Quote from: Reggie Essent on August 30, 2023, 05:12:45 PMI read in a journal somewhere by an electrical engineer that showed how more therms of energy are used to generate electricity and transmit it to a charging station for a single EV charge then the therms expended extracting, transporting, refining and re-transporting 20 gallons of premium unleaded to fill the tank of an SUV.

 ... but the polar bears are dying, don't you know.

I read something like that. Elctric vehicles waste energy.

Gremlin has not even stated where he stands on the issue of diffuse vs concetrated energy sources or ev mandates. Just more anti Trump memes.

I take it he has no opinions on real issues that affect us all. If he does, he is unable to express them.

Quote from: DKG on August 30, 2023, 06:23:42 PMGremlin has not even stated where he stands on the issue of diffuse vs concetrated energy sources or ev mandates. Just more anti Trump memes.

I take it he has no opinions on real issues that affect us all. If he does, he is unable to express them.

I see the angle here good sir. You are attempting to shame this cock cushion into valid and coherent responses

One fatal flaw in your reasoning here bud. You failed to factor in that these vermin cockroaches have no shame

They are completely devoid of it and are totally divorced from any reality which highlights that fact before them

otherwise they wouldn't be liberals to begin with

Quote from: Biggie Smiles on August 30, 2023, 06:30:22 PMI see the angle here good sir. You are attempting to shame this cock cushion into valid and coherent responses

It works with a lot of people. But, not Gremlin.

Quote from: DKG on August 30, 2023, 06:42:14 PMIt works with a lot of people. But, not Gremlin.

One conclusion that you will inevitably draw once you have interacted with enough of these mindless wombat koolaid drinking spazholes is that step one of their identity vaporizing process is to first strip them of any sense of self awareness and/or ability to feel shame.

It is a prerequisite in fact to becoming a liberal democrat in the first place.

This is of paramount importance to their DNC puppeteers that they neither have a conscience, a firm grip on reality or the ability to think for themselves. So things like shame, self reflection and emotional growth of any kind are strictly out of the question. Those things are strictly prohibited. As they are racist and have a systemic and overly negative impact to marginalized communities. They are orange man bad.

Take one perfect example of what I am talking about here. Murdock. There is no shame or sense of self awareness in that Buffalo Bimbo whatsoever. Not a single iota Erica Mena Dove am I lying here?

Otherwise, how does a rational person explain her continued insistence her own hotness and viability as some kind of "Sex kitten" -- oh god, I just puked a little in my own mouth

And there are literally thousands of other examples of this very same phenomenon to choose from ranging from the transtesticle boutique sexual fetish brigade where the belief is firmly held that men can click their heels three times and magically transport into complete womanhood; to the morons who will admit once pressed that the vaccine will not do a single thing besides ensure that you do not die from catching COVID while at the same time expressing outrage at the fact that you are hesitant to taking it. Because of course, despite the contradictions in their own statements and total separation from logic your refusal to increase the chances of your own survival somehow puts them at risk of something. But they never really explain what that something is.


So as you can see, This quality is vital to their continued allegiance to whatever brand of dogshit and failed narrative the DNC is pumping across the wire this week.  IT is for this reason I can assure you with utter conviction that it will be impossible to shame gibbering retard fuckhead hollow headed tard losers like AIDSmin, Oak, Murdy and a few of those other mentally ill losers who have a next to zero grasp on reality.

Quote from: DKG on August 30, 2023, 06:23:42 PMGremlin has not even stated where he stands on the issue of diffuse vs concetrated energy sources or ev mandates. Just more anti Trump memes.

I take it he has no opinions on real issues that affect us all. If he does, he is unable to express them.

He never will.  Sadly, even the supposedly "green" states are slashing or eliminating the amount homeowners get for selling roof top solar to the grid.  They really don't want people getting roof top solar and are getting rid of the financial reasons to do so.  I got in, barely, on California's netmetering 2.0 (which was terrible compared to 1.0) but now they have passed 3.0 which slashes the amount of credit homeowners get by 80%. 

more than likely, this gremlin fella has no opinions to offer.... unfortunately that goes for most liberals.... i think the complete lack of "personal accountability and opinion" is why it appeals to the mentally ill.... this gremlim fella seems even less "footed in reality" than casket and/or seamonkey.... thats pretty scary....

Quote from: DKG on August 30, 2023, 02:37:01 PMToday, the Western Canadian province of Alberta asked Albertans to reduce their electricity consumption as that province with it's heavy reliance on wind in certain areas reaches it's limits in times of higher usage.

Strangely eneough this was never a problem before a former socialist provincial government decommissioned their coal fired power plants. Today, gas powered plants keep the lights running while massive ugly wind turbines provide an expensive, but ineffective virtue signalling toy for the province's urban leftists.

They did that in California too plus they want people to install new electric vehicle charging systems which allows the state to drain the battery of your car or home battery system without your permission.  They claim it is "to protect the grid" but they don't want to pay market rate for it and they don't want you to have a choice about it.

I mean what if I don't want my hypothetical electric car battery to be drained because I know I need to use it?  What if I paid for a home backup battery system for my house because I wanted to power MY house and not other people's houses?  Why is there no credit for the battery degradation repeated charges and deep discharges do to battery packs?  Why don't I get market rate for the electricity I would be supplying?  Add in that the problem was 100% to do with left wing politicians shutting down cheap and reliable power for their unscientific cult and you see why I oppose this despite understanding I need solar (and possibly a home backup battery or two) simply to escape the sky high continuous rate hikes those politicians are forcing onto everyone.

Shit, these communists are now in the process of passing a law so that scrubs (read welfare sucking Democrat voters who refuse to work) won't have to pay for electricity but everyone else has to pay much higher rates.  The rate per kwh keeps going up the more income you make too.  So if you use the same key as someone else he might pay nothing despite using far more total kwh while you pay 10 times the previous rate because "you have a good paying job so fuck you".

It just pisses me off because I don't have a good paying job because of some mythical "white privilege" (BTW Asians are now white according to the Democraps) but because I made sure to qualify myself for a good paying job, actually did a good job, showed up on time, excelled at it because I wanted to build a good career and to have a good reputation in my industry.  Hell, my parents didn't give me a cent for college, I got good grades, applied for scholarships, held a part time job, and even joined the Army Reserve so that I was able to graduate with less than $10,000 in loan debt.  I paid that off in less than two years by living very far below my means, driving the same old paid off car for years and years, and basically saving everything possible.

That was also how I bought my first home in my 20's. So many other people were buying luxury cars, making fun of my old Toyota, going out to bars/eating out daily, while I deliberately stayed loving like a broke college student to save cash.  The reward?  I bought a house, rented out my spare rooms, and it was the "friends" who bought fancy cars and made fun of my old car who paid my mortgage via the rooms I rented to them.

Quote from: Oerdin on August 30, 2023, 08:10:04 PMIt just pisses me off because I don't have a good paying job because of some mythical "white privilege" (BTW Asians are now white according to the Democraps) but because I made sure to qualify myself for a good paying job, actually did a good job, showed up on time, excelled at it because I wanted to build a good career and to have a good reputation in my industry.  Hell, my parents didn't give me a cent for college, I got good grades, applied for scholarships, held a part time job, and even joined the Army Reserve so that I was able to graduate with less than $10,000 in loan debt.  I paid that off in less than two years by living very far below my means, driving the same old paid off car for years and years, and basically saving everything possible.

That was also how I bought my first home in my 20's. So many other people were buying luxury cars, making fun of my old Toyota, going out to bars/eating out daily, while I deliberately stayed loving like a broke college student to save cash.  The reward?  I bought a house, rented out my spare rooms, and it was the "friends" who bought fancy cars and made fun of my old car who paid my mortgage via the rooms I rented to them.

Democrats do not value such accomplishments because they demonstrate clearly the ability of the person to think for themselves and go against the grain.

it's that simple.

Reward the borg mentality so that they can end up with a pliable voting base that HAS the borg mentality

Best shielding from this infectious insanity is to seek temporary refuge in a state which still values such qualities. And I say temporary because the whole country is circling the drain right about now with Red states only comprising the tail end of the loaf. 

Either we take this country back by any means necessary or we enjoy life in the American sewer system democrats are creating.

Quote from: DKG on August 30, 2023, 04:35:39 PMAs I said in Shoutbox, if you want to talk about Trump(or Ron DeSantis) you should explain how either are germane to the discussion at hand. In this case we are talking about electricity pollcy and ev mandates. Since you brought up the Biden administration's abuse of power to block his main opponent and also school textbooks in Florida, please explain how either has any relevance to jacking up electricity costs with wind and solar subsidies or the unsustainability of electric vehicles? Perhaps I am not perceptive and missed the link. Here's your chance to educate us.

Thats not how this is gonna work.

Quote from: DKG on August 30, 2023, 02:53:35 PMAn entire global fleet of electrical vehicles is nothing more than a pipe dream.
 
1. There isn't enough raw materials to transform the global fleet.
2. It would turn the entire planet into one giant tailings pond as every inch of the third world is ripped open for rare earth metals and poisoned to make people in developed countries feel smug about their environmental footprint.
3. How would the exponential increase in electricity demand be met? It would not be wind and solar because we do not have the raw materials necessary let alone the land for diffuse sources of energy.
4. One hundred percent of ICE batteries are recycled. That is not the case for electric car batteries. Where would the world get the land to dispose of massive toxic batteries? Ship them to third world countries?
5. The developing=developed country divide. The U.N. Children's Fund (UNICEF) reports that about 20 percent of cobalt supplied from the DRC comes from artisanal mines, "where human rights abuses have been reported, and up to 40,000 children work in extremely dangerous conditions in the mines for meagre income."

The U.N. also fears that cobalt-copper mines in DRC may contain sulphur minerals that contribute to Acid mine drainage (AMD), a phenomenon that causes pollution or contamination of surface water, thereby increasing the toxicity of rivers and drinking water.

Does anybody think developing countries will tolerate a hundred fold increase in deadly pollution and human rights abuses just because developed countries have foolishly mandated an electrical fleet.


I can go on, but I think this is a good start for now.

The ball is in your court Gremlin.

We are playing a risky game with electricity. Electricity generation must be an all of the above approach. Barack Obama used to support that sensible approach.

Electric autos cannot be a forced transition. If a transition does take place, it must be market forces. Similar to the transition to flat screen televisions.

If we could convince Aidsfaggit that electricity tasted like cawk, he'd take 1.21 jigawats through the asshole and mouth simultaneously. FACT!

Quote from: Oerdin on August 30, 2023, 08:01:01 PMI mean what if I don't want my hypothetical electric car battery to be drained because I know I need to use it?  What if I paid for a home backup battery system for my house because I wanted to power MY house and not other people's houses?  Why is there no credit for the battery degradation repeated charges and deep discharges do to battery packs?  Why don't I get market rate for the electricity I would be supplying?  Add in that the problem was 100% to do with left wing politicians shutting down cheap and reliable power for their unscientific cult and you see why I oppose this despite understanding I need solar (and possibly a home backup battery or two) simply to escape the sky high continuous rate hikes those politicians are forcing onto everyone.

Shit, these communists are now in the process of passing a law so that scrubs (read welfare sucking Democrat voters who refuse to work) won't have to pay for electricity but everyone else has to pay much higher rates.  The rate per kwh keeps going up the more income you make too.  So if you use the same key as someone else he might pay nothing despite using far more total kwh while you pay 10 times the previous rate because "you have a good paying job so fuck you".

Sorry, but the precedent was previously set when the people agreed that businesses should pay a higher rate than private individuals.

Apegirl has shown what a retard he is in this thread. :laughinatu:

Quote from: DKG on August 30, 2023, 04:35:39 PMAs I said in Shoutbox, if you want to talk about Trump(or Ron DeSantis) you should explain how either are germane to the discussion at hand. In this case we are talking about electricity pollcy and ev mandates. Since you brought up the Biden administration's abuse of power to block his main opponent and also school textbooks in Florida, please explain how either has any relevance to jacking up electricity costs with wind and solar subsidies or the unsustainability of electric vehicles? Perhaps I am not perceptive and missed the link. Here's your chance to educate us.

 He won't. He just hates on people and trashes them. He won't actually discuss anything.

Trying to have a civil conversation with a leftist is a complete waste of time. They simply do not possess the intellectual capacity needed.

Quote from: DKG on August 30, 2023, 06:20:39 PMI read something like that. Elctric vehicles waste energy.

You think that's good, you know Bill Gates has a plan to fell a shit-ton of trees and lock them up in hermetically sealed caves for the carbon credits, yeah?