I know taking away paid sick days will not pay off Canada's debt. However, it is an insult to every taxpayer in this country.
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It used to be that government jobs didn't offer the same pay and benefits as private sector jobs, but at least there was job security. That was the trade off.
Negotiations are underway this week between the Public Service Alliance of Canada and the Treasury Board with the latter hoping to "modernize" the sick leave program by replacing it with a new short-term disability plan.
PSAC represents roughly 100,000 workers.
"We will not bargain concessions," Chris Aylward, national executive VP of PSAC, said in a QMI Agency story. He said scaling back the program would be a "major concession."
So what, exactly, are we talking about? Here's what public sector workers receive under the current program: 1.25 paid sick days per month. That's 15 per year.
Let's be clear here: this is not about vacation days. This is three weeks of sick leave – on top of vacation days – that all workers are entitled to.
These days can be banked throughout the term of employment. Although thankfully there is no cash payout at the end.
So this is one of the perks the union is willing to take to the streets for? Taking away this luxury is one of the mean tactics those nasty old Conservatives are unleashing upon society? Give us a break!
It's common sense to get rid of this. Many people in the private sector don't get designated sick days. In fact, a lot of people in the private sector don't even get paid vacation days. Yet these are the folks who are paying the wages of public sector workers. The only major concession here is that taxpayers are forking out for this in the first place.
To want to eliminate this program isn't about judging the quality of work or type of person holding the position. It's a "no hard feelings" proposition. It's simply about creating a sustainable future.
Is it too much to ask public servants to face the same realities as the people they serve?
http://www.edmontonsun.com/2014/07/09/sick-of-union-entitlement
Wasn't there a report last year that showed federal civil servants were sick more often than their counterparts in the private sector?
When you dangle candy in front of people, don't be surprised when they take it.
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When you dangle candy in front of people, don't be surprised when they take it.
Take away the incentive to game the system and you'll be surprised how healthy our snivel serpents suddenly become.
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It used to be that government jobs didn't offer the same pay and benefits as private sector jobs, but at least there was job security. That was the trade off.
Negotiations are underway this week between the Public Service Alliance of Canada and the Treasury Board with the latter hoping to "modernize" the sick leave program by replacing it with a new short-term disability plan.
PSAC represents roughly 100,000 workers.
"We will not bargain concessions," Chris Aylward, national executive VP of PSAC, said in a QMI Agency story. He said scaling back the program would be a "major concession."
So what, exactly, are we talking about? Here's what public sector workers receive under the current program: 1.25 paid sick days per month. That's 15 per year.
Let's be clear here: this is not about vacation days. This is three weeks of sick leave – on top of vacation days – that all workers are entitled to.
These days can be banked throughout the term of employment. Although thankfully there is no cash payout at the end.
So this is one of the perks the union is willing to take to the streets for? Taking away this luxury is one of the mean tactics those nasty old Conservatives are unleashing upon society? Give us a break!
It's common sense to get rid of this. Many people in the private sector don't get designated sick days. In fact, a lot of people in the private sector don't even get paid vacation days. Yet these are the folks who are paying the wages of public sector workers. The only major concession here is that taxpayers are forking out for this in the first place.
To want to eliminate this program isn't about judging the quality of work or type of person holding the position. It's a "no hard feelings" proposition. It's simply about creating a sustainable future.
Is it too much to ask public servants to face the same realities as the people they serve?
http://www.edmontonsun.com/2014/07/09/sick-of-union-entitlement
I don't know about our federal counterparts, but most of the ladies I work with are very dedicated.
^Dedicated to scamming as much as they can out of taxpayers?
By law, vacation time is banked and paid for every working Canadian so where the writer gets this shit about private sector workers not getting paid vacation days is beyond me.
Oh wait, I forgot that we're supposed eat up media bullshit with a golden spoon around here. My bad.
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Oh wait, I forgot that we're supposed eat up media bullshit with a golden spoon around here. My bad.
It said the SICK days cannot be paid out the end. At my company, hourly paid workers can bank up to 80 hours of OT. They can get it paid out anytime they wish. It's their money, they earned it.
I don't have any perk for paid sick days. However, because I'm salaried, I can take a day off to see a doctor or any other appointment without losing any money. As long as all my assignments are all completed on time it's no problem.
What Canadians object to is the potential are the 15 pai sick days per annum. That's an abuse of the taxpayer's money.
You need to read the article again Shen darling.
Do taxpayers really object to paid sick time? I can't say I've seen a lot of people bitching about it - Quite the opposite actually. More people want paid sick time because they don't want to have to use their PAID vacation days for an illness.
Employers are also starting to move in the direction of encouraging sick employees to stay home because of loss in productivity from spreading illnesses around a work site. Those who don't have paid sick time tend not to stay home when ill.
I don't object to bankable OT as a means of padding a sick bank (thank a union for OT pay in the first place seeetheart), but OT is legislated to be paid out at time and a half so a third of your 80 hours are non-worked hours anyway. The argument could be made that your employer is in essence giving you paid sick time.
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Do taxpayers really object to paid sick time? I can't say I've seen a lot of people bitching about it -.
Absofuckingtively, if they fucking knew about it. Before you joined we had a thread which showed federal snivel serpents were far more likely to be sick than their private sector counters. Who the fuck is doing their job when they are taking their additional three weeks AV/annum/sick fucking days? Somebody must be doing it or their jobs are obsolete/and a waste of taxpayer money.
This is an abuse that must fucking end. This kind of fraud would not be tolerated in the private sector and nor should taxpayers tolerate it simply because our gutless elected leaders are scared of public sector union power....FUCK EM ALL!!! :x :x :x
You don't think people know that public service employees get paid sick time? Are you fucking kidding me?!
You can't blame a union if an employer doesn't enforce discipline on abuses that are within their right to enforce BTW.
Again, it's no secret and people aren't jumping up and down. I suspect it's because they'd rather bitch that they should have paid sick days rather than have others lose theirs.
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Do taxpayers really object to paid sick time? I can't say I've seen a lot of people bitching about it -.
Absofuckingtively, if they fucking knew about it. Before you joined we had a thread which showed federal snivel serpents were far more likely to be sick than their private sector counters. Who the fuck is doing their job when they are taking their additional three weeks AV/annum/sick fucking days? Somebody must be doing it or their jobs are obsolete/and a waste of taxpayer money.
This is an abuse that must fucking end. This kind of fraud would not be tolerated in the private sector and nor should taxpayers tolerate it simply because our gutless elected leaders are scared of public sector union power....FUCK EM ALL!!! :x :x :x
so true princess...stop trying to talk sense to this knothead......not possible......if you want proof that the average canadian is close to retardation i give you the ontario election results......so the fact that people aren't rising up in the streets regarding overpaid and useless public servants and their egregious sick benefits means nothing....people now days are too stupid to care and most receive some sort of govt. benefit anyway so wish the gravy train to continue forever.....
Idiocy aside, employers move towards paid sick time as an incentives to attract employees rather than the moving in the opposite direction.
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Incentivizing them to what? Being away from work more often because that is what is happening in the federal snivel service.
Are people sick more often because the have paid sick day?
Prove it.
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Prove it.
There is no denying the federal civil service is sick more often than even their municipal and provincial counterparts let alone the private sector. This tells me that Ottawa is hiring too many unhealthy people or they are taking days off when they are not really sick at all.
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"Look, I think that the great majority of public servants are, when they take time off, they are sick. But there's no question that the rate of sick leave, when you're looking at
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/public-servants-number-of-sick-days-are-unsustainable-clement/article12450013/
About two and a half times sick more often than their private sector counterparts? Something fishy about this.
Why are they sick all the time? Because they have paid sick days?
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Agreed! If they quit and took jobs in the private sector you'd be surprised how healthy they would suddenly become. Thankfully the feds are trying to stop these sick day shenanigans.
I'm not convinced it's because they have paid sick days. Many people have paid sick days and don't take as much time. That speaks to management/morale issues if you ask me.
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Sure, the feds are just hiring really unhealthy people. :roll:
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It used to be that government jobs didn't offer the same pay and benefits as private sector jobs, but at least there was job security. That was the trade off.
Negotiations are underway this week between the Public Service Alliance of Canada and the Treasury Board with the latter hoping to "modernize" the sick leave program by replacing it with a new short-term disability plan.
PSAC represents roughly 100,000 workers.
"We will not bargain concessions," Chris Aylward, national executive VP of PSAC, said in a QMI Agency story. He said scaling back the program would be a "major concession."
So what, exactly, are we talking about? Here's what public sector workers receive under the current program: 1.25 paid sick days per month. That's 15 per year.
Let's be clear here: this is not about vacation days. This is three weeks of sick leave – on top of vacation days – that all workers are entitled to.
These days can be banked throughout the term of employment. Although thankfully there is no cash payout at the end.
So this is one of the perks the union is willing to take to the streets for? Taking away this luxury is one of the mean tactics those nasty old Conservatives are unleashing upon society? Give us a break!
It's common sense to get rid of this. Many people in the private sector don't get designated sick days. In fact, a lot of people in the private sector don't even get paid vacation days. Yet these are the folks who are paying the wages of public sector workers. The only major concession here is that taxpayers are forking out for this in the first place.
To want to eliminate this program isn't about judging the quality of work or type of person holding the position. It's a "no hard feelings" proposition. It's simply about creating a sustainable future.
Is it too much to ask public servants to face the same realities as the people they serve?
http://www.edmontonsun.com/2014/07/09/sick-of-union-entitlement
I don't get bankable paid sick days..
I seldom ever miss work anyway.
The days of bankable paid sick time is going out.
Hey Shen, what's the average age of federal employees?
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Hey Shen, what's the average age of federal employees?
Unlike the federal civil service, we never had it Real Woman..
We can bank overtime when overtime is available or an unpaid leave.
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The days of paid sick days are going out too if Mr. Clement has his way and I hope he does.
Average age is 44.4 and 55.1% women. The feds must have the most unhealthy 44 year old women on any payroll in Canada.
Average age is 44. That means there is older and younger in that mix. Increases in sick time is often see as a working population ages or at least that's what is being noted with other groups.
I can't believe you fight to fuck people over Shen. It kind of blows my mind.
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I can't believe you fight to fuck people over Shen. It kind of blows my mind.
The people getting fucked over are the taxpayers who are footing the bill for this.
My company would have an average age in mid-forties too. Specifically on the hourly rated trades side. Not enough people entering the trades. However, they seem a lot healthier than the ladies in sedentary jobs for the feds......hmmmmm!!
May that is why they are unhealthy - because they have sedentary jobs :P
Oh yes, think of the children ... er taxpayers!
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Oh yes, think of the children ... er taxpayers!
Sitting on their fat asses and scheming about their next sick days to coincide with K-Days in Edmonton, the Ex in Toronto or the Stampede in Calgary.
Yes, and that type of thing is exclusive to government employees. :roll:
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I'm not a federal employee and sit on my "fat ass" thinking about taking days off. :o Is that wrong?
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It used to be that government jobs didn't offer the same pay and benefits as private sector jobs, but at least there was job security. That was the trade off.
Negotiations are underway this week between the Public Service Alliance of Canada and the Treasury Board with the latter hoping to "modernize" the sick leave program by replacing it with a new short-term disability plan.
PSAC represents roughly 100,000 workers.
"We will not bargain concessions," Chris Aylward, national executive VP of PSAC, said in a QMI Agency story. He said scaling back the program would be a "major concession."
So what, exactly, are we talking about? Here's what public sector workers receive under the current program: 1.25 paid sick days per month. That's 15 per year.
Let's be clear here: this is not about vacation days. This is three weeks of sick leave – on top of vacation days – that all workers are entitled to.
These days can be banked throughout the term of employment. Although thankfully there is no cash payout at the end.
So this is one of the perks the union is willing to take to the streets for? Taking away this luxury is one of the mean tactics those nasty old Conservatives are unleashing upon society? Give us a break!
It's common sense to get rid of this. Many people in the private sector don't get designated sick days. In fact, a lot of people in the private sector don't even get paid vacation days. Yet these are the folks who are paying the wages of public sector workers. The only major concession here is that taxpayers are forking out for this in the first place.
To want to eliminate this program isn't about judging the quality of work or type of person holding the position. It's a "no hard feelings" proposition. It's simply about creating a sustainable future.
Is it too much to ask public servants to face the same realities as the people they serve?
http://www.edmontonsun.com/2014/07/09/sick-of-union-entitlement
This is yet another reason I maintain public sector unions are not in the interests of the public.
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Do taxpayers really object to paid sick time? I can't say I've seen a lot of people bitching about it -.
Absofuckingtively, if they fucking knew about it. Before you joined we had a thread which showed federal snivel serpents were far more likely to be sick than their private sector counters. Who the fuck is doing their job when they are taking their additional three weeks AV/annum/sick fucking days? Somebody must be doing it or their jobs are obsolete/and a waste of taxpayer money.
This is an abuse that must fucking end. This kind of fraud would not be tolerated in the private sector and nor should taxpayers tolerate it simply because our gutless elected leaders are scared of public sector union power....FUCK EM ALL!!! :x :x :x
so true princess...stop trying to talk sense to this knothead......not possible......if you want proof that the average canadian is close to retardation i give you the ontario election results......so the fact that people aren't rising up in the streets regarding overpaid and useless public servants and their egregious sick benefits means nothing....people now days are too stupid to care and most receive some sort of govt. benefit anyway so wish the gravy train to continue forever.....
Don't rub it in OL. The Ontario Liberals have the worst record of any government I have ever seen and yet we keep giving them new mandates to make us poorer. When will we ever learn.
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Absofuckingtively, if they fucking knew about it. Before you joined we had a thread which showed federal snivel serpents were far more likely to be sick than their private sector counters. Who the fuck is doing their job when they are taking their additional three weeks AV/annum/sick fucking days? Somebody must be doing it or their jobs are obsolete/and a waste of taxpayer money.
This is an abuse that must fucking end. This kind of fraud would not be tolerated in the private sector and nor should taxpayers tolerate it simply because our gutless elected leaders are scared of public sector union power....FUCK EM ALL!!! :x :x :x
so true princess...stop trying to talk sense to this knothead......not possible......if you want proof that the average canadian is close to retardation i give you the ontario election results......so the fact that people aren't rising up in the streets regarding overpaid and useless public servants and their egregious sick benefits means nothing....people now days are too stupid to care and most receive some sort of govt. benefit anyway so wish the gravy train to continue forever.....
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sorta true... i am a little older so i remember the govts. of Bob Rae, Mike Harcourt, Glen Clark, Allison Redford, Peter Lougheed, Pierre/Justin Trudeau and a host of other socialist assholes.......between them they have succeeded in bankrupting every province and the federal govt....quite a track record...and people are simply too stupid to take the time to ask the tough questions
Glen Clark. What a piece of shit that guy was.
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I don't know much about him, but he could not be any worse than McGuinty and Wynn.
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he was evil......the main reason i bankrupted two companies in the lower mainline, laid off all the employees, moved the assets to Alberta.....and turned them into real companies......evil incarnate
sorry...should read mainland not mainline
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he was evil......the main reason i bankrupted two companies in the lower mainline, laid off all the employees, moved the assets to Alberta.....and turned them into real companies......evil incarnate
You don't know the half of it. I have stories that would make your hair curl.
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he was evil......the main reason i bankrupted two companies in the lower mainline, laid off all the employees, moved the assets to Alberta.....and turned them into real companies......evil incarnate
You don't know the half of it.
those would have to be some real doozies then......i'm sporting my summer buzz these days
Still...
Ugggg!
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he was evil......the main reason i bankrupted two companies in the lower mainline, laid off all the employees, moved the assets to Alberta.....and turned them into real companies......evil incarnate
Who is Glen Clark Obvious Li?
He was Premier in BC in the 90s for a short stint. He was credited with the fast ferries fiasco amoung other things.
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Just curious, how do you feel about the privatization of BC Rail? I think it was the best thing that ever happened to that shitty little class 2 railway.
I'm not up on the deets enough to comment.
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Okie dokie, I know more than the average person about the rail industry, but I will save it for another day.
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he was evil......the main reason i bankrupted two companies in the lower mainline, laid off all the employees, moved the assets to Alberta.....and turned them into real companies......evil incarnate
Who is Glen Clark Obvious Li?
An improvement over McGuinty and Wynn.
Not a chance!
I still cannot believe we gave the Liberals another mandate. They are terrible.
Ditto here in BC.
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seriously...you are disappointed crusty won...seriously
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seriously...you are disappointed crusty won...seriously
The NDP ran on an anti-development platform. They deserved to lose.
I heard on the news that if not for Alberta, Canada would have net job losses this year. The reason.....ONTARIO!!
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seriously...you are disappointed crusty won...seriously
The NDP ran on an anti-development platform. They deserved to lose.
I heard on the news that if not for Alberta, Canada would have net job losses this year. The reason.....ONTARIO!!
My husband told me that his company has received resumes from applicants in Ontario.
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seriously...you are disappointed crusty won...seriously
Yes I am. I did laugh when she couldn't get elected in her own riding and thought it was bullshit when someone who was elected stepped down so she could get in.
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seriously...you are disappointed crusty won...seriously
Yes I am. I did laugh when she couldn't get elected in her own riding and thought it was bullshit when someone who was elected stepped down so she could get in.
But, the premier of BC didn't set a precedent with that move.
I think it's a bullshit electoral loop hole.