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Title: BC Tailings Pond Spills Millions Of Litres Into Lake
Post by: Anonymous on August 05, 2014, 09:43:11 PM
Contrary to what some people believe, tailings ponds are not confined to just one smal region of Canada. I don't believe this unfortunate mistake will be deadly. However, the company could have taken better precautions, but it is not to late to get it right. Mines produce something we all need and provide good jobs for British Columbians.


QuoteAn estimated 10 million cubic metres of water and 4.5 million cubic metres of toxic waste — equivalent to 2,000 Olympic-sized swimming pools — spilled into Hazeltine Creek, Quesnel Lake and Polley Lake when the tailings pond failed early Monday morning. The waste water has caused Hazeltine Creek to expand from just over one metre to nearly 46 metres.



"Polley Lake rose about 1.5 metres above its normal height and steps are being taken to pump some of that water into the springer pit so we can start dropping that water level back to normal," says Kynoch.



everal employees of the mine, who wished to remain anonymous to protect their jobs, have told Global News the same tailings pond had a minor breach three months ago.



But Kynoch says the dam has never failed before.



Common minerals and elements found in tailings, which is the waste material left over from the extraction of metals, can include arsenic, mercury, sulfur and cyanide.



"We have never detected mercury in the tailings pond at Mount Polley," says Kynoch. "There's no mercury there."



"Another one I've heard talked about is arsenic. Arsenic levels are one-fifth of drinking water."



He adds that the company regularly performs toxicity tests on the water in their tailings facility and it is not toxic to rainbow trout, which spawn there.



READ MORE: Tailings pond breach has local eco-tour operators concerned



An Environment Canada filing from Mount Polley Mine lists all the substances disposed of in the tailings pond – including manganese, cadmium, phosphorous and mercury.



But it is not known how mobile those substances are.



Substances listed as disposed "on-site" in Imperial Metals' 2013 Mount Polley Mine report (Note: It's unclear how mobile these solids were, how much was in water, if any, and how much spilled as solids, if any)



Phosphorus – 41,640 tonnes

Manganese – 20,988 tonnes

Copper – 18,413 tonnes

Vanadium – 5,047 tonnes

Zinc – 2,169 tonnes

Cobalt – 475 tonnes

Nickel – 326 tonnes

Antimony – 14 tonnes

Arsenic – 406,122 kg

Lead – 177,041 kg

Selenium – 46,136 kg

Cadmium – 6,487 kg

Mercury – 3,114 kg

Kynoch says "Imperial accepts that it is our responsibility to put this right."



"Our first priority was, and continues to be, the health and safety of our employees and our neighbours. So we have to work hard to make sure we don't hurt anyone," he adds.



"If you had asked me two weeks ago if that could happen, I would say it couldn't happen."



Since the news of the tailings pond breach, the shares of Imperial Metals Corporation have dropped 42 per cent.

http://globalnews.ca/news/1493170/water-from-breached-tailings-pond-near-likely-b-c-almost-drinkable-imperial-metals-president/
Title: Re: BC Tailings Pond Spills Millions Of Litres Into Lake
Post by: RW on August 05, 2014, 10:36:56 PM
This is the problem.  No one means for this stuff to happen but it isn't uncommon in the least.
Title: Re: BC Tailings Pond Spills Millions Of Litres Into Lake
Post by: Anonymous on August 05, 2014, 10:46:22 PM
Quote from: "Real Woman"This is the problem.  No one means for this stuff to happen but it isn't uncommon in the least.

Planes can crash, ships can sink, trucks can get in accidents, trains can derail, infrastructure like bridges can collapse. At least nobody was hurt(that I'm aware of). The toxic waste can and will be cleaned up. Sports fishermen and holidayers don't like things like mines, factories and pulp mills, but they provide much better jobs than pandering to tourists.



BTW, how far is that mine from your place?
Title: Re: BC Tailings Pond Spills Millions Of Litres Into Lake
Post by: Anonymous on August 06, 2014, 12:00:17 AM
Quote from: "Shen Li"Contrary to what some people believe, tailings ponds are not confined to just one smal region of Canada. I don't believe this unfortunate mistake will be deadly. However, the company could have taken better precautions, but it is not to late to get it right. Mines produce something we all need and provide good jobs for British Columbians.


QuoteAn estimated 10 million cubic metres of water and 4.5 million cubic metres of toxic waste — equivalent to 2,000 Olympic-sized swimming pools — spilled into Hazeltine Creek, Quesnel Lake and Polley Lake when the tailings pond failed early Monday morning. The waste water has caused Hazeltine Creek to expand from just over one metre to nearly 46 metres.



"Polley Lake rose about 1.5 metres above its normal height and steps are being taken to pump some of that water into the springer pit so we can start dropping that water level back to normal," says Kynoch.



everal employees of the mine, who wished to remain anonymous to protect their jobs, have told Global News the same tailings pond had a minor breach three months ago.



But Kynoch says the dam has never failed before.



Common minerals and elements found in tailings, which is the waste material left over from the extraction of metals, can include arsenic, mercury, sulfur and cyanide.



"We have never detected mercury in the tailings pond at Mount Polley," says Kynoch. "There's no mercury there."



"Another one I've heard talked about is arsenic. Arsenic levels are one-fifth of drinking water."



He adds that the company regularly performs toxicity tests on the water in their tailings facility and it is not toxic to rainbow trout, which spawn there.



READ MORE: Tailings pond breach has local eco-tour operators concerned



An Environment Canada filing from Mount Polley Mine lists all the substances disposed of in the tailings pond – including manganese, cadmium, phosphorous and mercury.



But it is not known how mobile those substances are.



Substances listed as disposed "on-site" in Imperial Metals' 2013 Mount Polley Mine report (Note: It's unclear how mobile these solids were, how much was in water, if any, and how much spilled as solids, if any)



Phosphorus – 41,640 tonnes

Manganese – 20,988 tonnes

Copper – 18,413 tonnes

Vanadium – 5,047 tonnes

Zinc – 2,169 tonnes

Cobalt – 475 tonnes

Nickel – 326 tonnes

Antimony – 14 tonnes

Arsenic – 406,122 kg

Lead – 177,041 kg

Selenium – 46,136 kg

Cadmium – 6,487 kg

Mercury – 3,114 kg

Kynoch says "Imperial accepts that it is our responsibility to put this right."



"Our first priority was, and continues to be, the health and safety of our employees and our neighbours. So we have to work hard to make sure we don't hurt anyone," he adds.



"If you had asked me two weeks ago if that could happen, I would say it couldn't happen."



Since the news of the tailings pond breach, the shares of Imperial Metals Corporation have dropped 42 per cent.

http://globalnews.ca/news/1493170/water-from-breached-tailings-pond-near-likely-b-c-almost-drinkable-imperial-metals-president/

shitty
Title: Re: BC Tailings Pond Spills Millions Of Litres Into Lake
Post by: Anonymous on August 06, 2014, 07:16:38 AM
Quote from: "Shen Li"Contrary to what some people believe, tailings ponds are not confined to just one smal region of Canada. I don't believe this unfortunate mistake will be deadly. However, the company could have taken better precautions, but it is not to late to get it right. Mines produce something we all need and provide good jobs for British Columbians.


QuoteAn estimated 10 million cubic metres of water and 4.5 million cubic metres of toxic waste — equivalent to 2,000 Olympic-sized swimming pools — spilled into Hazeltine Creek, Quesnel Lake and Polley Lake when the tailings pond failed early Monday morning. The waste water has caused Hazeltine Creek to expand from just over one metre to nearly 46 metres.



"Polley Lake rose about 1.5 metres above its normal height and steps are being taken to pump some of that water into the springer pit so we can start dropping that water level back to normal," says Kynoch.



everal employees of the mine, who wished to remain anonymous to protect their jobs, have told Global News the same tailings pond had a minor breach three months ago.



But Kynoch says the dam has never failed before.



Common minerals and elements found in tailings, which is the waste material left over from the extraction of metals, can include arsenic, mercury, sulfur and cyanide.



"We have never detected mercury in the tailings pond at Mount Polley," says Kynoch. "There's no mercury there."



"Another one I've heard talked about is arsenic. Arsenic levels are one-fifth of drinking water."



He adds that the company regularly performs toxicity tests on the water in their tailings facility and it is not toxic to rainbow trout, which spawn there.



READ MORE: Tailings pond breach has local eco-tour operators concerned



An Environment Canada filing from Mount Polley Mine lists all the substances disposed of in the tailings pond – including manganese, cadmium, phosphorous and mercury.



But it is not known how mobile those substances are.



Substances listed as disposed "on-site" in Imperial Metals' 2013 Mount Polley Mine report (Note: It's unclear how mobile these solids were, how much was in water, if any, and how much spilled as solids, if any)



Phosphorus – 41,640 tonnes

Manganese – 20,988 tonnes

Copper – 18,413 tonnes

Vanadium – 5,047 tonnes

Zinc – 2,169 tonnes

Cobalt – 475 tonnes

Nickel – 326 tonnes

Antimony – 14 tonnes

Arsenic – 406,122 kg

Lead – 177,041 kg

Selenium – 46,136 kg

Cadmium – 6,487 kg

Mercury – 3,114 kg

Kynoch says "Imperial accepts that it is our responsibility to put this right."



"Our first priority was, and continues to be, the health and safety of our employees and our neighbours. So we have to work hard to make sure we don't hurt anyone," he adds.



"If you had asked me two weeks ago if that could happen, I would say it couldn't happen."



Since the news of the tailings pond breach, the shares of Imperial Metals Corporation have dropped 42 per cent.

http://globalnews.ca/news/1493170/water-from-breached-tailings-pond-near-likely-b-c-almost-drinkable-imperial-metals-president/

Oh this is terrible..

 :(

I hope for the sake of local residents any harmful byproducts are removed and no harm comes to any people.
Title: Re: BC Tailings Pond Spills Millions Of Litres Into Lake
Post by: RW on August 06, 2014, 09:42:48 AM
Quote from: "Shen Li"
Quote from: "Real Woman"This is the problem.  No one means for this stuff to happen but it isn't uncommon in the least.

Planes can crash, ships can sink, trucks can get in accidents, trains can derail, infrastructure like bridges can collapse. At least nobody was hurt(that I'm aware of). The toxic waste can and will be cleaned up. Sports fishermen and holidayers don't like things like mines, factories and pulp mills, but they provide much better jobs than pandering to tourists.



BTW, how far is that mine from your place?

I understand the job perspective and I don't jump up and down over mining like some.  The trouble is, to you and so many others reading this story it's a "clean up on aisle 2" situation.  It's not that simple.  There will be no reversing this completely and that's the thing some people don't seem to understand.  You can't just take it back.  This is why people don't want these industries.



It's far north of me.  I'm about as south as you can get without being an American.
Title: Re: BC Tailings Pond Spills Millions Of Litres Into Lake
Post by: Romero on August 06, 2014, 03:42:11 PM
This wouldn't have happened if we were allowed to build that toxic tailings pond pipeline to Alberta!



Disasters like this are only becoming more common because these companies only care about profits. Rarely a day goes by now without hearing about leaks and spills.


QuoteConcerns raised in a report three years before a massive tailings pond breached at the Mount Polley gold and copper mine in central British Columbia were "basically ignored," said a First Nations leader whose territory has been soiled by the disaster.



Bev Sellers, chief of the Xatsull First Nation, also known as the Soda Creek Indian Band, said many members of her band were in tears when they learned of Monday's release of a slurry of contaminated water and mine waste into several local waterways.



"Because they know the destruction that's going to happen from this breach. It's just a real sad day," she said in an interview Tuesday.



//http://www.macleans.ca/news/canada/warnings-about-b-c-tailings-pond-growth-ignored-before-collapse/

QuoteThe company also said, "Monitoring instruments and onsite personnel had no indication of an impending breach."



But Brian Olding, an environmental consultant who examined the Mount Polley mine tailings pond, says the storage facility was growing at an unsustainable rate.



He says Imperial Metals was building the walls of the storage dam higher and higher to hold back the contaminated water, and was seeking a permit to treat and release some of the water to keep the size of the pond in check.



//http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2014/08/05/mount-polley-mine-tailings-pond_n_5651680.html?ir=Canada+British+Columbia

The president of Imperial Metals says the water from the tailing pond was "very close to drinking water quality". Really? The pond had 26 tonnes of nickel, over 400,000 kilograms of arsenic, 177,000 kilograms of lead and 18,400 tonnes of copper in it. Who wants Kool-Aid?
Title: Re: BC Tailings Pond Spills Millions Of Litres Into Lake
Post by: Anonymous on August 06, 2014, 07:10:34 PM
Quote from: "Real Woman"
I understand the job perspective and I don't jump up and down over mining like some.  The trouble is, to you and so many others reading this story it's a "clean up on aisle 2" situation.  It's not that simple.  There will be no reversing this completely and that's the thing some people don't seem to understand.  You can't just take it back.  This is why people don't want these industries.

Actually, it can and will be if done right. All those nasty-ass toxic chemicals you saw listed can occur almost anywhere. They are concentrated when they come out as waste from a mine's tailings pond. Once the sediment settles and is separated from the water rainbow trout(yuck, worst fish I have ever eaten), will not even have this season's spawn interrupted.



It really is much ado about nothing. I can think of so many more potential environmental problems than this one that do NOT get covered by the press.
Title: Re: BC Tailings Pond Spills Millions Of Litres Into Lake
Post by: Anonymous on August 06, 2014, 07:27:48 PM
QuoteRomero wrote:

This wouldn't have happened if we were allowed to build that toxic tailings pond pipeline to Alberta!



Disasters like this are only becoming more common because these companies only care about profits. Rarely a day goes by now without hearing about leaks and spills.

 :lol:  :lol:  :lol: Disaster?? Good Gawd man, get a hold of yourself. The Malaysian airliner shot down was a disaster.



BTW, Albertans are not trying to build a tailings pond pipeline to the West Coast. There isn't much of a market for metals-laden sand. :roll:



Nobody was killed, injured or even sick. The only people this is a disaster for are Imperial Metals shareholders like union pension funds that invest heavily in companies. With the exception of temporary potable water restrictions for local residents, this isn't even a boo boo.



The only people that see this as a disaster and refuse to acknowledge how much these industries contribute to Canada are hyper-rich enviro NGO's that want to see all Canadian industry leave this country.

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QuoteThe president of Imperial Metals says the water from the tailing pond was "very close to drinking water quality". Really? The pond had 26 tonnes of nickel, over 400,000 kilograms of arsenic, 177,000 kilograms of lead and 18,400 tonnes of copper in it. Who wants Kool-Aid?

Romero,



Those are the metals-laden sand waste disposed of for the entire year of 2013. It was not released into a lake for Gawd's sake. It's the government's fault this happened because they would not issue a permit to the mine to drain excess water into Hazeltine Creek.



In filings made to Canada's National Pollutant Release Inventory in 2013 — which is only one year's worth of data, but gives some idea of what the mine's byproducts are — Imperial Metals recorded disposing of quantities of arsenic, lead, manganese, cobalt, mercury and other harmful mining byproducts.



Mount Polley mine on-site disposal in 2013:



Arsenic (and its compounds): 406 tonnes

Lead (and its compounds) 177 tonnes

Nickel (and its compounds) 326 tonnes

Vanadium (except when in an alloy): 5,047 tonnes

Zinc (and its compounds): 2,169 tonnes

Cadmium (and its compounds): 6 tonnes

Cobalt (and its compounds): 475 tonnes

Phosphorus (total): 41,640 tonnes

Copper (and its compounds): 18,413 tonnes

Antimony (and its compounds) 14 tonnes

Manganese (and its compounds): 20,988 tonnes

Mercury (and its compounds): 3 tonnes

Selenium (and its compounds): 46 tonnes

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/mount-polley-mine-tailings-water-very-close-to-drinking-quality-company-says-1.2727776
Title: Re: BC Tailings Pond Spills Millions Of Litres Into Lake
Post by: RW on August 06, 2014, 09:46:12 PM
Quote from: "Shen Li"
Quote from: "Real Woman"
I understand the job perspective and I don't jump up and down over mining like some.  The trouble is, to you and so many others reading this story it's a "clean up on aisle 2" situation.  It's not that simple.  There will be no reversing this completely and that's the thing some people don't seem to understand.  You can't just take it back.  This is why people don't want these industries.

Actually, it can and will be if done right. All those nasty-ass toxic chemicals you saw listed can occur almost anywhere. They are concentrated when they come out as waste from a mine's tailings pond. Once the sediment settles and is separated from the water rainbow trout(yuck, worst fish I have ever eaten), will not even have this season's spawn interrupted.



It really is much ado about nothing. I can think of so many more potential environmental problems than this one that do NOT get covered by the press.

Yeah they said that here too and now the Americans are complaining about higher cancer rates and other unexplainable disorders.  I know people who have challenged kids from heavy metal poisoning.



I grew up near tailing ponds.  I've seen them with my own eyes.  I've heard about them leeching many many times.  



The effects of these types of accidents are wide spread and long term.  You are deluding yourself if you think otherwise.
Title: Re: BC Tailings Pond Spills Millions Of Litres Into Lake
Post by: Anonymous on August 06, 2014, 10:31:27 PM
Quote from: "Real Woman"
Yeah they said that here too and now the Americans are complaining about higher cancer rates and other unexplainable disorders.  I know people who have challenged kids from heavy metal poisoning.



I grew up near tailing ponds.  I've seen them with my own eyes.  I've heard about them leeching many many times.  



The effects of these types of accidents are wide spread and long term.  You are deluding yourself if you think otherwise.

Perhaps you can provide evidence to show where elevated exposure to metals in from abandoned tailings ponds in SE BC were above levels where there would be a potential concern for human health? I realize BC does not have the same strict standards as Alberta when it comes to reclamation, but maybe you can point out the epidemiological study that confirms your suspicions?



Back to the tailings pond breach that the Williams Lake Indian Band bears some responsibility for, it seems the worst thing about this huge tailings pond spill are the massive "beaver dams" of slurry, silt and debris floating around. The tailings water was alkaline, not acidic, with a pH of 8.5 (7 is neutral; anything below 7 is acidic). Most metals dissolve faster in acidic water, so alkaline tailings are a good thing.
Title: Re: BC Tailings Pond Spills Millions Of Litres Into Lake
Post by: RW on August 06, 2014, 11:03:40 PM
When said tailing ponds leech into creeks and rivers.  DERP.



Search the media you love so much for fines on mining/smelting corps.
Title: Re: BC Tailings Pond Spills Millions Of Litres Into Lake
Post by: Romero on August 06, 2014, 11:18:18 PM
Disaster:



- 10 billion litres of toxic water contaminating several lakes, creeks and rivers; 4.5 million cubic metres of metals-laden silt

- drinking water and water-use ban

- regional state of emergency, and



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Just look at that crappy berm. No kidding it was about to go.



Hundreds of tons of toxic heavy metals in an instant is not something that occurs anywhere. How on Earth are they going to clean up all those rivers, creeks and lakes? Good for those trout, but one million salmon are headed that way right now. It's a disaster for the regional tourism industry. It might get into the Fraser.



"If you asked me two weeks ago if this could have happened, I would have said it couldn't."

- Imperial Metals president Brian Kynoch


QuoteMount Polley mine tailings pond breach followed years of government warnings



A Ministry of Environment spokesperson said the ministry gave the company its latest of five warnings in May, this time for exceeding the permitted height of wastewater within its tailings pond.



Brian Olding, the environmental consultant who carried out the 2009 assessment for the company and local First Nations groups, says the pond levels were already getting too high five years ago.



//http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/mount-polley-mine-tailings-pond-breach-followed-years-of-government-warnings-1.2728591

It's criminal negligence.



Imperial Metals stock plunged 40% today too.
Title: Re: BC Tailings Pond Spills Millions Of Litres Into Lake
Post by: Anonymous on August 06, 2014, 11:22:31 PM
Quote from: "Real Woman"When said tailing ponds leech into creeks and rivers.  DERP.



Search the media you love so much for fines on mining/smelting corps.

In other words, you just suspect it, no science? I would be more concerned about air pollution from pulp and paper mills like the one in Pictou, Nova Scotia that have real measurable air and/or water pollution.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/locals-fume-over-pictou-pulp-mill-emissions/article19909917/
Title: Re: BC Tailings Pond Spills Millions Of Litres Into Lake
Post by: Romero on August 06, 2014, 11:38:06 PM
Those pics I posted don't anywhere near convey the severity enough.



//https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vg3yd8GPSnA



It's really bad.
Title: Re: BC Tailings Pond Spills Millions Of Litres Into Lake
Post by: Anonymous on August 06, 2014, 11:59:15 PM
^ That's just it Romero, a picture of a broken berm means nothing. It just means someone caught an interesting image. I could post pictures of a plane crash, a dam breaking, the Alberta floods, the Saskatchewan floods, but that doesn't tell the real story, so here it is.


QuoteIt's criminal negligence.

It is, but the Williams Lake Indian Band is partly to blame. They opposed issuing the permit that would have allowed Mount Polley to use Hazeltine Creek for the excess water they use.


QuoteImperial Metals stock plunged 40% today too.

Well yeah, who do you think is going to pay for the pricey clean-up? As I said, this is only a disaster for the mine employees and Imperial Metals shareholders.


 
Quote10 billion litres of toxic water contaminating several lakes, creeks and rivers

Where is your proof that lakes, creeks and rivers are contaminated? According to Imperial Metals themselves the tailings water(not the solids) were alkaline. However, it still isn't clear how much of a risk the spilled tailings pose.


Quotedrinking water and water-use ban

Standard practice. We had a fairly long one in Alberta after the floods of 2013. Imperial is getting potable water to people until they can get concrete readings for the water.


Quoteregional state of emergency

An international one for Imperial Metals and their employees. The biggest problem is going to be those huge beaver dams floating on the river. They will be hard to stop and could do a lot of damage to people living along riverbeds.



Again, nobody dead, nobody injured, nobody sick, where is the disaster? Again, a disaster for Imperial Metals, but not so much for British Columbians.
Title: Re: BC Tailings Pond Spills Millions Of Litres Into Lake
Post by: RW on August 07, 2014, 12:04:33 AM
Quote from: "Shen Li"
Quote from: "Real Woman"When said tailing ponds leech into creeks and rivers.  DERP.



Search the media you love so much for fines on mining/smelting corps.

In other words, you just suspect it, no science? I would be more concerned about air pollution from pulp and paper mills like the one in Pictou, Nova Scotia that have real measurable air and/or water pollution.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/locals-fume-over-pictou-pulp-mill-emissions/article19909917/

Sweetie, I've lived it.
Title: Re: BC Tailings Pond Spills Millions Of Litres Into Lake
Post by: Anonymous on August 07, 2014, 12:10:40 AM
Quote from: "Real Woman"
Quote from: "Shen Li"
Quote from: "Real Woman"When said tailing ponds leech into creeks and rivers.  DERP.



Search the media you love so much for fines on mining/smelting corps.

In other words, you just suspect it, no science? I would be more concerned about air pollution from pulp and paper mills like the one in Pictou, Nova Scotia that have real measurable air and/or water pollution.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/locals-fume-over-pictou-pulp-mill-emissions/article19909917/

Sweetie, I've lived it.

When did the doctor diagnose you with cancer and who identified the culprit as either pollution from pulp mills or old tailings ponds? The latter must know something beyond a shadow of a doubt that his peers do not.
Title: Re: BC Tailings Pond Spills Millions Of Litres Into Lake
Post by: RW on August 07, 2014, 12:30:09 AM
This aside for a second, why are you defending such a spill as being something without serious consequence?  Do you really believe it?
Title: Re: BC Tailings Pond Spills Millions Of Litres Into Lake
Post by: Romero on August 07, 2014, 01:23:00 AM
Quote from: "Shen Li"It is, but the Williams Lake Indian Band is partly to blame. They opposed issuing the permit that would have allowed Mount Polley to use Hazeltine Creek for the excess water they use.

Oh sure, let's partially blame the band for not wanting their creek contaminated with toxic heavy metals. And we'll partially blame Quesnel Lake residents for not allowing the company to dump all that toxic crap into their lake too.



There was a deal. Imperial Metals said they needed a tailings pond of a certain size and it would be safe. But it would never be enough. They needed more and more water, more and more waterways to dump their crap into, and a larger and larger toxic pond. When would it be enough? Never.



The company never gave a single thought about scaling back to deal with all the toxic water it was producing. Spend a few bucks on the problem? Ha! If they can't just dump it into our waterways for free, they'll just keep going and hope for the best!



Regardless of whether they should have been allowed to freely contaminate a creek that's not theirs, it in no way excuses what happened. They were warned plenty. There are regulations and laws.



We'll see how bad it'll be over the years. There's no way they're going to clean up this mess. Imperial Metals will probably go bankrupt and magically disappear. A handful of people who became rich off of this mine will be doing just fine though.
Title: Re: BC Tailings Pond Spills Millions Of Litres Into Lake
Post by: Anonymous on August 07, 2014, 07:21:59 AM
We talked about this over lunch yesterday at work..



We have concluded there is no comparison to what happened in BC and the flooding in Southern Alberta..



We not only had a drinking water ban, we had a shortage of drinking water while the people in BC are getting water delivered to their houses..



Which reminds we had to abandon our houses and when we returned, they were badly damaged in many cases..



They are waiting for tests of their water, but we had sewage in our houses..



We had damaged bridges, roads, public buildings and C Train lines..



We also did not have a company to pay for clean up and inconveniences like the people in BC do..



For many people here, our lives have not returned to normal and it may never happen..



The most dreadful tragedy of ur floods last year was that four people died..



It looks visually unpleasant for the people of BC, but we wish that was our first concern during our floods.
Title: Re: BC Tailings Pond Spills Millions Of Litres Into Lake
Post by: Anonymous on August 07, 2014, 03:04:30 PM
I should not say oh well about what happened in BC..



It may turn into something very bad, but it has not happened yet and hopefully it does not either..



I just happened to have went through a real disaster last year..



That word is not used lightly after what we experienced in Southern Alberta.
Title: Re: BC Tailings Pond Spills Millions Of Litres Into Lake
Post by: RW on August 07, 2014, 06:00:59 PM
I'm sorry to hear that happened to you Fash.  It was a disaster indeed.  Mother nature can be a cruel mistress.



As unfortunate as that is, it doesn't negate the effects of needless and preventable chemical spills.
Title: Re: BC Tailings Pond Spills Millions Of Litres Into Lake
Post by: Obvious Li on August 07, 2014, 10:10:40 PM
Quote from: "Fashionista"I should not say oh wellabout what happened in BC..



It may turn into something very bad, but it has not happened yet and hopefully it does not either..



I just happened to have went through a real disaster last year..



That word is not used lightly after what we experienced in Southern Alberta.




sorry fash....but RW and her friends don't want to hear about your problems.....they only give a shit when there is an opportunity to stick it to big oil, big mining, any big corporation.....if it can't make page one in the Huff post...not interested
Title: Re: BC Tailings Pond Spills Millions Of Litres Into Lake
Post by: RW on August 07, 2014, 10:30:04 PM
I'm glad Fash shared her story.  I would like to hear more about it actually.



But Munday, I grew up around mining.  I know the shit that goes on with it and it's a lot uglier than sewage in your basement.
Title: Re: BC Tailings Pond Spills Millions Of Litres Into Lake
Post by: Romero on August 08, 2014, 12:50:24 AM
Quote from: "Fashionista"I should not say oh wellabout what happened in BC..



It may turn into something very bad, but it has not happened yet and hopefully it does not either..



I just happened to have went through a real disaster last year..



That word is not used lightly after what we experienced in Southern Alberta.

I'm terribly sorry, I was in no way implying that this compares to last year's flood.



I believe this BC spill may be a regional disaster. What happened in Alberta was a huge disaster. A catastrophe.
Title: Re: BC Tailings Pond Spills Millions Of Litres Into Lake
Post by: Romero on August 08, 2014, 01:07:33 AM
Quote from: "Obvious Li"sorry fash....but RW and her friends don't want to hear about your problems.....they only give a shit when there is an opportunity to stick it to big oil, big mining, any big corporation.....if it can't make page one in the Huff post...not interested

There was huge concern with RW, me, BC'ers and all Canadians. We know it's one of Canada's greatest disasters.



I and many others showed our concern and were glued to the news. Everyone who has suffered are our fellow Canadians, neighbours, relatives and friends.



The floods made the front page and top story of The Huffington Post every day.



BC has given a lot of concern, help and donations.



So now BC has a little problem if that's okay with you. Yeah, it is the mining company's fault. They spilled it.
Title: Re: BC Tailings Pond Spills Millions Of Litres Into Lake
Post by: Anonymous on August 08, 2014, 09:28:46 AM
Quote from: "Romero"
Quote from: "Obvious Li"sorry fash....but RW and her friends don't want to hear about your problems.....they only give a shit when there is an opportunity to stick it to big oil, big mining, any big corporation.....if it can't make page one in the Huff post...not interested

There was huge concern with RW, me, BC'ers and all Canadians. We know it's one of Canada's greatest disasters.



I and many others showed our concern and were glued to the news. Everyone who has suffered are our fellow Canadians, neighbours, relatives and friends.



The floods made the front page and top story of The Huffington Post every day.



BC has given a lot of concern, help and donations.



So now BC has a little problem if that's okay with you. Yeah, it is the mining company's fault. They spilled it.

[size=150]BULL FUCKING SHIT!![/size]



Nobody dead, injured, sick, no homelessness, power still in use, we don't even know any effects on water supplies and yet you have declared it a disaster?? Get some proof first and then we'll talk. You obviously don't what a disaster is. This was an extremely rare event that you can thank your government and Williams Lake Indian Band for that has had minimal impact on humans or wildlife.



As I said, it is a disaster only for Imperial Metals, their employees and shareholders. You are probably just giddy about this.



Fash,



The Alberta floods last year are actually comparable to this. The effects of the Alberta floods sent debris floating everywhere....things like houses for example. The force of the breach in BC scoured away the banks of Hazeltine Creek and sent debris flowing into Quesnel Lake and Polley Lake, which rose 1.5 metres. It was a much smaller scale than the Alberta floods of course, this breach had the same effects as a little flood.
Title: Re: BC Tailings Pond Spills Millions Of Litres Into Lake
Post by: Romero on August 08, 2014, 02:03:31 PM
Quote from: "Shen Li"http://globalnews.ca/video/1497872/extended-aerials-of-mount-polley-mine-disaster[/url]


There doesn't have to be death for something to be called a disaster.
Title: Re: BC Tailings Pond Spills Millions Of Litres Into Lake
Post by: RW on August 08, 2014, 03:42:10 PM
Why are we comparing disasters like they are comparable?  One does not negate the other.  GEDDIT?  A spill in BC doesn't make less of a flood in Alberta.



Stop being retarded.
Title: Re: BC Tailings Pond Spills Millions Of Litres Into Lake
Post by: Anonymous on August 08, 2014, 03:58:38 PM
Quote from: "Obvious Li"
Quote from: "Fashionista"I should not say oh wellabout what happened in BC..



It may turn into something very bad, but it has not happened yet and hopefully it does not either..



I just happened to have went through a real disaster last year..



That word is not used lightly after what we experienced in Southern Alberta.




sorry fash....but RW and her friends don't want to hear about your problems.....they only give a shit when there is an opportunity to stick it to big oil, big mining, any big corporation.....if it can't make page one in the Huff post...not interested

That would explain why Romero is using hyperbole to describe the tailings pond breach out West.
Title: Re: BC Tailings Pond Spills Millions Of Litres Into Lake
Post by: Anonymous on August 08, 2014, 06:11:34 PM
Quote from: "Obvious Li"they only give a shit when there is an opportunity to stick it to big oil, big mining, any big corporation.....if it can't make page one in the Huff post...not interested

True enough handsome. Romero doesn't give a flying fuck about people in that area. In fact, he wishes they experienced real suffering. Loss of personal property or even life would be  a useful propaganda tool in his crusade against Canadian industry and private enterprise in general.



Sorry Romero you didn't get the big disaster you were hoping for.
Title: Re: BC Tailings Pond Spills Millions Of Litres Into Lake
Post by: Anonymous on August 08, 2014, 06:35:01 PM
More bad news for Romero. This is from the Globe and Mail,
QuoteThe water quality near the site of the massive tailings-pond breach this week meets drinking-water standards, according to preliminary test results, but the long-term impact on fish habitats and other wildlife remains unknown.



Medical health officers and water specialists collected samples from three sites at Quesnel Lake and looked at pH levels, turbidity, suspended and dissolved solids, E.coli, dissolved metals and more, Ms. McGuire said.



"All results came back meeting the requirements for Canadian and B.C. drinking-water standards," she said to applause from residents. "This is very good news."



Dr. Corneil said the ban will remain in place until Polley Lake – which drains into Quesnel Lake – can be tested as well.


Sorry Romero, you didn't get the big disaster you were hoping for. Look on the bright side, maybe we'll get a January thaw on the prairies this year which you can blame on big oil, coal, mining, auto sector etc.



Here are the worst disasters in Canadian history. All of them with the exception of number 4 are NOT man made.

1. Newfoundland Hurricane of 1775

2. The Tseax Cone Eruption 1770-1775

3. Hurricane Hazel October 15, 1954

4. The Great Miramichi Fire October 1825

5. Nova Scotia Hurricane of 1873

6. Regina Cyclone June 30, 1912

7. 1929 Grand Banks Earthquake

8. Great Lakes Storm of October 1885

9. Great Lakes Storm of Nov.7-9 1913

10. The Frank Slide
Title: Re: BC Tailings Pond Spills Millions Of Litres Into Lake
Post by: RW on August 08, 2014, 07:20:15 PM
So it's not a disaster unless it meets your standards of one?  WTF are you people smoking?  Are you being shits because you are trolling Romero or are you seriously this fucked?
Title: Re: BC Tailings Pond Spills Millions Of Litres Into Lake
Post by: Obvious Li on August 08, 2014, 08:31:36 PM
Quote from: "Real Woman"So it's not a disaster unless it meets your standards of one?  WTF are you people smoking?  Are you being shits because you are trolling Romero or are you seriously this fucked?




sorry cupcake.....no home run this time.....gotta wait for those pipelines to leak.....start getting the righteous indignation pose working.......those fucking oil companies....fucking tar sands....lol
Title: Re: BC Tailings Pond Spills Millions Of Litres Into Lake
Post by: RW on August 08, 2014, 09:44:27 PM
More ridiculousness.
Title: Re: BC Tailings Pond Spills Millions Of Litres Into Lake
Post by: Anonymous on August 08, 2014, 10:24:10 PM
We had a very severe hailstorm in North Calgary and we have damage to our siding..



Last year, we had sewage in our home, no power and an evacuation order..



I have sympathy for BC residents, but they are living through an inconvenience, not the living hell we did last year..
Title: Re: BC Tailings Pond Spills Millions Of Litres Into Lake
Post by: Anonymous on August 09, 2014, 02:15:13 PM
Quote from: "Romero"


There doesn't have to be death for something to be called a disaster.

There doesn't even need to be injury, illness, evacuation, property damage, public infrastructure damage, a big bill for taxpayers or much else. If it's a big resource company involved, it's a disaster that needs to be exploited.



Are you and your occupiers still depressed you didn't get the negative impact you had hoped for? As more test results roll in, I am sure you will be even more disappointed you weren't able to milk this for all the anti-industry propaganda it was potentially worth.
Title: Re: BC Tailings Pond Spills Millions Of Litres Into Lake
Post by: Anonymous on August 09, 2014, 02:22:28 PM
Quote from: "Fashionista"We had a very severe hailstorm in North Calgary and we have damage to our siding..



Last year, we had sewage in our home, no power and an evacuation order..



I have sympathy for BC residents, but they are living through an inconvenience, not the living hell we did last year..

Sorry, about your house Fash. One of the reasons I would never own a home in Cowtown.



I saw footage from Airdrie on Global Edmonton news yesterday. It looked like early February, not early August. Smashed out windows in cars, damaged roofs on houses, over flowing sewers, no power in some areas and yes a ban on water usage in rural areas and no big company to pay for the damage like in BC. Much more of a "disaster" than what happened in BC, but since the culprit was not a resource company it won't appear on the Front page of HuffPo or TYEE.



Anyway, the forest fires in NWT this year and Slave Lake a few years ago were more "disastrous" than the tailings pond" breach in BC. Again, don't expect an ed-op in TYEE to admit that fact though.
Title: Re: BC Tailings Pond Spills Millions Of Litres Into Lake
Post by: Anonymous on August 09, 2014, 02:30:12 PM
Quote from: "Real Woman"So it's not a disaster unless it meets your standards of one?  WTF are you people smoking?  Are you being shits because you are trolling Romero or are you seriously this fucked?

Most people without an agenda don't call it a "disaster" because it isn't one. There wasn't even a power outage that I am aware of. Water is now safe which means people are safe, not much property damage, public infrastructure is in tact, no large loss of wildlife like the Slave Lake fires a few years and people can continue to live in their homes.



Romero has an agenda, you and I both know that. He was ridiculous claims even before tests on water came in. By the way, the water has been lifted in all but one area. Once results are in, that will be lifted too. The truth is, Romero wishes the people that live close to the breach had experienced the effects of a real disaster. That would useful ammo when your enemies are free enterprise and resource companies now wouldn't it?
Title: Re: BC Tailings Pond Spills Millions Of Litres Into Lake
Post by: Anonymous on August 09, 2014, 05:17:07 PM
Quote from: "Real Woman"So it's not a disaster unless it meets your standards of one?  WTF are you people smoking?  Are you being shits because you are trolling Romero or are you seriously this fucked?

I agree with Fash, it may be a disaster in the long term, but it is too early to say with any certainty it is one now. Unlike say an earthquake, there is no measurable human suffering. In my opinion, OL and SL are wrong for saying there is no emergency. There is not one at the beginning, but we don't know what the long term effects will be. Then again, Romero is dead wrong too by claiming this is one of the worst disasters in Canadian history. He has no proof of that. As usual, Fash is the reasonable one.
Title: Re: BC Tailings Pond Spills Millions Of Litres Into Lake
Post by: Romero on August 09, 2014, 05:33:35 PM
Quote from: "seoulbro"Then again, Romero is dead wrong too by claiming this is one of the worst disasters in Canadian history. He has no proof of that.

Ah, I see the confusion.


Quote from: "Romero"I believe this BC spill may be a regional disaster. What happened in Alberta was a huge disaster. A catastrophe.

Quote from: "Obvious Li"sorry fash....but RW and her friends don't want to hear about your problems.....they only give a shit when there is an opportunity to stick it to big oil, big mining, any big corporation.....if it can't make page one in the Huff post...not interested

Quote from: "Romero"There was huge concern with RW, me, BC'ers and all Canadians. We know it's one of Canada's greatest disasters.



I and many others showed our concern and were glued to the news. Everyone who has suffered are our fellow Canadians, neighbours, relatives and friends.



The floods made the front page and top story of The Huffington Post every day.

I was calling the Alberta floods one of Canada's greatest disasters, not the mine spill.
Title: Re: BC Tailings Pond Spills Millions Of Litres Into Lake
Post by: Anonymous on August 10, 2014, 11:48:22 PM
Quote from: "Romero"
Quote from: "seoulbro"Then again, Romero is dead wrong too by claiming this is one of the worst disasters in Canadian history. He has no proof of that.

Ah, I see the confusion.


Quote from: "Romero"I believe this BC spill may be a regional disaster. What happened in Alberta was a huge disaster. A catastrophe.

Quote from: "Obvious Li"sorry fash....but RW and her friends don't want to hear about your problems.....they only give a shit when there is an opportunity to stick it to big oil, big mining, any big corporation.....if it can't make page one in the Huff post...not interested

Quote from: "Romero"There was huge concern with RW, me, BC'ers and all Canadians. We know it's one of Canada's greatest disasters.



I and many others showed our concern and were glued to the news. Everyone who has suffered are our fellow Canadians, neighbours, relatives and friends.



The floods made the front page and top story of The Huffington Post every day.

I was calling the Alberta floods one of Canada's greatest disasters, not the mine spill.

The pain of floods is still being felt by some people..



We came out of it relatively easy compared to some unfortunate souls.