I have heard about this pair of christian missionaries who opened a cafe shop in China are stealing secrets ! I waonder what secrets they stole ! Steven Harper must be so embarassed that the world found out about this Canadian conspiracy to rob China of Chinas secrets !
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It was a tit-for-tat thing. Ottawa announces that Beijing is stealing technology and then shortly after they pick on a Christian missionary couple. The good news is that they will not be incarcerated very long.
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Who is Paul Harper? Is he any relation to the guy who lives at 24 Sussex Drive?
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When did this happen Gary Oak?
I had not heard about it..
Technically, missionary work is illegal in China.
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Kevin and Julia Garratt's work in the secretive country, which included a week-long trip at the invitation of several government-controlled agencies in June, was always humanitarian in nature, their family says. But it looms in the background of what observers say are "unprecedented" allegations against Canadian citizens, whose case threatens to again chill relations with China that had in recent years showed signs of new warmth.
For years, funded by six-figure annual donations from churchgoers in Canada, they worked to send in kimchi, soy milk and North Koreans who had received religious training.
On Monday evening, the couple were detained by Chinese authorities and placed under investigation. In a statement Tuesday, China's foreign ministry said they "are suspected of collecting and stealing intelligence materials related to Chinese military targets and important Chinese national defence scientific research programs, and engaging in activities that endanger China's national security."
In Canada, the government was virtually silent, telling reporters it is watching, but saying little more – for now cautiously trying to avoid escalating the case into a public dispute with Beijing.
//http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/family-scared-surprised-as-china-accuses-canadians-of-espionage/article19911433/
Sounds like bogus accusations to me.
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Obviously, their targets were North Koreans and Korean-Chinese.
I don't get what they mean by "sending in N Koreans who had received religious training"??
That does sound stranger at a second glance.
"We brought you kimchi and soy milk. Oh, and some religiously trained North Koreans. Enjoy!"
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But in China, their work was different. According to a sermon Kevin delivered to a Surrey, B.C., church in November and heard by Agence France-Presse, North Koreans often come to a "training house" in Dandong, he said, and "99 per cent of the people we meet go back to North Korea, because they have to preach the gospel in North Korea, because God has compelled them to go."
The Garratts also used their presence in Dandong to reach the local population. They held a weekly Sunday church service at their home, and kept a Bible on a rack of novels and other literature inside their coffee shop. Those books were missing on Tuesday, presumed to be confiscated by the authorities.
We would think that China would charge them with proselytizing, whether they actually were or not. I can't imagine them stealing military secrets.
Maybe they are super spies! Hacking into computer mainframes, going undercover and gaining access to military bases...
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"We brought you kimchi and soy milk. Oh, and some religiously trained North Koreans. Enjoy!"
Here's the explanation:
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But in China, their work was different. According to a sermon Kevin delivered to a Surrey, B.C., church in November and heard by Agence France-Presse, North Koreans often come to a "training house" in Dandong, he said, and "99 per cent of the people we meet go back to North Korea, because they have to preach the gospel in North Korea, because God has compelled them to go."
The Garratts also used their presence in Dandong to reach the local population. They held a weekly Sunday church service at their home, and kept a Bible on a rack of novels and other literature inside their coffee shop. Those books were missing on Tuesday, presumed to be confiscated by the authorities.
We would think that China would charge them with proselytizing, whether they actually were or not. I can't imagine them stealing military secrets.
Maybe they are super spies! Hacking into computer mainframes, going undercover and gaining access to military bases...
China has turned a blind eye over the years to Christian missionaries as long as they avoided politics. I think this is a tit-for-tat thing. We'll see what happens, but I can't see them spending years in jail.
Yeah, I think it's a tit-for-tat thing. Such an unlikely couple to charge with espionage still.
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"We brought you kimchi and soy milk. Oh, and some religiously trained North Koreans. Enjoy!"
Here's the explanation:
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But in China, their work was different. According to a sermon Kevin delivered to a Surrey, B.C., church in November and heard by Agence France-Presse, North Koreans often come to a "training house" in Dandong, he said, and "99 per cent of the people we meet go back to North Korea, because they have to preach the gospel in North Korea, because God has compelled them to go."
The Garratts also used their presence in Dandong to reach the local population. They held a weekly Sunday church service at their home, and kept a Bible on a rack of novels and other literature inside their coffee shop. Those books were missing on Tuesday, presumed to be confiscated by the authorities.
We would think that China would charge them with proselytizing, whether they actually were or not. I can't imagine them stealing military secrets.
Maybe they are super spies! Hacking into computer mainframes, going undercover and gaining access to military bases...
China has turned a blind eye over the years to Christian missionaries as long as they avoided politics. I think this is a tit-for-tat thing. We'll see what happens, but I can't see them spending years in jail.
Taiwan has complete religious freedom..
What is China so scared of?
This is such a stupid and obvious move. Bleeding heart liberal clulless wonders like the phonies here and on mmb however don't believe that they could be so obvious.
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What is China so scared of?
Can't have people thinking for themselves! They just might start thinking for themselves!
Next you know they'll want to vote democratically and those commie fat cats will have to earn their jobs.
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I haven't seen anyone consider it a smart move. I'm pretty sure everyone's against it.
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What is China so scared of?
Can't have people thinking for themselves! They just might start thinking for themselves!
Next you know they'll want to vote democratically and those commie fat cats will have to earn their jobs.
Even when Korea had authoritarian governments, people were free to worship as they pleased.
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What is China so scared of?
Can't have people thinking for themselves! They just might start thinking for themselves!
Next you know they'll want to vote democratically and those commie fat cats will have to earn their jobs.
Chairman Deng praised Falun Gong while Jiang called them an evil cult. What changed between Deng and his successor? Numbers When they had more members than the CCP, that looked like a rival to their monopoly on power. Typical historical Chinese thinking.
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What is China so scared of?
Can't have people thinking for themselves! They just might start thinking for themselves!
Next you know they'll want to vote democratically and those commie fat cats will have to earn their jobs.
Even when Korea had authoritarian governments, people were free to worship as they pleased.
For your information about your own country , North Korea only allows the Juche religion. Do you even know what the Juche religion is ? North Korea is about as authoritiarian as they come. Are you so stupid that you don't even know your own countries history ?
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Can't have people thinking for themselves! They just might start thinking for themselves!
Next you know they'll want to vote democratically and those commie fat cats will have to earn their jobs.
Even when Korea had authoritarian governments, people were free to worship as they pleased.
For your information about your own country , North Korea only allows the Juche religion. Do you even know what the Juche religion is ? North Korea is about as authoritiarian as they come. Are you so stupid that you don't even know your own countries history ?
I think he was talking about the history of South Korea. Have you been to South Korea? I lived there and was married to a Korean. South Korea used governed by the military a few decades ago.
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Can't have people thinking for themselves! They just might start thinking for themselves!
Next you know they'll want to vote democratically and those commie fat cats will have to earn their jobs.
Even when Korea had authoritarian governments, people were free to worship as they pleased.
For your information about your own country , North Korea only allows the Juche religion. Do you even know what the Juche religion is ? North Korea is about as authoritiarian as they come. Are you so stupid that you don't even know your own countries history ?
I don't think seoulbro meant North Korea Gary.