It's a US list, but the same would apply here.
Methodology
To calculate ROI for a specific degree, we first determined the overall cost of the degree. We allowed the degree holder four years to graduate. Using data from a recent College Board study, we assigned a figure of $37,343 as an average cost of a four-year public liberal arts degree, and a figure of $121,930 for degrees earned at four-year private colleges. The total cost included tuition, room and board, and books, and did not factor in scholarships or grants. We then determined the median cash compensation over the course of 30 years of typical jobs requiring that degree using Salary.com data. We used current Salary.com figures, but added 4.3% per year to account for inflation and cost of living increases. To determine ROI, we subtracted the cost of the degree from the gains over 30 years, then divided that figure by cost.
1. Communications
You'd think the ink-stained newsrooms and TV studios are full of wealthy and famous journalists. Not quite. Although these skills require lots of education and training, they buried the lead regarding the lack of payoff. Check these communications jobs out:
COPYWRITER
Median Salary: $52,549
30-Year Earnings: $3,099,338
ROI of Degree Earner Attending Public College: 82%
ROI of Degree Earner Attending Private College: 24%
NEWS REPORTER
Median Salary: $37,393
30-Year Earnings: $2,205,438
ROI of Degree Earner Attending Public College: 58%
ROI of Degree Earner Attending Private College: 17%
MARKETING COORDINATOR
Median Salary: $50,455
30-Year Earnings: $2,975,834
ROI of Degree Earner Attending Public College: 79%
ROI of Degree Earner Attending Private College: 23%
2. Psychology
We're starting to notice an unfortunate trend regarding doing work for others with minimal pay. Maybe you can get inside the head of someone influential and find out why workers in this field don't get paid more for these jobs:
HUMAN SERVICES WORKER
Median Salary: $22,738
30-Year Earnings: $1,341,086
ROI of Degree Earner Attending Public College: 35%
ROI of Degree Earner Attending Private College: 10%
CAREER COUNSELOR - HIGHER EDUCATION
Median Salary: $43,384
30-Year Earnings: $2,558,787
ROI of Degree Earner Attending Public College: 68%
ROI of Degree Earner Attending Private College: 20%
BEREAVEMENT COORDINATOR
Median Salary: $52,200
30-Year Earnings: $3,078,754
ROI of Degree Earner Attending Public College: 81%
ROI of Degree Earner Attending Private College: 24% ac_unsure
3. Nutrition
It's hard work making sure everyone else eats right, preparing nutritious meals and/or checking to make sure the nation's food supply is up to snuff. But all that hard work and education necessary to land this job might not turn a huge profit.
DIETICIAN
Median Salary: $53,679
30-Year Earnings: $3,165,985
ROI of Degree Earner Attending Public College: 84%
ROI of Degree Earner Attending Private College: 25%
FOOD SERVICES MANAGER
Median Salary: $56,711
30-Year Earnings: $3,344,813
ROI of Degree Earner Attending Public College: 89%
ROI of Degree Earner Attending Private College: 27%
FOOD SCIENTIST
Median Salary: $64,019
30-Year Earnings: $3,775,838
ROI of Degree Earner Attending Public College: 100%
ROI of Degree Earner Attending Private College: 30%
4. Hospitality/Tourism
You're the wizard behind the curtain. The one who's working like a dog to make it all happen while everyone else is enjoying the fruits of your labor. Unfortunately, there isn't always a lot of financial benefit after earning your degree. Here are three commonly held hospitality jobs:
MEETING/EVENT PLANNER
Median Salary: $55,476
30-Year Earnings: $3,271,972
ROI of Degree Earner Attending Public College: 87%
ROI of Degree Earner Attending Private College: 26%
HOTEL RESIDENT MANAGER
Median Salary: $65,076
30-Year Earnings: $3,838,180
ROI of Degree Earner Attending Public College: 102%
ROI of Degree Earner Attending Private College: 30%
CATERING MANAGER
Median Salary: $42,533
30-Year Earnings: $2,508,595
ROI of Degree Earner Attending Public College: 66%
ROI of Degree Earner Attending Private College: 20%
5. Religious Studies/Theology
Talk about finding your calling. While devoting your life to the church and dedicating your life to the service of others is laudable, it's not going to leave you with a lot of profit after you earn your degree. Here are three commonly held jobs theological jobs:
RELIGIOUS EDUCATOR
Median Salary: $47,957
30-Year Earnings: $2,828,502
ROI of Degree Earner Attending Public College: 75%
ROI of Degree Earner Attending Private College: 22%
CHAPLAIN -- HEALTHCARE
Median Salary: $51,127
30-Year Earnings: $3,015,174
ROI of Degree Earner Attending Public College: 80%
ROI of Degree Earner Attending Private College: 24%
ASSOCIATE PASTOR
Median Salary: $61,811
30-Year Earnings: $3,645,610
ROI of Degree Earner Attending Public College: 96%
ROI of Degree Earner Attending Private College: 29%
6. Education
Ah teaching. One of the noblest professions. And while it stands to reason we'd pay great sums to the chosen few who shape the minds of future generations, it doesn't quite work out that way. Here are three commonly held jobs in education:
DAYCARE CENTER TEACHER
Median Salary: $27,910
30-Year Earnings: $1,646,131
ROI of Degree Earner Attending Public College: 43%
ROI of Degree Earner Attending Private College: 13%
ELEMENTARY SCHOOL TEACHER
Median Salary: $52,241
30-Year Earnings: $3,081,172
ROI of Degree Earner Attending Public College: 82%
ROI of Degree Earner Attending Private College: 24%
HIGH SCHOOL TEACHER
Median Salary: $54,473
30-Year Earnings: $3,212,815
ROI of Degree Earner Attending Public College: 85%
ROI of Degree Earner Attending Private College: 25%
7. Fine Arts
Artists are respected, revered and celebrated. The trick is achieving that status while they're still alive. After all, the term "starving artist" didn't come from nowhere. Here are three jobs commonly held by workers with a fine arts degree:
MUSEUM RESEARCH WORKER
Median Salary: $48,401
30-Year Earnings: $2,854,689
ROI of Degree Earner Attending Public College: 75%
ROI of Degree Earner Attending Private College: 22%
GRAPHIC DESIGNER
Median Salary: $47,753
30-Year Earnings: $2,816,470
ROI of Degree Earner Attending Public College: 74%
ROI of Degree Earner Attending Private College: 22%
PAINTER/ILLUSTRATOR
Median Salary: $37,819
30-Year Earnings: $2,230,563
ROI of Degree Earner Attending Public College: 58%
ROI of Degree Earner Attending Private College: 17%
8. Sociology
People who enter the field of sociology generally are interested in helping their fellow man. Unfortunately, that kind of benevolence doesn't usually translate to wealth. Here are three jobs commonly held by sociology majors (click on job title and/or salary for more info):
SOCIAL WORKER
Median Salary: $47,121
30-Year Earnings: $2,779,195
ROI of Degree Earner Attending Public College: 73%
ROI of Degree Earner Attending Private College: 21%
CORRECTIONS OFFICER
Median Salary: $39,630
30-Year Earnings: $2,337,376
ROI of Degree Earner Attending Public College: 61%
ROI of Degree Earner Attending Private College: 18%
CHEMICAL DEPENDENCY COUNSELOR
Median Salary: $47,210
30-Year Earnings: $2,784,444
ROI of Degree Earner Attending Public College: 73%
ROI of Degree Earner Attending Private College: 21%
If anyone encourages their kids to pursue fine arts, music or psychology they are neglecting their responsibility to their kids and society. They'll also need a better job as their kids will be living at home 4ever.
Don't follow your dreams, kids! It's only about the money!
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It will be all about the money(other people's) when dreamers know they don't live in a fantasy world.
My Arts degree looks purdy on ma wall.
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That's fine RW and if you are satisfied with it, I am happy for you. However, a real profession requires a real degree. Arts degrees are fine as a hobby though.
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That's fine RW and if you are satisfied with it, I am happy for you. However, a real profession requires a real degree. Arts degrees are fine as a hobby though.
what she ^^^^ said.....i suggest they make those degrees from softer paper.....so at least you could wipe your ass with them in a pinch.....
Considering you need a bachelor's to do pretty much anything these days, it isn't completely worthless.
We need a serious re-vamping of the post sec education system.
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We need a serious re-vamping of the post sec education system.
My company is always hiring. They require specific post-secondary education with accompanying professional designation. Not one of them is an arts degree though. As I said, it's alright to study arts degree courses as a hobby, but it does not lead to a profession and therefore a waste of time and money.
I'm not knocking your choices, trust me. If you are happy with your choices then I am happy for you. However, I sure am glad South Korea, Taiwan, Thailand, China and Japan want to learn English. They give Canadian English, philosophy and history majors a chance to earn a living and move out of their parents house. Something they could never do otherwise.
I haven't lived at home since I was 19 so I guess my degree was good for something. I bought it myself to boot.
I'm not happy or unhappy with my degree. I didn't put much effort into it and I remember little I've learned from it. I figured it would tide me over until I figured out what I wanted to be when I grew up.
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I'm not happy or unhappy with my degree. I didn't put much effort into it and I remember little I've learned from it. I figured it would tide me over until I figured out what I wanted to be when I grew up.
I have little doubt you would have made it in life with or without an arts degree. More often than not it's the person behind that piece of paper. However, a professional designation opens some really interesting/lucrative doors.
Oh there's lots of time for that yet.
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true dat...we have had three and four year degree programs since the 1700,s...not sure why when you can be taught everything you need to know about a particular vocation in a matter of several months...the rest is just wasted time and money.....should bring back two year conscription and teach these eager minds the basic shit their parents never did...in any case going to uni for four years to drink and fuck is fun but an unnecessary waste
Some you can teach in little time, some you can't but a focus on relevant education coupled with work experience is a better model IMHO.
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true dat...we have had three and four year degree programs since the 1700,s...not sure why when you can be taught everything you need to know about a particular vocation in a matter of several months...the rest is just wasted time and money.....
You talk about wasting taxpayers money? That's a great way right through the military. I have been to Israel handsome and the IDF overcharge Israelis for just about everything. Most Israelis would like to shrink the size and cost of their bloated armed forces.
As for the 4 year thing, well I don't regret it. Mine was more than 4 years actually with my work practicum. If one drank and partied too much they did not last long. You can prolly get away with that self-indulgent nonsense in some useless BA program, but engineering students do not have that luxury. Anyway, if some useless arts major drops out who fucking cares?
Chugaboo studies nuff said.
The Asian English teaching ghetto is the dumping ground for arts degree holders. I am out of it now, but I am speaking from personal experience.
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I knew it, an esl loser who would be on welfare if he was in Canada. ac_toofunny ac_razz ac_dance
Shut up Gary.
My husband and I believe it is our duty to prepare our children for the world of work..
Arts degrees are fine and some people like ghost and Real Woman have done very well with them..
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But they are too general and don't provide the career specialization that they will need for tomorrow..
What I found surprising is that some of the careers like elementary school teachers, dieticians and corrections officers were not considered good careers.
I wanted to study media production at Ryerson, but my parents killed that idea off very quickly.
The exposure in the course selection within an Arts degree was valuable. There's really no such thing as a waste of education.
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Real Woman, I am terribly sorry if you felt I was implying an Arts degree was a waste of time..
I did not mean to be insulting.
You weren't being insulting at all Fash. Don't sweat it :)
the real problem with these useless degrees is that the taxpayer is paying 75% of the cost...if someone wants to pay for a native studies degree out of their own pocket i say go for it...but why in fuck should i have to put up 3/4's of the dough.....stupid socialist thinking
You will get no argument from me regarding the need to rethink post secondary education to be more relevant.
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Native studies would be ok if someone already had a first degree or they were working and studying it part time.
Personally I don't think any degree is a waste.
Like Fash said, I've done exceptionally well with my psychology and creative writing degrees. In fact, most of the people I studied with have done really well in terms of money. Several went on to become profs, others successful authors.
A good friend of mine makes 70k a year with her psychology degree.
Yet a friend of mine who has a business degree, still earns 22.00 an hour.
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Native studies would be ok if someone already had a first degree or they were working and studying it part time.
A friend of mine has a native studies degree along with her education degree. She teaches in a small town in Saskatchewan and earns quite a bit of money.
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Native studies would be ok if someone already had a first degree or they were working and studying it part time.
A friend of mine has a native studies degree along with her education degree. She teaches in a small town in Saskatchewan and earns quite a bit of money.
Hey, ghost! ac_hithere
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Hey, ghost! ac_hithere
Yo, Ro.
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Native studies would be ok if someone already had a first degree or they were working and studying it part time.
A friend of mine has a native studies degree along with her education degree. She teaches in a small town in Saskatchewan and earns quite a bit of money.
Hey, ghost! ac_hithere
Hi ghost...good to see you around.....i am glad for her....and in fact employment runs at around 93% so most people eventually do get jobs...if the taxpayers weren't being asked to pay for it i could not care a whit what type or kind of degree anyone obtained....and i certainly do agree that most degrees are better than no degrees......my position remains this...certain degrees should receive preferential treatment for govt. subsidization if we are determined to subsidize education....other special interest type degrees that are "hobby" degrees should be user pay......cheers
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I'm a little curious about this. Where are you getting the idea that 75% is being paid by taxpayers? And what exactly are they paying for?
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Like Fash said, I've done exceptionally well with my psychology and creative writing degrees. In fact, most of the people I studied with have done really well in terms of money. Several went on to become profs, others successful authors.
A good friend of mine makes 70k a year with her psychology degree.
Yet a friend of mine who has a business degree, still earns 22.00 an hour.
It doesn't surprise me that your peers have done well with creative writing degrees. Writing, like music or art are natural gifts. H.G Wells, Jack Kerouac, Truman Capote and Charles Dickens did not have any degree, but they have had successful writing careers. I have played piano most of my life, but I know if I had pursued a degree in that field the best I could hope for is to teach. The reality is that I do not possess the gift of music.
Like OL said, I believe any education is better than none at all. He nailed it when he said certain degrees should receive preferential treatment for govt. subsidization if we are determined to subsidize education and other special interest type degrees that are "hobby" degrees should be user pay.
They actually do Shen. If you look at retraining programs, the government takes the unemployed and pays for retraining in a field in demand.
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Yep, EI does that too. They will pay for someone to get a class 1A license for example. However, they don't want to see you on EI again. Perhaps we'll see OL and Mel Gibson as a driving team. ac_tongue ac_dance
Yep - the EI program.
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I would really like to see that program turn into a REAL insurance program. I luvs ya OL, but there is no way in hell you and I should be paying similar premiums. ac_razz
I love selectively socialist rightie leeches.
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Some of the small businesses that use(abuse) the Temporary Foreign Worker program are selectively socialist rightie leeches. Now that the feds are closing the door on those abuses their allegiances could quickly shift. If future PM baby Trudeau opens the floodgates once again, they will happily become solid Grit supporters. I'm sure you know what a sleazy business politics is anyway.
All too well.
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I would really like to see that program turn into a REAL insurance program. I luvs ya OL, but there is no way in hell you and I should be paying similar premiums. ac_razz
thats because you are blinded by the light...i pay less premiums than you do as it should be...the only reason a have to avail myself of the program is because the greedy capitalist company i work for surpluses me every year...i am blameless
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Native studies would be ok if someone already had a first degree or they were working and studying it part time.
A friend of mine has a native studies degree along with her education degree. She teaches in a small town in Saskatchewan and earns quite a bit of money.
I could be wrong, but I am unaware of any application of a native studies degree in the private realm.
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Native studies would be ok if someone already had a first degree or they were working and studying it part time.
A friend of mine has a native studies degree along with her education degree. She teaches in a small town in Saskatchewan and earns quite a bit of money.
I could be wrong, but I am unaware of any application of a native studies degree in the private realm.
The University of Saskatchewan offers one. I'm sure there are others, but that's the one my friend did.
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It doesn't surprise me that your peers have done well with creative writing degrees. Writing, like music or art are natural gifts. H.G Wells, Jack Kerouac, Truman Capote and Charles Dickens did not have any degree, but they have had successful writing careers. I have played piano most of my life, but I know if I had pursued a degree in that field the best I could hope for is to teach. The reality is that I do not possess the gift of music.
Like OL said, I believe any education is better than none at all. He nailed it when he said certain degrees should receive preferential treatment for govt. subsidization if we are determined to subsidize education and other special interest type degrees that are "hobby" degrees should be user pay.
Writing is not a natural gift. Imagination is. You're picking authors from decades ago, back when university degrees weren't the norm. Of course, back then, high school alone, was far more grueling. The majority of today's successful authors all have degrees in one way or another.
And yes, a Master's or Phd in Creative Writing is usually taken so one can teach. But don't knock the teaching job. It's good money and it helps subsidize the author's income. Very few authors earn enough money to live off of.
That ghost is so full of shit. Creative writing means working in a bar or following the rest of the welfare losers to Asia to teach English. Chugaboo studies is laughable. If we weren't forced to give so much money to them that degree would disappear. Go to a real employer and tell them you have a chugaboo studies degree and you won't get an interview.
Her are the real degrees and none of the are ba's.
So, based on figures from Statistics Canada, Robert Half, industry association websites as well as Workopolis' own data, here are ten career choices that pay much higher starting salaries than those averages:
1.Dentist: +- $90,000
2.Petroleum Engineer: +- $86,220
3.Data security analyst: +- $83,250
4.Web site developer and user experience designer: +- $80,000
5.Mobile applications developers: +- $72,500
6.Financial Controller: +- $70,000
7.Lawyer: +- $60,000
8.Accountant: +- $58,750
9.Nurse: +- $55,000
10.Business Administration/Management +- $45,00
Here are the waste of time degrees and they are all ba's. ac_toofunny ac_beating ac_razz
And if you are just beginning your studies now and you would like to pick your degree based on the probability of landing a job at the end of it, there are some programs to avoid. Based on US statistics that I think will generally apply here as well (I'm still looking for the equivalent Canadian data), here are ten fields that hiring managers just aren't looking for on resumes right now.
1.Architecture
2.Latin
3.Music therapy
4.Theology
5.English Literature
6.Social Sciences
7.American Studies / Canadian Studies (I mentioned that this list was based on US data. However, we can assume that Canadian Studies would be equally frowned upon, because the rationale is that as the workplace becomes more diverse, employers are looking for people educated with a broader cultural perspective than just studying their local national culture.)
8.Puppetry (Apparently this is an actual degree that some people choose to study. I think it could be an equivalent stand in for most theatre and performing arts degrees.)
9.Poetry
10.Art History
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A friend of mine has a native studies degree along with her education degree. She teaches in a small town in Saskatchewan and earns quite a bit of money.
I could be wrong, but I am unaware of any application of a native studies degree in the private realm.
The University of Saskatchewan offers one. I'm sure there are others, but that's the one my friend did.
If a person took that specialized degree I would assume they already have an idea what they want to do with it..
I still would prefer my children pursue degrees that will lead to a job rather than just an education..
My daughter has expressed interest in being a teacher, but I was surprised to read that elementary school teachers made the list in the op..
I read there was a shortage of teachers in Alberta, especially in rural areas..
She'll will probably change her mind many times before completing high school anyway.
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If a person took that specialized degree I would assume they already have an idea what they want to do with it..
I still would prefer my children pursue degrees that will lead to a job rather than just an education..
My daughter has expressed interest in being a teacher, but I was surprised to read that elementary school teachers made the list in the op..
I read there was a shortage of teachers in Alberta, especially in rural areas..
She'll will probably change her mind many times before completing high school anyway.
I would want my children to have a career doing something that they love doing, opposed to doing something that brings in a high income. It's important to be able to support yourself and your family, but it's another thing to hate everything you do.
Very few people truly love their jobs.
And our resident troll and laugh about teaching English overseas, but it's a fantastic way to earn money when you're fresh out of school. It's also a wonderful experience to live in another culture and see what the rest of the world is like.
Just because the self-published piece of crap Gary wrote did poorly, doesn't mean that real writers don't earn an income.
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If a person took that specialized degree I would assume they already have an idea what they want to do with it..
I still would prefer my children pursue degrees that will lead to a job rather than just an education..
My daughter has expressed interest in being a teacher, but I was surprised to read that elementary school teachers made the list in the op..
I read there was a shortage of teachers in Alberta, especially in rural areas..
She'll will probably change her mind many times before completing high school anyway.
I would want my children to have a career doing something that they love doing, opposed to doing something that brings in a high income. It's important to be able to support yourself and your family, but it's another thing to hate everything you do.
And our resident troll and laugh about teaching English overseas, but it's a fantastic way to earn money when you're fresh out of school. It's also a wonderful experience to live in another culture and see what the rest of the world is like.
Just because the self-published piece of crap Gary wrote did poorly, doesn't mean that real writers don't earn an income.
Yep, true enough. I really love my career and I am proud of what we have accomplished. The technology is constantly changing and it keeps me interested.
However, there are days when I have conflicts with colleagues, I am waiting on materials for different projects, I get anxious about being over-budget and not on schedule. Then again, when things go too smoothly I get bored, so I don't know.
I agree with you about ESL teachers and it being a good way to pay off student loans and such. I had NO problem with the female English teachers I met in Asia. It was the male English teachers that rubbed me the wrong way. They often leave a bad impression on the people in Asia too. I've talked privately with asal on VF about this and we seem to be on the same page about this.
As for Oak, he got his (candy)ass kicked by a Chinese boxer and he's still sulking about many years later....fucking crybaby!! acc_angry
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Yep, true enough. I really love my career and I am proud of what we have accomplished. The technology is constantly changing and it keeps me interested.
However, there are days when I have conflicts with colleagues, I am waiting on materials for different projects, I get anxious about being over-budget and not on schedule. Then again, when things go too smoothly I get bored, so I don't know.
I agree with you about ESL teachers and it being a good way to pay off student loans and such. I had NO problem with the female English teachers I met in Asia. It was the male English teachers that rubbed me the wrong way. They often leave a bad impression on the people in Asia too. I've talked privately with asal on VF about this and we seem to be on the same page about this.
As for Oak, he got his (candy)ass kicked by a Chinese boxer and he's still sulking about it many years later....fucking crybaby!! acc_angry
I have to agree with some of the male teachers. I met a lot who were just over there, desperate to find an Asian girlfriend. Some of them came off as really creepy. If you ever want a good laugh, check out the personals on the Asia Craigslist. It's just reeking of desperation.
But there still are a few good ones.
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Yep, true enough. I really love my career and I am proud of what we have accomplished. The technology is constantly changing and it keeps me interested.
However, there are days when I have conflicts with colleagues, I am waiting on materials for different projects, I get anxious about being over-budget and not on schedule. Then again, when things go too smoothly I get bored, so I don't know.
I agree with you about ESL teachers and it being a good way to pay off student loans and such. I had NO problem with the female English teachers I met in Asia. I've talked. It was male English teachers that rubbed me the wrong way. They often leave a bad impression on the people in Asia too. I've talked privately with asal on VF about this and we seem to be on the same page about this.
As for Oak, he got his (candy)ass kicked by a Chinese boxer and he's still sulking about many years later....fucking crybaby!! acc_angry
I have to agree with some of the male teachers. I met a lot who were just over there, desperate to find an Asian girlfriend. Some of them came off as really creepy. If you ever want a good laugh,
But there still are a few good ones.
I will take your word for it. I am so jaded now about male foreign English teachers that I give them a wide berth when I'm back in Asia. Like you said, there are some good ones, but I've met so many "creepy" ones that I am reluctant to even talk to them.
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If a person took that specialized degree I would assume they already have an idea what they want to do with it..
I still would prefer my children pursue degrees that will lead to a job rather than just an education..
My daughter has expressed interest in being a teacher, but I was surprised to read that elementary school teachers made the list in the op..
I read there was a shortage of teachers in Alberta, especially in rural areas..
She'll will probably change her mind many times before completing high school anyway.
I would want my children to have a career doing something that they love doing, opposed to doing something that brings in a high income. It's important to be able to support yourself and your family, but it's another thing to hate everything you do.
Very few people truly love their jobs.
And our resident troll and laugh about teaching English overseas, but it's a fantastic way to earn money when you're fresh out of school. It's also a wonderful experience to live in another culture and see what the rest of the world is like.
Just because the self-published piece of crap Gary wrote did poorly, doesn't mean that real writers don't earn an income.
I cannot disagree with what you said ghost, because all of it is true..
But as a mother, it is important that my children have a career to fall back on if their dreams fail..
We are only working people, so we don't have unlimited funds..
We are going to pay for our children's education, but it must be job oriented..
That may sound like we are dream killers, but we feel it is our duty to prepare them for the real world.
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Yep, true enough. I really love my career and I am proud of what we have accomplished. The technology is constantly changing and it keeps me interested.
However, there are days when I have conflicts with colleagues, I am waiting on materials for different projects, I get anxious about being over-budget and not on schedule. Then again, when things go too smoothly I get bored, so I don't know.
I agree with you about ESL teachers and it being a good way to pay off student loans and such. I had NO problem with the female English teachers I met in Asia. I've talked. It was male English teachers that rubbed me the wrong way. They often leave a bad impression on the people in Asia too. I've talked privately with asal on VF about this and we seem to be on the same page about this.
As for Oak, he got his (candy)ass kicked by a Chinese boxer and he's still sulking about many years later....fucking crybaby!! acc_angry
I have to agree with some of the male teachers. I met a lot who were just over there, desperate to find an Asian girlfriend. Some of them came off as really creepy. If you ever want a good laugh,
But there still are a few good ones.
I will take your word for it. I am so jaded now about male foreign English teachers that I give them a wide berth when I'm back in Asia. Like you said, there are some good ones, but I've met so many "creepy" ones that I am reluctant to even talk to them.
What is wrong with a guy liking Oriental chicks? What is wrong with a guy taking a job in Asia just to bang Oriental chicks? Let's face it, white gals are boring not to mention most are ugly headcases anyway.
^I think you are probably what ghost and I were talking about. acc_angry
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I have to agree with some of the male teachers. I met a lot who were just over there, desperate to find an Asian girlfriend. Some of them came off as really creepy. If you ever want a good laugh,
But there still are a few good ones.
I will take your word for it. I am so jaded now about male foreign English teachers that I give them a wide berth when I'm back in Asia. Like you said, there are some good ones, but I've met so many "creepy" ones that I am reluctant to even talk to them.
What is wrong with a guy liking Oriental chicks? What is wrong with a guy taking a job in Asia just to bang Oriental chicks? Let's face it, white gals are boring not to mention most are ugly headcases anyway.
Oriental is a rug not a people.