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The mother and father of a Michigan teen who shot and killed four classmates were each sentenced to between 10 and 15 years in prison on Tuesday after a jury convicted them of manslaughter in a rare case of parents being held responsible in a school shooting.

Jennifer and James Crumbley, Ethan Crumbley's parents, were sentenced immediately after several parents of the victims gave emotional statements in an Oakland County courtroom in Pontiac, Michigan.

"Not only did your son kill my daughter, but you both did as well," Nicole Beausoleil, 17-year-old Madisyn Baldwin's mother, told the court as she wept. James Crumbley sat impassively while his wife, Jennifer, hung her head.

Their son was 15 at the time of the shooting at Oxford High School in 2021, in which four students were killed and six other students and a teacher were wounded. Ethan pleaded guilty the following year to four counts of first-degree murder and other charges, and was sentenced to life in prison without parole in December.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/parents-michigan-school-shooter-be-sentenced-rare-us-case-2024-04-09/

Quote from: Oliver the Second on April 09, 2024, 08:42:06 PM(https://i.imgur.com/7wEdTYn.png)

The mother and father of a Michigan teen who shot and killed four classmates were each sentenced to between 10 and 15 years in prison on Tuesday after a jury convicted them of manslaughter in a rare case of parents being held responsible in a school shooting.

Jennifer and James Crumbley, Ethan Crumbley's parents, were sentenced immediately after several parents of the victims gave emotional statements in an Oakland County courtroom in Pontiac, Michigan.

"Not only did your son kill my daughter, but you both did as well," Nicole Beausoleil, 17-year-old Madisyn Baldwin's mother, told the court as she wept. James Crumbley sat impassively while his wife, Jennifer, hung her head.

Their son was 15 at the time of the shooting at Oxford High School in 2021, in which four students were killed and six other students and a teacher were wounded. Ethan pleaded guilty the following year to four counts of first-degree murder and other charges, and was sentenced to life in prison without parole in December.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/parents-michigan-school-shooter-be-sentenced-rare-us-case-2024-04-09/

Their lawyer has probably already filed an appeal.

They should because they are different people and simply owning a gun in a house which someone else steals is hardly a crime.

The appeal will go no where

they are making an example out of these people to show American's that they dare not own guns.


I really didn't follow this case tho... where they really criminally negligent  in their storage of firearms to justify this action against them?

Quote from: Biggie Smiles on April 10, 2024, 05:02:13 PMThe appeal will go no where

they are making an example out of these people to show American's that they dare not own guns.


I really didn't follow this case tho... where they really criminally negligent  in their storage of firearms to justify this action against them?

 They were absolutely negligent. They bought that gun for him and he was able to just have it.

 He posed with it on his Instagram.

 He had a countdown to the shooting. The kid was very disturbed....parents did nothing.

 I definately agree with charging and convicting them.

 Read the case....you'd agree as well.

Quote from: Dove on April 10, 2024, 05:17:24 PMThey were absolutely negligent. They bought that gun for him and he was able to just have it.

 He posed with it on his Instagram.

 He had a countdown to the shooting. The kid was very disturbed....parents did nothing.

 I definately agree with charging and convicting them.

 Read the case....you'd agree as well.

based on what you said, and if it is entirely accurate (which I have no reason to doubt you) then yeah, they are where they should be

just like Derrick Chauvin is where he should be.

Quote from: Oerdin on April 10, 2024, 04:42:54 PMThey should because they are different people and simply owning a gun in a house which someone else steals is hardly a crime.

No they purchased the gun for him and just let him have unfettered access....knowing the kid had untreated behavioral issues.

They deserve this.

Quote from: Biggie Smiles on April 10, 2024, 05:18:51 PMbased on what you said, and if it is entirely accurate (which I have no reason to doubt you) then yeah, they are where they should be

just like Derrick Chauvin is where he should be.

 I disagree about Chauvin though lol

 Did something new come out? The last I knew about that it was established Floyd died from drugs.

Quote from: Dove on April 10, 2024, 05:20:19 PMI disagree about Chauvin though lol

 Did something new come out? The last I knew about that it was established Floyd died from drugs.

Oh come on now

You don't buy some bullshit toxicology report do you? those drugs were probably built up in his system for YEARS prior to his murder. THe dude more than likely consumed that many drugs or even more on any given day of the week. Dozens if not hundreds of times. That's what addicts do.

and he was just fine going about his business until the body weight of another human being placed center mass dead on his neck was slowly suffocating him for 9 minutes straight.  At a minimum that action cause a chain reaction in his body that lead to his death.

Onlookers TOLD chauvin the guy was under duress. THe guy was telling chauvin himself he was under duress -- he fucking pissed on himself for crying out loud.

Nah, I dont give a shit if he had enough drugs in him to kill a god damn Nephilim -- chauvin, at a minimum, assisted in flyod's death and is therefore guilty of murder.

He had lethal amounts of drugs in his system and the film shows him swallowing his drug baggy.  Which he had done twice before.  He does of a drug overdose, period.

So if I kneel on someone's neck for 9 minutes and that person has a history of asthma and that person dies are we going to split hairs over whether it was technically the asthma that killed him or the fact that I am pressing down my entire fucking body weight on his air passage for 9 minutes? Thus, more than likely, starting an entire host of possible chain reactions in their body which ultimately lead to the gravest outcome.

if you're going to sit there and tell me that an avid drug user who has done this several times before and lived to tell the tails suddenly dies this time around because it's the 3rd is a charm effect or some other random silliness and it has NOTHING to do with the strain placed upon his body having 150 pounds bearing down directly on an air passage - restricting it -- considerably! For 9 fucking minutes!  then I don't know what to tell you. Believe whatever the right wing media tells you to believe


I dont buy it. Chauvin was told repeatedly that the man was suffering. the man can be heard practically begging. He had no less than 3 other police officers around him and Floyd was cuffed. The man was a very and I mean VERY reduced threat at that point and could have been afforded the basic human courtesy of being placed on his side to further allow for better breathing. Any decent human being with so much as an ounce of empathy would have done just that.

Instead he callously ignores Floyd's and the onlookers pleas to simply give this man air. Isn't that what is yelled out when someone faints or has a bad accident and there around crowds around them? Give them air? How much air do you think George was getting face down, arms behind his back with a Goddman 150 pound object placed squarely on his neck?

Therefore, I don't give the first fuck if he snorted napalm out of god damn garbage bag right before the incident. Chauvin is guilty of manslaughter. Not first or second degree murder as BLM and the other race hustlers wanted but certainly manslaughter

To allow Chuavin to walk a free man after witnessing THAT would have been a travesty of justice which would have proved positive everything the race hustlers try to platform on.

Nope. Jury got it 100% right on this one and he is exactly where he belongs. 

The parents were negligent and should be in prison for at least a decade. First off, you dont buy a pistol for a kid IMO. You start with a .22 rifle and a bunch of training. They have to demonstrate the ability to be safe and never fuck around with a gun. This shitstain was fantasizing about killing people, something which should have disqualified him from being around guns even with parental supervision. The coup de grace with these parents though is had they taken the asshole kid home when the school called them about his demonic inspired drawings, those dead kids would be alive. When the parents discovered the pistol missing, they should have called the school AND the cops immediately! Instead, they were all about the CYA. They are guilty of negligent homicide for certain.

Quote from: Lokmar on April 10, 2024, 08:44:07 PMThe parents were negligent and should be in prison for at least a decade. First off, you dont buy a pistol for a kid IMO. You start with a .22 rifle and a bunch of training. They have to demonstrate the ability to be safe and never fuck around with a gun. This shitstain was fantasizing about killing people, something which should have disqualified him from being around guns even with parental supervision. The coup de grace with these parents though is had they taken the asshole kid home when the school called them about his demonic inspired drawings, those dead kids would be alive. When the parents discovered the pistol missing, they should have called the school AND the cops immediately! Instead, they were all about the CYA. They are guilty of negligent homicide for certain.

The Kid was mentally I'll & should have in no way been near or close to guns of any kind....Lokmar! This was the same kind of situation as the Connecticut shooter who was a mentally I'll teenager who let him have access to her guns.

In many countries there are gun restrictions placed on the mentally ill. Switzerland does not allow them to own firearms and their murder rate is a fraction of the USA & Canada. Switzerland also has a thriving gun culture with more guns per capita than Canada.

Quote from: Lokmar on April 10, 2024, 08:44:07 PMThe parents were negligent and should be in prison for at least a decade. First off, you dont buy a pistol for a kid IMO. You start with a .22 rifle and a bunch of training. They have to demonstrate the ability to be safe and never fuck around with a gun. This shitstain was fantasizing about killing people, something which should have disqualified him from being around guns even with parental supervision. The coup de grace with these parents though is had they taken the asshole kid home when the school called them about his demonic inspired drawings, those dead kids would be alive. When the parents discovered the pistol missing, they should have called the school AND the cops immediately! Instead, they were all about the CYA. They are guilty of negligent homicide for certain.

Quote from: Lokmar on April 10, 2024, 08:44:07 PMThe parents were negligent and should be in prison for at least a decade. First off, you dont buy a pistol for a kid IMO. You start with a .22 rifle and a bunch of training. They have to demonstrate the ability to be safe and never fuck around with a gun. This shitstain was fantasizing about killing people, something which should have disqualified him from being around guns even with parental supervision. The coup de grace with these parents though is had they taken the asshole kid home when the school called them about his demonic inspired drawings, those dead kids would be alive. When the parents discovered the pistol missing, they should have called the school AND the cops immediately! Instead, they were all about the CYA. They are guilty of negligent homicide for certain.

 It's against gun regulations (ones that I don't even support but you get my point) for a kid that age to even have that gun. They bought it and gave it to him illegally.

 Kid had NO training. No education with firearm safety...nothing.

 I let my daughters shoot guns they cannot legally own. They were always with a competent adult and they are trained.  My oldest is ready to get her concealed carry permit. She's more competent with a gun that many people double her age.

 And she will be working and commuting in a rough part of the state.

 Dumbfuck parents like this end up getting kids killed and just giving more retarded anti gun arguments to people who already want to further strip our 2A rights.

 Fuck them. Fuck them right up their inbred retarded assholes and keep on fucking them. I hope they enjoy their prison time and I hope it's not too late for that kid to get the psych care he clearly needs to be a contributing member of society.

Quote from: JOE on April 11, 2024, 12:43:33 AMThe Kid was mentally I'll & should have in no way been near or close to guns of any kind....Lokmar! This was the same kind of situation as the Connecticut shooter who was a mentally I'll teenager who let him have access to her guns.

In many countries there are gun restrictions placed on the mentally ill. Switzerland does not allow them to own firearms and their murder rate is a fraction of the USA & Canada. Switzerland also has a thriving gun culture with more guns per capita than Canada.

 The kid was given the gun illegally.

 We DO have laws and regulations. The only ones who mind them are law abiding citizens, Joe.

 It's not legal to just start shooting people, does that ever stop shooters? Why would gun laws stop them?

 "Well I had no problem breaking the law to gun down a classroom of my peers....but I just can't bring myself to break gun regulation laws!"

 See how nutty that is?

 Gun laws don't bother people like that kid and his family. Laws didn't stop THEM.  Laws stop families like MINE who respect the law. So it would just further disarm US. Not ant shooters. 

 If that wacko can bring a gun to school to harm and kill...MY daughters should be able to have one too so they can defend themselves. It's not legally for a teen to bring a gun to school though....so guess which one WONT have a gun? My daughter. Who respects the law. That psycho pre pubescent Micheal Myers will still bring his and be able to just pick off classmates without a single fear of return fire. Is that fair?

Quote from: Dove on April 11, 2024, 01:49:03 AMThe kid was given the gun illegally.

 We DO have laws and regulations. The only ones who mind them are law abiding citizens, Joe.

 It's not legal to just start shooting people, does that ever stop shooters? Why would gun laws stop them?

 "Well I had no problem breaking the law to gun down a classroom of my peers....but I just can't bring myself to break gun regulation laws!"

 See how nutty that is?

 Gun laws don't bother people like that kid and his family. Laws didn't stop THEM.  Laws stop families like MINE who respect the law. So it would just further disarm US. Not ant shooters. 

 If that wacko can bring a gun to school to harm and kill...MY daughters should be able to have one too so they can defend themselves. It's not legally for a teen to bring a gun to school though....so guess which one WONT have a gun? My daughter. Who respects the law. That psycho pre pubescent Micheal Myers will still bring his and be able to just pick off classmates without a single fear of return fire. Is that fair?

Joe can't afford a gun. He is jealous of the Canadians and Americans who can.

Quote from: JOE on April 11, 2024, 12:43:33 AMThe Kid was mentally I'll & should have in no way been near or close to guns of any kind....Lokmar! This was the same kind of situation as the Connecticut shooter who was a mentally I'll teenager who let him have access to her guns.

In many countries there are gun restrictions placed on the mentally ill. Switzerland does not allow them to own firearms and their murder rate is a fraction of the USA & Canada. Switzerland also has a thriving gun culture with more guns per capita than Canada.

Thats what I just said, josephine.

He 100% without a doubt died of a drug overdose.  He was complaining he couldn't breath long before the officer tried to subdue him for freaking out and not following lawful orders also, no, the knee was not on his neck for 9 minutes.  You need to learn to watch the body camera footage and think critically instead of simply regurgitating false propaganda.

The man killed himself by swallowing his own stash and then the jury was intimidated into ignoring the evidence out of fear.

Quote from: Oerdin on April 11, 2024, 10:51:37 AMHe 100% without a doubt died of a drug overdose.  He was complaining he couldn't breath long before the officer tried to subdue him for freaking out and not following lawful orders also, no, the knee was not on his neck for 9 minutes.  You need to learn to watch the body camera footage and think critically instead of simply regurgitating false propaganda.

The man killed himself by swallowing his own stash and then the jury was intimidated into ignoring the evidence out of fear.

If you want to "think critically" I would advise you to read your own post aloud and think about it. Critically. You just buried your own fucking argument.

you said "he was complaining of being unable to breathe long before the officer tried to subdue him" so basically you are admitting this man was under duress and clearly articulated such to Derrick Chauvin. Telling him clearly as YOU Pointed out "I cant breathe"

so I'm going to make this really simple for you in the form of a multiple choice question so you cant isolate the answer most correct as a response by a public safety servant to a situation such as this

suspect just swallowed an entire bag full of drugs, he is screaming and acting erratic possibly due to the panic brought on by central nervous stimulants in his body. He complains to you that he cannot breathe. In order to fufill your role as a PUBLIC SAFETY SERVANT which in fact involves the safety of the surrounding public, yourself, your fellow officers AND the suspect you are trying to apprehend you do one of the following.

A) Place the suspect in a position further restricting airflow face down with his hands behind his back and further compound an already dire situation for him by putting your knee on his neck for 9 minutes while ignoring his pleas and the pleas of the public around you to let the man breathe.

B) B you walk your fucking dog

C) what's for breakfast

D) You take into consideration that YOU and 4 other officers backing you up on the scene are armed with a multitude of tools to properly subdue hostile subjects and proceed to act like a fucking human being or at a minimum a public safety servant and place this man on his side, hands cuffed in front of him and place his arms around a stationary object IF you truly feel he is that much of a clear and present danger to the public around him.

Now, let's compare what Chauvin did to what the definition of manslaughter is

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manslaughter

No sir, I believe it is YOU who should learn to think critically instead of gobbling up ultra right conspiracy theories and defense attorney narratives. Bro, you're basically saying here and now if I push a person who I know does not know how to swim into a swimming pool and walk away I am not at all culpable for their death because it was the water that killed them.

Hello, are you home?

looking at the video it sure looks like Chuavin's knee is on Floyd's neck to me.. if you think otherwise might I suggest a basic human anatomy course for your review?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnLxXbBTFD8&rco=1

It's narratives like this that hurt us conservatives and give race hustlers the ammunition they need to call us racists and rally otherwise good, wholesome and moral Christians of a darker skin color against us

it's fucking pathetic

No one on this site interacts more with the black community than I.. neither here nor the wannabe race hustlers at barnyard farms dot com who think attending a blm rally puts them in the thick of the struggle. *spits* clowns. And I have argued plenty a time on behalf of George zimmerman -- why? Because that was a clear cut and dry case of self defense. Period. They argue back but respect me because they see that I am a straight shooter who will examine the FACTs of the particular case and render an opinion based solely on that.

I wouldn't have such respect if I merely followed the right wing narrative on matters such as these where we would seek to let this man walk free after a video showing the events unfold in real time clearly shows he had culpability in the man's death? Whether negligent or deliberate it was indeed manslaughter NOT 1st degree, NOT 2nd degree murder but Manslaughter

and had the prosecutor sought 2nd or 1st degree I would have voted to acquit had I been on the jury but Manslaughter? You bet your ass I'd be in there voting to convict

and I ain't afraid of any of those corny mobs.  So no, I'm not buying the intimidation factor either.

I am saying O.D.ing on fentanyl makes people stop breathing.  He swallowed his stash and killed himself.  The officer, who was a rookie, did exactly what the academy trained him to do which is to restrain and handcuff an uncooperative suspect who was being lawfully detained for committing a felony.None of those police did anything wrong.

Quote from: Dove on April 11, 2024, 01:49:03 AMThe kid was given the gun illegally.

 We DO have laws and regulations. The only ones who mind them are law abiding citizens, Joe.

 It's not legal to just start shooting people, does that ever stop shooters? Why would gun laws stop them?

 "Well I had no problem breaking the law to gun down a classroom of my peers....but I just can't bring myself to break gun regulation laws!"

 See how nutty that is?

 Gun laws don't bother people like that kid and his family. Laws didn't stop THEM.  Laws stop families like MINE who respect the law. So it would just further disarm US. Not ant shooters. 

 If that wacko can bring a gun to school to harm and kill...MY daughters should be able to have one too so they can defend themselves. It's not legally for a teen to bring a gun to school though....so guess which one WONT have a gun? My daughter. Who respects the law. That psycho pre pubescent Micheal Myers will still bring his and be able to just pick off classmates without a single fear of return fire. Is that fair?

I think people should spend at least 3 years in the Armed Forces before being able to own a gun Dove ove

Just like it was in the good old days.

Back then if Uncle Sam or the Canadian government shoved a gun in a guy's gut, he was expected to go to War.

And if he survived the War, he was taught hard discipline and respect. 3, 4, 5 years of harsh military training. Hard Time in the Military got them a gun.

That's what they do in places like Switzerland.


Yeah, the guv gives a guy a gun, but then he is expected to serve time in the Military. And their Murder rate is way lower than the USA or Canada because it teaches them about responsibility.

As the saying goes,"with Great Power comes Great Resonsibility."

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None of this bullshit about giving ANYONE a gun just because they can afford it.

 So again Joe...let's make sure only criminals are armed.

 That way no one can defend themselves and no one will care about shootings anymore.

Quote from: Oerdin on April 11, 2024, 12:41:35 PMThe officer, who was a rookie, did exactly what the academy trained him to do

Bro -- you just told me you have no idea what the facts of this case are


Derrick Chauvin was a police officer for 19 years.

If you think that makes him a "rookie" then we should just stop having this conversation right now

Quote from: Dove on April 11, 2024, 12:47:41 PMSo again Joe...let's make sure only criminals are armed.

 That way no one can defend themselves and no one will care about shootings anymore.

but you see Dove, when you have people saying the parents did nothing wrong or that criminal police officers should go free after committing murder on camera it hurts us all. Because it gives the left the exact types of narratives they need to turn otherwise level headed people against us.

Then you wind up with the hair-brain ideas Joe is espousing here

Quote from: Biggie Smiles on April 11, 2024, 12:53:34 PMbut you see Dove, when you have people saying the parents did nothing wrong or that criminal police officers should go free after committing murder on camera it hurts us all. Because it gives the left the exact types of narratives they need to turn otherwise level headed people against us.

Then you wind up with the hair-brain ideas Joe is espousing here

Joe is just being an asshole for his own amusement. You cannot have a serious discussion with him.

Quote from: Brent on April 11, 2024, 01:00:27 PMJoe is just being an asshole for his own amusement. You cannot have a serious discussion with him.

I know,

that's why I don't bother responding to him

Quote from: Dove on April 11, 2024, 12:47:41 PMSo again Joe...let's make sure only criminals are armed.

 That way no one can defend themselves and no one will care about shootings anymore.

That being the case, it's too late for America Dove ove.

Unlike Switzerland, you guys didn't do it right.

You might think I'm anti-gun, but actually I support a LIMITED form of gun ownership
ie - being able to arm one's self in one's own home LICENSED & TRAINED, particularly if it's a dangerous neighborhood


But I don't support people carrying guns in the streets or anyone under age owning them.

America doesn't want just anyone flying a plane Untrained & Unlicensed, so why it extend this courtesy to gun owners?

Quote from: JOE on April 11, 2024, 01:17:07 PMThat being the case, it's too late for America Dove ove.

Unlike Switzerland, you guys didn't do it right.

You might think I'm anti-gun, but actually I support a LIMITED form of gun ownership
ie - being able to arm one's self in one's own home LICENSED & TRAINED, particularly if it's a dangerous neighborhood


But I don't support people carrying guns in the streets or anyone under age owning them.

America doesn't want just anyone flying a plane Untrained & Unlicensed, so why it extend this courtesy to gun owners?

Honeybuch, your posts are a separate issue and not pertinent to the case in Michigan.

You are still a good lay though. :wub1:

There ought to be a longer period towards attaining fully licensed gun ownership.

A graduated gun licensing program.

Maybe 5 years & an ongoing licensing maintenance/renewal after that.

That is, the person actually demonstrates they not only able to handle a gun, but are also law abiding citizens of good standing without criminal records and mental illness. And the police can always check on them, even confiscate the weapons and take away their licenses if they break the law. And the gun owner has gone through an extended period where they can gain the public's trust to be able to own and store guns.

I know people here don't like that, but guns are dangerous instruments.

It's similar to lethal chemicals - the government doesn't grant everyone that privilege to handle them for industrial purposes
They have to write exams, demonstrate that they are mentally fit and law abiding before they are allowed to.

The same with being granted a license to fly a plane. If the government thinks a guy is a terrorist who's gonna ram a plane into buildings, they don't let them have it.

Another thing I would do to discourage excessive gun hoarding is to introduce a tax on people like LokmarL okmeer .

That oughta help reduce the gun problem in America alright.

Quote from: Oerdin on April 11, 2024, 12:41:35 PMI am saying O.D.ing on fentanyl makes people stop breathing.  He swallowed his stash and killed himself.  The officer, who was a rookie, did exactly what the academy trained him to do which is to restrain and handcuff an uncooperative suspect who was being lawfully detained for committing a felony.None of those police did anything wrong.

I have to disagree.

Right off, I bought into the narrative that Chauvin outright murdered him and said the cop should have been executed. Then I watched the tape.

I dont know if the cop knew Floyd swallowed the drugs as it was only AFTER slow mo review of the body cam footage that you can see the bag in Floyds mouth. Its a fact though that he gave himself a lethal dose of drugs. Floyd did that part to himself.

Floyd was going haywire saying he couldnt breathe and was resisting being put into the car. I have to wonder, was he freaking out because he was worried he just fucked himself or was he actually in the early stages of a heart attack? The cops finally decided to cuff him and put him on the ground, face down. Floyd kept saying he couldnt breath and eventually started passing out as he got quieter and stopped fighting/resisting, and finally went limp.

Now you can see the asian cop get real concerned as Floyd started getting quiet and again when he passed out. At that point, he should have acted but deferred to Chauvin. IMO, Chauvin was purposely being defiant of the crowd that was pretty much ordering him to get Floyd up. THESE are the moments that the crime occurred. It was a willful failure to act that resulted in Floyds death.

Like it or not, cops are charged with rendering aid in a situation like this, not just letting someone die or worse yet, adding to the problem.

I dont believe it was murder but it was definitely way worse than manslaughter.

Quote from: JOE on April 12, 2024, 06:53:46 AMAnother thing I would do to discourage excessive gun hoarding is to introduce a tax on people like LokmarL okmeer .

That oughta help reduce the gun problem in America alright.

How would you do that, dumbass? They already made it illegal for me to have my AR-15's. Did that work?
 :popcorn:

People like you here will be the first to be eliminated when the time comes.

Quote from: JOE on April 11, 2024, 08:03:21 PMThere ought to be a longer period towards attaining fully licensed gun ownership.

A graduated gun licensing program.

Maybe 5 years & an ongoing licensing maintenance/renewal after that.

That is, the person actually demonstrates they not only able to handle a gun, but are also law abiding citizens of good standing without criminal records and mental illness. And the police can always check on them, even confiscate the weapons and take away their licenses if they break the law. And the gun owner has gone through an extended period where they can gain the public's trust to be able to own and store guns.

I know people here don't like that, but guns are dangerous instruments.

It's similar to lethal chemicals - the government doesn't grant everyone that privilege to handle them for industrial purposes
They have to write exams, demonstrate that they are mentally fit and law abiding before they are allowed to.

The same with being granted a license to fly a plane. If the government thinks a guy is a terrorist who's gonna ram a plane into buildings, they don't let them have it.

You dumb dickhead, owning a gun is a God given right. Stick to your own jackbooted faggit assed governing system.

Quote from: Biggie Smiles on April 11, 2024, 12:50:30 PMBro -- you just told me you have no idea what the facts of this case are


Derrick Chauvin was a police officer for 19 years.

If you think that makes him a "rookie" then we should just stop having this conversation right now

Ok, I confused one of the other cases.  The facts remain that the guy died of an O.D..

The Asian cop was the rookie.

BTW they did call an ambulance and attempted first aid so, yes, they did attempt to render assistance.