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Quote from: "Gary Oak"I speak Cantonese and Mandarin Real Welching Woman. You should hear what they say about us. They hate us and these Canadascams are only here for a passport and sell our country to their bosses in Beijing. They all have connections to the triads too.

Quote from: "Gary Oak"The evil that is Islam

Quote from: "Gary Oak"Then I suppose everybody else is a latent homo too

Quote from: "Renee"It's all leftard sociological bunk use to perpetuate the more twisted elements of their social agenda. The people who believe that "white privilege" exists are the same kind of fools that believe only white people can be racist.  It's prog nonsense of the most socially damaging and ridiculous kind.

QuoteCop Who Oversaw Torture Of 118 Black Men Freed After Less Than 4 Years



An ex-police commander who oversaw the torture of more than 100 black men in Chicago police custody walked out of federal prison Thursday, after serving just three and a half years of his sentence.



Jon Burge left the minimum-security prison in North Carolina to report to a halfway house in Florida until his sentence officially runs out in February of 2015, the Chicago Tribune reports.



After the 66-year-old was convicted in 2011 of perjury and obstruction of justice for lying about police torture, several members of the Chicago City Council called for a reparations fund of $20 million -- roughly the amount Burge and his "midnight crew" of detectives have cost Chicago taxpayers over the years in legal defense fees and settlements alone. Aldermen renewed those calls on Thursday, saying it's time for the city to "make amends."



Anthony Holmes was one of the victims Burge personally tortured -- with methods including electric shock -- into giving a confession to a murder he says he didn't commit. Holmes, who is now pushing 70, spent 30 years behind bars as a result and has yet to see any compensation because the statute of limitations on the torture has run out.



"At least he's got a pension," Holmes said of Burge, according to DNAinfo Chicago. "We came out of there with nothing."



Illinois Attorney General Lisa Madigan tried to strip Burge of his $4,000-a-month police pension, but couldn't overrule a police pension board vote.



//http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/10/02/jon-burge-released_n_5923784.html

Quote from: "Romero"That article is just another recent example of the white privilege Gary and Renee believe doesn't exist.

Quote from: "Real Woman"I have to agree that we need to stop pandering to this bullshit.  It's like we look for reasons to cry foul.

Quote from: "Shen Li"

Quote from: "Romero"That article is just another recent example of the white privilege Gary and Renee believe doesn't exist.

It is? I read an article about a brutal racist thug with a badge.

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Quote from: "Shen Li"

Quote from: "Romero"That article is just another recent example of the white privilege Gary and Renee believe doesn't exist.

It is? I read an article about a brutal racist thug with a badge.

White cop gets less than four years for torturing over 100 black men. If he was a black man caught with a small amount of drugs, he may have received a life sentence.

Quote from: "Real Woman"I think people are socio-economically profiled which tends to be tied to race, and I am on the fence regarding the usefulness of such profiling.  But to make the point, if you aren't pulled over, etc, because you are white, you ARE being racially profiled - just not in a negative way.



I'm just not sure how discussing racism (which I still believe most people have no fricken idea what it truly is), discrimination, bias, etc, has to be done with such a bullshit subject line such as white privilege.

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Quote from: "Romero"If you're racially profiled just because you're not white, it isn't right.



White privilege is when you aren't racially profiled just because you're white. And of course there's plain old racism, bias and discrimination. The teachers are holding a workshop on the subject.

Quote from: "Romero"If you're racially profiled just because you're not white, it isn't right.



White privilege is when you aren't racially profiled just because you're white. And of course there's plain old racism, bias and discrimination. The teachers are holding a workshop on the subject.

Quote from: "Real Woman"So racial profiling that negatively impacts black people is white privlege?



Again, how does this relate or justify this bullshit seminar in Canada?

Quote from: "Shen Li"You still haven't shown us the connection between "white privilege" and bad policing? Are the teachers holding a workshop on rogue cops or "white privilege".



BTW, from wiki,  "in Canada Asian people were less likely to be pulled over than whites or blacks".



If those shit-disturbing teachers hold a workshop on "yellow privilege", I'll fucking kill em. ac_toofunny

Quote from: "Gary Oak"I believe that we should only allow people to immigrate to our white nations that actually like us like filipinos. Is there something racist about this ? really ?

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Quote from: "Shen Li"You still haven't shown us the connection between "white privilege" and bad policing? Are the teachers holding a workshop on rogue cops or "white privilege".



BTW, from wiki,  "in Canada Asian people were less likely to be pulled over than whites or blacks".



If those shit-disturbing teachers hold a workshop on "yellow privilege", I'll fucking kill em. ac_toofunny

I don't think it's just "bad policing" if you're less likely to be stopped, searched, jailed and even shot if you're white.



Those are harsh examples mainly from the US but white privilege is usually more subtle. Having to deal with racism, maybe less likely to get a job or apartment. Being made to feel uncomfortable just for shopping at a store.



I believe you've mentioned being called racist names in public. I never have. A way of looking at that could be saying I'm in some way privileged. I never have to deal with that crap. When someone doesn't have to deal with these things, they are less likely to believe they even happen at all.



There's nothing wrong with discussing white privilege. These are professional educators and it's not like they're just making it up out of nowhere.

Quote from: "Real Woman"No one will take me on :(

Quote from: "Real Woman"Anyway, this "white privilege" shit is just another example of misguided PC bullshit and Romero, fuck you for supporting it even if its in your own twisted little way.  If this was any other *insert colour/race/gender/religion here* privilege, your tune would be a lot different.  I am not going to apologize for being white and I'm not going to put up with these bullshit labels because people act like dicks towards other races, etc.  It's all bullshit.  I wouldn't support it on the flip - I won't support it on the white side either.  Maybe Ro, you can explain why it's okay to chuck this kind of socio bullshit onto whities.

Quote from: "Gary Oak"TORONTO - The Elementary Teachers' Federation of Ontario (ETFO) is offering their members a workshop on "white privilege."



That's right. It doesn't question whether white privilege exists.



That's a given. No debate about whether all white people have special status. They just do.



And the union representing more than 76,000 teachers is teaching its membership how to deal with it.



White privilege exists, therefore ETFO will have a workshop on it.



Frankly, as a white person who's struggled all my life to become privileged, I really wish I knew what white privilege is, because I'd like a heaping helping.



If I'd had a chunk of white privilege, I wouldn't have had to bust my butt every day working to make a living. I could be eating bonbons on a yacht in the Mediterranean.



A note on the ETFO website says the union is looking for people to put on the workshops.



The "ideal presenter" will have "demonstrated commitment and understanding of white privilege and systemic issues."



Interested in the job? Then you should submit a cover letter that outlines "your understanding of white privilege."



Well, here's my understanding of white privilege.



It doesn't exist.



This is a racist notion put forward by ETFO and it is as dangerous as it is corrosive.



I don't know what "systemic issues" they're talking about, but it's presupposing a whole bunch of false assumptions.



By their very nature and label, these workshops are aimed at creating resentment of one race by all others.



What on earth is a union doing giving workshops on something that's so alien to Canadian society?



The purpose is clearly to indoctrinate teachers into believing it exists.



The next step is for them to brainwash the children in their classrooms.



Do you really want that? Should white parents allow their children to be guilted by their teachers into believing they're privileged because they're white?



This has no place in our society.



We don't have a problem with "white privilege."



We have a society built on successive waves of immigration. We have no deep-rooted aristocracy that inherits wealth.



Just living in this great country that rewards hard work, ingenuity and initiative is a privilege — no matter what your colour.



Most people who consider themselves "privileged," do so because either they, their parents or their grandparents made incredible sacrifices to give them the way of life they enjoy.



A teacher forwarded the information on the workshops to the Toronto Sun. His question was why the union is putting on toxic workshops like this when they should be dealing with education issues.



The teacher, who didn't want to be identified, says his union should be fighting for more up-to-date textbooks and better classroom materials. The ones he's working with now are old, decrepit and inadequate.



Shouldn't teachers be taking workshops that refresh their teaching skills in subjects such as math, French, English and geography?



ETFO turned down my request for a comment Thursday.



"The decision is that at this point in time we do not wish to comment on that," said spokesman Jennifer Drope, wishing me "good luck with your story."



Well, thank you for that.



Other topics for workshops include "Islamophobia" and "homophobia."



Hmm. Wonder if they've checked what Islam's view on homosexuality is.



"Dated resources and teachers spending their own money on supplementing the elementary school system in Ontario impacts teachers more than 'Islamophobia' or 'white privilege,'" said the teacher, by e-mail. I suspect most teachers agree.



Their union should stick to doing what their members pay dues for — representing them at the bargaining table, supporting them in the classroom and helping them in disputes with school boards.



Stirring up hatred, resentment and division in a society that does its best to promote tolerance, equity and understanding is stunning in its stupidity.

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Quote from: "Real Woman"Anyway, this "white privilege" shit is just another example of misguided PC bullshit and Romero, fuck you for supporting it even if its in your own twisted little way.  If this was any other *insert colour/race/gender/religion here* privilege, your tune would be a lot different.  I am not going to apologize for being white and I'm not going to put up with these bullshit labels because people act like dicks towards other races, etc.  It's all bullshit.  I wouldn't support it on the flip - I won't support it on the white side either.  Maybe Ro, you can explain why it's okay to chuck this kind of socio bullshit onto whities.

Excuse me young lady, have you read what I have written here? I think it's pure fucking evil demonizing kids based on their skin colour. I also said, I feel bad for people like urself and Renee that have young white kiddies. I would never want to hear about either of you having your children subjected to this sick emotional abuse. There is no way in hell anyone's kids should be made to feel guilty because of their race. No way in fucking hell!!

Quote from: "Real Woman"

Quote from: "Shen Li"

Quote from: "Real Woman"Anyway, this "white privilege" shit is just another example of misguided PC bullshit and Romero, fuck you for supporting it even if its in your own twisted little way.  If this was any other *insert colour/race/gender/religion here* privilege, your tune would be a lot different.  I am not going to apologize for being white and I'm not going to put up with these bullshit labels because people act like dicks towards other races, etc.  It's all bullshit.  I wouldn't support it on the flip - I won't support it on the white side either.  Maybe Ro, you can explain why it's okay to chuck this kind of socio bullshit onto whities.

Excuse me young lady, have you read what I have written here? I think it's pure fucking evil demonizing kids based on their skin colour. I also said, I feel bad for people like urself and Renee that have young white kiddies. I would never want to hear about either of you having your children subjected to this sick emotional abuse. There is no way in hell anyone's kids should be made to feel guilty because of their race. No way in fucking hell!!

I believe it's for dealing with issues within the membership.

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Quote from: "Gary Oak"TORONTO - The Elementary Teachers' Federation of Ontario (ETFO) is offering their members a workshop on "white privilege."



That's right. It doesn't question whether white privilege exists.



That's a given. No debate about whether all white people have special status. They just do.



And the union representing more than 76,000 teachers is teaching its membership how to deal with it.



White privilege exists, therefore ETFO will have a workshop on it.



Frankly, as a white person who's struggled all my life to become privileged, I really wish I knew what white privilege is, because I'd like a heaping helping.



If I'd had a chunk of white privilege, I wouldn't have had to bust my butt every day working to make a living. I could be eating bonbons on a yacht in the Mediterranean.



A note on the ETFO website says the union is looking for people to put on the workshops.



The "ideal presenter" will have "demonstrated commitment and understanding of white privilege and systemic issues."



Interested in the job? Then you should submit a cover letter that outlines "your understanding of white privilege."



Well, here's my understanding of white privilege.



It doesn't exist.



This is a racist notion put forward by ETFO and it is as dangerous as it is corrosive.



I don't know what "systemic issues" they're talking about, but it's presupposing a whole bunch of false assumptions.



By their very nature and label, these workshops are aimed at creating resentment of one race by all others.



What on earth is a union doing giving workshops on something that's so alien to Canadian society?



The purpose is clearly to indoctrinate teachers into believing it exists.



The next step is for them to brainwash the children in their classrooms.



Do you really want that? Should white parents allow their children to be guilted by their teachers into believing they're privileged because they're white?



This has no place in our society.



We don't have a problem with "white privilege."



We have a society built on successive waves of immigration. We have no deep-rooted aristocracy that inherits wealth.



Just living in this great country that rewards hard work, ingenuity and initiative is a privilege — no matter what your colour.



Most people who consider themselves "privileged," do so because either they, their parents or their grandparents made incredible sacrifices to give them the way of life they enjoy.



A teacher forwarded the information on the workshops to the Toronto Sun. His question was why the union is putting on toxic workshops like this when they should be dealing with education issues.



The teacher, who didn't want to be identified, says his union should be fighting for more up-to-date textbooks and better classroom materials. The ones he's working with now are old, decrepit and inadequate.



Shouldn't teachers be taking workshops that refresh their teaching skills in subjects such as math, French, English and geography?



ETFO turned down my request for a comment Thursday.



"The decision is that at this point in time we do not wish to comment on that," said spokesman Jennifer Drope, wishing me "good luck with your story."



Well, thank you for that.



Other topics for workshops include "Islamophobia" and "homophobia."



Hmm. Wonder if they've checked what Islam's view on homosexuality is.



"Dated resources and teachers spending their own money on supplementing the elementary school system in Ontario impacts teachers more than 'Islamophobia' or 'white privilege,'" said the teacher, by e-mail. I suspect most teachers agree.



Their union should stick to doing what their members pay dues for — representing them at the bargaining table, supporting them in the classroom and helping them in disputes with school boards.



Stirring up hatred, resentment and division in a society that does its best to promote tolerance, equity and understanding is stunning in its stupidity.

 ac_wot

Quote from: "Gary Oak"TORONTO - The Elementary Teachers' Federation of Ontario (ETFO) is offering their members a workshop on "white privilege."



That's right. It doesn't question whether white privilege exists.



That's a given. No debate about whether all white people have special status. They just do.



And the union representing more than 76,000 teachers is teaching its membership how to deal with it.



White privilege exists, therefore ETFO will have a workshop on it.



Frankly, as a white person who's struggled all my life to become privileged, I really wish I knew what white privilege is, because I'd like a heaping helping.



If I'd had a chunk of white privilege, I wouldn't have had to bust my butt every day working to make a living. I could be eating bonbons on a yacht in the Mediterranean.



A note on the ETFO website says the union is looking for people to put on the workshops.



The "ideal presenter" will have "demonstrated commitment and understanding of white privilege and systemic issues."



Interested in the job? Then you should submit a cover letter that outlines "your understanding of white privilege."



Well, here's my understanding of white privilege.



It doesn't exist.



This is a racist notion put forward by ETFO and it is as dangerous as it is corrosive.



I don't know what "systemic issues" they're talking about, but it's presupposing a whole bunch of false assumptions.



By their very nature and label, these workshops are aimed at creating resentment of one race by all others.



What on earth is a union doing giving workshops on something that's so alien to Canadian society?



The purpose is clearly to indoctrinate teachers into believing it exists.



The next step is for them to brainwash the children in their classrooms.



Do you really want that? Should white parents allow their children to be guilted by their teachers into believing they're privileged because they're white?



This has no place in our society.



We don't have a problem with "white privilege."



We have a society built on successive waves of immigration. We have no deep-rooted aristocracy that inherits wealth.



Just living in this great country that rewards hard work, ingenuity and initiative is a privilege — no matter what your colour.



Most people who consider themselves "privileged," do so because either they, their parents or their grandparents made incredible sacrifices to give them the way of life they enjoy.



A teacher forwarded the information on the workshops to the Toronto Sun. His question was why the union is putting on toxic workshops like this when they should be dealing with education issues.



The teacher, who didn't want to be identified, says his union should be fighting for more up-to-date textbooks and better classroom materials. The ones he's working with now are old, decrepit and inadequate.



Shouldn't teachers be taking workshops that refresh their teaching skills in subjects such as math, French, English and geography?



ETFO turned down my request for a comment Thursday.



"The decision is that at this point in time we do not wish to comment on that," said spokesman Jennifer Drope, wishing me "good luck with your story."



Well, thank you for that.



Other topics for workshops include "Islamophobia" and "homophobia."



Hmm. Wonder if they've checked what Islam's view on homosexuality is.



"Dated resources and teachers spending their own money on supplementing the elementary school system in Ontario impacts teachers more than 'Islamophobia' or 'white privilege,'" said the teacher, by e-mail. I suspect most teachers agree.



Their union should stick to doing what their members pay dues for — representing them at the bargaining table, supporting them in the classroom and helping them in disputes with school boards.



Stirring up hatred, resentment and division in a society that does its best to promote tolerance, equity and understanding is stunning in its stupidity.

Quote from: "seoulbro"Gary Oak suddenly cares about racism when he feels whites are the ones the who are getting the short end of the stick.  acc_devil

Quote from: "Shen Li"I can't believe an old white guy is actually lecturing me about "white privilege. You've got some fucking nerve!!



Clearly if you are using police misconduct as your guide that tells me you are as ignorant of minority issues as Gary Oak. I agreed there is white privilege, but to me it has nothing to do with policing. You could ask another minority and they might have a different position entirely. There is NO way(that we can all agree on) to prove let alone define it. Are women or men more likely to be "profiled" by police? Does that mean women have an unfair position in Canadian society and there is women's privilege? If so, will Ontario elementary teachers make little girls feel like shit with a workshop?



I absolutely love kiddies...all of em and I do NOT give a fuck what race they are. Demonizing one group of kids because of their race is child abuse plain and simple. SHAME!!!

Quote from: "Real Woman"Anyway, this "white privilege" shit is just another example of misguided PC bullshit and Romero, fuck you for supporting it even if its in your own twisted little way.  If this was any other *insert colour/race/gender/religion here* privilege, your tune would be a lot different.  I am not going to apologize for being white and I'm not going to put up with these bullshit labels because people act like dicks towards other races, etc.  It's all bullshit.  I wouldn't support it on the flip - I won't support it on the white side either.  Maybe Ro, you can explain why it's okay to chuck this kind of socio bullshit onto whities.

Quote from: "Real Woman"Romero, think about it on the flip for just one second.  Say they had a workshop called "Racial Profiling: Black People Really Do Commit A Lot of Crimes".  Would you support that as a "different aspect" from which to discuss the problems within profiling?  I mean, they could be talking about the underlying socio-economic issues that could cause racial profiling.



Helpful or not helpful?

QuoteRacial profiling doesn't work



While one of the most common initial responses to racial profiling is a denial that it occurs, there are some who do not deny its existence but rather argue that it does and should occur because it is a useful and appropriate tool to focus limited resources on those who are most likely to be engaged in inappropriate behaviour.



However, there is strong evidence that racial profiling does not work. In fact, where racial profiling has been studied in the context of law enforcement, such as in the United States, it has been found by some scholars to be neither an efficient nor effective approach to fighting crime. Studies in the United States have consistently found that while minorities (African American and Latino persons) were targeted more, the chance of finding contraband when their cars were searched was the same or less than White persons. In several studies, minorities were found to be statistically significantly less likely to have contraband found following a search. For example, a 2001 U.S. Department of Justice report on 1,272,282 citizen-police contacts in 1999 found that, although African Americans and Hispanics were much more likely than White persons to be stopped and searched, they were about half as likely to be in possession of contraband.



These studies have led experts in the United States to conclude that focusing only on one group will likely lead to persons who are committing crimes in other groups, often at the same rates, going unchallenged.



Similarly, when the U.S. Customs Service reformed their search procedures to eliminate racial, ethnic and gender bias in their search activity while instituting stronger supervisor oversight for searches, they were able to conduct 75% fewer searches without reducing the number of successful searches for contraband carrying passengers. And, the hit rates were essentially the same for 'Whites', 'Blacks' and 'Hispanics'. This means that by eliminating racial profiling, the Customs Service was more efficient and equally likely to catch passengers carrying contraband while reducing the number of innocent people who were subjected to the indignity of a search by three-quarters.



In addition to evidence concerning the ineffectiveness of racial profiling, it is also a practice that is logically flawed. Experts point out that even if certain crimes are mostly committed by members of a particular group, it does not mean that a particular person from that group is more likely to have committed a crime. And, even if more crime is committed by a certain group that make up a small percentage of the population, it is still more likely that any given crime will have been committed by someone belonging to the majority group.



In any event, statistics suggesting that a particular group commits a disproportionate amount of crime can often be skewed because of racial profiling itself. If a particular group is stopped more often, even if they are committing less crime than the rest of the population, the fact that they are scrutinized more frequently will result in higher charge rates. This then becomes the justification for profiling. Some scholars therefore argue that, at the end of the day, statistics do not tell the offending behaviour of different races, but rather they measure the actions of the entity engaging in profiling.



Therefore, there is significant evidence that racial profiling is neither an efficient nor an effective practice. And, the discussion that follows shows that racial profiling comes with a huge price tag to individuals, families and communities while negatively impacting the very institutions that practice it.



//http://www.ohrc.on.ca/en/paying-price-human-cost-racial-profiling/racial-profiling-doesnt-work

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Quote from: "Real Woman"Romero, think about it on the flip for just one second.  Say they had a workshop called "Racial Profiling: Black People Really Do Commit A Lot of Crimes".  Would you support that as a "different aspect" from which to discuss the problems within profiling?  I mean, they could be talking about the underlying socio-economic issues that could cause racial profiling.



Helpful or not helpful?

I doubt Romero wants to discuss the socioeconomic reasons that cause racial profiling. We've had similar discussions like this before and all he does is deny any culpability on the part of blacks and he tries to shuffle the black communities cultural problems under the rug.



Be my guest if you think you can get anything out of him other than the tired old "blame whitey" garbage that has been burned into his brain.

Quote from: "Real Woman"I didn't say anything about racial profiling working or not Ro.  You can't placate me with articles.  I asked a very specific question.  You don't need to weave and dodge, just answer straight up.

Quote from: "Renee"I doubt Romero wants to discuss the socioeconomic reasons that cause racial profiling.

QuoteRacial profiling doesn't work



While one of the most common initial responses to racial profiling is a denial that it occurs, there are some who do not deny its existence but rather argue that it does and should occur because it is a useful and appropriate tool to focus limited resources on those who are most likely to be engaged in inappropriate behaviour.



However, there is strong evidence that racial profiling does not work. In fact, where racial profiling has been studied in the context of law enforcement, such as in the United States, it has been found by some scholars to be neither an efficient nor effective approach to fighting crime. Studies in the United States have consistently found that while minorities (African American and Latino persons) were targeted more, the chance of finding contraband when their cars were searched was the same or less than White persons. In several studies, minorities were found to be statistically significantly less likely to have contraband found following a search. For example, a 2001 U.S. Department of Justice report on 1,272,282 citizen-police contacts in 1999 found that, although African Americans and Hispanics were much more likely than White persons to be stopped and searched, they were about half as likely to be in possession of contraband.



These studies have led experts in the United States to conclude that focusing only on one group will likely lead to persons who are committing crimes in other groups, often at the same rates, going unchallenged.



Similarly, when the U.S. Customs Service reformed their search procedures to eliminate racial, ethnic and gender bias in their search activity while instituting stronger supervisor oversight for searches, they were able to conduct 75% fewer searches without reducing the number of successful searches for contraband carrying passengers. And, the hit rates were essentially the same for 'Whites', 'Blacks' and 'Hispanics'. This means that by eliminating racial profiling, the Customs Service was more efficient and equally likely to catch passengers carrying contraband while reducing the number of innocent people who were subjected to the indignity of a search by three-quarters.



In addition to evidence concerning the ineffectiveness of racial profiling, it is also a practice that is logically flawed. Experts point out that even if certain crimes are mostly committed by members of a particular group, it does not mean that a particular person from that group is more likely to have committed a crime. And, even if more crime is committed by a certain group that make up a small percentage of the population, it is still more likely that any given crime will have been committed by someone belonging to the majority group.



In any event, statistics suggesting that a particular group commits a disproportionate amount of crime can often be skewed because of racial profiling itself. If a particular group is stopped more often, even if they are committing less crime than the rest of the population, the fact that they are scrutinized more frequently will result in higher charge rates. This then becomes the justification for profiling. Some scholars therefore argue that, at the end of the day, statistics do not tell the offending behaviour of different races, but rather they measure the actions of the entity engaging in profiling.



Therefore, there is significant evidence that racial profiling is neither an efficient nor an effective practice. And, the discussion that follows shows that racial profiling comes with a huge price tag to individuals, families and communities while negatively impacting the very institutions that practice it.



//http://www.ohrc.on.ca/en/paying-price-human-cost-racial-profiling/racial-profiling-doesnt-work

Quote from: "Romero"Whoa, what the? This isn't about demonizing kids or anyone.



You agree there's white privilege. Why not discuss it?



"I can't believe an old white guy is actually lecturing me about "white privilege. You've got some fucking nerve!!"



That's racist. I demand an apology.

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Quote from: "Renee"

Quote from: "Real Woman"Romero, think about it on the flip for just one second.  Say they had a workshop called "Racial Profiling: Black People Really Do Commit A Lot of Crimes".  Would you support that as a "different aspect" from which to discuss the problems within profiling?  I mean, they could be talking about the underlying socio-economic issues that could cause racial profiling.



Helpful or not helpful?

I doubt Romero wants to discuss the socioeconomic reasons that cause racial profiling. We've had similar discussions like this before and all he does is deny any culpability on the part of blacks and he tries to shuffle the black communities cultural problems under the rug.



Be my guest if you think you can get anything out of him other than the tired old "blame whitey" garbage that has been burned into his brain.

I'm not even really discussing that.  I am asking if he would support a similarly worded seminar if it related to a different racial issue and that racial issue didn't include whites in the title.

Quote from: "Real Woman"Care to answer my post Ro?

Quote from: "Real Woman"Romero, think about it on the flip for just one second.  Say they had a workshop called "Racial Profiling: Black People Really Do Commit A Lot of Crimes".  Would you support that as a "different aspect" from which to discuss the problems within profiling?  I mean, they could be talking about the underlying socio-economic issues that could cause racial profiling.



Helpful or not helpful?

Quote from: "Shen Li"You raise a good point here RW. Romero thinks white privilege exists because all cops single out minorities for nasty treatment.

Quote from: "Romero"

Quote from: "Shen Li"You raise a good point here RW. Romero thinks white privilege exists because all cops single out minorities for nasty treatment.

I said those were the extreme examples. I've also mentioned minorities having to deal with racism, maybe less likely to get a job or apartment, being made to feel unwelcome at businesses...

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Quote from: "Real Woman"Care to answer my post Ro?

Oh right, sure!

Quote from: "Real Woman"Romero, think about it on the flip for just one second.  Say they had a workshop called "Racial Profiling: Black People Really Do Commit A Lot of Crimes".  Would you support that as a "different aspect" from which to discuss the problems within profiling?  I mean, they could be talking about the underlying socio-economic issues that could cause racial profiling.



Helpful or not helpful?

How is that the flip side? They're just discussing white privilege, not accusing whites of committing any crimes.



Educators already often discuss racial and socioeconomic issues. I'm quite sure racial profiling has been talked about plenty.

Quote from: "Romero"

Quote from: "Shen Li"You raise a good point here RW. Romero thinks white privilege exists because all cops single out minorities for nasty treatment.

I said those were the extreme examples. I've also mentioned minorities having to deal with racism, maybe less likely to get a job or apartment, being made to feel unwelcome at businesses...

Quote from: "Real Woman"

Quote from: "Romero"

Quote from: "Real Woman"Care to answer my post Ro?

Oh right, sure!

Quote from: "Real Woman"Romero, think about it on the flip for just one second.  Say they had a workshop called "Racial Profiling: Black People Really Do Commit A Lot of Crimes".  Would you support that as a "different aspect" from which to discuss the problems within profiling?  I mean, they could be talking about the underlying socio-economic issues that could cause racial profiling.



Helpful or not helpful?

How is that the flip side? They're just discussing white privilege, not accusing whites of committing any crimes.



Educators already often discuss racial and socioeconomic issues. I'm quite sure racial profiling has been talked about plenty.

Ro, you are missing the point.  Would you put up with it if a group was wording a "black" issue the same way?



I think the answer is no.

QuoteSo racism = white privilege?

Quote from: "Real Woman"I just think if the PC crowd wants to place PC games they should be a little more PC.

Quote from: "Real Woman"So racism = white privilege?

Quote from: "Shen Li"I have no problem with adults discussing this or anything else. What I have a problem with is bringing this divisive shit into a classroom full of kiddies.



Just so you know RW, I do believe there is white privilege. I don't think it is some sinister plot to keep minorities down, but as subtle as it is, I believe it is there. It wasn't any of the example Romero gave and in fact it may be all in my own mind. The way I believe it exists has no definitive way to measure it.

Quote from: "Romero"

Quote from: "Shen Li"I have no problem with adults discussing this or anything else. What I have a problem with is bringing this divisive shit into a classroom full of kiddies.



Just so you know RW, I do believe there is white privilege. I don't think it is some sinister plot to keep minorities down, but as subtle as it is, I believe it is there. It wasn't any of the examples Romero gave and in fact it may be all in my own mind. The way I believe it exists has no definitive way to measure it.

They're not bringing it into the classroom. They're just discussing it like they do with other issues.

Quote from: "Romero"

Quote from: "Real Woman"So racism = white privilege?

No, an example of white privilege would be the fact that whites don't have to deal with the racism that non-whites often encounter. Or not being discriminated against when applying for a job or shopping at a store. It could be considered being privileged.

Quote from: "Romero"Not the way you're thinking it. They're not going to make anyone feel guilty or demonize little girls.



It could be a topic for older students when discussing racial issues.



They're just having a workshop on it. They're not setting it as some agenda.

Quote from: "Real Woman"I've been discriminated against when applying for a job and shopping at a store.  Am I now no longer "white privileged"?

Quote from: "Real Woman"Yes and does it need to happen all the time?



I've faced barriers as a woman as well.  Do I live in a world of male privilege too?

QuoteOf course, if Blizzard or Sun TV bothered to do a simple fact check before freaking out and making declarations about imaginary race wars breaking out in Ontario's grade school classrooms, they'd realize initiatives like these are really about making schools more inclusive and reducing barriers to academic success for tens of thousands of students.



The workshop in question is a voluntary service offered to ETFO locals as a part of its Equity and Women's Services. The program provides educators with resources and best-practices on dealing with issues relating to human rights, disabilities, violence against women, or discrimination towards GLBTQ and Muslim communities, issues that -- surprise, surprise -- some teachers in some schools in some communities in Ontario might encounter everyday in their classrooms.



Rather than encouraging elementary school teachers to chase white people out into the woods with pitchforks, the workshop, titled "re-thinking white privilege," is meant to encourage "dialogue and courageous conversations about white privilege and other professional forms of privilege."



Because, you know, just a wild guess here: maybe some teachers encounter issues of racial inequality in their day-to-day exchanges with students and parents?



So, despite what you may have read in the Toronto Sun or heard on Sun TV, you can relax: programs like these promote inclusion, not race wars.



//http://www.pressprogress.ca/en/post/four-white-people-sun-tv-explain-myth-white-privilege-person-who-isnt-white

Quote from: "Real Woman"Did you need a news article to tell you that Ro?

Quote from: "Real Woman"Missed point is missed.  Ah well.

Quote from: "Romero"

QuoteOf course, if Blizzard or Sun TV bothered to do a simple fact check before freaking out and making declarations about imaginary race wars breaking out in Ontario's grade school classrooms, they'd realize initiatives like these are really about making schools more inclusive and reducing barriers to academic success for tens of thousands of students.



The workshop in question is a voluntary service offered to ETFO locals as a part of its Equity and Women's Services. The program provides educators with resources and best-practices on dealing with issues relating to human rights, disabilities, violence against women, or discrimination towards GLBTQ and Muslim communities, issues that -- surprise, surprise -- some teachers in some schools in some communities in Ontario might encounter everyday in their classrooms.



Rather than encouraging elementary school teachers to chase white people out into the woods with pitchforks, the workshop, titled "re-thinking white privilege," is meant to encourage "dialogue and courageous conversations about white privilege and other professional forms of privilege."



Because, you know, just a wild guess here: maybe some teachers encounter issues of racial inequality in their day-to-day exchanges with students and parents?



So, despite what you may have read in the Toronto Sun or heard on Sun TV, you can relax: programs like these promote inclusion, not race wars.



//http://www.pressprogress.ca/en/post/four-white-people-sun-tv-explain-myth-white-privilege-person-who-isnt-white

Oh noes! They're going to be discussing women and gays too! The horror!

QuoteWhat are the social and legal conditions that have led to the murder of more than 1,000 aboriginal women in the past 35 years?



A chorus of lawyers and bureaucrats have demanded a public inquiry into the question. An alternative would be to just listen to the case heard by the Supreme Court this week, R. v. Clifford Kokopenace.



Seven years ago, Kokopenace killed an aboriginal man named Taylor Assin, with a single stab wound from a knife. He was convicted of manslaughter.



He's a killer. He killed an aboriginal. But he's not in jail.



Which is not surprising - certainly not to Kokopenace. He has had a life of crime, and no one puts him in jail for long. He was a young offender. And then an adult criminal, with 12 violent convictions. All before he killed Taylor Assin.



It was just a matter of time before he killed someone.



In 2008, he was sentenced to seven-and-a-half years for this homicide. But he was given two-for-one credit for the time he was held in custody before his trial -- that lopped off more than two and a half years. So, he faced a sentence of five years. But of course this is Canada. We have mandatory release after a fraction of the sentence. And parole. And day parole.



Is that how little an aboriginal victim's life is worth?



Where do your sympathies lie? Do they lie with missing and murdered aboriginal people, like Taylor Assin? Or are they with Taylor Assin's killer?



Do you think it's a good idea to dump Kokopenace back into the community that he has been terrorizing for more than two decades?



The court obviously did, with their absurdly low sentence. The sentence sent a clear message: an aboriginal murder victim's life is worth less than a white murder victim's life.



But it gets crazier. Kokopenace, has appealed his sentence. He says it was unfair. It was too harsh. Because, you see, Kokopenace is aboriginal himself.



And he claims the trial wasn't fair because aboriginals were underrepresented in the jury pool.



One of the lawyers on appeal is Katherine Hensel, who is acting for the Advocates' Society as amicus. She's an activist for missing and murdered aboriginal women - she participated in British Columbia's inquiry into the subject.



So she's a highly paid lawyer, trying to figure out who's killing aboriginal people in this country. At the same time as she's trying to get a killer and serial assaulter of aboriginal people off the hook.



Incredibly, the Ontario Court of Appeal agreed with the grounds for appeal - they said the jury pool didn't have enough aboriginal people in it, so that was racist.



As if aboriginals can only be judged by aboriginals, white by whites, blacks by blacks, men by men, and women by women.



As proof of this discrimination, the court of appeal noted that about half of people off reserve ignore letters about being on a jury. But 90% of on-reserve Indians do. Despite constant efforts by the government to recruit them.



So obviously, the system is racist. And a killer shouldn't have been convicted, because his trial was obviously racist.



Racist, racist, racist. We're all racist. Except for the one guy who actually murdered an Indian - Clifford Kokopenace.



He's been dumped back into his community, after his 13th time. It won't be the last.

http://www.edmontonsun.com/2014/10/06/justice-system-is-racist

Quote from: "Fashionista"The Ontario elementary teacher's must have known how offended some people would become because of a workshop with white privilege as a theme..



I feel they did not want this workshop to become public knowledge.

QuoteAddressing Islamophobia: A Discussion for Educators



Islamophobia is prejudice against, hatred or fear of Islam or Muslims. This workshop is to build awareness relating to issues of Islamophobia and

critically examine personal and professional biases, explore resources to meet the diverse needs of schools, representing a multiplicity of perspectives and

to encourage members to take further actions relating to inclusion within their classrooms, schools, families and communities.

QuoteSun News continued on its slow descent into a complete parody of itself with a "debate" about white privilege featuring four white people and one person of colour.



Author and broadcaster Tarek Fatah, born in Pakistan, started off the conversation with the simple question of whether or not white privilege exists.



Aside from brushing off white privilege as a "fluffy academic term," the other panelists try to debunk the concept of white privilege with such asinine examples as Chinese restaurants primarily staffed by Chinese workers.



"Isn't that the same thing?" asks host Jerry Agar. (It's not.)



Pundit J.J. McCullough also asserted that Muslims and woman have privilege because, when they encounter discrimination, McCullough believes they are more likely to gain sympathy — as if sympathy is the same as navigating the world free of oppression.



Which sounds like a good thing for teachers to work on, right? Unfortunately, like the columnist, most of the Sun News panel seemed to find this sort of talk divisive because it points out our differences. Problem is, those not among the most privileged don't get to ignore our differences because they live with them every day.



Perhaps it would be naive to expect a nuanced, intelligent conversation on racial politics from Sun News, but the concept of white privilege is one worth discussing. It's a term that acknowledges that the colour of our skin has an affect on how we experience the world and, in our society, those white white skin are afforded the most leeway. That doesn't mean white people don't face hardships or get a free ride, it just means that an undeniable history of racism and oppression has yet to evaporate.



//http://o.canada.com/news/white-people-explain-white-privilege-to-tarek-fatah-on-sun-news-525382

Quote from: "Romero"That doesn't make sense. Our you saying white people built our society?

Quote from: "Romero"

QuoteSun News continued on its slow descent into a complete parody of itself with a "debate" about white privilege featuring four white people and one person of colour.



Author and broadcaster Tarek Fatah, born in Pakistan, started off the conversation with the simple question of whether or not white privilege exists.



Aside from brushing off white privilege as a "fluffy academic term," the other panelists try to debunk the concept of white privilege with such asinine examples as Chinese restaurants primarily staffed by Chinese workers.



"Isn't that the same thing?" asks host Jerry Agar. (It's not.)



Pundit J.J. McCullough also asserted that Muslims and woman have privilege because, when they encounter discrimination, McCullough believes they are more likely to gain sympathy — as if sympathy is the same as navigating the world free of oppression.



Which sounds like a good thing for teachers to work on, right? Unfortunately, like the columnist, most of the Sun News panel seemed to find this sort of talk divisive because it points out our differences. Problem is, those not among the most privileged don't get to ignore our differences because they live with them every day.



Perhaps it would be naive to expect a nuanced, intelligent conversation on racial politics from Sun News, but the concept of white privilege is one worth discussing. It's a term that acknowledges that the colour of our skin has an affect on how we experience the world and, in our society, those white white skin are afforded the most leeway. That doesn't mean white people don't face hardships or get a free ride, it just means that an undeniable history of racism and oppression has yet to evaporate.



//http://o.canada.com/news/white-people-explain-white-privilege-to-tarek-fatah-on-sun-news-525382

QuoteThere's really no need to publicize any of the many workshops they have and there's no reason to hide it. I'm sure they're fine with it being public knowledge. It's a worthy discussion. The info for the workshop is here:

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QuoteAddressing Islamophobia: A Discussion for Educators

Islamophobia is prejudice against, hatred or fear of Islam or Muslims. This workshop is to build awareness relating to issues of Islamophobia and

critically examine personal and professional biases, explore resources to meet the diverse needs of schools, representing a multiplicity of perspectives and

to encourage members to take further actions relating to inclusion within their classrooms, schools, families and communities.