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Title: Irony....or the results of busybodies in action
Post by: Obvious Li on October 15, 2014, 05:34:29 AM
Irony

n, pl -nies

1. the humorous or mildly sarcastic use of words to imply the opposite of what they normally mean

2. an instance of this, used to draw attention to some incongruity or irrationality

3. incongruity between what is expected to be and what actually is, or a situation or result showing such incongruity







Warning issued as 31 people overdose in Vancouver's supervised injection site

 


Toxic heroin is to blame

 


THE CANADIAN PRESS October 14, 2014

 

VANCOUVER - Toxic heroin caused 31 overdoses in two days at Vancouver's safe injection site — believed to be a record for the facility that opened 11 years ago.



Gavin Wilson, a spokesman for Vancouver Coastal Health, said 15 people overdosed at Insite on Monday and 16 overdosed on Sunday.



He said 13 people overdosed at the facility on one day several years ago.



Wilson said contaminated heroin this year has caused 10 to 12 overdoses a week at Insite, where users inject their own drugs under the watchful eyes of a nurse who can intervene when someone is in trouble.



"This year, we've been seeing about 10 to 12 overdoses a week and that has been sort of historically high when it's that much," said Wilson. "And when you're seeing 16 overdoses a day that is cause for concern, certainly."



Wilson said medical staff at Insite provide oxygen to people experiencing the initial signs of an overdose. If a user goes into respiratory arrest, a drug called naloxone is administered to reverse an overdose, he said.



The health authority is trying to inform users about the bad heroin on the streets through community workers and posters at Insite.



Vancouver police issued a warning to drug users on Sunday.
Title: Re: Irony....or the results of busybodies in action
Post by: Obvious Li on October 15, 2014, 05:49:59 AM
brought to you by mayor moonbeam and the bike lane brigade...... ac_beating
Title: Re: Irony....or the results of busybodies in action
Post by: Anonymous on October 15, 2014, 09:54:10 AM
Quote from: "Obvious Li"Irony

n, pl -nies

1. the humorous or mildly sarcastic use of words to imply the opposite of what they normally mean

2. an instance of this, used to draw attention to some incongruity or irrationality

3. incongruity between what is expected to be and what actually is, or a situation or result showing such incongruity







Warning issued as 31 people overdose in Vancouver's supervised injection site

 


Toxic heroin is to blame

 


THE CANADIAN PRESS October 14, 2014

 

VANCOUVER - Toxic heroin caused 31 overdoses in two days at Vancouver's safe injection site — believed to be a record for the facility that opened 11 years ago.



Gavin Wilson, a spokesman for Vancouver Coastal Health, said 15 people overdosed at Insite on Monday and 16 overdosed on Sunday.



He said 13 people overdosed at the facility on one day several years ago.



Wilson said contaminated heroin this year has caused 10 to 12 overdoses a week at Insite, where users inject their own drugs under the watchful eyes of a nurse who can intervene when someone is in trouble.



"This year, we've been seeing about 10 to 12 overdoses a week and that has been sort of historically high when it's that much," said Wilson. "And when you're seeing 16 overdoses a day that is cause for concern, certainly."



Wilson said medical staff at Insite provide oxygen to people experiencing the initial signs of an overdose. If a user goes into respiratory arrest, a drug called naloxone is administered to reverse an overdose, he said.



The health authority is trying to inform users about the bad heroin on the streets through community workers and posters at Insite.



Vancouver police issued a warning to drug users on Sunday.

How terrible Obvious Li.

 ac_crying
Title: Re: Irony....or the results of busybodies in action
Post by: Big Wave Dave on October 15, 2014, 11:13:00 AM
Quote from: "Fashionista"
Quote from: "Obvious Li"Irony

n, pl -nies

1. the humorous or mildly sarcastic use of words to imply the opposite of what they normally mean

2. an instance of this, used to draw attention to some incongruity or irrationality

3. incongruity between what is expected to be and what actually is, or a situation or result showing such incongruity







Warning issued as 31 people overdose in Vancouver's supervised injection site

 


Toxic heroin is to blame

 


THE CANADIAN PRESS October 14, 2014

 

VANCOUVER - Toxic heroin caused 31 overdoses in two days at Vancouver's safe injection site — believed to be a record for the facility that opened 11 years ago.



Gavin Wilson, a spokesman for Vancouver Coastal Health, said 15 people overdosed at Insite on Monday and 16 overdosed on Sunday.



He said 13 people overdosed at the facility on one day several years ago.



Wilson said contaminated heroin this year has caused 10 to 12 overdoses a week at Insite, where users inject their own drugs under the watchful eyes of a nurse who can intervene when someone is in trouble.



"This year, we've been seeing about 10 to 12 overdoses a week and that has been sort of historically high when it's that much," said Wilson. "And when you're seeing 16 overdoses a day that is cause for concern, certainly."



Wilson said medical staff at Insite provide oxygen to people experiencing the initial signs of an overdose. If a user goes into respiratory arrest, a drug called naloxone is administered to reverse an overdose, he said.



The health authority is trying to inform users about the bad heroin on the streets through community workers and posters at Insite.



Vancouver police issued a warning to drug users on Sunday.

How terrible Obvious Li.

 ac_crying

 ac_toofunny
Title: Re: Irony....or the results of busybodies in action
Post by: RW on October 15, 2014, 03:11:41 PM
Where is the irony?



Those people would still have had those drugs and received no medical help as a result.
Title: Re: Irony....or the results of busybodies in action
Post by: Obvious Li on October 15, 2014, 04:29:27 PM
Quote from: "Real Woman"Where is the irony?



Those people would still have had those drugs and received no medical help as a result.




i think you answered your own question...i like big waves answer best.... ac_dance
Title: Re: Irony....or the results of busybodies in action
Post by: Obvious Li on October 15, 2014, 04:57:29 PM
Quote from: "Fashionista"
Quote from: "Obvious Li"Irony

n, pl -nies

1. the humorous or mildly sarcastic use of words to imply the opposite of what they normally mean

2. an instance of this, used to draw attention to some incongruity or irrationality

3. incongruity between what is expected to be and what actually is, or a situation or result showing such incongruity







Warning issued as 31 people overdose in Vancouver's supervised injection site

 


Toxic heroin is to blame

 


THE CANADIAN PRESS October 14, 2014

 

VANCOUVER - Toxic heroin caused 31 overdoses in two days at Vancouver's safe injection site — believed to be a record for the facility that opened 11 years ago.



Gavin Wilson, a spokesman for Vancouver Coastal Health, said 15 people overdosed at Insite on Monday and 16 overdosed on Sunday.



He said 13 people overdosed at the facility on one day several years ago.



Wilson said contaminated heroin this year has caused 10 to 12 overdoses a week at Insite, where users inject their own drugs under the watchful eyes of a nurse who can intervene when someone is in trouble.



"This year, we've been seeing about 10 to 12 overdoses a week and that has been sort of historically high when it's that much," said Wilson. "And when you're seeing 16 overdoses a day that is cause for concern, certainly."



Wilson said medical staff at Insite provide oxygen to people experiencing the initial signs of an overdose. If a user goes into respiratory arrest, a drug called naloxone is administered to reverse an overdose, he said.



The health authority is trying to inform users about the bad heroin on the streets through community workers and posters at Insite.



Vancouver police issued a warning to drug users on Sunday.

How terrible Obvious Li.

 ac_crying




but entirely predictable.....there is no aspect of daily life the busybodies don't stick their noses into.......they decided it was a good thing to provide drug addicts with poison and a warm place to inject it......a really really good idea...i suspect the next big thing will be gay kiddie diddling sites with NAMBLA providing oversite...... acc_devil  ac_lmfao
Title: Re: Irony....or the results of busybodies in action
Post by: RW on October 15, 2014, 06:22:33 PM
From drug injecting to kiddie diddling.  Nice Munday.



They don't provide them with drugs BTW.  They bring their own.  



If you are going to crap on something, can you please at least read your own article first?
Title: Re: Irony....or the results of busybodies in action
Post by: Obvious Li on October 15, 2014, 09:16:45 PM
Quote from: "Real Woman"From drug injecting to kiddie diddling.  Nice Munday.



They don't provide them with drugs BTW.  They bring their own.  



If you are going to crap on something, can you please at least read your own article first?




the drug addiction/kiddie diddling connection is there.....our drugs...their drugs.....no matter......it's a stupid idea.....i read the article......we are paying for health care professionals, and others, to be on standby while drug addicts ply their state sponsored trade.....how did we ever arrive at this fucking point as a society.. ac_wot
Title: Re: Irony....or the results of busybodies in action
Post by: Anonymous on October 15, 2014, 09:47:45 PM
Quote from: "Obvious Li"Irony

n, pl -nies

1. the humorous or mildly sarcastic use of words to imply the opposite of what they normally mean

2. an instance of this, used to draw attention to some incongruity or irrationality

3. incongruity between what is expected to be and what actually is, or a situation or result showing such incongruity







Warning issued as 31 people overdose in Vancouver's supervised injection site

 


Toxic heroin is to blame

 


THE CANADIAN PRESS October 14, 2014

 

VANCOUVER - Toxic heroin caused 31 overdoses in two days at Vancouver's safe injection site — believed to be a record for the facility that opened 11 years ago.



Gavin Wilson, a spokesman for Vancouver Coastal Health, said 15 people overdosed at Insite on Monday and 16 overdosed on Sunday.



He said 13 people overdosed at the facility on one day several years ago.



Wilson said contaminated heroin this year has caused 10 to 12 overdoses a week at Insite, where users inject their own drugs under the watchful eyes of a nurse who can intervene when someone is in trouble.



"This year, we've been seeing about 10 to 12 overdoses a week and that has been sort of historically high when it's that much," said Wilson. "And when you're seeing 16 overdoses a day that is cause for concern, certainly."



Wilson said medical staff at Insite provide oxygen to people experiencing the initial signs of an overdose. If a user goes into respiratory arrest, a drug called naloxone is administered to reverse an overdose, he said.



The health authority is trying to inform users about the bad heroin on the streets through community workers and posters at Insite.



Vancouver police issued a warning to drug users on Sunday.

I hope everyone of those junkies who overdosed dies.  ac_drinks
Title: Re: Irony....or the results of busybodies in action
Post by: Romero on October 15, 2014, 10:01:49 PM
No overdose deaths at Insite yet. That's part of the plan.


QuoteThe site has been the focus of more than thirty studies, published in 15 peer-reviewed journals. The research indicates an array of benefits, including reductions in public injecting and syringe sharing and increases in the use of detoxification services and addiction treatment among patients. Preliminary observations published in 2004 in the journal Harm Reduction indicate that the site successfully attracted injecting drug users and thus decreased public drug use.



Additional research in the Canadian Medical Association Journal suggests that the site has reduced public injections, neighbourhood litter, and needle sharing. Two studies in the journal Addiction and in the New England Journal of Medicine indicate that patients at the site have increased their use of detoxification services and long-term addiction treatment. Furthermore, research in The Lancet indicates that the site substantially reduces the sharing of syringes.



A 2008 cost-benefit analysis of the site in the Canadian Medical Association Journal observed net-savings of $18 million and an increase of 1175 life-years over ten years. Another cost-benefit analysis published in the International Journal of Drug Policy in 2010 determined that the site prevents 35 cases of HIV and about 3 deaths per year, indicating a yearly net-societal benefit of more than $6 million. A 2011 study in The Lancet found overdose deaths have dropped 35% in the Insite area since it opened, much more than 9% drop elsewhere in Vancouver. An editorial in the Canadian Medical Association Journal noted that after three years of research "a remarkable consensus that the facility reduces harm to users and the public developed among scientists, criminologists, and even the Vancouver Police Department."



//http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insite

It's easy to wish that the problem would just go away but it's not going to.



Insite saves lives, money and resources. Without it, there is much more pressure on policing and health care. The amount it saves from needle sharers not spreading disease is worth it alone.
Title: Re: Irony....or the results of busybodies in action
Post by: Obvious Li on October 15, 2014, 10:04:47 PM
Quote from: "Shen Li"
Quote from: "Obvious Li"Irony

n, pl -nies

1. the humorous or mildly sarcastic use of words to imply the opposite of what they normally mean

2. an instance of this, used to draw attention to some incongruity or irrationality

3. incongruity between what is expected to be and what actually is, or a situation or result showing such incongruity







Warning issued as 31 people overdose in Vancouver's supervised injection site

 


Toxic heroin is to blame

 


THE CANADIAN PRESS October 14, 2014

 

VANCOUVER - Toxic heroin caused 31 overdoses in two days at Vancouver's safe injection site — believed to be a record for the facility that opened 11 years ago.



Gavin Wilson, a spokesman for Vancouver Coastal Health, said 15 people overdosed at Insite on Monday and 16 overdosed on Sunday.



He said 13 people overdosed at the facility on one day several years ago.



Wilson said contaminated heroin this year has caused 10 to 12 overdoses a week at Insite, where users inject their own drugs under the watchful eyes of a nurse who can intervene when someone is in trouble.



"This year, we've been seeing about 10 to 12 overdoses a week and that has been sort of historically high when it's that much," said Wilson. "And when you're seeing 16 overdoses a day that is cause for concern, certainly."



Wilson said medical staff at Insite provide oxygen to people experiencing the initial signs of an overdose. If a user goes into respiratory arrest, a drug called naloxone is administered to reverse an overdose, he said.



The health authority is trying to inform users about the bad heroin on the streets through community workers and posters at Insite.



Vancouver police issued a warning to drug users on Sunday.

I hope everyone of those junkies who overdosed dies.  ac_drinks






oh hell no....we supply professional health care providers as well for these shit rats...we let them overdose and then spend valuable health care dollars bringing them around so they can inject drugs in their system ASAP...i suspect they have ambulances on standby tied up as well
Title: Re: Irony....or the results of busybodies in action
Post by: Anonymous on October 15, 2014, 10:06:14 PM
Quote from: "Romero"No overdose deaths at Insite yet.

That's a shame, but hey, there's always tomorrow.
Title: Re: Irony....or the results of busybodies in action
Post by: Anonymous on October 15, 2014, 10:25:31 PM
The government should provide taxpayer-funded hotel/motel rooms for anyone who has been drinking or at the very least, free taxis. Let's face it, even though impaired driving is against the law, that policy just isn't working. We all know you can't force all the people who drink and drive to change ....they have to want it.
Title: Re: Irony....or the results of busybodies in action
Post by: Anonymous on October 16, 2014, 12:18:56 AM
Quote from: "Shen Li"The government should provide taxpayer-funded hotel/motel rooms for anyone who has been drinking or at the very least, free taxis. Let's face it, even though impaired driving is against the law, that policy just isn't working. We all know you can't force all the people who drink and drive to change ....they have to want it.

You are comparing apples to oranges. If heroin addicts were shooting up and then getting behind the wheel it would be a fair comparison.



Insite appears in peer-reviewed studies, but that does not mean it is free from error. If an article appears in a journal and is said to have been "peer-reviewed" it does not mean that the person reviewing the work has reconstructed all experiments to make sure everything is as claimed. The system of peer review can be just as biased, misleading, incomplete or just plain wrong. Journalists seem to see peer-review as a divine creed.
Title: Re: Irony....or the results of busybodies in action
Post by: Obvious Li on October 16, 2014, 04:46:46 AM
Quote from: "seoulbro"
Quote from: "Shen Li"The government should provide taxpayer-funded hotel/motel rooms for anyone who has been drinking or at the very least, free taxis. Let's face it, even though impaired driving is against the law, that policy just isn't working. We all know you can't force all the people who drink and drive to change ....they have to want it.

You are comparing apples to oranges. If heroin addicts were shooting up and then getting behind the wheel it would be a fair comparison.



Insite appears in peer-reviewed studies, but that does not mean it is free from error. If an article appears in a journal and is said to have been "peer-reviewed" it does not mean that the person reviewing the work has reconstructed all experiments to make sure everything is as claimed. The system of peer review can be just as biased, misleading, incomplete or just plain wrong. Journalists seem to see peer-review as a divine creed.




bro......WTF are you talking about..........the issue is whether the state should sanction criminal activity or not...and if it is ok to sanction one type of criminal activity them why not all criminal activity....you see, SL wants the govt. to provide a taxi home for her or free accommodations after she has been drinking....because when she drinks she cannot be held accountable for her actions and is therefore not guilty of any crime that may result from her drinking......according to govt. logic they should agree......apples to fucking apples  ac_beating
Title: Re: Irony....or the results of busybodies in action
Post by: Anonymous on October 16, 2014, 11:25:53 AM
InSite allows people to enter a government backed facility and use street drugs that they have purchased on the street, drugs that could have anything mixed in, and shoot those illegal drugs into their veins. The addict then leaves the facility and heads back out on the street.



Do they get their next fix there? Some might, some won't and others will share dirty needles elsewhere in the city. This isn't a completely controlled environment and at the end of the day these are street drugs we are allowing people to shoot.



This is not treatment, it is enabling a bunch of addicts.
Title: Re: Irony....or the results of busybodies in action
Post by: ghost on October 17, 2014, 03:31:37 AM
Quote from: "Shen Li"
I hope everyone of those junkies who overdosed dies.  ac_drinks


My little 22 year old second cousin is a junkie.



She's schizophrenic. Sadly, the system has failed her. She's never gotten the help she so desperately needs.
Title: Re: Irony....or the results of busybodies in action
Post by: Anonymous on October 17, 2014, 09:12:11 AM
Quote from: "ghost"
Quote from: "Shen Li"
I hope everyone of those junkies who overdosed dies.  ac_drinks


My little 22 year old second cousin is a junkie.



She's schizophrenic. Sadly, the system has failed her. She's never gotten the help she so desperately needs.

That is terrible ghost.

  ac_crying

I could only imagine the pain her loved ones must feel not to mention the worry..



I pray some kind soul with the knowledge and resources will intervene on her behalf.
Title: Re: Irony....or the results of busybodies in action
Post by: ghost on October 17, 2014, 02:12:33 PM
Quote from: "Fashionista"


I pray some kind soul with the knowledge and resources will intervene on her behalf.


It upsets me when people make comments about junkies as if they're not human.



I took my little cousin trick or treating when she was little. I took her to dance classes. We used to dress up and play Spice Girls.



She's been troubled ever since she was little. She has violent tendencies, heard voices, and had no concept of reality. She once asked me why girls loved Leonardo Dicaprio so much because he drowned on the Titanic. She can't distinguish real life from fantasy.



For the past four years, she's been part of a government sponsorship. They provide housing, meals, basically giving her a place to live that's off the streets. During this time, she had a baby whom my cousin is now raising. Thankfully, she did manage to get off the drugs through most of the pregnancy and the baby seems healthy so far.



So yes, government programs have helped keep her off the streets. Sadly, it's minimal help and she needs more.



She was picked up a month ago, wandering through UBC, screaming about voices and people trying to kill her. She's been finally admitted into the hospital where she's been receiving proper treatment for the first time in her life. We are all being hopeful.
Title: Re: Irony....or the results of busybodies in action
Post by: Anonymous on October 17, 2014, 02:47:30 PM
Sorry for your family's pain ghost, but unlike Gene Simmons, I stand by my comments.
QuoteSimmons advises people suffering from depression and drug addiction to commit suicide



Kiss bass player said he had no time for 'anybody who's a drug addict and has a dark cloud over their heads'

He trivializes people suffering mental illness by saying they have no idea what a harsh life is, unlike his Holocaust survivor grandmother.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2726251/Have-dignity-jump-Gene-Simmons-advises-people-suffering-depression-drug-addiction-commit-suicide.html

He has since apologized, but hey, I am not a celebutard....I am free to speak my mind without feeling pressured to recant.
Title: Re: Irony....or the results of busybodies in action
Post by: Romero on October 17, 2014, 05:56:54 PM
It's been a major flaw in Obvious and Shen Li's logic and character. They are incapable of understanding something unless it affects them.



Drug addicts don't choose to be drug addicts. The homeless don't choose to be homeless and the mentally ill don't choose to be mentally ill. Especially among Vancouver's Downtown Eastside, many have suffered and are suffering from abuse and mental illness through no fault of their own. It's easy to say they shouldn't be addicted to drugs, yet there are millions of average North Americans abusing prescription drugs.



Imagine if a family member or friend was suffering from depression or mental illness and became addicted to drugs. It can happen to anyone because it does happen. Now imagine if a health professional told them "I hope you die".



You'd be disgusted and sickened by your very own words.
Title: Re: Irony....or the results of busybodies in action
Post by: Anonymous on October 17, 2014, 06:00:25 PM
Quote from: "Romero"It's been a major flaw in Obvious and Shen Li's logic and character. They are incapable of understanding something unless it affects them.



Drug addicts don't choose to be drug addicts. The homeless don't choose to be homeless and the mentally ill don't choose to be mentally ill. Especially among Vancouver's Downtown Eastside, many have suffered and are suffering from abuse and mental illness through no fault of their own. It's easy to say they shouldn't be addicted to drugs, yet there are millions of average North Americans abusing prescription drugs.



Imagine if a family member or friend was suffering from depression or mental illness and became addicted to drugs. It can happen to anyone because it does happen. Now imagine if a health professional told them "I hope you die".



You'd be disgusted and sickened by your very own words.

If a person wants to smoke poison or stick it in their fucking veins that is their business. When I am forced to pay for their poison, that is mine.
Title: Re: Irony....or the results of busybodies in action
Post by: Romero on October 17, 2014, 06:06:54 PM
Insite doesn't provide drugs. Funding provides harm reduction and treatment. Insite is saving taxpayer money.
Title: Re: Irony....or the results of busybodies in action
Post by: Obvious Li on October 17, 2014, 06:38:10 PM
Quote from: "Romero"It's been a major flaw in Obvious and Shen Li's logic and character. They are incapable of understanding something unless it affects them.



Drug addicts don't choose to be drug addicts. The homeless don't choose to be homeless and the mentally ill don't choose to be mentally ill. Especially among Vancouver's Downtown Eastside, many have suffered and are suffering from abuse and mental illness through no fault of their own. It's easy to say they shouldn't be addicted to drugs, yet there are millions of average North Americans abusing prescription drugs.



Imagine if a family member or friend was suffering from depression or mental illness and became addicted to drugs. It can happen to anyone because it does happen. Now imagine if a health professional told them "I hope you die".



You'd be disgusted and sickened by your very own words.




sorry homy.....wrong again.......all those issues you mentioned should be handled within the family.....the state has no business stealing my tax dollars to give to some drug dealer of schizo....if the family is unwilling or unable then i guess it's tough shit.....we had state nuthouses up until 20 years ago....but you progressives closed them all down...proud of yourselves now homy
Title: Re: Irony....or the results of busybodies in action
Post by: ghost on October 17, 2014, 07:28:54 PM
Quote from: "Obvious Li"




sorry homy.....wrong again.......all those issues you mentioned should be handled within the family.....the state has no business stealing my tax dollars to give to some drug dealer of schizo....if the family is unwilling or unable then i guess it's tough shit.....we had state nuthouses up until 20 years ago....but you progressives closed them all down...proud of yourselves now homy


How are families responsible for full grown adults? What about people who don't have families?



Mental illness is a disease. It's a chemical imbalance in the brain, no different than say diabetes or heart disease.



There's a reason why the majority of psychiatric hospitals closed down in the 60's and 70's. It was because of the cruelty and useless treatment methods. Just like how the mentally challenged people are no longer put in hospitals, neither are mentally ill. These people don't need to be locked away. They need treatment and a place to live. That's where the funding falls short.
Title: Re: Irony....or the results of busybodies in action
Post by: Romero on October 17, 2014, 08:21:38 PM
Quote from: "Obvious Li"sorry homy.....wrong again.......all those issues you mentioned should be handled within the family.....the state has no business stealing my tax dollars to give to some drug dealer of schizo....if the family is unwilling or unable then i guess it's tough shit.....we had state nuthouses up until 20 years ago....but you progressives closed them all down...proud of yourselves now homy

Yep, incapable of understanding unless it affects them.



Family support can be great but it can't work alone. Telling the addicted or mentally ill not to be addicted or mentally ill is like telling people not to eat or breathe.



These people need medical and professional help. As I've shown, Insite saves taxpayer money. "Tough shit" costs more and uses more resources. Trying to sweep problems under the rug has never worked.



Most of those on the Downtown Eastside have no family to turn to. Thinking of the first thing that pops into your head isn't a solution.



Progressives didn't close down mental institutions. We're the ones who care about the mentally ill, unlike yourself. It's been both left and right wing governments. Governments deciding there's not enough money to look after those who need it the most. Let someone else deal with it. Just the way you like it!
Title: Re: Irony....or the results of busybodies in action
Post by: Obvious Li on October 17, 2014, 08:36:21 PM
Homy...some families/people just get dealt the short hand..that's life, tough as it is.....the state cannot cover for everyone who doesn't make the grade....at best they should provide a place to house and care for those less fortunate (which they did) and at worst it should be left up to the family to provide.....all life is part "luck of the draw" and a lot of "you make your own bed".......being your brothers keepers has limits.....no state can survive the costs of being everything to everyone.....not possible
Title: Re: Irony....or the results of busybodies in action
Post by: RW on October 17, 2014, 09:10:01 PM
Quote from: "Shen Li"
If a person wants to smoke poison or stick it in their fucking veins that is their business. When I am forced to pay for their poison, that is mine.

As stated, you aren't paying for their poison.  That said, because we have a universal health care system, every time a drug user gets sick, overdoses, gets AIDS, etc, it burdens our health system which I am sure costs us a lot more than a needle exchange.
Title: Re: Irony....or the results of busybodies in action
Post by: Romero on October 17, 2014, 09:15:45 PM
Quote from: "Obvious Li"Homy...some families/people just get dealt the short hand..that's life, tough as it is.....the state cannot cover for everyone who doesn't make the grade....at best they should provide a place to house and care for those less fortunate (which they did) and at worst it should be left up to the family to provide.....all life is part "luck of the draw" and a lot of "you make your own bed".......being your brothers keepers has limits.....no state can survive the costs of being everything to everyone.....not possible

We've tried allowing them to overdose and die in the streets. It was fail, and it cost more in money and resources.



Taking care of addictions and overdoses on site equals people getting help for their addictions and less pressure on health care and policing.



The state can't be everything for everyone but it's always best to mitigate problems. You may not care about drug addicts dying but you should at least understand that Insite does indeed save money and resources.
Title: Re: Irony....or the results of busybodies in action
Post by: Anonymous on October 17, 2014, 09:39:07 PM
Quote from: "Real Woman"
Quote from: "Shen Li"
If a person wants to smoke poison or stick it in their fucking veins that is their business. When I am forced to pay for their poison, that is mine.

As stated, you aren't paying for their poison.  That said, because we have a universal health care system, every time a drug user gets sick, overdoses, gets AIDS, etc, it burdens our health system which I am sure costs us a lot more than a needle exchange.

$500k/fucking year and I'm not fucking paying for it?? Not including how the parasites cost us in police/EMS care too just like you white occutards  .



Let those fucking animals give instead of take for once in their fucking diseased existences; we give them some great fucking high and in return they donate their useless bodies to medical research. Then the animals can be givers instead of a fucking burden to all of us. acc_angry
Title: Re: Irony....or the results of busybodies in action
Post by: Anonymous on October 18, 2014, 12:09:35 PM
Quote from: "Shen Li"
Quote from: "Real Woman"
Quote from: "Shen Li"
If a person wants to smoke poison or stick it in their fucking veins that is their business. When I am forced to pay for their poison, that is mine.

As stated, you aren't paying for their poison.  That said, because we have a universal health care system, every time a drug user gets sick, overdoses, gets AIDS, etc, it burdens our health system which I am sure costs us a lot more than a needle exchange.

$500k/fucking year and I'm not fucking paying for it?? Not including how the parasites cost us in police/EMS care too just like you white occutards  .



Let those fucking animals give instead of take for once in their fucking diseased existences; we give them some great fucking high and in return they donate their useless bodies to medical research. Then the animals can be givers instead of a fucking burden to all of us. acc_angry

It does not matter to me what this program in Vancouver costs..



If the result is extending the lives of people who are ill, cost should not be an issue..



What kind of society would we be if we did not care for people with lung cancer or heart disease because they smoked?



The people at insite are human beings and deserving of dignity.
Title: Re: Irony....or the results of busybodies in action
Post by: I Was Framed on October 18, 2014, 02:23:57 PM
Quote from: "Romero"It's been a major flaw in Obvious and Shen Li's logic and character. They are incapable of understanding something unless it affects them.



Drug addicts don't choose to be drug addicts. The homeless don't choose to be homeless and the mentally ill don't choose to be mentally ill. Especially among Vancouver's Downtown Eastside, many have suffered and are suffering from abuse and mental illness through no fault of their own. It's easy to say they shouldn't be addicted to drugs, yet there are millions of average North Americans abusing prescription drugs.



Imagine if a family member or friend was suffering from depression or mental illness and became addicted to drugs. It can happen to anyone because it does happen. Now imagine if a health professional told them "I hope you die".



You'd be disgusted and sickened by your very own words.

You fail to see what a compassionate soul Shen Li really is. ac_toofunny
Title: Re: Irony....or the results of busybodies in action
Post by: Anonymous on October 18, 2014, 06:03:54 PM
Quote from: "I Was Framed"
Quote from: "Romero"It's been a major flaw in Obvious and Shen Li's logic and character. They are incapable of understanding something unless it affects them.



Drug addicts don't choose to be drug addicts. The homeless don't choose to be homeless and the mentally ill don't choose to be mentally ill. Especially among Vancouver's Downtown Eastside, many have suffered and are suffering from abuse and mental illness through no fault of their own. It's easy to say they shouldn't be addicted to drugs, yet there are millions of average North Americans abusing prescription drugs.



Imagine if a family member or friend was suffering from depression or mental illness and became addicted to drugs. It can happen to anyone because it does happen. Now imagine if a health professional told them "I hope you die".



You'd be disgusted and sickened by your very own words.

You fail to see what a compassionate soul Shen Li really is. ac_toofunny

I do have fucking compassion for people that fucking want it. The most compassionate thing(not to mention economical) we can do is encourage these slimebags to fucking die!! If Insite is offering poison in their fucking heroin, I am all fucking for it!!