This is from the QMI agency. It's no surprise that Canadians are getting a little fed up with lone wolf terrorists. I suspect our tolerance for the intolerance of Islam is dropping too.
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MONTREAL — More than two-thirds of Canadians support revoking citizenship from Canadians who fight for foreign armies, a new poll suggests.
The Leger Marketing survey for the Canadian Institute for Identities and Migration was taken Oct. 27-30 and released to QMI Agency.
It was conducted one week after a Quebecer used a car to kill Warrant Officer Patrice Vincent south of Montreal on Oct. 20.
The attacker, Martin Couture-Rouleau, told QMI Agency his son expressed a desire to join Islamic State, the ultra-violent terror militia that has invaded large swaths of Iraq and Syria.
Two days after the Quebec attack, a second Canadian-born terrorist shot and killed Cpl. Nathan Cirillo at the National War Memorial in Ottawa.
Cirillo's killer, Michael Zehab-Bibeau, wanted to travel to Syria, the RCMP say, adding that his inability to get there might have been a motive in Cirillo's killing.
Sixty-nine per cent of Canadians said they believed "Canada should remove citizenship from Canadians that go abroad to fight with a foreign army."
People aged 18-24 (46%) were by far the least likely to agree.
Those most likely to support the move were Canadians 65 and older (84%) and Albertans (76%).
Prime Minister Stephen Harper announced on Oct. 1 that Canadian CF-18 jets would join the U.S.-led coalition against Islamic State.
Six days later, authorities said they were monitoring about 80 Canadians who had returned from terrorrelated trips abroad.
Just after the homegrown terror killings, 59% of Canadians said they support Canada's involvement in the military operation.
Demographer Jack Jedwab, whose group commissioned the survey, said there has been no change since the attacks in the percentage of Canadians willing to give up civil liberties at home.
"Despite the two shootings, I don't think we're seeing a panic," Jedwab said.
Okay, maybe cc will disagree or knows what I don't here, but I can't believe our intelligence is such that they don't know people who are participating in terrorist activities. Instantly chuck the fuckers on a plane and get them the fuck out of our country.
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I think it is the sleeper cell/lone wolf variety that might be the hardest to pinpoint. I could be wrong of course. I'll defer to CC on this one.
Islam is a slime religion created by a pedophile.
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Well fucking duh Oak.
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MONTREAL — More than two-thirds of Canadians support revoking citizenship from Canadians who fight for foreign armies, a new poll suggests.
The Leger Marketing survey for the Canadian Institute for Identities and Migration was taken Oct. 27-30 and released to QMI Agency.
It was conducted one week after a Quebecer used a car to kill Warrant Officer Patrice Vincent south of Montreal on Oct. 20.
The attacker, Martin Couture-Rouleau, told QMI Agency his son expressed a desire to join Islamic State, the ultra-violent terror militia that has invaded large swaths of Iraq and Syria.
Two days after the Quebec attack, a second Canadian-born terrorist shot and killed Cpl. Nathan Cirillo at the National War Memorial in Ottawa.
Cirillo's killer, Michael Zehab-Bibeau, wanted to travel to Syria, the RCMP say, adding that his inability to get there might have been a motive in Cirillo's killing.
Sixty-nine per cent of Canadians said they believed "Canada should remove citizenship from Canadians that go abroad to fight with a foreign army."
People aged 18-24 (46%) were by far the least likely to agree.
Those most likely to support the move were Canadians 65 and older (84%) and Albertans (76%).
Prime Minister Stephen Harper announced on Oct. 1 that Canadian CF-18 jets would join the U.S.-led coalition against Islamic State.
Six days later, authorities said they were monitoring about 80 Canadians who had returned from terrorrelated trips abroad.
Just after the homegrown terror killings, 59% of Canadians said they support Canada's involvement in the military operation.
Demographer Jack Jedwab, whose group commissioned the survey, said there has been no change since the attacks in the percentage of Canadians willing to give up civil liberties at home.
"Despite the two shootings, I don't think we're seeing a panic," Jedwab said.
Would that include Canadian born people who go to foreign countries to fight?
That would make them stateless.
Actually, it would not. To them, ISIS is far above mere "states" ..... a long dreamed of islamic caliphate that has no borders and honors no borders ... it just keeps growing and takes everything in its path into itself making islam supreme everywhere it is
They dream of ruling everywhere / consider themselves as ruling everywhere ... parliament in Canada recently.... hacking cops in NY last week ... a rival shiite in OZ today
The 47-year-old shooting victim, an Iraqi Shiite who is a leader at the centre, was shot in the face and shoulder as he was locking up the centre about 1.15am on Monday.
Jamal Daoud, a prominent member of Sydney's Shiite community, said a group of "extremists" had been targeting Shiite Muslims trying to enter the centre to observe Ashura, a 10-day ritual to commemorate the death of Imam Hussain, the grandson of Prophet Muhammad.
Mr Daoud claimed that a number of attacks had been carried out on the centre in recent days by extremists and "supporters of ISIS"
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If someone born in Canada goes to some shithole like Syria or Iraq to fight for ISIS, those countries can fucking keep em as far as I am concerned. They will probably get killed anyway.
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But, would the government revoke citizenship of Canadian born who go abroad to fight?
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While deserved, I would assume that would require very strong legislation - prolly a lot stronger than we would see today.
Jailing them will more likely be the next step we will get to.
It will take more "islam being islam" for revocation for second generation to happen. Many imams and "revered mentors" / instigators would also likely be included (and should be) once we are forced to that point.
Certainly passport revocation is in the works. I'm not sure where that is at today. And, all that will do is keep proven dangerous persons in society ... not a good idea unless they are permanently jailed.
If I were Canadian I would be a bit disconcerted that it is only 69%.
good point
That said, your unicorn leader won't do a single thing with these nuts on your soil until the US is in rubble
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That said, your unicorn leader won't do a single thing with these nuts on your soil until the US is in rubble
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True enough, we are not doing nearly enough with Islamofascists, but it is still more than the US is doing with them, which is fuck all.
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Apathy may very well be the reason for that Renee.
To some extent. The main problem is PCness ... addressing ANYTHING that does not leave islam looking good
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That said,
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Tru Dat.
But I think you have to compare what O-Dipshit is doing with what the average American would want to do.
I'd be willing to bet that at least 69% of the American people want those that would leave the US to fight for Islam to be taken out in the street and shot. Revoking their citizenship would be considered a pussy-ass response.
For the most part our government is very out of step with it's people. Nowadays true Obamaites are only found in pockets of the population and many of them are so dumb and disconnected from reality that they really have no clue as to his policies on ANYTHING let alone homegrown jihadists.
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That said,
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Tru Dat.
But I think you have to compare what O-Dipshit is doing with what the average American would want to do.
I'd be willing to bet that at least 69% of the American people want those that would leave the US to fight for Islam to be taken out in the street and shot. Revoking their citizenship would be considered a pussy-ass response.
For the most part our government is very out of step with it's people.
Sounds like the average NDP supporter. ac_razz ac_toofunny
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That said,
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Tru Dat.
But I think you have to compare what O-Dipshit is doing with what the average American would want to do.
I'd be willing to bet that at least 69% of the American people want those that would leave the US to fight for Islam to be taken out in the street and shot. Revoking their citizenship would be considered a pussy-ass response.
For the most part our government is very out of step with it's people. Nowadays true Obamaites are only found in pockets of the population and many of them are so dumb and disconnected from reality that they really have no clue as to his policies on ANYTHING let alone homegrown jihadists.
There are very likely a significant number of Canadian citizens who would prefer to have them executed too Renee..
I doubt that was an option on the survey question though.
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That said,
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Tru Dat.
But I think you have to compare what O-Dipshit is doing with what the average American would want to do.
I'd be willing to bet that at least 69% of the American people want those that would leave the US to fight for Islam to be taken out in the street and shot. Revoking their citizenship would be considered a pussy-ass response.
For the most part our government is very out of step with it's people. Nowadays true Obamaites are only found in pockets of the population and many of them are so dumb and disconnected from reality that they really have no clue as to his policies on ANYTHING let alone homegrown jihadists.
There are very likely a significant number of Canadian citizens who would prefer to have them executed too Renee..
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Yeah well it should have been. It would have sent the proper message. ac_beating
^The message I would have sent if asked is a literal belief in Islam is means revoking citizenship no matter where you are born. I like the average American's ideas about what to do with Canadians who go abroad to fight with ISIS. Better yet, CC's porkboarding suggestion is better. ac_toofunny
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20% didn't understand the question.
Also, there are a number of nations supplying our immigrants that still have mandatory military service. Would be rather unfortunate if one went back for a quick visit with uncle Leroy, got drafted at the airport and then lost Cdn citizenship. Rules like this need context and context requires politicians that don't waffle and don't wet their pants at tough decisions.
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20% didn't understand the question.
Also, there are a number of nations supplying our immigrants that still have mandatory military service. Would be rather unfortunate if one went back for a quick visit with uncle Leroy, got drafted at the airport and then lost Cdn citizenship. Rules like this need context and context requires
That would be unusual reelsy, Western politicians with balls.
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20% didn't understand the question.
Also, there are a number of nations supplying our immigrants that still have mandatory military service. Would be rather unfortunate if one went back for a quick visit with uncle Leroy, got drafted at the airport and then lost Cdn citizenship.
A lot of the worlds social ills would be improved by strong leadership. Unfortunately in a world where politicians would rather pander for votes instead of leading, it's going to tough to accomplish.
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20% didn't understand the question.
Also, there are a number of nations supplying our immigrants that still have mandatory military service. Would be rather unfortunate if one went back for a quick visit with uncle Leroy, got drafted at the airport and then lost Cdn citizenship.
A lot of the words social ills would be improved by strong leadership. Unfortunately in a world where politicians would rather pander for votes instead of leading, it's going to tough to accomplish.
That's Western democracy in action; pandering for votes instead of leading. This is the result of voting being a birthright.
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20% didn't understand the question.
Also, there are a number of nations supplying our immigrants that still have mandatory military service. Would be rather unfortunate if one went back for a quick visit with uncle Leroy, got drafted at the airport and then lost Cdn citizenship.
A lot of the worlds social ills would be improved by strong leadership. Unfortunately in a world where politicians would rather pander for votes instead of leading, it's going to tough to accomplish.
Muslims are slime.
Retired Marine Maj. "Fox" Sinke says he has received threatening phone calls from Arabic speakers since he stood guard at Canada's National War Memorial last week.
But as he told police: "If they're looking for a fight, they came to the right guy."
Sinke said he received at least two phone calls on Tuesday from people who screamed at him in Arabic and then hung up.
"The only words I recognized were 'kill you,' because I've heard them before," he said.
Courage is at a premium these days. Few people are willing to take stands that might endanger them or even involve them in something "controversial."
Meanwhile, jihad murders make all too many people cower in fear and curtail their activities. Major Sinke is an exception. Hats off to him.
^Does anyone need anymore proof that the problem is the hateful ideology Islam itself?
BTW, Justin Trudeau will be the dumbest PM this country has ever had.
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"I know there are other things Canada could do, that other countries wouldn't be able to do just as well," he told the Sun News Network. "There's a lot of people, refugees, displaced peoples fleeing violence who are facing a very, very cold winter in the mountains. If something Canada has expertise on is how to face a winter in the mountains with the right kind of equipment."
So we shouldn't stop the terrorists from murdering thousands of Kurds, Christian Arabs and other minorities in Syria and Iraq.
We should wait until they're done, and if there's anyone left – any refugees – we should share with them our "expertise" in "how to face a winter."
How thoughtful. Trudeau wouldn't stop the terrorists. But if anyone survives, he'd give them a blanket. Actually, he'd give them our "expertise" in how to use a blanket.
It doesn't actually get that cold in Iraq and Syria. The lowest temperature ever recorded in Raqqa, the capital city of the Islamic State, is -7 C. It's actually hot over there most of the time. It's a Middle Eastern desert. They don't really need advisers telling them how to put on a sweater. They need help to stop terrorists from murdering them, beheading children and turning women into Islamic sex slaves.
Six Canadian CF-18s have been there for a week, and they are already in combat, and Canada has refuelling and reconnaissance planes too. Six hundred Canadian Forces personnel are supporting the mission. But instead of quiet pride in our forces, Trudeau has criticism.
"Canada is better than that and our forces certainly are as well," said Trudeau. What does that mean? What is better than stopping terrorists? Isn't this our military at their best? Working with an international coalition to save innocent civilians from a terrorist army?
Trudeau's explanation of his explanation was even more incoherent: "There are countries with far more aircraft to do that than Canada and they should continue."
What? Because other countries are larger than us, we should do nothing? But it's always true that other countries are larger than us – not just today, but during both world wars. Perhaps Canada shouldn't have joined in the D-Day invasion at Normandy, because the British and U.S. forces had more planes?
Maybe instead of sending soldiers to fight the Nazis, we should have sent our expertise about cold winters to Hitler's victims?
This is just the latest, stupidest comment from Trudeau about the Islamic State. But it's not his first.
At his book launch last month, Trudeau was asked by Heather Reisman what the greatest global threat facing Canada was. He answered, "Ebola" – though not a single Canadian has fallen ill to that disease.
Reisman tried again, pressing him for the second-greatest threat to Canada. Trudeau simply refused to say the word "terrorism." His answer was childish, and uninformed, and desperate. "More pandemics." He couldn't name any – he couldn't think of another disease's name, other than Ebola. That in itself is telling – he didn't even believe his own answer enough to come up with the name of this supposed national threat.
Trudeau hates using the word "terrorism" because he's courting the Muslim vote hard. He refused to call the attack on Parliament Hill terrorism, even after the Muslim extremist identity of the gunman was revealed. Only after the RCMP categorically declared it terrorism did Trudeau relent.
He saves his contempt for our armed forces. When the government first suggested joining Obama's military mission, Trudeau mocked the idea, saying the use of force was just angry old men who want to "whip out our CF-18s and show them how big they are."
That's what he thinks of our Canadian Forces, and their mission.
It's a Conservative Party slogan that Justin Trudeau just isn't up to the job, that he lacks judgment and experience.
It's a slogan that Trudeau is proving true, week after week.
http://www.edmontonsun.com/2014/11/08/the-winter-of-trudeaus-diss
MPs from across the political spectrum have called for more research into the attitudes of young Dutch Turks to the Islamic State, after a poll of 300 showed
The research, carried out by the Motivaction group in Amsterdam, was commissioned by the Forum multicultural institute.
During a parliamentary debate on integration issues on Wednesday, Socialist, D66 and CDA MPs called for a special sitting to investigate why youths have such radical views, website nu.nl reports.
The survey found 90% of young Turks think those fighting against Syrian president Assad's troops are 'heroes' and half thought it would be a good thing if Dutch Muslims went to join the fight.
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^Muslims supporting violence is no surprise. That is what their vile ideology is all about.
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It showed an astonishing 12% of respondents said, if the men in the so-called "Toronto 18" terror plot had succeeded in carrying out their attacks on Canada, they would have been "at least somewhat justified."
Most pundits simply shrugged off the shocking figure.
Now, six years later, we have a worldwide survey of Muslims conducted by the prestigious PEW Foundation. The results confirm the fear of many that the radical doctrine of jihad and Islamism is gaining ground.
The most talked about statistic was the fact 90% of Muslims (including women) in Iraq, Morocco, Tunisia, Indonesia, Afghanistan and Malaysia expressed the view "a wife is always obliged to obey her husband."
However, the most disturbing finding to emerge from this face-to-face survey of more than 38,000 Muslims around the world was the near-universal desire of most Muslims in Africa, Asia and the Middle East to see sharia become "the official law of the land." (99% in Afghanistan, 84% in Pakistan, 83% in Morocco).
So what, argue those who have scant knowledge of sharia. To them I say, here is another statistic about the supporters of sharia that jumped out of the survey.
Of those Muslims who support sharia law, 85% in Egypt, 75% in Pakistan and 65% in the Palestinian Territories, support the execution of any Muslim who walks away from Islam. Even in secular Turkey, Bosnia and Russia, 15% of Muslims backing sharia supported the beheading of those who walk away from Islam.
While the current U.S. administration judges the Arab Muslim Brotherhood and its South Asian offshoot, the Jamaat-e-Islami as "moderate" and even "secular," Islamists have had a field day across the Islamic world.
On the ground they meet very feeble resistance from an often marginalized liberal Muslim opposition, be it in Cairo or Dhaka. Internationally, they can rely on a bottomless pit of petro-dollars from Gulf Arab states and the logistic support of elements within the Pakistan ISI intelligence service.
On suicide bombing, or other violence used in the name of Islam, even in the U.S., eight per cent of Muslims believe the use of violence is "often" or "sometimes" justified in order to defend Islam.
This means close to 500,000 Americans of the Islamic faith believe it is at least sometimes justifiable to use violence against the state.
In the West, instead of confronting the rise of radical political Islam, many Muslim leaders continue to play the victim card, support sharia and refuse to renounce armed jihad.
Even as eight per cent of their community in the U.S. defend the use of violence of the kind employed by the Boston bombers, community leaders keep shrugging off their responsibility to denounce it.
This is a classic example of abdicating the responsibility to denounce the doctrine of armed jihad.
Time is running out for Muslims who enjoy freedom as minorities in democratic nations like the U.S., Canada, India and much of Europe.
If they don't take a bold stand against the doctrine of jihad and vigorously support the separation of state and religion, there will be a collective backlash against Muslims across the world. And that, unfortunately, will not be a pretty sight.
http://www.torontosun.com/2013/05/07/too-many-muslims-support-violence
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If they don't take a bold stand against the doctrine of jihad and vigorously support the separation of state and religion, there will be a collective backlash against Muslims across the world. And that, unfortunately, will not be a pretty sight.
http://www.torontosun.com/2013/05/07/to ... t-violence
Querky will now claim that you personally advocated picking on islamics and want to throw them all out of Canada .. .and a lot worse
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^Oh I do want violent bigots out of Canada CC and I don't care if they are skinheads or observant Islamists.
me 2 .... but that article was saying that unless islamics strongly deal with their radicals, instead of merely whimplly saying a tiny bit of the right thing "for looks" .... the ending " will not be a pretty sight" ...
something I have been saying myself for over a decade ... it's up to them ... ball is in their court, not in ours ... and I also know that the great majority they will never get strong against their radicals .. .never
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something I have been saying myself for over a decade ...
I totally agree. We cannot do anything about Islamists. Only the moderates can, but they seem to lack the balls to do that and who can blame em...they prolly want to keep their heads attached.
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something I have been saying myself for over a decade ...
I totally agree. We cannot do anything about Islamists. Only the moderates can, but they seem to lack the balls to do that and who can blame em...they prolly want to keep their heads attached.
They ain't agonna do nuffin!! .... a few will say a few words when needed so the Querky appeaser type can quote them ... but in reality, strongly, consistently and in numbers ... nufffin!!!!
^You know what though CC, I would do the same. I might not like the fundies, but I would fear for my life and that of my family. I know it sounds cowardly, but there are plenty of radical fundies here in Canada as you well know. I would think they would see non-observant muzzies as worse than infidels?
A good point, but I'm saying that in their hearts
Do you have any idea of the pride the very existence of ISIS, seen as an islamic winner, gives to yer average islamic?
For most followers it's islam first ... country and principle comes in a
islam is a cult ... and serious followers follow
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Do you have any idea of the pride the very existence of ISIS, seen as an islamic winner, gives to yer average islamic?
For most followers it's islam first ... country and principle comes in a
islam is a cult ... and serious followers follow
OK gotcha now. I misunderstood your point.
Yeah, I have been reading how ISIS is a huge source of pride for people who are brainwashed by Islam's violent ideology.