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Title: Small Donors are Supporting Trump
Post by: Herman on July 15, 2024, 09:49:49 PM
Because he is the first presidential candidate ever to campaign on behalf of working men and women.

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/07/09/us/politics/biden-donors-fund-raising.html
In the 24 hours after his conviction in May on 34 felony counts, Mr. Trump's campaign stoked its small donor base, raising nearly $53 million and shattering online records for Republicans. The haul helped him close a fund-raising gap and pull ahead of Mr. Biden, who had maintained a financial advantage through most of the campaign.

The democRATs are scared shitlessw their elitist billionaire paymasters and Hollywood millionaires ain't paying the bills they think Biden will lose.
Title: Re: Small Donors are Supporting Trump
Post by: Shen Li on July 15, 2024, 10:37:26 PM
The wealthiest ZIP codes in America are solidly Democratic.

For years, affluent and college-educated voters, mostly white, had been the base of the Republican Party. Exit polls showed Republicans winning college graduates with high incomes nationally from 1988 to 2004, and again in 2012.

That all changed under Trump. Blue collar workers who used to vote Democratic, supported Trump in 2016, 2020 and again this election cycle.

Conservatism is dead, dead, dead everywhere in the Western world. From the National Rally in France to the Danish People's Party, to the Brothers of Italy Party, nationalist, anti-globalist, anti-immigration, pseudo-socialist parties are in and small government, but globalist, anti-socialist conservative parties are toast.

The transformation of the Republican party under Trump has been incredible. So many of the old guard GOP would rather help the Dems sabotage the new GOP rather than have anything to do with coal miners from West Virginia or steel workers from West3ern Pennsylvania. Trump gave them a voice when Dems and old guard Republicans pretended they didn't exist.

Fiscal conservatism is still alive and well in East Asia though. The PAP in Singapore is conservative.
Title: Re: Small Donors are Supporting Trump
Post by: Shen Li on July 15, 2024, 11:11:54 PM
I can see why people earning less $120K/year or less are not donating to the Democrats. A senior Democratic strategist admitted his party has gone from being the party of the factory floor to the party of the faculty lounge.

It;s not just the Democrats who have turned on the working class citizens. The old guard Republican Party, and the Liberals and NDP in Canada treat people who work with their hands with disdain.

Trump saw this neglect and capitalized on it. He borrowed from European nationalist parties for sure. However, he crafted a uniquely American message. American workers finally have a voice.
Title: Re: Small Donors are Supporting Trump
Post by: Reggie Essent on July 15, 2024, 11:15:45 PM
The head of the Teamsters Union spoke at the Republican Convention tonight.
That has never happened before.
Title: Re: Small Donors are Supporting Trump
Post by: Biggie Smiles on July 15, 2024, 11:22:20 PM
Quote from: Reggie Essent on July 15, 2024, 11:15:45 PMThe head of the Teamsters Union spoke at the Republican Convention tonight.
That has never happened before.

union? As in the cancer of capitalism? speaking at a conservative convention?

That is a pretty bad omen for poor old biden
Title: Re: Small Donors are Supporting Trump
Post by: Shen Li on July 15, 2024, 11:23:59 PM
Quote from: Biggie Smiles on July 15, 2024, 11:22:20 PMunion? As in the cancer of capitalism? speaking at a conservative convention?

That is a pretty bad omen for poor old biden
I don't know how anybody can call Triump a conservative. Conservatism is so dead now.
Title: Re: Small Donors are Supporting Trump
Post by: Shen Li on July 15, 2024, 11:25:43 PM
Quote from: Reggie Essent on July 15, 2024, 11:15:45 PMThe head of the Teamsters Union spoke at the Republican Convention tonight.
That has never happened before.
Yeah, everything has been turned on it's head. My views have evolved too.
Title: Re: Small Donors are Supporting Trump
Post by: Shen Li on July 15, 2024, 11:28:44 PM
The Democrats are representing more than 80% of the 50 wealthiest electoral districts in the House of Reps.
Title: Re: Small Donors are Supporting Trump
Post by: Reggie Essent on July 15, 2024, 11:30:14 PM
Quote from: Biggie Smiles on July 15, 2024, 11:22:20 PMunion? As in the cancer of capitalism? speaking at a conservative convention?

That is a pretty bad omen for poor old biden

Big C Conservatism is now the ideology of the American working class.  Been that way for quite a while now.
Title: Re: Small Donors are Supporting Trump
Post by: Shen Li on July 15, 2024, 11:35:46 PM
Quote from: Reggie Essent on July 15, 2024, 11:30:14 PMBig C Conservatism is now the ideology of the American working class.  Been that way for quite a while now.
Big C and small c conservatism means something different in Canada. Big C refers to the Tory party itself. It's similar to RINO in the States. Small c conservative means real conservatism. However, that is evolving too as few politicians in Canada talk about shrinking the size of government anymore.
Title: Re: Small Donors are Supporting Trump
Post by: Biggie Smiles on July 15, 2024, 11:37:29 PM
Quote from: Shen Li on July 15, 2024, 11:28:44 PMThe Democrats are representing more than 80% of the 50 wealthiest electoral districts in the House of Reps.

you know one thing that baffles me? How the moronic followers cannot sort out for themselves how billionaires would never support with their dollars and votes a party which didn't have their financial interests near and dear to their hearts

How do people actually become that stupid?
Title: Re: Small Donors are Supporting Trump
Post by: Shen Li on July 15, 2024, 11:41:19 PM
Quote from: Biggie Smiles on July 15, 2024, 11:37:29 PMyou know one thing that baffles me? How the moronic followers cannot sort out for themselves how billionaires would never support with their dollars and votes a party which didn't have their financial interests near and dear to their hearts

How do people actually become that stupid?
Libtards don't see the obvious. Billionaires supported the Democrats in 2016 and 2020 because Clinton and Biden promised to make them "pay their fair share."  :facepalm: 

Do you see why I don't support universal suffrage?
Title: Re: Small Donors are Supporting Trump
Post by: Reggie Essent on July 15, 2024, 11:41:24 PM
Quote from: Shen Li on July 15, 2024, 11:35:46 PMBig C and small c conservatism means something different in Canada. Big C refers to the Tory party itself. It's similar to RINO in the States. Small c conservative means real conservatism. However, that is evolving too as few politicians in Canada talk about shrinking the size of government anymore.

I guess I mean small C then.  Kinda like how I call myself a small L libertarian to differentiate my leanings from the whackadoodle Libertarian Party.

I've just noticed that working folks have been leaning Republican for a long, long time, even though the Leftist filth still claim they're for "the middle class."

That sure explains all those Hollywood fundraisers.
Title: Re: Small Donors are Supporting Trump
Post by: Shen Li on July 15, 2024, 11:43:48 PM
Quote from: Reggie Essent on July 15, 2024, 11:41:24 PMI guess I mean small C then.  Kinda like how I call myself a small L libertarian to differentiate my leanings from the whackadoodle Libertarian Party.

I've just noticed that working folks have been leaning Republican for a long, long time, even though the Leftist filth still claim they're for "the middle class."

That sure explains all those Hollywood fundraisers.
You would be a small c conservative in Canada. John Kasich would be a big C conservative or a red Tory.
Title: Re: Small Donors are Supporting Trump
Post by: Reggie Essent on July 15, 2024, 11:45:04 PM
Quote from: Shen Li on July 15, 2024, 11:41:19 PMDo you see why I don't support universal suffrage?

I think only taxpayers should vote.  You don't pay any taxes, you don't get a say.
Title: Re: Small Donors are Supporting Trump
Post by: Shen Li on July 15, 2024, 11:46:43 PM

Quote from: Reggie Essent on July 15, 2024, 11:45:04 PMI think only taxpayers should vote.  You don't pay any taxes, you don't get a say.
I think I love you.
Title: Re: Small Donors are Supporting Trump
Post by: Reggie Essent on July 15, 2024, 11:50:58 PM
Quote from: Shen Li on July 15, 2024, 11:46:43 PMI think I love you.


Well, it only makes sense ...

Oh, and the tax thing too. ;)
Title: Re: Small Donors are Supporting Trump
Post by: Biggie Smiles on July 15, 2024, 11:56:08 PM
Quote from: Reggie Essent on July 15, 2024, 11:45:04 PMI think only taxpayers should vote.  You don't pay any taxes, you don't get a say.
If illegals were required and forced to pay at the same rates that I am I wouldn't even mind if they voted with or without citizenship.

I don't think being born here means as much as paying into the system with your own blood, sweat and tears and then see how much they will be for all of these entitlement programs.
Title: Re: Small Donors are Supporting Trump
Post by: Reggie Essent on July 16, 2024, 12:10:58 AM
Quote from: Biggie Smiles on July 15, 2024, 11:56:08 PMIf illegals were required and forced to pay at the same rates that I am I wouldn't even mind if they voted with or without citizenship.

I don't think being born here means as much as paying into the system with your own blood, sweat and tears and then see how much they will be for all of these entitlement programs.

Well, to further refine it.  I say that if you work for the government, you don't get to vote in any election regarding the government you work for. (Feds don't get to vote in Federal elections, State employees don't get to vote in State elections and local government employees don't get to vote in local elections.)

It's a clear conflict of interest.

It is no coincidence that excluding the military, well over 90% of all government employees, Federal, State and Local, are registered Democrats.  The Party of, by and for government.
Title: Re: Small Donors are Supporting Trump
Post by: Biggie Smiles on July 16, 2024, 12:15:53 AM
Quote from: Reggie Essent on July 16, 2024, 12:10:58 AMWell, to further refine it.  I say that if you work for the government, you don't get to vote in any election regarding the government you work for. (Feds don't get to vote in Federal elections, State employees don't get to vote in State elections and local government employees don't get to vote in local elections.)

It's a clear conflict of interest.

It is no coincidence that excluding the military, well over 90% of all government employees, Federal, State and Local, are registered Democrats.  The Party of, by and for government.

100%

anyone leeching off the government tit for their continued existence should have no say in how it functions. Clear conflict of interest as you will have such parasites voting in whatever direction must ensures the continuation of their worthless existence.
Title: Re: Small Donors are Supporting Trump
Post by: Frood on July 16, 2024, 12:17:42 AM
Quote from: Reggie Essent on July 15, 2024, 11:41:24 PMI guess I mean small C then.  Kinda like how I call myself a small L libertarian to differentiate my leanings from the whackadoodle Libertarian Party.

I've just noticed that working folks have been leaning Republican for a long, long time, even though the Leftist filth still claim they're for "the middle class."

That sure explains all those Hollywood fundraisers.

I prefer the term Voluntaryist.
Title: Re: Small Donors are Supporting Trump
Post by: Lokmar on July 16, 2024, 12:41:47 AM
Quote from: Reggie Essent on July 16, 2024, 12:10:58 AMWell, to further refine it.  I say that if you work for the government, you don't get to vote in any election regarding the government you work for. (Feds don't get to vote in Federal elections, State employees don't get to vote in State elections and local government employees don't get to vote in local elections.)

It's a clear conflict of interest.

It is no coincidence that excluding the military, well over 90% of all government employees, Federal, State and Local, are registered Democrats.  The Party of, by and for government.

Having several friends and relatives in government, I still agree with you. I will be sure to share this with all of them to further ostracize myself from my family and friends!  :popcorn:
Title: Re: Small Donors are Supporting Trump
Post by: DKG on July 16, 2024, 06:25:50 AM
Quote from: Reggie Essent on July 16, 2024, 12:10:58 AMWell, to further refine it.  I say that if you work for the government, you don't get to vote in any election regarding the government you work for. (Feds don't get to vote in Federal elections, State employees don't get to vote in State elections and local government employees don't get to vote in local elections.)

It's a clear conflict of interest.

It is no coincidence that excluding the military, well over 90% of all government employees, Federal, State and Local, are registered Democrats.  The Party of, by and for government.
It is the same in Canada. Powerful public sector unions spend a lot of money on Conservative attack ads.

Public sector unions themselves are problematic. There is nobody representing the owners of the money(us). The government is looking out for their career interests, not what is best for taxpayers.
Title: Re: Small Donors are Supporting Trump
Post by: DKG on July 16, 2024, 06:30:19 AM
Quote from: Herman on July 15, 2024, 09:49:49 PMBecause he is the first presidential candidate ever to campaign on behalf of working men and women.

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/07/09/us/politics/biden-donors-fund-raising.html
In the 24 hours after his conviction in May on 34 felony counts, Mr. Trump's campaign stoked its small donor base, raising nearly $53 million and shattering online records for Republicans. The haul helped him close a fund-raising gap and pull ahead of Mr. Biden, who had maintained a financial advantage through most of the campaign.

The democRATs are scared shitlessw their elitist billionaire paymasters and Hollywood millionaires ain't paying the bills they think Biden will lose.
One thing about wealthy donors. They do not financially support losing candidates. They can see that without some pretty extreme cheating in Dem districts, Biden will lose this election. They will not throw good money after bad.
Title: Re: Small Donors are Supporting Trump
Post by: DKG on July 16, 2024, 06:35:44 AM
Quote from: Shen Li on July 15, 2024, 10:37:26 PMThe wealthiest ZIP codes in America are solidly Democratic.

For years, affluent and college-educated voters, mostly white, had been the base of the Republican Party. Exit polls showed Republicans winning college graduates with high incomes nationally from 1988 to 2004, and again in 2012.

That all changed under Trump. Blue collar workers who used to vote Democratic, supported Trump in 2016, 2020 and again this election cycle.

Conservatism is dead, dead, dead everywhere in the Western world. From the National Rally in France to the Danish People's Party, to the Brothers of Italy Party, nationalist, anti-globalist, anti-immigration, pseudo-socialist parties are in and small government, but globalist, anti-socialist conservative parties are toast.

The transformation of the Republican party under Trump has been incredible. So many of the old guard GOP would rather help the Dems sabotage the new GOP rather than have anything to do with coal miners from West Virginia or steel workers from West3ern Pennsylvania. Trump gave them a voice when Dems and old guard Republicans pretended they didn't exist.

Fiscal conservatism is still alive and well in East Asia though. The PAP in Singapore is conservative.
The Democrats lost voters without university degrees. They have gained the wealthy elites, especially now that they don't have a traditional Republican Party anymore to splurge on.

But, I am still a traditional liberal/conservative. I still believe in free markets, minimal red tape, smallest government possible, and letting people decide what is best for their money and their lives.
Title: Re: Small Donors are Supporting Trump
Post by: Brent on July 16, 2024, 01:30:44 PM
Quote from: Shen Li on July 15, 2024, 10:37:26 PMThe wealthiest ZIP codes in America are solidly Democratic.

For years, affluent and college-educated voters, mostly white, had been the base of the Republican Party. Exit polls showed Republicans winning college graduates with high incomes nationally from 1988 to 2004, and again in 2012.

That all changed under Trump. Blue collar workers who used to vote Democratic, supported Trump in 2016, 2020 and again this election cycle.

Conservatism is dead, dead, dead everywhere in the Western world. From the National Rally in France to the Danish People's Party, to the Brothers of Italy Party, nationalist, anti-globalist, anti-immigration, pseudo-socialist parties are in and small government, but globalist, anti-socialist conservative parties are toast.

The transformation of the Republican party under Trump has been incredible. So many of the old guard GOP would rather help the Dems sabotage the new GOP rather than have anything to do with coal miners from West Virginia or steel workers from West3ern Pennsylvania. Trump gave them a voice when Dems and old guard Republicans pretended they didn't exist.

Fiscal conservatism is still alive and well in East Asia though. The PAP in Singapore is conservative.
Socialism is dead too. AOC, Sanders, and Jagmeet Singh are woke corporatists, not socialists. Open borders, climate change inflation that hurts the working class, war with Russia are what rich urban elites want.

Trump and Vance are a lot closer to socialism than the Squad is. That is why Trump has trouble getting rich people to donate. His working class agenda takes power away from the rich and entitled and gives it back to workers.

Fight the power. Vote Trump/Vance.
Title: Re: Small Donors are Supporting Trump
Post by: Biggie Smiles on July 16, 2024, 02:00:25 PM
Quote from: Brent on July 16, 2024, 01:30:44 PMSocialism is dead too. AOC, Sanders, and Jagmeet Singh are woke corporatists, not socialists.



Correction. they are opportunists seeking to engage in enough performative activity so as to swell demand for their real money making endeavors. 

Congress is only a part-time gig for them and only serves to facilitate the exposure they need to garner the real money.
Title: Re: Small Donors are Supporting Trump
Post by: JOE on July 16, 2024, 02:04:30 PM
Quote from: Biggie Smiles on July 15, 2024, 11:22:20 PMunion? As in the cancer of capitalism? speaking at a conservative convention?

That is a pretty bad omen for poor old biden

I don't feel sorry for Biden at all avatar_Biggie Smiles Bigly

Biden should have offered to step down after that debate.

But his refusal to do so has resulted in Big Donors stifling their contributions to the Democratic party while the money keeps flowing in to the Republican party.

No brainer to realize where this is headed.


Man's a selfish Idiot.

He refuses to see the writing on the wall & do what's in the best interests of his own party.
Title: Re: Small Donors are Supporting Trump
Post by: Biggie Smiles on July 16, 2024, 02:11:17 PM
Quote from: JOE on July 16, 2024, 02:04:30 PMI don't feel sorry for Biden at all avatar_Biggie Smiles Bigly

Biden should have offered to step down after that debate.

But his refusal to do so has resulted in Big Donors stifling their contributions to the Democratic party while the money keeps flowing in to the Republican party.

No brainer to realize where this is headed.


Man's a selfish Idiot.

He refuses to see the writing on the wall & do what's in the best interests of his own party.


Reminiscent of Ruth Bader Ginsburg who, well into her 80's was begged to step down during the Obama administration,

 but selfishness and greed are selfishness and greed no matter whom it is that ultimately pays the price.  And those are traits commonplace within the democrat party. You are witnessing it unfold in real time.
Title: Re: Small Donors are Supporting Trump
Post by: JOE on July 16, 2024, 02:27:26 PM
Quote from: Biggie Smiles on July 16, 2024, 02:11:17 PMReminiscent of Ruth Bader Ginsburg who, well into her 80's was begged to step down during the Obama administration,

 but selfishness and greed are selfishness and greed no matter whom it is that ultimately pays the price.  And those are traits commonplace within the democrat party. You are witnessing it unfold in real time.

I think these politicians and the people they appoint in your country never want to leave high office because they have it good and they know it.

Gold plated pensions. 24/7 police protection. Best medical care and doctors on the planet to take care of their aging corpses.

So that system is all too accommodating for these old codgers.

There should be an age limit like 75.

Canada the maximum age Supreme Court Justices can remain on the bench is 75. Upon reaching that age they have to step down.
Title: Re: Small Donors are Supporting Trump
Post by: Thiel on July 16, 2024, 02:44:29 PM
Quote from: JOE on July 16, 2024, 02:27:26 PMI think these politicians and the people they appoint in your country never want to leave high office because they have it good and they know it.

Gold plated pensions. 24/7 police protection. Best medical care and doctors on the planet to take care of their aging corpses.

So that system is all too accommodating for these old codgers.

There should be an age limit like 75.

Canada the maximum age Supreme Court Justices can remain on the bench is 75. Upon reaching that age they have to step down.
Sweetie, Canadian federal politicians have the same perks as their American counterparts. They even have some perks American congressmen do not. So don't worry your pretty little bald head about American politics.
Title: Re: Small Donors are Supporting Trump
Post by: Reggie Essent on July 16, 2024, 05:34:24 PM
Quote from: DKG on July 16, 2024, 06:25:50 AMIt is the same in Canada. Powerful public sector unions spend a lot of money on Conservative attack ads.

Public sector unions themselves are problematic. There is nobody representing the owners of the money(us). The government is looking out for their career interests, not what is best for taxpayers.

Public Sector Unions are criminal enterprises and should be outlawed.  As you point out, there is no one who can sit on the other side of the Collective Bargaining table and negotiate in good faith for ALL of the taxpayers, who are "management" is all public settings.

What you end up with is what we have here in Illinois: Public Sector Unions consisting of over 90% registered Democrats contributing millions of dollars to Democrat Candidates to get them elected, and then the Democrat the Unions got elected sit on the other side of the Collective Bargaining table.

As I pointed out, it is a clear conflict of interest.  .
Title: Re: Small Donors are Supporting Trump
Post by: Oliver the Second on July 16, 2024, 06:00:09 PM

Commercial airline pilots are forced to retire at age 65 because any older is considered to be a risk to the lives of the passengers.

Yet no such limit is in place for a US President who could literally push a button and kill hundreds of millions of people all over the world.

Strange isn't it?
Title: Re: Small Donors are Supporting Trump
Post by: Herman on July 16, 2024, 08:57:03 PM
Quote from: DKG on July 16, 2024, 06:30:19 AMOne thing about wealthy donors. They do not financially support losing candidates. They can see that without some pretty extreme cheating in Dem districts, Biden will lose this election. They will not throw good money after bad.
Any election, anywhere. Candidates who are expected to lose ain't raising any money from rich folks or companies.
Title: Re: Small Donors are Supporting Trump
Post by: Herman on July 16, 2024, 08:58:42 PM
Quote from: Thiel on July 16, 2024, 02:44:29 PMSweetie, Canadian federal politicians have the same perks as their American counterparts. They even have some perks American congressmen do not. So don't worry your pretty little bald head about American politics.
Is he the best you could do.
Title: Re: Small Donors are Supporting Trump
Post by: Oliver the Second on July 16, 2024, 10:03:11 PM
Quote from: Herman on July 16, 2024, 08:58:42 PMIs he the best you could do.


Maybe he should consider switching back to the other side.

(https://i.imgur.com/LDUhFTql.png)
Title: Re: Small Donors are Supporting Trump
Post by: Shen Li on July 16, 2024, 10:28:45 PM
Quote from: Reggie Essent on July 16, 2024, 05:34:24 PMPublic Sector Unions are criminal enterprises and should be outlawed.  As you point out, there is no one who can sit on the other side of the Collective Bargaining table and negotiate in good faith for ALL of the taxpayers, who are "management" is all public settings.

What you end up with is what we have here in Illinois: Public Sector Unions consisting of over 90% registered Democrats contributing millions of dollars to Democrat Candidates to get them elected, and then the Democrat the Unions got elected sit on the other side of the Collective Bargaining table.

As I pointed out, it is a clear conflict of interest.  .
Franklin Delano Roosevelt warned about public sector unions. They should never have been legalized.

Strangely, Singpaore's civil service is unionized. But, there isn't the corrupt relationship between any political party in Singapore, let alone the goveerning PAP and the largest public sector union, the Amalgamated Union of Public Employees (AUPE) like there is in the US between public sector unions and the Democrats.
Title: Re: Small Donors are Supporting Trump
Post by: Reggie Essent on July 16, 2024, 10:39:00 PM
Quote from: Shen Li on July 16, 2024, 10:28:45 PMFranklin Delano Roosevelt warned about public sector unions. They should never have been legalized.

Strangely, Singpaore's civil service is unionized. But, there isn't the corrupt relationship between any political party in Singapore, let alone the goveerning PAP and the largest public sector union, the Amalgamated Union of Public Employees (AUPE) like there is in the US between public sector unions and the Democrats.

I am not opposed to private sector Unions where both sides of the Bargaining table have clearly defined interests.  This is impossible in the Public Sector where the taxpayers are funding everything. 

It's funny you mention FDR.  His arguments against Public Sector Unions are the same one's I make here -- and I'm not a big fan of FDR.  In fact, I think his was the most evil Leftist Shitbag Fuck to ever hold the highest office of our land, but that's a story for a different message board thread.
Title: Re: Small Donors are Supporting Trump
Post by: Shen Li on July 16, 2024, 10:58:05 PM
Quote from: Reggie Essent on July 16, 2024, 10:39:00 PMI am not opposed to private sector Unions where both sides of the Bargaining table have clearly defined interests.  This is impossible in the Public Sector where the taxpayers are funding everything. 

It's funny you mention FDR.  His arguments against Public Sector Unions are the same one's I make here -- and I'm not a big fan of FDR.  In fact, I think his was the most evil Leftist Shitbag Fuck to ever hold the highest office of our land, but that's a story for a different message board thread.
Roosevelt was right and so are you.

As you said, there is nobody representing taxpayers at the bargaining table when a union negotiates with the party they give large donations too.
Title: Re: Small Donors are Supporting Trump
Post by: DKG on July 17, 2024, 06:26:57 AM
Quote from: Biggie Smiles on July 16, 2024, 02:00:25 PMCorrection. they are opportunists seeking to engage in enough performative activity so as to swell demand for their real money making endeavors. 

Congress is only a part-time gig for them and only serves to facilitate the exposure they need to garner the real money.
Precisely. They have all become wealthy and seek greater fortune. Congress and parliament are a means to an end.
Title: Re: Small Donors are Supporting Trump
Post by: Brent on July 17, 2024, 01:43:10 PM
Quote from: Reggie Essent on July 15, 2024, 11:45:04 PMI think only taxpayers should vote.  You don't pay any taxes, you don't get a say.
I don't know about that. Illegal aliens or even legal residents who are not citizens should not be voting.
Title: Re: Small Donors are Supporting Trump
Post by: Thiel on July 17, 2024, 02:51:28 PM
Quote from: Herman on July 16, 2024, 08:58:42 PMIs he the best you could do.
No. But, like the challenge of a fixer upper project.