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Title: Former PM Stephen Harper's Warnings About Justine Have Come to Pass
Post by: Herman on October 09, 2024, 10:17:23 PM
I did not give the man the respect he deserved when he was pm. Let's face it, life for Canadians was a hell of a lot better under Harper than under Justine.

https://nationalpost.com/opinion/first-reading-video-shows-harper-saying-his-warnings-about-trudeau-have-come-to-pass?taid=6706a8ef0200580001cb7555&utm_campaign=trueanthem&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter
During the 2015 election campaign Harper made a handful of specific predictions about what a Trudeau government would bring. Nine years later, all of them have indeed occurred.

At least twice during the 2015 campaign, Harper is on record as saying that Trudeau would blow out the federal debt at levels way past what the Liberal campaign was promising.

"If we're going to be the kind of country that starts going into deficit even when the economy is growing ... we know in the past that is a recipe for permanent deficits," Harper said in an October 2015 interview with CBC host Rosemary Barton.

Once you lose the anchor of a balanced budget, you're always under pressure to just spend more and not cover it," he said.

At the time, the Liberal pitch was that they would run "a modest short-term deficit" for their first three years, and then immediately return to a balanced budget by 2018. The final price tag of this spending was supposed to come in at a maximum of $30 billion in new federal debt.

This was something that Barton brought up in the interview, asking Harper how "three deficits" could ever end up becoming permanent deficits.

"They're not three; nothing's going to magically balance the budget after three years," he replied.

Nine years after that interview, the federal debt has doubled. Debt stood at $616 billion when Trudeau took office in 2015, and just last month it passed $1.3 trillion.

In 2022, the Parliamentary Budget Officer calculated that more than a third of the deficit spending earmarked under COVID-19 had nothing to do with the pandemic. The Trudeau government approved $576 billion in new spending, of which $204.5 billion was "not part of the COVID-19 Response Plan."

And even in the wake of the pandemic, the Trudeau government has continued to greenlight some of the largest peacetime budget deficits in Canadian history.

And in the last fiscal year (2023/2024), the federal deficit was still cruising at more than $40 billion per year — about $1,000 in new federal debt per Canadian.

The 2023 federal budget was also the first to discard any promise of eventually running a surplus. Instead, it pledged that deficits were on track to eventually reach "one per cent of GDP or lower."

At a 2015 campaign stop in Hamilton, Ont., Harper also detailed his prediction that Trudeau's pledge to go into deficit in the midst of a growing economy would quickly push Canada into uncharted fiscal territory.

"Trudeau's deficits will not be small. Mr. Trudeau has made tens of billions of dollars of spending promises; he said the budget will balance itself, he has no idea what he is talking about when it comes to these things," he said.

Although most of Harper's most specific criticisms of Trudeau during the 2015 campaign were economic, there was also a moment during the 2015 leader's debate in which the Conservative leader made an eerily accurate prediction of what immigration would look like under a Trudeau government.

At The Globe and Mail leader's debate, both Trudeau and NDP Leader Thomas Mulcair were criticizing Harper for not having a sufficiently generous asylum policy in relation to refugees from the then-ongoing Syrian Civil War.

Gesturing to Trudeau and Mulcair, Harper said "these guys would have had, in the last two weeks, us throwing open our borders and literally hundreds of thousands of people coming without any kind of security check or documentation."

Security screening protocols of these newcomers have also been thrown in doubt by a number of incidents in which criminals or would-be terrorists have been able to enter Canada.

Most recently, this included Pakistani national Muhammad Shahzeb Khan, who entered Canada on a student visa and was arrested last month at the U.S. border and charged with a plot to slip into the United States to perpetrate a mass-shooting on a Jewish centre.
Title: Re: Former PM Stephen Harper's Warnings About Justine Have Come to Pass
Post by: Prof Emeritus at Fawk U on October 10, 2024, 12:01:35 PM
Canada has my sympathies.
Title: Re: Former PM Stephen Harper's Warnings About Justine Have Come to Pass
Post by: Brent on October 10, 2024, 03:04:25 PM
Quote from: Herman on October 09, 2024, 10:17:23 PMI did not give the man the respect he deserved when he was pm. Let's face it, life for Canadians was a hell of a lot better under Harper than under Justine.

https://nationalpost.com/opinion/first-reading-video-shows-harper-saying-his-warnings-about-trudeau-have-come-to-pass?taid=6706a8ef0200580001cb7555&utm_campaign=trueanthem&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter
During the 2015 election campaign Harper made a handful of specific predictions about what a Trudeau government would bring. Nine years later, all of them have indeed occurred.

At least twice during the 2015 campaign, Harper is on record as saying that Trudeau would blow out the federal debt at levels way past what the Liberal campaign was promising.

"If we're going to be the kind of country that starts going into deficit even when the economy is growing ... we know in the past that is a recipe for permanent deficits," Harper said in an October 2015 interview with CBC host Rosemary Barton.

Once you lose the anchor of a balanced budget, you're always under pressure to just spend more and not cover it," he said.

At the time, the Liberal pitch was that they would run "a modest short-term deficit" for their first three years, and then immediately return to a balanced budget by 2018. The final price tag of this spending was supposed to come in at a maximum of $30 billion in new federal debt.

This was something that Barton brought up in the interview, asking Harper how "three deficits" could ever end up becoming permanent deficits.

"They're not three; nothing's going to magically balance the budget after three years," he replied.

Nine years after that interview, the federal debt has doubled. Debt stood at $616 billion when Trudeau took office in 2015, and just last month it passed $1.3 trillion.

In 2022, the Parliamentary Budget Officer calculated that more than a third of the deficit spending earmarked under COVID-19 had nothing to do with the pandemic. The Trudeau government approved $576 billion in new spending, of which $204.5 billion was "not part of the COVID-19 Response Plan."

And even in the wake of the pandemic, the Trudeau government has continued to greenlight some of the largest peacetime budget deficits in Canadian history.

And in the last fiscal year (2023/2024), the federal deficit was still cruising at more than $40 billion per year — about $1,000 in new federal debt per Canadian.

The 2023 federal budget was also the first to discard any promise of eventually running a surplus. Instead, it pledged that deficits were on track to eventually reach "one per cent of GDP or lower."

At a 2015 campaign stop in Hamilton, Ont., Harper also detailed his prediction that Trudeau's pledge to go into deficit in the midst of a growing economy would quickly push Canada into uncharted fiscal territory.

"Trudeau's deficits will not be small. Mr. Trudeau has made tens of billions of dollars of spending promises; he said the budget will balance itself, he has no idea what he is talking about when it comes to these things," he said.

Although most of Harper's most specific criticisms of Trudeau during the 2015 campaign were economic, there was also a moment during the 2015 leader's debate in which the Conservative leader made an eerily accurate prediction of what immigration would look like under a Trudeau government.

At The Globe and Mail leader's debate, both Trudeau and NDP Leader Thomas Mulcair were criticizing Harper for not having a sufficiently generous asylum policy in relation to refugees from the then-ongoing Syrian Civil War.

Gesturing to Trudeau and Mulcair, Harper said "these guys would have had, in the last two weeks, us throwing open our borders and literally hundreds of thousands of people coming without any kind of security check or documentation."

Security screening protocols of these newcomers have also been thrown in doubt by a number of incidents in which criminals or would-be terrorists have been able to enter Canada.

Most recently, this included Pakistani national Muhammad Shahzeb Khan, who entered Canada on a student visa and was arrested last month at the U.S. border and charged with a plot to slip into the United States to perpetrate a mass-shooting on a Jewish centre.
I never voted for Stephen Harper. I never thought I would miss his leadership, but I do.
Title: Re: Former PM Stephen Harper's Warnings About Justine Have Come to Pass
Post by: Brent on October 10, 2024, 03:07:21 PM
Justin Trudeau and Jagmeet Singh have turned a blind eye. It's time to ban terrorists and pro terror groups like Samidoun

Samidoun is a pro terror group operating on Canadian soil and burning Canadian flags. These groups have no place in our country.

They are a front for the already banned terrorist entity, the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine (PFLP).

Samidoun is operating in Canadian streets. Earlier this week they flooded our streets with chants of "death to Canada" and burned Canadian flags.

Those terrorist traitors would have been banned if Stephen Harper was still prime minister.
Title: Re: Former PM Stephen Harper's Warnings About Justine Have Come to Pass
Post by: Herman on October 10, 2024, 09:33:09 PM
Quote from: Prof Emeritus at Fawk U on October 10, 2024, 12:01:35 PMCanada has my sympathies.
The only good news is that we know Trudeau has eleven months left if he goes to the very end. Pierre Pollivere and the Conservative party will trounce Justine's Liberals in next year's election.
Title: Re: Former PM Stephen Harper's Warnings About Justine Have Come to Pass
Post by: Prof Emeritus at Fawk U on October 10, 2024, 09:34:44 PM
Quote from: Herman on October 10, 2024, 09:33:09 PMThe only good news is that we know Trudeau has eleven months left if he goes to the very end. Pierre Pollivere and the Conservative party will trounce Justine's Liberals in next year's election.

Hopefully it will be the Canadian equivalent of the 1984 election here.  Reagan carried 49 states.
Title: Re: Former PM Stephen Harper's Warnings About Justine Have Come to Pass
Post by: Lab Flaker on October 10, 2024, 09:47:32 PM
Quote from: Prof Emeritus at Fawk U on October 10, 2024, 09:34:44 PMHopefully it will be the Canadian equivalent of the 1984 election here.  Reagan carried 49 states.

How the hell is he still being elected? Clearly nobody likes the bloke. Do Canadians have no voice?
Title: Re: Former PM Stephen Harper's Warnings About Justine Have Come to Pass
Post by: Herman on October 10, 2024, 09:49:26 PM
Quote from: Prof Emeritus at Fawk U on October 10, 2024, 09:34:44 PMHopefully it will be the Canadian equivalent of the 1984 election here.  Reagan carried 49 states.
As it stands right now, Trump should win. But, nevewr estimate the democRATs ability to cheat. They still got twenty six days to be dirty as hell.
Title: Re: Former PM Stephen Harper's Warnings About Justine Have Come to Pass
Post by: Herman on October 10, 2024, 09:51:01 PM
Quote from: Lab Flaker on October 10, 2024, 09:47:32 PMHow the hell is he still being elected? Clearly nobody likes the bloke. Do Canadians have no voice?
He lost the popular vote, the last two elections.
Title: Re: Former PM Stephen Harper's Warnings About Justine Have Come to Pass
Post by: Lab Flaker on October 10, 2024, 09:52:20 PM
Quote from: Herman on October 10, 2024, 09:51:01 PMHe lost the popular vote, the last two elections.

How long has he got until the next election?
Title: Re: Former PM Stephen Harper's Warnings About Justine Have Come to Pass
Post by: Prof Emeritus at Fawk U on October 10, 2024, 10:04:26 PM
Quote from: Lab Flaker on October 10, 2024, 09:47:32 PMHow the hell is he still being elected? Clearly nobody likes the bloke. Do Canadians have no voice?

No, I meant that Pollivere will completely steamroll Trudeau.
Title: Re: Former PM Stephen Harper's Warnings About Justine Have Come to Pass
Post by: Herman on October 10, 2024, 10:05:18 PM
Quote from: Lab Flaker on October 10, 2024, 09:52:20 PMHow long has he got until the next election?
We have to have one within a year. Justine knows he is going to get slaughtered. He is hated from coast to coast. His party could end up fourth in the next election. He is not going to dissolve Parliament until he has to in ten and a half months. Then we begin a six week election campain. When it's over Justine will no longer be pm and Canada's decade long decline ends and we start to rebuild.
Title: Re: Former PM Stephen Harper's Warnings About Justine Have Come to Pass
Post by: Prof Emeritus at Fawk U on October 10, 2024, 10:05:40 PM
Quote from: Herman on October 10, 2024, 09:49:26 PMAs it stands right now, Trump should win. But, nevewr estimate the democRATs ability to cheat. They still got twenty six days to be dirty as hell.

I pretty much expect anything from those turds. 
Title: Re: Former PM Stephen Harper's Warnings About Justine Have Come to Pass
Post by: Lab Flaker on October 10, 2024, 10:07:09 PM
Quote from: Prof Emeritus at Fawk U on October 10, 2024, 10:04:26 PMNo, I meant that Pollivere will completely steamroll Trudeau.

Good. I'm tired of seeing Truduh's face....and I'm not even Canadian!
Title: Re: Former PM Stephen Harper's Warnings About Justine Have Come to Pass
Post by: Herman on October 10, 2024, 10:09:20 PM
Quote from: Prof Emeritus at Fawk U on October 10, 2024, 10:04:26 PMNo, I meant that Pollivere will completely steamroll Trudeau.
Pollievre will be our pm by this time next year. That guy is ferocious and Justine is a retarded pansy.
Title: Re: Former PM Stephen Harper's Warnings About Justine Have Come to Pass
Post by: Prof Emeritus at Fawk U on October 10, 2024, 10:10:02 PM
Quote from: Lab Flaker on October 10, 2024, 10:07:09 PMGood. I'm tired of seeing Truduh's face....and I'm not even Canadian!

Admit it, you're in love with him.
Title: Re: Former PM Stephen Harper's Warnings About Justine Have Come to Pass
Post by: Herman on October 10, 2024, 10:10:48 PM
Quote from: Lab Flaker on October 10, 2024, 10:07:09 PMGood. I'm tired of seeing Truduh's face....and I'm not even Canadian!
He has that affect on folks.
Title: Re: Former PM Stephen Harper's Warnings About Justine Have Come to Pass
Post by: DKG on October 11, 2024, 11:19:45 AM
Stephen Harper was a steady hand at the wheel. Our middle class was was wealthier than the American middle class. Trudeau reversed that.

He schooled Barack Obama on how to respond to the 2008 financial crisis. He encouraged investment. We had prudent spending. And we had an immigration system that worked for Canadians.

Who, doesn't miss our former pm. I mean besides the federal civil service and out of touch academics.
Title: Re: Former PM Stephen Harper's Warnings About Justine Have Come to Pass
Post by: formosan on October 11, 2024, 12:14:56 PM
Quote from: DKG on October 11, 2024, 11:19:45 AMStephen Harper was a steady hand at the wheel. Our middle class was was wealthier than the American middle class. Trudeau reversed that.

He schooled Barack Obama on how to respond to the 2008 financial crisis. He encouraged investment. We had prudent spending. And we had an immigration system that worked for Canadians.

Who, doesn't miss our former pm. I mean besides the federal civil service and out of touch academics.
I never worried what the federal government would do next when Stephen Harper was in charge.....I miss that.