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Mark P. Mills, a senior fellow at the Texas Public Policy Foundation wrote a fascinating report on the future of the American economy:

The quickly settled International Longshoremen's Association strike takes us one more step toward the Great Inversion: a future in which people in the skilled and semi-skilled trades boast higher average wages than most college graduates. If the justification for most college degrees — only 10 percent of them in STEM fields — reduces to their boosting future earning power, then those graduates will have a problem. (Granted: a college education should be about more than just maximizing earnings.)

It has escaped no one's attention that the settlement with the longshoremen's union will bump up annual starting salaries to about $80,000, with mid-career salaries over $150,000. Both benchmarks are higher than those of 90 percent of college grads. The longshoremen's victory will likely set a market norm, not just for union members, who account for just 10 percent of the workforce, but for the skilled workforce at large. The explanation is found at the intersection of technology and demography.

Longshoremen can be a difficult occupation DKG DKG

Spoke with 1 woman I used to work with & her husband regularly worked the graveyard shift to bring home the paycheck to put a roof over their heads.

Long story short he sort of turned psychotic & he ended up beating her up on a regular basis so she finally ended up leaving him along with taking the kids with her.

Sure, they make good money but at what price? Their marriages? Their relationships? Not being able to see their children?

That's a heavy price for a paycheck

Quote from: JOE on October 11, 2024, 11:48:17 AMLongshoremen can be a difficult occupation DKG DKG

Spoke with 1 woman I used to work with & her husband regularly worked the graveyard shift to bring home the paycheck to put a roof over their heads.

Long story short he sort of turned psychotic & he ended up beating her up on a regular basis so she finally ended up leaving him along with taking the kids with her.

Sure, they make good money but at what price? Their marriages? Their relationships? Not being able to see their children?

That's a heavy price for a paycheck

lol, I don't think Seoul can see your post Joe.
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Quote from: formosan on October 11, 2024, 12:13:44 PMlol, I don't think Seoul can see your post Joe.
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Well I don't care formosanF fashionista.

Didn't you say yer husband is in the trades at least somewhat?

I've met/ encountered people in the trades & it's not any easy life

Sure they make a nice paycheck- but often at the expense of their health. Their big challenge is making it to retirement age in 1 piece & in good health.

Theres a reason why they get paid the big bucks cuz they need that money when they get old or disabled to take care of themselves later in life.

josephine cares. FACT!!!

Quote from: Lokmar on October 11, 2024, 01:21:13 PMjosephine cares. FACT!!!

I've met people in the trades & their bodies often get wasted by age 60.

It's not an easy life.

I've met people who've died from drug overdoses. Doing drugs aint easy, josephine!

Quote from: Lokmar on October 11, 2024, 02:17:41 PMI've met people who've died from drug overdoses. Doing drugs aint easy, josephine!

A lotta people in the trades end up bein drug addicts...Lokmar!

Its cuz they take opiates ta mask the pain from injuries they sustained on the job eh?

Quote from: JOE on October 11, 2024, 03:11:36 PMA lotta people in the trades end up bein drug addicts...Lokmar!

Its cuz they take opiates ta hide the pain from injuries they sustained on the job eh?

I've also met people who've never flown on a plane before. That must be very difficult!

Quote from: formosan on October 11, 2024, 12:13:44 PMlol, I don't think Seoul can see your post Joe.
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Trying to talk with someone who has him on ignore. What a Seadummy move. :crampe:

Quote from: DKG on October 11, 2024, 11:22:15 AMMark P. Mills, a senior fellow at the Texas Public Policy Foundation wrote a fascinating report on the future of the American economy:

The quickly settled International Longshoremen's Association strike takes us one more step toward the Great Inversion: a future in which people in the skilled and semi-skilled trades boast higher average wages than most college graduates. If the justification for most college degrees — only 10 percent of them in STEM fields — reduces to their boosting future earning power, then those graduates will have a problem. (Granted: a college education should be about more than just maximizing earnings.)

It has escaped no one's attention that the settlement with the longshoremen's union will bump up annual starting salaries to about $80,000, with mid-career salaries over $150,000. Both benchmarks are higher than those of 90 percent of college grads. The longshoremen's victory will likely set a market norm, not just for union members, who account for just 10 percent of the workforce, but for the skilled workforce at large. The explanation is found at the intersection of technology and demography.

The money is in the trades. They also have high unionization levels.

Quote from: JOE on October 11, 2024, 12:45:56 PMWell I don't care formosanF fashionista.

I'll talk to you Sweetie. I don't care if DKG will not.

Do you want to talk about jobs? Your chcolate coin collection? Your adorable little bald spot?

You can pick the topic honeybunch. Daddy will reply.

Quote from: DKG on October 11, 2024, 11:22:15 AMMark P. Mills, a senior fellow at the Texas Public Policy Foundation wrote a fascinating report on the future of the American economy:

The quickly settled International Longshoremen's Association strike takes us one more step toward the Great Inversion: a future in which people in the skilled and semi-skilled trades boast higher average wages than most college graduates. If the justification for most college degrees — only 10 percent of them in STEM fields — reduces to their boosting future earning power, then those graduates will have a problem. (Granted: a college education should be about more than just maximizing earnings.)

It has escaped no one's attention that the settlement with the longshoremen's union will bump up annual starting salaries to about $80,000, with mid-career salaries over $150,000. Both benchmarks are higher than those of 90 percent of college grads. The longshoremen's victory will likely set a market norm, not just for union members, who account for just 10 percent of the workforce, but for the skilled workforce at large. The explanation is found at the intersection of technology and demography.

I made over three hundred grand USD a year during the peak of my career in upstream oil and gas. That is net too.

I ain't went to university. That pisses off progtard elites.

Let's face it, liberal arts degrees are useless. They are subsidized the same as professional degree programs like business, medicine or engineering, but unlike those majors, they offer no value to society. Unless you consider blocking major urban thoroughfares to bring attention to the climate crisis by forcing cars to idle is worth it to taxpayers.

Quote from: formosan on October 11, 2024, 12:13:44 PMlol, I don't think Seoul can see your post Joe.
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I have those 2 diminutive geriatric nincompoops, Seamunchkin and The Langley Ladyboy on ignore at VF. However, when I make an appearance there(it doesn't happen that often), those 2 are gnawing on my yellow ankles.

I see them after I logout replying to my posts. Pathetic or what.

Quote from: Herman on October 11, 2024, 10:19:31 PMI made over three hundred grand USD a year during the peak of my career in upstream oil and gas. That is net too.

I ain't went to university. That pisses off progtard elites.

But you gotta drinking problem, a wrecked liver & ya paid years of child support, hey Herman Herm? So ya paid da price eh?

Quote from: JOE on October 11, 2024, 01:48:23 PMI've met people in the trades & their bodies often get wasted by age 60.

It's not an easy life.

Stop talking shit Joe. Physical exertion doesn't waste bodies...it builds them. What trades are you inferring to exactly?

josephine aint had pussy since pussy had him!

Quote from: Lokmar on October 12, 2024, 01:34:42 AMjosephine aint had pussy since pussy had him!

Lol. If he's talking about bad backs, shoulders, hips, knees etc...it happens to the best of us after 50 years of age. I've worked/work on the tools and have done lab work in a few industries. Wear and tear is a fact of life.

Did pussy really take him for a ride? Poor bugger...no wonder he's so stint on the cash!
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Quote from: formosan on October 11, 2024, 12:13:44 PMlol, I don't think Seoul can see your post Joe.
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Does Joe still post here?

Quote from: Shen Li on October 11, 2024, 11:56:11 PMI have those 2 diminutive geriatric nincompoops, Seamunchkin and The Langley Ladyboy on ignore at VF. However, when I make an appearance there(it doesn't happen that often), those 2 are gnawing on my yellow ankles.

I see them after I logout replying to my posts. Pathetic or what.

No question that is pathetic.

Quote from: Herman on October 11, 2024, 10:19:31 PMI made over three hundred grand USD a year during the peak of my career in upstream oil and gas. That is net too.

I ain't went to university. That pisses off progtard elites.

I don't know anything about your former industry. But, I have clients that are unionized journeymen travelling from jobsite to jobsite earning over two hundred thousand dollars per year. I have another client that owns a small tool and die shop that netted six hundred thousand dollars last year.

I know apprenticeships are a very good alternative to post secondary education. The gap is growing too.

Quote from: DKG on October 12, 2024, 08:42:07 AMI don't know anything about your former industry. But, I have clients that are unionized journeymen travelling from jobsite to jobsite earning over two hundred thousand dollars per year. I have another client that owns a small tool and die shop that netted six hundred thousand dollars last year.

I know apprenticeships are a very good alternative to post secondary education. The gap is growing too.

My son is in an indentured apprenticeship program at my husband's company..

He always liked tools, so I wasn't surprised he chose a trade.

Quote from: Lab Flaker on October 12, 2024, 01:43:37 AMLol. If he's talking about bad backs, shoulders, hips, knees etc...it happens to the best of us after 50 years of age. I've worked/work on the tools and have done lab work in a few industries. Wear and tear is a fact of life.

Did pussy really take him for a ride? Poor bugger...no wonder he's so stint on the cash!
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I.E. the last pussy he had was when he slid out of his mom......

Quote from: Lokmar on October 12, 2024, 11:43:06 AMI.E. the last pussy he had was when he slid out of his mom......

On behalf of Joe, I say 'Oooouuuucchhh!'  :s_laugh:

Quote from: Shen Li on October 11, 2024, 11:51:46 PMLet's face it, liberal arts degrees are useless. They are subsidized the same as professional degree programs like business, medicine or engineering, but unlike those majors, they offer no value to society. Unless you consider blocking major urban thoroughfares to bring attention to the climate crisis by forcing cars to idle is worth it to taxpayers.

That is something I could support.

Quote from: Lokmar on October 12, 2024, 11:43:06 AMI.E. the last pussy he had was when he slid out of his mom......

That is true actually.

Quote from: Shen Li on October 11, 2024, 11:51:46 PMLet's face it, liberal arts degrees are useless. They are subsidized the same as professional degree programs like business, medicine or engineering, but unlike those majors, they offer no value to society. Unless you consider blocking major urban thoroughfares to bring attention to the climate crisis by forcing cars to idle is worth it to taxpayers.

The democRATs want folks who became journeymen to pay off the student loans of dingbats who thought a degree in drama and theatre arts would get them standing on their own two feet.

Quote from: Herman on October 12, 2024, 08:39:05 PMThe democRATs want folks who became journeymen to pay off the student loans of dingbats who thought a degree in drama and theatre arts would get them standing on their own two feet.

Make liberal arts majors pay the entire cost of their hobby degrees. Apply the savings to lower the cost of business, engineering and medical majors.

Quote from: Shen Li on October 12, 2024, 10:26:45 PMMake liberal arts majors pay the entire cost of their hobby degrees. Apply the savings to lower the cost of business, engineering and medical majors.

...until AI & Robots automate them out of a job, eh Shen Li Shen?

(https://youtu.be/lLZu2Sa8nac?si=XkWPt9l89uN2qm4o)

...like in China where kids worked real hard all their lives to obtain Masters & PhD's in engineering only to end up working for McDonald's eh Shen?

That's probably comin soon ta North America as well Shen when AI arrives full blast.

Quote from: Herman on October 12, 2024, 08:39:05 PMThe democRATs want folks who became journeymen to pay off the student loans of dingbats who thought a degree in drama and theatre arts would get them standing on their own two feet.

Try selling that auto workers in Michigan.