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Title: Abolish the ATF?: Rep. Burlison wants to eliminate 'disaster agency' he says has been violating 2nd Amendment
Post by: Conservative Perspective on November 24, 2024, 11:17:06 AM
Abolish the ATF?: Rep. Burlison wants to eliminate 'disaster agency' he says has been violating 2nd Amendment

Rep. Eric Burlison, R-Mo., plans to introduce a measure to abolish the ATF which then-Rep. Matt Gaetz, R-Fla., previously introduced in 2023.

Source: Abolish the ATF?: Rep. Burlison wants to eliminate 'disaster agency' he says has been violating 2nd Amendment (https://www.foxnews.com/politics/abolish-atf-rep-burlison-wants-eliminate-disaster-agency-he-says-has-been-violating-2nd-amendment)
Title: Re: Abolish the ATF?: Rep. Burlison wants to eliminate 'disaster agency' he says has been violating 2nd Amendment
Post by: Prof Emeritus at Fawk U on November 24, 2024, 12:30:54 PM
The agency needs to be reformed instead of abolished.  Just redefine the investigative powers and set up new rules of engagement.  I'd rather keep them around to deal with people that shouldn't have firearms.
Title: Re: Abolish the ATF?: Rep. Burlison wants to eliminate 'disaster agency' he says has been violating
Post by: Lokmar on November 24, 2024, 01:48:23 PM
Quote from: Prof Emeritus at Fawk U on November 24, 2024, 12:30:54 PMThe agency needs to be reformed instead of abolished.  Just redefine the investigative powers and set up new rules of engagement.  I'd rather keep them around to deal with people that shouldn't have firearms.

State Police have that power already.

The ATF's only real job with firearms these days is making up new regulations that take something legal yesterday and make it illegal overnight. I've seen many recorded interviews with these assholes where they try to entrap people, intimidate them, and through the use of outright lies, try to get people to let them enter their homes without a search warrant.

The Firearms part could be eliminated completely and the duties could be distributed through other agencies. Regulation of alcohol and tobacco could remain. The agency needs to be cut by 2/3rd's of its force because only alcohol really needs heavily regulated. Tobacco has had a major decline in usage.
Title: Re: Abolish the ATF?: Rep. Burlison wants to eliminate 'disaster agency' he says has been violating 2nd Amendment
Post by: Frood on November 24, 2024, 02:05:34 PM
ATF is an illegal agency.
Title: Re: Abolish the ATF?: Rep. Burlison wants to eliminate 'disaster agency' he says has been violating 2nd Amendment
Post by: Prof Emeritus at Fawk U on November 25, 2024, 09:51:16 AM
Quote from: Lokmar on November 24, 2024, 01:48:23 PMState Police have that power already.

The ATF's only real job with firearms these days is making up new regulations that take something legal yesterday and make it illegal overnight. I've seen many recorded interviews with these assholes where they try to entrap people, intimidate them, and through the use of outright lies, try to get people to let them enter their homes without a search warrant.

The Firearms part could be eliminated completely and the duties could be distributed through other agencies. Regulation of alcohol and tobacco could remain. The agency needs to be cut by 2/3rd's of its force because only alcohol really needs heavily regulated. Tobacco has had a major decline in usage.

Yes, you raise some good points.