In reality what does Zelensky need to be grateful for?
realistically?
He's the face man, fall guy and puppet in one of the biggest PONZI schemes the earth has ever seen. And you know who the magician pulling the strings behind the curtain is?
You guessed it. THe US. We provoked, enabled and seek to prolong this conflict
So as the leader of a small nation being used to bear the brunt of a proxy war between the US and Russia which is leading to the unfathomable enrichment of Oligarchs on BOTH SIDES I need to be thankful to you? while you are lining your pockets from a protected position, insulated well from consequence, while I bear all the risks for the chump change you toss me as a reward for selling out my own young warriors? Fuck you
of course Zelensky is not grateful and it really doesn't take a fucking genius to figure out why.
He just knows there's a line he cannot cross or he'll wind up floating face down in the baltic sea. But make no mistake about it. The frustration is wearing on him. and you saw it last week manifest itself in spades.
This is why it was a masterstroke for Trump to kick this guy to the curb. Thus exposing that HE has no part in this scam.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-isnt-first-us-commander-chief-lose-patience-zelenskyy-resurfaced-2022-report
Quote from: Biggie Smiles on March 02, 2025, 12:47:52 PMIn reality what does Zelensky need to be grateful for?
realistically?
He's the face man, fall guy and puppet in one of the biggest PONZI schemes the earth has ever seen. And you know who the magician pulling the strings behind the curtain is?
You guessed it. THe US. We provoked, enabled and seek to prolong this conflict
So as the leader of a small nation being used to bear the brunt of a proxy war between the US and Russia which is leading to the unfathomable enrichment of Oligarchs on BOTH SIDES I need to be thankful to you? while you are lining your pockets from a protected position while I bear all the risks for the chump change you toss me as a reward for selling out my own young warriors? Fuck you
of course Zelensky is not grateful and it really doesn't take a fucking genius to figure out why.
He just knows there's a line he cannot cross or he'll wind up floating face down in the baltic sea. But make no mistake about it. The frustration is wearing on him. and you saw it last week manifest itself in spades.
This is why it was a masterstroke for Trump to kick this guy to the curb. Thus exposing that HE has no part in this scam.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-isnt-first-us-commander-chief-lose-patience-zelenskyy-resurfaced-2022-report
Best post.
I love Trump to death, but to be frank, I would have cheered Zelensky on and said "that's a man on fire" if he would have said to Trump
grateful? fuck you! grateful for what? Have you seen the devastation my country has endured to line the pockets of your scumbag duopoly and the industrial war complex which feeds them?
thankful for the pennies you toss me so that my wife can shop in Prague while my youngest and bravest lives are being thrown away senselessly on a battlefield which should not exist in the first place?
Thankful for the fact that you installed, promoted and prodded me with one goal in mind? To use me as a mouthpiece in your greater plan to provoke a proxy war with Russia under the false pretense that joining NATO would prevent RUssian aggression -- when in fact, it turns out that this very act is the seed which grew into the tree of war we see before us today and you have YET to grant me entry into this cool kids club?
See -- I'm a man of honor and integrity so I wouldn't be in Zelenskie's shoes to begin with. But if, by some weird happenstance I happened to be in Zelenski's shoes Thursday afternoon I would have rose to the occasion history called -- with all the media and world watching and told Trump to get fucked if he thinks he's ever getting an ounce of gratitude out of me for all of that.
I would have told him to his face - with the world watching, that this was a business arrangement and business partners are rarely ""grateful"" when the partners honors the terms of their agreements.
Yeah, I would have had a mysterious ""accident"" where a plastic bag just so happened to be floating by me as I stood atop the roof of a skyscraper and wrapped itself tightly around my face and suddenly caused me to fall off said rooftop with my hands tied behind my back but at least I'd die with my honor.
Quote from: Biggie Smiles on March 02, 2025, 12:47:52 PMIn reality what does Zelensky need to be grateful for?
realistically?
He's the face man, fall guy and puppet in one of the biggest PONZI schemes the earth has ever seen. And you know who the magician pulling the strings behind the curtain is?
You guessed it. THe US. We provoked, enabled and seek to prolong this conflict
So as the leader of a small nation being used to bear the brunt of a proxy war between the US and Russia which is leading to the unfathomable enrichment of Oligarchs on BOTH SIDES I need to be thankful to you? while you are lining your pockets from a protected position, insulated well from consequence, while I bear all the risks for the chump change you toss me as a reward for selling out my own young warriors? Fuck you
of course Zelensky is not grateful and it really doesn't take a fucking genius to figure out why.
He just knows there's a line he cannot cross or he'll wind up floating face down in the baltic sea. But make no mistake about it. The frustration is wearing on him. and you saw it last week manifest itself in spades.
This is why it was a masterstroke for Trump to kick this guy to the curb. Thus exposing that HE has no part in this scam.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-isnt-first-us-commander-chief-lose-patience-zelenskyy-resurfaced-2022-report
Fucking BULLSEYE!!
Zelensky has done a 180. He is now ready to sign a peace deal with the States that includes rare earth minerals.
Quote from: Brent on March 03, 2025, 12:03:08 PMZelensky has done a 180. He is now ready to sign a peace deal with the States that includes rare earth minerals.
If that deal is still on the table.
If Americans go mine in the Ukraine they will get murdered..
I think America should just cut its losses..
That is not a safe country, Ukraine that is.
Anyway, I apologize if I am wrong.
Quote from: caskur on March 03, 2025, 03:34:38 PMIf Americans go mine in the Ukraine they will get murdered..
I think America should just cut its losses..
That is not a safe country, Ukraine that is.
Anyway, I apologize if I am wrong.
No need to apologize. But, you are wrong.
Quote from: Thiel on March 03, 2025, 01:50:11 PMIf that deal is still on the table.
It is not. It is dead in the water. That is a quote from Secretary of the Treasury Scott Bessent's mouth.
Quote from: Herman on March 03, 2025, 08:55:04 PMNo need to apologize. But, you are wrong.
You can't just say that without an explanation.
https://youtu.be/HOJS3qQlVjE?si=2bh8KbmjPLWPrylI
Quote from: Brent on March 03, 2025, 12:03:08 PMZelensky has done a 180. He is now ready to sign a peace deal with the States that includes rare earth minerals.
Except I seem to recall peace talks being on the table before. Twice in fact. Vlad and Vlod were prepared to meet and discuss terms for a cessation of hostilities.
One of those occasions was scuttled in short order by a personal visit from Boris Johnson. The other one by the Biden administration. And if we are to be honest, Zelenskyy is not exactly up to facing down those two assholes. Even if he were, I'm sure it would have been made abundantly clear at the time of the likelihood of assassination attempt(s) from Ukrainian oligarchs, sympathetic to the health of their bank accounts and the clandestine USAID donations that might have enriched them.
"Play the game our way, and you can pocket those incentives for yourself." I would not be surprised in the slightest to learn that words to that effect were expressed to Vlodimir.
Well, hell. USAID incentives are now off the table, and there is a new administration in town that is keen to collect on the debts incurred by the previous one. But not to worry, everyone is saying how unpopular the head of this administration is, so young Vlodimir figures he can put that upstart game show host in his place to the roars of approval of his peers, right?
Errr, "bad call, brother." Because Donald is out of fucks to give at this point. I can put myself in his shoes; he has literally had everything imaginable thrown at him, and he's still standing. "Fuck you pal, you need us and you owe us. You and your grifter pals want to be cunts about it? Buh bye Felicia."
Now of course, the EU is trying to hit the US where it hurts. Which is kind of hard to do when you're so reliant on their favour. Like in the form of NATO dues which the US contributes a disproportionate amount to, never mind the insane amount of pork barreling that was being voted into existence during the dying days of the Biden administration.
I don't envy Zelenskyy one bit and any sympathy I might show would be reserved for the Ukrainians themselves, fucked over as they have been by their weak leader and the western nations who, after making much disparaging comment about their nazi connections over the many years of Ukraine shelling their own citizens suddenly decided that these nazis were their allies "because Russia". Was it not Obama that once said "the 1980s called... they want their foreign policy back"? And who presided over Crimea gaining their independence from Ukraine, only to willingly accept being annexed by Mother Russia 24 hours later?
I would even show some sympathy for the denizens of Europe and Britain. The left craps on about colonialism all the time... maybe they might shut their mealy mouths when it comes to supporting NATO which has been trying to subsume everything in its path in spite of its promise to do otherwise back in '91.
But I won't show sympathy for the US peoples - they don't need it. Instead I will cheer them and their president on. Their example of standing on your own two feet while reaching for the stars is something to be admired and emulated. Fuck this global welfare crap; the people it favours are few and far between. And anyone looking to force a return to it (Norway, I'm looking at you) then maybe they too can lick their wounds and beg for a seat at the US's table when "drill baby drill" starts yielding dividends.
Assuming of course that the US doesn't make its peace with Russia and similarly BRICS aligned interests in the interim. Stranger things have happened.
Like the time a certain US president crossed into the Korean DMZ to shake the hand of a foreign dignitary... and make a present of a certain Elton John record to him. :evilthoughts2:
https://youtu.be/BdEe5SpdIuo?feature=shared
The US paused military aid to Ukraine.
Since the war began in 2022, the US has sent at least $175 billion in aid, including cash and military equipment, to support Ukrainian defense efforts.
Quote from: Herman on March 03, 2025, 08:56:50 PMIt is not. It is dead in the water. That is a quote from Secretary of the Treasury Scott Bessent's mouth.
I've seen this play before. It's not beyond the realms of possibility that a deal involving mineral rights might still be struck, but it's likely going to require a lot of groveling on Zelenskyy's part. Possibly a few EU actors as well.
I imagine the next "Big Ask" is going to be bigger than the last. It's in the US interest that this be so. Otherwise it's guaran-fucking-teed that Zelenskyy won't be the last asshole wandering into the White House expecting Trump to play Lando Calrissian to their Darth Vader.
But with Trump you just never know. It may be that he settles for a smaller portion of the mineral rights in return for a commensurate reduction in support - a generous face saver for Zelenskyy and his leftist twats who can claim a win over the Wicked Orangeman Villain while he gets to balance the books on what Ukraine's minerals provide. A third of their mineral wealth is better than none at all. This line of thinking is right up his alley.
I gotta admire Trump for that.
Quote from: DKG on March 04, 2025, 07:15:30 AMThe US paused military aid to Ukraine.
So I hear. "Good". No point in pussyfooting about, I heard the exchange between Trump and Zelenskyy, complete with interjections from Vance and I wholeheartedly agree with the result thus far.
If any one of you treated me like that in my house, I'd kick you the fuck out too. And I would expect no less from any of you if I were stupid enough to reverse the roles.
Quote from: DKG on March 04, 2025, 07:15:30 AMThe US paused military aid to Ukraine.
Since the war began in 2022, the US has sent at least $175 billion in aid, including cash and military equipment, to support Ukrainian defense efforts.
How much 10 years before?
Quote from: Frood on March 04, 2025, 07:33:40 AMHow much 10 years before?
Forgive him; his understanding of the war was bequeathed to him by outlets like the Toronto Sun.
Quote from: Herman on March 03, 2025, 08:56:50 PMIt is not. It is dead in the water. That is a quote from Secretary of the Treasury Scott Bessent's mouth.
For now.
Aint this interesting. Zelenskyy met with Democrats before supposed signing meeting with Trump.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s01Xa1LmCOQ
Heh, Bawwstrayya's Prime Mincer has just said he'll commit to sending Australian troops into Ukraine. I guess he figures virtue signaling to a brokeassed EU is more important than say... addressing the impending humanitarian crisis about to unfold on the Queensland border.
Cyclone Albert (so named because the name on their list... Anthony... was deemed to be too damaging to the prime mincer's reelection chances, I wish I were making this up)... Cyclone Albert is due to smash into Brisbane sometime within the next 24 hours, its effects will be felt over 500 miles of coastal region. its associated flood surge even further, impacting millions of Aussies who shall struggle like any other third world nation to claw their lives back together.
And this clown is wanking on about sending resources to Ukraine instead. Americans will have seen this exact play before... as recently as last year in fact. They at least had the sense to elect someone with a semblance of a spine.
Those who wish to continue the endless war want you to believe that Ukraine must join NATO to ensure its ongoing security in a ceasefire deal. The opposite is true. Russia lost, and it did so without NATO involvement. Russia failed to achieve its primary objective — taking full control of Ukraine. The notion that Russia is poised to invade Poland or other NATO countries is unfounded. Without NATO involvement, Moscow has already demonstrated its limitations.
Quote from: Brent on March 06, 2025, 12:22:20 PMRussia failed to achieve its primary objective — taking full control of Ukraine.
That was never Russia's objective.
Russia even said, from the beginning, that wasn't its objective.
Anyone saying that it is/was Russia's objective is not telling you the truth.
Quote from: Garraty_47 on March 06, 2025, 01:37:27 PMThat was never Russia's objective.
Russia even said, from the beginning, that wasn't its objective.
Anyone saying that it is/was Russia's objective is not telling you the truth.
This is the truth, but the media says conquering all of Ukraine was the objective.
Quote from: Thiel on March 06, 2025, 01:42:09 PMThis is the truth, but the media says conquering all of Ukraine was the objective.
The media exists to manufacture consent.
They can't do that by telling the truth complete with relevant contexts.
They do it with obfuscation, misdirection, strategic withholding of information, and outright lies.
Quote from: Garraty_47 on March 06, 2025, 01:37:27 PMThat was never Russia's objective.
Russia even said, from the beginning, that wasn't its objective.
Anyone saying that it is/was Russia's objective is not telling you the truth.
I believe that.
Quote from: Garraty_47 on March 06, 2025, 02:34:33 PMThe media exists to manufacture consent.
They can't do that by telling the truth complete with relevant contexts.
They do it with obfuscation, misdirection, strategic withholding of information, and outright lies.
It never ceases to amaze me how dreadfully stupid the average person is to actually buy into that absurd narrative the media puppets are trying to promote
Putin's initial response was a conditional one. ie: Join NATO (which ultimately results in rockets 7 minutes from Moscow) and I will be forced to invade Ukraine to prevent that outcome. A concern not all that different from one espoused by JFK when Russia opted to place nuclear warheads 90 miles off American shores.
But.....
and here's were a modicum of intelligence is required.. DONT join NATO and things remain the way they are.
Easy peasy. A simple
if then logic any day one programmer should be able to understand.
The fact that he ultimately followed through on a conditional threat simply because the trigging condition was met hardly proves that the man had the intent to invade all along.
In fact, someone of my mental majesty would argue the point in reverse and say it is NATO who had nefarious intent all along and prodded Ukraine to be the sacrificial lamb in a broader scheme to line their own pockets. ie: Goad Putin into an invasion which he would have preferred to avoid
And I substantiate my argument with this simple irrefutable fact.
The war has been going on for nearly four years now. Millions have died with the precursors being a pact designed to deter the very fucking thing that has happened and continues to happen and to this fucking day the sacrificial lamb remains a NATO outcast.
They also never mention that the original peace accords only stipulated that Ukraine cease hostilities in the Donbass region (which they'd been attacking since 2014) and honor those territories' political neutrality... Ukraine didn't have to cede that part of their country at all.
Only when Ukraine/NATO pissed on those terms did Russia do what it had to do in order to protect the ethnic Russians living in the Donbass and now it's too late to put that back on the table. Ukraine will never get that territory back nor should they.
If Voldemort knows what's good for him he'll "retire" to a Mediterranean villa before either the Banderites in his own country lynch him or the west decides to 'neutralize' an inconvenient pawn no longer of any use.
Quote from: Garraty_47 on March 07, 2025, 02:24:34 PMThey also never mention that the original peace accords only stipulated that Ukraine cease hostilities in the Donbass region (which they'd been attacking since 2014) and honor those territories' political neutrality... Ukraine didn't have to cede that part of their country at all.
Only when Ukraine/NATO pissed on those terms did Russia do what it had to do in order to protect the ethnic Russians living in the Donbass and now it's too late to put that back on the table. Ukraine will never get that territory back nor should they.
If Voldemort knows what's good for him he'll "retire" to a Mediterranean villa before either the Banderites in his own country lynch him or the west decides to 'neutralize' an inconvenient pawn no longer of any use.
Kadafi / sadamm-- part II
Aspecial envoy of the Trump administration said that Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy had apologized in a letter to President Donald Trump and called it "progress" toward a minerals deal.
Special envoy to the Middle East Steve Witkoff told Fox News that Zelenskyy had reached out to make amends after an explosive disagreement between him, the president, and the vice president over a proposed minerals deal.
Quote from: Biggie Smiles on March 02, 2025, 01:05:06 PMgrateful? fuck you! grateful for what? Have you seen the devastation my country
But Trump did acknowledge the countries devastation and Zelensky shut him down saying the country is still standing and people are working and children are still going to school.....sometimes in the underground.... blah blah blah.