THeBlueCashew

The two prairie provinces have contributed $650 billion more to confederation than they have received.

They have very reasonable demands. If they do not get them, I support them seeking independence and I hope they are successful as a nation or as an American state.

While Quebec's separatism garnered supportive responses from the Canadian establishment, Alberta faces genuine animosity, with only those Albertans opposing the oil and gas industry being respected.

Quote from: Edward on May 13, 2025, 10:58:36 PMThe two prairie provinces have contributed $650 billion more to confederation than they have received.

They have very reasonable demands. If they do not get them, I support them seeking independence and I hope they are successful as a nation or as an American state.

See what happens when yoy Chugs put down the hand sanitzer. You can produce a cogent thought.

I read from a non msm source that suport for independence falls significantly if a two more major tidewater pipelines were approved and built.

The Eastern based Liberals have never treated the two prarie provinces fairly so I will not hold my breath.

The wealthy people like myself live in Vancouver. People who live in the prairies are hillbilly bums.

Quote from: DKG on May 14, 2025, 07:17:28 PMI read from a non msm source that suport for independence falls significantly if a two more major tidewater pipelines were approved and built.

The Eastern based Liberals have never treated the two prarie provinces fairly so I will not hold my breath.

I lived in Alberta for 30 years. That's prolly accurate.

I hope Mark Carnage continues the war on the West. Trudeau and co. Cost my former province $200 billion in investments, something like 100, 000 good jobs, raised the cost of power while taking $20 billion a year from Alberta to buy votes in Ontario and Quebec.

None of this would happen if Alberta was an American state. They have triple E senate, a clear division of federal and state jurisdictions in the constitution, congressional seats are divided equally and no corrupt equalization payments. However, the reason I want Alberta to be a US state is that my investments in Alberta would be dollarized. :yeahhh:

It appears Carney recignizes he cannot continue with the trampling on Alberta and Saskatchewan like Trudeau did. His pick for Energy and Resources Tim Hodgson has struck a more conciliatory tone with the pariarie provinces.

We shall see if this leads to respect for Alberta's right to develop it's economy. A good start would be at least amending C-69 and C-48 and most importantly, encouraging private companies to propose another Energy East while assuring them that this time it will be approved in a timely manner.

That would go a long way to end the unity crisis.

You blue collar prairie earth rapers are going to love my new Environment and Climate Change Minister Julie Dabrusin. :laugh:

Quote from: DKG on May 15, 2025, 10:53:10 AMIt appears Carney recignizes he cannot continue with the trampling on Alberta and Saskatchewan like Trudeau did. His pick for Energy and Resources Tim Hodgson has struck a more conciliatory tone with the pariarie provinces.

We shall see if this leads to respect for Alberta's right to develop it's economy. A good start would be at least amending C-69 and C-48 and most importantly, encouraging private companies to propose another Energy East while assuring them that this time it will be approved in a timely manner.

That would go a long way to end the unity crisis.

I'm a Liberal voter DKG DKG

But I support an Energy East pipeline. Apparently so do a majority of Quebeckers according to recent polls.

Increased trade with Europe only helps Quebec & helps strengthen French culture in Canada. More European trade means more French immigrants which increases the Francophone population.

I don't know why some can't see the benefits of a renewed Energy East pipeline.

If BC accepted an expansion of its Port Moody pipeline Quebec should accept the Energy East pipeline too.

Conman Carney's "new cabinet." They did not even put lipstick on the pig.
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Quote from: Mark Carney on May 15, 2025, 02:20:18 PMYou blue collar prairie earth rapers are going to love my new Environment and Climate Change Minister Julie Dabrusin. :laugh:

As someone who wants my former province to become an American state, I'm thrilled with Carnage's choice for the Enviro ministry. :yeahhh:

Quote from: Shen Li on May 15, 2025, 08:12:05 PMAs someone who wants my former province to become an American state, I'm thrilled with Carnage's choice for the Enviro ministry. :yeahhh:

She will be a continuation of the climate lunacy of Steven Guilbeault. Our biggest exports remain at the mercy of one customer. Canada loses again.

Quote from: Shen Li on May 15, 2025, 08:12:05 PMAs someone who wants my former province to become an American state, I'm thrilled with Carnage's choice for the Enviro ministry. :yeahhh:

Thanks, that means a lot to me.

Enough of the Liberal party's bullshit.
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The Trudeau Liberals zealous pursuit of shutting down the oil and gas industries in Canada has resulted in $670 billion of investment lost in abandoned resource projects in the last decade, according to industry media source EnergyNow. There is a total of 31 projects that have been shelved since 2015, including Northern Gateway pipeline, a $7.9 billion investment that Trudeau himself vowed in 2014 he would personally kill. There was also Energy East pipeline ($15.7 billion), Pacific Northwest LNG (a $36 billion export plant), Energie Saguenay ($20 billion LNG plant), and Mackenzie Valley Pipeline (joint-venture partnership with Aboriginal Pipeline Group at estimated cost of $16.2 billion). The Trudeau government is prone to herald their involvement with Trans Mountain, but this is no success to boast about: an abandoned pipeline project purchased by the Crown for $4.4 billion and an estimated cost of completion of $7.4 billion in 2018 and then completed in 2024 at a final cost of $30.9 billion of taxpayers' dollars.

The Liberals have cost Alberta and Saskatchewan $670 billion. If Carney wants to prove he is a national leader he should fast track a pipeline to Prince Rupert.

Bell: Smith to Carney — Wanted Now, a pipeline to Prince Rupert, B.C.
'The project I've been looking at is a revival of the Northern Gateway project to the port of Prince Rupert,' says Premier Danielle Smith

What does Alberta Premier Danielle Smith want? What does Smith want right now?

What does she want from Prime Minister Mark Carney?

Smith presented Carney with nine demands. She wants Carney to roll back the harmful Liberal laws and regulations attacking Alberta and Alberta's oilpatch.

She gave him six months. End of October. Near Halloween.

If Carney isn't moving in Alberta's direction it could get scary.

The premier answers this scribbler by saying she will express what she wants right now in practical terms.


Carney says he's interested in fast-tracking projects, here is Smith's project.

"The project I've been looking at is a revival of the Northern Gateway pipeline to the port of Prince Rupert," says  Smith.

"Because when you look at that particular route it gives us access to all the Asian markets and gives us a preference of being able to get our product there over any country in the world."

Smith talks about eight to 10 days to South Korea and Japan and on to the east coast of India with all the other nations in between.

"Being able to create new markets there with additional export of bitumen is going to be incredibly important," says the Alberta premier.

She adds the biggest refinery of heavy oil is in India.

Four South Korean refineries have already received shipment of Trans Mountain heavy oil.

"They like it and they want more of it," says Smith.

What does it all mean?

Well the pipeline would have to be fast-tracked so you don't have to wait 10 years for an approval "and so it is de-risked to a point where somebody will come along and build it," says Smith.

If you get someone wanting to build the pipeline with the fast-track approval and that pipeline goes to the port of Prince Rupert there can no longer be a tanker ban because you need the boats to get the product overseas.

For Smith, you also can't very well have a cap on oil emissions because "if you want to increase your exports you can't have an emissions cap that acts as a production cap."

And, Smith adds, Ottawa can't layer on their own carbon tax regime because people won't invest here.

If Carney makes all that happen, for Smith, that would signal he is serious about changing things.

"That's what I'll be looking at as an indicator of whether the federal government is going to meet us part way," she says.

Well, what if it doesn't happen?

Smith was hopeful when she spoke with Carney two weeks ago.

But Carney is the master of double-talk and, in his inner circle, he has a lot of the seat-warmers from the Liberal government of former prime minister Justin Trudeau and a few like green guru Steven Guilbeault who was just talking down more pipelines.

There is also a new environment minister in the Carney Liberal government who is cast as a Guilbeault clone.

Smith says she knows of several projects being floated stateside. These projects would get more Alberta oil and gas into the United States.

"What do you think it's going to do to national unity if it's easier for Alberta to get its product to the United States than through British Columbia or through eastern Canada?"

The premier asks whether words were said "just to win elections" or "whether words were said because we're serious about trading with each other and supporting each other and we're serious about finding new markets for our products."

Smith says we will know pretty soon whether or not Alberta is going to have to switch its focus to expanding its relationship with the United States or whether our fellow Canadians are serious about Team Canada being on Team Alberta.

There is some hope.

Smith thinks it is "fantastic" Quebec Premier Francois Legault figures maybe, just maybe, a pipeline could pass through the northern part of his home province.

The premier sees it as a sign premiers and provinces want to work together.

Albertans will remain skeptical until we get well beyond talk, talk and more talk.

Alberta has been burned too many times to accept anything until it is carved in stone.

And Smith, who is trying to get a new deal for Alberta working within a united Canada, knows full well what could happen if the province doesn't get a win, a big win, soon.
https://calgaryherald.com/opinion/columnists/bell-smith-to-carney-wanted-now-a-pipeline-to-prince-rupert-b-c

Quote from: Eddie the chug on May 17, 2025, 07:25:48 PMThe Trudeau Liberals zealous pursuit of shutting down the oil and gas industries in Canada has resulted in $670 billion of investment lost in abandoned resource projects in the last decade, according to industry media source EnergyNow. There is a total of 31 projects that have been shelved since 2015, including Northern Gateway pipeline, a $7.9 billion investment that Trudeau himself vowed in 2014 he would personally kill. There was also Energy East pipeline ($15.7 billion), Pacific Northwest LNG (a $36 billion export plant), Energie Saguenay ($20 billion LNG plant), and Mackenzie Valley Pipeline (joint-venture partnership with Aboriginal Pipeline Group at estimated cost of $16.2 billion). The Trudeau government is prone to herald their involvement with Trans Mountain, but this is no success to boast about: an abandoned pipeline project purchased by the Crown for $4.4 billion and an estimated cost of completion of $7.4 billion in 2018 and then completed in 2024 at a final cost of $30.9 billion of taxpayers' dollars.

See what happens Eddie when you Chugs put down the sanitizer bottle. You can think almost as clearly as us White fellas.

Eddie the Chug is right about the Liberals treating the prairie provinces like ATM's while trampling their economies.

Well known economist likes the idea of an Alberta Accord to address areas where that province is taking it in the ass from the federal Liberals.

https://thehub.ca/2025/05/15/trevor-tombe-why-an-alberta-accord-makes-sense/
Today, concern around the "fair" allocation of federal finances is one of the main flashpoints, followed closely by demands for greater infrastructure.

Newfoundland and Labrador has taken the federal government to court over the equalization formula, and in a recent televised address Alberta's premier Danielle Smith called for eliminating uneven transfers between the four largest provinces; saying there is "no excuse for such large and powerful economies like Ontario, Quebec, B.C., or Alberta to be subsidizing one another."

Following Premier Smith's address, much of the focus has been on the issue of rising separatist sentiment in the province, with now roughly one in three residents expressing support for leaving Canada.

But separation can distract from more concrete issues the provincial government has with federal policy. Issues that it hopes to raise directly. The province will create a special negotiating team to engage with Ottawa over infrastructure, emissions policies, transfers, trade policy, and more.

While many might want to avoid any talk of an "Alberta Accord," perhaps out of concern it legitimizes separatists in the province, that would be a mistake.

Whatever one thinks of the specific points raised by Alberta's government, managing regional tensions is an important way in which we govern ourselves in this highly decentralized country. Time and again, federal policy has responded flexibly to regional concerns. Not always, of course, but often—even when the rhetoric of provincial political leaders gets a little out of hand.

Federal-provincial fights are normal
Debates over federal transfers are a good example of this. At some point or another, leaders from nearly all provinces representing nearly all political parties have raised heated concerns over federal transfers.

One premier (a Liberal one from Ontario, to be clear) once called the equalization program "perverse and nonsensical," and several other provinces have taken the federal government to court over it, from the Social Credit in B.C. to the NDP in Saskatchewan.

Sometimes, provinces make dramatic symbolic gestures to show just how frustrated they are. Joey Smallwood, Newfoundland's first premier after joining Confederation, once draped government buildings in black, flew flags at half-mast, and declared the province in mourning after talks with Ottawa over fiscal arrangements broke down. (A crowd then burned Prime Minister Diefenbaker in effigy.)

Less well known to many Canadians today is that these conflicts even predate Confederation itself. Upper and Lower Canada spent decades fighting over how to divvy up tariff revenues. The British Parliament had to step in more than once. At one point, Upper Canadian leaders even tried to annex Montreal to gain access to a port (and other reasons). Even implicit redistribution received its share of attention. George Brown, one of the Fathers of Confederation, often complained that Canada West (i.e., Ontario) contributed three-quarters of the united province's revenue but received only half the spending.

Nova Scotia's Joseph Howe even led Canada's first separatist movement, arguing that the province had been shortchanged.

Ottawa responded with "better terms" that helped ease tensions. And this early example of how federal governments respond is notable.

Why federal flexibility matters

Time and again, when tensions flared, Ottawa adjusted. From special grants to Manitoba, to generous early terms for Alberta and Saskatchewan, to increased debt allowances for Ontario and Quebec, the list goes on. And today, even equalization goes through significant reforms in response to provincial demands. Today's formula, after all, exists in no small part due to former prime minister Paul Martin's response to concerns raised by Newfoundland and Labrador.

This history doesn't mean provincial concerns are always justified—but it does mean they're normal. It's baked into the very nature of our federation. Canada is vast and highly diverse. Federal policy can't possibly satisfy every region, every year.

That's why flexibility matters. A federal government that refuses to respond to regional pressures is the exception, not the rule. Special arrangements—tailored to regional realities—are a vital part of keeping the federation together.

Today, Premier Smith's recent address reminds us once again just how deep those tensions can run. Whatever one thinks of the merits of the premier's concerns, her remarks tap into longstanding frustrations over federal finances, energy policies, and infrastructure.

The federal government has responded to such frustrations in the past, and today should be no different. An "Alberta Accord" or something similar may very well be a useful and necessary step forward.

Roll up our sleeves and get in there
Canada's regional diversity is not a weakness, but an asset.

Even when such diversity causes tension and, dare I say, alienation, it can be a good thing.

Former prime minister Pierre Trudeau thought so, at least. Regional loyalties naturally develop, he observed in 1969, and central government policies will always involve "making some allocation of resources which means we're taxing one part of the country to help another; or putting tariffs on one part of the country to help another...this is inevitable in a country of this size."

But he wisely noted that the danger to Canada is in only looking at policy through the lens of "one regional point of view." Something both federal and provincial governments have been known to do.

The challenge for our political leaders is to recognize moments of tension as opportunities to both understand unique regional concerns and to try and address them.

For Trudeau senior, the solution was not to break up the country, but to "roll up our sleeves and not just gripe and bitch, but get in there..."

The call for negotiations around an Alberta Accord may be an opportunity to do just that.


Trevor Tombe

Quote from: Herman on May 17, 2025, 09:01:58 PMRoll up our sleeves and get in there
Canada's regional diversity is not a weakness, but an asset.

Even when such diversity causes tension and, dare I say, alienation, it can be a good thing.

Former prime minister Pierre Trudeau thought so, at least. Regional loyalties naturally develop, he observed in 1969, and central government policies will always involve "making some allocation of resources which means we're taxing one part of the country to help another; or putting tariffs on one part of the country to help another...this is inevitable in a country of this size."

But he wisely noted that the danger to Canada is in only looking at policy through the lens of "one regional point of view." Something both federal and provincial governments have been known to do.

The challenge for our political leaders is to recognize moments of tension as opportunities to both understand unique regional concerns and to try and address them.

For Trudeau senior, the solution was not to break up the country, but to "roll up our sleeves and not just gripe and bitch, but get in there..."

The call for negotiations around an Alberta Accord may be an opportunity to do just that.


Trevor Tombe

Even if the Liberals showed some goodwill to Alberta(they never will) like they do Quebec, it's too little too late.

Fuck Canada, we expats want our investments dollarized.

Quote from: Shen Li on May 17, 2025, 10:09:07 PMEven if the Liberals showed some goodwill to Alberta(they never will) like they do Quebec, it's too little too late.

Fuck Canada, we expats want our investments dollarized.

Unfortunately, yer not gonna get it Shen Li Shen.

Those resources belong to the People of Canada.

Quote from: JOE on May 17, 2025, 10:32:02 PMUnfortunately, yer not gonna get it Shen Li Shen.

Those resources belong to the People of Canada.

Jo Jo you are so cute but seriously misinformed. In 1930 natural-resource rights were transferred by the federal government to the Prairie provinces.

But, your post was not a reply to what Ms Li's post. She never mentioned resource ownership.

What did I tell you Sweetie after we had sex last night about changing the subject. You don't want to lose your allowance do you. That will mean no chocolate gold coins and lube.

Quote from: Thiel on May 18, 2025, 01:34:50 AMJo Jo you are so cute but seriously misinformed. In 1930 natural-resource rights were transferred by the federal government to the Prairie provinces.

Correct.

I heard that Alberta and Saskatchewan NDP parties want to amend that and give it back to Ottawa. I assume that kind of federal control they dream of is because the Liberals are a permanent governing party and they want to keep prairie natural resource wealth in the ground.

Quote from: DKG on May 18, 2025, 09:40:55 AMCorrect.

I heard that Alberta and Saskatchewan NDP parties want to amend that and give it back to Ottawa. I assume that kind of federal control they dream of is because the Liberals are a permanent governing party and they want to keep prairie natural resource wealth in the ground.

That is more recent. When I was an NDP supporter we were less centralist. That was before urban globalists hijacked our party and shit on the old blue collar base.

It is a dang shame that folks in Central Canada cannot figure this out.
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rom 1981 to 2022 (the latest year of available data), Albertans' net contribution to the CPP—meaning the amount Albertans paid into the program over and above what retirees in Alberta received in CPP benefit payments—was $53.6 billion. British Columbia was the only other province where workers paid more into the CPP than retirees received in benefits—and Alberta's contribution was six times greater than B.C.'s contribution.

On equalization—Canada's transfer program aimed at ensuring each province can provide comparable levels of public services—Alberta has not received payments since 1964/65. In 2022 (the latest year of available data), the federal government spent $21.9 billion on equalization while 13.5 per cent of total federal revenue came from Alberta, which means Alberta taxpayers contributed an estimated $3.0 billion to the equalization program that year—while receiving no payments.

More broadly, Alberta's total net contribution to federal finances and national programs (that is, total federal taxes and payments paid by Albertans minus federal money spent or transferred to Albertans) was $244.6 billion from 2007 to 2022—more than five times more than the net contribution from British Columbians or Ontarians (the only other two net contributors) despite Alberta's smaller population.
So that's the reality—Alberta massively overcontributes to federal and national programs. But that's not necessarily a problem, in and of itself. The problem is that despite Alberta's outsized importance within Canada, Albertans have faced a barrage of federal policies that disproportionately and negatively impact the province including Bill C-69 (which imposes complex, uncertain and onerous review requirements on major energy projects), Bill C-48 (which bans large oil tankers off B.C.'s northern coast and limits access to Asian markets), an arbitrary cap on oil and gas emissions, numerous "net-zero" targets, and so on.
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I hope my fellow chugs in Alberta vote yes in the independence referendum.

I believe independence would be better for Chugs like Eddie.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nIYluPweuQI

Top 5 Myths About Alberta Separation — Debunked

1. First Nations have a veto over separation. X False. Indigenous communities have a constitutional right to be consulted - not to veto a province-wide democratic decision. The Supreme Court is clear: a successful referendum mandates negotiation.
2. Separation is illegal in Canada. X False. The Supreme Court's Clarity Act ruling confirms that provinces can begin negotiations if a clear majority votes in favour.
3. We'd lose access to trade. X False. Alberta already exports globally. Independence means negotiating directly - with more agility, not less.
4. We're dependent on equalization. X False. Alberta receives $0 in equalization and sends over $20B a year to Ottawa - far more than it gets back.
5. The economy would collapse. X False. Alberta has one of the strongest economies in North America - larger than many independent nations.

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So true!

Quote from: Shen Li on May 25, 2025, 02:02:15 AMSo true!

The federal government uses the carrot and stick. The carrot for Quebec and the stick on the prairie provinces.

Steven Guilbeault was lying again. He said this.

"The Canadian energy regulator, as well as the International Energy Agency, are telling us that probably by 2028, 2029, demand for oil will peak globally and it will also peak in Canada."


"So... before we start talking about building an entirely new pipeline, maybe we should maximize the use of existing infrastructure." He went on to claim that the Trans Mountain Expansion Project (TMX), which came online in 2024, was running at only 40 per cent capacity. This was wildly incorrect: in 2024, TMX ran at 77 per cent capacity, and that share is projected to grow over the years to reach 96 per cent in 2028.

As for peak oil, Guilbeault was also very likely wrong. For years, activists have claimed that the highest volumes of oil consumption were just over the horizon, only to be proven wrong time and time again. Just like how the deadline on COVID restrictions of "two weeks to flatten the curve" was stretched to two years, the impending decline of oil constantly moved farther and farther out.

The theory was first put forward in 1956. Geologist and Shell researcher M. King Hubbert put forward a paper predicting the beginning of the end of U.S. oil production somewhere between 1965 and 1971. This was a fearsome prospect because life in the developed world was dependent on cheap, readily available energy, and its absence (and subsequent increase in price) could reverse hard-fought economic progress.

For a time, he appeared to be right: when the early 1970s hit, oil production in the United States began falling slowly — but the bottom of this trough was hit in 2006, and U.S. production surpassed historic highs around 2014.

The IEA made its bet, the Organization of the Petroleum Exporting Countries (OPEC) released its own forecast, setting the peak oil date sometime beyond at least 2050. Last month, OPEC followed up with a statement pointing out the IEA's own interests: "In recent years, the IEA has pushed for ideologically driven net-zero goals, ones that have often been accompanied by targets or timelines that lack a grasp of what meeting them truly involves."
https://nationalpost.com/opinion/jamie-sarkonak-of-course-steven-guilbeault-would-cling-to-the-myth-of-peak-oil

That leftie assclown that ran The Retard Farm was a big believer in Peak Oil. I forget how many people made fun of him for it, it was a fair few.

Certainly more than the amount of people that made fun of him on Election night 2016.  :crampe:

Quote from: . on May 26, 2025, 07:51:14 AMThat leftie assclown that ran The Retard Farm was a big believer in Peak Oil. I forget how many people made fun of him for it, it was a fair few.

Certainly more than the amount of people that made fun of him on Election night 2016.  :crampe:

In can't believe people are repeating that debunked claim. It's like saying COVID vaccines stopped the spread.

Quote from: . on May 26, 2025, 07:51:14 AMThat leftie assclown that ran The Retard Farm was a big believer in Peak Oil. I forget how many people made fun of him for it, it was a fair few.

Certainly more than the amount of people that made fun of him on Election night 2016.  :crampe:

Do you Third Rail?

First month of six coming to a close. So far, empty-handed.
There is no way they will agree to all 9, if they agree to any at all, and that's not good enough.
We are much better off on our own.
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First month of six coming to a close. So far, empty-handed.
There is no way they will agree to all 9, if they agree to any at all, and that's not good enough.
We're much better off on our own.
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Quote from: formosan on May 26, 2025, 11:49:13 AMDo you Third Rail?

The Retard Farm, yes. "Third Rail Forum" was kind of a wanky name for a forum that was supposed to be about political discussion, but which ended up degenerating into petty bickering and squabbles that were commonplace in its later years.

2016 election night was a classic case in point; the forum owner was feeling his oats and dropped a beautifully written screed analysing the reasons why Hillary Clinton was going to stomp Donald Trump into the mat. There were some pointed and rather pompous taunts in there against republican supporters... in short, he had this scrollbomb and couldn't wait to get it out and spend the evening dancing and cavorting about in front of The Fallen's dashed hopes and dreams.

Then Florida got called. This irked our leftie hero somewhat; he has to my understanding penned a number of highly regarded texts on the subject of US politics. But he doubled down, assuring us all that it was an aberation. "Merely a flesh wound" as they say in the classics.

Frood and another poster by the name of Hoot Gibson got to taunting our hero in return. Nothing really caustic mind you, but as further states were looking like going to The Evil One, our fearless and unflappable hero got increasingly miffed, petulant and yes... Mad as Fuck. How could he have gotten it so wrong that these peon right wingers piss all over his parade? Ultimately he banned Hoot, then Frood mere minutes later. I probably would have been numbered in among their exile too, only I was too busy following multiple streams of ashen faced reporters and trying very hard not to punch the air in glee myself.

I didn't know the depth of the guy's involvement in the political sphere at the time, that would come later when his RL picture was forwarded to me and a cursory check of the background informed me of exactly why he was fixing to blow a gasket over the affair. All I can tell you is that as much as his retarded behaviour was a source of amusement to the people watching him melt down over his forum, it was even more surreal to recognise the lofty station of the scalp that Frood and Hoot claimed that night... all with scarcely a flame delivered. Well, maybe some trolling was involved, but as was noted, our forum owning Hero had already baited the trap at the outset. And ended up roaring like TYT's Chunky Yoghurt when that trap went off on his big toe.

Frood could tell you more, no doubt.

Hoot and myself incrementally increased the high fives and laughter between ourselves on the board until we were told by Bra1n in no uncertain terms to stop and desist for we were molesting his sacred cow (Hillary), which we later found out Bra1n was a campaign volunteer for and probably not a low level one at that.

Quote from: Frood on May 29, 2025, 07:16:01 AMHoot and myself incrementally increased the high fives and laughter between ourselves on the board until we were told by Bra1n in no uncertain terms to stop and desist for we were molesting his sacred cow (Hillary), which we later found out Bra1n was a campaign volunteer for and probably not a low level one at that.

Oh fucking hell, it gets better - I missed that detail. A campaign volunteer for the Hillary Monster as well? Jeez, talk about a perfect storm!  :crampe:

I wonder who threw the bigger tantrum that night... Billary or TEH MOR0N.

I dont know which was better, Trumps 2016 win or 2024 win. Both have made the Bwa1ns of the world lose their shit!!!  :crampe:

Quote from: . on May 29, 2025, 04:30:07 AMThe Retard Farm, yes. "Third Rail Forum" was kind of a wanky name for a forum that was supposed to be about political discussion, but which ended up degenerating into petty bickering and squabbles that were commonplace in its later years.

2016 election night was a classic case in point; the forum owner was feeling his oats and dropped a beautifully written screed analysing the reasons why Hillary Clinton was going to stomp Donald Trump into the mat. There were some pointed and rather pompous taunts in there against republican supporters... in short, he had this scrollbomb and couldn't wait to get it out and spend the evening dancing and cavorting about in front of The Fallen's dashed hopes and dreams.

Then Florida got called. This irked our leftie hero somewhat; he has to my understanding penned a number of highly regarded texts on the subject of US politics. But he doubled down, assuring us all that it was an aberation. "Merely a flesh wound" as they say in the classics.

Frood and another poster by the name of Hoot Gibson got to taunting our hero in return. Nothing really caustic mind you, but as further states were looking like going to The Evil One, our fearless and unflappable hero got increasingly miffed, petulant and yes... Mad as Fuck. How could he have gotten it so wrong that these peon right wingers piss all over his parade? Ultimately he banned Hoot, then Frood mere minutes later. I probably would have been numbered in among their exile too, only I was too busy following multiple streams of ashen faced reporters and trying very hard not to punch the air in glee myself.

I didn't know the depth of the guy's involvement in the political sphere at the time, that would come later when his RL picture was forwarded to me and a cursory check of the background informed me of exactly why he was fixing to blow a gasket over the affair. All I can tell you is that as much as his retarded behaviour was a source of amusement to the people watching him melt down over his forum, it was even more surreal to recognise the lofty station of the scalp that Frood and Hoot claimed that night... all with scarcely a flame delivered. Well, maybe some trolling was involved, but as was noted, our forum owning Hero had already baited the trap at the outset. And ended up roaring like TYT's Chunky Yoghurt when that trap went off on his big toe.

Frood could tell you more, no doubt.

I would have liked to have been a witness to his meltdown. :s_laugh:

Quote from: . on May 29, 2025, 04:30:07 AMThe Retard Farm, yes. "Third Rail Forum" was kind of a wanky name for a forum that was supposed to be about political discussion, but which ended up degenerating into petty bickering and squabbles that were commonplace in its later years.

2016 election night was a classic case in point; the forum owner was feeling his oats and dropped a beautifully written screed analysing the reasons why Hillary Clinton was going to stomp Donald Trump into the mat. There were some pointed and rather pompous taunts in there against republican supporters... in short, he had this scrollbomb and couldn't wait to get it out and spend the evening dancing and cavorting about in front of The Fallen's dashed hopes and dreams.

Then Florida got called. This irked our leftie hero somewhat; he has to my understanding penned a number of highly regarded texts on the subject of US politics. But he doubled down, assuring us all that it was an aberation. "Merely a flesh wound" as they say in the classics.

Frood and another poster by the name of Hoot Gibson got to taunting our hero in return. Nothing really caustic mind you, but as further states were looking like going to The Evil One, our fearless and unflappable hero got increasingly miffed, petulant and yes... Mad as Fuck. How could he have gotten it so wrong that these peon right wingers piss all over his parade? Ultimately he banned Hoot, then Frood mere minutes later. I probably would have been numbered in among their exile too, only I was too busy following multiple streams of ashen faced reporters and trying very hard not to punch the air in glee myself.

I didn't know the depth of the guy's involvement in the political sphere at the time, that would come later when his RL picture was forwarded to me and a cursory check of the background informed me of exactly why he was fixing to blow a gasket over the affair. All I can tell you is that as much as his retarded behaviour was a source of amusement to the people watching him melt down over his forum, it was even more surreal to recognise the lofty station of the scalp that Frood and Hoot claimed that night... all with scarcely a flame delivered. Well, maybe some trolling was involved, but as was noted, our forum owning Hero had already baited the trap at the outset. And ended up roaring like TYT's Chunky Yoghurt when that trap went off on his big toe.

Frood could tell you more, no doubt.

I remember Lotusbud being super partisan......it's so silly.

Yeah, well I had been hoping Bernie would have secured the Democrat ticket, but had seen their shenanigans with the superdelegates handing the nominee to Hillary. Which I don't mind telling you digusted the crap out of me at the time, but right at the point Bernie bent the knee and endorsed Clinton... that was pretty much the point where I said "fuck that guy, he's a weak as piss." I wasn't impressed with how they went after Bernie supporters after the fact either... that was pretty much where I washed my hands of where the left had gone. I honestly thought Hillary was going to coast her way into the POTUS too; seeing Trump get up and kick her to the kerb did my heart good.

Remember too that Trump was effectively a business democrat and would donate to that party on the regular... to see them turn on one of their own and vilify him in the manner that they did was my wakeup call. I can easily map the deception and dirty politics I observed in the case of the US right back on to what Alberta and Saskatchewan receive at the hands of Canada's Liberals. I wouldn't back them in a fit either... and Justin and I had mutual friends. I say "had"... the truth is these were people who were close to the Trudeaus since Pierre was running the show and who ended up getting righteously fucked over by the son who their own children used to play with. A guy that will do that to his closest and longstanding associates... yeah, you cannot expect him to treat people he's never met as anything less than something he can screw over for his own political ends.

Likely as not to save his own neck I imagine; you probably heard about the $2.13 million settlement he paid out to make the allegations of a former female student of his go away. I've no direct knowledge of this mind you, but I imagine a certain biographer of George Soros leveraged Justin's pecadilloes and what it would mean for him politically if he didn't knuckle down and deliver Canada to the WEF on a silver platter. It wouldn't surprise me in the slightest, the globalist-minded sure as hell are no stranger to using and abusing children to further their political agenda.

Bernie eventually sold-out. All Democrats do or they are forced out of the party and become pariahs like Mr Kennedy and Ms Gabbard.

Bernie The loon never wanted to be POTUS. He's a coward and only enjoys being the opposition.

And yet he's out on the campaign trail right now for the third time running.... him and his donkey-toothed ratbag. Singing songs about taxing the billionaires... yeah, want to tell me how many houses that cunt owns? Last I heard it was three, maybe four... I don't rightly recall..

It doesn't greatly matter if he wants to be or doesn't want to be; he's proven himself a spineless turd (twice now) and is not fit to be POTUS. The one thing he ran on that I could get behind in 2016 - getting big money out of politics - is pretty much bullshit when you consider how many sheckels he collected in the intervening years of doing as he is bloody well told and getting well and truly cucked on the regular. Fuck that aging bint, he needs to pull his foreskin over his head and vanish up his dick.

Albertans asked for this in a clear referendum...It was ignored...
It's time for full Alberta independence and to end this giant Ponzi scheme for good.
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The real question echoing across the Prairies is not "Why would Alberta leave?" but "Why on earth would it stay?"

We are ceaselessly told, with the smug assurance of Central Canadian punditry, that Alberta is "stronger within Canada." This is the lullaby Ottawa sings to keep the West docile while siphoning its wealth and ridiculing its lifeblood industries.

Let us say it plainly, even if it unsettles polite company: Alberta does not need Canada.

It has the resources. It has the people. It has the vision. What it needs is the resolve to break the chains of a federation that has too often treated it as a colony, not a partner.

Let the rest of Canada talk of unity. Out here, we must begin to talk of dignity. For if fairness cannot be found within the federation, then Alberta must find it elsewhere.

The sun does not rise only in the East. It rises over Alberta too. And perhaps, just perhaps, it's time for us to rise with it.
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Here is an article written by Rick Bell of Postmedia about what Ontarians and Quebeckers think about Albertans. The ignorance here is shocking.

Ontario, Quebec feel Albertans are loud whiners over nothing
A just-released poll shows us many in Ontario and Quebec and Atlantic Canada don't have a clue why Alberta and others in the West have had enough with Ottawa

The Angus Reid poll confirms the steady rat-a-tat-tat of emails fired into my inbox whenever the idea of Alberta being screwed around by the Liberal government in Ottawa comes up.

The incoming abuse almost always is from Ontario, the self-proclaimed centre of the universe.

There are a few missiles shot from Quebec, often the favoured ones in this country called Canada.

Like...

Albertans you make me sick. You've got your stupid oil. Why don't you just shut the hell up?

What don't you just leave Canada if you don't like the way things are run here?

Alberta whiners, you're all the bunch of redneck losers.

We built you a pipeline, what more do you want?

Alberta Premier Danielle Smith? They loathe her.

You get the idea. Then there's the poll.

People are asked if they believe western Canada, of which Alberta is a big slice of that pie, complains too much.

The majority in Ontario say yes. Too much bellyaching out west.

The majority in Quebec agree. As do the Atlantic provinces.

And in the last six years, the number who believe the complaining has gone too far has grown.

My guess is if Angus Reid pollsters had only asked about Alberta complaining, and not lumped the province in with the other western provinces, those saying there is too much complaining out here would be even higher.

When Albertans are asked about the West's political power, three out of four Albertans say the West has too little power.

Ontario, Quebec and down east feel we have just about the right amount of political power, which is almost squat.

As for the West's economic influence, that's a big question in Alberta since this province gives Canada more than it gets and receives more contempt than respect in return.

Of course, Albertans believe the West has too little economic influence but, you guessed it, Ontario and Quebec and the Atlantic provinces think the West's economic influence is just fine the way it is.

It really is stunning.

Folks in Ontario, especially, think the Parliament of Canada treats their province fairly. No kidding.

A very different story in Alberta. The majority don't think we are treated fairly by the politicians in Ottawa. Also no kidding.

Most individuals in Ontario, Quebec and the Atlantic provinces figure we have the amount of influence in this country we should have and we are being treated fairly by the rest of Canada.

When Albertans complain it is seen as whining by people who don't see a problem or don't want to see one.

And that is why it is a fight for Alberta to get any agreement on what should be a simple matter, like deep-sixing Liberal anti-oil policies hurting the country and making Canada more dependent on the U.S.

And that is why there is frustration and there is anger and more than a few Albertans are losing faith or have lost faith in Canada.

PRESTON MANNING: 62% OF ONTARIANS BELIEVE A LIE  — HOW CAN THIS BE? 

"A recent poll by Pollara found that 62% of Ontarians believe Premier Danielle Smith of Alberta is a separatist. The truth is that Premier Smith — whom I've know personally for a long time — is not a separatist and has made that clear on numerous occasions to the public, the media, and anyone who asks her.

"So how is it that 62% of Ontarians believe such an untruth? The first reason is ignorance — ignorance particularly of anything political that is happening west of Kenora. The second reason is indifference — indifference that precludes making any effort to find out what is happening politically west of Kenora. And the third and greatest reason is misinformation — not so much misinformation transmitted via the social media because it is especially older Ontarians who believe the lie about Smith — but misinformation fed into the minds of Ontarians via the traditional media.

"Misinformation on western politics propagated by the CBC of course — rumored to soon be renamed the Carney Broadcasting Company in appreciation for the $150 million bribe offered by the PM to the state broadcasting company during the recent election campaign — but also misinformation propagated by CTV and Global. And misinformation about western politics also propagated — inadvertently or deliberately — by the Toronto based, legacy print media.

"What has particularly fueled the misinformation about Smith being a separatist is the fact that she is also a democrat. So, when a significant number of Albertans have expressed interest and even support for the secession option, Premier Smith has not attempted to censure or suppress it as adherents to the anti-democratic cancel culture philosophy would insist. Instead, as Alberta laws facilitate, she has supported the use of a referendum mechanism to determine the will of Albertans on secession — which I repeat, she opposes as do a majority of Albertans.

"But, notwithstanding the vast intellectual and technological resources of the mainstream media, apparently it has been too difficult to inform their viewers and readers on the difference between a democrat allowing a vote on secession and a separatist in favor of that option. Hence 62% of Ontarians mistakenly believe the lie that Premier Smith is a separatist.

"But then again, perhaps not surprising. Just earlier this week, the Premier of Ontario declared that he believes in Santa Clause and likened the Carney government with its sleigh of taxpayer financed goodies to jolly old Saint Nick.

"Dear Doug Ford: There is no Santa Claus, and Dear Ontarians, there is no separatist Premier in Alberta."

That hand sanitizer addicted Chug Eddie is right about the unfair treatment my province and Alberta get from Ottawa.
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Quote from: Herman on June 12, 2025, 03:37:20 PMThat hand sanitizer addicted Chug Eddie is right about the unfair treatment my province and Alberta get from Ottawa.
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Sounds like cause to secede!!!!

Quote from: Lokmar on June 12, 2025, 04:26:55 PMSounds like cause to secede!!!!

That is only a small part of how the prairies get the shaft from Canada. We are out.

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